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What's your biggest lesson from being married to me?
Mike Watts:Learning learning how to actually open my heart and love people. Oh, that's beautiful. Like, what that is.
Kate Northrup:How to out open your heart.
Mike Watts:Yeah. And, like, define love for myself. Like, what does that look like? Because, like, we hear it all the time. You you know, you you go to a concert and somebody else says, like, I love you guys.
Mike Watts:It's like, you don't know anybody.
Kate Northrup:Welcome to Plenti. I'm your host, Kate Northrup. And together, we are going on a journey to help you have an incredible relationship with money, time, and energy, and to have abundance on every possible level. Every week, we're gonna dive in with experts and insights to help you unlock a life of plenty. Let's go fill our cups.
Voice Over:Please note that the opinions and perspectives of the guests on the Plenty podcast are not necessarily reflective of the opinions and perspectives of Kate Northrup or anyone who works within the Kate Northrop brand.
Kate Northrup:Hi, Annie. Hi. Welcome to Plenty. Thanks. Welcome to our podcast.
Mike Watts:Number 2. 2nd time.
Kate Northrup:2nd time. So I thought of 2 questions to start us off. This week is our 10th wedding anniversary, and that's hard to believe.
Mike Watts:You mean when this is coming out? Because right now is not our 10th wedding anniversary.
Kate Northrup:Yes. Yes. I mean, great. Project into the future with me.
Mike Watts:I got it.
Kate Northrup:And on the day this is published, it is, I think, 3 days before our 10th wedding anniversary, which is July 5th. And, that feels like not possible. I really can't believe our wedding was 10 years ago, but are your your pants okay?
Mike Watts:Yeah. I'm good. I just wanna make sure that any really alpha males are watching that I'm in my alpha male stance. Oh. They can't make fun of me.
Mike Watts:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Do are there a group of alpha males on the Internet who come and make fun of other men?
Mike Watts:Yeah. Of course.
Kate Northrup:Is that a thing?
Mike Watts:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. They're not masculine enough.
Mike Watts:They don't
Kate Northrup:do it. Alpha male stance mean?
Mike Watts:I'm just, like, legs spread wide, taking up my space.
Kate Northrup:Taking up the space.
Mike Watts:Because my balls are so big.
Kate Northrup:Okay. Yeah. So I was gonna start off by asking 2 questions. Mhmm. The first one is, what is the hardest part about being married to me?
Mike Watts:The future tripping.
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Mike Watts:It is the 1,000,000 ideas that come out of your head every day, which is also amazing. Right? It's, like, way better than having somebody that doesn't wanna do
Kate Northrup:anything in their life. Be married to a limp noodle.
Mike Watts:Yeah. A limp noodle. But it is I think that is one of the hardest things is that I always have the running joke that it's lucky that I'm still here. Like, for some reason, you keep showing up every day and choosing to be with me.
Kate Northrup:No. You just keep staying. Every day, wake up, still there. I'm like, alright. Well
Mike Watts:Okay. So yep. That's So you're really
Kate Northrup:good at loading and unloading the dishwasher. A
Mike Watts:dishwasher. A dishwasher. Yeah. You're terrible.
Kate Northrup:Okay. So the hardest part is the future tripping. What's the best part?
Mike Watts:What's the best part? The future tripping. Oh. The constant desire
Kate Northrup:to my vision.
Mike Watts:The vision. Yeah. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. It's another one. Well, I guess these are
Mike Watts:2 different things, really. So that one of them is
Kate Northrup:Well, they're the shadow and the light of
Mike Watts:the same thing. Yeah. The vision of wanting to do something that is new and it's adventures. Right? Like, my wedding rings, wrong one.
Mike Watts:It says
Kate Northrup:So what's your aura ring?
Mike Watts:You know, life is a real trip, falling in love wait. What does it actually say?
Kate Northrup:It says falling in love is a real trip.
Mike Watts:Yeah. Falling in love is a real trip, and that's what we are. We're on, like, an adventure we have been since we got together. So that, I would say, is one of my favorite pieces of being with you. And I would sense with the ideas is that they're what I would say what happens internally for me is sometimes when so many ideas get presented, there's an unhappiness of where we currently are.
Mike Watts:So it takes it out of the present moment to think that we have to go do these things, not to find happiness.
Kate Northrup:Interpret it as there's a problem with some with where we are.
Mike Watts:What it kinda comes across with sometimes.
Kate Northrup:Right. When I'm presenting you with an idea about something new, you're taking it as there's a problem with what's now sometimes.
Mike Watts:Yeah. Because the way you operate you can correct me if I'm wrong, but it's
Kate Northrup:You know how I operate. I really need to correct you.
