Hello, Sidney: The Scream Podcast | Scream (2022)

It's finally here! Louise, Mike and Anna discuss their thoughts on the brand new SCREAM (2022) in cinemas now PLUS exclusive interviews with the cast

Show Notes

Welcome to Hello Sidney, a limited podcast series supported by Paramount that cuts deep into one of the most iconic horror franchises ever made.

It's back! This week, Anna, Mike and Louise cut deep into the Gen-Z requel, Scream (2022), both spoiler free and in spoilerific detail. Plus Anna and Mike chat to Scream cast members Neve Campbell, Courtney Cox, David Arquette, Jack Quaid and Melissa Barrera.

0:00:00 Spoiler-free chat
0:33:11 Interview with cast (spoiler-free)
0:42:20 Spoilerific discussion

Hosted by horror fans and podcasters Mike Muncer, Anna Bogutskaya and Louise Blain.

Listen and subscribe to Hello Sidney: The Scream Podcast wherever you get your podcasts.

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Scream releases in cinemas in the UK on 14 January 2022.

Hello Sidney: The Scream Podcast is supported by Paramount

Hosts: Mike Muncer, Anna Bogutskaya and Louise Blain
Artwork Design: Mike Lee-Graham

Producers: Mike Muncer and Anna Bogutskaya

Editor: Mike Muncer

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Anna Bogutskaya

author UNLIKEABLE FEMALE CHARACTERS • critic/broadcaster/host • programmer @edfilmfest @fantasticfest • host @thefinalgirlsuk • FRSA • rep @sileloquies

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Louise Blain

Host

Mike Muncer

Video & Podcast Producer Editor | Creator & host of The Evolution of Horror @EvolutionPod | mike@evolutionofhorror.com

What is Hello, Sidney: The Scream Podcast ?

Do you like scary movies? We do, a lot! Made by horror fans for horror fans, Hello Sidney is a deep dive discussion podcast in which our hosts, Anna Bogutskaya, Mike Muncer and Louise Blain slice and dice their way through all the films in the Scream franchise one by one. From Woodsboro, to Windsor College to Hollywood, we'll be discussing favourite kills, scariest moments and speculating and predicting ahead of the new SCREAM coming in January 2022!

Anna Bogutskaya 0:02
Hello hello and Mike are we doing this again? What's the voice Do you like scary movies? You know I do Mike

Mike Muncer 0:09
Do you like scary podcasts about scary movies

Anna Bogutskaya 0:12
you know we've done this cold open before

Louise Blain 0:15
we have I don't know guys something telling about this one feels different

Anna Bogutskaya 0:19
because we need to do something more original. This is literally a carbon copy of episode one. People expect more from us.

Mike Muncer 0:25
Well it's more of a requel than a carbon copy.

Louise Blain 0:28
Yeah, well, something that pleases the original fans of the Hello Sydney podcast but also welcomes a new audience.

Anna Bogutskaya 0:34
Okay, fine, whatever. I ready to record the we'll have our podcast mics

Louise Blain 0:38
I'm Louise fucking Blaine, of course I have my podcast mic.

Welcome back to Hello Sydney unlimited podcast series supported by Paramount made by horror movie fans for horror movie fans, that cuts deep into one of the most iconic horror franchises ever made. It's finally here we are literally buzzing with excitement. The new scream film is finally in cinemas in the UK and we are back in Woodsboro against all advice with Sidney Prescott, Gale weathers and Dewey Riley. I'm Louise Blaine, a journalist and broadcaster, and I'm joined by my co hosts, writer and broadcaster Anna Bogutskaya. Hello, and producer and podcaster Mike Munster. Hello. So if you've listened to the previous episodes, and we hope you have to get to this point, you will know that we explored the previous films in the series and what each scream meant for slashers. we relive the based on the glorious moments. And now it's time to talk about something new.

Unknown Speaker 1:50
What's happening? Three texts so far. Do you have a gun?

Courtney Cox 1:54
I'm Sidney Prescott. Of course I have a gun.

Louise Blain 1:58
Yes, this week, we're talking scream 2022. And just a quick warning. The first half of our discussion will be completely spoiler free, completely spoiler free, but we will obviously be talking about characters. So if you don't want to know anything, go off and watch the movie, but the latter half will be spoilerific. We're going to talk about every single drop of blood that escapes characters that we're not going to discuss. But don't worry, we'll give you plenty of warning before we get into any spoilers. Now, before we get into the chat, I know it's your turn again, to sum up the plot of scream in 20 seconds. Oh,

Anna Bogutskaya 2:35
God, this this is where some Wordle so your time starts now. 25 years after the original massacre and Woodsboro local teenagers tower carpenter is once again attacked in her home by a new ghost face this time using modern mobile technology. This event triggers deputy Dewey Sheriff Dewey, who is no longer part of the sheriff's department and has his issues to get back in touch with Sydney who now has kids and seems very happy. And his ex wife Gail, who now has a morning show to come back and help protect the teenagers and end the new ghosts phase once and for all or for now.

Louise Blain 3:16
Anna, did you hear me when I said 20 seconds.

Mike Muncer 3:18
Anna cannot be contained

Anna Bogutskaya 3:22
Time has no meaning to me anymore. You were in charge of time I was in touch of synopsising.

Mike Muncer 3:30
It was a beautiful synopsis. It was a wonderful thing.

Anna Bogutskaya 3:32
It was was that how long was that?

Mike Muncer 3:35
It was about 32 seconds.

Anna Bogutskaya 3:37
Potato, potatoe, whatever.

Louise Blain 3:40
12 seconds would like to have a word.

Mike Muncer 3:44
So should we talk before we get into the film itself? Should we talk a little bit about our anticipations for this our expectations for I'm sure anyone who's listened to the first four episodes knows that we were pretty excited. We had certain predictions, we may have had certain expectations. Louise, what were your thoughts sort of sitting down in your seat to go and watch this?

Louise Blain 4:05
I was so excited. It's like it was it was absurd. I mean, I think we can see that we were all meant to see it together. But due to multiple things happening, we didn't end up seeing it together. Because the way of the world in 2022 is like that. So I think I knew you guys had seen it. But you've been very polite and not said anything to me at all. And I'd actually decided to just delete Twitter, because I didn't want to know what the world thought. So I just deleted Twitter because I was like, Well, this is what I'm doing. I put a screen watch face on my Apple watch. And I was I walked to the cinema listening to Marco Beltrami score because I could only listen to Brian Taylor's new scream score on the walk back because I didn't want to spoil it for myself. But I mean, you can see that the expectations were high, but I think I also I wasn't I wasn't totally worked up to the fact that it had to be an utter masterpiece. I was quite resigned to the fact obviously we'd love scream four. And I've seen this TV series. So I think think I was just by the time I sat in the cinema, I was just like, I'm here for this. I'm here for the right. I'm here for the return of Ghostface. So, on the walk there, it felt huge. But at the time, I got to the thing that said, 18, strong, bloody violence. I was just so happy to be seeing a scream film again. It was a joy.

Mike Muncer 5:16
And what about you? Did you have any particular expectations of this movie? What did you think when you were sort of going to take your seat?

Anna Bogutskaya 5:22
I just wanted it to be good. Honestly, I was trepidatious. And I'm always a little bit cynical. But I tried to go into these things open minded, I had not read anything. I had watched the trailer reluctantly. And, and I just wanted it to be a fitting screen film. I didn't want it to be something that was trying too hard, or something that went in a completely different direction. And you know, we've been rewatching and talking about the screen films, and there is a particular DNA to them, isn't it? And as long as all of one at all, I expected from it, as long as it didn't betray that identity that DNA. I did not want this to be an AR AR so movie, I wanted us to be like stabby like stabby Central. I wanted this to be intense and gory. I wanted the whole kind of previous 20 years of horror, including screen for which was already quite gory, and perhaps like even gory than the first three. But plus everything that we've seen horror evolve into over the last decade kind of collapsed into one and sandwiched in between the legacy of the 90s slasher that scream a pioneered and make a kind of extra extra extra bloody

Mike Muncer 6:34
Yeah, I kind of agree that I wanted it to be, I wanted it to still feel like a screen film. But I guess like we've talked about what the first for each of those screen films does something quite clever, and comments on the sort of climate of the time, doesn't it? I think and I guess I wanted it to sort of achieve that. And it's a really difficult thing to expect a film to do, I think, which is move with the times give you something new, but also give you exactly what you want from that kind of that nostalgic love of the original as well. Right. And you're right, like I wanted to see a good gory scary slasher movie because it doesn't really feel like we have as many of those anymore, does it and maybe we should start by quickly talking about that with each screen movie. We've talked about where horror was at and where the slashes were at at that point in time. And what do you think has happened to the slasher movie? Are we sort of are we done with slashes by this point? Do you think were a sort of gory stabby slushy horror movies these days?

Anna Bogutskaya 7:31
Well, the thing is that I think there's Where's horror and where's the slasher At? And I think those are two separate question and scream kind of always tapped into both of them. But scream has always and will always be a slasher franchise primarily. But horror has really shifted away from that. And it shifted away into something a little bit more arthouse A, it shifted away into something a little bit more visceral and intense, but in a kind of let psychologically damaged you as opposed to let's give you a fun Friday night slashy road. And I'm all for that. But that was never what screen movies are about screen movies are fun, and slideshows have a formula and repetition to them that is quite comforting, but always kind of tries to up the ante for the audience to continue keeping them engaged and entertained. So Sasha's always fun and horror has not really been centered on the fun as much there's been outliers, and we might talk about those but generally it's gone in a really psychologically intense, very arthouse very slow burn with huge bursts of intense violence as opposed to a consistent, funny and meta narrative that the slasher always kind of is playing around whether it was the screen movies, or any other Sasha franchise but

Louise Blain 8:51
I think it's really important to say that we're currently having a massive resurgence of the classics. So I mean, we have we in February, we have a Texas Chainsaw Massacre movie coming to Netflix. Last year we had Halloween kills, which is obviously got Halloween ends coming again. We have another predator we have another pinhead. We just had Candyman last year like the only time is Jason Vorhees. And Freddy Krueger are sitting in the horror movie villain pub literally tapping their hands right now because they're really Excuse me. When are we coming back?

