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The Harvester Podcast is brought to you by the Florida School of Preaching. Listen weekly to take a dive into biblical topics and thoughtful studies on things that matter to our eternal souls.
Welcome to the Harvester podcast in season three and we are ready for episode number 13.
We have been dealing with some really great lessons on Christian apologetics and we have
covered a lot of topics in here and that can namely be summed up in that God exists, the
Bible is the inspired Word of God, and Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
And today we're looking forward to part two
of addressing the problem of evil, which is one of the atheists' most popular arguments to
deny the existence of God and thus the inspiration of the Bible.
I am Brian Kenyon, one of your hosts, and with me are...
actually is George Beals from the South Florida Avenue congregation, and he's done a lot
of studies in this field, and we are so happy that he is sharing his information with us
and his knowledge and his wisdom, and so...
Brother George, bring us up to where we're ready to begin today.
Well, class number 15, and let's call this Addressing the Problem of Evil, part 2.
By way of review, we'll explain the atheistic argument from evil.
Last time we observed that there are three statements that come up repeatedly in this
discussion.
I call them the three basic propositions.
One is, God is all-powerful or oh omnipotent.
Number two, God is all-loving or omnibenevolent.
And thirdly, evil exists by which the atheist means suffering.
Suffering exists.
The atheistic claim is that all three of these basic propositions cannot be true at the
same time.
That's the claim.
And therefore either you'll have to abandon one or more of those or weaken one or more of
those.
Again, that's the atheistic claim on the argument from evil.
We then looked at some well-known expressions of this atheistic claim.
One goes back to the ancient Greek philosopher whose name is Epicurus and we gave a
quotation along those lines.
Another is uh from early modern philosophy, David Hume articulated the argument.
And then number three, that from J.
L.
Mackey and his famous or at least famous among academicians.
uh
his article in 1955 titled Evil and Omnipotence.
So, and we focused upon Mackey's formulation and that's as good as any.
He claims that since God is a good as opposed to evil in such a way that a good thing
always eliminates evil as far as it can and that there are no limits to what an omnipotent
thing can do.
Then it follows that God is all-powerful and God is all-loving and suffering exists in
this world cannot be true at the same time.
So the biblical defend of course denies both premise one and premise two and we showed
why.
And then we asked well how do we or more specifically how does the Bible account for God's
being all-powerful and his being all-loving and yet there is suffering in this world?
Well, Mackey's clarifying statements can be replaced by the statements consistent with
Bible teachings.
These latter statements show how the three basic propositions can be true at the same
time.
so then, again, if we were to look at Mackey's premises, draw a picture of those in an
upper box, call those Mackey's premises from those according to him, the three basic
propositions form an inconsistent set.
But we want to
and can replace Mackey's premises with Bible premises to conclude therefore the three
basic propositions form a consistent set.
That is, all three can be true at the same time.
Now remember that oh all of the biblical defender, all that the biblical defender or the
apologist needs to do while in defense at a minimum is to show that the atheist has not
proved his case.
That is, he does not have a clincher.
In other words, while in defense, all that is needed is to show that the offense has not
scored.
That is to say, draw a box called the Bible's Premises and then a box under that, an arrow
pointing down to the three propositions, God is all-powerful, God is all-loving, and
suffering is in this world.
uh What Bible teachings do we put in that upper box, the Bible premises, that would show
that these three basic statements can be true at the same time?
And it's very important that we note this because a lot of people, they'll listen to that
atheist argument and they'll go no further.
They'll think it's unanswerable.
And so all Christians need to know this information so that if we're in such a discussion,
we can quickly input to put doubt on arguments like J.L.
Mackie's and stuff, because again, if it comes from, I think he used the word just a while
ago, uh a-k-e-a-d-e-m-e-a-t-i-sh-n or something.
academics.
Yeah, academics.
Yeah, another word for that.
But yeah, but they seem to be all smart and wise and all this, but they're really not when
you break down their arguments as we're doing here and as George is doing.
And I kind of equate it to those that promote, you know, the theory of evolution as if
it's fact.
You know, a lot of people don't, even members of the church, don't know how to answer that
sometimes.