Mike Watts:You're, like, when you say you wanna do something, in your head, it's, kinda, already done. And you're, like, I thought of the idea, now I'm on to the next thing. But then for that idea to be completed, there might be 50 steps behind it.
Kate Northrup:I'm not very process oriented.
Mike Watts:Yeah. So that is I would say that can be frustrating sometimes. Yeah. Because tomorrow, you're gonna come with another idea that you have and it's already done, which also requires 50 steps behind it. So in 3 days with 3 ideas, there's a 150 steps to be completed.
Mike Watts:But in case, they're already done. So it is beautiful to be in. Because in the other end, it's like more of me that's like, okay. How do we do all a 150 steps? So it's thinking of the process in the system that needs to happen with it.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. I'm trying to imagine if you had ended up with some other type of person. And, like, what
Mike Watts:I mean, I've dated many other types of people.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. I know. But you haven't, like, built a whole life with them. I just was, like yeah. I don't know.
Kate Northrup:Anyway, okay. So I got a question person. Someone who doesn't have so many ideas and who's not so big picture oriented.
Mike Watts:Well, I would have only I would have been with someone that had ideas. Because I actually knew relationships are gonna work, because I dated this woman once and I said, we are in our twenties. It was, like, just after college graduation. I had one semester left, she was done And she was working at a, she was a pharmacist. And I was like, what do you wanna do with your life?
Mike Watts:Like, your career and this type of stuff. And she goes, well, I'll just work here at the the place she was working and I'll move up and just be here for 35 years. And I was like, this isn't gonna work. Like, I just knew immediately it wasn't gonna work. Because I was like, there has to be there's more than just, like, being at 1 if you choose to do that, that's fine.
Mike Watts:But, like, for me being in a partnership with somebody, I was like, there there has to be a little bit more of an adventure. So I went the other extreme where it's, like, 30 years to
Kate Northrup:yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Every day every day, I have a different vision for our future.
Mike Watts:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:So I got a question from someone who is
Mike Watts:What about me?
Kate Northrup:Oh, you wanna ask? Okay. Great.
Mike Watts:Answer those for me.
Kate Northrup:Okay. The hardest part about being married to you is,
Mike Watts:is You can just say it. Yeah. You don't have to sugarcoat it.
Kate Northrup:Tone of voice Yeah. And being grumpy.
Mike Watts:Yeah. Yep.
Kate Northrup:It's that you can be really abrasive and combative. However I mean, that is hard. However, the part about that that's been so great for me is, like, I used to, like, turn that into then I needed to do something about it. I needed to fix it. You're mad at me.
Kate Northrup:I'm in trouble. Like, I used to go on a whole thing about it, and I'm so much better at being, like, great. You just be with your grumpy self. I will be in my joy. You be with your grump and you that is your choice.
Kate Northrup:And so that's been, like, good personal development for me to, like, not need to take that on or really, quite frankly, need it to mean anything or, alternatively, responding in real time and being like, you can't talk to me that way, which has also been important for my own personal development because I do not come from a background where I felt like I could just say in real time a boundary. So I'm I've gotten much better about that with you, which is great. And then the best part about being married to you is I mean, I really think it's like the you provide such an incredible grounding energy, like grounding structure and energy in our lives, like that sense of safety and predictability. And, like, you're so consistent and you're so present. And even if you're grumpy about it 20% of the time, the truth is, like, actions speak louder than words and your actions are what's true, not your tone of voice.
Kate Northrup:And, yeah, you really show up, and it's amazing. Mhmm. You show up in all different kinds of ways. And then I would also say your willingness to learn and grow and think outside the box and look at things in a new way, you really don't have much resistance to possibilities of, like, hey. Let's look at this healing modality or, hey.
Kate Northrup:Let's try this astrology thing or, like, hey. Let's go to this workshop or whatever. Like, you're very open, and I think that's rare. It's rare. It's certainly rare amongst some of the people I like, anyway, in our programs, it comes up a lot that women are women are saying, like, my husband is not personal development oriented.
Kate Northrup:He thinks anything about energy is, like, you know, woo woo and stupid or whatever. I'm being extreme. I'm I'm totally exaggerating right now, but it's around, around healing No. I think and really looking at their stuff. And you are are really open, and I love that about you.
Mike Watts:Yeah. I mean, I was talking to our friend James yesterday who was on your podcast recently, Wedmore, and we were talking about, having he has another friend who goes to these men's events, like, I've gone to many times in different. Sacred Sons is one of them. I've gone to local groups here in Miami and just being around a group of men to help heal and grow together. And have a really good friend connection and a good group of guys to talk to.
Mike Watts:And I said, it's just and then having people like his wife in very similar career that you have. Right? And so it's the reverse of what the traditional upbringing has been. Where it's, like, the man makes all the money and the woman is the caretaker or the homemaker. The home wait.
