Every Thursday evening at 8pm the Crew of 146.985 W3GMS/R get together on air to host a weekly informal net with varying hosts and topics
Good evening and welcome to the 985 roundtable. My name is Bill and I'm located in the shop here in Oxford tonight. I'll be your host for tonight's roundtable. We meet here every Thursday evening at 8pm on the W3GMS Parksburg repeater 146.985 megahertz.
The PL tone is 100 hertz and for tone squelch you'll receive 94.8 hertz. We encourage you to take a look at the repeater website located at www.w3gmsrepeater.com. Besides the roundtable, this repeater hosts the 985 workbench on Monday evenings at 8pm. The workbench focuses on answering technical questions as well as exploring topics related to setting up and operating your station.
And I believe this coming Monday night your host will be Harvey KC3NZT. Newcomers are very welcome and encouraged to check in. If you can't stay long, feel free to call in during the short time check-ins at the beginning of the roundtable.
Our discussions are informal, passing the mic around in the order in which stations call in. So I encourage you to note who checks in right after you so you will be able to turn the mic over to that station when you finish your comments.
We usually begin with a question as a discussion starter. You can answer that if you wish and comment about other subjects as well. If you have any suggestions or questions about the roundtable, contact Phil, KC3CIB, or Jim, AF3Z. Both are good on qrz.com.
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In the pre-ramble, we normally give the question now. But I'm going to wait and take the short-time check-ins, and then we'll give the question.
We'll now start short-time check-ins. Short-time digital stations using Echolink or AllStar.
I will leave a long pause to make it easy for you to check-in. Digital stations, please call now.
This is KC3, SCY. Kilo Charlie 3, Sierra Charlie Yankee.
I've got you, Luke. Are there any other digital stations for the short-time list? Please call.
Okay. Well, we left a good long pause there. So now let's take the short-time RF check-ins. Short-time RF or other digital stations. Please call now.
Okay. Well, I know I'm being heard because Luke responded to me. So we'll make one last call, then I'm going to get the question. Any other short-time check-ins, please call now.
Okay.
Okay. Well, with that, Luke, you are it. You're heading it off, and you're the tail gunner for the short time. So we do have a question tonight, and it is, tell us about something you have built. And I stress about, just don't tell us what you built. Tell us about something you built.
And that doesn't have to be bricks or mortar. It could be a woodworking project. It could be a car. It could be an organization or a nonprofit. It could be anything that you have built. Anyway, at all. But just tell us about it. So with that, we'll turn it over to you, Luke. And I know you probably have a lot of things to pick from. So KC3, SCY. This is KC3, OOK.
Alright, Bill. Thanks for hosting. Something that I built, I'd probably go with my 1929 TNT transmitter. And that's a pretty fun building. And I used that on the AWA Bruce Kelly event, which is coming up in less than a month.
Less than a month. So it's going to be fun to operate. That's the only CW radio, though. You can modulate it if you build a modulator for it. So I build a bunch of other stuff. We're currently working on building a riser for my desk.
But that's not finished yet. It's getting pretty close. So anyways, Joe, if you're listening, congrats on getting up your tower. It looks good. It's in the picture from the email.
So I don't have too much else to add, so I'll turn it back to you, Bill. If I didn't already say, thanks for hosting. This is KC3, SCY.
Well, thank you, Luke. It's good to hear you. And yeah, Luke, I'd already written down the 1929 TNT. I sometimes try and guess. So very good on that. And I know that Bruce Kelly is coming up. And CW, but your CW proficiency is going way up. So I know you're going to have a lot of fun with that. And I know you've got the riser in progress. And you'll be getting to that again, I guess, pretty shortly.
So it's good to hear you tonight, Luke. And I'll just say now, we look forward to hearing you next Thursday night when you host the roundtable. So with that, we'll go ahead and take check-ins, regular check-ins for folks who can stick around longer. And again, we'll start with Echo Link or All Star stations only, digital stations only for the regular list. Please call now. This is KC3-0-OK.
W1RC in Marblehead, Massachusetts. Good evening. No traffic.
Whiskey 8, Charlie Romeo Whiskey, CR.
One more call for the regular list for digital stations, Echo Link or All Star. Please call now.
Great. Well, nothing heard. Well, RS check-ins or other digital stations. And space them out. Thanks.
WA3 VEE Whiskey Alpha 3, Victor Echo Echo.
WA3 King Fox Tango, WA3 KFT.
W3AB3AP, Mike in Avondale.
W3GMS.
NA3CW.
KC3SQI.
Alright, well I'll go through the list as I have it and then we'll make one more call, see if anybody else is out there. So we start off with W1RC, Mr. Mike, WCRW, WA3VEE, WA3KFT, AB3AP, W3GMS, NA3CW, and KC3SQI. Are there any other stations? And so, go ahead and call now.
*Burps*
Last station, I had all noise. I don't know if anybody else could copy that on input. I don't know if that was you, John.
KD-3EE. Try one more time again.
KC-1-3EE.
Only copied a kilo. Can anyone else help me there?
I got a SWA-3-VEE. I got a KC-1, believe it or not. So I'm not sure if that's one of Mr. Mike's buddies up there who's getting in on a very weak all-star echo link or not.
But that's all I got. Go ahead.
Well, thank you, Ron. Thank you. I only got the kilo. So the kilo Charlie-1, if you can hear us, we'll try and pick you up again at the end of the first round and see if you can make any corrections and get in. So, I'm going to make one last call. Anyone else wants to get in before we start, please call now.
Hey, Bill. This is Phil. This is Phil. KC-3-CIB. Just got home. Please mark me down. This is in and out. 7-3.
Thanks, Phil. We got you.
Thanks, Phil. We got you. Thanks for checking in. Have a great night. I'm sure you'll probably be monitoring.
Hey Bill, this is Phil, KC3 CIB. Just got home, please mark me down, it's in and out, 73.
Thanks Phil, we got you. Thanks for checking in, have a great night. I'm sure you'll probably
be monitoring, so we'll recognize KC3 CIB in and out. So here's the list as we have it. W1RC, WACRW, WA3VEE, WA3KFT, AB3AP, W3GMS, NA3CW, KC3SQI, and KC3 CIB in and out. So we'll turn it up to you Mr. Mike.
And our question tonight is, tell us about something you have built and tell us about it. So, W1RC, KC3OOK.
Oh, KC3OOK. And the W3GMS985 roundtable. This is W1RC. Well, let's see, what have I built? Lately? Hmm. Well, what have I built?
Lately? Hmm. Well, what have I built? Well, I can't really think of anything I've built lately, but I have built stuff in the past, of course.
And I'm trying to think of something that I could use as an example. And I can't really think of anything right now. I just got home. I had a very long day today. And I'm really, really crapped out. So you'll forgive me, I hope. Guys and gals. But I'm not really with it tonight. I just walked in the door. And left the house at 6 o'clock this morning.
And I had a gig for a couple of days. A very interesting one. I was on a mock jury, which is an interesting thing in itself.
And it pays very well. It's only for two days. And you pretend that you're a jury and the lawyers do the case and everything. And then you and your jury mates reach a verdict. And it's a long story. But I'm tired. I've had it. So with all due respect, I'm going to just sit this one out tonight.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Very good. Thanks for taking the chair, Bill. Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what can I talk about that's not too boring. Let's see.
On my latest vehicle, I was looking to mount a 2-meter, 70-centimeter antenna. And I tried a glass mount. And it was not satisfactory at all. And it's still on the vehicle, but I don't use it.
