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"I don't want to be pushy." But sometimes overcompensating to be "nice" will LOSE you sales. How can sell effectively WITHOUT being pushy? Try this.

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I don't wanna be pushy.

I hear this a lot and there's a very
big difference between being pushy.

And persistent.

And what we're gonna do in today's video
is break down the difference between

being pushy and being persistent to
help people like you who may identify

with these following statements.

I am someone who doesn't want to be pushy.

I am someone that doesn't want
to be an aggressive salesperson.

I am someone that wants to be
different than the other people

that the homeowner is experiencing
who are feeling forced or pushed in

an aggressive way towards a sale.

And I do not want to do any of that.

So instead, Dead.

I win business through providing
quality service because I don't

wanna be pushy, but there are times
that I lose deals because people

say, I wanna get three estimates.

The other person can do it cheaper.

They wanna shop around and
we end up leaving the house

after giving amazing service.

Service cuz we don't want to be
pushy and we end up shifting into

nice guy mode or nice gal mode.

We bust out the business card and we're
like, oh, thanks so much for having me.

You know, if anything comes up, uh,
anytime day or night, you can call me.

This is my cell phone number.

Pride ourselves on great service
and I'd love to earn your business.

And you think to yourself, if I
just deliver amazing service and I'm

not pushy, then when my homeowners
are comparing contractor one, two,

and three, they view me as the nice
guy and they're like, he was great.

I'm gonna choose him.

But then you end up getting ghosted.

If that's happened to you and you
wanna close more deals without being

pushy, then this video is for you,
because I'm gonna break down the three

big differences between being pushy
and being persistent to help change

your mindset and give you some tactics
to use so you can, again, close more

deals without being pushy or sleazy.

Or anything like that.

Now let's get to it.

Uh, first quick, welcome, welcome back,
Adam Bessman here, the roof strategist,

and everything that I do here on this
channel is designed to help you or your

team smash your income goal and give
every customer an amazing experience.

In order to help do that, we
need to create a way of serving

our customers again, without.

Feel, having them feel like they're
being forced into a decision.

And the reason that I did this video
today is because I'm running a training

for a very, very large retail company.

They actually just sold recently.

And their team has a really big
resistance to feeling like they're

being pushy and they, the, the tactics
that they've learned have not given

them the empowerment to stay in that
house because they don't want to come

across as being pushy and as a result,
They're losing deals to competitors

for a lot of common objections.

So, thank you team.

You know who you are for
inspiring this video, and we're

gonna get to the bottom of this.

So first, let's break down.

What is pushy?

Pushy is selling, not providing.

Okay.

Providing is being persistent.

Selling is being pushy.

Now, I mentioned a quote in a recent
Instagram reel from, uh, Todd Duncan,

his book called, uh, the Honest Selling
System, excuse me, truth-Based Selling.

My apologies, I'm mixing that one up.

Truth-Based Selling.

And he says, the key to
selling is not selling.

It is providing, the key to
providing is knowing what to provide.

So the difference here, If we think of the
difference between selling and providing.

Thank you Todd Duncan, by the way,
for inspiring this, is that when

we sell, this is what many roofing
salespeople do you get in the house.

Here's your word for word script,
follow the entire thing and cram

this down the homeowner's throat,
and hopefully they'll buy from you

and there's no deviation whatsoever.

That's selling where?

Here's another example.

Have you ever gotten to
the end of an appointment?

Let's say it's retail and you're
doing your whole spiel and the

homeowner says, thanks for coming out.

We actually just need an estimate cuz
we're putting the house on the market.

And then you find out that it's like the
cheapest roof that they're looking for.

Or at the end of the appointment
they say, Hey, thanks for coming out.

You know what?

We just need to get a few estimates
cuz we know that we have to replace

our roof in five to seven years.

So we're just planning ahead financially.

And you're like, Ugh.

So what you ended up doing
was selling the entire time.

And not providing.

Where in my sales system
there's info below.

By the way, it's called
my Car Park Formula.

We.

Assess where the customer's at by
understanding where they are at in the

process, whether it's storm or retail.

And by the way, for my storm friends out
there listening, one of the symptoms of

selling and not providing is when you
do your whole pitch and the homeowner

says, well, thanks for coming out.

We actually already had
the insurance company out.

We're just looking for estimates,
and you just sat there and sold

this whole time, as opposed to
providing them helpful information.

So a key tip on the difference,
again, pushy is selling and being

persistent is providing, and it
takes patience to be persistent.

I'm gonna repeat that.

It takes patience to be persistent
where we slow down and we wanna

ask more questions so we can
provide the right information.

All right.

Number two, being pushy is
forcing and not asking example.

And we're gonna piggyback off of,
uh, tip number one, which is selling

versus providing is that if in, in a.

FORCEFUL or pushy sale.

This is where the salesperson is
trying to make a decision on the

behalf of someone else or convince
them to make that decision by being,

I'm just gonna say superficial, right?

