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Julie Shiller, MS, CSCS, CMPC Candidate, who is also pursuing her clinical licensure. She is an AthMindset® Mental Performance Practitioner and sport and performance therapist with Align Bay Area Sport Psychology. A former youth athlete who left sport without the body-confidence and mental-health support she needed, Julie now channels that lived experience into helping athletes and coaches thrive as whole people.
With more than 15 years in coaching and human performance—including extensive work as a strength and conditioning coach—Julie guides growth across the physical, mental, and emotional domains. She is also a trainer for Positive Coaching Alliance and the founder of The Other 23 Hours Coaching, where she supports athletes in the transformational moments that happen outside of practice and competition.
Whether she’s working with youth competitors, collegiate teams, or coaches seeking to build healthy, high-performing environments, Julie brings empathy, evidence-based practice, and a holistic perspective to her work.
Chapters
0:00 — Athlete Mindset & SportsEpreneur
0:17 — Cold open + energy check
1:09 — Welcome & introduction to Julie Shiller
2:00 — Julie’s background: coaching, performance, and lived experience
4:10 — Leaving sport without support & why it matters
6:45 — Athlete identity and body confidence
9:30 — Eating disorder awareness in athletics
12:10 — Why the “other 23 hours” matter most
15:05 — Coaches as culture-setters
18:40 — Starting with the coach before the athlete
22:15 — Building team-wide support systems
26:30 — Youth and collegiate athlete considerations
30:05 — Integrating physical, mental, and emotional performance
34:10 — What healthy sport environments actually look like
38:20 — Advice for coaches and practitioners
41:31 — Closing reflections & appreciation
0:17 — Cold open + energy check
1:09 — Welcome & introduction to Julie Shiller
2:00 — Julie’s background: coaching, performance, and lived experience
4:10 — Leaving sport without support & why it matters
6:45 — Athlete identity and body confidence
9:30 — Eating disorder awareness in athletics
12:10 — Why the “other 23 hours” matter most
15:05 — Coaches as culture-setters
18:40 — Starting with the coach before the athlete
22:15 — Building team-wide support systems
26:30 — Youth and collegiate athlete considerations
30:05 — Integrating physical, mental, and emotional performance
34:10 — What healthy sport environments actually look like
38:20 — Advice for coaches and practitioners
41:31 — Closing reflections & appreciation
Information and short-form content on athletes and eating disorders
Go here for resources and education
Go here for resources and education
A note on body confidence: The sense of comfort, acceptance, and positive attitude a person has toward their own body. It’s not just about appearance—it’s about how you feel in your own skin, respecting and appreciating your body’s abilities, and being less influenced by societal pressures or unrealistic ideals.
For athletes, body confidence is particularly important because it affects performance, recovery, and mental health. Athletes with strong body confidence are more likely to trust their bodies, maintain healthy habits, and enjoy their sport without being hindered by anxiety or shame about their appearance.
More content by SportsEpreneur on athlete mental health:
More content by SportsEpreneur on athlete mental health:
Why players are taking control of their health | The pressure placed on college athletes | Teaching resilience in youth sports
Connect with Julie Shiller:
Connect with the host & podcast production team:
Credits: Athlete Mindset is part of SportsEpreneur
Produced by KazCM and also featured on the QuietLoud Studios podcast network.
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Produced by KazCM and also featured on the QuietLoud Studios podcast network.
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Creators and Guests
Host
What is Athlete Mindset?
This is the Athlete Mindset podcast. Presented and produced by SportsEpreneur. Part of the QuietLoud Studios Podcast Network.
And this podcast is all about mental health in sports.
This podcast series is a space for conversations with athletes, coaches, practitioners, and stakeholders in sports. And it’s where those individuals share their perspectives, experiences, and thoughts on mental health in sports.
Hosted by Lisa Bonta Sumii, LCSW, CMPC - Mental Performance Coach at Bay FC and CEO & Founder of AthMindset®
Eric Kasimov, Founder of KazSource and the creator of SportsEpreneur, is generously hosting the Athlete Mindset podcast on his platform as he deeply believes these conversations are essential and deserve to be prioritized.
If you are looking to start a podcast or create original content, you have to talk with the team at SportsEpreneur. I work with them and I vouch for them. It’s that simple.
About Lisa Bonta Sumii, LCSW, CMPC
Lisa is a mental health therapist with over 21 years of clinical experience, licensed in both CA and NV. She is Mental Performance Coach at Bay FC and CEO & Founder of AthMindset®
Lisa supports the elite athlete to achieve optimal mental health and peak mental sport performance. She works with adolescent sport teams, collegiate student-athletes, Olympians/Olympic hopefuls, as well as professional athletes and teams.
Lisa is the first-ever Mental Health & Sport Performance Specialist for the Oakland Roots Sports Club. The Roots are a men’s professional soccer team and purpose-driven club. Seeing the elite athlete as a multidimensional human, navigating various roles and identities, is integral to Lisa’s approach. Focusing on the role that interpersonal trauma, culture, race, gender, and sexual orientation play as the athlete navigates life on and off the field, is at the center of her work.