Anna Bogutskaya 9:22
And Pamela Vorhees Let's never forget Pamela Vorhees. Of course,

Louise Blain 9:24
she's sitting there with them. She's, she's not she's on the harder stuff. She's not been around for a while. But I mean, that's, I feel like it was a perfect time for scream to come back because actually, you and I were talking about this the other night like we feel like we're finally getting proper 90s Nostalgia back instead of just this obsession with the 80s that we've had for so long. It's like finally, the 90s are talking matter to each other again, and I think it's this perfect time for screaming to come in the middle of this. We've obviously been watching yellow jackets, which is kind of hitting those same bets. And I feel like it's all Mostly scream could, even though it was moved for sort of COVID reasons I feel like screaming it was the perfect time for scream to come No, as we're toppling from quite a strange horror 2021 where we expected a lot of things we expected. We had a lot of disappointments in 22. I mean, I had a lot of disappointments. I fully expected her to be great and it wasn't. And I feel like sitting at the start of January, before another year of revisits I'm no like, well, screams, my screams, my new favorite, you're gonna have to do a lot to beat that.

Mike Muncer 10:29
I love it. Let's talk about it, then, shall we? So we won't again, just to emphasize we won't spoil or give away too many plot specifics. But Anna, what did you think of Scream? How did it compare? How did it differ to what had come previously?

Anna Bogutskaya 10:43
So I did not expect screen 2022 to be as funny as it was. So this was my main very positive, very pleasant surprise for me. I was literally and Mike you and I saw it together. I was literally laughing out loud. Yes, we both moments. Yeah, I was giggling my little head off. So I think that that humor that I think the first the first than the second scream that Kevin Williamson scripts particularly had, which is not on the nose, it's not cringy it's very, it feels very much of its time crystallized in those beautiful scripts that is very efficiently transplanted into this one as well. It feels like 2022 humor, it feels funny for now. That's the thing that really, really surprised me. And then I said expected violence. And I got my violence in heaps, which I was very grateful for, but it was the humor of it. That really surprised me in a really positive way I was having I was having a massive low my notebook is entirely filled with psychotic notes from from that screening. So I had fun with it. And I think it's interesting that Lee's kind of talked about the the resurgence of the old villains. I'm a little bit of a Grinch in the sense that I love all my all my villains who are always getting together in the villain pub. But at the same time I miss or one someone who feels of now a villain kind of all of our time a new Freddy. And what's really fascinating kind of I never feel that way about ghosts face because as we've explored in previous episodes, ghosts face is always a person. And the person always changes. So ghosts face is just an avatar, I'd walk or feel more contemporary than a mask and avatar that you can put on and become an iconic villain. So at the same time, even something new, while being familiar enough that we we know to fear it.

Mike Muncer 12:37
Yeah, you're right. I really I loved it as well. It really kind of it met my expectations in that regard. Because there are moments and we can talk about this more with spoilers, but there are moments that made me so happy where I was laughing. I was gasping and moments where it felt like, oh, this film is made for me. Like it feels like there were there were lines of dialogue that were talking directly to me at times that I absolutely loved. So it really got me in that regard. And yeah, I think scream may be compared to Halloween or something works better in the way that you were just describing Anna because of the the nature of Ghostface where yes, we can bring back all the old nostalgic iconography, but because of Ghostface. And because of the way he works, we put somebody brand new in that mask and we update it and we make it fresh and interesting and off 2022 And we're not just bringing back, you know, the same stories, the same characters from from 1996. So I think it did it. I think in some ways it kind of achieved the impossible, which was that it did manage to I think kind of please us old fans, as well as kind of do something new for a new generation, which I was so relieved about. Louise, what about you? What did you think

Louise Blain 13:52
you're saying that you felt like they were written for you? I genuinely felt like it was repeatedly seeing inside my head. Yeah, making the film that I wanted it to be like, I think we all just had the most if if I if I had sat there before it and thought what I actually wanted, I would have felt like it was impossible. It would have not felt like it would have felt like the impossible dream. And I wouldn't I wouldn't even banking on that. But I got the impossible dream, which was an A meet like I found it scary. I found it funny. I will also say that I watched it in 4DX guys. Oh,

Mike Muncer 14:27
my God, I can't wait to hear about this,

Louise Blain 14:29
which added an extra element of things. But it was a joy. It's funny. It is sharp. I mean, so sharp in the way that I don't think. I think it pleased us because we're looking for kind of like little easter eggs with the sort of massage or a little horror eagles. That's fine, but it doesn't go over the top with those. It just goes here you can have that but at the same time we're going to progress this plot. We're going to progress these characters and we're going to do things that you're not going to expect and it repeatedly did that I didn't. It always fell two steps ahead or at least one step ahead where you're going well, I'm going to guess it's Oh, no, oh, you're interesting. I see what you've done there. And the constantly did that for, you know, the tour runtime, which feels, you know, we expect a lot and we think we're smarter a lot. And for that, to do that so repeatedly and so effortlessly, you know, that's all we could have, as all we could have wanted,

Anna Bogutskaya 15:18
which is what you always really secretly want, even as the most hardened core fans, you do feel a little bit smug because you know, the tropes. You've seen all the films, you've seen the franchises, you know, the history, but then when they Manish outsmart you, you love it. You not so secretly love it, because like, Yes, this is why you're making the films, and we're watching them or we're lapping them up. You are smarter than us. And it's so satisfying when a film outsmart Sue. And I think the the other thing about this new scream is that it is it is bringing the fun back into slashers. It's not dour, it's not grimy, it doesn't feel that way at all. And and I think that's one of the things where that has kind of been missing, perhaps from the slasher sub genre and horror in particular is that a lot of them are not that fun.

Mike Muncer 16:08
Well, they're too fun anyway. Yes, you've got the incredibly bleak existential stuff where you just want to go and sit in a dark room by yourself after you've watched a new movie by Ari Astor or somebody like that. But then yeah, but then you've got like the movies, we mentioned, the kind of teen horror movies, whether it's happy death day or freaky, these are great fun, I really enjoy them. But they do lean more into comedy, I would say, than horror. And what I loved about this movie is that it did that tonal balance that again, the screen movies are quite unique for which is they know when to take things seriously when they need to, and they know to have moments that are actually genuinely emotional. Like I wasn't expecting to get so emotional in this movie as well. And, and it knows when to go dark and serious and take the horror seriously in the way that was Craven always did you always felt like Wes Craven and we've talked about this time and time again with him. That despite all of the other wackiness going on in some of his films, he was somebody that was quite upset and disturbed by violence and horror. And he treated it as such, right. And I think that these new directors, Matt bettinelli, olpin. And Tyler Gillett, they they do an amazing job actually of kind of doing justice to wears his legacy by really getting that tonal balance. Right, don't they, I think they really know when to make us laugh, when to kind of nudge nudge, wink wink towards us, but also when to take the horror and the murder seriously. And I loved that it pulled that off.

Anna Bogutskaya 17:43
But I really want to hear because there's it's always it's a strange time for cinema now. And I really want to hear about how we individually watched and experienced this film. And I want to start with you Louise. Especially I want excruciating, painful detail about the 40x Scream experience,

Louise Blain 18:06
I cannot tell you how much fun I had. And for dx, genuinely I sat down in my seat and I saw the little sign that said, turn water on and off. And I was like, Oh, well, I'm gonna have to keep the water on at least for a bit just to see what that does. But then you see people coming in with like popcorn and stuff, and drinks. And you're thinking how are you going to do this because it turns out that when you watch a film and 40x, it moves, it properly moves, you go forwards and backwards and go side to side. And I will say that I saw it in quite an empty screen. So what was also quite strange was seeing all the rows of chairs in front of me which would making like waves. But I will see and obviously this is not spoilered as people get stabbed in screen films in 4DX, you get stabbed in the correct area of your torso. I'm not joking. Honestly, I'm not even. So I was you know, I'm going along in the seats kind of judging. And it turns out the seat kind of like sweeps along with the sweeping camera, which is quite lovely actually, or it judges along when you're going along a road or you can feel the phones vibrate under your seat. So you're like, well, that's fine. And then a character gets stabbed and you get a proper little in the correct area of your torso. Because it turns out there's little bits just noodling away in there. I mean, it'd be great for if you've got a sore back, but honestly, it was quite disturbing, especially when Ghostface went for the Mega steps, you know, the repeated steps, then you would get the repeated steps and your torso and also, we're going to talk about it in the spoiler section, but in one of the sort of, call it tantric jumpscares there was some tantric jumpscares for a sequence where we were constantly waiting for it. And that was made all the more tense because it turns out when Ghostface appears and 40x you get up in your ear because there's smoke on either side of your ears where they can actually so I be so scared I was so tense, because literally, I had my shoulders up like this, I was like, I don't want you to blow my neck again. But that's literally what's gonna happen. So yeah, so I got my neck BLOWN On and stabbed and got wet when things horrible happened. And then I turned the water off because I didn't find it pleasant because it was getting in my mask and it didn't like it, I had a hell of a time, it was so much fun. And I was sitting there just like giggling because I would giggle about what happened on screen character wise, or somebody said something. But then I would giggle just because of what had literally just happened to me, it was honestly everybody should see scream in 4DX.

Unknown Speaker 20:35
Now I feel like an early experience was so boring.

Unknown Speaker 20:39
You got you got to take notes, I couldn't have taken notes literally,

Anna Bogutskaya 20:44
like shingling, or whatever.

Unknown Speaker 20:46
I wish. Very good use of our experience was the most like London industry in January 2022. You imagined right, which was, was at me and Anna and one other journalist and a couple of publicist in an otherwise completely empty screening room in SoHo in London. So it was very quiet. It was very social socially distance, we were all in masks, and there was about, you know, 2% of the seats that were actually filled. But having said that, right, like we talked about, and I think again, it's kind of testament to the film because you feel like screen films particularly should be enjoyed with big rowdy crowds, or in 4DX, right? Because they're those types of films, the fact that it's still worked on us that me and you were still looking at each other and laughing and having a blast is a good side, right? I

Anna Bogutskaya 21:37
think what I will say is that usually with these kind of, you know, press media screenings, you tend to train yourself to not react, especially when you know that the team from the film or the publicists are kind of in the room with you. And you know, we we've all done this a million times. So you just sit down even if you're loving it, you're kind of just blank face. And I always go in with the full intention of being you know, hyper professional and stuff. And then sometimes sort of film just gets you, it gets you and about 10 minutes in I was actually audibly cackling in the screening room. I was like, I don't care is in this room with me. I am having fun with a capital M. So I'm gonna laugh my little onsolve like that was it. And there was gasps there were so much laughter and you could tell that even with, with the reduced number of people that were in that screening room, people, people were cackling at certain points. And I was like, This is great. This rarely happens when you're in an industrial kind of, you know, a press setting that people actually react from the belly, so to speak.