And I'm online just cruising around looking at different things. And I see this antenna mast that a guy had put on his truck. So I looked at that and I said, you know, maybe I can adapt that to my vehicle.
So after a lot of trials and tribulations, that's what I did. I built a mast for my 2-meter, 70-centimeter antenna.
It gets the antenna up in the air. And it works great. With that, let's go to Ron. WA3VEE, WHCRW.
Thank you very much, CR. I hope to see you tomorrow at the breakfast, as well as everyone else. Very good. And I'll start off by saying, Bill, great to hear you tonight. Thanks for doing the net control ops. I can't wait to hear your list.
I wonder what you're going to pick. I'm dying with curiosity here. But this would be good. Hopefully, you'll be able to make it to the breakfast tomorrow morning also. It'd be great to see you and congratulate you and Chuck in person, along with Joe, on the great, great tower work, for sure.
Okay. My goodness. I don't know where to start. Well, actually, I do. I've built many, many, many things, of course. A lot of wood stuff over the years and recently.
And in progress, too, as well. But the one I want to talk about here is actually pictured on QRZ. And it is the console, part of the console I'm actually sitting at right now.
One long, Bill, you asked a very dangerous question. You said, talk about it. I'll make this brief, I promise. I'll keep it to less than three hours.
One Sunday night, one rainy Sunday night, my good friend, lifelong friend, Alex, KC3WEK, who's never been on the air because he's had real medical issues and strokes and everything else.
But when we were late teenagers, 19 years old, 19-ish and so on, he got very frustrated with me trying to put two pieces of wood together.
In my parents' basement, he lived right down the street. This is down in a little development called Ashley Heights, very near Newport, Delaware, next to Banning Park, Middleboro Manor, that kind of thing.
Anyway, he said, look, let me show you how to build a base for a bookcase. Bill, you're going to love this story.
So bottom line is that he showed me how to do joinery that very night. And the wood I was trying to put together is exactly what's pictured in a section on the QRZ page called one of the early WA3 VEE stations.
And it was, he called it Philippine mahogany. Well, it's not really mahogany. It's really Luan or Marante.
And it looks kind of like mahogany, but not quite. But it is a very, very fine wood, and at least in my application.
And it worked very well in building a kind of like a wide bookcase that held a lot of my radios that you will see on QRZ.
And that was the basis for my woodworking, and I never looked back. There are many, there are several bookcases which are in the other room, which were built in 1978.
And they are still hale and hearty today. And I've been making bookcases and bases for cabinets almost pretty much the same way, with very fine joinery, using calipers, believe it or not, to get the depth right for the dados and the rabbits and things like that.
So that was the very first start of woodworking for me. And I've built, oh, I don't know, literally probably hundreds of things since then, I'm quite sure.
From clocks to Grand Library upstairs, to this actual station, and so on. And one last thought on this.
I thought I heard snoring, which I wouldn't be surprised. Anyway,
I'm sitting at a table that has a one inch wide band around it of this so-called Philippine mahogany, basically Luan.
And there's molding. It has an inset, a sunken inset of black formica, or the plastic laminate, that's a trade name.
And to melt the two together, there is homemade molding, made out of the same Luan material.
That was the very first molding I ever made.
And I should have kept the really rickety, very much rickety, almost a toy router table that I used.
It was a Sears special.
And they had Sears best, and I think this was Sears worst.
But in any event, that's one of the very first things radio-related that I built.
And it's been really fun melding electronics and woodworking together all of these years.
So, John, tell us about the shack you built, or something else.
WA3VEE. WA3VEE. WA3KFT.
Well, you hit the nail on the head.
Yeah, I built a shack. It's in the backyard. Most people call it a shed.
I couldn't resist that one, Rod.
12 by 12!
And 8-foot walls.
8-foot walls because plywood comes 4 by 8.
So, I did a little bit of thinking ahead of time and plotted things out.
And didn't waste very much lumber getting that shed built.
Holds the lawnmower and garden tools and lots of other stuff.
Table saw and what have you.
But, in terms of electronics, the first thing I built was a crystal set.
I guess I was in Cub Scouts when that happened.
Early Boy Scouts.
And the next offshoot from that was a two-tube regenerative receiver that used plug-in coils.
And it came with two coils.
One was a standard broadcast coil and the other one was a shortwave coil.
And that shortwave coil covered the 40-meter band.
We are talking early 1950s.
So, at that time, amateur radio bands were predominantly CW and amplitude modulation.
And this particular radio was a regenerative receiver.
So, if you...
The regen control, if you turned it up too far, it would squeal at you.
If you put it up just about right, it was perfect for copying Morse code.
And it had no difficulty at all demodulating amplitude modulation.
Many years later, I traded it away so I don't have it anymore.
But, uh, uh, I had a problem with that radio.
It quit working.
And I had no test equipment whatsoever.
So, studying the Allied radio catalog, there was a thing in there called an RC bridge.
An RC tester.
An RC tester.
And I thought, well, wait a minute.
All I have is two tubes.
But I got a lot of resistors and capacitors underneath that chassis.
So, my second kit was the RC tester.
To this day, I still have it.
And occasionally use it.
And, uh, I started poking around and things looked good and looked good.
And there was one electrolytic capacitor in there.
And when I tested it, it was bad.
So, I mail ordered it from Allied radio.
And remember, the whole entire order was 68 cents.
And I got it in a padded envelope.
Installed it.
Fixed the radio.
So, early troubleshooting.
And still, at that point, did not have a multimeter of any kind.
That came many years later.
Over to you, Mike.
AB3AP.
WA3KFT.
WA3KFT.
AB3AP.
Thanks, John.
And that reminds me,
even though, as I think many of you know,
I've retired in December,
I'm still going into work two days a week.
And we turned on the vector signal generator
and heard a pop
and smelled burning popcorn,
or maybe a little worse than that.
Opened it up and saw
a very blackened and
bursted capacitor.
So, I know what you went through.
I think for me,
the first radio-oriented thing,
substantial thing,
that I did was a kit.
Not the same as suffering through
calculating a bias transistor
or a coupling capacitor,
but, you know,
still it has its own challenges.
I built an Elecraft K2,
and it took several weeks.
And I still remember
that, uh,
some of you might know the band
Twisted Sister.
The lead singer,
Dee Snider,
was a DJ
on a local station.
I think it was WMMR,
but I wouldn't swear to it.
Could have been WMGK.
And, uh,
so for weeks on end,
I remember listening to him DJing
while I was soldering away,
and Elecraft does a very nice job
of, you know,
you build a certain portion,
and then some of what you build
are components to test,
uh, the, uh,
the sub-system
that you've just completed.
So it was a lot of fun,
and it was the next thing to magic
to finally, uh,
power it up
and start talking
to people around the country,
around the world.
And, um,
yeah, I, I know I had another comment.
If it comes back to me,
I will share it next go-round.
But for now,
uh, over to you, Joe.
W-3 GMS,
AB-3 AP,
and congrats on the new tower.
Mike, W-3 GMS,
coming in from the kitchen
where I'm sorting,
sorting paperwork,
my favorite pastime.
Uh, thank you, Mike.
It was a lot of work,
uh, a lot of contributions
from great friends,
and overall,
it's done,
it's up,
it's looking fantastic,
as my friend Steve,
W-A-8 U-E-G,
would say.
And, uh,
it exceeded all expectations.
So anyway, uh,
Bill,
thanks for, uh,
sitting in the captain's chair today,
this evening.
Great question.
And, uh,
I could go down a long list,
but I am not going to do that.