Mike Watts:What's the thing with the homemaker recently? Oh, yeah. That guy did the graduation speech at the at the Catholic, church or whatever. Yeah. To make it good Catholic college.
Mike Watts:Catholic college. So I always like to text Kate and say she's such a good homemaker.
Kate Northrup:Highest purpose is is being a homemaker.
Mike Watts:So funny. But it's, like and I just said, we're no. There's no framework for this. Like, it wasn't a thing where it is now where we're adjusting to what this, kind of, this coming into this new world and realizing we also have some work to do. Right?
Mike Watts:There's also as us as guys to put the work to do the work that we need to, and also feel happy or to feel joy or pride versus, like, trying to battle or fight everything and with anger and testosterone all the time. So what does that look like in our life? And so we have to go find these places and be with other guys to, like, heal this relationship that's here. Yeah. So thanks for that.
Mike Watts:I appreciate for because I also do it for myself. Like, I do it for me, and then I also do it, like, I I love you. I love being with you. That's why I wake up every day with you. And our kids and, like, I like our family dynamic that exists there, so I wanna do the things that help that nurture to grow with it.
Mike Watts:Because I still get angry at my kids, like, at least every day. Multiple times sometimes and just wanna, like, disappear into the oblivion. Hole up in the woods by myself. Yeah. So You should schedule that.
Kate Northrup:Schedule some time to hole up in the woods by yourself. Yeah. Okay. So this question came in. I think it's timely.
Kate Northrup:And a person was asking she is in a dynamic where her husband is sick and has been for a long time, and she is in the role of being the primary breadwinner, and she is wondering how we in her in her particular dynamic, she wanted to know more about, like, how to keep the polarity in a relationship with the masculine and feminine alive or nurture that in her current situation. And she was curious because you've been sick if I had anything to share about that. And I would like to say if that person is listening or anyone who that applies to, I just wanna dig into this with you a little bit. But I do wanna say, like, we're not in that dynamic. I was in a paradigm, and we talked about this back in your episode, the first episode of Plenty back in September 2023.
Kate Northrup:We talked about being in that dynamic where I really was in this paradigm of feeling like a martyr, feeling a lot of resentment, feeling like everything was on my shoulders, and there were some really tough years in there. But I just wanted to celebrate on this 10th anniversary episode that I have exited that particular paradigm, and it's really nice.
Mike Watts:That's true.
Kate Northrup:Like, we are not in that dance anymore. And, may that be, you know, hope, strength, and light for those who are in a paradigm or a dance in their relationship that doesn't feel great, that doesn't feel sexy, that doesn't feel like, we I really was in this place where I felt burdened financially. I felt burdened by having to, like, show up, in our business. I felt like I didn't get to just drop out and take a break. And even though Mike was, dropped out because he was sick, like, it's not like that was your choice.
Kate Northrup:And, so that's, you know, just for the little history on there. And then so it was it was it was cool when her question came in. I am very sorry that this person is experiencing this, because I know how awful that feels. And there was a moment of celebration though of, like, I am not in that place anymore, and that feels really good. And I think we did a lot of things to get out of that place.
Kate Northrup:One of them is a lot of internal healing work that I needed to do because the truth is we can't be in a different external paradigm, in a different dance and relationship without healing whatever pattern is going on inside of us to create our side of that dance. So that was where I started, and a lot of that work is, inside relax money, actually. But then there was some healing work that we needed to do in our dynamic together and healing work that you did personally as well. But can you speak to if you were to give this woman so I, you know, I don't really I I might come back and give, like, some tips or wisdom. But if you were to speak to someone, like, if you were to able be able to not be you, but be, like, a wise external person talking to me 5 years ago, if I was that person asking that question, what might you pass along as a piece of wisdom or suggestion to her in that dynamic where she feels like some resentment and, like, she really wants to have a strong masculine feminine dynamic in her relationship.
Kate Northrup:But because she's the one making the money and he's sick, she doesn't feel like it's it's there right now.
Mike Watts:So the question is?
Kate Northrup:What should she do?
Mike Watts:I don't know.
Kate Northrup:K.
Mike Watts:The reason I I don't wanna so I can give some helpful things, but the thing there's so many layers.
Kate Northrup:So many layers.
Mike Watts:We're hearing it from 1 from this woman that's asking
Kate Northrup:you to percent, but I'm assuming Here's
Mike Watts:let's just let me let me finish. And number 1, you're like, I think when we look back to our life is, like, it's almost like taping a step back and realize, like, what are we doing here? Right? Like, this dynamic. There's gonna be a point in time in all of our lives regardless of where we are.