Mike Muncer 22:41
Totally, it was so much fun. And that's it. And I love that the screen movies kind of celebrate watching movies, don't they? All of them do and whether it's like Casey watching a movie by yourself with some popcorn home alone, or whether it's the madness of the cinema scene and the opening of Scream two or the kind of film nerd homemade festival thing and scream for all of these kinds of different ways to watch horror movies and particularly stab movies or scream movies, right? I feel like even between the three of us we got the spectrum. Nice.

Anna Bogutskaya 23:13
I reckon without. Before we go into spoilers we're gonna be dancing around a lot of the details of the film. But I think one of the one of the questions that probably people always think about when there's a new sequel to a franchise coming out is do it. Oh, God, do I need to watch the old the previous ones? Do I need to watch the original? So how did this one work for you with the previous with the previous Scream films, and particularly because they share a name with the original Scream?

Mike Muncer 23:42
I said it's a really difficult question, isn't it because as a giant screen fan, like I live and breathe this franchise, and it's really hard for me to judge what complete newcomers would have made of this film, you know, I was

Louise Blain 23:55
trying to work for so and then I realized that we're too deep. We're far too deep. We can't see out from here. We're too buried here. We're in the coffin we can't get out. But I do think not only does this film require it requires a knowledge of Scream. But it also requires our knowledge of the scream world stab franchise is obviously it still exists in there, which I think is really important. I think the layers the layers work within scream. Got to the point where I was like, and it's maybe my forte actually I was like I should check if ghosts faces behind me because we are so meta layered at this point that I don't really even know where I am and I'm loving it. Like I'm just basking in this meta delicious 90 slasher soup. And I genuinely don't know what other people would feel. I mean, there is a scene in it, in which people explain things to each other, which we'd love. But I think people who are potentially not in that world will be like, what is the scene really? Are you celebrating and cackling here because this is this sounds like an exposition fest when for cuz it's a core part of every screen movie. And I think that's, I think that's potentially I mean, I was thinking my mom was like, oh, would I like it? And she was kind of joking. And I was like, No, you wouldn't like it. And then I was thinking, anyone that hasn't understood how these films have worked for the last 25 years, I genuinely don't think that would get as much get as much of a kick. Really,

Anna Bogutskaya 25:23
these movies need to work on two if not three different levels, so they need to appeal to the mega fan. They need to satisfy the casual fan who doesn't necessarily is doesn't necessarily know the intricacies of the franchise, but is able to recognize the names of the characters and the basic premise and the villain. And also to the newbie who will just be like, Oh, what's the cinema today? It would scream. I'll go see it. It's a horror film. It'll be fun. And I think this one hits the two first ones, but I don't think someone who does has never seen a screen movie has never maybe seen a slasher movie doesn't know what a slasher is and just wants to go see something fun and a little bit scary at the movies. I don't know if it's giving them enough basic information to be able to get into the story and know what world they're inhabiting.

Unknown Speaker 26:13
And so much of the kind of emotional resonance of this film for me was seeing some of our faves come back. Right. I don't think it's a spoiler to say that Sydney, Dewey and Gail, ie Neve Campbell, Courtney Cox, and David Arquette are all back in this movie, right? As well as a whole new cast an award. What did you think of the cost of this movie, both old and new?

Anna Bogutskaya 26:35
I mean, first of all, it would not be a screaming movie. Without the three regulars. It just, it could not happen. They are the the seasoning of the entire franchise. It's like trying to make a meal without salt and pepper. Like, are you joking?

Louise Blain 26:49
No, they are crispy onions and cronions. Lovely.

Anna Bogutskaya 26:55
I don't know what you're cooking, I'm talking about like, this is the basics. The original cast looks great. They look great. We'll talk more about where their characters are at and the spoiler section, but I think they, they each come in at the right moments in the film. And they don't overpower it. But it's a welcoming and warm and kind of very consistent presence that they bring to it. It's the in No, it's the legacy. It's the humanity of the entire screen franchise. The new cast I think is the one who has the hardest job because they need to prove themselves and then you really need to carry the the actual nuts and bolts plot of the film. And we need to care about them enough to care whether they they get stabbed or not. And I think there's a much more family centric plot to this one. And and it worked for me. I think the cast is just that there's a sometimes something that contemporary horror films especially once with big ensemble cast right to do which is kind of go try to satisfy everyone and end up not science satisfying anyone. They're kind of trying to be very paint by numbers. Let's do let's let's make the teenager sound like they've just come out of a tick tock. But I think these teenagers actually felt quite, quite human.

Louise Blain 28:15
I think initially, I had that fear of Oh, wow, you've just zoomed in on eight different people. Like there are no eight different people standing in Woodsboro high and yes, I understand that but Woodsboro high and okay, I know I need to relate to all of these but absolutely what Anna said like, we quickly felt a part of their crew which was quite nice. It's like well, I understand you're this one year that one and I think occasionally and I think we talked about it before the fight that Kevin Williamson was like these are not nice spim teenagers are not nice teenagers like they're they're pretty dark they're pretty wicked they're pretty twisted because they're surviving while everyone else dies. And I actually think the balanced that very nicely for 2022 crowed without making everyone sound callous.

Mike Muncer 28:59
Yeah, I think I really like this cast of kids. I think maybe in terms of sort of the teens. I think maybe they're my favorite since the first one in terms of how they're written. Because you feel like they I guess in a lot of ways this movie is sort of similar has a lot in common with screen for doesn't it where you've got your back in Woodsboro you've got your your legacy characters, but you've got your new group of teens and as much as we loved, you know, Kirby and Charlie in screen for it did almost feel like they sort of existed in a vacuum like we didn't really know much about them other than what they said and did in the film. But you get the feeling with this movie, actually with quite little. That gives you quite a lot about these characters, like we know a bit about their family, about their childhoods, about their relationships to each other about their relationships with their parents, some of them in this kind of thing. Whereas again, you you've never liked as much as we loved Kerber, we didn't really know anything about her her family, family life, her upbringing, whatever else and I think that you're right like I had the same feeling as you Louise when we First get an establishing shot of like Ace of them. I was like, Oh God, this is too many teenagers to have to deal with. But I think the the script actually does do a really clever job of kind of giving us enough about them. And yes, they kind of take those slasher archetypes. You've got the nerdy one, maybe the stoner whatever. But like the original scream, I think it gives you a little bit more than that, again, to the point where you actually care enough about them to care when they die. Right. And I think that's a good thing. Definitely. And maybe that's all we should reveal for now before we get to spoilers because there's so much more to discuss.

Anna Bogutskaya 30:36
I think we've done a really great job of dancing around our thoughts of the new scream without going into spoiler territory. So well done to well. As part of this, as part of this project, as part of this podcast, we did get a very special treat. And I think this is especially meaningful for Mike because here when I got to talk to some of the new cast, Melissa, but Ada and Jack Quaid, but also, most importantly, got to talk to all the original trio of the screen movies. That's Neff Campbell. That's Courtney Cox and David Arquette. And Mike's face, when we were assuming what Campbell is something, it was a moment to behold. Mike, how i What was it like for you to talk to?

Mike Muncer 31:23
Just incredibly surreal, you know, like, I think, you know, all three of us are journalists, we've all been lucky enough to interview a lot of amazing people. But there are ones that you get to me every now and then. Right? That means so much to you personally, because of what they mean to you as a child or whatever else. And I actually I text my mom. And I was like, Look, I text her a screenshot of me interviewing Neff Campbell, and my mom was like, Oh, is that that actress that you used to be just like obsessed with and in love with? That one? Yeah, that was a big deal for me getting to chat to nev Campbell, but all three of them actually. Right. Courtney Cox, David Arquette, it's a surreal thing to get to meet people that you literally grown up, sort of watching and meaning a lot to you for various different reasons, especially with Courtney Cox, as well as projects. Yeah. Yeah, pretty insane, wasn't it? And also, you know, and as you'll hear them discuss that they were so nice. And they I think, love the world of scream and the fan base, and you know, the community around scream, and they kind of lap it up just as much as we all do, I think don't know, that's, that's what's so nice about it.

Anna Bogutskaya 32:36
It's really it's really lovely to speak to actors who have been so much a part of the DNA of a franchise like this because they are, you know, not just an every single one of the films but they love the films and those the original kind of really changed their careers and their lives and they've always been associated with them and, and fans love them because of that, because it never feels like any one of them is ever phoning it in. everyone shows up. And they're always showing up with the with the full intention of doing an absolute cracker of a job. Absolutely.

Mike Muncer 33:10
So, have a little Listen, this is our interview with the cost of the new scream. So as we mentioned, we sat down and chatted to David Arquette nev Campbell and Courtney Cox. And we also chatted to two of the new cast members, Melissa Barrera who plays Sam and Jack Quaid, who plays Ritchie, this interview is completely spoiler free, it's very short. It's only about 10 minutes. But here is our chat with the incredible cast of screen.

Anna Bogutskaya 33:47
So if we can begin with you, how did it feel to return to the role of Sidney Prescott after 10 years,

Neve Campbell 33:54
I love returning to these movies. You know, they they're such a big part of our lives last 25 years, and these movies are always a blast to make. So yeah, it's very exciting to get back into Sydney's boots.

Unknown Speaker 34:06
Courtney, in the last year we've seen obviously, you know, fans have been treated to the friends reunion and now we've got a new screen movie. Why do you think we're all so nostalgic for the 90s right now?

Courtney Cox 34:16
I don't know even the clothes are nice. That's a good point. I'm not sure but I think that there's been a lot of TV shows that are coming back out from the 90s I I don't know but I think that things that are good will always come back. And I think these two franchise well not franchises. I don't know what friends is but series. But this franchise, I was surprised it was going to come back. But the vision that the directors had and the writers they just knew how to bring it back in a way that even elevates it or makes it that elevates the original but makes it relevant.

Mike Muncer 34:53
David, did you ever think that you would be back here playing Dewey again?

David Arquette 34:56
No, not at all. Yeah, after West pass, I didn't If it would happen again but you know girls faces such an iconic horror character vs shape if they didn't keep making these films

Anna Bogutskaya 35:10
and on that note actually David can what are what are some of your best memories of working with Wes

David Arquette 35:15
she had such an impact on my life in so many ways I loved how he was just had such a dry sense of humor to David mess unusable. Try it again. I said sure. What's What should I do? Do it faster, do it better. Do it right. He was the best but then like doing scripting, we really sat me down and gave me a really, like, very father son kind of conversation and helped me sort of, I don't know, it really helped me out in life. My mom was dying at the time and really gave me a lot of inspiration and really gave me a lot of guidance. He was just the best

Mike Muncer 35:57
Jack Quaid and Melissa Barrera, you guys are obviously newcomers to the cast for this particular installment. Jack, tell me a bit about your history with the screen franchise. Did you grow up as a fan of the screen movies like so many of us did?

