Why Growing Your Law Firm Can Make You More Isolated

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What happens when law firm owners unintentionally isolate themselves while trying to protect their time and focus? In this episode, Tyson Mutrux explores a powerful idea inspired by Robert Greene’s 48 Laws of Power: “Do not build fortresses to protect yourself. Isolation is dangerous.” That quote sparks a deeper conversation about how many founders unknowingly create isolation as they scale their businesses.

Tyson breaks down how this “fortress mindset” shows up in modern law firms—whether through controlling calendars, avoiding networking, becoming the sole decision-maker, or building overly filtered communication channels. While these actions often start with good intentions, they can lead to dangerous blind spots where leaders lose access to honest feedback, frontline information, and valuable outside perspectives.

The episode also dives into the psychological side of leadership isolation. Tyson explains how loneliness at the top can impact mental health, decision quality, and long-term strategic thinking. Ultimately, the solution isn’t just working harder—it’s intentionally building strong networks, feedback loops, and collaborative environments that help leaders stay connected, informed, and resilient as they grow.

• 3:23 Why isolation disconnects leaders from reality
• 5:44 Why founders accidentally isolate themselves
• 6:54 The importance of dashboards, data, and feedback loops
• 9:04 Why face-to-face connection still matters for leadership
• 11:07 Common isolation traps for law firm owners
• 15:08 Why ideas spread faster in collaborative firms
• 17:18 The psychological cost of leadership isolation
• 23:27 Connection as a strategic advantage for entrepreneurs
  
  

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Tyson Mutrux 00:00:00 Welcome back to Maximum Alert Live. I'm Tyson Matrix. And today we're going to be talking about a quote that I read last week. And I it's been kind of stuck in my brain. So I wanted to just kind of talk through it. It's from Robert Greene's 48 Laws of Power. just it's and if you've not read that book, it sounds like a book that. Oh, my gosh, why would you want like, why would you want to read that? It it's actually a really impactful book. I highly recommend it. 33 Laws of War. Also, just a fantastic book. I highly recommend that as well. both. just if anything gives you an idea as to how some people act the way that they do. Okay. it can also be used for the manipulation. And I'm not saying that you should use it for manipulation. I'm just telling you it could be used for that. Which is why it's actually really important that you read it, because you can see why some people try certain tactics.

Tyson Mutrux 00:01:05 That's why I like the book influence the book. The book influence is is like that too, because and I read that in undergrad. It was it was, I was I remember I remember having to read it and not being happy about it because my professor gave it to us and said, you got to read this over the weekend. And I was like, well, there goes my weekend. But I'm really glad I did because such a good book, really good book. And it helped me understand why marketers do certain things. That way you're not getting manipulated when it comes to marketing. So, another good book. But that's why I like these books. But when it comes to this particular quote, it's it's really it's not anything to do with manipulation. I think this is more this more has to do with the founder, the law firm owner. and this is, I think, what kind of struck me. So here is the the line from it. Do not build fortresses. Fortresses to protect yourself.

Tyson Mutrux 00:02:08 Isolation is dangerous. So do not build fortresses. Fortresses to build, to protect yourself. Isolation is dangerous. I'll try that again. Some struggling reading today. Apparently so. Do not build fortresses to build, to protect yourself. Isolation is dangerous. So, And it really kind of got me thinking about myself and about other law firm owners. And it got me thinking a lot about how the mastermind that we just got back from in Phoenix, which was just really was incredible. And it got me thinking about solos themselves and, how being solo can be very vulnerable, for a variety of reasons. And I also got me thinking about, like solos that succeed versus solos that have not succeeded and why. And so we're going to kind of talk about all of that stuff. but the first thing I've kind of divided this in into different topics. And so the first one is really the the fortress illusion is what I'll call it. because Robert Greene in his book and his books are really well researched, these are not things that he like.

