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Parkinson’s: An Athlete’s Journey is for athletes navigating Parkinson’s, the coaches and clinicians who train them, and anyone who wants real-world strategies for performance and longevity. Hosted by Eric Von Frohlich and Todd Vogt, the show focuses on tactical takeaways: how to train, recover, manage symptoms, and stay consistent when the rules keep changing. Expect honest conversations, tested routines, and guest experts who go deeper on what works.
Eric Von Frohlich (00:31)
stuff. Are you having a good day or a bad day? Where are you symptomatically?
Todd Vogt (00:35)
I think pretty
today's pretty good. I'm feeling pretty damn good actually.
Eric Von Frohlich (00:38)
It's good. You work out already?
Todd Vogt (00:40)
Yeah, I went to the gym this morning. Did the usual. ⁓
Eric Von Frohlich (00:42)
makes all the difference
in the world because I didn't get to the gym yet and I'm feeling sluggish and I did some power moves and tried to jumpstart with some breath work but you know the dog had to go out and it was a choice between taking the dog out and going to the gym so I helped him to do the right thing. This place called the 12 it's about a mile and a half, two miles from here so it's pretty easy to get to.
Todd Vogt (00:45)
yeah.
Nice.
Yeah. Where's the gym? What gym you go to?
Eric Von Frohlich (01:09)
it's a great facility. It's clean. It's large. has lots of equipment and enough space to do your own thing on the floor. So it works out pretty well.
Todd Vogt (01:12)
Cool. Yeah.
Nice.
It's not, yeah,
there's not some guy doing like hip thrusts on like a leg press machine or something,
Eric Von Frohlich (01:25)
Yeah, let's see. I think all those people probably dominate Planet Fitness or the like-minded facilities. I'm sure they're around here, but they're not as close as this one place. And the owner's a friend, so I feel very comfortable there.
Todd Vogt (01:30)
Exactly.
Yeah, that's cool.
I think I told you about
the gym I go called Evolution Healthcare and Fitness. It's like not too far for me. It's like 10 minute drive, kind of like it sounds like what Tim has a little bit. It's like half of it is a clinic, right? So physical therapists, chiropractors, then the other half is the gym. And so the gym is like not humongous, but not that many people in there just working. There's a lot of people who will be there and getting physical therapy.
And then the people who work out there, like myself, are generally athletic types. Because they've got all this cool stuff. They have a boost treadmill, which is like a zero gravity treadmill. That's pretty cool. They have BFR, is pretty blood flow restriction. They all do that. Yeah, it's cool. I did it on my forearm. I was having some forearm issues a couple years ago, while I was doing training.
Eric Von Frohlich (02:14)
Right, it's pretty cool.
very cool.
Todd Vogt (02:27)
And so he had me doing like one of the physical therapists had me, had me, you blood pressure cuff here, blood pressure cuff here. So nothing's getting to the elbow. And then he had me just do like try super lightweight, just like tricep extensions and bicep curls and like, you know, no rest by the end of that, your bicep is five pound weight and your bicep is on fire by the end, know,
Eric Von Frohlich (02:45)
to Benson.
Yeah, it's pretty surreal, that We have a couple people at the gym. The gym on Max is the one that Tim's at.
Todd Vogt (02:50)
Yeah.
yeah, it sounds, okay, so it's similar. That's what we saying, it's similar in concept.
Eric Von Frohlich (02:59)
Yeah,
and it was funny, I was at a meeting the other day with him and I mentioned you and obviously you got a big smile on his face and has lots of good memories. in good hands between Tim and the other trainers. Everyone kind of keeps an eye on me and makes sure I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing. So it works out pretty well.
Todd Vogt (03:06)
Yeah. Nice.
Nice.
Eric Von Frohlich (03:19)
biohacking and training and what's working and what's not.
Todd Vogt (03:22)
schools, tricks and hacks.
the place I go to is called Evolution Healthcare and Fitness. It has one other thing which I use all the time. Well, all right, two things here where I'm going. There's two points I wanna make. They have an altitude room, I think I mentioned it. because a lot of the people who work out this gym are like mountaineers. There's a guy who's a, So they have a lot of like, yeah, he's an ultra endurance runner. They have a lot of people like that who,
Eric Von Frohlich (03:38)
Ultra Endurance Runner.
Todd Vogt (03:43)
as well as triathletes as well, Ironman and half Ironman triathletes. they have, the altitude room, it filters out the oxygen at some level. And so it mimics different altitude levels. And it ranges throughout the week. goes from 8,000 to 14,000 throughout the week. So today it was at 11,000. And so I just generally do my zone two cardio in there. It's a whole different experience, man. Your brain, it's so strange. I used to use a...
Eric Von Frohlich (03:58)
wow.
that's awesome.
Todd Vogt (04:10)
like a pulse oximeter to track my oxygen levels, you know, because you stay above 75. Like if you get below 75, the lights are going out. Like you're passing out, you know? So I do what I call like, I stole this name from another coach, but what I call the cardio fiesta. which is, you know, has a lot of variability, but I mean, is part of Cardio Fiesta could work for Parkinson's and that. So my goal is to get like 60, 70 minutes of like good quality, like zone two, you know, moderate endurance. So.
Eric Von Frohlich (04:13)
Yeah.
Todd Vogt (04:40)
I just...
Eric Von Frohlich (04:40)
and has
that feel at altitude at 11,000 feet.
Todd Vogt (04:43)
It's So I'm aiming for about like 120 beats per minute, approximately, let's say. 105 to maybe 125 beats per minute is zone two for me. So let's say on the rower, like use an example of the rower, the Concept2 bike, like normally if I was just to spin on the Concept2 bike, just sort of at 115 beats per minute, let's say like, it would probably put me at about 205 pace, maybe a little faster, something like that. In the outside room at 11,000 feet, you're going like,
Eric Von Frohlich (04:48)
Right?
Todd Vogt (05:09)
to hit that same intensity, like you're going like 210 pace, something like that, know, like a good five split slower. So in the cardio fiesta, your only thing you're limited with this is your creativity. So I took like four machines, the SkiErg, the Erg, the Concept 2 bike and the Rogue bike, and I just like did 15 minutes on each essentially. I did a little less on the SkiErg and then,
Eric Von Frohlich (05:15)
Wow.
Todd Vogt (05:30)
Your break, your recovery time is time to get from one machine to another.
Eric Von Frohlich (05:34)
And you're doing that in the altimeter, in the altitude room, right?
Todd Vogt (05:37)
I did, yeah.
But you can do cardio fiesta, like, I like doing that with teams as well. Like, in my garage I can do it as well, like I have an erg and a bike. So I'll just go like, you know, 15 minutes on each and just every 15 minutes you swap and do that for, do that whole thing for five times through that 75 minutes, you know. And it makes a long session like more tolerable, so it's not just, ⁓ God, I gotta spend the next hour and a half on this bike, you know. I got 10 minutes on the bike.