Jack Quaid 36:11
I have an interesting history with it because I Okay, like one of the first times I ever trick or treated I remember that was like the year that scream had just come out with the original and I remember being terrified by all the ghost faces that I was seeing everywhere you know, they would have we talked about earlier the one with a kind of translucent masks that you could like pump blood into that one gave me nightmares as a kid. So for a while, I was just like not gonna watch any horror movies at all. I don't want to do it. I don't want to scare myself. Then as I got older, you know, I started watching more of them. And I think Shaun of the Dead and also scream are both just so they're so good for some like a burgeoning horror fan. They're their gateway drugs. They reference so many other horror movies that after you watch them, you want to go check them out. So no scream was instrumental in my I don't know, my prowess as a horror buff prowess is the wrong word. We're all aware of this. But yes, scream was meant a lot. And the fact that I'm in this is just huge. I still can't believe it.

Anna Bogutskaya 37:16
Melissa, to go to go to you. What was it like for you coming into the scream family kind of how what has the experience been like for you a dream,

Melissa Barrera 37:24
I never in a million years ever. If you asked me, I thought that I would be part of Scream. Never. I I never even thought that I would make a horror movie because I get scared. I love horror movies. I'm kind of like a masochist because I love watching them. But then I have to sleep with a light on it or you know, with the bathroom with the bathroom open or with someone. But I never thought that I would make it and I realized coming in it, there's so much fun to make. It's like the most fun I've ever had making a movie was making this one. And it was just surreal to be able to come in and also get to interact with the originals, you know, because that they didn't have to come back. And they chose to give Matt and Tyler and the new writers and the new cast like an opportunity because they are screen you know, like without them it wouldn't be the same. And and I think that they were very generous, coming back and and I think this this movie has a really cool way of how the the new characters in the original characters interact. And the relationships between them I think is really special and unique. So I'm just I'm just so grateful that I get to be in this

Mike Muncer 38:48
this franchise has changed. It's grown. It's evolved over the years. We've got different directors, different writers, we've had different supporting cast members, we've had different characters, different killers. The one constant that's remained has been you three David Neff and Courtney right, Sydney, Gail and Dewey, what is it about these three characters, particularly that that connect with fans so much?

Neve Campbell 39:10
I don't know. I mean, it's been 25 years. So you've kind of grown up with us and the worlds evolved as and we've evolved as as it's gone on, it's really interesting to see them throughout the time where their characters are. So I think fans are really gonna enjoy just seeing seeing it all and you know, getting to see these characters again. Well, Courtney

Courtney Cox 39:31
and David are hilarious. And they're I mean, they're just so funny in these movies and grounded and wonderful and you know, I think people have really enjoyed watching those characters throughout and these films need that need that humor and need these guys desperately and I think it's also something to just having seen watched us for so long. You know, I think the movies were the first film was really big people loved it, and then they were always excited to see the next one and then Come 25 years later, it's almost like seeing family. I think I feel like it's that certainly that way in television, because you're in people's living rooms. Every week. Now it's every day. And you know, so people feel they know you. And I think people feel that about these characters.

Anna Bogutskaya 40:16
One of the great things that we love about the franchise and each film is kind of the whodunit element, you know, we always try to figure out who the killer is. And did you with this one? Did you have to work with different scripts with different endings with different killer reveals?

Melissa Barrera 40:29
Yeah, I mean, at one point in time, a lot of us had different scripts, and a lot of us didn't know who the killer was, or who was going to die. So there was almost this other movie happening about all of us actors trying to figure out what was going on, while we were shooting this movie about people trying to figure out what was going on. So it had almost another level of messiness to it, which was never worked like that before, but I loved it. It was so much fun

Anna Bogutskaya 40:57
that all the screen movies and this one in particular really deals with the fans and fan them kind of how was your experience of Scream fans been over the years?

Courtney Cox 41:07
I love the scream fans, I think they're their Uber fans. And they're fantastic. And I you know, I sometimes do these autograph conventions, and I meet 1000s of screaming fans, and I'll often see Sidney Prescott or Gail on someone's leg tattooed to someone's leg or arm or shoulder, which is a very surreal experience. It was very surreal the very first time I saw it, but people love these movies, and they have a blast with them. And some people even feel inspired by the women in these movies or you know, felt like it changed their life in some way. And you don't expect that when you make a horror film, you never know the effect that your your work will have on others. But it's always a pleasure when people come up and tell you something like that.

David Arquette 41:47
Tour fans are like the greatest in the world. There's so sweet as if you go to these conventions that it's like the nicest people. Some of them are just as obvious or

Melissa Barrera 41:59
whatever covered in blood. Yeah. Yeah.

David Arquette 42:02
I can't say enough about how much I loved the horror fans

Melissa Barrera 42:06
did it. I mean, I was you know, for all of us newbies, they really you know, before seeing the movie accepted us all with open arms they were they couldn't have been nicer and cooler.

Mike Muncer 42:17
Ready for this? So we're going to emphasize it one more time. From this point onwards, we will be spoiling scream 2020 to go away and get going and give it a watch before Before listening to what we're about to discuss. I want to start by asking you guys a bit about our predictions that we made for the last few episodes and how right slash wrong we were.

Anna Bogutskaya 42:46
I want to start by congratulating Miss Louise Blaine on hitting the nail on the head with a key prediction

Louise Blain 42:54
that stat trailer moment was too much the only reaction you were only going to get that reaction from Gale for doing shit to do Yeah,

Mike Muncer 43:02
yeah, it was exactly as you as you predicted. Right so you said that Gale looked super upset in the trailer and that could only mean one thing that do we dies can we believe it? Do we died? And and I remember Anna you were upset even by the suggestion that a Dewey would die and that be Dewey and Gail would no longer be married and living together as well. And that prediction also was correct, isn't it? They were you know

Anna Bogutskaya 43:30
when you said that they were you know Mike when you said that this film was made for you and Louis to we're talking about how this film seemed to kind of read your mind and tap into all the things that you wanted it to be well this film tapped into everything that I hoped it would not I no longer believe in love I no longer believe in good people surviving bad shit. And it didn't even go back Stuart brought that Billy

Mike Muncer 43:58
that right who could have predicted that was an amazing I've got to admit, I was sort of waiting I don't know about you guys the entire way through to see Matthew Lord pop up at some point. I really did think it was gonna happen. But I did never I for whatever reason I never expected us to see ski all rich in this film. But what a joy that was.

Anna Bogutskaya 44:18
I genuinely thought Steve was going to pop up as the killer. I like at one point I was like that is a very tall and very clumsy goes face that is still that is still popping up again from the dead. really better for 25 years. But no skeet came back and skip came back also the age I mean, not that he needs that but don't watch the age because that man has barely aged. He is like a very good whiskey. Yeah, he pops up because he this is revealed midway through the film. He's the the actual the father of one of our key characters.

Mike Muncer 44:57
Hmm, yeah, that was an issue. thing reveal, wasn't it Louise? What did you think of that? And this the our new final girl is the sort of long lost daughter of Billy Loomis. It was essential

Louise Blain 45:09
that wasn't it because the rules mean family connections. So we had to have a family connection. And the fact that that was introduced so early was amazing. I mean, that wasn't even a reveal. That was initially like, this is this is a setup. This is I'm going to explain to you that Billy Loomis is my dad. And I really loved the fact that again, we got that callback for she was seeing, you know, she was seeing him in the rearview mirror. It was like those scream three Sydney seeing her mother things to you, you had that blend of really quite strange, but also with this other. Well, we see a grounded narrative. It's not a grounded narrative, but with the more normal stuff too. So I love the introduction of that. I'm like, yes, you're on point. You're bringing most of the stuffs from one and two, but you're also giving me that little bit of sprinkling ridiculousness of three which is exactly what we need.

Mike Muncer 45:56
Did you guys also think about I think I over thought this but when I when I discovered that she was Billy's daughter, and there was this whole backstory right about how her mum was in a relationship with somebody but then she had an affair. She slept with Billy Loomis, and then she pretended that this other guy was the Father. And I was racking my brains thinking who's the mom gonna turn out to be and I was like, Oh my God, what if it's Tatum? Oh my god, what if it's like I was just trying to think of like various female characters from the first film from back in the day of who this mother could have been that slept with Billy Loomis.

Anna Bogutskaya 46:27
You heard a whole different script in your head about Tatum bit cheating on on the train her belly and you're cheating. I'm still with Billy Beane, getting pregnant by Billy having that baby while wearing those very tight crop tops in the 90s. And then going back to high school and getting murdered by Stu and Billy. Yes, yes,

Louise Blain 46:49
that's right. Makes complete sense. That's sorry, wait that stab? No, sorry.

Mike Muncer 46:56
But this was my brain during the

Louise Blain 46:57
fails again, what we were talking about before but trying to stay ahead. As much as we could try and be ahead of this movie. It was always it mostly ahead of us, which was nice. It was smarter than us for the duration. Although I did guess although we should maybe further things of we'll talk about the killers near the end.

Mike Muncer 47:17
Yeah, we'll get to that definitely. But just briefly go back to Stu as well. Like there were so many mentions of Stu and Matthew Lillith character throughout right even in the opening scene where like, it wasn't just Billy it was also sue and then later on somebody somebody mentioned Sue and everyone forgets about Sue and then there's a moment when do is like oh, he was some whack job that was friends with Billy Loomis and like there was I was just waiting for it. I was like way and then and then the fact that the final act happens in stews house I was like this is it is gonna pop up. I wonder if the writers kind of knew that that they were toying with us

Anna Bogutskaya 47:49
in that regard. Justice for my deranged pickle, I wanted him back.

Unknown Speaker 47:53
There's always Scream 6. Should we should we start at the beginning? And let me ask you because we've always talked about with each movie, you know, the opening scene kill the cold open, what it brings differently to each movie, how it differs from the previous ones. What did we make of this opening scene, Louise? And how did it compare to sort of previous ones you'd seen?

Louise Blain 48:15
Well, I think the initial opening had to do a lot of heavy lifting. It had to do 11 years of heavy lifting with with horror and it knew it had to do it. So we got that whole discussion about elevated horror to yet again with a young girl on the phone to go space. Fine. But we also had to break down basically a decade of horror censors like why like the barber joke, it follows and suddenly you were getting all these again, those little nods of I know that film. I know that film, I know that film. But at the same time, you also had to build the tension of a girl being home alone, speaking to ghost face, and yet again, it then had to hit the technology beats so we had her locking the doors using her phone which was there not working. So we had to then place it in 2020 to not just horror wise but technologically to because Ghostface is always like that. So I think making the most of I mean she was texting who she texting Amber that wasn't Amber. She was trying to lock her doors, it wasn't working. And yet it all boiled down to the simplicity of person wearing Ghostface outfit killing a girl. So I think it really addressed all of those things really, really nicely, and then pivoted it entirely because she didn't die.