I'm just going to talk very quickly
about two things
that I built.
Um,
well, three.
The first one,
I was seven years old,
and I tried to build a 6V6
crystal oscillator transmitter
with a tank coil
wound on a toilet paper roll.
And,
believe it or not,
it didn't work.
I,
at six years old,
I didn't know the difference
between the resistors
and things like that,
and I saw a picture in a book.
So I remember salvaging
old TV sets,
and I just put components
where they look like,
that look like the picture.
And, uh,
this,
that,
and the other.
That was a failure.
But, uh,
got me out of the gate.
Um,
my first amateur receiver
that I built,
or when I got my novice license,
was a Heathkit GR64.
I was,
I guess,
13 at the time,
because I got my ticket
when I was 14.
So I was 13,
and I had a blast
putting together the GR64.
And you can all look up
the GR64 on the internet.
A very minimalistic,
uh, receiver.
But,
it allowed me to work
enough 80 meters
CW contacts
to get my code speed
up to about 15,
16 words a minute.
So I could,
uh,
go down and take the big G,
the big general test,
in front of the FCC.
And at that time,
with the general,
you had 100% all privileges.
So that was a very,
uh,
very big day.
And lastly,
um,
uh,
my,
when I met my mentor,
after I had my ham ticket,
he was an audio nut.
And I am an audio nut.
audio nut.
And,
he had this audio console mixer
that he built.
And I just Googled,
and Googled,
and Googled over this thing.
And he says,
well,
I'm going to show you
how to make one.
He didn't do it for me,
but he taught me
how to do it.
So I had a six channel audio mixer,
uh,
with bass and treble controls,
RIAA equalization.
And for those that don't know
what RIAA equalization is,
it's phonograph equalizations.
and I had a,
uh,
an AB equalizer for tape playback.
And it was quite the machine.
I couldn't afford a really good VU meter,
uh,
like my mentor had.
But I bought one from Lafayette Radio.
It was a Calrad,
C-A-L-R-I-D,
imported meter.
And I still have that mixer to this day.
And maybe I'll bring it to one of the breakfasts sometime.
So,
that's it for me.
I could go on,
but it would be,
uh,
crazy with a big group to,
uh,
go down the list of everything we all built,
um,
and our,
uh,
in our lives.
So,
NA3CW.
So how's it feel to have the tower off your back?
W3GMS.
Sometimes literally.
A tower?
What tower?
Um,
NA3CW.
Yeah,
I've got a lot of heavy lifting on that thing.
I really got tired of carrying that,
several sections of that tower around the yard.
I know Bill did.
So we're,
uh,
finally done carrying it around.
So it's,
uh,
a beautiful thing.
Sitting up there,
aiming straight up.
And it's straight too,
boy,
I'll tell you.
Anyway.
Uh,
yeah,
as a design engineer,
I built a bunch of stuff.
Um,
and a fair bit of it,
um,
relatively lately,
um,
when I discovered,
um,
that I could get PC boards for next to nothing from China.
Well,
courtesy of,
uh,
somebody's tariffs,
um,
that's over until he goes away.
Because now the minimum is like a hundred bucks,
where it used to be five.
So,
I'm not going to run out of the PC board business for a while.
And a U.S. vendor is five to ten to a hundred times more expensive,
depending on which one you look at.
But,
I will have,
uh,
I have one story.
Um,
my first,
what I call,
major design,
product design.
I was just,
I don't know,
uh,
a year and a half,
two years out of school.
I was at SidoBond Ultrasonics.
We made ultrasonic welding machines.
And we used these,
uh,
oscillator amplifier,
um,
called,
they called them power supplies,
power sources for ultrasonic transducers that did plastic welding and metal welding.
And the ones that we were,
were using,
uh,
the power amplifiers came from this place called ENI,
uh,
electronic navigation industries.
And it was a big transistor linear amplifier that would put out 1200 watts.
And we kept getting them in,
in-house,
uh,
from the manufacturer.
And we would integrate them in a cabinet and put an oscillator and some metering and stuff with it.
And sell that as a product to go along to power the ultrasonic welder.
And it had,
uh,
can be machine control logic and stuff in it.
Well,
we got several,
um,
kind of in a bad batch where they were just literally blowing up on incoming QA.
And my boss came in and he said,
you know,
in,
in our,
in our uproar.
And he says,
can you design something like this?
And I said,
yep,
I can.
knowing full well,
I had no idea how to start.
And he stormed out of the room and said,
do it.
Okay.
So that was at the,
uh,
kind of the birthing end of switch mode power supply technology.
When,
um,
high power,
fast,
power,
fast power transistors were few and far between.
And so my,
and I had never even seen a switch mode power supply up to that point,
much less a schematic for one.
But I figured,
okay,
I'm going to make me a,
you know,
our competitors are doing it.
I'm going to make me a 1200 watt switch mode power supply.
They put out 20 kilohertz AC with phase lock loop feedback so that it would tune itself to whatever transducer you plugged into it.
So I had this,
I had this cold little lab in the back of the building.
I was the only double E in the place at that time.
Cause the,
uh,
there were two when I got hired,
one got fired.
basically the minute I set foot in the door and the other one left six months later.
So here I am,
you know,
just green as,
as lettuce coming out of school.
And so I got,
this is my first big design.
So I,
I built this thing.
I wound the transformers,
um,
drilled the holes,
painted the paint,
dealt,
did the whole thing from soup to nuts,
and fired up this breadboard with my handy dandy 1200 watt switch mode amplifier that would put out 20 kilohertz sine waves.
Um,
however,
I failed to notice that the dummy load,
which was,
um,
a stack of Calrod heaters,
that are,
you know,
same thing that you would eat a water heater with or a stove or whatever.
They were,
weren't wired for the 50 ohms,
but they were wired for 25 ohms.
So,
when I cranked this thing up,
I noticed it was pulling a lot of current,
and that loop,
it looked kind of heavy duty on the scope,
but it was working.
And after a while,
I started smelling something burning.
And I looked,
and the wall was being singed by these,
these,
uh,
Calrod heaters that were glowing red.
They weren't supposed to be at that point.
And,
lo and behold,
that thing had been putting out 2500 watts when I designed it for 1200.
So I'm leg.
Wee hoo!
So I go running out,
you know,
open the door,
and I go running out into the shop to announce my triumph.
And the place was completely dark.
Everybody had gone home,
and I was there by myself,
enjoying my,
uh,
the smoke that I just raised from,
uh,
burning the paint on the wall.
So that's my story.
Over to,
let's see,
Wayne,
KC3SQI,
and A3CW.
Okay,
thank you,
Chuck,
and thank you,
Bill,
for taking that tonight.
And congratulations,
Joe,
on, uh,
having a new tower up.
Well,
mine was, uh,
a fairly simple design.
Uh,
it was my first electronics class
in high school.
And we had a,
uh,
new shop teacher
who had done a little bit of electronic stuff.
So,
he decided to teach electronics also as part of shop.
Well,
that was great.
So,
this was back in the 60s,
and photo flash capacitors
had just come out.
And, uh,
so,
we got a bunch of them
off of, uh,
army surplus
and wherever we could.
And so,
we decided to build up
an electronic mousetrap.
So,
we get these big
1,500, uh,
uh,
microfarad,
uh,
photo flash caps in,
and we charge them up
real,
well,
before that,
we,
uh,
soldered,
uh,
copper plates
on the end of the wires.