Eric Von Frohlich (05:55)
So.
Right.
Todd Vogt (06:04)
Then in another 10 minutes, it breaks into manageable
Eric Von Frohlich (06:07)
Yeah, and in Zone 2, it's not so terrible unless of course you're in an altitude room. It doesn't feel that bad.
Todd Vogt (06:12)
Yeah.
Yeah, the
hack of the altitude room, this is like really getting into the weeds a little bit, is that it stimulates your cardiovascular system pretty well, but it reduces the amount of wattage you put out. So it's like actually like kind of a way to get like almost like a little bit of muscular recovery because you don't have as much like muscular strain to hit the wattage, you know? So it takes less work to get to the same sort of cardiovascular benefit. Anyways, that's my, that's I was doing this morning. I was there, I love going there.
Eric Von Frohlich (06:30)
Right.
like the value is in the people you're surrounding yourself with, you know.
Todd Vogt (06:45)
100%, yeah,
I think a lot of people within the community recognize it for what I mean by that. I saw Yalem Rupp in there one time in like 24. I saw him in there a couple times actually getting treatment He ran for Oregon. He has a silver medal in the 10K, I wanna say, from London. He was the US Marathoner in 21. He tried to make the team in 24. He's one of the more famous American.
middle distance runners, long distance runners. So he went to Oregon, he lives in Portland. So like one day I went in there and he's getting physical therapy. And you'll see like other triathletes and runner types like that, which is cool.
Eric Von Frohlich (07:11)
Yeah.
Yeah, it's
a pretty inspiring group of people. We have the same thing down here, but I think it's relevant to, you're going to be the average of the people you surround yourself with. And so if you can find an environment that, you know, there's a tendency with Parkinson's to seek out Parkinson's support groups and seek out Parkinson's training groups. And they certainly have their place and thank God for that because...
Todd Vogt (07:26)
Yeah.
yeah, absolutely, that's good point.
Yeah.
Eric Von Frohlich (07:50)
You know, the disease affects everyone differently and it's great to have people that understand what you're going through, but. Right, but to find an environment that you can just have badass endurance athletes or strength athletes. who kind of welcome you into their tribe. ⁓ It's pretty inspiring to see what they can do and to be around and be a part of it.
Todd Vogt (07:56)
Absolutely, like emotional support.
Yeah.
Yeah, there one of the
guys, he moved down to a different clinic, but there were two guys actually, one guy was like an amateur runner, but when I say amateur, he's not a pro, but he's crazy fast. He would run like, 220 marathon, 225, but he's not a professional runner. And there was another guy who was like a semi-pro half Ironman,
Eric Von Frohlich (08:28)
Wow.
Yeah,
qualifying that because he has a day job.
Todd Vogt (08:35)
Yeah, exactly, exactly. And he's not getting paid to run, But he's crazy fast. So it's fun to talk shop with them. Obviously, everybody's got their sports specialty, but it's fun to talk about training with other people who are elite athletes, but in different sports.
Eric Von Frohlich (08:54)
Yeah, I imagine the training protocols are pretty similar. Maybe their drills are different, their blocks and their intensity levels that they're training at are probably pretty similar.
Todd Vogt (08:57)
Yeah.
Yeah, certainly, for sure. It's probably just different on the margins depending on the duration of the event or something like that, know, the modality.
But overall, it's the same thing. You get a lot of zone two and then a couple of high intensity stuff here and there, you
Eric Von Frohlich (09:09)
Exactly. That's why I...
When I get my clearance from my cardiologist to get back after it, I'm to have to get an event, whether it's HYROX or something on the calendar, HYROX of Spartan or some sort of endurance thing that scares me into training a little harder and a little more focused. Looking forward to that day.
Todd Vogt (09:24)
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right, well, I think I mentioned this guy Jay, who lives in town he's like, he had lunch every maybe three, four weeks. He has he's a little younger than me. He's probably like 46, 47, but he was a semi pro cyclist. used to ride, he knows like Lance Armstrong, Then he was a Muay Thai boxer as well. And he said the same thing, he's been doing Spartan races, like as a way to sort of keep himself motivated.
Eric Von Frohlich (09:48)
cool.
Todd Vogt (09:56)
And to do something like challenging that he can do, you know, still do. Because he can't really walk on the bike anymore.
Eric Von Frohlich (10:00)
Right.
Yeah, but I think it's more a matter of just mentally keeping yourself active and giving you something to train for versus, know, obviously training for life and for longevity and for function is super important, but at a certain point that doesn't quite get you as motivated. You you kind of feel like the timeline isn't a day on the calendar. It's more like a...
Todd Vogt (10:09)
Yeah, for sure.
Eric Von Frohlich (10:28)
this vague kind of spot that you want to be functioning later in life more than on a specific day. it's...
Todd Vogt (10:33)
Sure. Yeah, without like
an explicit training goal, it's easy to fall into the routine of just doing things that are not very challenging, Because you're like, all right, well, myself, for example, I like doing zone two steady state, whether it's rowing on the bike or on the water or whatever. without an explicit training goal, I'm like, I'll just get some miles in, you It's fun. It feels good,
Eric Von Frohlich (10:41)
Yeah.
Yeah, that's essentially what I've been doing in the gym is I go in and just get my body moving on something on a treadmill or a bike or a rower and then do some legs and do some movement and do some back and do some movement, do some core and do some movement and just kind of keep mixing it up as much as I can. But I do miss having a specific goal on the calendar. So you're have to hold me to get me to do something.
Todd Vogt (11:01)
Yeah
Exactly.
Yeah.
Eric Von Frohlich (11:20)
concrete.
Todd Vogt (11:21)
Yeah, all right, maybe we do a Spartan race. is like, Jay was trying to get me to do a Spartan race with him. He did one, I don't know, a couple months ago, but I think it was in Dodger Stadium too. all right, maybe we need to do one as a group because he's like, we'll find one for us to do next summer Something on the West Coast
Eric Von Frohlich (11:30)
that's cool.
Very, very cool. had a friend that we bumped into, one of my old head coaches from New York, who is the emcee for HYROX. So he's in town for, they just had one in Anaheim and now they have one this weekend in Vancouver. So he was heading up your direction a little bit.
Todd Vogt (11:43)
Yeah.
Alright, that's cool.
I'd be up for a, I'd
do a HYROX race. HYROX are basically like more cardio, know, take cross-up and take out the weight training stuff, right?
Eric Von Frohlich (12:04)
Well, take out the variability and take out the heavy weight training. ⁓ They have a pretty interesting format and it's always the same, so it's relatively easy to train for.
Todd Vogt (12:08)
Exactly, exactly.
