The Few Will Hunt Show

In this episode, Joey and Drew delve into the world of Jiu-Jitsu – its challenges, transformative lessons, and the physical and mental hurdles it brings. They share their experiences of stumbling upon Jiu-Jitsu and how it became the ultimate personal development program, shaping resilient individuals ready to tackle life's challenges head-on.

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Drew Beech
Drew Beech is an entrepreneur and cofounder of Few Will Hunt. He spent several years in the sales and marketing industry, grossing over several million dollars in sales. But his love for the entrepreneurial journey and desire to escape the rate race started with his personal training business in college. Today, Drew leads the Few Will Hunt community alongside his cousin and cofounder, Joey in their mission to restore the dignity of hard work through the highest-quality American-made apparel.
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Joey Bowen
Joey Bowen is co-founder of Few Will Hunt.

What is The Few Will Hunt Show?

The official podcast of Few Will Hunt, the world’s largest community of hard workers and 100% Made in the USA apparel brand. We’re on a mission to restore the dignity of hard work and help others live The Rules of The Few to strengthen ourselves and strengthen society. No entitlement or excuses are allowed here.

Drew Beech:

Like, I feel as though that's the reason why I love jiu jitsu so much is because no matter even how good you are or bad you are, like, there's always someone better than you. And there's all you're always gonna be humble. And I think that's a constant

Joey Rosen:

Yeah.

Drew Beech:

Never ending personal development tool. Mhmm. And that's the reason why you and I love it so much. Welcome to the Fuel Hunt Show.

Joey Rosen:

What's going on, Eagles? My name is Joey, and welcome to the Fuel Hunt Show. I am joined by my cousin and cofounder, Drew.

Drew Beech:

Happy to be here.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. Last time, I think I forgot to ask you how you were doing. I'm not gonna

Drew Beech:

make that same mistake twice.

Joey Rosen:

I'm not gonna make it.

Drew Beech:

I'm living the dream, baby. Making magic happen every day. One hard worker at a time.

Joey Rosen:

Very good. I love it. I love it. If you're watching the show, on YouTube, which I highly recommend you do, you will see that we have all our accoutrements, all of our accessories.

Drew Beech:

Accoutrements? Yeah. Was that French. Okay. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

You have our culture. One accoutrements we don't have is my boy, Rocky Nelson, from Yes. IG sent us a dope eagle head made out of, like, resin. It's amazing. I saw it.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. It's amazing. Sick as fuck.

Joey Rosen:

It's amazing. So we gotta get, actually, we have to get something wired for that, I think, to hang it up.

Drew Beech:

But we're have to rearrange our backdrop. Like, I mean, we're we're we're Dave's like, what are you doing? Works. It's in the works.

Joey Rosen:

Dave's like,

Drew Beech:

what are you doing to me? I just sent all this up.

Joey Rosen:

Well, we do have some other we we've got some other things with us today. Right? So let's call him out. Again, chat it to Dane because for the past few shows, we didn't have Ernest with us. Ernest is here, the mascot from the Few Fest.

Joey Rosen:

I had to do a lot of apologizing to Ernest. He was upset that he did not appear on the show as regularly as he thought, but he's here. And, of course, we have the f it the f it bucket.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. Is that what it's called? We're swearing. We're not actually

Joey Rosen:

No. I can't I can't say it. Okay. Unless I wanted to unless I wanted to positive 20, the consequence I

Drew Beech:

have it

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. Or, our nonprofit partner, which every every once in a while, I think for emphasis, I will sneak one in. You know what I mean? Just to make sure that we're supporting them that little bit little bit more, actually. You know?

Joey Rosen:

Alright. So we yeah.

Drew Beech:

For a good cause.

Joey Rosen:

We're we're good here. We're good here with the accessories. What else did I wanna mention today? Oh, yes. Today more than likely, will be the last day, I'm thinking, because it's getting warmer in Philly, that you see my beanie.

Drew Beech:

Dude, a lot

Joey Rosen:

of a

Drew Beech:

lot of listeners and followers of the and community members will be very upset to see the fisherman cap go.

Joey Rosen:

I think that I think that there's gonna be some upset, but there's gonna be some rejoicing too, I think. If

Drew Beech:

I've answered a lot of of, like, more than usual amount of DMs and and personal messages. Like, what's going on with Joey's BB style? Like, I and there's some that are positive. Like, they like the style. I think it's a good look.

Drew Beech:

Mhmm. But some people hate on the on the small beanie. I don't I don't get it. Yeah. I don't know.

Drew Beech:

I think the issue is it's not over my ears. Like, people really take offense to it. I'm like, man. But that's the fisherman cap style.

Joey Rosen:

That's what I'm thinking. You know?

Drew Beech:

You're you're a trendy trendy dude.

Joey Rosen:

Look. I'm trying. I'm trying.

Drew Beech:

Actually, it's it's it's more about decision fatigue, which is a real thing. Right? Mhmm. I mean, that's why you always see me in black. I always

Joey Rosen:

have the same headwear on for the most part because I'm hyper hyper vigilant about the quality of the decisions that I make every day.

Drew Beech:

So the ability for me

Joey Rosen:

to get up and know that I'm gonna wear all black, I'm gonna wear my beanie, I'm gonna there are less decisions I

Drew Beech:

have to make. Yeah. So less decisions I have

Joey Rosen:

to make, so that increases the quality of decisions I have to make later on in

Drew Beech:

the day. But, anyway, it's getting warmer. So I think that this will probably be one of the last shows. Season. Gonna be out of season.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. When unless I wanna sit here and sweat, which I really don't want to. Sweat enough sitting in a chair.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. So Yeah. Yeah. Well, Dan's got these new lights on. I feel it's kind of hot on there.

Joey Rosen:

You think so?

Drew Beech:

I like I like it. Yeah. I like it. It's kinda calming. We'll see

Joey Rosen:

if how my dome feels about it.

Drew Beech:

Mood lighting. Yeah. We'll see. So yeah.

Joey Rosen:

Alright. We got the beanie out of the way. Today, I wanted to talk about jiu jitsu. Something I'm clearly obsessed with.

Drew Beech:

I love that for us.

Joey Rosen:

Bruno, one of the few Mhmm. Part time jiu jitsu on Instagram. Great jiu jitsu skits. He just posted one the other day about, your need to talk about jujitsu, like, every, like, 3 minutes to somebody, family dinner, whatever, and that is me to a team.

Drew Beech:

Yep.

Joey Rosen:

And I I owe that obsession to Fuel Hunt in a lot of ways Mhmm. Because if it wasn't for Fuel Hunt, the community and some of our friends in the community, I would have never started.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. So we wanted

Joey Rosen:

to kinda talk about jiu jitsu today a bit, talk about our journey up to this point. Few years, we calculated how many years have we been practicing jiu jitsu?

Drew Beech:

About 2.

Joey Rosen:

Okay. I got it wrong. I said, like, 3 or

Drew Beech:

so.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. I mean, my eggs got scrambled a couple times, which we'll we'll talk, about. So maybe that's why I think I think we've got

Drew Beech:

an extra year under our belts when we don't.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. Yeah. So let's talk about jujitsu a little bit today. Down with that?

Drew Beech:

Yeah. I'm down. I have my first no. I would think funny for getting injured. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

At at Martinez, but I I have my first I mean, I obviously have bumps and bruises and and sprains and strains.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah.

Drew Beech:

My first, like, pretty rough, like,

Joey Rosen:

Fat lip?

Drew Beech:

Yeah. Fat lip. I had caught a jump on went to jump on a guillotine and caught a a dome to the the mouth. Yeah. And my inside my lip swell, like, swelled up.

Drew Beech:

I haven't had a fat lip since I was in, like, grade school.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah.

Drew Beech:

But, yeah, it was it hurt pretty bit. Like, I mean, I didn't I forgot how how bad the fat lip hurts. Do you

Joey Rosen:

wear a mouth guard?

Drew Beech:

No. I just bought a few.

Joey Rosen:

Okay.

Drew Beech:

So I'm gonna start probably they'll probably be there when I get home tonight. Yeah. I'm gonna size them up and just just precautionarily. I don't I never liked wearing them. Mhmm.

Drew Beech:

But

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. So when I to

Drew Beech:

be able to start because I thought I was nervous that my tooth was gonna be, like, through my lip

Joey Rosen:

Oh, for sure.

Drew Beech:

Or my tooth is gonna be gone.