And so this information is very important for even mature church members to get a grasp
of.
Right, so the fact that Mackey and other atheists have not provided what I call a clincher
argument, uh as a matter of fact, is quite interesting.
Over the last several decades, uh the uh professed atheist oftentimes, not in all cases,
but in many cases in the academic world included, have pretty much given up on the idea
that uh this argument by Mackey and others
is not a clincher and so then they start giving arguments in defense of uh probability.
Probably God does not exist and that's quite an interesting development which we could
talk about in more detail maybe at another time.
uh So we're interested in showing that indeed there are Bible statements, Bible doctrines
which together do show that at least the possibility and that's all we need to do in this
mode in defense.
that God is all-powerful, God is all-loving and suffering in this world, that these three
can be true at the same time.
And I believe that the following ten biblical doctrines do the job.
Those ten statements, consistent with the Bible, and uh therefore allow one to conclude
that the three basic propositions can be true at the same time.
As we pointed out last time, can be abbreviated like this.
Soul-making, number one.
Secondly, and sin the same.
Three, free will.
Four, regularity and mutual interferences.
Five, Jesus Christ as documented in the Bible.
Number six, probationary period.
Number seven, stakes of eternity.
Three, epistemic distance, and we'll explain that.
And then the infinite God and then finally some mystery.
Now we began taking up each of the ten statements last time explaining what they mean and
showing that they are biblical.
Again these aim to show that the suffering in this world is compatible with God's being
all-powerful and being all-loving.
And last time we looked in some detail at these four.
Number one, soul-making.
Number two, evil and sin the same.
Number three, free will.
and then fourthly regularity and mutual interferences.
Today then we'll take up the remaining six.
So number five, probationary period.
Now what do we mean by this?
According to the Bible, man's life in this physical world is a probationary period and the
only probationary period during which his eternal destiny is settled.
The purpose of this life is not to maximize pleasure in it.
Rather, while faced with both challenges and blessings, it is for one to decide whether or
not to seek, follow, and glorify God.
Missing this is to miss the point, the very point of life here, according to the
Scriptures.
Well, this is taught by the Bible.
1 Peter chapter 2 verses 11 to 12 read,
Beloved, I beg you as sojourners and pilgrims abstain from fleshly lusts which war against
the soul, having your conduct honorable among the Gentiles, that when they speak against
you as evildoers, they may by your good works which they observe glorify God in the day of
visitation.
Okay, and then another passage along these lines is Hebrews 9 verse 27.
and as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment.
And notice how that underscores the fact that this life then is being viewed by the
Scriptures as a probationary period.
It's a period that has certain purposes and central to that of course is the fact that
we're faced with challenges and we then have the opportunity to either reject God or to
accept Him.
2 Corinthians 5, 10.
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the
things done in the body according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
then also we can add 2nd Corinthians chapter 6 verse 10.
At the end of verse 2, behold, now is the day of salvation.
So, well, yeah, and then 1 Corinthians, I should say that that's six for us.
So then John five, 28 to 29 is relevant.
And that reads.
Do not marvel at this, for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear
his voice and come forth, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those
who have done evil to the resurrection of condemnation.
we're seeing that this life is being conceived of then as a probationary period.
It's not forever but has purpose.
And then along these lines, 1st Corinthians chapter 10 verse 31 sums it up nicely.
Therefore, whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.
So, Proposition Number 5, or Premise Number 5 from the Bible, Probationary Period.
This life is a probationary period.
Another biblical doctrine that is relevant to this is what we can categorize or summarize,
I should say, as Stakes of Eternity.
Now, what does this mean?
Well, the Bible teaches that the blessing in heaven and the punishment in hell are so
great.
that they render any and all suffering in this life to be of no ultimate significance.
Notice this coming through in Matthew 16 verses 26 to 27.
For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world and loses his own soul?
Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?
For the Son of Man will come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he will
reward each according to his works.
And along those lines also Romans, the wonderful Romans 8 verse 18.
For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with
the glory which shall be revealed in us.
and then Matthew 25 verse 46.
and these will go away into everlasting punishment but the righteous into eternal life.
then Matthew 10 verse 28.