Yeah, because there's always like
rowing in there, right? In some level, there's always like 500 or 1000 or something in there.
Eric Von Frohlich (12:21)
Yeah,
skier, rowing, burpees, lunging with ⁓ sandbag, farmer carry, sled pull, sled drag. What am I missing? Wall ball is the finisher. And that used to be one of my favorite workouts back in the day. There was a crossfit workout called carrying, which was 150 wall balls. So I decided to do it with a 2K.
Todd Vogt (12:32)
Nice.
Yeah. Yeah.
Eric Von Frohlich (12:45)
So, Road 500 did 50 wall balls, Road 500 did 50 wall balls, Road 500 did 50 wall balls, and...
Todd Vogt (12:48)
Yeah.
Yeah, dude,
Wall ball reminds me of rowing, like the rhythm of it, you It's like you catch it on the way down and just pop it back up. Like wall ball, whenever I would do crossword workouts, I could always almost recover a little bit on the wall ball, you know?
Eric Von Frohlich (12:58)
Exactly.
Yeah, I think a good time was somewhere around 16 minutes. So you give yourself a 2K pace for the rower with wall balls on top of it. That 2K pace became a little aggressive. But I'm sure you could pull that off. Matter of fact, maybe you should definitely test that out this week. 17 minutes of hell.
Todd Vogt (13:08)
All right. Thanks.
Yeah.
That would actually, that's not like,
yeah, maybe I'll give it a shot depending on the weather tomorrow. I'm supposed to row tomorrow morning with our group, but there's been this like atmospheric river coming through. I kept saying last night, it's like biblical. was like raining.
Eric Von Frohlich (13:36)
Uh-huh.
Todd Vogt (13:40)
Sideways whenever you watch a movie they like have rain in a movie and it's like you're like, I've never experienced rain where it's like, you know dumping buckets sideways It was kind of like that yesterday.
Eric Von Frohlich (13:43)
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I'd love to hear how you do on that because it's just, you know, it's really just a test of your anaerobic threshold. You you just kind of, find a pace that you can suffer through and just hold that pace and then hang on. You get into that last round and it gets pretty real.
Todd Vogt (13:53)
Yeah.
Yeah, all right.
Yeah.
Yeah, have you ever done, if you have the BikeErg and SkiErg, you can do the triathlon. They have like a triathlon function in there.
Eric Von Frohlich (14:16)
I never did it. I had them when I was in New York five years ago. I had them all in one gym but I never did their actual triathlon program.
Todd Vogt (14:20)
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's
cool because you connect all three devices through the monitor and it's total time. they're all linked together. I think the preferred method for people is it was Erg, SkiErg, bike, just because the transition is quick. So they have three of them on the machine that you can select. I did the super sprint, which was
Eric Von Frohlich (14:30)
Mm-hmm.
Okay. And what's the distance of them?
Todd Vogt (14:49)
500 meters on the Erg, 500 meters on the SkiErg, 1K on the bike. And the whole thing, including transitions, took me five minutes. That's like a pretty good time, it's five minutes. So I like 140 pace, or under 140 pace on the Erg. I tried to go conservative on the Erg, and not blow it out, and then I was, know, 145 on the SkiErg, and then like.
Eric Von Frohlich (14:58)
Great.
Todd Vogt (15:10)
then you just go all out on the bike with whatever you got left. So anyways, kind of along similar lines as to the workout you're talking about.
Eric Von Frohlich (15:13)
Right.
Very cool. Well, looking forward to you reporting back. I'm going to have to live vicariously through you for a couple more weeks until I get this clearance, but I'm heading in the right direction, so that's good.
Todd Vogt (15:20)
Alright.
Yeah, that's good.
That's always like a good feeling when you injure something and you can feel it like slowly getting better and you can add stuff back into your, you can go longer, harder or do new stuff, whatever. That's always a nice feeling.
Eric Von Frohlich (15:36)
Exactly. I have to get back on
my, I'm on my peptides. They're going well.
Todd Vogt (15:41)
Oh yeah, how's that working?
what are you taking?
Eric Von Frohlich (15:44)
one BBC 157 and TB 500.
Todd Vogt (15:46)
157. Okay, I'm
157. That's one that's like real popular.
Eric Von Frohlich (15:52)
Yeah, and they combine it usually with TB 500 because it makes a good stack. The TB is exactly. And so it's been about five days and so far it's feeling pretty good. I'm judging it as much on my non-surgically repaired shoulder, which is problematic. As much as my shoulder that I'm motivated to do it with is...
Todd Vogt (15:58)
Yeah, isn't that like the Wolverine stack or whatever?
Yeah.
Eric Von Frohlich (16:20)
is the one that was surgically repaired because we're about four months, I guess five months at this point out from the surgery. So starting to get to a point where I could start doing some weight training and starting to ramp it up a little bit. So I figured a little extra recovery would help. And so far so good. And now I just ran out of my Methylene Blue, which I enjoy quite a bit.
Todd Vogt (16:25)
Okay.
Thanks.
all right.
Do you, how do you take in methylene blue? Do you just drink it?
Eric Von Frohlich (16:49)
Yeah, you put it in. I put it in element. My water bottle and just kind of.
Todd Vogt (16:53)
Alright. Then it makes it like dark,
makes it like indigo or whatever.
Eric Von Frohlich (16:57)
Yeah, you pee like a Smurf or what I'd imagine a Smurf would pee like. It's definitely tinted blue. ⁓
Todd Vogt (17:05)
Alright, you
got all the exotic stuff working. You got the peptides, you got the methylene blue.
Eric Von Frohlich (17:10)
They're just kind of tapping into the things. I'm willing to try them and see if there's any benefit. So far, even if it's a placebo, I'll take whatever benefit I can get. far, those two things seem to be pretty consistent and seem to fall along the lines of everything that I've heard consistently. From the powers that be, the Dave Aspreys, the Gary Berkis, the Andrew Yilberman.
Todd Vogt (17:29)
That's cool.
Eric Von Frohlich (17:36)
Kind of like the All-Star hit list of Joe Rogan and biohackers are trying to optimize it. So that's working out pretty well. The thing that I'm going to start today is I'm adjusting my, and again, you got to check with your team. But I'm starting today, I'm going to try to draw out my dosage a little bit by another two hours.
Todd Vogt (17:38)
The biohackers, yeah.
Yeah.
Eric Von Frohlich (18:03)
and see what the effects are. If it's more optimal, instead of taking my medication every six hours, I'm gonna draw it out to eight hours and see if that works. And if it works, great, with the hope that maybe I can even draw it out to eight hours and drop a dose from three to two and get through two doses a day. Because there's that theory that the dystonia is caused by
Todd Vogt (18:12)
That's cool.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Eric Von Frohlich (18:29)
by your adaptation to the dopamine from the Cordoba. so dyskinesia, excuse me. ⁓
Todd Vogt (18:32)
Yeah. Oh yeah, the dyskinesia.