Lisa is listed in the United States Olympic and Paralympic Committee’s Mental Health Registry and the National Football League Player Association’s Clinician Directory.
Lisa is often an invited podcast guest and conference speaker. Besides hosting the Athlete Mindset podcast on the SportsE+ podcast platform. She spoke at TEDxWilmington on the intersection of race, mental health, and sport.
She has been featured in Time Magazine, Teen Vogue, BBC World News, and Women’s Health Magazine.
AthMindset, LLC, supports the mental health of the elite athlete and their ecosystem. This includes serving the spouses/partners, family members, coaches, teams, referees/umpires, agents, and athletic trainers, with clinical services and sport performance consultation.
To get more content like this check out https://sportsepreneur.com and https://quietloudstudios.com/
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Did we do it?
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Yes.
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Let's go.
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Julie, you're awesome.
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Oh, my God.
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I appreciate you so much.
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You are fantastic.
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I just.
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I love it.
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I love love it.
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What?
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You're sick.
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What?
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No, I'm OK.
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I'm OK.
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You're OK.
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Do I sound funny?
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Uh oh.
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Yeah, I do.
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You sound like you're not feeling well.
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At first I thought you were saying you
you're sick.
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Like you're awesome.
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You're sick.
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Well, you are.
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You are sick.
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You're awesome.
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Yeah.
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Actually, now you sound better.
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So it's just like, yeah, like a weird.
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Maybe it was the mic.
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It was the mic.
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I was like, I was like,
Julie told me I'm sick.
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What?
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Well, I mean, you are sick.
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That's so funny.
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That is so funny.
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We're doing this.
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We're doing this.
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Yeah, we're doing it.
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Pumps good,
good conversation with Stacy and Kat.
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I can't wait to hear about it.
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I can't wait to hear about it because
yeah, keep a little,
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little little bit of a point.
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She's asking for her own coaching Kat
around having like harder conversations
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with some of the athletes.
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And so like literally what I proposed to
her, I was like,
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how about we start with you the coach,
'cause you're the foundation and then we
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build from there.
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We build the athlete part from there.
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So like I sent them a summary of our call
and then like a proposal.
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And that's what I propose.
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It's like we take the next like few weeks
to do that coaching work and then look at
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what a team building workshop could look
like.
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You're awesome.
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Or a series,
a series throughout the season.
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Like I was even thinking,
I was even thinking a retreat.
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You can run part of the retreat or 'cause
they all, all the teams have them.
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That's a great season.
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That's a great idea.
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Like that whole thing.
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But like,
have you start to really be involved in
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that, that team and that culture?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And then Stacy was saying something about,
like,
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giving them something to work on during
the holiday break.
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So I was thinking of like, the players.
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Yeah, the players, something to work on,
some reflection.
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That way if I go in, in like January,
then, you know, they're like,
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they've already been working on something
and thinking about things.
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How do you feel about you?
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And I like promoting,
like having them get my book,
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have the team get a book for all of them,
and they can just work out of that.
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That's a great idea.
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I love it.
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It's already, it's already done.
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It's there.
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And so.
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OK, we're,
we're having our consultation right now.
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I know, I know.
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No,
but that's actually a great idea 'cause
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it's like it's so easy to work out of.
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It's so user friendly,
I guess is the phrase I'm looking for.
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Yeah, thank you.
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And it's already all compiled so you
don't have to.
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And you can just say, hey,
have them read this by this date over
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this, this and like, yeah, I love it.
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OK, awesome.
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Yeah.
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We could talk more about that later.
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We will in, in an hour.
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Yeah, exactly.
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So I have your bio, I have the questions,
the original ones.
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You ready to get at it?
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Sure, let's go.
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OK.
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And then whatever we want to edit out,
tweak, amend, we can,
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you can just say hold up,
I was flubbing or like I want to say this
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instead of that.
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And we can just be like Eric and Scott,
we're just going to do this thing real
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quick and then we'll just do it over.
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They'll they'll edit out whatever OK
sounds good awesome.
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What's up athlete mindset community super
excited to have a special they're all
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special,
but this one is special in a different
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way Guest Miss Julie Schiller.
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The reason why she's extra,
extra special is that she is one of my
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top AF mindset practitioners and part of
that affiliation and connection,
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we get to sit here and chop it up.
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So I'm super excited.
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She has so much experience in so many
aspects of the holistic athlete
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experience.
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So let me tell you a little bit about her.
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She's going to say what's up to everybody?
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We're going to dive right in.
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So as a youth athlete,
Julie Schiller left sport without the
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support she needed to navigate challenges
with body confidence and mental health,
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a gap that now drives her work as a sport
and performance therapist with The Line
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Bay Area Sports Psychology and with Ath
Mindset as a mental performance
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practitioner.