Do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul, but rather fear him who is
able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
So again, stakes of eternity, they are of such a nature that they render suffering, even
horrendous suffering in this life, to be of no ultimate significance.
This biblical doctrine affirmed by these passages.
And then at this point, the references to this world is for soul-making, and that it is a
probationary period.
the stakes of eternity.
These statements give rise to some questions that I'd like to raise at this point.
Number one, according to the Bible, what standard is there then in the soul-making
environment against which a human is to live?
Another question that can be inserted and that these give rise to is what or who
determines the eternal destiny after this probationary period is over?
And then a third question can be raised at this point and probably does arise in people's
minds.
Can humans know God's purpose for every event that occurs in this ideal soul-making
environment?
The first two of those are at least answered by proposition or premise number seven from
the scriptures, namely Jesus Christ as documented in the Bible.
The biblical answer to such questions then
Jesus Christ described in the Bible.
He is the pattern to follow as uh the Bible teaches and His words will judge us all at the
last day.
The whole account of Him is not limited to the Gospels.
He is woven into Scripture from beginning to end over centuries.
The picture centers on and is lived out in this one person.
In the Old Testament Scriptures He will come.
In the New Testament Scriptures He has come.
and is coming again.
The description of him in the Bible as a person in history is multi-fold.
The trinity and his role in it, his pre-existence, his being creator and sustainer of the
universe, his incarnation, his greatness in all respects, yet ironically humiliated to
death to bring about salvation from the consequences of our sins.
His living sinlessly, His love, the magnificence of Him and His eternal kingdom as the
authoritative King, the resurrection of Jesus Christ, the ascension to heaven.
And in this class, in this episode, there are just too many Bible passages that
demonstrate all of this, but a few will suffice for our purpose.
One of them is 1 Peter chapter 1 verses 10 to 12.
Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the
grace that would come to you, searching what or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ
who was in them was indicating when he testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and
the glories that would follow.
To them it was revealed that not unto themselves, but to us they were ministering the
things which now have been reported to you.
through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven,
things which angels desire to look into.
So 1 Peter 1, 10 to 12 is looking back and pointing out that someone is coming.
That idea was evident in the Old Testament Scriptures.
Of course this is identified as Jesus the Christ more fully in the New Testament passages.
So another passage along these lines showing that Jesus Christ is the answer.
Look at Hebrews 11 verse 26.
By faith Moses, when he became of age, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter,
choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God than to enjoy the passing
pleasures of sin, esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than all the treasures
in Egypt, for he looked to the reward.
Now isn't that interesting?
Way back in the Old Testament scriptures then, according to this passage, the Bible
teaches that during the time of Moses that he looked to the reward, that is he looked
ahead.
And the reference here is steaming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the
treasures.
In Egypt again noting the reference to the Messiah that someone's coming even back in the
Old Testament scriptures.
Yes, and that's very significant, I think, in Moses's time.
As a Hebrew writer connects those two events, he suffered the reproach of Christ, even
though Christ didn't come along for centuries later.
Right, that gives rise to this wonderful question and answered in the scriptures that uh
sometimes people refer, Bible students refer to Christ in all the scriptures.
uh And it looks like what we have here as well as over in uh First Peter 1 that we just
read that there was a consciousness among these Old Testament figures, a consciousness
that uh the Messiah, that uh someone is coming, there's a Redeemer ahead.
And then Galatians chapter four, verse four also was relevant.
But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born
under the law.
and then in John 12 verse 48
He who rejects Me and does not receive My words has that which judges him.
The word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.
That of course is Jesus Christ speaking with his own lips and then over in second Peter 1
verse 13
Hold fast the pattern of sound words which you have heard from me, in faith and love which
are in Christ Jesus.
Hebrews chapter 13 verse 20.
Now may the God of peace, who brought up our Lord Jesus Christ from the dead, that great
shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, make you complete in
every good work to do His will, working in you what is well pleasing in His sight, through
Jesus Christ, to whom be glory forever and ever.