Yeah, I saw that. think
that was, you sent it to me, Like, something about that,
Eric Von Frohlich (18:40)
Yeah.
So if I can eliminate that or draw that out and extend that from happening, then I'm motivated to try to dial that in. But it's something that I have to do with my team and make sure that I'm following the protocol consistently and there's no other unintended side effects.
Todd Vogt (18:51)
Yeah.
Yeah, that's cool. I'm curious how it goes,
Eric Von Frohlich (19:05)
Yeah, because it's five years in now. So, you know, the years start piling up pretty quickly and just something and any motor based symptoms that I can avoid. I'm willing to do the work to to make that happen. So what about yourself? How is you have anything that you've been tapping into or trying?
Todd Vogt (19:11)
Yeah, no doubt, I understand.
⁓ let's
see. starting real basic. was trying to think of things that like help. And these are some of them are context specific. first thing, this might be a longer topic. I would say this is like the cheap, easy thing that helps most of all is that the, the, the better, the more quantity and improve quality asleep has like probably the most benefit of anything
Meaning the more I can see from the back, see.
Eric Von Frohlich (19:44)
Yeah, I'm glad you got away
from the exotic stuff and went back to the basics because...
Todd Vogt (19:48)
Yeah, I figured I'd like go
down to I'd get to the exotic stuff but this might lead to exotic stuff as well though. that's the basic idea like yeah if I can get nine hours of sleep and sleep pretty well I think like I'll feel great
Eric Von Frohlich (20:00)
Do you get nine hours total or do get nine hours straight through?
Todd Vogt (20:04)
Generally, well, all right, all right, this is a good question. generally I'm in bed mostly asleep for nine hours, but you know, with Parkinson's like, if I wake up in the middle of the night, like I don't obviously sleep as well as I did pre Parkinson's. I'm, you know, I'm sleeping for nine hours, but you know, the quality of sleep, like here's what I found is like the first four hours or so over the night, I sleep real soundly. And then the last like four hours, like a lot more shallow.
Eric Von Frohlich (20:28)
Uh-huh.
Todd Vogt (20:29)
Last night, for example, was interesting too. I don't know if we have these, I guess it's REM sleep disorder. This is one of the first symptoms, symptoms which I didn't realize was a symptom at the time. In 2016, a couple years before I got diagnosed, was fighting in my sleep a lot. I was kicking and punching the wall. Yeah, I had one of those dreams last night. They're strange, man. They're where I was getting the...
Eric Von Frohlich (20:46)
Yeah.
Yeah, your body
can respond so violently and so quickly. It's kind of shocking.
Todd Vogt (20:54)
I know. Yeah, and they've been crazy
dreams.
Eric Von Frohlich (20:57)
that's a let me just comment on it. I have broken at that same broken sleep. It's four hours are pretty good. And then it's pretty on and off for the rest of the night where I used to get frustrated with it. Now I just kind of roll with it and get get through and try to get time in bed as much as I can. But the quality of sleep is definitely a super hack if you can figure it out.
Todd Vogt (21:01)
yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Eric Von Frohlich (21:21)
probably has the most benefit out of anything that I do on the more exotic end.
Todd Vogt (21:28)
For sure. Yeah, it's got more payoff. Here's what I've noticed. This is a recent thing. This is not exotic, but I've just been trying, like I'll get up in the middle and like to pee and then I took some medication, put it in the bathroom and so I'll take like half a tablet of Carbidopa Levodopa. I've been experimenting with that. Let's see if that improves the second half of the night. It seems like it does help. Then it just tamps down my tremor, which can be annoying.
Eric Von Frohlich (21:44)
Uh-huh.
Todd Vogt (21:53)
So that's an experiment I've been working on lately. The other two things that I use not a lot, I've used in the past many a times, guess is CBD. CBD can be one of these things that like, it's a cure-all. The one thing that does do really well for me is that they can get high doses, it helps me sleep. What I mean by high doses is like 100 to 200 milligrams. The other thing is, yeah, and there's this company that I was sponsored by them. I think I'm technically still sponsored, but they don't really do much with them.
Eric Von Frohlich (22:13)
wow.
Todd Vogt (22:20)
They're called Lazarus Naturals, so they make like 100 and 200 milligram tablets. So I'm not a shield for Lazarus Naturals. I've just used the product. So, and it's great.
Eric Von Frohlich (22:31)
Very
cool. Yeah, well if it works for you, you should talk about it.
Todd Vogt (22:35)
Yeah,
so either like, yeah, one or 200 milligrams of CBD that like it produced what I also say I feel like it's like I feel stoned from the neck down. Yeah. So which is great. Yeah, it helps like with tremor as well. so I'll use that maybe like two times a week, like just take CBD and maybe one other time a week I'll use to just take some THC like a gummy like a couple of milligrams. don't need it doesn't require much like two milligrams.
Eric Von Frohlich (22:45)
okay.
Todd Vogt (23:00)
Like THC and CBD, whether in combo or separate, I think are kind of a really useful sleep medication for me.
Eric Von Frohlich (23:07)
that's
great. No side effects? You don't wake up groggy or...
Todd Vogt (23:10)
Little bit but nothing dramatic like maybe a little groggy for the first hour when you're awake, you know I haven't found anything like to be excessively groggy. So I know that happens a lot of people but luckily that
Eric Von Frohlich (23:21)
Yeah, but if
you're getting a good night's sleep, it's worth the trade-off maybe.
Todd Vogt (23:25)
100%, that's exactly how I feel. I'm willing to deal with being groggy for about an hour or so until I warm up, whatever, and then for the really improved quality of sleep. So that's one thing. The other thing, I don't know, I probably went in my daily stack of supplements, which I don't take a ton, but at least now, but one of them is magnesium. I've been taking magnesium glycinate for a long time.
Eric Von Frohlich (23:36)
Okay.
And you like Glycinate better than Theonate?
Todd Vogt (23:50)
I don't know. I don't know if I've tried Theonate be honest, like Citrate maybe the other one. Yeah, I think I've tried those two for sure. I haven't tried the Theonate.
Eric Von Frohlich (23:55)
Yes, it's true.
else to add to your Christmas list.
Todd Vogt (24:02)
Yeah, exactly. Those are my sleep hacks right there. I mean, I kind of like wear eye mask and yeah,
Eric Von Frohlich (24:09)
nights than that. I'll do mouth taping.
Todd Vogt (24:12)
yeah, like, I
like mouth taping too. think it's good. really enjoy, I think that improves my quality of sleep too. That's something I've tried. Yeah.