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She also is a trainer for Positive
Coaching Alliance and the founder of her
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own company, The Other 23 Hours Coaching.
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She has over 15 years in coaching and
human performance.
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Julie helps athletes and coaches thrive
as whole people,
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guiding growth physically,
mentally and emotionally.
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I I I what, this is this young lady.
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Like what's going on?
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I'm like super excited.
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Julie, thanks for being here with us.
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Thank you for having me.
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That was quite the intro.
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I sound cooler on paper.
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I think.
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So thank you for that.
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You're sick, Julie.
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Julie, you're sick.
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No, you're sick, Lisa.
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That's an inside joke that we just, like,
let you all in on.
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But no, she's Julie.
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You are awesome.
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People need to get to know you need to
get to know your vibe, how you think,
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how you move,
the way you just talk about the work
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being the work.
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So let's start with our first question.
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We started a little bit in the intro as a
youth athlete.
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Let's start with your story a little bit
more and dive in there.
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Like what drew you into the space of
working with athletes and specifically
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the mental performance side?
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Because you've been doing other stuff on
the human performance side as an athlete,
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but was there a moment or experience that
really shaped your path in the mental
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performance realm?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's such a good question.
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And it's like it's really twofold here.
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It started as a youth athlete like you
talked about in my bio,
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and then it came full circle as an adult
really later on in an inspired or career
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pivot.
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So like you mentioned, as a youth athlete,
sports meant the most to me.
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Soccer, basketball, martial arts,
like that was my world as an athlete who
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who did the thing, who did the sport.
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But also, you know,
some of my best memories with my dad is
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like watching the Knicks,
like in the 90's,
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the rivalries between the Knicks and the
Bulls and watching professional wrestling
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like sports or such.
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They mean so much to me.
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So, so much.
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That's why it was completely
heartbreaking to leave sport before I was
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ready.
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So right around middle school.
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I mean, the stats support this, right?
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Even the current stats that that girls in
particular quit sport in middle school
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right around age 1314 due to low body
confidence.
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And that really was my experience,
not the time.
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Nobody was talking about mental
performance, mental skills.
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That wasn't a conversation.
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It was, you know, suck it up and do it.
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And so I didn't really have the language
to kind of make sense of my experience.
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And so I left sport.
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I didn't feel like I was, you know,
the best anymore.
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I wasn't OK with making mistakes,
you know,
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all these mental skills that we talk
about.
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And so I struggled for a long time,
middle school, high school,
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I had an eating disorder,
really struggled with confidence,
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self esteem, all the things.
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And you know,
that really shaped the a work that I
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ended up doing for many, many years.
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I found my way back to sport in kind of
an untraditional way.
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I became a personal trainer, MM hmm,
coach and did that for a really long time
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and was always particularly intrigued by
the mental side of training,
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of being physical with our bodies.
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And as a social worker,
that intersection really informed the way
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that I wrote programs,
the way that I interacted with my clients.
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And after about 10 years,
I was reflecting on, OK,
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does this still feel good for me?
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And do I, I want a new challenge.
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And on the personal side,
I had experienced a couple of major
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personal losses and was really searching
for a new sense, a new source of joy,
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a new source of community,
and was really feeling like right around
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the pandemic, like so many of us,
like a little bit lonely.
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And I found that joy in that community
again, through women's sports, as a fan,
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as a fan, women's sport and, and like,
like so many of us, right?
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And it's like, get on board, right?
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Everybody watches women's sports.
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But I hadn't felt that sense of joy and
community since I was a kid playing
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soccer and basketball,
participating in martial arts,
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all those things.
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It's like, I need to be a part of this.
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I don't know how or you know,
what steps I can take to do it,
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but I just knew I had to be a part of it.
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And my sister calls me up right around
the time of the Women's World Cup in New
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Zealand.
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And she says, hey, you want to go to the,
the Women's World Cup.
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My, my friend is going,
she has a good friend in New Zealand and
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you know, I can get you tickets.
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You want to go.
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And she knew at the time I had been going
through kind of some stuff and needed
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some joy and community.
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So she's like, let's go to Auckland,
like let's go see the Women's World Cup.
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So that's what we did and that's amazing.
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I was on the fields,
both close to the pitch and just the
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energy.
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I just said to myself I need to figure
out a way to be a part of this world,
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whether it's as a strength and
conditioning coach or figuring out some
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other way.
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And that's what led me down the path of
mental performance,
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getting my license 10 years,
15 years after I actually got my master's
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degree so that I could be a therapist for
athletes.
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It was a full,
full circle experience for me.
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Like coming from that athlete who quit
way too soon and then figuring out that
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this is the work that I'm supposed to be
doing and it's never felt so aligned.
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I love it.
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Thank you.
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You've touched on so many amazing things.
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I'd love, first of all, how open,
authentic and vulnerable you are as a
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practitioner, as a provider.