Tyson Mutrux 00:03:23 That's why they're like they're thick. They're super thick, and they're like, full size text and the full size, like, the books are full size. They're not your typical, you know, five and a half by nine and a half. They're like a full size book. It's like a textbook really. They're really. Well, thought out and he warns against isolation because, leaders that really kind of retreat into these fortresses, they lose access to information and influence. That's Those are the big reasons why you shouldn't do it. and if you look at like historically, I love that he gives like historical lessons. So historically, rulers who isolated themselves often fell because they became disconnected from reality. Right. And if you think about this from a law firm perspective, think about when you and this this applies to many of the people that have scaled to this point. And this is a lesson for those of you that have not gotten to this point, is that you, at certain points, will scale to a certain point where you have become disconnected from people on the front lines.

Tyson Mutrux 00:04:37 And it is a when when that happens, it's very uncomfortable because you become disconnected from reality. Okay. so and that is a very uncomfortable thing. Okay. And it's, it's an uncomfortable thing that you're about to sort of get over, but through enough feedback loops, through a strong leadership team, you can you can easily overcome that. But, you have to find ways of being in touch with the front lines so that you don't become disconnected from reality. That's the root of it. so that doesn't mean you need to jump back into things. That does not mean that that's not what I'm talking about. I'm just saying you need to have enough information flowing up to you so that you don't become too disconnected. So but then I started thinking. So a lot of these are questions I've written down for myself that I've kind of been thinking about. So like, I was thinking like, why do successful people, why do they sometimes build these fortresses without realizing it? And, there's a quote in the book.

Tyson Mutrux 00:05:44 Isolation is dangerous. When you cut yourself off from others, you cut yourself off from information and. I think the reason why there's lots of things and I've thought about my own, my own, you know, career and, you know, running of the firm. I think we do it because it's going to give us freedom. So we're thinking, okay, I'll stop taking calls. I'll, I'll, you know, control my calendar like a hawk. I'll do all these different things. And it what it does, it ends up creating these fortresses of isolation and reality. You're you're cutting yourself off from from the outside world. So we do it with the best of intentions, but we we have to realize that there are we still have to to do that networking. Okay. strategically, by the way, not just willy nilly. We have to we still have to create those feedback loops where we're getting information all the way up to the top. we're hiring the right people so that they're not filtering information from you that you should be hearing.

Tyson Mutrux 00:06:54 we've got to make sure we're having dashboards in the data that we need. So there's all these things that we still need to do so that we're not disconnected. So it's great to have great control over your calendar. It's great to not to do things like unscheduled phone calls, not doing unscheduled phone calls, office hours, all these things, all these things are still good. But that also means it's even more important that you have the other things. Okay. Like the dashboards and the data and the feedback loops, really important. And so I there's another question I was thinking about where all right. What is the what is the modern fortress look like for Warframe owners meaning remote workers. Right. Whenever a lot of firms are remote, I don't think that the majority of firms are remote at this point. But there are many, many firms that are remote at this point. What does it mean for AI? I, I, I can't answer the question for AI. I don't know what it means when it comes to that.

Tyson Mutrux 00:07:57 I don't think anybody has an answer. I think that that's the right answer is that we don't know. But when it comes to remote, I mean, I think that that's an easier one because you you have people that are in their homes, working by themselves and they're really cut off. They have no physical contact with people. I mean, that's the reality. So we have to find ways of of creating that connection with our team when we are so dispersed. I mean, that's something that we have. That's a that's an issue we have because we are hybrid. We've got the two physical offices, but we also have many remote employees too. So it's it's a it's a tough thing. So you have to find ways of connecting. We have an associate. He actually spends part of his time in Phoenix and part of his time in in Saint Louis, so he split time between the two. And so, oddly enough, we hung out. when we got back, I caught on Monday. We hung out on Monday in Saint Louis, but we were both just in Phoenix and didn't hang out at all, but we had to find time to do that.

Tyson Mutrux 00:09:04 So we were we were able to find times to hang out, and we weren't just hanging out, we were working and all that. But we were, you know, I was able to be face to face with them. And so the more you can find those opportunities, you should take them. You really should. that'd be some other ways that like, just generally in the modern workforce, I mean, how we sort of created these fortresses, like being the only decision maker on things, that's a form of creating this, this fortress or yourself, avoiding going to like conferences and sort of training is masterminds even like where you go and you spend time with other law firm owners or I think I have to be law firm orders. Maybe go to a management conference where you're you're getting information from the outside world. Okay, I know you can get a lot of this. I know you can get a lot of this from, like, Chad Pettibone that. But you can't tell me. You cannot tell me.