Mike Watts:It's, like, all of my partner's sick. I'm reading Chris Carr's book right now. She was on the podcast taking care of her dad. Right? And so she was, you could say, taken out of life, quote, unquote, for a period of weeks, probably, or months helping him.
Kate Northrup:Well, in years, if you really think about it.
Mike Watts:Whatever the time frame is. Right? Just insert time frame to your issue because someone in a partnership is going to go through something that is very long, traumatic, and uncomfortable. Yeah. And I think we have to come to a relationship that this could exist.
Mike Watts:Now, when I was really sick, and I don't know what this guy's going through. I have no idea what his situation is. I have no idea if he has a job, that it was laid off, whatever this this situation is. I think to 1st, you have to talk about it. Right?
Mike Watts:Like, we talked about it. We seek help. You have to be open to wanting to help. Do you wanna stay with this person? Like, do you actually like the person you're with?
Mike Watts:I liked you. I assumed you liked me during that time, which is why we stayed together. Right? And we had, we were willing to work on what we were going through and get seek help. And in our case, that was through a therapist to help us.
Mike Watts:It wasn't sexy. Right? There was a loss of polarity that exists because the energetic dynamics are changing. I'm really hesitant around this whole, quote unquote, breadwinner. We've had a lot of conversation around this.
Mike Watts:To really dropping the term. Because, really, it's an energetic exchange that exists. Because there was an option in our relationship when I was really sick, where you also could've stopped working for a period of, probably, 2 years and we would have kept our our lifestyle would have changed a little bit. Like, letting go of certain employees or really minimizing our team to keep what we need to do maintenance wise. And that conversation was on the table, and you chose not to do it.
Mike Watts:So it's almost the stress burden of quote, unquote breadwinning.
Kate Northrup:That's why I said I was in a paradigm.
Mike Watts:Right. So just stay with me. Yeah. I'm gonna explain this whole thing. So it's, like, there is an option where the breadwinning quote that Kate could have been holding on to could have gone away.
Mike Watts:Right? And it's, like, oh, now we're at ease and relaxation and we can both rest. But instead we, like, kept the pushing happening. So I the paradigm for you has definitely changed, like, in the last couple of years. Like, I don't know what's happening over there, but it's fantastic and I love it.
Mike Watts:And I think what's happening is I mean, for me, if I see this and talk to this woman, it's, like, how do we get back to the place of love versus coming out of all this resentment and the discomfort and the like, if your husband is sick, your goal is to love him. Like, that's what we want. That's what guys want. We just wanna be loved. Because we're either pushed by a coach at sports.
Mike Watts:Our dads are yelling at us all the time. We're not there. Right? And so that dynamic doesn't exist. If you're a single mom, probably stress the hell out.
Mike Watts:Like, how do I deal with this kid? We go to school at the age of 10. We're told to sit at desks. So all the energy that boys have 5. Well, it starts there.
Mike Watts:But at 10, like, this whole anyway, Kelly Starrett has done a lot of work on this with movement in boys. Uh-huh. And so we look at this dynamic that exists at such a young age of how active and physical boys are, and then we're telling them to stop. Right? And so this has always there's never been, like, true love shown to a lot of men and we are uncomfortable with even knowing what that is.
Mike Watts:And so I think in a place of, like, how do you open your heart more? And if I think back to our situation, is what's happening now in the past couple of years, you just, like, learn to open your heart more and realize, like, even the skin flare ups I've had in the past couple of years, broken bones, like, all of that stuff with my injury of my leg. You were just like: okay, how do I open this more? To be like: this has to change for us to do it. And but it starts with a conversation.
Mike Watts:That's what I would say between the 2 of them in coming to an agreement. And also setting expectations. Right? It's also like, hey this is what I need from you and this is what I need support with in this dynamic. Because a lot of times I don't know what to do.
Mike Watts:Right? When I was really sick or even now, like, I'll just go inward and shut down in a way and to be like, I don't know how to get help. I don't know what to do. And a lot of times, it comes from you to be like, well, who can you ask for help? It's like just simple questions like that.
Mike Watts:Instead of trying to fix me, you're just reflecting back, which is what a good coach does. Right? It's like a great if you have a good coach or a good therapist, a therapist is literally telling you nothing. If they're really good, they're asking questions to you for an hour and you're answering your own questions and getting your own solution. And as a good coach, that's what you're doing as well.
Mike Watts:You're asking good questions and they are answering, I'm answering, if somebody's talking to me, I'm answering my own problems. And realizing, oh shit, now I gotta do it. A lot of times, not telling what they need to do different. And I think in the relationship, it's so easy and we get so used to it's also great for parenting according to doctor Becky. Right?