Eric Von Frohlich (24:18)
Yeah, definitely. I'd
say it's probably 20 % more efficient. not that I snore, but if I had any breathing issues, breathing through your nose seems to clear it up a lot quicker than what you would think is in the case if you are forced to breathe through your nose.
Todd Vogt (24:33)
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I like them all.
Eric Von Frohlich (24:36)
and the nasal strip because I have a deviated septum.
Todd Vogt (24:37)
Yeah, that's a good one too.
yeah.
Eric Von Frohlich (24:40)
So sleep, we got sleep covered. What about on the recovery end? Doing any massage or any sort of soft tissue work or is that just a part of your workout?
Todd Vogt (24:51)
Okay.
I have not been getting massages or anything but I do have foam roller and I have the hypervolt, which I like a lot as well. a lot of times I'll just like roll around on the foam roller while we're watching TV at night, you know, and some like night stretch.
Eric Von Frohlich (25:03)
Yes.
Todd Vogt (25:04)
Like generally like after dinner Heather and I will just chill and watch TV or whatever, watch a program or something. And a lot of times during that I'll just roll around on the carpet for you know 10 minutes or whatever 15 minutes.
Eric Von Frohlich (25:14)
Very cool. Yeah, it probably helps you unwind quite a bit too.
Todd Vogt (25:18)
Yeah, then I can tackle any specific areas that are jacked up, whether it's my elbow or something like that. Here's the exotic things. I have actually a hyperbaric chamber in my house. My sister bought it for me. I try to get in there every day for 30, 40 minutes, but practically speaking, I'm probably in there a couple times a week. We talked about this before. I never through the night, I take naps in there, but.
Eric Von Frohlich (25:24)
Did you?
cool.
You ever sleep in it?
Todd Vogt (25:41)
That's generally what I do in there. I just go nap for like 45 minutes, know, put my earbuds in, put an eye mask on and you know, there's a mattress pad and a pillow. So you just crawl in there, zip it closed, pass out for 45 minutes, whatever.
Eric Von Frohlich (25:54)
Very cool.
Todd Vogt (25:56)
I don't know if you've tried this one, I have a naturopath who I've tried all kinds of different infusions with him, like glutathione infusion, glutathione push, alpha lipoic acid infusion with the glutathione infusion. Or the other one that I really like, I've done an NAD drip, that's not the one I'm going, NAD drip was, I felt great afterwards for a couple days, but doing the drip is kind of horrible. The one that's great.
Eric Von Frohlich (26:10)
Mm-hmm.
just because it
takes so long?
Todd Vogt (26:21)
It does take so long and I don't know if you've ever done it. kind of, you toggle IV bag yourself, you just toggle it. And if it goes too fast, it feels like there's like a rock on your heart. It feels like you're, no, it feels like you're kind of suffocating and you kind of, you try to stay like right on the spot where you can, the speed of the drip that you can manage it basically. Well, I found something better. This is the best one is ozone, like IV ozone therapy. So.
Eric Von Frohlich (26:30)
Doesn't sound fun.
Yeah, haven't
done it.
Todd Vogt (26:47)
Have you done, yeah, no, that's like, gives you the, I think it's superior to NED because it's like easier and it gives you the same effect essentially, it like fires up your mitochondria and everything, so. And I've done it a couple ways, like my current naturopath has this fancy German machine, you know, you hook up, it takes out like a quarter pint of blood, mixes in the ozone, pumps it back in, it does that like four, five, six, seven times, whatever it takes, you know. Or my old naturopath did the old school way where he took like three quarters of a
Eric Von Frohlich (27:10)
Very cool.
Todd Vogt (27:14)
of a pint of blood in a bag, injected the ozone gas through it and it goes from like purple-ish to like tomato orange. Then he puts it back in your body. You do that, that old school way that Andy used to do? Oh man, like I felt like King Kong for like two days, Felt like King Kong on meth, know, whatever.
Eric Von Frohlich (27:21)
wow.
Amazing.
So ozone therapy, you got to look into it.
Todd Vogt (27:37)
I think for somebody with Parkinson's too, it's kind of like NAD, it fires up your mitochondria, right? So with Parkinson's, one of the main symptoms is fatigue, right? And so it combats, what I would say, least for me, is one of my main symptoms. So for two days, I suddenly have no Parkinson's fatigue, really. I used to do that a lot of times before we had our tests for the national team. Whether it was a 2K or 6K, because like,
Eric Von Frohlich (27:47)
Yeah.
That's amazing.
Todd Vogt (28:01)
Basically it guarantees you have an up day basically. know, like some days you go into the gym and you work out and you're like, I'm not getting tired today. Like I can do as hard as I want. And other days you're like, you can barely get through the goddamn warmup, you know?
Eric Von Frohlich (28:08)
Yeah.
But it's been a while since I've had one of those days, but I do remember then.
Todd Vogt (28:16)
Yeah, well sometimes when we do hard work out, you do your normal warm up, like typical warm up is like 10 minutes of easy rowing and then like 10 minutes where you go hard for like 10 strokes, and then back off for a minute and a half and you do that, take a stroke right up. And you know, you can kind of tell how a workout is going to go from the warm up 10s, like you do your first 10 at say 24 strokes a minute.
Eric Von Frohlich (28:26)
Yeah.
Todd Vogt (28:36)
And if you're feeling good, you're like, no big deal. This is easy. And you can just tell, and you're hitting your numbers. And some days you go to your first 10 to 24, and you're like, oh my God, I can barely like, that day you're just like, all right, I'm gonna have to struggle my way through this. So anyways, when you do Ozone, you're like, the next day you do a workout I go, whoa, I'm going to crush this thing, you know?
Eric Von Frohlich (28:44)
Right.
Well, I'm looking forward to adding that to my... I'm have to pull something out that's not working and add that in.
Todd Vogt (29:03)
That's awesome.
I love that treatment. I had to do one exotic treatment, would do one exotic sort of therapy. I would do that more than anything.
Eric Von Frohlich (29:12)
Very cool. And you like the new version as much as the old version, if I'm given a choice?
Todd Vogt (29:18)
I would say the old version is superior, but like I said, I think I mentioned it, the naturopath at my clinic who used to do the old school version moved to Sedona to be like an ayahuasca shaman guy. So, and the other naturopath has this fancy German machine which is cool, but it doesn't quite have like the, you feel good, not like, you don't feel like King Kong on that. Yeah, you don't feel like, it was almost dangerous, because I've go.
Eric Von Frohlich (29:21)
Uh-huh.
wow.
That's supercharged, right?
Todd Vogt (29:45)
you know, do it on a Friday and then I'd go Saturday morning, do like a hard workout in the morning. Then I'd be like, I'm not even tired. Then you go to the gym again, you know, do another like hard workout. Then by like five in afternoon, you're like, you can barely move. And you're like, what did I just do to myself, you know?