Amen.
then another passage if we may, Revelation chapter 21 looking at verses 4 to 5.
and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.
There shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying.
There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.
Then he who sat on the throne said, Behold, I make all things new.
And he said to me, Write, for these words are true and faithful.
That's just a wonderfully encouraging passage coming out of the scriptures pertaining to
Jesus Christ and the great blessings that are found in him.
So Jesus Christ as documented in the Bible then is the pattern.
So that was number seven, uh premise to put into that upper box allowing us uh to conclude
along with these other nine.
propositions that in fact the basic propositions are or can be true at the same time.
As to the third question that we raised just a moment ago, can humans know God's purpose
for every event that occurs in this ideal soul-making environment?
That brings us to number eight, some mystery.
That is to say, another Bible teaching to add in the mix relevant to the argument from
evil is this.
Humans do not have enough knowledge to explain completely every possible purpose behind
every instance of suffering in this world.
And the Bible does affirm this.
The Bible teaches that humans can know some things.
John 8.32 reads, Note that it says, shall know the truth.
He's talking to humans.
You would be a reference to humans there.
But it also teaches that we cannot know all things.
So,
Certainty about some things does not imply certainty about all things.
We know some things and that fact does not imply that the Bible is affirming that human
beings are omniscient.
Only God is omniscient.
Only God knows all things.
Which brings us then to Isaiah 55 verse 9 and that reads,
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my
thoughts than your thoughts.
and then Romans 11 verse 33.
O the depth of the riches, both of the wisdom and knowledge of God!
How unsearchable are his judgments and his ways past finding out!
And then finally in Deuteronomy 29 verse 29.
The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but to those things which are revealed
belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.
Right, now this is an important element in the collection of doctrines that we're setting
forth here from the scriptures, these ten doctrines.
Some mystery, that is to say, uh in fact then uh we as human beings do not have an answer
to every possible event that takes place.
Now just think about that for a moment.
uh It's possible from our limited perspective that maybe some
event, some suffering that's endured, even horrendous suffering, maybe it has an effect, a
ripple effect on someone coming to Jesus Christ 124 years down the road.
mean, it's such a massive collection of causes and effects that we face in this world.
that uh the full explanation for every possible event is just uh beyond us.
And so then that surely is in the mix.
And that also includes, of course, the atheist.
The atheist does not have a knowledge of, uh cannot with confidence and certainty claim
that, this particular event could not possibly have had any good effect at all.
That just is beyond the purview of any human being.
And I think you made a good point a moment ago when you said that humans are not
omniscient, only God is omniscient.
And for us to know what's behind every single event, we would have to be omniscient
because there's so many different scenes and all that stuff that only God can know, but we
are human and God is omniscient.
And the Deuteronomy 29 passage, you know, lets us know that the reason why we don't know
what's behind every little event, whether it's good or whatever, I mean, what
What God's purpose is, is because it's not revealed to us.
Right, and a maver will be that it's better for us somehow figuring in the overall scheme
of things.
It's better for us not to know certain things.
Yeah, in fact, you consider Job suffered immensely, but he was not aware of chapters one
and two like we are when we read that book.
so, and maybe I didn't even think about it until you just made that statement, George,
that maybe God did not reveal him all that.
A lot of that stuff is because it was best for Job not to know that.
Right.
really doing that for Job's sake.
That's right.
uh Job did not have the prologue.
We do.
We can look back and read about it and gain comfort from it.
There a of things that we could say about the book of Job.
But also we should note that the Bible does not characterize all events as being
unknowable and there are some things that we can know.
So this is not uh a blanket statement.
We're saying some mystery, not all mystery.
And then we have number nine, we'll just call this the infinite God.
So another proposition, God is unlimited in all his attributes.
That certainly is relevant here.
The Bible affirms that God is love according to 1st John chapter four, verse eight.
His understanding is infinite, Psalm 147, verse five.
He is omnipotent according to Revelation 19, verse six.
He is omnipresent.
Where can I flee from your presence?
Psalm 139 verse 7.
He is always truthful.
He cannot lie.
Titus 1 verse 2.