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People need to know that we're humans and
we have our own experiences that define
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and shape who we are along our own
lifespan.
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And that like that sort of influences us
and how we help others and how we give
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back and give back to the communities
that mean a lot to us.
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So thank you for opening up absolutely
that people need to hear it, you know.
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So thank you for that.
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There's so much that here that you've
talked about.
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I love the fact that you are duly,
duly trained.
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I am as well.
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And there's a special sweet spot that we
sit in there,
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you being on your road to earning your
license as a licensed clinical social
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worker and what that means.
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I just did a whole talk, actually,
I was interviewed for an article and then
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did a talk somewhere else about the role
of social workers in sports and that
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being a licensed clinical social worker
is one way.
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And that's the space that we both sit in.
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But there's so many other places we can
create policy, we can advocate,
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we can do research.
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We can, you know,
because I think the correct me if I'm
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wrong,
I think this the story when we were
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younger was, oh,
you're going to if you're a social worker,
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you're going to take my baby away from me
100%.
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Yeah.
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That was that was the narrative and
that's the narrative.
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And I imagine when you got your masters,
it certainly was the case.
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When I I got mine, there was no,
there was no field called sports social
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work.
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No, absolutely not thing.
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If if I knew about it, you know,
maybe I would have entered this space a
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little sooner.
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Yes.
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We're so happy that there are the major
the major player in that is the Alliance
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for social workers in sport,
which which we both belong to and love.
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And then you are an example way from
earning your CMP the certified Mental
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Performance Consultant designation
through the Association for Applied
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Sports Psychology.
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So there is just a real holistic way that
you and I both value being able to
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intersect with those two fields and how
we support the athletes and,
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and the parents and the coaches and
everyone in the sport ecosystem.
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So super dope for you to like bring some
amplification to that.
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Eating disorders, again,
very vulnerable of you to share.
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I'm going to put some more information in
the show notes about what those are,
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how we can prevent, how we can treat.
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Just so many Nuggets there.
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Appreciate you just for bringing such
light to it.
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And that like all of those experiences
have brought you to this moment.
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So I,
I can only imagine 2 along the way there
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was processing different versions of
yourself, different identities.
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You know, on this podcast,
we talked a lot about different kinds of
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identities.
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You know, for athletes,
so much of who they are is tied to their
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sport.
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You and I can both relate to that.
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You know,
how do you see athletes navigating those
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transitions similar to kind of what you
went through like injury potentially
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leaving the sport before you are intended
because of some experience or even role
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changes within your team?
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And you know,
what's what's been meaningful in your
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work around helping athletes navigate
those different transitions and different
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sort of ways that they identify
themselves as it relates to their sport?
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I love this question because identity
work is so exciting for me and,
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and I believe truly important and at the
very foundation of the work that we do.
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I'm working a lot with D1 athletes right
now at the collegiate setting.
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I'm also working with middle school and
high school athletes who are very
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competitive,
some who aren't competitive and who are
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debating whether or not they want to stay
in sport because of or coaching
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experiences and culture.
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And so this identity work is so important,
whether they're going through an injury
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or, you know, return to play,
thinking about leaving sport,
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different life situations where they
might have to take a pause and take a
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break from their sport.
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And so really supports like what the
research tells us in that if we develop
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our athletes as whole humans before they
need it,
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they're not going to experience the
levels of anxiety and depression that
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athletes experience if they they place so
much emphasis on their identity as an
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athlete.
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So wait a minute.
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Are you saying that an identity crisis in
sports for an athlete can be prevented?
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Oh, yeah, absolutely.
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And you know,
I know we're on the same page here.
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Prevention work is at the core and that's
a huge reason why I believe that,
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you know,
if we shift in to prevention work,
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we can really shift and change some of
these systems that are not set up to help
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athletes thrive during sport, post sport.
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But prevention is not what we do overall
in this society.
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We wait for things to hurt.
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Exactly.
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We respond to a crisis or a bad moment or
injury, mentally or physically.
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What would be a skill or an approach,
a strategy from the prevention side that
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you would recommend for maybe let's say,
one of your collegiate athletes we're
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working with, you know,
in your experience or if it has come up,
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what would you recommend?
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If it hasn't,
what would you imagine could be really
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helpful for an athlete to hear?
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Yeah, I,
I think the permission to be a person
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outside being an athlete is #1 you know,
especially at the D1 level, you know, and,
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and really like pouring into who are
their support,
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who comprises their support system
outside, you know,
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maybe their teammates and coaches who are
huge.
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They're a huge part of it.
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But what about their friends who don't
play sports?
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What about their friends, family,
all of it?
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That's a huge part of it.
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And then I think really starting to
develop some hobbies and if they've never
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thought about what a potential hobby
could be outside sport, like let's go,
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now's the opportunity,
let's think about it.
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That's right.
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What do you like?
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And maybe sometimes just having the space
to explore and think about it is really,
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yes, I agree.