Mike Watts:Or presenting options. It's like, here's 2 options and then they can choose what they think. Right? So, I think for us, it was just the ability to actually dive into love. And it's, like, I just read that chapter in Chris's book because I'm in the middle of it, but it's so in
Kate Northrup:I'm not a morning person.
Mike Watts:Yeah. I'm not a morning person, but it's it's like
Kate Northrup:Her episode won't be out by the time this one airs, but
Mike Watts:it's coming. Oh, it's coming. Okay. So but it just talks about how she really had to just kinda let go in this process of her dad passing away, and just fully being present to what's going on.
Kate Northrup:In the way we were in the early days of the pandemic, and we were, like, you know, at home, childcare was closed, trying to run our business, da da da. I reached out to my friend, doctor Shefali, and I said, I'm losing it. Do you have a therapist you could recommend? I I, like, really need help. And she was like, do you have 15 minutes?
Kate Northrup:Let's just hop on FaceTime. I was like, okay. And so she got on FaceTime with me, and she was like I described what was going on. You know? My kids are home.
Kate Northrup:I'm, like, try they're crawling all over me. I'm trying to work. I'm trying to serve our customers. I feel so much pressure. And she was like, Kate, you are making this harder because you are resisting what is.
Kate Northrup:Mhmm. She said you need to just accept the isness of what is happening. And, like, now your children are part of the furniture, and you work in 2 minute increments in between giving them snacks, that now
Mike Watts:Is what it is.
Kate Northrup:And I think what you talked about with, like, the future tripping, I am an optimizer. It's one of my gifts. But I'm always looking around at, like, oh, how could things be better? And that can really pull us out of Yeah. The present moment and that resistance to what is, you know, the the people, whoever they say, what we resist persists.
Kate Northrup:And that resistance to, okay, things are wrong. This isn't how it should be, I think, is is married to also the tendency to think, like, once x y z is fixed, once x y z is over, once I have achieved x y z thing, then I will finally feel whole, complete, joyful, relaxed, da da da da. And one of my ongoing lessons, that I've made a lot of progress on is realizing that, actually, there is no there there, and all we have is, as doctor Shefali says, all we have is the is ness. And so I think that's so true. One of the things, that we can all do regardless of what challenge we're dealing with, whether it's in our marriage or, you know, health or money or whatever, is, like, to fully surrender to what is.
Kate Northrup:And it doesn't mean giving up, and it doesn't mean, we're not going to continue to be on the path of healing and growth and expansion. It doesn't mean we give up all desires or goals, but the pushing against what is really creates a lot of unnecessary suffering. And it it certainly did for me in this dynamic, so I I think that that, that's really helpful. That
Mike Watts:Yeah. I think another way to look at it is, like, we set up these expectations and don't meet the expectations, then we stress about the expectations that we set up for ourselves. So, like, a business launch, if your goal is a $100,000, you're already it's almost we're setting it up for failure. Because if I don't hit a $100,000, then I'm like, oh, I failed. But you might have just done your biggest launch ever at $55,050,000.
Mike Watts:Well, we've really And so then, if you go over a 100,000, you're like, I blew that out of the water. But it's, like, there's so much frustration that comes from expectations, which we just make up. Yeah. And
Kate Northrup:That's why I still have a funny relationship with goal setting in business.
Mike Watts:Yeah. And I think, like, what feels good, like, what feels good and the desire, where that's why business we're getting so much better at data. We can build off of what a, quote, unquote, a launch is gonna be based off data. Like, data doesn't lie. Obviously, you can manipulate data.
Mike Watts:It happens all the time in the business world. We've seen it. Even accounting
Kate Northrup:And also in the in the scientific research world.
Mike Watts:Oh, yeah. All the time. Data. We can we can manipulate it. But let's say you don't manipulate the data and you just look at it.
Mike Watts:Right? There's no emotion attached in there's no emotion attached to attached to 2 +2 equals 4. And so, if you just do your data of what you think has happened, this is what could happen. And then you're, like, okay. Great.
Mike Watts:And so, it's just like you run with that versus playing all the the emotional games that we play with ourselves around it. And I know we're emotional humans so it ties into it. So it's not disconnecting from that. But I feel like, it's like once Mike is better or once this is done or once, as Chris talked about in her book, like, once my cancer's gone, so I'll do all these healing modalities to get rid of it, or once my skin doesn't blow up anymore. Right?
Mike Watts:And or once my this lady you were talking referring to, my husband's not sick, life will be better. And it's, like, well
Kate Northrup:Yeah. I mean, and in her case, she was trying to cultivate a sense of connection and romance in the dynamic as it is. So I really have to say, like, that's a beautiful question to be like, okay. This is, and then how can I work with what is?
Mike Watts:Right.
Kate Northrup:As opposed to being like, oh, it's not I can't have what I want until x y z is true Yeah. Externally.