And we
would, uh,
move them
back and forth
and closer and farther apart
to get
a good enough, uh,
arc
so that
we knew
it would get the mouse.
and so we
put a piece of, uh,
cheese in
and we would charge them up
and leave them overnight
and come in.
And everybody knew
that she just reached down
and grabbed the mouse
by the tail
and pulled it out
and then threw it away.
Well,
that went
very well
for a while
until
the
superintendent
of the school
decided to go in
and check the boiler room
and the heating system.
and, uh,
unfortunately,
there was a mouse
in the trap.
Well,
he didn't know
how to
empty the trap
so he stuck
his hand in
to pull the mouse out.
And, uh,
the mouse trap
went flying
and went out
the window
and he walked
back into
the shop
class
and he
charged all of us
for the window
and then told us
that we would have
not made
any more
electronic mouse traps.
So,
that was a fairly
simple one
to, uh,
design.
The power supply
to charge them up
was, uh,
the biggest problem
and we finally
got one of those.
But,
that was a fun project.
project.
Uh, you know,
very simple,
but it got the job
done.
So, with that,
I will, uh,
turn it back over
to Bill
and maybe the, uh,
person who tried
to check in
after me
can now check in.
so, uh, KC3SQI,
back now.
Wayne, KC3SQI,
KC3OOK.
And before we go on,
we'll see if there's
anybody else
that wants to check in
or if this, uh, uh,
Kilo Charlie one station
wants to try again.
So, uh, anyone else
would like to join us
tonight, please call now.
KC3OOK.
K3GLI.
Alright, I copy.
K-A-3-G-L-I.
And I have to apologize.
I recognize your voice,
but I can't recall your name.
Here's David.
You're good, David.
Well, thank you
for joining us tonight.
And I don't know
if you've heard the question,
but I'll repeat it for you,
which is just,
and you've probably
figured it out pretty easy.
Tell us about
something you have built.
It doesn't have to be,
you know, construction.
It could be, you know,
a race car,
uh, uh, a non-profit organization.
Anything at all,
but something you've built.
So K-A-3-G-L-I,
KC-3-OOK.
Yeah, okay.
I've been, uh,
listening a few minutes here.
I've heard a lot of good stories.
Well, one time,
we had this dehumidifier
that was driving me nuts.
in a sense that, uh,
it tended to latch on.
And, uh,
of course,
put out all kinds of heat,
really driving up
the temperature in the basement.
And, uh,
so that was frustrating.
So I have to unplug the thing.
And, uh,
I kept, uh,
hoping it would decide
to start working.
I finally gave up.
But I decided,
you know what,
instead of buying a new one,
I think I'll just design
my own controller for it.
So I,
I essentially had a,
a box between
the dehumidifier
and the mains outlet.
And so the,
the box had a humidity sensor
that was interfaced
to a microcontroller
along with an LCD screen.
And, um,
so I could, of course,
read the sensor
and then enter a set point
with some push buttons.
And, uh,
that thing worked great.
And,
and all I simply did was,
um,
turn the mains voltage
on and off
to the dehumidifier
because,
uh,
like I said,
it,
it was always on.
And, uh,
so I ran that thing
for a while
and, uh,
it worked great.
Uh,
KA3 GLI.
All right.
Well, very good, David.
Uh, thank you.
It's good to hear you tonight.
And, uh,
uh,
you're not too far away
over in GAP.
So,
uh,
I'll just make a few,
few brief comments
comments.
And, uh,
we'll go ahead
for a second round
and we can open it up
to, uh,
more on this question
or, uh,
just anything that's
on your mind
or what you're thinking
about.
So,
Mr. Mike was
in and out
and tired
and CR.
Uh,
your car mounted mast
is a,
is a work of art.
Um,
when we're at
the Brass Eagle,
every time you're parked,
people walk over
to look at that.
So that is a really,
really,
really nice setup.
And, Ron,
uh,
I was looking online
when you were talking
at your,
uh,
first console.
And that is a great story.
And it's really cool
that you still have it.
Um,
hear a lot of stories
about hands,
about the radios they had
and got rid of
and wish they had
their first set.
So that is really good.
And, John,
KFT,
yes,
I've seen your shed
and,
and the,
uh,
appendages to it
and all the aluminum
out there.
So, uh,
that is very good.
And, um,
yeah,
I was listening.
You,
you made your crystal set
when I was still
in diapers,
John.
So,
and we're not all
that much different
in age.
So you were pretty young
when you did that.
And Mike,
A3KP,
uh,
L-Craft K2.
Uh,
that is really impressive.
To me,
that's impressive.
That's,
that would be way beyond
something I could do.
Uh,
but that is great.
And,
yep,
I,
very familiar with
Dee Snider.
And,
uh,
he is quite a character.
So it's,
it's interesting how we
associate memories
with things.
You've got L-Craft,
K2,
and Dee Snider.
And Joe.
Um,
yeah,
I,
it was interesting.
I,
all three of yours,
your,
your very first one,
you know,
it's,
it's kind of,
um,
you know,
looked at the pictures,
said,
okay,
this must be how it works.
We assemble them in the same kind of relationship.
But,
uh,
we learn more from our mistakes than what goes well.
So,
uh,
that was the start of your learning,
and a,
on a long,
long path there.
and,
and I looked up the GR64 while you were talking,
and that's actually,
I like the design of that.
That,
to me,
is a very,
what I'll call,
quote,
for that era,
modern design.
Chuck,
yeah,
you had me laughing there.
That is a good one.
Along with,
uh,
Wayne.
And,
uh,
I think,
I knew you worked at Sonoban.
Was that,
I'll,
next round,
uh,
you can let me know.
Was that the Sonoban?
It was right on Rosedale Avenue there,
with the big gates and,
uh,
all the security around it for some reason.
But,
uh,
that is a good story.
And,
uh,
Wayne,
you just had me laughing.
Just,
that is good.
Uh,
an electronic mousetrap.
It,
it actually,
I don't know if it'd be appropriate for the round table,
but it would be a great question to,
uh,
pose to the engineers,
because I know all kids in school,
college or high school,
or whatever,
uh,
are creative in their pranks.
And,
and I have read some stories that,
uh,
engineers,
I think,
can be extremely creative.
So,
that might be another question sometime.
And,
David,
K3GLI,
it's good to hear you tonight.
And,
uh,
uh,
control board for your dehumidifier.
And,
uh,
that is,
that is,
that is a good one.
With that,
uh,
I guess I'm going to give mine real quick.
Okay.
Okay.
pause there.
And,
um,
I've done a lot of different things,
but,
uh,
I'm going to go with one that was just kind of fun.
I built an arc.
Uh,
there's a church in Artmore,
St. George Methodist.
And I was fortunate enough to do three projects with them.
It really became,
I would say we became part of their family there.
Um,
and we took the entire,
excuse me,
downstairs of,
uh,
uh,
the Sunday school area,
took all the walls down,
and made it into a daycare.
It was a huge church,
with a,
uh,
congregation with probably an average age of 70,
and I think there were only 80 members.
And they were looking for a way,
uh,
to keep the church going,
and bring in younger people.
So they,
so some of the people there were retired school teachers,
and they started their own daycare.
And,
uh,
so we built the daycare center for them.
And the name of the daycare was Noah's Ark.
And in one large room,
they had a large,
we built a large platform,
and we built the bow and the deck of an ark.
It was just an absolute hoot.
And there weren't really any,
I mean,
the architect had,
uh,
you know,
a drawing of what the,
uh,
elevation should look like.