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And let me give you real life scenarios.
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Thematically,
I have gotten pushback from collegiate
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and professional athletes about oh,
if I start to explore other areas of who
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I am and other areas of of interest or
other passions I might have,
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my coach is going to think I'm not as
serious about my sport.
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My coach is going to think that I'm
laxing off or I'm unfocused or not
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committed.
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What would you,
what would you 'cause that's real.
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That's real.
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That's come up in my in my applied
practice.
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You've probably heard it too.
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What would be 1/1 or just an approach you
would take if that was sort of an area of
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like that an athlete might come to you
with?
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Yeah, I think I think twofold here.
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1 is making it fit realistically into
what they're already doing in their
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schedule.
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Like so it's not going to take away from
their sport at all.
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It's actually going to be a productive
way to take a rest.
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And by rest, I mean productive rest.
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It's going to improve performance, right?
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When we and we need different kinds of
rest.
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I was just talking to an athlete about
this yesterday, about mental rest,
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physical rest, emotional rest,
social rest, all of it,
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and kind of talking about the differences.
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And yeah,
I truly believe that rest can be
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productive for performance,
both as a human and as an athlete.
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And then if the coach genuinely feels
like they're distracted, you know,
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I'd have them look at their actual
performance, like it, right?
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And their contribution to the team
dynamic and their leadership and like
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other ways that they contribute to the
culture, right?
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And what do what do those stats look like?
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Right, right.
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And if you're genuinely telling,
telling me that their performance has
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decreased, they're they're a poor leader.
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They're, you know,
they're not as productive on the team.
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I would be shocked.
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I would be too.
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That would be too.
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But in in your question of like what?
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Like how do we measure that?
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There's no stats for a good leader.
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There's no measurement for,
I mean traditionally in the way in the
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way that you add to a positive culture on
your team.
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It's so interesting.
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I, I mean,
I think part of our work in the sports
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psychology realm and you and I both agree
on this is like,
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how do we put value to that?
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How do we maybe quantitatively measure,
How do we qualitatively measure?
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Like that kind of data is so important to
support the things that have been
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historically unmeasurable, to put some,
some structure to it,
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some understanding to universal
understanding to it.
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I,
I am referring to a podcast I did years
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ago now with two collegiate soccer
players.
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1 was my niece, Rayna Bonta,
who actually you and I were connected
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before we even did AF mindset because we
had connection at the New Zealand World
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Cup, you know, Philippines was there,
my niece was there.
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Like, let's go, you know what I'm saying?
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So like that, it only makes sense.
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But anyway, that's I, I digress.
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But she with the teammate when they were
playing collegiate soccer D1.
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We're talking about how their other
interests in other areas of expressing
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who they are actually help them.
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And this is no no news to us.
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But I think it's important to say helped
them be better for the team,
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help them bring up a different kind of
energy,
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a different kind of perspective because
they are learning and growing as human
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beings from those other expressions of
themselves.
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And bringing it back to the team and back
to the dynamic and back to conversations
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and back to listening and back to all of
that and back to like being beats on the
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field.
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So it's like it's it's it's it all
connects.
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Yeah.
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So I mean, what you're saying,
what we both know comes from the athletes
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mouths to when when they're able to
actually given a chance to explore that
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and to comment on it.
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Yeah.
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And to become more well-rounded humans,
it makes them better athletes,
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better people, right.
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And related to that is feeling joy and
how important that is to performance and
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team dynamics.
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Like thinking of a really recent example
of Steph Curry in in the news that I read
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about.
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I don't know.
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I don't know if you've seen his
performance, Tommy.
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OK, so he's 37,
which in like the NBA pro sports world,
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that's like an old man, right?
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Yeah, right, right.
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But he scored,
I think it was 40 something points
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against the Spurs the other night.
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Unbelievable.
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And the broadcaster asked him like, OK,
Steph, why are you performing so well?
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What's the secret?
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What's going on?
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And he said, I'm having fun.
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I'm playing with joy.
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And you see him smiling on the court.
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And you know, that sounds simple,
but when we're talking about
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sustainability in sport,
if you're not having fun,
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you're not going to be able to do it for
a long time.
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And the reason why he's been doing it for
so long is because he is having a good
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time.
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And that's not to say it's linear, right?
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I'm sure there were years where he was
not having a good time,
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but he was able to find that joy again.
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And I can bet it's because he's had
hobbies outside sport.
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He is really close with his family like
he is a full person outside sports.
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So yes,
and he's doing good in the community.
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He's contributing him and his wife.
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I think another example of that in the
professional sports is Carlos Alcaraz,
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pro tennis player out of Spain.
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He so I like you.
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I'm a fan.
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I'll watch any sport anytime, anywhere.
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I'll watch it from a psychological
perspective.
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It's so fascinating.
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Why do they make the decisions that they
do?
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Why did they go here versus there,
etcetera.
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But I've just been so interested in him
as a young, young man, 2223 still.