Mike Watts:I think start because we've there's been a lot of conversations around, and we are not marriage experts. So just so we're staying
Kate Northrup:I'm an expert in how to do our marriage.
Mike Watts:Yes. Correct. That's it. I would say what has helped with Kate and I I've
Kate Northrup:been doing this marriage for 10 years.
Mike Watts:Is we talk about it, and if we realize we're kinda stuck, then we bring in someone else to help. Now, like, what you mentioned too with doctor Strafali, which I have found very helpful in the past couple of years, is if I'm in a a funk, like, even today. This morning, I was in a funk. And Who
Kate Northrup:were you talking to?
Mike Watts:When?
Kate Northrup:This morning. Like, before 7 AM, you were on the phone.
Mike Watts:No. I was listening to a a video.
Kate Northrup:No. You were talking to somebody. You were on the phone. Oh, Deb Kern. Oh, you were talking to Deb.
Mike Watts:Yeah. The woman that married.
Kate Northrup:Oh, yeah. I knew that. Yeah.
Mike Watts:Okay. Okay.
Kate Northrup:So I just was, like, I love that my it's 6:30 AM. Mike's on a call. Don't know who he's talking to.
Mike Watts:But it's just, like, if I'm in a funk, I'll just reach out to I have, like my friends are hilarious. Because I just dial people all day. If I'm in the car, I'll just call people. If I'm walking to and from the office, I'll just call people. And most of the time, nobody answers.
Mike Watts:You know, but there's like 20% of the chance somebody answers the phone. And then we'll just chit chat for 15 minutes, then we move ours move along. And then people are like, oh, I'm so sorry I didn't answer. I'm like, you don't need to apologize. Like, I'm sure you have a life.
Mike Watts:You're not sitting around waiting for Mike. We had no appointment. I'm just calling you.
Kate Northrup:And Mike Mike is one of the only existing humans on the planet who just calls.
Mike Watts:Yeah. I have my He doesn't
Kate Northrup:send a text first to ask. He doesn't make an appointment. He just calls.
Mike Watts:I actually use a phone with minutes.
Kate Northrup:It's like it's it's like it's 1993.
Mike Watts:Yeah. So but I like talking to people, and I just, like, talk I'd be, like, hey. What's up? And I'm, like, dude, I'm in a funk. And we'll deal we'll talk for 10 minutes, then I'll get out of it.
Mike Watts:So it's not about but what I always and I'll tell this woman too and what I've noticed for myself is, like, if I'm complaining to my friends about you
Kate Northrup:That's a problem?
Mike Watts:It's a problem because, really, I'm the problem most of the time. Right? There could be something where you really did something Occasionally, you are the bravest. Occasionally. Or, occasionally, I'm really the bravo.
Mike Watts:Right? So but that's probably, what, 10% of the time something
Kate Northrup:point in our relationship, if I've done something that hurt your feelings or whatever about it. You have already talked to me about it. So you're not complaining about it.
Mike Watts:What what in most dynamics or most situations, we're complaining to someone else about what's going on. And, really, it's, like, time to look inward
Kate Northrup:about what's going on inside of myself. And to be like, okay.
Mike Watts:Why am I grumpy? Or, Or why am I feeling bad about myself? You grumpy? Why am I grumpy?
Kate Northrup:I mean, there's a variety of
Mike Watts:reasons that that could be existing. Yeah. It could be mean, there's a variety of reasons that that could be existing. Yeah. It could be
Kate Northrup:Maybe instead of getting annoyed at you being grumpy, I should just ask you why are you grumpy, but I feel like that would make you grumpier.
Mike Watts:No. I don't think so. That might be helpful. Okay.
Kate Northrup:I'll try it out.
Mike Watts:Just try it out.
Kate Northrup:I'll try it out.
Mike Watts:Yeah. Am I fooling out of grump? Because then we can laugh about it. If we get to laughter faster, the better it is.
Kate Northrup:Mhmm.
Mike Watts:I think a lot of it comes from me not caretaking for myself in the way that I know I should have. So it could be meditation, not eating certain foods, feeling good, if I get miss sleep, if I stay up too late, if I, like, happen to be on my phone for too long in the morning.
Kate Northrup:That makes sense.
Mike Watts:That type of stuff throws off your central nervous system. It throws things out of whack. It takes us the the beauty of life away from self and puts it into some other device, somebody else. And then it causes grumpiness not because I sometimes it's like I know I shouldn't be doing that. And then I do it anyway.
Mike Watts:And other times it just screws you up for the rest of the day. And so then I turn to grumpiness. And then we have children. Kids are, punched in the face for, like, 3 hours in the morning, every morning. It's just, like, it's like a total beat down, you know.