Mike Muncer 49:24
She didn't die. I know that was a great little twist, wasn't it Anna What did you think of the opening this

Anna Bogutskaya 49:28
starts off the movie. And it starts off all the emotional narrative as well and all the kind of the the family dynamics and the soap operatic elements of the film, from the fact that this girl survives, it would have been a much less interesting scream if the initial victim had actually died. I think it would have been too repetitive and it found a very simple way to make it feel new and open up all these additional narrative doors for it to explore. Yeah, I

Mike Muncer 49:54
completely agree. I loved it. And I think for me the the opening scenes veered to For for me by the time it got to scream four it was trying so hard to be meta and funny. I wasn't the biggest fan of the opening scene of Scream four in how far it goes into sort of the the satire and comedy. And I love that this one brought it back to being a scary scene of a girl alone in the house again, and I think it pulled off that sort of tonal balance of yes, you laugh as soon as she like, looks at the landline in a weird way to be like, Why is the landline ringing and that made me laugh and there are moments that are really funny, but also there is genuine sort of threat in this one again, and then what a great little twist that she she didn't even die. That was awesome. I just

Louise Blain 50:37
found it interesting as well of maybe for new people. It's like ghosts face literacy, but that's not ghosts faced. It's a stab movie. It's a slasher movie. And I feel like that is redrawing the line of No, no, we don't do that. arrestor shit. We don't do any of this. We literally have the physicality and we've talked about a lot that physicality of knives. And it is nasty. It is brutal. It is something that scream has really kind of disgustingly celebrated and that we love about scream especially because it's so brutal before before people you know, bring lots of guns to a knife fight which always happens near the end of a screen movie. But I do think him drawing that line of No, no, no. Ghostface has a knife he is this you know, he's a traditional slasher villain. I did find like I was properly giggling about that like celebrating like, yes, give me the man in the mask and the knife. Yes.

Anna Bogutskaya 51:28
Ghostface is the purest.

Mike Muncer 51:30
Yeah, and and that character of Tara who you know, she she's reminiscent of Sydney in the original because the the final girl in the screen franchise is not somebody that likes scary movies, right? It's not somebody that likes slasher movies, as Sidney said in scream when she doesn't like all that shit. They're all the same. And it's the same in this world, right? Where terrorists like don't really like those films, there's not really much to them. I prefer the babba duck I prefer it follows and she even gets that amazing last line where she after she, you know, shoots the killer in their head and goes, I still prefer the babba Duke and that's a very, that's very Sidney Prescott. She gets the Sidney Prescott line of not in my movie doesn't see it in this film. And I really I love that as well about it. It's great. And

Anna Bogutskaya 52:09
I think one of the interesting things about this one and I think this might be a good jumping off point to talk about the new teenagers in scream is that we actually get kind of two final girls in this we get two sisters we get Tara and we get Sam Carpenter and aside from all the family dynamics between them, but both of them survive and both of them have their Sidney Prescott moments and both of them have their face off with ghosts with ghosts face Tara obviously at the beginning and and Sam at the end. And I think that those two confrontations those two really, really violent really funny scenes actually really bookend the film so nicely is that we never are just with one final girl were with both of them and she gets

Louise Blain 52:53
she gets another appropriately agonizing Ghostface moment in the hospital when the light squirt, I mean that scene is really painful. And I'm not just saying that because my seat buzzed when she ripped her cannula. Like genuinely I found that scene really, really good, really tense and really painful with her little because obviously we'd seen the knife go through her hand and then she was desperately trying to push the wheelchair we're like I thought she's so little she was tiny and she really went through the wringer and you're you properly felt for her so I feel like she got some of the scariest moments in the movie because she was really she was weak at that point. And you know I think that was really I found her particularly sadly so victimized

Mike Muncer 53:37
and also she's got that thing that Sydney gala Do you have which is like you know you we always laugh at how much Sydney Galan do we get shot and stabbed and maimed throughout all of the films right and she She must get stabbed more times than do we have in total just across this one film right I think at one point at the end one of the killers calls her a fucking pin cushion she just keeps being attacked and stabbed and I love that like no fuck you she still survives and best the killers at the end like it's great. Yeah loved. Yeah, good for Tara Tara and Sam we're great. We're great a great little duo final girls in this really good

Anna Bogutskaya 54:13
so what did you guys make about the the other teenagers and this and they're all kind of in one way or another connected to the original teenagers of the original screen.

Mike Muncer 54:24
So we've got the twins Chad and Mindy and they are related to Randy right they are niece and nephew I believe of Yahtzee because we get a little a little moment from with their mum who we've seen is Randy sister she's been in screen three already. So we've got the niece and nephew of Randy and they very much particularly Mindy played by jazz Jasmine Savoy Brown, she very much plays the kind of Randy character in this doesn't see the kind of the, the horror movie nerd that lays out all of the rules and all of that kind of thing. Then we've got this character of Where's played by Dylan Minnette, who's kind of he seems actually quite subtle. wheat for the for the bulk of the time he's around. Maybe too sweet. I think like, you know, there's a moment suspicious. Yeah, you become suspicious of him ultimately because he seems so pure in a way. And

Anna Bogutskaya 55:12
also he had bleached blonde dyed hair. I'm always suspicious of a man with beige, black dyed hair. Don't do it.

Louise Blain 55:17
Okay, so I just won my game of honor bingo in which I was like, at what point is she going to talk about his hair? Take That's off. And as about to talk about his tips.

Anna Bogutskaya 55:32
Listen, if you want to talk about 90s Old nostalgia coming back full circle. We're getting the we're getting the blonde tips back and

Louise Blain 55:39
got a tie dye t shirt on as well.

Mike Muncer 55:42
Oh my god, I love it. I love it. And he's the son of Judy, deputy, Judy, right from Scream four. So he's related to her. Then we've got the character of Amber, who's not related to anyone but she lives in the house. Do obviously. But she kind of fulfills the sort of sort of Tatum esque role, at least for the bulk of it right where she's sort of you might think she's the sort of mean girl type. But she's actually quite a loyal bit or appears to be a kind of loyal best friend to Tara and

Anna Bogutskaya 56:10
that she's the kind of all gothy antagonistic one of the group.

Mike Muncer 56:14
Yeah, yeah. And then who else have you got and you've got Chad's girlfriend live, who we don't really find out much about do we really, other than Mindy calls her the boring 1x quite suspicious

Louise Blain 56:29
a lot too. She gets lingering looks. She gets a sort of, oh, I'm going to do this. No, you're going to suspect to me, you're going to suspect me a lot.

Anna Bogutskaya 56:36
What I really enjoyed the most is actually the we get our teenage group. But also we get to sort of early 20s young adults. So with Sam and her boyfriend, Richie, who get pulled back into Woodsboro, at least Samas. She's from Woodsboro. She's Tara's sister. They're estranged. The family dynamics. There are, you know, very simple for like, and and that's fine that that tickles me. But she goes back to Woodsboro When Tara gets attacked, and she brings along her boyfriend, Richie who's paid by Jack Wade. And they're kind of you know, they're sort of early 20s. So them being mocked by the teenagers. It's also quite funny because you get them. You get the Gen the Gen Xers you get the millennials, and you get the Gen Z. Yeah, everyone is represented in this film. It's

Mike Muncer 57:24
so true. And I like that they kind of introduced that dynamic. Like I mentioned earlier of like, these characters will have a history with each other Sam used to babysit for her sister's mate. So they all knew her sort of growing up, Amber really doesn't like her because she abandoned her best friend and all this kind of thing. And again, I think they do quite a good job of kind of, we talked about it a lot with the original film where you you kind of build up a story in your mind of marine Prescott and cotton. And you kind of you you sort of picture in your head where these characters have all been in the past. And I think this movie kind of does a good job of painting that that past I think for these characters,

Louise Blain 57:58
you know, does it all in that great scene that I think newbies will heat, which is within insight of the Randy Meeks Memorial theater. As they're describing the plot to each other, and they're describing the way that this movie should go. And it's a great way of introducing us to all those characters, but also having Dewey sitting there. And I think there's some really, really funny moments. There's actually some proper, funny Dewey moments, which, obviously, we don't get many of so actually getting those in that scene is really important, but also understanding who I mean, Jasmine Savoy bones character, she's telling us the rules as to how they're meant to be no. And actually, I found it quite useful, because I'm like, what is the rules of a recall? Do I know the rules of record? Maybe I don't know the rules. Thank you for reminding me. Movie nerd. I think that I did not know.

Anna Bogutskaya 58:48
I love that model. I loved her and the film in general, the way that she kind of embodied this stoner bro and then an old knowing Stoner and the Randy Meeks kind of movie nerd archetype all mixed together, but also had this very, very chill girl vibe to her that I like, okay, so you're kind of updating and you're giving us the thing that we love, and we expect from a screen movie, but you're also making it kind of almost impossibly cool in a way that Gen Z characters and teenagers are impossibly cool. I'm like, oh, you can't do your 10 years ago it made you would want 100% Believe me, I know this.

Mike Muncer 59:27
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's very intimidating and very cool. Very,

Anna Bogutskaya 59:33
very character does Yardley.

Mike Muncer 59:35
And also, I suppose that is a really interesting thing to discuss as well that she lays out the rules of the recall. And she talks about this really interesting thing that makes it very often now which is yes, that these movies have to kind of exist in the world of the originals, but do their own thing. Partly because of toxic fandom, right? And there's there are some amazing references to things like Ryan Johnson's The Last Jedi movie obviously in the world of screws. Ryan Johnson directed stab eight which fans hated and rejected. Because it you know, it messed up their childhood and the movies they fell in love with and all of this kind of thing. What do you think of that and the way that it kind of introduces this idea of kind of very 2022 Toxic fandom into the screen world?