Tyson Mutrux 00:10:01 I can just tell you from the just a this isn't like a self-promotional thing. I don't. Please don't take it as that. It doesn't matter which what master man, it would have been it. But like, you can't tell me that, if you were in the in the mastermind last week, that you would have gotten more value from asking all those questions from ChatGPT, you wouldn't have. It was an amazing group, and just the discussion was incredible that we can't replicate that inside of ChatGPT or Claude or you name it, you just can't. So, that human connection really, really important. So avoiding those outside groups, those people that have gone through had similar experiences before you. you know, standing on the shoulders of giants that. Think about that quote. that's kind of what you're doing. Like you're going and even if the person is not a quote unquote giant, you are you're still standing on the shoulders of someone that has been through it. And you can you can actually increase the speed of your learning by standing on their shoulders.

Tyson Mutrux 00:11:07 Another thing we do, we create these isolation chambers where we we refuse to delegate by where we are, just like the sole person doing things. That's another it's another big issue. And then another one, like believing, no one understands your issues, your problems. And so you just kind of keep them to yourself. That's another way of creating these isolation chambers, I think. I like the I like the idea of a isolation chamber more than I think, because, that to me is more like the there's no information coming in. There's no information going out because I think that's more of what we do. So the there though, you know, this is another thing I wrote down. there was a study from Harvard Business School that I talked about, I think a year or two ago on that on the show, and it had to do about, isolation and entrepreneurship and all that. And I talked about CEOs, and the study was about how the CEOs, they found that they often experience, power distance, where the higher that they rise in leadership than in the Or.

Tyson Mutrux 00:12:26 It wasn't about CEOs in general. It was about people in the companies that the higher that they rise in power, the. And they called it power distance. So the higher they rise, the fewer people give them honest feedback. and that is a really, really big problem that creates a massive informational blind spot. So, it was a really interesting study. And so you think, oh, the higher I go up in a company, the more information we get. It's actually the opposite. So be very, very conscious of that. Even if you're in a small firm, that means that if you're I mean you're always at the top, okay. And if you have people that are like directly underneath you, they're probably not being super honest with you just because probably out of fear. So you have to find ways of getting this information. and you have to sometimes get a little creative. Right? So I do wonder this is more of a question for like people listening and people watching like, I wonder if you've ever noticed, that the lonelier you become, the more reactive you become too, because that sort of a thing I've noticed is that the lonelier that the owner becomes, the more reactive they've become in their decision making.

Tyson Mutrux 00:13:49 I see it masterminds all the time, and I see it on people that I have on the show, where it seems like they isolate themselves and they become very reactive, almost paranoid as another way of putting it. So I do wonder if anyone else has experienced that. So if you have, let me know because I it's at least something I've observed. And I just wonder if it's just in the, isolated, using the word isolation. So much in the isolated experiences that I've had with law firm owners and masterminds. But I do wonder if if other people are saying that, so and so that I kind of want to pass on is like solo thinking, like, there's nothing wrong with being a solo, by the way. But I think, like solo thinking it's almost like silo thinking, and it leads a slower learning. and the firms that tend to grow the fastest are the ones that have the ideas that circulate. and you look at Kevin Cheney's firm, it seems like a firm that I mean, it's been growing rapidly, but also it seems like they have in that firm, the information is passing through on a regular basis, and it's cycling and cycling and cycling and seem like it's a very healthy, firm because of that.

Tyson Mutrux 00:15:08 So I, I, it's just something I kind of think about. so I would if there's anything I kind of pass on this, this part of this episode is like just kind of thinking, like, where in your life or your firm, you accidentally built a fortress and see if there's a way that you can, maybe keep all the positives and get rid of the negatives by maybe increasing information flow, because I think that's a big part of it. All right. So the next part of this conversation is Conversations about networks and the advantage of networks. And we've already talked about this a little bit, so I'm not going to talk about it a whole lot. But just in this back to kind of a Robert Green, like if you think about throughout history, leaders with strong networks have consistently outperformed those isolated networks, those people, those leaders that don't have those those people to reach out to them. It is a just a matter of fact that that is true. And so you can actually create a lot of leverage by having networks built out.