Mike Watts:People give Mike Tyson all this greatness for his knocking out his boxing, which was phenomenal. But, like, that's, like, 3 hours every morning, you know, from the time you wake up to the time they, like, leave school, especially with our second one.
Kate Northrup:She's going through something right now.
Mike Watts:And then you do it again at night because, you know, you didn't have enough in the morning. So bedtime, repeat. So, honey Yep.
Kate Northrup:10 years
Mike Watts:That's why I'm grumpy sometimes.
Kate Northrup:K. And So
Mike Watts:are you, by the way, especially around our kids and bedtime.
Kate Northrup:Well, yes. Because I am I am done, and then Yeah. They keep wanting stuff
Mike Watts:from me.
Kate Northrup:And I'm
Mike Watts:That's this is
Kate Northrup:I'm at that time, I am done. I'm ready to be done with my day. I'm ready to be done parenting. I think grumpiness comes from a disconnect of self, if I was to Disconnecting from yourself.
Mike Watts:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:In a one second. Incredibly insightful. Yeah.
Mike Watts:And,
Kate Northrup:It's like you're a million
Mike Watts:ideas that you'll tell me at 5 o'clock, and then I might feel overwhelmed with the whole situation. Because a lot of that is, like, I feel like I have to do something about it. But I know if I just it goes in one ear and out the other, you're gonna just come up with another idea.
Kate Northrup:Some sort of response.
Mike Watts:No. I know that. No. I don't mean that. I know.
Kate Northrup:No. But just for the record
Mike Watts:I know you've I I
Kate Northrup:know that. Listeners, I let be known that sometimes I say a whole thing, and I'm like, literally does not respond. And I'm like, hello? Did you hear anything I just said? And you're like, I didn't know that required a response.
Kate Northrup:And I would think, well, generally, in a in when you are with another human being, one person says something and the other person responds.
Mike Watts:But I could also repeat what you said back to me, which you've quizzed me on many times. She'll go on these, like, 10 minute dialogues.
Kate Northrup:It no.
Mike Watts:No. And then she's like, what do you think? And I'm like, which part?
Kate Northrup:My problem, I don't I have no concern about you not listening. That's not my concern at all. Mhmm. I know you're listening, and I know you heard me. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:I just think it's kind of bizarre that sometimes you don't respond. It's, like, very odd relating,
Mike Watts:but, anyway I need time to process.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. That's actually true. Yeah. I I would say that's one of
Mike Watts:that's one of a group of women all the time. They're, like, cutting each other off. Conversations are never finished. Like, there's, like, a 1000000 topics going on, and you're, like, back and forth. I like to, like, talk about a topic, move through the topic, finish the topic, and move on to the next one.
Mike Watts:Like, men are very linear around this. Women are, like, all over the place. So you when you were hanging out with me, you can't think you're, like, with a bunch of girlfriends. I think it's so bizarre because I'm with, like, 4 of your girlfriends.
Kate Northrup:Never mistaken you for a group of
Mike Watts:my girlfriends. Why the question is, it's, like, I'm with all your girlfriends, and then we're gonna talk about something. And somebody interrupts somebody else and goes to the next thing, and it's on. I'm like, there's, like, 5 or 6 different conversations happening, and none of them got finished. I was like, it's wild.
Kate Northrup:It's true. Yeah. And we don't care. No. It's not about that.
Kate Northrup:No. I don't hang out with my girlfriends to finish conversations. No. That is not my purpose at all.
Mike Watts:Just coming up with more ideas.
Kate Northrup:What are your best tips for working with your spouse? It's a
Mike Watts:good one.
Kate Northrup:What do you think are the things that make it work in terms of us working together knowing that it this is a constant evolution. This is never, like, a moment stuck in time. This is never, like, oh, we now we nailed it. We're not working on anything.
Mike Watts:Ego?
Kate Northrup:More of it. We each need to have
Mike Watts:more ego. We don't have enough ego. We need to bump up our ego. I'm gonna say 3 things, and then I'll come back. I would say with ego, it's what is the reason each of us are doing this, and then what are our roles in it?
Mike Watts:And
Kate Northrup:Like, what's our why in our business?
Mike Watts:Yeah. Like, what's our mission and vision for each we like, there's so it I would say for us, we have we have parenting, we have Kate herself, Mike her himself, we have our marriage, and then we, like, have our company ties into this as well. Mhmm. Right? So it's like a giant Venn diagram.
Mike Watts:So, like, what is our vision and mission for our whole life? And then everything kinda fits into that.
Kate Northrup:Mhmm.
Mike Watts:And then when it comes to roles in the company, it's let's in our case, right, we go by Kate Northrop, which is you as the human.
Kate Northrup:We go by Kate Northrop.