But we basically built an ark,
built the whalers and the stays,
and,
uh,
uh,
curved planked it,
and we had portholes in the sides for the kids.
And,
uh,
so it had a deck and two sets of steps going up the side,
took one whole width of the room.
So,
that's mine.
It was a lot of fun that I still remember.
Noah's Ark.
So,
with that,
we'll see if there's anybody else out there that wants to join us
before we start our second round.
Uh,
so,
please go ahead and give us a call.
Uh,
so,
please go ahead and give us a call.
Uh,
so,
please go ahead and give us a call.
Uh,
so,
please go ahead and give us a call.
Nothing heard?
Well, uh,
I'll go through the list one more time real quickly.
W1RC,
Mr. Mike is in and out.
So,
it'll be
WHCRW,
WA3VEE,
WA3KFT,
AB3AP,
W3GMS,
NA3CW,
KC3SQI,
KC3CIP is in and out.
So,
we'll go over to K3GLI.
And so,
with that,
over to you,
CR,
W8CRW,
KC3,
OOK.
Very good,
Bill,
and the Thursday night round table crew.
So,
anyway,
I have my antenna mast,
and it's working great.
And,
if you have a new vehicle,
newer vehicle,
uh,
the way they design them and sell them,
it's more design over substance.
So,
when I bought the thing,
I didn't realize that there was no spare tire.
And I'm an old guy,
and I've owned vehicles for 50, 60 years,
and I like a spare tire.
So,
anyway,
I look around,
I find a spare tire.
Well,
what do I do with it?
Ah,
I'll mount it on my antenna mount.
And,
I did that,
and so,
that was the,
uh,
revision.
It works great.
So,
now I don't have to depend on a can to fix a flat,
if I have an issue.
Ron,
pick it up.
W-A-3-V-E-E-W-H-C-R-W.
W-A-3-V-E-E,
here with the group.
And,
you know,
there are round table questions that are just pretty flat.
But,
they're all good questions,
but,
they're also round table questions that really bring back a lot of memories.
And,
Bill,
you really did at this time.
You brought back a lot of great memories here.
So,
my hat's off to you with the questions.
And,
sometimes,
as,
as we host know,
that,
it's not easy to come up with a question.
But,
uh,
this is really,
truly a good one,
for sure.
Um,
well,
uh,
yeah,
I'm glad also,
I still have that,
uh,
Marante,
or Luan,
as you would call it,
uh,
console out there,
as well as the one I'm actually sitting at right now.
The,
the,
the two original pieces of woodwork that I ever really did.
And,
uh,
they're still together,
which is amazing.
In fact,
I think you and I talked on the radio about a week ago before my battery died,
which is what happened,
by the way.
Uh,
that's why I kind of vanished.
Uh,
and I couldn't get back on either,
because I couldn't switch to the other battery very conveniently in traffic.
But,
um,
we were talking about the fact that,
um,
uh,
the urea resin glue that I used,
which is pretty popular in those days.
Uh,
uh,
at least in,
in my,
in my,
uh,
very,
very,
very novice,
novice amateur woodworking in those days.
Um,
it's totally dried out.
So,
that console,
that upper,
upper riser will be repurposed.
And that will either be my Collins station,
or it will be the one I operated in military.
Um,
or that will be,
uh,
my original VE station that you see pretty much in the pictures there on QRZ.
Uh,
that has the C line in it,
a couple VHF,
uh,
IC 271,
IC 471,
which are sitting right here,
and a few other vintage pieces.
so,
um,
um,
there are some current woodworking projects also.
One is a QSL box.
Two drawers,
looks almost like a small version of something you'd see in an old library.
Um,
doing that for a good friend down in,
in, uh,
Delaware,
who I VE with.
Of course,
a few accessories here for the VEE station.
And such as,
um,
a holder for these two clocks up here,
these two sharp clocks.
Uh,
one is a,
uh,
regular local time.
The other should be a GM,
a GMT time.
And they're hard to see because they're in the dark.
So,
there'll be some illumination there.
So,
it'll be woodworking and electronics always seem to go together here at the VEE QTH.
VEE mobile,
that will be the console I keep talking about.
The,
uh,
the center console I took out of the van,
the,
uh,
the new silver porcupine.
And,
um,
the new used silver porcupine,
I should say.
And of course,
uh,
I've got to get back to doing,
um,
uh,
some other things around here.
I still have medicine cabinets to do.
Those will be cherry.
And also,
um,
I need to,
um,
I need to make,
believe it or not,
for my older son,
KB3MNA,
for Chris's girlfriend,
uh,
a Morse code base.
Uh,
and I'll explain,
Joe,
I'll,
I'll talk to you a little bit about that tomorrow.
But,
uh,
very,
very curious project there,
for sure.
And that will be out of what I call premise walnut,
or premise cherry,
and usually I harvest wood from tree trimming that we do here,
and I actually make stuff out of it,
from,
right from,
uh,
stuff on the property here.
So,
reselling logs and things like that.
So,
pretty,
pretty active wood shop over here,
for sure.
So,
that's it for here,
and I'll be listening out.
This is a very interesting round table.
Again,
Bill,
great on this,
and,
uh,
on behalf of Joe and Chuck,
and,
and all of us,
thanks for everything that you did to help make this tower vertical.
Absolutely.
I know those guys could not have done it without you.
WA3 KFT and the group to transmit WA3 VEE.
WA3 VEE.
WA3 KFT.
Well, along that idea of something I built, half of my test equipment I built.
Among other things, a very young crystal set radio, and then I built a two-tube radio.
And as I said, the two-tube radio failed, and I built an RC tester and found a bad capacitor in it.
That fixed it.
But I also built a Johnson Adventure transmitter, and that was my first transmitter when I went on the air as a novice.
From a magazine article, I built a crystal checker, the FT-243 crystals, and it has a meter on it,
so you can compare crystals and the activity of a crystal.
I'll say all crystals are not alike.
Many of the crystals that I have actually were World War II surplus and relabeled with a gum label for amateur radio use.
Some transmitters were kind of persnickety, and they wouldn't oscillate.
But with this crystal checker, I could find the activity of various crystals.
I built a 300 megahertz frequency counter, and had occasion to use it on a 220 megahertz ham rig here a few weeks ago.
Yes, that was a kit.
And it was discrete integrated circuits, TTLs.
Ron knows what I'm talking about.
Like the 7400 series.
And the 7 segment digital drivers and so forth.
It's an 8 digit display.
And it has one very expensive chip in it because it's a high frequency divide by 10 chip.
The counter itself is a 30 megahertz counter.
But with S1 chip, I'm good for 300 megahertz.
And basically it divides by 10.
That gets me down to 30.
And then the rest of the counter does the deal.
I built an ICO signal tracer because I needed to trace signals in radios I was servicing at the time.
And much of this stuff was when I was in high school and college.
When I finally got my license and started playing ham radio, one of the frequencies I used was 6 meters.
And I was in an apartment house.
Oh boy.
I don't believe they had cable television installed.
So it was rabbit ears and so forth.
Well, come on.
If you're going to operate a 6 meter transmitter, and the antenna is going to be indoors your apartment,
you better make sure it's on the 6 meter band.
So I built a strip line filter right out of the ARRL handbook.
bought the chassis at Cass Electronics.
And I don't remember what I used for the strip.
I may have gotten that as scrap metal from General Electric when I was working at the time.
Carpentry-wise, besides building the shed in the backyard, the operating table I'm leaning on right now is a 6 foot wide table.
And behind me is an 8 foot wide operating table.