Eric Von Frohlich (29:54)
Right.
Exactly, as the effects start wearing off and the recovery starts setting in. What about, ⁓ what's your experience with saunas?
Todd Vogt (30:00)
Yeah, boy. So.
I love a sauna actually. I've done like a bunch of sauna and I have like a really simple cold plunge. I have like a hundred gallon Rubbermaid light stock container in my backyard. So I've experimented with some cold plungers and I had a red light sauna set up in my house like with a bamboo, but I just don't have space for it. So I would say doing a sauna, especially post exercise is awesome. I love that. It's like pleasant. It feels good, you know.
Eric Von Frohlich (30:16)
okay.
Yeah, it seems like the data is pretty high on on saunas reducing overall total mobility, death tolls and stuff. The reduction is like 40 percent or 50 percent. So all cause mortality. What's that?
Todd Vogt (30:44)
Yeah, I think there's to endurance too.
I read some studies that there's endurance benefits as well.
Eric Von Frohlich (30:51)
Yeah, we definitely think so. And then you get I don't have access to it at my one gym, but I have to kind of approach it cautiously given current recovery. So no one has told me not to do it. But when I visit my cardiologist, I'll make sure that I'm cleared for
Todd Vogt (30:54)
You have a sauna?
yeah.
Yeah, someone can jack it up exactly Yeah.
Eric Von Frohlich (31:15)
Yeah, exactly. So.
Yeah,
breathing sometimes a little challenging. it's trying to keep that on the manageable end has kind of been the focus for the last two months. So my cardio conditioning is nowhere where it used to be, but it should bounce back pretty quickly.
Todd Vogt (31:29)
Let's go.
Yeah, what about cold plunge? What's your experience?
Eric Von Frohlich (31:40)
I like the cold plunge, I find the cold shower is more accessible.
Todd Vogt (31:44)
yeah, 100%, I totally agree.
Eric Von Frohlich (31:45)
And I think that the benefit is marginal. It's probably better for the cold plunge, but I don't think it's that much better that, you know, hitting a cold shower for two or three minutes is probably gives you enough recovery that it gets enough of the benefit without any of the extra effort it takes to get in a cold plunge.
Todd Vogt (32:12)
Yeah, for sure. plunge, yeah, the thing you can do in the shower too is can contrast, you can do the contrast as well, which feels great. Yeah, and the cold plunge, I don't know, it takes up a little space. I mean, it's just kind of miserable. You feel great, you get that sort of buzz afterwards, but.
Eric Von Frohlich (32:18)
Yeah.
Yeah, there's a bigger mental hurdle for me to get in a cold plunge and it is for me to just turn the dial on the shower. You know, so I have that conversation with myself where, know, it's like face the thing that intimidates you and so I'll enjoy a nice hot shower and then just blast the cold and kind of hyperventilate for two minutes and get through it. It's certainly if nothing else, it certainly wakes you up quite a bit.
Todd Vogt (32:35)
100 %? Yeah, exactly. I do that quite a bit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, for sure. I'm with you on that 100%. That's exactly kind of what
Yeah.
Eric Von Frohlich (32:59)
so sauna, what about, what about red light? You mentioned you had red light in your house and it didn't make the cut because you ran out of space.
Todd Vogt (33:06)
I liked it, it was pleasant and all, They're hard to assess sometimes, there's also cost benefit as far as time analysis. Everything's got cost benefit for actual costs and then time as well. So I don't know, I mean, it's pleasant. I wouldn't not do it, but it's like.
Eric Von Frohlich (33:13)
Yeah.
Todd Vogt (33:24)
I guess it depends, are we talking red light sauna on or like a red light device, you know?
Eric Von Frohlich (33:27)
Yeah, my gym has a red light sauna, which is pretty beneficial. I just need to spend a little more time in it and try to track what the exact payoff is. But I know like a hard workout, my payoff is I sleep better. So I'm motivated to do the hard workout. And I think I'd imagine the sauna is probably the same. On the days that I track down a sauna and spend enough time in it is
Todd Vogt (33:31)
Yeah.
Eric Von Frohlich (33:56)
I probably end up sleeping quite a bit better, again I need to track it a little more systematically to justify the time expense and the cost expense.
Todd Vogt (34:08)
Yeah, no doubt. I think if I had access to it, if the gym I was at had red light sauna, I'd probably get in there for a few minutes, once in a while. But it's like, am I going to spend time and money and effort to seek one out now?
Eric Von Frohlich (34:15)
Right.
Right, and 40 minutes is kind of precious time.
Todd Vogt (34:20)
I'm ready.
Yeah, exactly. Some of these things are easy. I feel as though, like I was saying, I'd rather either take a nap. If I had 45 minutes extra, I'd rather take a nap, whether in or out of the hyperbaric chamber Or even a little meditation or whatever,
Eric Von Frohlich (34:36)
It's
beauty of peptides.
Todd Vogt (34:41)
Yeah, you can add like 50 of them in a second.
Eric Von Frohlich (34:42)
Get
a shot and let it do its thing for six or eight hours. then it's a little more economical time-wise, that's for sure.
Todd Vogt (34:54)
Yeah, I realized something about the peptides. I was doing a little research. Part of it, now that I'm on it, I suppose I can use them now. I'm not in the WADA doping pool anymore, you know? Because they were banned. I didn't realize they're all basically banned by WADA, so.
Eric Von Frohlich (35:04)
that's right.
Yeah, which is kind
of crazy. I mean, it's an amino acid. It's like banning creatine and you can only eat so much steak. But that's one that I think we have a tendency going back to like basics and easy to access stuff. Creatine is grossly underappreciated. I think it's been blowing up lately, but it's still underappreciated for the benefits.
Todd Vogt (35:12)
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly.
yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely, I mean I've been taking it like routinely, meeting daily for several years now, you know.
Eric Von Frohlich (35:41)
Yeah, would imagine. It started probably in my 20s, so it's probably been 30 years of cycling on and off and pretty consistently. ⁓
Todd Vogt (35:50)
Yeah, it's
like that is, and there's actual benefits both like at least there's some evidence of physical benefits as well as like cognitive benefits too.
Eric Von Frohlich (35:58)
Yeah, so seems like there's quite a few cognitive benefits.
Todd Vogt (36:02)
Yeah, and I mean, it's cheap, it's easy, it's tasteless. Like you can put it in coffee, you can it water.
Eric Von Frohlich (36:07)
Yeah, it's
probably the most diagnosed and steady drug of the last 50 years. The amount of dosages that have been out and no side effects is pretty remarkable.
Todd Vogt (36:14)
Totally.
Yeah, the cost benefit in the sort of drawbacks is like, leans in favor of doing it. It's like, it's cheap, there's minimal side effects, doesn't have taste, like it's so easy to use it. And like a jug, a year supply is like 20 bucks or whatever, you know?