Anna Bogutskaya 1:00:19
I think it's one of the smartest approaches you could possibly take to both mocking and talking about what film what film world what film fandom and more specifically, or fandom is looking like right now. You know, there's a scene where Ritchie who at the beginning of the film kind of says that he doesn't know anything about the stab movies and we see him sort of educating himself or watching the movies on Netflix on his phone in the hospital. He's watching YouTube explainers and YouTube commentators on his phone as well. There's podcasts there's, there's all of these different new media that exists around found them around just talking, and and exploring and diving deeper and deeper and deeper into into particular property or movie or franchise. And that is so of the now that has happened literally in the last 10 years, probably arguably, even less than 10 years. And it is now the new fandom industrial complex. This is how we talk about films nowadays. These are these are also influencing films as well. We're now seeing and I think it was a little bit precedent in Halloween 2018 And it's very much a part of the story here. We're seeing how these are also affecting the stories that we're seeing on screen the fact that they're it's a little easter egg for anybody who's active on social media was aware of the backlash dead. Poor, excellent director of Ryan Johnson God on the back of his directing Star Wars Episode, whatever. Seven,

Mike Muncer 1:01:51
said I have to say, the best ever Star Wars film The best stars come up me fans. But

Anna Bogutskaya 1:01:58
yeah, like no one, no one is disrespecting Ryan Johnson in my house. Like, for him, I will fight for Ryan Johnson. Not that he needs me to but I will. But the you know that that's a little nod. And it's a little it's a little easter egg for anyone who was involved in that, you know, the discourse TM that we get every week on film, Twitter and on horror, Twitter. And I think it's quite curious because it is that it's a two way conversation. Now. It's not just a film fan, or a horror fan telling us this is how it is it is constantly evolving. And you can see that in this film entirely kind of peppered throughout, not even just in the two big speeches, two big expository speeches that we get about the rules. We get it throughout the whole film. And it is a we'll get to them in a little bit. But it is a key part of who the villains turn out to be as well.

Louise Blain 1:02:47
I think it's really interesting. The fact that that feels like it could do that, especially that model a couple of monologues but that monologue felt like it could have been written yesterday. You know, I think that's part of it as well, I think, despite the fact that obviously scream was delayed, and I actually don't know when that was shot and written. But it feels so current. And that's I think that's something that I think scream has successfully done. We've talked a lot about themes of crime and theme. And I do think airing in that direction is particularly interesting, especially given the fact that I'm very aware meta wise that you that you both and I are sitting on a podcast talking about scream. No, but that's we are multi levels of this particular the many headed beast that is horror cinema. And it's literally it's not chopping the heads off, but it's identifying all of them and it's saying all of this is here. And yet the creators still need to be able to create in the middle of this and it's almost a Don't you realize how impossible you have made this for us. Like we said that it had to do an impossible thing and that is literally the movie saying we can't be what you want us to be. We can't We can't please us specifically, because that's impossible. And I was grinning all the way through it because it was like well this is what you needed to do to fix it you needed to address it head on and do your own

Mike Muncer 1:04:07
thing it's so perfect isn't it? It's like of course it's one of those things that feels like of course that's what the screen movie is about and I didn't actually see it coming but it works so perfectly that idea of this kind of toxic fans it goes again back to billion stew really and Ghostface in general being this idea of kind of the ultimate horror gatekeeper you know like I will test you on your knowledge and you will die if you get it wrong, right? No haha fuck you. It was Mrs. Voorhees, not Jason Voorhees and stuff and there is that feeling of toxic fanboys right at taking their love of of genre or the thing they love too far.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:40
Most of the stab movies are based on things that happened here to find things. Things like

Unknown Speaker 1:04:47
a guy named Billy Loomis and his friend carved up a bunch of high school kids while wearing this Halloween ghost mask. And every decade or so some idiot gets the bright idea to put on the mask. Kill us friends and get famous too. Last time it happened was in 2011. I got to make sure

Melissa Barrera 1:05:05
we don't get sliced up by some lunatic Who's afraid of the 13th and thought, You know what? That Jason guy? He's got some pretty solid ideas,

Mike Muncer 1:05:12
Shree talks should we talk again, a little bit about Dewey and Gail and Sydney in this? Because, you know, they're not. They're not on screen as much as our main cast of characters, but they have some very kind of, I think, quite meaningful moments in the film, don't they? And like, do a show we talk a bit about Dewey and where he's at when we first meet him in this film and or if you can, if your emotions can handle it.

Unknown Speaker 1:05:35
Do Is that okay?

Mike Muncer 1:05:37
Okay, he's so sad.

Anna Bogutskaya 1:05:40
I want justice for my limping King. Do we is divorced? Do we have a drinking problem? Do we is deeply besotted, and still in love with Gail, and he wakes up every morning get strong and watches her on her morning show. So we get a lot of information just from seeing do we live in his camper van? You know, when we last saw him, he was a sheriff. He was a respected authority figure. He was married to the love of his life, Gale weathers and they lived in a beautiful house and Woodsboro. Now he lives in a trailer, he's kind of mocked, in a sad way. And he is not he is not doing so well. And he seems very angry. And we're not very used to seeing do we angry in that in that deep, frustrated, kind of sick way. And the where we where we see him at the beginning and how he's given his final sense of actually, it's a this entire film feels like a redemption for him. Because he gets to go back to do we the Savior, do we the good person who wants to help people, just because he wants to help them not for glory, not for himself, and very much at the cost of his own well being and ultimately his life. And he is he's given a raw deal. And then given a very, very violent redemptive arc. So although I appreciate it narratively, and I think it's absolutely the kicker, that this movie needed, and it is a very very ballsy move to kill off one of the core characters that has been with the franchise from the very beginning and is very, very beloved. It it was real painful.

Louise Blain 1:07:23
But I do think that the sin of Galen Dewey's reunion was, I didn't expect it to be nearly as emotional as it was, she started to cry. And then I started to cry. My four dxc had stopped enough for me to sit and cry. And I think that's what this movie does so well is the fact that our emotional heart is still in it. You know, our emotional heart is still with them. And hearing the fact that they were so cursed really because she couldn't exist in Woodsboro. And he couldn't exist in New York. And we know that it's because we see the little thing that says Tatum on it, we understand that he can't leave which bro is not Do we just can't he can't do it. So seeing them. There's no like, there was no real sass. There was nothing like that hilarious reunion in scream two, there was just this really sad, heartfelt sort of reunion between two people who've loved each other very much and couldn't be together. And I thought that was so I thought that was surprisingly had surprising emotional depth

Mike Muncer 1:08:29
that yeah, the bit the bit that got me was earlier actually. And I do I do also think that David Arquette, he's he's, he's great in this whole series, but in the first four movies particularly he's he's quite broad. He's the funny character. He's the goofy character. I think this is David Arquette best performance in the whole screen franchise. I think he's just wonderful in this and he's subtle, and he's like, emotional and moving and, and really funny, he gets some amazingly funny moments as well. But the moment when he phoned Sydney really got me as well at the beginning and he's kind of holding back his own tears while he's on the phone to Sydney. I thought that it was really moving as well and then and then it goes so funny because then he texts scale and says ghost faces back don't come here and then since a second text go hope you're well smiley face. Shouldn't have done the smiley face you know, and he he's brilliant because his character was genuinely such a sad thing to behold in this movie, but also there's so much warmth and emotion and everything else. It was a great, it was a great final chapter for Dewey in a way I think it was

Anna Bogutskaya 1:09:33
a great send off and what about Sydney? Sydney is doing fine, good for Sydney. Sydney is jogging. Sydney always has a gun and her Sydney has kids. She has a husband, good for said. And she is such a grounding when she does finally make her way back to Woodsboro. She has such a grounded energy about her this time around. She is not wounded anymore. Sydney is a full human being she's healed she's not letting this shit drag her down. She's there to help. But she she's unafraid and I think this might be a little we got this a bit in the in screen for but I think in this one she's not on screen as much and I think it works really well because she's she's not ultimately the the target of ghosts face anymore she really isn't which is the the new thing about this grave. But she comes back because she knows the mechanics of the movies. She knows the mechanic of the of the killers, whoever it might be. She's seen and heard this whole before so she knows how to how to react to it. And also she now has this kind of protective nature about her if like, you know No, I want to help these kids. Let's let's murder this bastard once and for all. Let's get rid of this.

Louise Blain 1:10:50
And guys, she is Mark detective Mark Kincaid. Oh, I did not even think of that must be

Anna Bogutskaya 1:11:01
amazing spot she would

Louise Blain 1:11:02
have to be with someone who understood. said he's not going to be with someone. She's

Mike Muncer 1:11:07
cool with a gun Of course you'd be gonna Yeah, she wasn't

Louise Blain 1:11:10
gonna end up on Tinder. wishy. I mean, not.

Mike Muncer 1:11:17
Greatly, at least to like, I never even thought about that. Yeah, that's such a good spot. And also, I do feel like you're right. She doesn't have a whole lot to do. She's not the target. She comes in for some really meaningful sequences. And it's amazing. Just that amazing. Very much for the fans shot of her walking into Stu, Stu mark his house and the Sydney theme, like coming in at that very kind of like, whooping and cheering moment right at the end. And it's it was really awesome. But I also got the feeling that maybe we can talk about predictions at the end. But I think that if we do get more screen films, I wonder if that's it, it felt like a passing of the baton a bit from Sydney in this movie. And I think that might be it for Sydney, Gale and Dewey, if we do get any more screen movies, you know, it kind of felt like, this was this was it for them. And this was sort of passing the baton on to a new generation, which we didn't quite feel quite as much in screen for I don't think whereas this one really did feel like that. I think you know,

Anna Bogutskaya 1:12:13
I absolutely agree. Yeah. And I think especially because there is no more doing, I think that original trio that dynamic that that triangle that has kept the entire screen franchise together all these years is kind of done now. They need to they need to move on.

Louise Blain 1:12:29
And I suppose that skills learning as well, if I'm not going to write about this stuff, I'm going to write about a hero.

Mike Muncer 1:12:35
Exactly. Yeah. They've come to the end of their arcs, haven't they? I think and as much as I thought I'd be more mad about that, because we talked a lot about how the screen movies are Sidney Prescott. But actually this did feel like a kind of fitting send off for them. And if we do get most we might not but if I imagine this is going to do very well. And if we get more screen movies, I think that might be it for for Sidney and Gail as well as can be future easter egg. Shall we talk about the final act then and the Kindle reveals? Yes. Yes, yes. So as is tradition, of course we find out that there are two killers, not one. We've got one of the little Gen Zed is horrible Amber. And then we get Sam's boyfriend Ritchie, the guy who kind of for the bulk of the movie appeared to be the kind of slightly comedic sidekick who didn't know anything about the stab movies and didn't know about Woodsboro and didn't know anything about the past. He of course turns out to be one of the killers as well. What did we think of this reveal? And did you guys predict it Anna

Anna Bogutskaya 1:13:38
as theory rightfully says very early on in a movie Rule number one is you never trust a love interest

Mike Muncer 1:13:44
salutely Do we was right

Anna Bogutskaya 1:13:46
do we Yes do decades. Former Sheriff do is always right but also this is this is the number one rule of my own life as well. Never trust a love interest. Never trust a man who says he's never seen a movie lies lies you're lying if you have to go and be like Well I've never seen the stat movies I'm much more of an it follows kind of guy are you Richie Are you Yeah, you've got horror Reddit written all over you my man. I did call it to be honest. I called Amber because I think she she was leaning way too heavily into the the angry ulti girl, which is a trope that I really love from 19 slashers and we didn't see too much of her but every time we saw a bit of her she was always just staring daggers at everyone and Richie because he's the He's the new love interest in the love interest. Scream movies are usually the killers.