So I've had a circular saw and a carpenter's hammer and screwdriver in my hands, as well as a hot soldering iron and needle nose pliers over the years.
So, kind of adept at a little bit of all of this kind of stuff.
I think it comes from...
I think it...
I think it comes from my father, because he was kind of handy with tools and what have you.
especially on Saturdays.
Uh...
He was Mr. Fix-It around the house.
And I...
I just followed him to watch to see how he did it.
And it's a good thing, because I've done a whole lot of things that he did when I was a little...
little guy.
Over to you, Mike.
AB3AP.
WA3KFT.
Thanks, John.
AB3AP.
And, uh...
First go-round, I had forgotten a comment I was going to make.
And I remembered it this time around.
And that was just that...
Monday was a government holiday.
Despite the fact that the government is shut down.
Um...
I'm now working as a part-time contractor.
So I went in.
But...
On Tuesday, that is.
So...
Tuesday was my Monday this week.
And I sat around waiting for the workbench.
And I was wondering...
Why it was sparsely attended.
And I realized...
My Monday was not everybody else's Monday.
So, uh...
Yeah, that's it for me.
I've enjoyed the stories.
And, um...
This will be...
My final.
So 73 all.
And over to you, Joe.
W3GMS.
AB3AP.
Okay, Mike.
Excellent.
Uh...
AB3AP.
And the 985 Thursday Night Roundtable.
W3GMS.
It was very interesting hearing about everybody's projects over the years.
Uh...
Something else that I...
I...
I've always liked doing it.
I just never had time to do it.
Uh...
Is woodworking.
And over the various Christmases over the last, uh...
30 years or so, Martha's gotten me a lot of really nice, uh...
Uh...
Woodworking equipment.
Which is all set up in the older garage.
And, uh...
Most of it's on wheels.
I can move it in and out.
And things like that.
It'd be nice to have a garage the size that Bill has.
But that's...
That's not gonna happen here.
Uh...
So, uh...
There you go.
Uh...
Let's see here.
Uh...
Don't forget the breakfast for those that signed up for it.
Uh...
Tomorrow.
Uh...
You got your invite.
You responded.
You're good to go.
So, well, it'll be good to see the folks that responded to the RSVP.
Uh...
Let's see.
What else?
Um...
Yeah, the tower is just magnifico.
Ha ha.
It's just fantastic.
And, John, that counter...
Because I built a bunch of counters in my formative years.
Um...
The chip is probably...
Uh...
It's an ECL chip emitter coupled logic.
And it's 11C90.
And that can be programmed for a divide by 10 or divide by 11.
And I would have...
Uh...
I would build little preamps for them to give them sensitivity.
In some cases, the certain frequencies, I'd use a FED for the real high impedance.
And other types, I'd just use bipolar devices.
So I'd have two inputs on them.
But they work very, very well.
Long, long out of production.
But the 11C90.
That was the, uh...
The pre-scaler du jour.
Uh...
Let's see.
What else?
Not too much.
I have to take out the trash yet tonight.
Uh...
I have the car loaded for Jeff W3JAM.
He has purchased my brand new in-the-box Diamond X700 antenna.
And I have a bunch of, uh...
And I have a bunch of, uh...
AWA journals and bulletins to give him.
So I've given a boatload to, uh...
Keith KB3ILS.
Given a boatload to John KN3I.
And Jeff W3JAM.
Always said he wanted some.
So I have like four...
Four smaller boxes to give him.
So that'll be...
That'll be good.
Um...
We're gonna have some new folks tomorrow.
Uh...
One is David.
Uh...
KB3GLI or K3GLI.
Um...
And, uh...
David and his father were long-time users.
On, uh...
985.
Years and years and years ago.
His dad sadly is a silent key now.
But David's picking up the slack and getting back in.
I asked him to wear a, uh...
To wear a name tag.
So, uh...
So, uh...
People will know his name and call sign.
I think he has a hat.
So look for the newbie with a hat.
And, uh...
Welcome him to the 985 group.
Uh...
Trying to think what else.
A lot of other stuff going on.
But, uh...
Don't want to hold it too long here.
But it was great hearing everybody's, uh...
Comments on their build projects.
Yeah, I'm trying to think the first switcher that I built.
Chuck, I used, uh...
The highest one I designed was 5,500 watts.
But my first one I did, it was like 350 watts.
A smaller one.
And I think I used SVT-6002, uh...
Darlington, uh...
Transistors by TRW.
There was just no FETs back then to use anything, uh...
Fed-wise.
It had to be bipolar.
And, uh...
Getting that IB1 current in and sucking out the IBD...
IBD2 current, as I call it, uh...
To turn them off quickly and let the dead time settle things and then go for the next pulse.
So, uh...
Remember the SG3524s and the 36s from Silicon General and all that stuff.
Love...
Love designing switchers.
So, uh...
Nothing more.
7-3.
And, uh...
We'll see a lot of you tomorrow.
Um...
And three.
Wait a minute.
A...
What am I...
Oh, I know.
That's why I said Jim.
Um...
I talked to...
I didn't talk to Jim today, but I got an email from Jim, and he's basking in the sun in, uh...
Ocean City, New Jersey.
And he had intended to go down and also go up to visit Bob and to HM and go out for a sail.
But with their inclement weather, uh...
Bob has pulled his sailboat out of the water.
So, Jim won't get his sail this year.
So, I said, well, spring will be here before you know it.
So, you have to come back.
But he...
Like Martha and I, he loves Ocean City, New Jersey.
And he's been down there, uh... for a while.
So, uh...
Maybe he's listening on the, um...
On Broadcastify or...
Or something.
Or he has, uh...
He has Echo Link on his, uh... device.
So, maybe he took that.
But if you're listening, Jim, good evening.
NA3CW.
W3GMS.
Now clear.
Leaving applause for the cause.
Uh...
W3GMS.
NA3CW.
Um...
Yeah, um...
Yeah, Bill, it was on a bond at the end of Rosedale Avenue.
That's back when it was two buildings, two white buildings in the end of Rosedale Avenue.
Um...
Trimmed with seafoam green.
Because J. Byron Jones, the founder, liked seafoam green.
So, everything in there was either white or seafoam green.
Uh...
Makes you kind of twitch after a while when you see seafoam green again.
Um...
I was thinking one of my first...
My...
Probably my first radio project was as a child.
Um...
I got...
I think it was a Boy Scout book or something like that intended for a Boy Scout.
And I made a Fox Hole radio.
Um...
Which is kind of like a crystal set without the crystal.
So, they needed a, um...
Quaker Oats box for a coil form.
And a mile of wire.
And a slightly rusted razor blade.
Not a blue blade, but it had to be a steel blade.
And a pencil point.
And a safety pin.
And a few thumbtacks.
And a few thumbtacks.
And then, of course, the high impedance set of headphones.
So, the, uh...
The...
The detector...
We talked about nonlinear elements in the round...
I mean, in the, uh...
Workbench on Monday.
The detector...
Was this, uh...
Piece of pencil lead, uh...
Carved out of a pencil.
And wired...
Round and round and round with fine copper wire to the pointy end of the, uh...
Of the, uh...
Safety pin.
And, and of course, the...
Pencil lead is actually graphite.
And so, you bent the head of the safety pin and you tacked that down.
Attached a wire to it.
And so, then the, um...
And you tack down the razor blade.
And then using the safety pin as a variable element,
You kind of moved it around very carefully to find a good spot.
Which was, you know, just the right amount of iron oxide to make an iron oxide rectifier.