Eric Von Frohlich (36:32)
Exactly.
Todd Vogt (36:33)
So it's like, yeah, that one kind of seems like a no-brainer, you know?
Eric Von Frohlich (36:36)
So what do we got? got sauna is a no brainer. We got just a time factor at the sauna, but we can work around that. Obviously sleep is super priority. Obviously strength training is a super priority. Methylene blue, I'm a big fan of. BBC and...
Todd Vogt (36:41)
yeah.
Exactly.
Eric Von Frohlich (36:58)
TB 500, the Wolverine stack is yet to be determined, but it seems like it's heading in the right direction. What about diet? Are you kind of following the traditional Mediterranean or are you playing with anything else?
Todd Vogt (37:11)
I don't know
how I define my diet. It's like for lack of using an overly abused word, I just try to eat clean, whatever that means. Here's a typical diet for me. this morning I had a bowl of granola with a mixture of dairy milk and almond milk. It's probably 12 ounces, like six ounces of each with.
Eric Von Frohlich (37:22)
Yeah.
Todd Vogt (37:31)
some granola and then I threw in the granola, I threw in a bunch of pecans, like a handful of pecans, and I threw in like a handful of raspberries and some raisins as well. So I had that and then I had like a cup of coffee with just like a little bit of sugar and a little bit of half and half and that's like, that's a pretty typical breakfast, know, like whatever that is, probably like 12 ounces, eight to 12 ounces of coffee and and then a bunch of water. It's like, I probably drink like 30 ounces of water as well. Boom, there's breakfast.
Eric Von Frohlich (37:53)
Yeah.
Well, I'll counter that with Greek yogurt with some hemp seed, some creatine, and or hard-boiled eggs.
Todd Vogt (38:02)
Yeah, well creatine happens in the morning too,
Nice. That's good. That's like pretty solid. Yeah.
Eric Von Frohlich (38:12)
It's and again, I'll put it in the same category of clean heavier on the protein side because of my strength training and my wanting to maintain muscle mass. But it's that that's pretty consistent. And that's only if I'm not intermittent fasting, in which case breakfast gets sacrificed for the meal or I just postpone breakfast until I my
Todd Vogt (38:20)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Eric Von Frohlich (38:37)
open window of like six hours. So if I'm intermittent fasting, I'll have my breakfast same, I'll just have it at two o'clock instead of six o'clock. But I probably flirt with the idea of playing with ketosis quite a bit. So sometimes I'll find myself eating lots of sardines and getting in cycle with that. And I like the mental clarity and the beauty of
Todd Vogt (38:47)
Yeah.
nice.
Eric Von Frohlich (39:02)
ketones, whether they're exogenous or your body's producing them, is the mental clarity. Obviously, I'm not ketosis right now, but just because I'm having some mental fog today.
Todd Vogt (39:17)
Yeah. Is this like our ketone something you normally use?
Eric Von Frohlich (39:21)
I usually exogenous ketones I supplement with. I'm a big fan of that. It kind of satiates hunger. It's a clean, super clean fuel source for workouts. And if I'm doing intermittent fasting, I feel like it's not cheating. So it gives me some extra fuel to work from. So I'm a big fan of them. And then of course sardines are a recent discovery of mine.
Todd Vogt (39:27)
Yeah, you do while you're working out or as well.
Nice.
Eric Von Frohlich (39:47)
I think there's lots of benefits to that given the amount of omegas in them. And they apparently have the lowest mercury in all fish.
Todd Vogt (39:51)
Yeah, for sure.
cool. I guess maybe they're
like lower on the food chain, you know? On the food, on the fish food chain. Yeah, they're good. They're like, they're easy. Yeah, cause you can just get a can of them. They taste pretty good, you know, so.
Eric Von Frohlich (40:00)
Yeah.
Yeah, it's as good as anything else. It's as good as power bar or anything else.
Todd Vogt (40:10)
Yeah, It works a little too.
Like you can put it on a sandwich or you can just put it over like greens or whatever too. So yeah, exactly. Let's see.
Eric Von Frohlich (40:16)
Yeah, just eating them out of the can. It's,
what about lunch or dinner?
Todd Vogt (40:23)
Alright, lunch is generally like sort of a grab bag. I'd say most consistently I have some sort of Greek yogurt with some blueberries is typical, maybe some bananas as well. Then a lot of times I'll just do leftovers from dinner Or sometimes I'll have like, keep it simple and just have some toast with some earth balance.
Eric Von Frohlich (40:31)
Mm-hmm.
Todd Vogt (40:40)
and then maybe like a little bit of peanut butter and something like that and maybe like a touch of honey on that. that's kind of it.
Eric Von Frohlich (40:45)
It sounds like we're
both advocates of eat for fuel, not for being a foodie.
Todd Vogt (40:50)
No, yeah, I mean, it's, yeah, I don't know. I try to eat like what tastes good too, you know, so. I love piece of toast with peanut butter and honey. That's like freaking delicious, you know, so.
Eric Von Frohlich (40:52)
Are you a hidden foodie?
Yeah,
Yeah, my 14 year old last night decided to whip up some tri tip before he went on a hunting trip today. ⁓ So he got his Traeger fired up and cooked up some tri tip and left me about four or five pounds of tri tip for the next week. Yeah, you'll have to come down sometime. It's one of those gifts that keeps on giving. I got him a Traeger last Christmas and ⁓
Todd Vogt (41:08)
really? That's cool.
Dude, that sounds amazing actually, I'm jealous of that.
That's cool.
Eric Von Frohlich (41:29)
We've had octopus and brisket and a kind of lobster when he goes lobster diving and whatever he spearfishes he brings back and always cooks it up and he's got a generous heart so he's always sharing with me and it's pretty epic.
Todd Vogt (41:32)
Dude, that sounds amazing.
Ah man.
That sounds pretty amazing.
Eric Von Frohlich (41:47)
Yeah, now he's
duck hunting this weekend. So hopefully we'll some fresh duck come Christmas.
Todd Vogt (41:55)
Nice, that's all I This is making me hungry now. I need to eat lunch after this. The only thing I have a lot of during lunch, depending on what I already have, is I'll generally throw like, sometimes I'll throw in a protein shake. Same thing like, I'll just blend up some whey with some almond milk, maybe some ice and some hemp seed too, or chia.
Eric Von Frohlich (42:11)
Yeah,
I've been off my usual protein shakes. I need to get back. I think the change in my conditioning and the amount I'm working out is different. So I've kind of sacrificed my protein shakes, but I definitely need to add those back into my life.