Joey Rosen:

Oh, for sure.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. For sure. I when I first started practicing, I did not wear a mouth guard, and the same thing happened to me. Caught a head butt. I actually fractured my tooth, which I don't even know you could do.

Joey Rosen:

Mhmm. I fractured my tooth, so it was a little wiggly

Drew Beech:

Mhmm.

Joey Rosen:

But it actually ended up healing.

Drew Beech:

Oh, really?

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. It ended up healing, but that was the thing that pushed me to get one because I wasn't wearing one either. Yeah. You know? I don't wanna jump, like, right into the injuries.

Drew Beech:

No. That was yeah. Everyone should try this. Yeah. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

Everybody should try this.

Joey Rosen:

It's it's it's really great. Trust us. You get injured, but it's really great now. Now, It's it's kind of fitting that we started with the injuries because it's it's difficult, man. Like, you know, you're putting yourself out there in a lot of ways.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. Physically, yes, but also mentally. So we'll we'll get into all that. 2 years in, do you feel like this is something that you wish that you began to practice sooner in life, earlier in life?

Drew Beech:

Yeah. And I I feel as everybody says that too. Mhmm. Especially with the fact that I wrestled a little bit in high school, not very high level or or good at that at all, but wrestling changed my life in so many ways. Just being in the wrestling room every day with those guys and going through what we went through and just challenging ourselves physically and mentally on a daily basis made me a different human being than I was been before I started.

Drew Beech:

But when we were in the wrestling room before practice, like, messing around with some guys, I'd be like, oh, I learned this jiu jitsu or Mhmm. Jiu jitsu this or just do that. And I it never caught my interest, but I've heard the word. Sure. And then I mean, just to give you my interim story about how I got involved, I met Sean Brady and we headed off and just got closer and became friends.

Drew Beech:

And he was like, yo, you guys should make rash guards. Right? And I said, what's that?

Joey Rosen:

Yeah.

Drew Beech:

I mean, and that will tell that story later, but in that happening or transpiring is where my journey to jujitsu started. So I circling back, I was even more frustrated with the fact that I haven't heard about it and had wrestling experience before. Mhmm. And I didn't, I still didn't start. So I kind of kicked myself for not, not being more inquisitive sooner.

Joey Rosen:

Sure. Sure. Yes. I think that's an important life lesson. Right?

Joey Rosen:

I think it comes back to you were young. Yeah. Right? So, like, I think it comes back to awareness. Right?

Joey Rosen:

The more aware you can be and curious you can be at the earliest age possible, the better because you'll be able to seize opportunities in life. You know, you'll be able to see and seize more opportunities in life. Yeah. I, when I was commuting from Philly to Jersey for my first job in technology, there was this little building. It was like a row home on Delaware Ave underneath the 95 overpass, and it was next to, like, a psychic.

Joey Rosen:

It was, like, this little weird, like, 2 2 row homes in a, like, pretty industrial area, like, more towards, like, poor Richmond. And right next to the psychic, there was a place and it had a sign, and it said jujitsu.

Drew Beech:

Just just jujitsu on the sign.

Joey Rosen:

It just said jujitsu on the sign. We're this is going back. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. Dude, this is

Joey Rosen:

going back.

Drew Beech:

Well, you still see those today. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's

Joey Rosen:

And I remember driving by it and, like, looking off the overpass and being really curious about it and inquisitive. Like, hey. What, like, what is that?

Drew Beech:

Like, I

Joey Rosen:

knew it was martial art.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

But more so thinking, like, man, that's something I think I would like to do. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And I take my own advice.

Joey Rosen:

Like, I should have been a little bit more aware. I should have looked it up. I should have walked in the door because I too feel like I would have been, so much more productive as a human Yeah. Right, in in in all ways if I started jujitsu sooner.

Drew Beech:

I agree.

Joey Rosen:

You know?

Drew Beech:

I'd also be extremely nasty at Ju Jitsu by this point.

Joey Rosen:

Well, I mean, if everything went well Yeah.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

Probably That is 90 years later, a black belt.

Drew Beech:

That that is a good lesson though to take from this is if you try to pass something and you see a sign that looks intriguing, like, go in. You know what I mean? Stop the car and and and go.

Joey Rosen:

Depending on your belief, Chris Douglas has, like, a similar type story, man. Like, driving to and from, like, Penn State, I believe. And one day, saw an MMA gym and decided to walk in, stopped to walk

Drew Beech:

in. I believe I remember that.

Joey Rosen:

You you're right. It's important definitely, important life lesson, to be inquisitive and take the initiative. And depending on your belief system Yeah. Maybe your line of sight Yeah. Was pointed in that direction intentionally Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

By your higher power or something that you are attracting in the moment. Yep. So don't ignore the signs. Like, quite literally Exactly. For me, I shouldn't have ignored the sign, because there was something there telling me that you're gonna love this.

Joey Rosen:

This is for you.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. So I, I used the same thing. I used to drive past where I started, Semper Fi and May. K. Every day on Rawn Street.

Drew Beech:

I just felt like you always think, what is that? Or why is it called Semper Fi? That was my question too. Like, why was it named after Yep. Something like that, and I just never thought to go in.

Joey Rosen:

How long do you know how long when did, Semper Fi open? When did Julio open?

Drew Beech:

He always, Julio must have been there. Well, Sean Brady started there probably when he was, I think, I believe, like, twenties, like, early twenties he started.

Joey Rosen:

Okay. So what are we talking about?

Drew Beech:

Like So it's at least 2000s? At least 15 years, 20

Joey Rosen:

years probably. Because I I grew up, like, 3 blocks from Semper Fi.

Drew Beech:

Oh, yeah.

Joey Rosen:

Like, I used to walk that block every day to go to school. So I wonder if it was there at the time. Like, Rikers was there. Still probably

Drew Beech:

still there. Right? Still there. Rikers was there. I just don't know if

Joey Rosen:

Semper Fi was, but, yeah, wild. So your your story of how you got started is similar to mine. Right? Because it's through association. Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

You know what I mean? That's why

Drew Beech:

And I think I saw a lot of these. It's very rare. I feel as though in due to these kind of stories where it's like, oh, I just stopped in and got a got a waiver. You know what I mean? Mhmm.

Drew Beech:

It's if we didn't have people in our lives that suggest that we try this martial art or this

Joey Rosen:

Yep.

Drew Beech:

Life changing journey, then we probably wouldn't have.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. Because we no one in our family practices any martial art.

Drew Beech:

No. Mm-mm.

Joey Rosen:

And more street fighters. The bones are more street fighters.

Drew Beech:

We'll get into that. We'll get into that in other circles. Think we're crazy. So Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. So, yeah, we didn't have it in our families, you know, so it was, something that came to us through our fuel on family. Yep. You know what I mean? Since we didn't have it in our immediate family.

Joey Rosen:

I one one thing that I've said on a few shows is that I believe jujitsu is the ultimate personal development program. Would you agree with that?

Drew Beech:

I would agree a 100%. And that's why I I recommend anyone who has a kid to get them in the wrestling as early as possible. So my son wrestling or Oh, well, you get to. Yeah. Yep.

Drew Beech:

This, has been wrestling since he was 4 years old, and he's not I'm not saying he's the most strong willed, right, or knows how to overcome any adversity. But my goal with starting him in that is to build a resilient young human. Right? Like, I know that if you get your head bounced off a mat day in and day out and can overcome that challenge with adversity Mhmm. It prepares you for life.

Drew Beech:

And when you go when you're gonna get your head bounced off the mat in life

Joey Rosen:

Yep.

Drew Beech:

Yep. So that's why I started him young. And does a small part of me want him to be a state champion that I never was? Potentially. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

I think that

Joey Rosen:

I think that's natural. I agree with you. I'm gonna get my daughters, started this summer in jujitsu, 7 and at 7 and 4.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. Cecilia,

Joey Rosen:

I believe Cecilia needs to be 5. So she'll turn 5, and then they'll they'll both go in. And they're pretty much, like, I have them in the basement now on the mats. Yeah. They're pretty much, like, wrestling each other.

Joey Rosen:

You know, they're very, like I don't wanna say aggressive, like my daughters, but they

Drew Beech:

they kinda are. Physical. Yeah. They're very physical.

Joey Rosen:

So I I believe that they're they're really gonna enjoy it as much as someone that young can enjoy will enjoy it.

Drew Beech:

It's just interesting because Parker has gone through phases with wrestling. Right? Because it's hard. It's hard to get your head above all the mat and then show up the next day.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. So

Drew Beech:

I said, okay. Let me try this jujitsu thing with with him. And I took him to jujitsu, and he's like, I love this. And this and, obviously, you know, we trained almost every day. Mhmm.