Notice that there are some things then that God cannot do.
As we put it, God is able to do everything that is subject to accomplishment and
everything that is consistent with his nature.
He is righteous.
Psalm 145 verse 17 reads,
the Lord is righteous in all his ways.
is just, that is, he's fair.
He is the Rock.
His work is perfect for all his ways are justice, a God of truth, and without injustice,
righteous and upright is he.
Deuteronomy chapter 32 verse 6.
So the infinite God also keep that in mind in the mix.
And then finally the last proposition, a premise to put into that upper box, all of which
together allow us to conclude that
that God is omnipotent and he is all loving and yet there is suffering in this world.
show that all ten of these show that they can be true at the same time and this tenth is
what can be called epistemic distance.
Now what does that mean?
Well this word, this English word epistemic comes from one of the Greek words for
knowledge, namely episteme.
So we're talking about the knowledge distance between God and humans.
And we could word this doctrine like this.
There is enough epistemic or knowledge distance between God and man during this
probationary period to prevent man from unavoidably, that is immediately, knowing that God
exists, yet not so much distance that it prevents man from deducing that God exists from
the provided evidence.
That's important to include.
The Bible affirms this.
The Bible teaches that God is spirit, John 424, but man is flesh and blood with the
limitations of flesh and blood.
In this state man cannot immediately experience God and live.
You cannot see my face for no one can see me and live, the Bible teaches in Exodus chapter
33 verse 20.
not that anyone has seen the Father except he who is from God, has seen the Father, John 6
verse 46.
No one has seen God at any time, the only begotten Son who was in the bosom of the Father,
he has declared him, John chapter 1 verse 18.
And so then during our probationary existence in the flesh, there is this knowledge
distance between
God and man and that figures in this overall picture.
On the other hand there is not so much distance between us and God now that we cannot know
God indirectly through the adequate evidence that's provided.
Romans chapter 1 verses 19 to 20.
For God has shown it to them.
For since the creation of the world, His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being
understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they
are without excuse.
So the picture that this passage paints, Romans 1, 19 to 20, if we were to maybe make two,
draw out two graphics here, one of them called God and the other man and have an arrow
going from man to God, letting that represent immediate knowledge of God without
intervening any intervening evidence from which we could use our ability to think and
deduce that God exists.
Rather,
The during this probationary period there is a knowledge gap between humans and God and in
between we have evidence and the picture that's painted is that we look at this evidence
we use the abilities that God has given us to think about the evidence and then deduce
that God exists.
This is part of the probationary period that we are in.
And part of that evidence is clearly the Word of God.
mean, we read Romans 1, 19 through 20, you know, from nature we can know some things,
eternal power and Godhead, but it's that closing gap distance to get us in the right
relationship with God can only be done through the Scripture, found through the Scripture.
And I often thought about this, about Scripture.
know, Scripture, it's easy, most of it's easy to understand, some of it's a little bit
difficult.
But there's a depth.
mean, it requires us to study and to ascertain what God has already given us.
so it's not so easy that, in other words, it requires commitment to know the mind of God,
which can only be done through the Scripture.
It's not like, you know, I don't know, Dr.
Seuss, just simple, simple, I mean, some of it is like, you know, whatever.
But every verse is just deep, but that depth can only be reached.
When number one, we see the need and we study and get into it.
And so that closing gap distances can only be through the Word of God.
That all the answers are there.
We just have to look and to study it to come to the knowledge.
And we talked about a lot of that stuff in some of the earlier episodes of this season
about the Bible being the inspired Word of God.
the across the bible claims in second timothy three sixteen to seventeen that it provides
with from it we can we can learn every good work yes and it's all sufficient in supplying
us with every good work and all of them how to be right in god's sight what's good what's
not good in god's sight what's more on the immoral that is
And uh prior to that, logically, he's provided us enough evidence in this natural world
for us to know that he exists.
And that gives us some clue, gives rise to the question, well, has he provided more
information?
Of course, that would lead us to scriptures.
And all of this involves our making an effort.