Todd Vogt (42:28)
Yeah, that's generally for lunch. It depends on what I'm doing. But yeah, that's kind of the typical lunch. Either leftovers or some toast with some protein shake with some peanut butter. Dinner, make dinner for Heather and I. So I generally kind of make the same thing. I make a lot of sheet pan dinners, like broccoli. My wife, Heather has like, she has a lot of food allergies. Like she's gluten intolerant.
Eric Von Frohlich (42:52)
huh.
Todd Vogt (42:52)
She's allergic to dairy. She can't necessarily eat a ton of grains. So, like dinner, because of that, our dinners are very, like pretty damn healthy.
Eric Von Frohlich (43:01)
the same boat, so it's apparently you have to marry someone who's got food allergies and it cleans your diet up.
Todd Vogt (43:06)
to make you
improve the quality of your diet. Yeah, so in chief name like chicken thighs, broccoli, and like some sweet potatoes or something like that, you know?
Eric Von Frohlich (43:09)
Exactly.
Yeah, Deb added some steak back into her diet after about 10 years and it's been very beneficial and I think she actually kind of secretly enjoys it.
Todd Vogt (43:21)
that's awesome.
Dude, steak,
I love me a steak. I'll take that over anything else. Yeah.
Eric Von Frohlich (43:30)
Yeah, if I was stuck with a diet,
I could lean into the carnivore diet for quite a few years before.
Todd Vogt (43:37)
Yeah, we're good.
Flat iron, ribeye, New York strip. Yeah, man, I'll take one those anytime.
Eric Von Frohlich (43:43)
So we got little nutrition in there. We got a little supplements in there. We got our saunas. We have some exogenous ketones. We touched on some exotic stuff like peptides. Although I guess they're not that exotic anymore. They seem to be pretty mainstream, at least from my feeds. ⁓
Todd Vogt (43:51)
Yeah.
Yeah, no doubt.
Peptides are sort of, making their way in.
Eric Von Frohlich (44:05)
but probably more people are doing them now than have ever done them thanks to GLP-1 and stuff like that.
Todd Vogt (44:10)
Oh yeah, no,
completely agree, yeah.
Eric Von Frohlich (44:13)
We touched on sleep.
Todd Vogt (44:13)
⁓
sleep, yeah, sleep and anything that helps sleep whether it's magnesium or THC or CBD.
Eric Von Frohlich (44:19)
Yeah, I think that it comes down to a paradox of choice. You know, would how much time and how much bandwidth can you give to biohacking this unfortunate condition we find ourselves living with? But.
Todd Vogt (44:23)
For sure.
Totally, yeah.
Eric Von Frohlich (44:35)
It does seem to affect every decision you make to one degree or another, getting a couple of things on as tried and true and knowing you can just kind of make them a part of your life is probably a good thing. It takes away the mental indecision or the choice that you can otherwise become confronted with.
Todd Vogt (44:47)
Yes.
Yeah,
yeah, you're right. I think that's the key thing with a lot of these is like easy ways to, like a 40 point checklist that you have to do every day, you know?
Eric Von Frohlich (45:01)
Exactly,
Todd Vogt (45:01)
The other thing, speaking of supplements, I take a probiotic every day as well, so.
Eric Von Frohlich (45:05)
Yeah, it makes a huge difference. It's pertinent to our condition. probiotics are probably grossly underrated. I opt for the fermented food group, and yogurts and stuff like that, but I could probably benefit from a good probiotic as well.
Todd Vogt (45:11)
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. Okay,
I have a quick story. I had, an acquaintance, Pulled me aside, like after I got diagnosed, I was one of the parents of this rowing club I was coaching They pulled me aside. I announced to the team, like maybe after four months after I got diagnosed that I was diagnosed at our fall party, whatever.
Eric Von Frohlich (45:41)
Uh-huh.
Todd Vogt (45:41)
announce it to the team, to the parents and everybody. like a couple days later, this parent called me up and was like, I gotta meet with you. So met with them at like a Starbucks and they were passionately describing how they were gonna cure my Parkinson's by having me eat yogurt basically, by improving my health. I mean, that's the good side of this talk is that when you have Parkinson's, everybody wants to give you advice.
Eric Von Frohlich (45:56)
great.
I wish you were
that's true.
Todd Vogt (46:05)
Or they want to tell you, not only do they want to give you advice, they also, I'm sure you've experienced this too, they're like, well, my dad had, my neighbor had Parkinson's and he did, you he stood on his head every day for 20 minutes and he lived to be 85. You're like, great, thanks. Everybody wants, you know, some of it, most of it's probably good intention. Some of it's annoying, you know, whether it's good, maybe not good intention, but
Eric Von Frohlich (46:18)
Right. Right.
Yeah.
Todd Vogt (46:27)
have you ever experienced that like, or how frequently do you experience people pull you aside and like, have you tried running? Have you tried, you know, whatever, either something super basic or something completely ridiculous, you know?
Eric Von Frohlich (46:39)
Yeah, I haven't had a lot of it, but there's some people in the gym that are constantly hitting me up with well-intended information, whether it's supplementation or peptides or not that they're going to cure it, but if you can get a bump in the needle a little bit,
Todd Vogt (46:55)
Mm-hmm.
Eric Von Frohlich (46:59)
you stack a couple of those things together, then they become meaningful. But I think between sauna and red light and the things that we've been doing that we seem continually to do, we've gotten a lot of that benefit already. And so.
Todd Vogt (47:02)
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
Eric Von Frohlich (47:15)
Right now I'm not showing a great day for this, but I'm gonna try to get my workout in and try to get my body moving and try to eat something and see if that kind of gets me feeling a little better this afternoon.
Todd Vogt (47:28)
Yeah, dude, I hope it feels better. I think it's good though to show reality. Jimmy Choi has done this, for example, sometimes on his Instagram clips. He'll have clips of where he's off medication and he'll, I love Jimmy, and this is gonna sound weird, but he'll have spots where he's not on medication. looks like he's having a rough time. He's tremoring, he can barely speak, he's like Brady, he's stopping and has some Bradykinesia. And then he'll take his medication and he'll be like,
Eric Von Frohlich (47:49)
Yeah.
Todd Vogt (47:56)
fluid and smooth. My point is I think it's really good for people to see the variety of how you can feel on a daily basis.
Eric Von Frohlich (48:05)
Yeah,
it's, you know, it affects so many things that sometimes it's hard to like, if you don't wake up and you're not stiff or you're not shuffling your feet, you make the assumption that it's going to be a good day. And I try to make that assumption as a mindset every day that something good is going to happen and it's going to be a good day. But then one of those other kind of less obvious symptoms shows up and you're slurring your words or you're not you're not moving as
smoothly as you would like or as quickly as you'd like and it's just the reality of it and then trying to maintain your mental composure and get through your day so you're still effective is a bit of a challenge but I think that that's what makes it what it is.
Todd Vogt (48:33)
Yeah, exactly.
For sure.