Drew Beech:

But something about jujitsu for kids or at least the kids that take to it, they move so freely and fluidly because they're not thinking about, oh my god. What if I mess up? They're just doing jujitsu and and go with what their body is telling them to do. Yeah. So the way they can figure out certain solutions without even know they're figuring them out is is crazy.

Joey Rosen:

I this is not a scientific fact. This is just my opinion. Everybody can leave comments if if I'm right or if I'm wrong. But I feel like as adults, as adolescents and adults, we have to work to become body aware. Mhmm.

Joey Rosen:

Right? Like, when it comes to things like strength training with squatting and deadlifting or when it comes to practicing martial arts or wrestling, like, we have to work to become body aware because as life goes on, we've conditioned ourselves in certain movement patterns

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

Or lack thereof. Yeah. Just like straight up sitting all day. Yeah. So we have to really work to, like, undo that.

Drew Beech:

Oh, yeah.

Joey Rosen:

But I feel like maybe and again, maybe it's it's not a scientific fact. Maybe it is. I don't know. But I feel like the youth, they haven't lost that body awareness.

Drew Beech:

No. They can actually move. Most of them I mean, obviously, some of the kids there can't because they're already Yeah. Yeah. Developing poor habits.

Joey Rosen:

Poor habits. Yep.

Drew Beech:

But, the way most kids or or a lot of kids can can move is just way better than any adult you'll see in class. Right? Like, Parker can sit in that squat. Parker sometimes sits in that squat for to eat dinner.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah.

Drew Beech:

Like Yep. Which I'm sure Cilio or I believe can too. But Yep. We've really just developed those patterns over time. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

And and it sets us back.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. I think it's like anything. Like, the sooner you can get into the youth with good physical or mental habits, the better. The more they'll be prepared, you know, for for life. For him to go into jiu jitsu and be, like, oh, I love this.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. That says a testament in itself.

Drew Beech:

Did did he also enjoy does he also enjoy choking kids out? Yeah. Potentially. Oh, yeah. I mean, maybe

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. Yeah. But that's that's that's part of it.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. You know what

Joey Rosen:

I mean? That's that's part of it. It's confidence

Drew Beech:

builder.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. It's all rooted in that. Right? Yeah. You know, I don't know if it's even so much the fact that he's putting some someone to sleep.

Joey Rosen:

It's more so the fact that he's capable. Yeah. And the fact that he can control that capability.

Drew Beech:

I'll tell you what, it also teaches youth how to lose too because that's another one. Right? We I see a lot of kids nowadays. They they they hate losing so much and and everybody's a winner. And that's because of the culture we built.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. Co because it's fine line. Right? I mean, you see adults, adolescents and adults the same way. And they're like, I hate to lose.

Joey Rosen:

I hate to and I'm like, I get that, but there's a line where losing isn't necessary. Yep. You know what I mean? Because then you'll never win. And that's just a straight up truth.

Drew Beech:

Yep.

Joey Rosen:

How many times have we said, that sounds cliche, bud. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yep. It's it's it's the absolute absolute truth.

Joey Rosen:

Absolute truth. There's some lessons. So we are not you know, we're a few years into practicing. We're blue blue belts lowly blue belts.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

We're not qualified to give advice.

Drew Beech:

This is not I I would not say this is a jujitsu advice podcast. No. No. No. This is not a this is not a show

Joey Rosen:

for jujitsu advice. What we can do is we can talk about our experiences though at white belt. And to the other white belts out there, maybe it'll offer them some, I was gonna say comfort, but some confidence that it does get better with consistency

Drew Beech:

Mhmm.

Joey Rosen:

And and practice. So, yeah, let's talk about our our white belt journeys a bit. Mine was mine was pretty bumpy, man. I'm in a, I'm in a competition school. I'm in a very tough room at Martinez BJJ in Philadelphia, not too far from here.

Joey Rosen:

Very tough room. Just anybody that walks into Martinez, especially somebody that walks in and just sign a waiver to, like, hit the mats that happened last last week, I have great respect for.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

You know what I mean?

Drew Beech:

Because we

Joey Rosen:

have a reputation and,

Drew Beech:

what type of have students there that are just, like, a mother of 3 it's like a house what do you call it?

Joey Rosen:

Hobbyist? Yeah.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

I mean, to to a degree since I have yet to compete. I mean, I even consider myself a hobbyist. But

Drew Beech:

Oh, you're a hobbyist that goes hard.

Joey Rosen:

Right? So that's that's

Drew Beech:

where I'm going. People on the other end of the spectrum that

Joey Rosen:

Not really.

Drew Beech:

Everyone goes hard? Like, even the the housewife of 3 or

Joey Rosen:

Whatever whatever your background, whatever your responsibilities in life, whatever stage of life you're at, like, when you have Martinez, you go hard.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. You know what I mean?

Joey Rosen:

And it's it's it's infectious. Like, when you walk in, you can feel it. You know, it's it's similar to Marquez. You walk into Marquez. You can feel you can feel what's going

Drew Beech:

on there. My mom wanted to talk to jiu jitsu. I wouldn't send her to Martinez.

Joey Rosen:

I don't wanna say no. Because because your mom has the material to work hard. Right? Like, that's

Drew Beech:

her

Joey Rosen:

like, she's a bit tenacious, man.

Drew Beech:

I would say, like, she's got some tenacity

Joey Rosen:

in her, so I think Martinez would be a good fit. If you're not if you're not going to come to work hard and give your best, not only for yourself on the mats, but for your teammates on the mats, then it's not the place for you. But I would argue that all schools should be that way.

Drew Beech:

I would agree. You know? Does anyone not train live if their class or everyone train live?

Joey Rosen:

Everybody trains live.

Drew Beech:

That's so and not to jump around here, but starting in September 5, then moved outside of the city, go to Gracie Baja, Newtown now. It's their culture is jujitsu for everybody. Yep. So not Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

I love it.

Drew Beech:

There's only a, like, one of the class of 30:30 plus. Mhmm. But only 10 to 15 of us stay for the live rules after class. Oh, wow. After it.

Drew Beech:

And and only out of those 10 to 15, only 10 of us actually go hard.

Joey Rosen:

So so what do you do? You do do you drill and then you do positional rounds and then go live? Mhmm. Interesting.

Drew Beech:

Positional rounds, not too many.

Joey Rosen:

So how do you That'll

Drew Beech:

be for a big class. And then there's different classes with different professors that

Joey Rosen:

Interesting.

Drew Beech:

Have a would like Mondays Fridays, well, like, more of a less wrestling live or, like, live positionals.

Joey Rosen:

I think that it's, you know, at the end of the day, it's relative. Right? So, like, you have to give and take, you know, what you need from the practice. Yeah. And I think maybe at your school

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

That allows maybe hobbyist

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

Right, to to give and take in a way that's more comfortable for them. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Martinez, we go hard, man.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. Yeah. Everybody goes live, And, yeah. No rounds off. Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

No rounds off. I, I, in the beginning, struggled to, like, for years, I I did endurance stuff, like, you know, cycling, then I got into power lifting and things like that. Like so jujitsu for me was something brand new. Like, that level of body awareness, I just didn't have when I started.

Drew Beech:

It it lets you know your deficiencies too. Like, I know that my main priority nowadays is core strength. Mhmm. The hip power. That's all I not all I work on in the gym, but Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah.

Drew Beech:

I'm I'm always ending or fit or starting on, of course, I'm gonna hit power because that guard retention is

Joey Rosen:

Yeah.

Drew Beech:

Top priority.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. Yeah. So I, I I just didn't have it. Like, you've seen me squat and dead lift. Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

Like, I have very good awareness with those things. Yeah. This is very different. Yeah. So when I went in, I was a fish out of water for, like, for real.

Joey Rosen:

And that's how I kinda messed myself up. Yeah. You know, the 1st 6 months were a little bumpy for me. I

Drew Beech:

With injuries.

Joey Rosen:

Were first yeah. 1st year, I would say. So, yeah, I fractured my tooth because I wasn't wearing a mouth guard. Right? Mhmm.

Joey Rosen:

You know, stupid. And then I, fractured one of my orbitals, you know, d path, fractured an orbital. Then I fractured my other orbital. So I had 2 skull fractures. Like, it was it was pretty it was pretty wild.