Louise Blain 1:14:42
I guess her I guess her big simply because there was a weird intense scene earlier where she was like, Do you have your inhaler? So she was weirdly obsessed with the inhaler. So then when there was the inhaler reveal, I was like, Oh, yes, I know who you are. I immediately dismissed Richie and then I brought it back into the picture as the movie wanted me to do. And then I kicked him out of my head as the movie wanted me to. Basically, I was exactly what the movie wanted with regards to him because by that point I had pleasantly discounted him so that when it was him, I felt celebratory because I was You did it, you convinced me otherwise well done, because it was so well orchestrated. And every beat of that third act was all about placement. Because the directors understand that scream has become so obsessed with the killers that we already know who's behind which ghosts face and how many ghost faces there are, and who was present for that death and who couldn't be there for this one. So we were mentally moving all these chess pieces constantly all the time. And I'd settled my chess piece on Amber's, but I hadn't on him. And I think the fact that so when it was him, I was just like, oh, checkmate, you did it. Yes, but that point, you'd convinced me which made me feel really happy as you said, because it's like you beat me. Good work.

Mike Muncer 1:15:54
I was the opposite way around to Louise. So I thought Amber was too obvious. So I dismissed Amber from the beginning. I thought she's too weird dark gothy aggressive from the start. But I absolutely thought Richie at a particularly when the hospital attack happens and the killer just knocks Ritchie out and slices his arm and then leaves him I was like, right, well, that's, that's 100%, Richie and somebody else. And of course my head cannon was it's Richie and Sue marker like it's gonna be Richie and Sue. So yeah, didn't quite fit my headcanon. But yeah, so that's interesting. So we all had a mix. And the predicted both I predicted Richie Louise predicted Amber.

Anna Bogutskaya 1:16:38
For me, it was the fact that Ritchie kept on watching stab movies and commentary about the staff movies. I'm like, you say you didn't know or like this franchise, but you have spent the entire movie learning about it. This is not research about what spurred by dude.

Mike Muncer 1:16:54
Yeah, he spends the whole film on YouTube and read it basically. The thing is,

Louise Blain 1:16:58
I actually I was fooled. I was a fool, obviously. But I was like, well, he he's being the foil for the people who don't know anything. Yes. I was like, He's that because he is perfect for that. Because obviously, it is so smart that he is perfect for that to that I was like, Oh, well, he's the noob like, he's the one that's us having to learn all of this stuff. And it's like, well, that's quite nice. And also he's he was also the vehicle for again, that modern tech, that modern communication of sitting with his headphones in in the hospital watching a screen. And it's like, oh, that's yeah, that's how we all watch horror. No. So I found that particularly nice nod for that.

Mike Muncer 1:17:28
And of course, their motives was essentially that they were just toxic. fanboy fangirls right. They essentially just wanted to recreate the set make stab great again, basically, right, wasn't it after after Ryan Johnson stab at Barnsley? Yeah,

Anna Bogutskaya 1:17:44
they wanted to reboot the franchise. Yeah. It's like horror, Twitter materialized into a horror villain. Yeah.

Louise Blain 1:17:51
But I did love so much. It was all in that kitchen. So going back to that original one having them throw each other around in that kitchen was just like this. Just this delicious. There was a couple of really delicious moments. You know, Jasmine Savoy brown sitting on that sofa as we saw new bits of stab that we'd never seen before, which was Yeah. I mean, that was amazing.

Mike Muncer 1:18:12
Little bit of Rodriguez is stabbed coming back. Yeah. So I

Louise Blain 1:18:15
think that was lovely. It was like that was the point where I think the meta got so much for me where I was at, I should look behind me. This is becoming absurd.

Anna Bogutskaya 1:18:25
And what did you What did you guys make about the we've talked very briefly about the visions of Billy Loomis, but that's obviously the return of skied Oelrich, but also, this idea of his sound potentially the killer because she is the illegitimate daughter over a series of a deranged serial killer from the very first film and these divisions of him seem to it at the beginning of these hint that there is something homicidal about her, you know, this whole thing of nurture versus nature. And that then that reveal at the end that especially that one liner, if you know, don't fuck with the daughter of a serial killer, is a great line when she turns on Richie. But did that approach work for you?

Mike Muncer 1:19:05
For me? It really did. Because I think it takes multiple boxes doing that, because it taps into that nostalgia, first of all six skeet over. It's just that was just really exciting. For one thing, and I'm never the biggest fan of this. Again, it's a very Star Wars thing, right? This idea of like, we're going to digitally bring back young princess lair, or Peter Cushing or whatever. And it's like, they did it with Halloween kills and Donald Pleasance, I'm not the biggest fan of it generally. But I think that this is sort of worked because it's not trying to look realistic. It is a characters vision of a father that she never met, and she only knows from recreations in stab movies. So he kind of looks a bit kind of weirdly uncanny. And it kind of worked for me in that regard. So I liked it. And I liked seeing skeet back, but also it really connects her to this idea of Sidney Prescott right that Sidney Prescott had this had this it all stems from her parents to like everything was happening because of her mother and but I think it works really well for me. I loved it.

Anna Bogutskaya 1:20:05
And we kind of briefly talked about the violence in the gore of this film. But did it feel extra gory to you guys as well? Because it kind of felt to me. Yeah,

Mike Muncer 1:20:17
it was a different kind of go to screen for which was like fountains and rivers of blood. This was a little bit more, it was stubbier wasn't it than the previous ones. And there was maybe a bit less like over the top gore. But it was quite, it was quite visceral, like there's, um, maybe we'll talk about this in the screams, where we talk about some of our favorite kills, but there are some real sustained knives going into flesh moments, right? That really linger in ways that like, oh, we haven't seen this before in the screen films, you know,

Louise Blain 1:20:49
Hans Hans knaves going through hands. No one's really done that before and through, it's going through my cheek interfaces, you

Mike Muncer 1:20:55
know, yeah, it's pretty pretty not like I really felt it in places. Yeah, it was good.

Louise Blain 1:21:00
I did. It wasn't the violence before it, but when was, was being hunted in the house. I talked about the tantric jumpscares. Like, that was just five minutes of constant fake outs of like, well, you think you know, post scary movies work? And we're going to give you how you think that you know, they work and then we're going to give you a version of it. And I did. I think for some people they might not I think some people might not have enjoyed that. But I really did. Because I thought right. So you're trying to you're trying to readdress how slasher jumps work. And you're, you're winning like this. And that's before the horrific violence occurs

Anna Bogutskaya 1:21:36
once we one thing we haven't talked about. And that kind of really looms over this scream is the absence of Wes Craven, who directed every single one of the screen movies and to whom this film is also dedicated at the end that that that dedication, when it pops up in the credits did make it choke up a little bit. So how do you think the new directors Matt and Tyler fared

Mike Muncer 1:21:59
I think they absolutely nailed it. You know, like, I think like, like, we keep saying, like, this movie does what the first film did so well. I think they balance tone really well. I think that they pay tribute to wears really well. And, you know, previously they done movies like ready or not right, which is a really fun movie. It's slushy. It's violent, it's nasty, but it's also really funny. So in certain ways, I think they were the they were a great choice for that. Because I think pulling off that kind of tonal balance is what you need for a screen film. Yeah, I was really impressed with them. And and also they they they didn't want to make it so radically different. They didn't want to be like God, guys, this is our scream film. Like it really felt like they were they were channeling Wes Craven deliberately. And I really liked that about it. It felt respectful.

Louise Blain 1:22:47
Yeah, that third act, literal razor drink to a character called Wiz and have like, literally have the third part. The third ACT Party was literally a dedication to what as, as just a lovely little moment without being I think they were really respectful to the characters. They understood those characters so well, which is obviously why nev and Courtney and David returned, because wares was such an important thing we heard in those interviews, he was such an important part of their lives, that they wouldn't have returned for a cheap cash and they were returning for people who loved those movies, who understood those characters and who could do them justice. And I think the the multilayer justice was was done to those characters in a way that I think MIT not very many other directors could have could have taken that one. I mean, imagine it was really stressful for them. The idea of that, which obviously, again, comes through in that sort of record discussion, but I do think I mean, they just knocked out of the park.

Anna Bogutskaya 1:23:44
Yeah, I think it's it's it's an impossibly big set of shoes to try to fill and I think they don't attempt to do a West grave. And I think they know that they're an entirely different generation of filmmakers that they have their own thing to do their own their own kind of things they need to prove to audiences into themselves, but they clearly get the heart of Scream. And I think when you pointed out the fun of it, both their previous work and this feels fun in a way that the screen movies always are they're not trying to outsmart Wes Craven they're not trying to out direct him because they know that that would be an impossible thing to an impossible feat to achieve. So they pay do tribute to Wes and they understand the the heart and what makes the screen movie tick.

Mike Muncer 1:24:32
Yeah, and yeah, they make every kill count. I think as well like we've already talked about some characters don't die that you expect to die. Some characters do die that you're not expecting to die on every. It's got a relatively low body count. Like when you see the amount of characters that do survive and are still being wheeled off into stretches at the end. You're like, oh, who actually died in this movie then? But I think that's the thing. It's like, it's got that Wes Craven way of like these modes is not just random, faceless victims we don't care about like, all of them felt like in some way or another, they had resonance and that was really important as well. I think, you know,

Anna Bogutskaya 1:25:09
I ready to do the final scream ace of Hello Sydney as I'll ever be.

Mike Muncer 1:25:15
I'm emotional but ready

Anna Bogutskaya 1:25:22
so what was the scariest moment of screen 2022.