And lo and behold, there was WCHE or WCOJ or both, um...
Coming in on the headphones.
Probably both at the same time because it didn't have any tuning caps in it.
So, they called that a foxhole radio.
So, that was the smallest radio project I ever did.
The biggest radio project I ever did.
Um...
So, Guam, um...
Um...
We brought in a 100,000 watt...
Brand new 100,000 watt AM shortwave transmitter.
And it came to us in a shipping container in pieces.
And so, it had a bunch of major chassis.
It had a floor.
It had a hallway with a carpet.
It had a fluorescent light in the hallway.
Um...
Um...
It had a big transformers the size of desks.
Um...
Uh...
A PA section.
The RF section was...
I don't know...
About the size of a car.
You know...
It was...
It was about...
It was about...
I don't know...
The PA section was about 5 feet square and about 8 feet high.
And a modulator slash power supply section that was...
Pretty big.
And so, we...
We assembled this thing out of bits and pieces and wire harnesses and whatever.
And...
We got that thing working.
Matter of fact...
Hang on.
Matter of fact, we found some things wrong with it.
That were design errors.
That we contacted the factory and...
They, uh...
Told us what...
They sent us revised software and stuff like that.
So, the...
The chief engineer and I built that thing.
Um...
From pieces.
And it was the first of those...
Transmitters that was ever assembled in the field without anybody from the factory being there.
Because our chief engineer was deeply experienced.
And I had quite a bit of experience at that point.
So, that was the biggest RF project.
So, that put out...
A 100,000 watt carrier with 400,000 watt modulation peaks.
Run on a three-phase 400 amp service.
And the parallel open wire feeder was two copper pipes to the outside of the building.
So, that was kind of the range.
But the dynamic range of my radio building experience.
And as well as replacing these antennas that were dipole curtain arrays.
Um...
That are, you know...
300 feet wide and 250 feet high.
And, um...
Thousands and thousands of bolt connections.
But that's another story.
So, enough war stories.
Over to Wayne.
KC-3 SQI.
NA3CW.
Thank you, Chuck.
NA3CW.
This is KC-3 SQI.
Yeah.
One of the most memorable, um...
designs that I ever did
was, uh...
when I was working in the aerospace industry for a little company called Ball Aerospace.
Uh...
Which was the...
The parent company was the Ball Mason Jar Corporation.
So, we were, uh...
jokingly called the, uh...
Glass Satellite Company.
But, anyway, uh...
One of the things that I was doing, um...
I had a job where they couldn't replace me.
So, they would give me things to do if I didn't have anything to do.
Right in the testing and stuff, so...
Um...
I was in between, uh...
charge numbers, to...
do stuff, so...
they handed me off...
this design...
for...
drive motors.
But they didn't tell me what the drive motors were for.
So...
Okay.
Well, I...
set it up and...
put it together and...
designed this, uh...
uh...
system and...
variable...
control for drive motors.
Uh...
They had to be linked and...
things like that.
And I'm going, what is this for?
Well...
when I got done with it...
and, uh...
had it all ready to go...
they, uh...
then informed me...
that it was...
for the...
little car...
that Apollo 18...
drove around...
up on...
the moon.
So...
that design...
is still setting up on the moon.
And, uh...
that was, uh...
once they told me what it was for...
that was one of the...
you know...
one of the fun...
designs...
when you didn't...
actually...
destroy something.
Those were even more fun, though.
So with that...
um...
Ka3ZLR...
this is...
KC3SQI...
Ka3GLI...
KC3OOK...
you still there, David?
Yes, I am.
I...
I thought I heard...
him, uh...
say another call.
uh...
Ka3GLI here.
I did think of...
the one more thing.
Um...
when I was in...
sixth grade...
I built a, uh...
Heathkit...
weather station.
And I was just...
totally enthralled...
with that.
Especially with the fact...
that it actually worked...
after, uh...
I was done with the soldering iron.
and that thing worked for years and years.
And, uh...
right around the same time, I...
happened to come across a, uh...
college...
a meteorology textbook...
at a yard sale.
and I devoured that thing and...
started doing my own weather forecasting...
and...
even went so far as to...
think ahead towards...
uh...
becoming a meteorologist...
although not...
one of those people on TV...
um...
more along the lines of...
working on forecasting models...
and things like that.
That was about two years...
before I got my...
novice license.
And so once that happened...
I was...
I was...
I had shifted towards...
uh...
electronics...
and, uh...
ended up going for the...
double-E degree.
So...
um...
Yeah, I guess...
uh...
back to you there...
Bell...
KC-3-0-O-K...
KA-3-G-L-I.
Thank you, David...
KA-3-G-L-I...
KC-3-0-O-K...
KA-3-G-L-I...
Thank you, David...
KA-3-G-L-I...
KC-3-0-O-K...
KC-3-0-O-K...
... cough break there...
Uh...
Well, uh...
before, uh...
I...
close...
...the...
cough break there...
Uh...
Well, uh...
before, uh...
I...
Before I close things out, I'm going to just take one last call to see if there's anybody out there that's just been listening.
Maybe you're a new ham, and if so, feel free to call it.
Just give us your call sign.
KC-3-0-OK.
All right.
Well, nothing heard.
Nothing heard.
And, yeah, Ron, I want to thank you for the compliment on the question, but I have to be honest, I can't take it.
This, I think, is a question from Chuck.
I believe we were talking about good job interview questions.
And even if it's, you know, not related to the job you're interviewing for, it just gives you some insight into people.
And I think it did tonight.
I thought they were really interesting, some really funny ones.
And I'm not going to go ahead and comment on them all because I think the second round was just as interesting as the first.
So, with that, I want to say thanks to all stations for checking into the 985 roundtable.
And a big thank you to Joe, W3GMS, for making the 985 repeater available for us on the roundtable.
You're invited to use the repeater often.
That's a great way to show that you appreciate the gift of 985 to the amateur radio community.
Finally, we hope to hear you again on Monday evening at 8 p.m. during the 985 workbench, where again it will be Harvey, KC3NZT.
So, this concludes the roundtable for tonight.
And, of course, feel free to stick around and keep the conversation going.
So, everyone, have a good night and a great weekend.
Thank you very much, Bill.
Great job tonight.
WA3VE.
Thanks, Ron.
Thanks, Ron.
And, they were great stories.
And I have to tell you about that old Luan plywood, just real quickly, woodworking story.
I would love to make a copy of the Heat Kid AK-5 speaker.
Excuse me.
And I'm pretty sure, I'm almost certain, that era, that's just what they used back then.
And the problem is, I don't want to just make a copy.
If I make one, I want to make a true reproduction.
And that's probably the hardest part, is being able to find a piece of that.
It was probably only about three-eighths.
But, anyhow, you talk about that all the time, and it was just great material.
So, have a great night, Ron.
WA3VE.
KC3.
Okay.
Actually, looking at it right here, Heat Kit restoration questions.
That sounds great.
Well, I've got the same situation going on with the CIDL QSL box for Dave Stepnowski, KC3AM down in Delaware.
A great guy.
And just doesn't have too much expertise or equipment in woodworking.
So, after the last VE session, he said, hey, why don't you stop by the house?
And he has animals, of course, too.
So, of course, that's always a nice visit over there, besides radio.
Get a chance to visit some of the cats and dogs he has and stuff.
So, that was just a lot of fun.
And he says, hey, can you make me one of these?
I said, you know what?
That's pretty good.
I'd make a couple because I could use one myself, the accumulation of old QSL cards I've got.
In short, that also is not standard with material.