Joey Rosen:

You know? Everyone in my family was like, what are you doing to yourself? Why are you doing this? And

Drew Beech:

The fracture orbital was pretty bad too. Like, it was

Joey Rosen:

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They were they were nasty. I mean, fortunately, no surgery, but they were nasty. They were very nasty.

Joey Rosen:

And it's just like freak accidents.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

You know, I I put it on myself because I own it. Like, if I was more body aware and I had more awareness to protect myself and in the position instead of just advance

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

This is these are the things you learn in

Drew Beech:

the beginning. Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. Instead of just consistently trying to advance

Drew Beech:

Mhmm.

Joey Rosen:

Then I would have been able to, you know, dodge them

Drew Beech:

Oh, yeah.

Joey Rosen:

In ease, but I wasn't able to, you know Exactly. Experimenting in positions that I don't think I was quite qualified for

Drew Beech:

at the moment. Yeah. And I I just called someone up to has a at that point of the journey, like, in which it happened to you, Deepav is like, Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

Well, you know you know me. Like, how Yeah. You know you know how I work. Like, I get a hold of a concept and I'm like, I

Drew Beech:

The other Jaya kid in class was, it was a bigger class on a Tuesday night. And he said, does that does that we were learning something, and he was like, does that move work for for with Casa Casakatami? Yeah. And he was a brand new white belt, like really one shirt. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

And he was like, what? Like, what I'd rather like, what is like because the the question don't make sense. And, from what he was asking it for. Sure. And he was like, well, I heard on YouTube.

Drew Beech:

And he was like I mean It's just out there.

Joey Rosen:

It's natural. I mean, nowadays, it's what we're surrounded with. But, like anything, I think that in person instruction from someone that you trust, right, and keeping it simple is the way to go. You can go down the rabbit hole or the wormhole of all the, 60 second instructionals on Instagram or whatever. It's it's not gonna get you anywhere.

Joey Rosen:

Focus on the fundamentals. Just like life.

Drew Beech:

I have about a 100 saved instructional reels probably, and I've used about probably 1 1% now.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. 1% is is good odds, actually. I probably

Drew Beech:

have a 1000 of those. The hell that we I've used 0%. I've used 0%.

Joey Rosen:

I'm big on fundamentals, man, so that's kinda where I'm where I'm sticking these days. Yeah. You know? Yeah. So, yes.

Joey Rosen:

So shout out to Sean Brady for getting you started, for then, by extension, getting me started and then shout to the Dogus Brothers, Chris and Kyle for welcoming me into Martinez. Yeah. So, if it wasn't for fuel hunt, I wouldn't have found, one of the greatest loves of my life Yeah. At this point.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. Yeah. You always said too when you were before you saw it, you're like, I'm gonna love this. I you're like, I know I am.

Joey Rosen:

It's just so challenging and I love a challenge. Like, a physical and mental challenge, I love. And I think this is probably the the the pinnacle of physical and mental challenge wrapped into 1.

Drew Beech:

Exactly. I I was talking to my wife, Amanda, the other day and I was like, I'm not. I'm training jujitsu all the time, 4, 5 days a week. I was like, man, you would think I'd be good at this. Like, I got my mom all the time.

Drew Beech:

I mean, I you would think I would tell you that I just tapped, like, 10, 20 guys every night. And I was like, I feel as though that's the reason why I love jiu jitsu so much is because no matter even how good you are or bad you are, like, there's always someone better than you. Yeah. And there's all you're always gonna be humble. And I think that's a constant

Joey Rosen:

Yeah.

Drew Beech:

Never ending personal development tool. Mhmm. And that's the reason why you and I love it so much.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. In in life, you need as humans, we need a certain amount of certainty

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

And a certain amount of uncertainty.

Drew Beech:

Exactly.

Joey Rosen:

And jiu jitsu provides both to keep you engaged and, like, on the path.

Drew Beech:

I would love to be the guy. Just have everybody out in the room, though. That would be nice.

Joey Rosen:

I don't know if he would. I don't know if he would. Maybe for, like, a day.

Drew Beech:

Maybe for a day. Exactly. Yeah. Maybe for

Joey Rosen:

a day. Yeah. Maybe for a day. What so is there from your your your journey from white belt to blue belt, are there a few things that you'd like to because well, let me rewind. We have so many eagles in the community that are starting to practice jujitsu simply for the fact that we are a hard work and now, like, jujitsu community as well.

Joey Rosen:

Like, you kind of a good portion of our community practices a martial art or MMA. So now our fellow Eagles that did not practice martial arts previously are now being opened up to it and starting.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

I hear I I don't know about you in the DMs because you're in DMs all the time, but I hear from Eagles all the time. They're like, hey, look, you guys, the community were were so and so Eagle

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

In the community. I've been watching them, their journey in jujitsu, and it's inspired me to start to. I'm going to my first class, you know, this Thursday. Yeah. I hear all the time.

Drew Beech:

Oh, yeah. So many new white belts in the DMs that are just constantly, like, and and they go hard too. Like, they're these these new white belts that are just starting out Mhmm. Or just starting on the journey, they're, like, getting after it. And that's my my one piece of advice before we get into this topic.

Drew Beech:

Mhmm. But frame, we're just starting out. I let things get in the way of my training early on, and I was and I always had Sean call me, like, every other day. You trained today? You trained today?

Drew Beech:

You trained today? Like, the one we post the eagle we posted last night.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

But I needed that. And I'm usually the one holding everyone else accountable. Right? Like, the people we are in life, being a leader, I'm always checking on people to make sure they're doing things I know are gonna better than, but I let myself make excuses. Because obviously I would work out and do other things, but the I for some reason, I don't know if it's a subconscious thing Mhmm.

Drew Beech:

Or whatnot. But I let other things get in the way of my training, and I wish I didn't.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. And In the beginning, you're saying?

Drew Beech:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's hard in the beginning too because you know you know nothing. So it's not fun.

Drew Beech:

Like, now it's fun for us because, yes, we get our our lickings, but Yeah. At least we know a thing or 2. Yep. Mhmm. And things are making sense, but nothing makes sense.

Drew Beech:

It just hurts. And

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. Your first, your first, like, 3 months of just depending on how often you're training of just getting crushed inside control Yeah. Like, doesn't doesn't feel great.

Drew Beech:

Exactly. Exactly.

Joey Rosen:

They're great. But now Physically or not, you

Drew Beech:

still get crushed inside control. But at least you know Yep. Why you're getting cross inside control. Yeah. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

So, if I could go back, one thing I would change is that I would be as consistent as I am today then because I probably would have been 10 times better than I am now

Joey Rosen:

Sure.

Drew Beech:

If I if I was.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. I'd I'd echo that one one piece of guidance for community members that are just starting that I think is is probably the core piece of guidance is consistency. Like, train at least twice a week and don't miss. Yeah. You know?

Drew Beech:

At least.

Joey Rosen:

At least.

Drew Beech:

At least.

Joey Rosen:

Now I'm at 4 times, you know, a week. I would train more.

Drew Beech:

Do you think that's natural that you train more as you get further along in the journey.

Joey Rosen:

Oh, of course.

Drew Beech:

I've definitely seen some white belts though at my school that they're training a shit ton. Mhmm. So I mean, maybe not. But I don't know. It seems natural that it's like, oh, this starting to make sense.

Drew Beech:

These things are starting to unlock. I'm starting to have a little bit of success. Yep. I'll train more. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

I'll train more.

Joey Rosen:

I think so. As long as, you know, you can put the pieces together in your life to facilitate the training because it's time for now. Right? So other things have to change. It's like anything.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

You know, the investment needs to be made. So you need to stop doing some things Mhmm. In order for you to train more.

Drew Beech:

Can't say yes to all things. Say yes to one thing, say no to something else.

Joey Rosen:

Yep.

Drew Beech:

That is a challenge too for maybe, like, strength training and and, fitness training. Is that, like, I want you wanna do all of them every day, but it's literally impossible.

Joey Rosen:

Yep. I mean, candidly, like, I was flirting with sobriety for a little while, like, not drinking anymore for I say a little while for, like, multiple years actually since 2020. And jujitsu was one of the things that, if not the thing, that pushed me over the edge.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

Like, you know, at my age, even just casual drinking, like, once or twice a month, like, I can't afford that. I can't afford to be off my game because I wanna be on the mats. Yeah. You know what I mean? So

Drew Beech:

It always gives you a why. Right? I'm not sure why can't it outlast anyhow, but that you actually have something to be in shape for now or something to be at at the peak of your fitness for. Mhmm. So the thought of putting anything in your body like that just doesn't seem it just it's just doesn't seem logical.