Mike Muncer 1:25:26
I think it might be like the moment Louise mentioned earlier where you keep expecting a jumpscare. And it keeps being sustained. Like I loved that long, tense moment of where's all on his own in the house, we've seen his mother be murdered right outside the house on the porch. And that's a that's a quite scary moment in itself because she's being stabbed to death in the middle of the daylight in her quite nice neighborhood. And there's nobody there to help her. And her son is right inside and has no idea his mother is lying dead on the porch. And it's just that sustained tension of like, I'm opening this door, I'm closing this door, I'm opening this fridge, I'm closing this fridge. And again, every moment of it elicited with emotion too, because when he opens the fridge door, you see a nice little note from his mom with a smiley face or you see a photo of the two of them. And it's again really hitting home like this is a child and his mom and she's just been murdered and all of that kind of thing. So I think I think for me, that was one of the scarier moments in the film. I

Louise Blain 1:26:23
think. I think for me the moment Dewey walked out of that lift. Yes, Louise when he walked out of that left, my stomach dropped because I was literally like, I hate it when I'm right. Like, I don't want to be right please don't be right. Because you know, you know the rules, you know that he will either walk to the knockout ghost face and ghost face will be gone. Or you know, that ghost face will wake up either of which you don't want to happen. So I think that moment of like, I need to shoot him in the head was just utterly devastating. So I guess it doesn't come under scariest, but definitely most definitely.

Mike Muncer 1:26:59
Yeah. Dread inducing. Yeah.

Anna Bogutskaya 1:27:02
I think that was my scariest moment because I was I was fearful for Dewey. I like exactly like you the moment those elevator doors closed. I was like I knew and I was scared about what was going to happen and I did not want to be right and I did not want you Louise to be right.

Louise Blain 1:27:18
I know I'm so sorry. We'll never forget.

Anna Bogutskaya 1:27:22
What about your favorite kills which you know, why are different from from the scariest moment? Well,

Mike Muncer 1:27:29
I guess I know that sounds mean. But I think I'd say Dewey. Because it was so shocking. And so bold, and really, really nasty to write he was properly sort of gutted

Louise Blain 1:27:40
I guess it was a who are not coming back from this. What can we do that makes it worse will literally put a knife in the front a knife in the back and up. Oh, oh,

Mike Muncer 1:27:51
yeah, you're not surviving this one. Oh, savage.

Anna Bogutskaya 1:27:54
I think mine was actually detective duty because it was in broad daylight because her son was on the other side of the door. Because there were so many opportunities for anyone literally anyone with a window in that beautiful white picket fence neighborhood to help her and she was just getting stabbed for a very long time right in front of right in front of her house and the ghosts he said he toyed with her so much in the in the in the lead up to that. It was Wow. Couldn't even wait to get her through the door in her own house. literally killed her on the front yard. Underneath this American flag. It just felt very nasty to a degree that I hadn't really you know, recalled from previous screen films. It's like Wow, you really hate this woman don't you? Did we have a favorite new character from the from the new set of people were introduced to in this new screen?

Mike Muncer 1:28:49
I mean, probably Mindy, right. Yeah, yeah,

Anna Bogutskaya 1:28:51
it's definitely definitely again.

Mike Muncer 1:28:55
We love it. We love the nerds.

Anna Bogutskaya 1:28:56
She's like she's got the coolness of Kirby and the obnoxious knowledge of Randy makes and Anna kind of a very very obscene Lee cool 2022 vibe to her. I loved her. And did we do we have a favorite cameo in this one ski usually ski

Mike Muncer 1:29:17
could they possibly a better get a better view a better cameo than skis I loved

Anna Bogutskaya 1:29:23
I have to say for me, it was the it was the hunky Ghostface I don't know strictly a cameo. But it was just something that popped up way in the back and that little vision of Ryan Johnson's vision of stuff. I was like, You know what, I want to see this movie. I want to get to know this girl's face.

Mike Muncer 1:29:38
Yes, yes. Release the Johnson cut.

Louise Blain 1:29:45
Please never do.

Anna Bogutskaya 1:29:47
Yes, I would love her and Johnson to just for fun, direct a whole step eight movie based on that 10 seconds of footage that we see in this screen.

Louise Blain 1:30:00
I think it has to be ski. I think it has to be ski there's I mean that first moment where you're just like oh, that's what it's doing. Yes, that's what this movie is gonna do this yet again, it's doing the impossible and I'm here for it doing the impossible. I especially loved when she was driving and he was sitting in the backseat. I don't know why that was so good. That was great was just my favorite thing. Little

Mike Muncer 1:30:19
little urban legend desk almost. Also, I don't know if this counts as a cameo but Randy's little mental piece shrine, his photo there in Mindy's house was great as well loved it.

Anna Bogutskaya 1:30:31
The final scream he really has to be our favorite original trio moments are favorites. Sydney, Gail Dewey moment.

Louise Blain 1:30:38
Okay, I'm gonna start with my favorite Sydney moment was when she just hung up the phone when she got to the top of the stairs. She was like that was it was just that. Yes, that's this is the evolution of Sidney Prescott. Everything you were saying earlier about her. Like she's not the final girl anymore. She's just the one that gets shit done. And that was just the perfect example of her hashtag girl boss and Ghostface was just hanging the fuck.

Mike Muncer 1:31:02
I love how she just shoots every door like yes, like, does it and you just hear somebody like ah on the other side of it. It's just brilliant. I loved it. So good. Sydney

Anna Bogutskaya 1:31:11
is taking no shit anymore. She's just like, No knives, just guns. She's like, top pow pow pow pow throughout the entire movie.

Mike Muncer 1:31:20
So good. Yeah, good. Yeah.

Louise Blain 1:31:25
So I went to therapy and got a gun. Excellent. Good.

Mike Muncer 1:31:29
Oh, God, favorite Gale and Dewey moment. I mean, I think we all have probably the most emotional Gale slash Dewey Bowman, don't we really? It's Yeah, it sounds it. gala has a few fun lines throughout actually, as well. But we haven't really mentioned but she's got a bit of that Gail nastiness at times in the second half as well, when she interacts with some of the like the Djinns letters, which made me laugh.

Louise Blain 1:31:50
If she finally got her Gail back. Like when especially I loved when her and Sydney were about to get in the car. And she was like, Oh, I learned from them, she said to was Sydney said to her, I've learned from the best kind of thing. I love that kind of stuff between them because they never see they've always been at loggerheads. They've never really, they don't work together, they only work together in the final act when literally there's blood pouring from someone and someone else will die otherwise. So actually to see them going on a bit of a road trip to the car, for instance, in the car from to the house from the first one felt like new ground. And it felt really It felt nice. It felt like something we'd never seen before but was quite natural. So finally, they weren't just interacting oil on the floor covered in blood.

Anna Bogutskaya 1:32:32
I think my favorite moment for for Gail is actually on the back of that is when Sydney turns up, she turns up to support her friend, she turns up to support this person that has been either reluctantly been involved in some of the most traumatic and meaningful events in their lifetimes. And they just hug, they don't punch each other. There's no animosity they're done with that. This is a moment where they step up for one another. And they acknowledge what they've meant to each other. And then that I think that is the heart of of this movie, it knows that this relationship, this connection between these characters goes beyond the Stabby stabby plot. It's something it's something much richer and much deeper.

Mike Muncer 1:33:14
And Gail finally acknowledges to you know, watch what she's done to Sydney in the past, I think as well, which is really the first time she's sort of done that in the series where she goes, This is all because I wrote that book on your mother and and then Sydney is like, No, it isn't. Don't be ridiculous kind of thing. So they've really kind of acknowledging and forgiving each other by this point. Finally, like 25 years on Yeah, it's really nice.

Louise Blain 1:33:35
I just find that really hard. Like i When my parents started watching the new Star Wars movies with and they were like, oh, you know, when I first saw this, they were young. And now I realized that how they must have felt like so we're looking at, we're looking at our favorite characters age, and I don't I think this is maybe a wider point. But I think it's something that we've all noticed over the past couple of years, especially over pandemic times. We're all quite, we're all quite introspective now. And I do think that there's definitely a progression of looking at our, you know, people that we saw in school movies, and then suddenly Actually, no, they're leaving that long behind and I actually felt like for the first time I was watching them going age to i I've 25 years has passed since I saw this and 25 years has passed since you were in this and I think there's a real a thoughtful sense of aging and progression and a natural clause. There we go. We got old guys we got old nope, nope. unsubscribe. You're still on tick tock and so it's fine.

Anna Bogutskaya 1:34:37
That's true. I'm still clinging on to my youth by aggressively tick tock

Mike Muncer 1:34:47
guys, we did it. We've we've we've covered scream 2022 That's it for episode five. And that's it for Hello, Sydney. I can't believe it's come to an end already. Thank you so much. Everyone listening for subscribing and supporting our little podcast over the last few weeks we've absolutely loved doing it. And if people want to hear more of me and Anna and Louise, there are plenty of other horror podcasts out there that you can hear us on. And where can people find you and more of your work? I

Anna Bogutskaya 1:35:22
mean, were ridiculously prolific. So you can find me on the final dose podcast where we're currently looking at the teen horror genre and where I have intensely deep dive discussions about horror movies and horror Jason movies usually looking at tropes we've done which is within vampires within female monsters. We're doing teen horror now. And also, I host the American Horror Story recap podcast, which comes out weekly, called the next Supremes, and you can hear me review new releases occasionally on BBC five lives film show weather tainment and I also guest occasionally on Mike's podcast evolution of horror, and you can find me on Twitter at Anime demented where I try to post everything that I'm where I'm talking or writing about movies. Horror included.

Louise Blain 1:36:21
LOUISE I you I'll start off and you can find me on Twitter at SHINee underscore demon where I will post links to when I'm on and as podcast when she lets me talk about things with her. And when we agree it's nice and when we don't, it's better. I will also find me on Mike's podcast, the evolution of horror occasionally, and every month you'll find me on radio three's sound of gaming as I journey through video game soundtracks in a specific theme and interview composers. You'll also find me talking and writing about tech on radio Scotland and T three Facebook games and Guinness radar. But yeah, you can find me multiple places. But yes, my Twitter is at SHINee underscore demon.

Mike Muncer 1:37:00
And you can find me on Twitter Mike Mansur at the movie, Mike. But I also host the horror discussion podcast the evolution of horror and if you love listening to these discussions, if you love listening to nerdy deep dives of horror movies, then you will love the evolution of horror. There's nearly 200 episodes worth of discussions just like these are all of the most classic horror movies throughout horror history. That's the evolution of horror. You can find that wherever you get your podcasts

Louise Blain 1:37:38
Hello Sydney is produced by Mike Munster and Anna Bogutskaya. For Paramount Pictures. The show is hosted by Louise Blaine, Anna Bogutskaya and Mike Munster, and it's edited by Mike Munster.

Mike Muncer 1:37:52
celebrate the 25th anniversary of scream in 4k available to download and keep on Apple scream 2022 is in UK cinemas right now and it's distributed by Paramount Pictures.