Tyson Mutrux 00:16:11 So it it's almost like information is a is a currency for success where and I'm not I'm not talking about just information within your firm, but really information between in the different networks. Okay. and this is where it's the Isaac Newton quote. I actually wrote it down. it's, if I have seen furthers by standing on the shoulders of giants. It's Isaac by Isaac Newton. And so this is that's kind of where it is. Is where you are sharing this information from network to network. And you allows you to be successful because you are standing on the shoulders of giants. So, I'm not going to go a whole lot into this more because I think I've already talked about this a little bit. and so just make sure you are not isolating yourself from other networks. Make sure you're continuing continuing to network with other other attorneys, other potential referral partners, all that kind of stuff. it's I think it's really, really important. All right. So the, the one of the other topics I want to get to is just the psychological cost of all this.

Tyson Mutrux 00:17:18 Where if you if you isolate yourself. it doesn't like we've talked a lot about information, but isolation, it doesn't just affect like information flow. it really I think it does really have an effect on mental health and decision quality. Okay, so those two are related, but they're different because we talk a lot. We have talked a lot about mental health, especially over the last six years. I guess now mental health has been a big deal. But we don't talk enough about is like how it affects the decision quality. So the quality of our decision making really, really costly, leaders, it's without a doubt, leaders, without trusted peer peers, they experience higher stress and poor strategic judgment, meaning that they're making terrible decisions. Okay. and I think a lot of that has to do with and I don't I don't have anything back this up. This part, I'm just kind of I'm it's something I have thought about. I think it's because we just ruminate over and over and over again about negative stuff.

Tyson Mutrux 00:18:37 and, and so we're just, we're kind of cycling in our heads. And it leads us to just to make a really poor decisions on things sometimes. And if we just had that access to outside people where we can run these ideas by people, then it would kind of kind of get us out of that cycle. And so the more isolated we become, the more we kind of cycle on these negative thoughts, which then leads to negative decision making. And it gets back to, what Jason Self always talks about. I know Jason didn't come up with this, but the, there's a scientific principle about the the more the more you focus on something, the more it expands. So whether that's negative, whether it's positive, I was talking to my trainer just this morning. We were talking about this. This a similar topic. we're talking about Kobe Bryant and his, He was talking about putting. He thought he likes putting all your eggs in one basket because you can always have. You can always create more eggs.

Tyson Mutrux 00:19:34 And that has to do with, like shooting more baskets and all that. And we're we were kind of talking about, you know, shooting baskets. If Kobe had focused on, you know, missing shots all the time, he would miss a lot more shots. But my guess is that Kobe probably focused on making shots. And his mind, it was about making shots. And so he made more shots. So, if you're making in your head, if you are, you're talking about like killing the decisions in your head and all that. if you're thinking about making negative decisions all the time, you're going to make negative decisions. But if instead you flip it and you're talking, you're you have convinced yourself you're going to make good decisions. and I talked about last week, I did a training last week about, like, what identity do you adopt? Are you going to adopt the identity of a weak leader that makes poor decisions? Or are you going to adopt the identity Of a strong leader.

Tyson Mutrux 00:20:29 That is very decisive. Okay. some of these things are lies about telling ourselves. But if it's a good lie, that's actually a good thing, because we're sort of convincing ourselves that we are that thing. And you ultimately then become that thing at some point. So whether you are telling yourself it's a negative thing or a positive thing, you're going to be right either way. Yeah. That's just the reality of it. so another question I have for myself and I kind of have for you is to like, why is it that law firm owners, they feel lonely, even when they're surrounded by so many employees, and it may be a lot of employment. And so this to me, this is a really, interesting thing because a lot of it has to do with, like, us suffering in our own imagination than in reality, where, we feel like we're the only ones that can decide on certain things. we're. We feel like we're the only ones that know certain information. and I also kind of think that we are always.