Joey Rosen:

Yep. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And you I think you you also really start to understand the difference between wants and needs.

Joey Rosen:

Like, what you actually need in life versus what you just want, specifically when it comes to, like, material things. There's nothing wrong with material things, but I think jiu jitsu teaches you very quickly that there are so many more things that are much more valuable than things of material that you may have wanted or desired previously.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

Like, when you practice for a little while and the human that you start to become, you realize your innate needs of, you know, wanting to be respected, wanting to be confident, capable, wanting to serve others, wanting to give respect to others, like, those needs you become acutely aware of them and they start to everything else starts to fall

Drew Beech:

away. Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense?

Drew Beech:

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

So consistency, 1st and foremost, at least twice a week. Right? You'd say for

Drew Beech:

At least.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. And it sounds like I was super consistent right out of the gate because, like you said, in the beginning, I knew I was like, I'm gonna love this.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

And I just I wanted to do it all the time. So I had that on my side. In the beginning for you, there's a little bit there's a little rock in the beginning before you settled in your consistency. I think that story is probably the story that most people will

Drew Beech:

Oh, yeah.

Joey Rosen:

Will share. I'm I I I like love pain. It shouldn't be a surprise to to you or to the Eagles that are watching and listening. So for me in the beginning, I was just like, I'm into this, like, whatever. Like, fracture orbital, floating cartilage in my ribs, you know, fractured tooth.

Joey Rosen:

I'm like, I'm there. Yeah. You know? So, consistency, 1st and foremost. Second thing that, I would say is it's it's kinda twofold.

Joey Rosen:

Have a a singular goal or a singular thing that you wanna work on

Drew Beech:

Yep.

Joey Rosen:

Every class. So don't go down the vortex of 60 second Instagram and pick out, like, all this complex stuff that you not don't know how to do, and then you're gonna go in there and try to hit it. Keep it simple. One thing per class that you're gonna work on. Right?

Joey Rosen:

Could be, you know, what's being taught that day. Mhmm. For me, it's usually something else. It's usually something that was taught in a previous class that I know I need to work on, or it could be something as simple as breathing.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

You know? Okay. Today, I'm gonna go on. I'm gonna focus on my breathing. So have that singular goal and to back that up.

Joey Rosen:

This is the second the second part of it is for me, every time I hit the mats, the goal for me and this is gonna sound like one of those things, and I'm probably gonna get some heat for it. But the goal for me is not the goal for me is to learn not to win. Yeah. Straight up. Now I'm not saying that I'm not giving my best when I'm there because my teammates know.

Joey Rosen:

They know I'm the, sometimes I'm not the first on the mat because I'm a little late because I'm coming for HQ and it's a little crazy, but I'm always the last leaf. Yeah. You know what I mean? But my my goal is to learn. Go in there, work hard, give my best to not only my teammates but myself and learn from it, not to win.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

So complete removal of ego, I think, is really what it comes down to.

Drew Beech:

That's a good advice too for someone just starting to because Yeah. Those new guys come in, they try and rip everybody's heads off. It's natural though. Yeah. Exactly.

Drew Beech:

I was like, oh, yeah. I was like,

Joey Rosen:

Plus, you you know, you're in a state of, you know, fight and flight. Like, literally, like, your nervous system is, like, especially if you're new to this, like, you're being attacked by a full grown human. You're like, what is going on here? Your knee jerk reaction is to win.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

Survive. Right? But that was one of the biggest learnings for me, like, no pun intended. When I sat there and said, okay, I wanna focus on one thing per class. Could be as simple as breathing, not losing my s when I'm in getting crushed inside control.

Joey Rosen:

You know, breathe through my belly, try to make space. You know

Drew Beech:

what I mean?

Joey Rosen:

And also that I'm not there to win. I'm there to learn. And with learning comes winning. Like, that's the way I look at it. Like, I will learn every day and then every once in a while, I will win.

Joey Rosen:

Yep. But the the getting crushed and getting tapped, teaches me more than the winning ever did. Yeah. I'm almost disappointed now. Like, I love it when I go and I have a good class

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

When, you know, I'm in a winning position most of the time. Yeah. But I also kind of

Drew Beech:

feel like I'm a little bit afraid. Anything today.

Joey Rosen:

Right. I kinda feel a little deflated afterwards. Yeah. You know?

Drew Beech:

There's a good follow on Instagram, Max Hu. Do you just do Hu? You know him? No. No.

Drew Beech:

He, mainly focuses on white belt movements, but he like you said, like, focus on an objective rather than trying to win the round. Yes. And a couple of things he says, like, maintaining inside position, working inside, end of levers Mhmm. And also getting your knees to your chest when you're on bottom, like, any way you can. Yep.

Drew Beech:

Like, there is big three things.

Joey Rosen:

Nice. Nice.

Drew Beech:

But yeah. So huge shout out just for, Jujutsu Hu.

Joey Rosen:

Got you. Got you. So how about another, so you just gave us a couple from him. How about how about any any other advice you have?

Drew Beech:

Yeah. I was gonna go with that out there. The, like you said, not trying to win every round because being that guy, that super aggressive, spazzy guy Mhmm. Where that just belongs in and wants to literally kill everybody without any type of skill or knowledge of the martial art. Right?

Drew Beech:

Like, that guy can get it could just be the the person that everyone turns down the roles with. Right? Like, you don't wanna be that guy in the gym that's ripping submissions too hard or Sure. Even just being too spazzy and aggressive. Mhmm.

Drew Beech:

So I would say, like you said, focus on learning the martial art, learning how to do things.

Joey Rosen:

I think there's a way that you can kind of, like, do both. Right? Yeah. Like, you can come from you have to know your partners. Your training partners.

Joey Rosen:

Right? And as you're there longer and longer, you know not just their game, but you know the speed with which they work and how they work. So you can work with them and and you can dial up the

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

The level of aggression a little bit, but you can do it in such a way where Yeah. You're not a spaz.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. Yeah. I agree with that. But I was the spazzy in the sense of taking things to another level. We'll say it.

Drew Beech:

Like Oh,

Joey Rosen:

yeah. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

Like, not to like, go hard level. Like,

Joey Rosen:

I Okay. I got you. Yes. I got you. I got you.

Drew Beech:

They could definitely go hard. But Yeah. Like the guys we've talked about at our respective.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. I got you. I got you. Yeah. I mean, at the at the end of the day, like, I need jiu jitsu.

Joey Rosen:

I've said that to you before. Like, I need it for my well-being at this

Drew Beech:

point. Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

So I'm going to pick and choose my partners, you know, most of fortunately, at my school, I don't have to worry about that. Yeah. But, you know, if I'm out in the in the open, you know what I mean? I'm gonna I'm gonna pick and choose my partners because I wanna practice till the end of my days. Exactly.

Joey Rosen:

My goal is to have my black belt one day. Yeah. Decades. You know? So you're in for you're in for the long haul too.

Drew Beech:

Exactly. Exactly. The key is longevity in the sport too. Right?

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. Well, that actually hits on the the third thing final thing that I wanted to mention. And I kinda hit on it a bit ago, about, you know, sobriety and not drinking and things like that. Like, one thing I think that's overlooked is everything that you do outside of your school affects what you're gonna do inside your school, your training, your nutrition, everything. And if you want if you're having a if you're having an issue with consistency with your diet or your training, like fit like strength training

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

Get in jujitsu because it'll fix it real quick. Yeah. Because you start to become very aware of the small decisions you make on a daily basis that impact who you are when you show up to the mats.

Drew Beech:

And that would apply to almost anything in life. Right? Like, that's why I live the way I do and where some people think I'm crazy. But, from a for those of you who don't know, like, from a, for lack of a better word, biohacking perspective, I like to focus a lot of my effort, energy, and attention on my health and doing things to improve it. Yep.

Drew Beech:

It's because I have a lot I wanna be sharp for, a lot I wanna be good. I wanna show up every day for you, my family, and jujitsu. Mhmm. The best possible version of myself. So when people ask me, like, Arden, why are you gonna eat pizza?

Drew Beech:

Yeah. And that's why.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. It's what you just said sounds really familiar. Like, basically, the 3 things I do in life, family fuel, 100%.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like I was talking to Dane about that before the episode.

Drew Beech:

I was like Yep. It's really all we do. So I mean, that's Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

And we, like, we we want to be totally optimized and enjoy being totally optimized for those three things.

Drew Beech:

You know? Exactly.

Joey Rosen:

Serve our our family, serve our community, right, serve our teammates on the mats.