We've best product, best service.

You know, if we get this going
to today, you can go, what's

gonna stop you from buying today?

Here, here, here.

And that's forcing.

Versus asking questions.

So if you're at the end of an
appointment and you got rejected

and the homeowner says, thanks for
coming out, we'll call you in a few

days if we're interested, right?

That forcefulness would be
like, well, what's it gonna take

to earn your business today?

That's forceful and pressure where
again, there's a time and a place for

pressure, uh, when it's appropriate.

But this is not that time
or place in my opinion.

Now, the difference again, from
being forceful is to then ask

questions like, Hey, I understand.

Share with me.

How will you and your
wife make a decision?

What's the most important thing to you?

What is it you'd like to think about?

So I can leave you with
the right information.

These are asking more questions
to discover more of their

needs so we can address them.

So instead of at the end of
the appointment, if you hear,

thanks for coming out, we're
gonna get another estimate.

Thanks for coming out.

Uh, your estimate was too high.

Instead of forcing and trying to sell the
value, which again, we're combining tips.

One and two is selling versus
providing and forcing versus asking.

We'd be saying, we're the best.

We're the best.

We're the best you need to buy today.

Versus instead just turning to ask
questions and you can ask things again.

What is it you'd like to think about so I
can leave you with the right information?

How will you and your
wife make a decision?

What's your biggest concern?

What's the most important thing to you?

When we ask those questions,
we're gonna get to the root of it

and we can keep asking questions
like, what else, what else?

And when we finally get them to get
that homeowner to share all their

information, we can address it.

That is, again, providing the
right information versus selling.

And I do believe that if, if you believe
that you're the best person to earn

that business, and you believe that
you're selling with a company who's

gonna stand behind it, do a great
job and take care of that customer

for the long run than it is our job.

To ask lots of questions, being patient
and to provide as much information to help

them make that decision of choosing you.

If you do believe in your heart
of hearts, you're the best

person to earn that business.

Okay, so we've got tip number
one, being pushy is selling.

Being persistent is providing
Tip number two, selling.

And being pushy, excuse me.

Being a pushy salesperson is forcing
versus being a persistent salesperson.

We spend time asking.

And then the third bullet is the, in
my opinion, very dated philosophy of

closing close, hard, close, early, close.

Often in my system, for example, I
don't teach to ask for the business

until it's appropriate because,
The way I've experienced sales from

coaching sales teams, training tens of
thousands and auditing sales not only

for roofing companies, but for high
ticket sales all across the world.

When I was a direct response copywriter
and consultant, I would find that people

that would try to close prematurely
would not only get nos, they would get.

A hard no with the door closed
behind them because it felt pushy.

Meaning, if someone's going in to teach
you close, early, close, hard, close,

often if someone still has questions,
they're gonna say no and feel pressure.

So we need to get to a point
where we know it's appropriate

to ask for those next steps.

If you do it prematurely, your chance
of getting a no is much higher and the

chance of no feeling pressured, they
get like, like a cat in the in their

corner and they're done with you.

So that close, hard,
close, early, close often.

And again, at the end of the appointment,
just going in to close, close, close,

that's being pushy where on the side
of being persistent, it's learning

how to continue the sales dialogue
so that way at the appropriate

time, you can go back into close.

I wanna break this down.

Close hard, close early, close often
that's pushy, persistent is learning

how to continue and we're tying.

These three tips together where
we're asking questions and

providing helpful information by
continuing the dialogue either.

Then hopefully then, if not on a follow-up
visit, that's continuing again, that

homeowner doesn't wanna work with you.

Si, excuse me, doesn't
wanna sign that deal.

Today we get as far as we can by
asking questions and providing help

and continuing the conversation.

And then we focus on continuing by
getting the follow up appointment set to

come back and review everything with the
homeowner by making it all about them.

I'll be the question punching bag.

I'll answer all the questions
that you might have, review

everything side by side.

When is a good time for me to come back so
we can continue, uh, the process of making

a decision on the, the roofer for you.

And again, that's continuing the sales.

And by the way, continuing
and progressing.

That's the other key
pieces and progressing.

That would be not being pushy,
that's being persistent.

If they reject you, just say,
Hey, let's stick to a phone call.

But now we are continuing and progressing
the sale, and this is the big mindset

shift that I hope I've helped you make,
is to go from selling to providing, to

go from forcing to asking, and to go from
closing too hard, too early and too often.

To continuing and progressing
the sale through persistence.

So at the appropriate time we
can then close the deal and walk

out with that deal, but most
importantly, a happy customer.

Cause at the end of the day, that's what
it's all about, helping you and your

team smash your income goal and give
every customer an amazing experience.

So I'd love to hear from you, what
do you believe to be the difference

between being pushy and persistent?

Drop a comment and share it with me.

I'd love to hear.

All right, that's all for this video.

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