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And he talks about the joy.
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He talks about playing golf at
tournaments in between his matches and
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having fun and joy.
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And I think the other thing I get pushed
back about is, well,
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if I'm having fun and I'm and I'm having
joy in in my when I play,
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I can't be as competitive as I want to be
because that they can't exist together.
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It's kind of like the message I get.
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I can't have fun and be in my joyful zone
or space and still compete at the highest
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level because I got to access like the
beast in me or like this or that.
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Like what would you say to someone who,
who might say that?
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Like, I don't know, Julie, like joy fun,
really.
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Like is that really a thing?
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And can I really almost allow myself to
access that and still play at my highest
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level?
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One of my favorite things to do is to
unpack myths and to push back when when
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people are like, can we really do this?
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Absolutely.
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So the first thing I I would challenge
them is to explore and possibly expand
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their definition of intensity and
competitiveness.
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Why does it have to look a certain way?
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For so many years in collegiate and pro
sports,
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we've seen images in the media of these
athletes who are not having a good time,
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at least visibly on their face and with
their body language.
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They, you know, look at Michael Jordan,
other than like when his tongue was out
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and, you know, having a good.
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But like, I think, you know,
it was like super tough,
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unkind to your teammates.
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Like all this stuff was portrayed in the
media.
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And I think that's a myth.
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I don't think that it needs to look that
way,
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but it's not about me trying to convince
someone that like my way is the right way.
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I would want them to experience that.
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It's like, try it out,
see what happens for sure, for sure,
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and then let's come back and talk about
it.
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I think from the neuroscientific
standpoint too,
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we know that if an athlete actually just
makes it,
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makes a smile or like I don't want to say
forces,
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but insist on smiling even if you're not
feeling happy just yet.
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All kinds of neural chemistry floods into
your brain, loosens you up, relaxes you,
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makes you more your body,
more available to you.
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There's so many awesome things.
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Cortisol starts to decrease,
that's the stress hormone.
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There's so many things.
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You don't even have to feel happy again.
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Just the act of that,
that facial expression does that.
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And so remembering that in our field
brings that in and making sure that
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people hear that and know that.
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And we,
we back it with citing the research that
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shows that is like so, so important.
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Well,
and I love that that you talked about the
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neuroscience because sometimes, you know,
backing it up with the actual research is
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helpful for some athletes.
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Some athletes are like, I don't care,
research whatever.
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So in that case,
meet them where they're at and say, OK,
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here are actual examples of athletes who
are smiling and look at their performance.
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Like, for example, Kelsey Plum,
every time she tastes,
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it's a a free throw.
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She smiles.
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Sometimes she even laughs like, yeah,
she does look,
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look at her percentage at the at the line.
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You know, So totally.
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I think it's also about meeting athletes
where they're at.
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That's, you know,
really social work one O 1.
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You know, if they're science people,
if they're research people,
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give them that.
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If if they're more into, you know,
seeing athletes that they can relate to,
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give them that and and go from there.
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If they're more reflective,
let's have them experience it and then
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come back and talk about it.
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So that's right.
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I find that it's helpful with my youth
athletes, parents.
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They like that stuff.
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Some of them,
some of them meeting them where they're
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at too, Knowing what makes sense,
knowing what like lands with them so they
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feel entrusted in US and like feel like
they can put their child in our hands,
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which is like a privilege I don't take
for granted because as a parent I'm like
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like, so I think that's really,
really important for some folks.
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How about if we switch to for the
athletes,
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coaches or parents who are tuning in,
because I know y'all are here,
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what's one or two practical things they
can start doing today to support their
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own mental well-being or the well-being
of the athletes in their lives?
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Like what would be one or two practical
things for anyone or all of those groups?
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Anything you'd want to comment on that
for those folks listening in right now?
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So you want me to comment on what they
can do for themselves or for their
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athletes or no, it's great.
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I mean, anything for athletes,
for themselves,
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coaches for their athletes and parents,
for their kids who,
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who compete or play sport.
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You know,
it really starts with you as the parent,
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as the coach at the very foundation.
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So what are you modeling?
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Because they're they're watching.
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That's right.
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Whether or not you think they are,
whether or not they're in a stage of
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their life where they think you're cool,
they're they're watching, right?
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They're watching your habits and what's
important to you.
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How do you communicate?
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How do you take care of your mental
health?
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How do you take care of your physical
health?
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Set a positive, positive example.
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And if you're not sure where to start,
asking for help is pretty much the
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coolest thing you can do, right?
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Because there's all kinds of experts out
there who are ready to support you.
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And so that's number one #2 is something
we touched on before is how can you help
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your athletes develop their identity
outside being an athlete?
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I would say like that is something you
really can do.
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And as a youth athlete,
like the research really supports not
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specializing too early on.
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So maybe that's getting them involved in
another sport or another hobby and then
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that actually in turn improves
performance in the sport that they're
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really serious about.
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So that's right.