Drew Beech:

As the few do. Right? Mhmm. That's

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. So, I I mentioned earlier that jujitsu is the ultimate personal development program.

Joey Rosen:

You said you agree. Right?

Drew Beech:

I would definitely agree.

Joey Rosen:

We have needs as humans. Right? Certain core needs. And depending on who you subscribe to, they're described a little bit differently. Right?

Joey Rosen:

I'm a big Maslow guy. Are you familiar with Maslow? Maslow's hierarchy of needs?

Drew Beech:

Yes.

Joey Rosen:

American yeah. My American psychologist, humanist, person that, you know, how can I describe, sees the positive and the best in people, believes that

Drew Beech:

they're inherently worthy,

Joey Rosen:

also believes that the also believes that the goal in life is an understanding of self? Right? And then to eventually transcend self.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

So I have Maslow's hierarchy of needs

Drew Beech:

here. Wondering what the I I have. What it was for?

Joey Rosen:

I I have this here. I have in case you've never seen it

Drew Beech:

No. Before. Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

Right? So I wanted to talk a little bit about, in this, I will close the show exactly why jiu jitsu I believe jiu jitsu is the, the ultimate personal development program.

Drew Beech:

Hit me.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. So we're gonna go through, the hierarchy of needs. And you tell me, like, agree or disagree that jiu jitsu meets this need. Yeah. We'll do a little you know, we're just gonna do a little back and forth here.

Drew Beech:

We used to do a game every every, other episodes.

Joey Rosen:

Alright. So, if you are not familiar with the hierarchy of needs, it starts, it's triangle. Right? It's pyramid and has a base, and then it moves all the way up into self actualization and then also self transcendence. Right?

Joey Rosen:

So we'll take a little tour through the pyramid and talk about jujitsu at each level of the pyramid. Just to really hammer home my point as to why it's the ultimate personal development program. I used to say entrepreneurship is, but we won't we won't go down that

Drew Beech:

rabbit hole. To say that.

Joey Rosen:

And I still believe it is, but I think that there's a really strong case that jiu jitsu is. So if you're looking and if you're listening or you're watching right now, you're looking to grow.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

Like that's what fuel hunt is.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

You know what I mean?

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

So, you're looking to grow as a person for yourself and those you love, you should consider jiu jitsu, and this is why. Alright. So let's start at the bottom. There's a a physiological tier, right, which is like breathing, food, water, sleep, like the base needs, right? Deficiency needs, right?

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. I believe that jujitsu, practicing jujitsu meets those needs because it forces you to dial them in. Yeah. We were just talking about. Right?

Drew Beech:

I agree. And you also learn how to do things like breathe under pressure or breathe when you have a a 200 pound man on top of you.

Joey Rosen:

Right. Right. Exactly. So, you know, food, water, sleep, breath, water, sleep.

Drew Beech:

Get put to sleep.

Joey Rosen:

Right. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. If you choose not to sleep well and have great sleep hygiene at home, you will get put to sleep Exactly.

Joey Rosen:

On the mat. Exactly. So we will check that box too. So that's an easy that's an easy one too.

Drew Beech:

The best lamp I've forgotten, Adam. Yeah. That it was it was clever.

Joey Rosen:

It was very clever, dude. And I'm kinda like, man, how did I not see that?

Drew Beech:

You know what I'm saying? I see that. It was

Joey Rosen:

very clever. Alright. Next tier of the pyramid here. Again, this is kind of a this is probably gonna seem obvious to you, right, as we go through these, but I really wanted to hammer the point home. Next tier of the pyramid is safety.

Joey Rosen:

Right? So this is security of body, family, health, property, things like that.

Drew Beech:

Yep.

Joey Rosen:

Undoubtedly, jujitsu, not only gives you the feeling of safety, but also prepares you to keep yourself and your family safe, your property, everything.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. That's why I wanted Parker to get into jujitsu so bad my son is because you see all these videos of these kids fighting nowadays. And again Yep. You could argue that it's always been like that, and we just see it now or whatnot. So I was like, I'm gonna make sure this kid can defend himself because I didn't have the greatest high school experience because I was I don't know.

Drew Beech:

I'd I'd I was bullied

Joey Rosen:

and Yep.

Drew Beech:

Afraid at times too. Like, if I was but I know that he'll have the confidence to at least stand up for himself.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. But I got my lunch fed to me over and over again in school.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

You know what I mean? I was, you know, growing up a little bit nerdy. I was well liked.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. But I

Joey Rosen:

was a little bit nerdy, man. And, like, bullies, like, they can smell that on

Drew Beech:

me. Exactly.

Joey Rosen:

You know? And if like, the kids that beat beat my tail in, I can't even say I can't curse, they beat my tail in every day. You know, they had, like, rough they had rough situations at home and they were looking to escape the pain and make other people feel that pain to level out. And, dude, I got got my lunch fed to me for for years, man, you know. And it it did a it did a number on me.

Joey Rosen:

So I think of that too with my girls, you know, getting them involved in jujitsu, this summer because I want them to feel not only feel safe, but have the the capability to keep themselves and those they love safe.

Drew Beech:

Exactly.

Joey Rosen:

You know? Alright. Next, so no no objections so far.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. No. We're going

Joey Rosen:

through this pyramid. We're checking all these boxes. And, basically, if you wanna distill it down to one word, it's like fulfillment. Yeah. Feeling fulfilled as a human.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. Right? So, let's take the the next tier of the pyramid here. Love and belonging. Specifically, you know, we can focus on belonging with friendship and family.

Drew Beech:

A 100%. And I the one thing I say about relationships in general, I said it to you the other day, but it's my belief that the people you grow the closest with are the people that you overcome adversity with. Mhmm. And I think that's why I believe my marriage is so strong. Our friendship is so strong.

Drew Beech:

Our brotherhood is so strong.

Joey Rosen:

Mhmm.

Drew Beech:

And the relationships with the people you train with every day are so strong is because every day you come in and you're all battling adversity together Mhmm. And doing hard things together. Yep. So I would agree with that one.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. I would agree. I think that that's probably, you know, physiological from a physiological standpoint and a safety standpoint, they're definitely, like, boxes that are checked, you know, but this belonging. Yeah. You know, every human has the natural need to belong.

Joey Rosen:

And I think jujitsu does an amazing job of satisfying that need when you show up consistently. And it's because of what you go through together. You go through adversity on the mats. Right? And that definitely bonds you together.

Joey Rosen:

But there's another I think there's another aspect to it, and that is the fact that everybody that shows up that day, each and every one of your teammates that shows up on that mat, they're not having the best day after.

Drew Beech:

No.

Joey Rosen:

There was adversity before they walked in the door of the school, but they all chose to overcome it, to get to school, to go through more of it with you and

Drew Beech:

me and

Joey Rosen:

the other teammates.

Drew Beech:

Yep.

Joey Rosen:

So I think that that is that's like cement,

Drew Beech:

man. Yeah. I agree.

Joey Rosen:

That's like cement. So it's the adversity on the mats, but it's also what you've overcome to get to the mats those that day. You know? So from from a friendship and a family and a belonging and bonding standpoint, I think that that, you know, jujitsu checks that box.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

Crazy, crazy checks the box. When you do something super hard, especially when you're literally fighting another full grown human, When you do something super hard together like that, there's a lot of energy release. And I that's what I believe bonds people together. It's that release of energy.

Drew Beech:

It's the same type of And

Joey Rosen:

The few fests. Yeah. It's the same type of thing.

Drew Beech:

Oh, yeah. You know? And I was gonna make this point too. Parker did a tournament. Not to talk about Parker the whole time, but he did a tournament a couple months ago.

Drew Beech:

Mhmm. And the kid that he was in the 1st place match with after as I walk up to the podium, he, like, kinda, like, gave him, like, a pat on the back, a little hug. Oh, yeah. And it's because there was a mutual respect Uh-huh. Between 2 boys that were doing something super hard together.

Drew Beech:

Just tried to literally enforce their will onto each other. But after it was over, it was like, okay. Like, I I have respect for you. Like, they they had a bond and they just met. Right?

Joey Rosen:

Yep. Yeah. I think it accelerates that bond much like any other if you wanna say sport or anything like that. Yeah. I would say accelerates that that bond between competitors.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

Right? It's one thing to have that bond with your teammates. But between competitors, I think that, more than any other sport, really.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. It's like in the UFC, you see those guys Yeah. Like, after like, a lot of times, if they've they've just been beefing up until the fight, and then after the fact, they're

Joey Rosen:

Yep.