Tyson Mutrux 00:21:33 It does seem like lawyers, especially, are always trying to escape something. So, a lot of lawyers went to law school because they. That was like the next step. And they didn't really have they didn't really have a plan. Right. I'm not saying that that's everybody. I'm just saying that's a lot. A lot of lawyers, that times lawyers are trying to escape into the owner's box and put owners box. Sometimes lawyers are trying to opening separate companies to like, you know, like separate marketing companies. They're doing all these different things. Like, lawyers are always trying to escape. and I don't I don't really know the answer to that as to why that is. we can all draw our own conclusions to that, but, it does sometimes feel like it is a lonely thing. It's a lonely thing at the top. Lonely experience at the top is a lonely feeling. even though we are surrounded by a bunch of employees that are more than willing to help us and then want to be there for us.

Tyson Mutrux 00:22:28 We think we have to lean on that a little bit more. We have to be more willing to lean on our employees because they want to help. Okay. sometimes I think maybe we we think that we are, overworking our employees and putting to put too much on them. But I think also sometimes they want to be there more for us than we know. So we have to be willing to accept that. It's almost like the last, step in the go giver about accepting, accepting what people are willing to give. That's, a lesson that I have. It's taken me the longest to learn, I think, is being willing to accept what others are willing to give. So. All right, let's we are getting close to time. So I want to make sure I because I have, I have 7 or 8 topics I actually wanted to talk about with this. And clearly I'm not going to get through, all of it, but, maybe the last one I'll talk about is just connection as a strategic asset.

Tyson Mutrux 00:23:27 Okay. I bet you haven't thought about that before. I know that you've thought about it as being a positive, but I wonder if you've actually thought about being a strategic asset. because the connection is not just emotional support, you can actually use it as a strategic asset to improve your decision making, your creativity, even your resilience. There are studies on resilience that that come with being connected to other people. I think that was a really interesting one. But I do think that the most successful entrepreneurs intentionally design these environments where ideas they collide. I do think it happens accidentally sometimes, too. I think I've been very lucky when it comes to you accidentally designing environments around myself that we are. I've been the benefactor of, many of those. But I do think a lot of the most successful entrepreneurs. Entrepreneurs, they intentionally design these environments where they can really thrive it. So really be thinking about how you can create these environments for yourself, where you have connection with other people, where, you you can use that to your advantage in a way where, you can make better strategic decisions, whether that's marketing, whether it's operations, whether whatever it may be.

Tyson Mutrux 00:25:00 you'll have, you know, maybe some collaborative planning sessions. shared shared learning, as so creating some of the, some environments where you can do this, you can even do this in your firms where, you have like share shared learning when it comes to like AI, like, okay, what are we doing with AI here? How are we doing this? It may could be a different case does the decisions on different cases. But whatever it may be, it's undisputed that communities outperform individuals collectively. If you took 30 individuals collectively or individually, and you compare their outputs to 30 individuals that are working together, the 30 individuals that are working together are going to outperform those 30 individuals, like by a thousand. It's not even close. So and even if it's a small group, never doubt the power of a small group. Small groups can be very, very powerful too. When it comes to to connection. But, All right. That is all I have. I'm not going to. There's other these other topics that I definitely would.

Tyson Mutrux 00:26:08 Maybe I could do another episode at some other time on these, but, there's lots, a lot of thoughts I had about this I've been thinking about quite a bit because I, I saw that quote. It was actually one, because I read the books. but when it comes to I follow someone on ex that post the 48 Laws of Power, like different quotes from it. And I saw this one and I was like, oh, okay. It got really got me thinking. And so I've, I've probably overthought on this, but, I was out in Phoenix, I had some time to do it, and so I did. So, but that's all I had this week. Remember to check out Rebecca's list for the best vendors and the ones to avoid. that's really, really important. and if you want more information about our upcoming events. Maxwell events comm, where you go to Maximum Lawyer. We've got a YouTube accelerator in June, so make sure you check that out. I got Jeff Hampton coming out.

Tyson Mutrux 00:27:01 We got Ryan Weber coming out. Joey Vitale might stop by with some donuts. He says, so we'll we'll see if we can make that happen. but it's going to be it's gonna be a great event. So hopefully we can see all of you out there. But, thanks for watching and we will see you all next week.