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That's right.
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I love it.
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I love it.
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I will add to that for us.
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And let me see what you think about this,
Julie.
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Like for athletes to like knowing their
their passion and their why,
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like being able to speak to it on a
deeper level as to why they do the things
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they do to show up to their sport.
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Because a lot of that ain't fun.
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No, to be honest.
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You know what they have to do to prepare
to be on the in the competitive
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environment,
whatever that is for them and their sport,
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really realizing and making sure that
they can speak to or express or start to
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at least what what is their deepest
passion about it.
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Like, Oh,
I play for my family or I play for the
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little kid in me.
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I play for those who can't.
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I play for, you know,
like starting to see that it's bigger
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than them and that and that who you are
and how you carry yourself is is seen.
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And you also, you know,
even though you might not be a
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professional athlete,
if you're a high school athlete,
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there are 8-9 year olds looking at you,
you know, your younger siblings,
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your your teammates, younger siblings,
etcetera.
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So someone is always there because you
have a platform as big or as small that
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it is.
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So I think that's really important for
coaches.
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Like I know that you work with coaches at
the collegiate level through Positive
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Coaching Alliance to like really being
able to check yourself at the door,
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almost like kind of see where your
strengths are and also where your
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shortcomings are and have the humility to
say like for the for the best of the team
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and the culture.
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I'm going to take a look at this aspect
of me as a human and this aspect of me as
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in my coaching philosophy and my style
and see how how I can tweak that or
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improve it or and then do it in a safe
space,
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like with a CNPC or clinician about like
how do I, I don't know, I'm tentative.
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I'm weird.
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I've always done this way,
but I'm I'm being kind of told verbally
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and non verbally that that's not probably
working anymore and like seeking that.
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I think that that we're all we are always
students of the game and in whatever way.
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Yeah, that seems like you agree.
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That's awesome.
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And then for parents and I,
I can speak to this too,
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is also a little bit of a check at the
door of how are you, like,
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did you play sport?
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What was your experience with it parent?
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And how and if are you inadvertently and
unconsciously maybe putting that pressure
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on your kid to fulfill something that you
also did?
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So you want them to be like you or
something that you didn't get to get
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achieve.
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And like, since I didn't,
I'm going to push them to do it and
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ignore,
ignore and not celebrate or value who
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they are beyond that because it's so it's
so important to you.
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Like this is like,
I'll say this is a little bit different.
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Like,
you know that my my daughter's in college
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right now.
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She's living her best life.
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I miss her deeply.
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It ebbs and flows.
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Sometimes I cry at night.
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That's real.
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But like, that's my problem.
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That's my problem to deal with.
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I'm not going to change anything about
what she's doing.
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I have to figure out how to manage my own
feelings about missing her.
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And so that is the same thing.
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If we find that there's a a tender spot
or vulnerable spot in our own selves
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about how we are parenting our human
being who happens to play sport,
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like making sure we're staying on our
side of the fence about what we need.
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And I'll use one of my mentors said this.
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We are,
we our kids are as as mentally strong as
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we are, as parents, as guardians,
as coaches.
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Our players are as mentally strong as we
are.
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And so keeping that in mind,
I think is like super important.
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I want to shift to Nisola, the national.
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Oh, yeah, for sure.
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Yeah.
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But like you, you just like you,
you hit so, so many Nuggets there.
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I just want to make sure before we
transition to yes, please, it,
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it really comes back to self reflection,
right?
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Whether you're a coach,
whether you're a parent and,
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and being courageous enough to say, OK,
what's working and what's not and doing
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that regularly.
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And it's,
it's not to say you're a bad parent or a
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bad coach,
because we can always get better no
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matter how good we are.
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That's right.
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So I think being courageous enough to
regularly step into that self reflection
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mode.
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And then if you know,
you do feel like you need support,
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even if it's not a crisis,
getting on that preventative side, yes,
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ask for help.
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And there's so many resources out there
and we are,
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we are full of recommendations and
referrals for you.
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And yes, we are.
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And support then like even if we say
consultation,
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'cause I think sometimes it can say like
who if I get support, does that mean I am,
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something's wrong or I'm weak or I'm,
I'm injured in some way or less than.
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And that's something we have to keep
challenging that myth that you're saying
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that sort of a historic way of looking at
it.
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That's old now.
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We got to grow in it's old school.
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But but if we need to change our language,
it's a tiny bit to open up the
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opportunity for someone to step into it,
say like just get a consultation.
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Yeah,
we get a consultation when we we call our
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doctors.
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Hey, I want an opinion,
I want a second opinion.
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I want to like,
I want to have a talk about this.
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Why wouldn't we do that when it comes to
our mental health,
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our psychological health,
our mental strength?
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Why wouldn't we just say like this quick
consult and see what happens from there
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because recommendations will be made and
that's on you about how and if you want
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to approach it.
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So I think if we need to shift the
language,
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what do you think about something like
that?