He did not create us with knowledge, all the knowledge that needs to be known.
from birth, but rather we're in this probationary period, we grow in it, we face
challenges, we make decisions about whether to reject God or accept Him, and all of that
of course figures in the overall purpose of this life.
This life is being again a probationary period and is temporary, but there is a life
hereafter.
And I think that great commission in Matthew's account, that second part in verse 20, in
teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I've commanded you, that tells us we're
gonna have to constantly learn.
It's a constant learning God's will, putting it to practice, learning God's will, putting
it to practice, which also is included in that probationary period, because even when we
were baptized into Christ, we become Christians, it doesn't stop there.
It's continuing, continuing process.
of our growing as Peter would close out his epistles but grow in the grace and the
knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
So it's probationary whether we're in Christ or out of Christ.
And when we're in Christ, we still constantly learn more about God and what he would have
us to do.
I'm reminded of the Old Testament Scriptures at Jeremiah 31, 31 to 34, Jeremiah 31, 31 to
34 quoted over in Hebrews chapter 8.
And that Old Testament passage is a passage that looks forward with the Old Testament
Scriptures, the covenant, the Old Covenant rather, looks forward to its own replacement by
the new.
And in that passage uh the New Covenant, the Covenant
the New Testament in which we now live this period of time, this probationary period, uh
is characterized as uh being of such a nature that we're not born into it like the Jew was
on the eighth day and then later learn that we're a Jew back in the Old Testament times,
that people were Jews.
They became a Jew at circumcision the eighth day and then later they learned about
Judaism, but rather the New Covenant is of such a nature that uh
everyone will know it.
That is to say you have to learn certain things to become a Christian and then after you
become a Christian you continue growing in the grace and knowledge of the Savior.
Learning is a prerequisite of getting into the covenant, the new covenant, at least some
basic things.
to know certain things, namely the Bible plan of salvation, in order to become a
Christian, and then that's really the end of the beginning.
There's more after that, because there two great questions that we could talk about oh
here.
We just don't have the time to, at this point, maybe another episode, and that is that uh
after one concludes that God exists and the Bible is his word, uh
according to 1st Timothy chapter 1 verse 15, faithful is the saying and worthy of all
acceptance that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners.
So that's why he came.
And so then now we have two major questions.
How does one become saved and how does one remain saved?
A wonderful study in and on yourself.
So putting all of these propositions together, back to our episode here,
uh While in defense, we notice that uh the Bible teaches these ten propositions, these
tens doctrines.
uh There is the doctrine of soul-making and evil and sin the same.
Free will, regularity and mutual interferences, probationary period, the stakes of
eternity.
Jesus Christ is documented in the Bible as our pattern.
Epistemic distance, the infinite God,
coupled tenth with there being some mystery.
All of those together show that in fact the statements that God, the doctrines, the
propositions that God is all-powerful and that he is all-loving and that there is
suffering in this world show that these can be true at the same time while in defense that
is all that we needed to do and so then the atheist has not proved his case by his
argument from evil.
And we appreciate George for sharing again for sharing this information with us as he
spent a good I'm gonna say his whole Christian life on this in one way or another but
especially the last couple years as he finished his uh doctoral dissertation and we
appreciate that but uh this information is very good and it's worthy of consideration and
going over again and again and sharing this information with your friends because
Apologetics is, know, Christian evidences is at the, you know, the heart of Christianity
because, and we've referenced this passage, you know, God through Paul said, you know,
prove all things, hold fast to that which is good.
And so God doesn't expect us to just do blind leap in the dark, and we've talked about all
these in previous episodes, but He has given us sufficient evidence that we can know that
God exists and that the Bible is His Word and whatever it teaches is true.
And so we appreciate George uh for sharing this information with us.
Well thank you Brian and just one last thing.
We have one more class after this uh episode and I call that I guess we could say it's a
summary of what we have studied.
That would be episode number 16 and that will be a wrap up for this entire series.
So we appreciate you joining us today.
And if you have any questions or comments on anything we've said, please let us know.
If you would like copies of the transcripts or the lessons or the PowerPoint slides that
we have been using here, feel free to contact us.
We look forward to seeing you in our next episode as we wrap up this season.