The one he has, very old, is pretty much like a two-drawer, each drawer being the size just slightly larger than a regular QSL card.
It looks just like what you would find in a library card file.
It's probably where it came from.
But in any event, I guess the width is like 516 on the wood.
So, dust off the old finish planer.
I only have a Delta 13-inch finish planer.
I don't have anything very, very fancy in that regard.
But it certainly does the job.
And sometimes have to feed it off-angle, if you know what I mean, to prevent the sniping.
But anyway, I'd have to plane it down to get to that.
Some of the fun stuff over here, not to hold you up, but some of the fun stuff here is to take a piece of wood.
For instance, we're going to get some tree trimming done here probably in the next couple weeks in preparation for the maybe ice storms and heavy weather we're going to have this winter.
Especially any of the stuff that's hanging over my neighbor Lou in the back and my neighbor next door, Dan.
They're at their property.
Make sure nothing falls down, damages cars or anything.
Gee, that's the last thing any of us need.
But I've taken limbs and have re-sawn them on the bandsaw.
And with the two-horse motor I put in there, that certainly is easy.
And then to take a log like that, that's what I meant by premise wood.
Take a log like that and actually make something out of it with wood right from the property.
Once, of course, it dries out, obviously.
But it's just a lot of fun.
Very satisfying for sure.
And not to shortchange electronics in any way.
I can't count the number of Heathkit kits I've built over the years from electronics.
The most fun one was a dual digital, six-digit digital clock and thermometer.
And I found a lot of problems in the manual that I fed back to Heathkit.
Took quite a bit of technician troubleshooting back in the 1970s.
But spent quite a few hours on the bench trying to trace through and figure out why that didn't work.
And it turned out there were a lot of mistakes in the manual, as I mentioned.
Anyway, Bill, sounds good.
I'll let you get going.
KC3-O-O-K-W-A-3-V-E-E.
Yeah, probably timed it out there, Bill.
Go ahead.
No problem.
I thought maybe your foot slipped off the flip pedal.
No problem at all.
Well, that, the card file thing, yeah.
That's an interesting project.
I'm curious, does your Delta planer, is that like the, we had the DeWalt one, and that was a two-head planer, just two-knife planer, like a square head.
Does yours have three knives or two?
One cylinder, and there are, I believe, two knives.
I've got to go back and look.
But I was debating at the time that DeWalt, that really nice DeWalt one, which was significantly more expensive than the Delta.
But that, I was debating whether it could get the DeWalt, but I think in their initial, and you actually may remember more than I, but I think initially they had problems with that planer, and I needed one for projects up here.
I think we were working on our bathrooms at the time, and I needed to get the vanities done.
But, or something, well, it had to be way before that, but in any event, it's quite a while ago.
But anyway, I ended up, oh, it was the library stuff.
That's what it was.
That's, that's 2000, that's like 25 years ago.
That makes sense.
That makes sense.
And so, I ended up getting the Delta instead.
I believe it is, it is a, it's one cylinder has, I believe, two slots for the long, the long knives, which I have extras of.
Those are hanging on a, on a magnetic hook on the return duct, duct work for the HVAC in the wood shop.
Go ahead.
Very good.
Well, I think you made the right choice.
I think the Delta is a better one.
We, in our work, we usually had big, heavy commercial tools, but because those things are so portable and so light, and for smaller jobs, it was handy.
We had some little DeWalt contractor table saws, and we had the DeWalt planers, and quite honestly, the planers didn't hold up.
I've done some jobs where they were, we used them in production, and quite honestly, probably don't get more than a year out of, out of them.
And, I mean, that's running them hard.
Most homeowners aren't going to do that.
But, but that's good.
As long as it does the trick, as long as it, it works, that's what, what counts.
And, they are easier to set up than some of the larger ones.
Yeah, there's a lot of options for shapers and shaper tables and things like that.
Planer is, there's only kind of a couple ways you can go.
There's, there's relatively low price point, and then you make a quantum leap up from there.
Back to you, Ron.
WA3PEE KC3OOK.
In case anybody else wanted to join us.
Oh, yeah, very much so.
Well, there's another thing, too.
It does, it does a very nice job.
There's no doubt about it.
The one thing I have to do, though, is for the dust collection system, I would say it's a JTC, JTS, and unfortunately they went out of business.
What a beautiful system.
But, like, there's, there's no dust on any of these radios or anything.
There's no dust on, on the stuff in my, in my lab.
There's no partition or anything.
It's an open work area back there, in back of the wall here, back of the console, where the shop is.
It's a great system, but it, it doesn't have, for the planer, it's a four inch corrugated vinyl tube hose.
And for the planer, though, it, it throws off so much that what I have to do is I've got to take my shop vac, which is a pretty good size, um, rigid shop vac.
And I've got to take the exhaust from that and feed it through a Y to actually give it a jet to actually force the chips, uh, into the, uh, into the, uh, uh, the, the four inch hose.
Because if I don't do that, I'll get jamming, even though I've got really good suction, but it still isn't good enough.
So, uh, that's the only drawback at all, but that's a very, very minor one.
Uh, given, given the beautiful work that it puts out.
KC3OOK WA3VEE.
WA3VEE. KC3OOK. Yeah, I, I can understand that, Ron.
And the corrugated hose is so handy because of its flexibility.
The turbulence in it reduces your vacuum by a significant amount.
I use it on my shaper just because of the way it's kind of set up.
I have to and a couple of other tools I have to move.
So they have to have that flex hose.
And the system doesn't work anywhere near as well.
And, you know, it's all a smooth pipe that those hoses connect to.
And all the other machines with the same size pipe handle it fine.
But, yeah, we could go on forever with woodworking.
I was going to say that.
I even had as large as my system is.
If you're planning real big, wide, soft wood boards like pine,
because it's such a light, fluffy, and they're big, long shavings.
Yeah, it even kind of loads mine up.
It'll start to plug, and all of a sudden it'll clear itself.
I think I'm just under 3,000 CFM.
But it still can push that collector.
But I should probably get in and check on the wife.
Hopefully she is asleep.
She has to work early tomorrow.
And I guess we have to get up early tomorrow and go to the breakfast.
So we can continue it again.
But I wish I could take credit for the question.
But that was actually Chuck.
Back to you, Ron.
Great, Bill.
Yeah, I do remember Chuck and I talking about that one time in interviewing.
I think I was still teaching at the time.
That's a great question for interviews.
It is really a good one.
But all very good.
But still, it's a good one for tonight.
Great, great conversation and great answers.
Pretty interesting to hear some of the stories, especially Wayne's there with his design being interplanetary, so to speak.
At least moon-wise.
Interlunar, I guess, would be the term.
Anyway, Bill, great.
I'll let you go.
I've got to hit the sack, too.
I've been finding that I have got to get a little more sleep than I've had in past years.
Otherwise, I'm dragging in the morning, which is not good.
So I'm going to be on the road early and out of here and be at the breakfast.
So it'll be really great to see everybody.
I missed the last one because I was up at the Goodstown Antique Radio Show.
But I have the camera and everything all ready to go tomorrow again.
Back to normal again.
Bill, have a good evening.
Always fun to talk about this stuff.
You know that.
And so I'm always learning as well.
And you've got the techniques much, much better than I do.
Have a good one.
And we'll say 73.
KC3-O-O-K-W-A-3-V-E-E.
73.
Go on QRT.
Sounds good, Ron.
Get some sleep.
And we'll see you in the morning.
So 73 is KC3-O-O-K.
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Thank you.