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I love it.
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And it's the same in the fitness space,
the strength and conditioning space.
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Like, you know,
we're we're not waiting for stuff to hurt.
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We're not waiting to get injured.
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We're doing training so that we're more
resilient.
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Why can't we do that with our minds as
well?
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That's right.
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I love that.
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I love it.
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I love it.
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Absolutely, I love it.
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Thanks for your commentary.
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Now back to nice.
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So now back to nice.
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So let's go intercluded the soccer
officials association as mindset is their
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mental strength partner.
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We just had, what is it now?
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It's it's we're in November of 2025 as we
record this.
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I attended their AGM.
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They're all general meeting,
annual general meeting that happens with
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a lot of organizations and just left
there more inspired and and more proud to
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be their partner in the way that they
support referees.
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You have been a crucial part of the way
that Ath mindset is supporting them.
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I can't thank you enough your expertise,
your content creation,
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your mind and helping these referees
shift their mindset if needed or
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strengthen it.
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As we have learned in this partnership,
referees face such unique pressures,
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often very different but also very
similar from players or coaches.
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Can you share what work has looked like
for,
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for you and us as we have partnered since
June of this year and what you've learned
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from supporting officials at that level,
'cause they're across their collegiate,
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they're national level,
they're professional,
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they're international.
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So what have you learned in,
in this important work in ways that
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you've contributed to this along the way
in these last six months or so?
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This has been such a cool opportunity
because in,
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in what fields do you go to work every
day and have people scream at you and
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yell at you, right, right.
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What a, what a unique situation to be in.
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So I think even more opportunity to
provide mental strength support.
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And so that's why I just believe this has
been such an impactful project that we've
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worked on together.
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And what I've learned is that officials
are high performing athletes, yes,
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and not just because they run a whole lot.
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And that's like not even like that's like
not even what I'm talking about.
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They certainly have to pass a fitness
test.
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But if I'm thinking about their travel,
the sporadic schedule,
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the the input from players in the crowd,
they are on high alert and high stress
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mode constantly.
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That's right.
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I can't think of anyone other than,
you know,
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first responders who are in that level of
stress in their profession,
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even more so to get on the preventative
side of things to help them create those
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healthy habits and routines to create
this normalcy around asking for help and
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developing your social support,
your identity outside being a ref,
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all of it so that they don't crash.
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That's right.
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That's right.
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Wow.
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Like, yeah, first responders,
because what I've learned from the
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language of officials, dissent,
they deal with dissent a lot from coaches,
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players, fans.
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And sometimes they have a couple partners
in crime,
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like they have their trio or the 4th
official also to be able to debrief with,
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like connect with,
communicate in action on the pitch.
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There's so many things that they have to
do and also stay focused and composed to
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make the call and and to not beat
themselves up if if it's quote UN quote
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real or perceived wrong.
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Like because they get stuff in social
media too, just like the athletes,
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they get like all this feedback that is
like they have to be escorted off the
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field.
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They have to be escorted to their cars,
some of them at different levels.
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So, yeah,
just they have said what what value you
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bring as a practitioner to this
partnership.
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I can't appreciate you enough.
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And like we're,
we are doing something really good here
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and something really needed.
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Yeah.
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And I hope that it continues for sure.
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And I think that there's such an
opportunity, you know,
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I don't know when this can be,
but to shift the culture in like
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particularly with fans or there's this
normalcy that it's that it's OK and cool
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to hate on the refs.
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And I just don't think that's really
bringing the sport forward.
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I think that we need to come to a place
of supporting everyone in the ecosystem
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so that the players and the sport can
continue to thrive.
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That's right,
because I remember you and I had the the
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the fun evening of with our families
going to a roots game as spectators,
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as fans and and and us being able to
watch the game together with a special
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eye and peace of our hearts on the
officials in those games and even the
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people around us.
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Kids,
they will if their parent is yelling at
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the rest,
the kid will too and they're cursing
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their nine year olds,
cursing at the rest this and that.
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I'm just like what?
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Leave them alone.
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Leave them alone.
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And honestly, Lisa, I'm no better.
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I've gone to soccer games where I'm like
Boo, you know,
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But what I'm saying is like opportunity
for all of us to do better and to that's
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what you know, so but but yeah,
like kids are watching.
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What are you modeling?
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That's right.
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It's normalized.
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It's normalized to yell at them.
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And so changing that whole culture and
approach and their whole people too,
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doing the best they can out there.
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This has been a pleasure.
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We could have talked for probably three
more hours.
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I so appreciate your expertise,
your knowledge, your approach, your vibe,
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how you go about your business.
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And you know,
I can't wait to continue to grow.
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Athmind said alongside you and all the
things that you do.
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And just so, so happy that you could,
you could join me today.
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Thank you so much for having me.
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It's always a delay to connect with you.
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I just,
I appreciate you so much and everything
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you bring to the space.
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Thanks, Julie.
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Thank you so much.