Drew Beech:

Hugging it out. And we're like, oh, why why are they so lovey dovey after the, the fun because they just there's a mutual respect.

Joey Rosen:

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They know that there are, no pun intended or pun intended, there are few people Mhmm. That will do what they just did.

Joey Rosen:

Right? And that's it I think any level but especially at the professional level. Yeah. There are few people out there that will do what they just did. So why would they not respect each other for that?

Drew Beech:

Exactly. I

Joey Rosen:

agree. Alright. We're get we're climbing higher, dude. We're climbing higher here. Alright.

Joey Rosen:

Next next layer is esteem. Right? So this is confidence, self esteem, respect of others, respect of self, achievement, things like that. Does jiu jitsu check that box?

Drew Beech:

Sometimes. Sometimes. Yeah. I would say so. I mean, there is a lot of showing up and and not having success.

Drew Beech:

Right? Mhmm. But I believe that the times you do have success may make up for all of those, like, all those beatings.

Joey Rosen:

Can you be can you do you do you believe that you can be confident without going through adversity?

Drew Beech:

Literally though.

Joey Rosen:

Can you feel achievement without going through adversity?

Drew Beech:

Literally though.

Joey Rosen:

Can you have a high opinion of yourself? A real one? Not this, like, you know, manufacture, only God can judge me mentality.

Drew Beech:

No. It's impossible. You can't

Joey Rosen:

have the things at this layer of the pyramid without going through

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

The adversity.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

I wanna say other words, but I can't swear.

Drew Beech:

No. I agree.

Joey Rosen:

I agree. So, I I've never felt more confident in my life than I have over the past few years of practicing jiu jitsu.

Drew Beech:

I agree.

Joey Rosen:

And we've both done notable things in our lives. Right? We didn't go into jiu jitsu completely unconfident, but the level of confidence that I've received from jiu jitsu is a level that I've never experienced in my life before no matter what I did.

Drew Beech:

I would agree. I would agree. Yeah. It's like we I remember and this is a cringey thing. I said, what?

Drew Beech:

We're talking, like, Thanksgiving, like, 2 years ago. I literally just got, like, my first stripe. Yeah. And I was like, Amanda, like, how does it feel that I could, like, kill your whole family? Like, with my bare ass.

Drew Beech:

Oh, that's all. And she was like, Drew, just a white belly.

Joey Rosen:

Bruno's gonna, Bruno's gonna raise a skit about that. He probably already has one.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. There. And I see all the the video, the reels and stuff. It's like, the the ones with white belly, that was me.

Joey Rosen:

Listen.

Drew Beech:

But, Amanda says back to me, she's like, no. You couldn't. You're just a fucking white belt. Like, what are you talking about? I feel like

Joey Rosen:

I just had this conversation with, actually, I think it was 2 members of the community, 2 eagles that just got their first stripe. Something bad about that. There's something like that first I was calling it the first stripe feeling. Yeah. There's something about that first stripe feeling, and I think it really is because you it's brutal.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. It is a grind in the beginning. It is brutal, especially with no experience. Coming in just like with no experience, even if you have experience with endurance and strength training stuff,

Drew Beech:

there's

Joey Rosen:

a whole another animal. So the first time going back, right, to, I don't wanna advance, but the esteemed part of the pyramid. Right? Like, recognition. Right?

Joey Rosen:

Acceptance. Right? Achievement. Like, going back to that stuff. That first stripe is the epitome of love.

Drew Beech:

I agree.

Joey Rosen:

Because it's such a grind for so many months.

Drew Beech:

I agree. And there's so many jokes about it because it was all of us. Right? Like, we all we

Joey Rosen:

all like there's similar jokes at the blue belt level. Because then you get to the blue you get your blue belt, and it's like, okay. Well, you know, now I I feel like people make the same jokes.

Drew Beech:

I would get my my ego is fully checked. I didn't know. To.

Joey Rosen:

I'm fine. Fully checked. Fully checked. There's

Drew Beech:

been days

Joey Rosen:

where I wanna demote myself.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. Exactly.

Joey Rosen:

I'm just gonna hand it back in.

Drew Beech:

I'd see all the

Joey Rosen:

the stripes off.

Drew Beech:

All the jokes about blue belt nowadays are about, like, just quitting. I I refuse to be that guy.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. I've had a very good, like so at least with my my teammates that I started with at Martinez, there has been a very, very low, like, super low

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

Quit factor.

Drew Beech:

You you the ones you got promoted with?

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. Well, that's what I'm talking about. Like, the the the guys and gals that I started practicing with at white belt, we all kinda started around the same time. And we have our blue belts now. We're we're pretty much all going strong.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

Few people, like, change jobs and things. So, you know, they're Moved

Drew Beech:

or something.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. Moved or whatever. So it's been difficult for them to get in. But other than that, like, the quitting has been almost nonexistent. Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

Which is powerful in itself.

Drew Beech:

I would say that I've been at GB for about a year now, and I would say a lot of the boob I can only think of a few offhand, maybe, like, 1 or 2 that have fallen off.

Joey Rosen:

Oh, that's good.

Drew Beech:

But yeah. Yeah. That's good.

Joey Rosen:

No. So let me ask you a question. The ones that didn't fall off, are they going live?

Drew Beech:

Oh, yeah. It's it's the ones that don't go live.

Joey Rosen:

The glue.

Drew Beech:

The ones that don't go live don't really make it to blue belt.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. It's part of the glue. Yeah. The Oh, yeah. Just don't yeah.

Joey Rosen:

Don't make it.

Drew Beech:

They're they're just forever white belts, and they're just kinda just like a hobbyist. But and maybe they'll get their blue belt one day Yep. Just for a sheer amount of time that they've spent, like, spent on the mats. Like, I I don't know. Like, it's a it's a and I thought about it too.

Drew Beech:

I was like, does everyone want the same things out of the jiu jitsu? Right? Does everyone wanna

Joey Rosen:

I think like anything in life, man, it's relative. And it's not to, like, distill it down to a point where there aren't standards.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

Like, whenever I say it's relative, I think some people take that as, like, oh, woah, woah. There's no standards all of a sudden? Like, everybody can no. Not at all. But in in reality, yes, people come for different to school Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

For different reasons and practice for different reasons.

Drew Beech:

And it's like we were saying on the if you want social and if you want Rise last last night, or the if you want Rise social Mhmm. Where we all get together on for a Sunday of every night virtually and just chat it up. But I I believe, especially now, that your belt is simply a testament to your time spent in the martial art and knowledge of of the martial art. And I don't think it's fair to hold an 80 year old woman to the same standards. Not that I don't think it's fair.

Drew Beech:

I don't know if it's possible to to compare an 8 year old woman to a 20 year old college wrestler.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. I think a good school and a good professor knows that in order to earn and achieve, like, you have to show up every day, give your best. Like like I've been saying, give your best for your teammates and for yourself every day and then recognize that appropriately depending on

Drew Beech:

And that's not

Joey Rosen:

where you're at.

Drew Beech:

Me saying that is gospel. I'm just that's my belief

Joey Rosen:

Yeah.

Drew Beech:

From what I've observed

Joey Rosen:

Sure.

Drew Beech:

Nowadays.

Joey Rosen:

Sure. Sure. Alright. Let's get to to the tip top of this pyramid here to tie the self. Self actualization is at the top of the pyramid.

Joey Rosen:

So I'm gonna give you some of the terms that, describe this level, right, of being. So creativity, spontaneity, problem solving, lack of prejudice, acceptance, and I love this one, acceptance of facts, which I think you actually get a little bit of that Yeah.

Drew Beech:

You know, in the very beginning of your journey Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

Where you come in and you say, hey. Look. Like, this is who I thought I was. At least I'll speak for myself.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. No.

Joey Rosen:

This is who I thought I was. This is this is who my ego was telling me I was.

Drew Beech:

That's the truth.

Joey Rosen:

A strong guy that can hold my own, that has great endurance, blah blah blah. And quickly, I accepted the fact.

Drew Beech:

You got yoked up by a 14 year old girl, didn't you?

Joey Rosen:

I got I got, my first, you know, you wanna call it trial class, whatever

Drew Beech:

it might.

Joey Rosen:

I didn't even look at it as trial. Like, I was all in. But, my first class, I was 200, 205.

Drew Beech:

Damn. So

Joey Rosen:

I was here What

Drew Beech:

are you now?

Joey Rosen:

170? 170. So I was, like, 200, 205. Different goals then. Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

Different nutrition, like, different things, no jiu jitsu. But, anyway, yeah, I was, like, 205 as relatively strong guy. Still had good endurance, and, I just got I just got washed by, like, a £140, 20 year old. Great dude. Great teammate by the way.

Drew Beech:

Still trying? Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

And, I just got, like, washed, you know. Maybe a 160. I don't know. Definitely way smaller than me.

Drew Beech:

Was he also wiped out the time?

Joey Rosen:

Uh-huh. Couple stripes.

Drew Beech:

And just like

Joey Rosen:

that's Triangle Triangle City, dude. Triangle City.

Drew Beech:

The level of skill between a trial and a 3 striped white belt, though, it's it's crazy, I think.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. So I accepted the fact quickly that I was not who my ego was telling me to be, and that was the beginning of, whatever I had left of ego. Like, my ego's pretty been pretty checked my entire life. I think because I just do hard stuff all the time, and it's always checking it. But whatever I had left of my ego died that day.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

It died that day. So I accepted quickly that that fact. So acceptance of facts, definitely. I say checks the box there. Creativity, spontaneity, problem solving, like, come on, man.

Joey Rosen:

Like, you it demands, like, in process problem solving.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. A 100%.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. And we're not talking, like, my tire's flat. How do I change it?

Drew Beech:

No.

Joey Rosen:

We're talking, like, I have no air in my lungs. How do I change that? Yep.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. Yep. Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

So you would agree self actualization. I would

Drew Beech:

agree a 100%. Yeah. The I don't have anything to add to that because that is, I would say, verbatim Yeah. All the things.

Joey Rosen:

Spontaneity. So creative creativity and problem solving definitely in there, you know, that's obvious. Spontaneity though. This goes back to what we were saying earlier with, like, uncertainty.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

You know, like, you need a certain certain level of uncertainty in life to keep you engaged. Right? Yeah. That that that spontaneity. And it provides that because not only are you constantly learning and evolving Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

In jujitsu, but so are your teammates.

Drew Beech:

Yep. And you also don't know what roles you're gonna get that day. Right? Like, you don't know who you're gonna be rolling with after class or who's gonna be at class. Yep.

Drew Beech:

So

Joey Rosen:

Or if you're competing.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. So you have to be ready for all of those things. Right?

Joey Rosen:

Mhmm. Yep. Yep. And that just it keeps you sticky to the art, but it also keeps you growing. Like, this is what it's all about.

Joey Rosen:

Like, if you're going to grow, you've got to accelerate through all the different levels of this pyramid Mhmm. And realize all the different levels of this pyramid.

Drew Beech:

Mhmm.

Joey Rosen:

And again, like, making the case that jujitsu is the way. Yeah. Like, the ultimate personal development or growth program. Okay. Outside of so Maslow, I think, like, on his deathbed, he was like, hey, by the way, there's, like, another pinnacle.

Joey Rosen:

Like, there's another piece of this pyramid, and it's self transcendence.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

I think that the way he described it was that, you know, you're no longer concerned with success of self. You're more so concerned with the success of your offspring using that term loosely, not like, you know, just like your children, but also those around you. Yep. Right? So that transcendence and saying, like, it's not about me Mhmm.

Joey Rosen:

Is a complete checking of ego. At least that's the way I look at it. And you showing up to give your best to your team, knowing that when you give first, your get will come when the time is right. You know, rule of the few really.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

You know what I mean? To get give.

Drew Beech:

I would say coming forward, like, that I kinda had a when you said that because I feel as though as you get higher in the ranks and these black belts, like, professors, they pour into their students and they care more about your success and their success. So that actually is 100% on point.

Joey Rosen:

Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I mean, I see that Martinez with Will and Lamont, all the time.

Joey Rosen:

Lamont, you know, is my he doesn't like to be called professor, so I would not call him professor.

Drew Beech:

That's a that's a GB thing, dude. It's Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

On a week by week basis, and he actually on Fridays, we don't have class. He'll come in at the same time on Friday and just free to give his time to, like, 3 or 4 of us because he wants to see us level up.

Drew Beech:

That's cool.

Joey Rosen:

You know? So ultimate service.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. You

Joey Rosen:

know? And transcendence of of self. So this was a fun episode, man.

Drew Beech:

Oh, yeah. I knew we were gonna I I was nervous. I was like, oh, I don't wanna come through as a No. I mean as a knowledge base on on jiu jitsu. But,

Joey Rosen:

I mean, at the end of the day, we know nothing.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. Exactly. We're just simply our accounts.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. Our accounts on the journey thus far thus far, man. Thus far. We we admit that, we know nothing. We know we've got some things figured out, I think, appropriate for our level.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. But in the grand scheme of things, we we really don't know nothing. And that's the the best part about this. Yep. You know, it's what makes the journey worthwhile.

Drew Beech:

Yep. Okay.

Joey Rosen:

Eddie, we just did the, Jits and Giggles,

Drew Beech:

podcast,

Joey Rosen:

recently, with Alisa. Do we have any funny stories? Do you have any funny stories from jiu jitsu? I'm so serious. I have no funny stories from jiu jitsu.

Joey Rosen:

But do you? Do you have any funny jiu jitsu stories?

Drew Beech:

No. Not a lot of funny. I mean, there is some fun in the the chats, the after class. Speaking of part time jiu jitsu, the first time I see any of Bruno's reels, it was the one that came up for me in my search or whatever, but he, like, walks in with his side. He's like he's like, alright, razor.

Drew Beech:

I'll see I'll see you next week.

Joey Rosen:

See you around, razor.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. He's like, look, let me know when the let me know when the wedding is. It's like, who's that's razor? It's like it's like me returning 3 hours after I said I'd be home. Yeah.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. Yeah. So that was such a funny one.

Joey Rosen:

I mean, there's a lot of truth in his skits with what we talked about here. Right? Esteem, confidence, belonging, you know, that's all, like, in the skits.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

And it's humor, and they're funny, but, like, the reality of it is so true.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

That's why I think he he's growing and doing so well because he's using humor, and it really hits because there's so much truth in it. There's so much truth in it. Yeah. Yeah. I I don't I I really have nothing else to add.

Joey Rosen:

I'm I'm glad that you you, entertained my little game here going through the pyramid. And these are the things I think of, like, at 10 PM at night, I'm sitting here thinking about Maslow's hierarchy of needs and how it relates

Drew Beech:

to the JJ episode and you and you pulled out your, remarkable and had a pyramid on. I was like, what? I don't know. You know, I like to keep I like

Joey Rosen:

to keep it, I can't use the I I can't use the word spicy because I True. I found out that I found out that that doesn't mean what I thought it meant.

Drew Beech:

Yeah. Not at all. I like

Joey Rosen:

to keep it, Fresh? Fresh. I like to I like to keep you on your toes.

Drew Beech:

Thank you. Yeah. There you go. I need someone to do that.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Alright, man. Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

I think we we should, we should tie this up. We didn't now Ernest is here with us.

Drew Beech:

Yeah.

Joey Rosen:

So we didn't talk about him much, but he's here at least so I don't have to hear it, for him not being on the show. He'll be he'll be here. I just as I looked at you to tie up, I saw him, and he was looking at me with that one eye. Yeah. Like, that one eye, it's just got, like, a thing.

Drew Beech:

A pay job on this thing could definitely use some work.

Joey Rosen:

Well, he's been through a few fest. Yeah. He's been through a few fest. He's gonna be, you know, obviously with us for the second few fest. So there's gonna be a little bit of wear and tear on him.

Joey Rosen:

He hasn't been dropped yet, which is good. But

Drew Beech:

It's like a yellow from his beaks kind of,

Joey Rosen:

I think that that's basically from being carried.

Drew Beech:

Okay.

Joey Rosen:

Yeah. From being carried and just being

Drew Beech:

No offense.

Joey Rosen:

Hug hug gently. Yeah. You better apologize. Better apologize. Alright, man.

Joey Rosen:

We're gonna we're gonna tie this up. I will leave, the few with a reminder. Why don't you why don't you sign off?

Drew Beech:

No. You got you got it.

Joey Rosen:

You want me to? Yeah. Alright. Alright.

Drew Beech:

Because I have to think about it before I do it, and I just don't.

Joey Rosen:

You gotta tattoo it on

Drew Beech:

the back of your eyeballs, Rick. Exactly.

Joey Rosen:

Yes. I'll leave a few, with a reminder until next time. Always choose hard work over handouts. Always choose effort over entitlement. No one owns you.

Joey Rosen:

No one owes you. You're one of the few. Now let's hunt.