Mike Watts:That's funny. That's the brand. Yeah. Right? Which is also Hugh as a human, but you're also a brand.
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Mike Watts:Right? But also a human. Tricky. Yeah. It's tricky.
Mike Watts:And so with Mike, when we first started, Mike, myself, was building Mike Watts.
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Mike Watts:Like, I was building my own brand. And then there was a place in the time where, like, you didn't wanna be the face anymore and you were, like, Mike, go do something to make money and that started so I started doing that. But then that hurt the Kate Northrup piece of everything and it caused, like, this tension and resentment that took place in it. And for me, there was an also a piece that I wanted to, like, share the stage, quote, unquote. Like, be up there with you teaching, doing the things.
Mike Watts:And it took me a long time really getting sick a lot to really sit down and, like, let's check yourself right now, buddy. Where are you? Right? And so that is all ego. Right?
Mike Watts:Being on stage, getting seen responsibility, that's all lack of Mike when he's 5. It's, like, I wanna hear my voice and I wanna be loved and I wanna be seen. So I would say those conversations probably need to take place between 2 people if they're working together. And where does that fit? And do you feel good with the role?
Mike Watts:And that's a conversation that happens at least once a year. Yeah. Because that is gonna evolve. It's going to evolve into the new evolution and what that looks like. So I think frequent conversations with that.
Mike Watts:And then in check-in ego of why. Because if, like, Kate, the person that's on stage in our life gets a really big ego and, like, has 4,000 people on a webinar, and then she starts, like, flaunting her shit around our house. And to be, like, I'm too good for this type thing. She doesn't do this. As an example
Kate Northrup:I just have the Beyonce song playing in my head.
Mike Watts:Which one?
Kate Northrup:The got a big ego song. I'm having a whole musical interlude
Mike Watts:Okay. Good. Here. Are you gonna bust out any song?
Kate Northrup:I don't think I know it well enough Okay. To sing it.
Mike Watts:We'll let Beyonce sing it.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. That's a I think that's a good term. Do you think you could put,
Mike Watts:like, a snippet of Beyonce maybe in here for couple seconds? Like, he got a big ego. But then, I think it's also for that person. The the person that's on the stage or getting the quote unquote the fame and being noticed is, like, also what happens with them. Because that also can deter and go downward spiral.
Mike Watts:That can also end a relationship if, like, people are pulling apart from what's going on. Are we building this thing together? Or we're building it parallel and 2 separate? So that's what I tie that's what I would say ego. I don't know if that's right or not but that's what I came with.
Mike Watts:Second thing is meetings and communications. Is, for us, we do money meetings. We have planning meetings. We have, like, meetings about our kids in school. We have big business decisions, financial decisions.
Mike Watts:If we're hiring somebody new, we are having these discussions. We're not talking about business around making dinner, or setting the table, or me unloading and loading the dishwasher, as excellent as I am at it. We're not having these discussions around there. We used to and then realize, like, this is not a good place to do this. Because you got a kid yelling at you about wanting something and then it's like you can't it's not possible.
Mike Watts:Right? So, having dedicated space to have these real conversations. And just like if you had a job, that's what you're doing. You're going to work and you start off I used to have shifts at Philip Morris when I was working there. And we'd have a shift meeting, at the beginning of the shift meeting.
Mike Watts:What do we do with the shift meeting? We're talking about what the shift is gonna look like. What machines are broken down where we are, so we're getting a lay of the land that's there. And we're not, you know, and of course, you're anyway. But those are meetings.
Mike Watts:Right? So that I would say that has been successful. And what's the third one? And make sure you get support. I would say that is the other piece.
Mike Watts:It's, like, the support at home is almost more important than the support in your company.
Kate Northrup:I think it's more important.
Mike Watts:It is more. It depends on the stage of life. Right? If we're married with kids but even if you're not married with kids, also, like, who's helping you make food if you're at the office for 10 hours a day?
Kate Northrup:I don't know.
Mike Watts:Or 12 hours a day. Because running a company is it's a lonely endeavor in many ways. Like, I don't wanna look at it as a negative or think like that, but it is very lonely. Like, it's just you running a business and you're paying people to help you run the business. But, like, nobody cares about your company more than you do.
Mike Watts:So somebody it creates a sense of loneliness that you and so many times that you do feel alone even though you might not be. But you also have to it's like when you're building your team of your business, but also because when I used to consult with business owners all the time, like, who's helping you at home? A lot of these women that I was a lot of these people I was consulting with were women that had children. And they're like, well, I do the cooking and the cleaning and the house cleaning. And it's like all of this.
Mike Watts:I was like, you have to stop that. Like, you don't need a marketer. You need
Kate Northrup:Stop that.
Mike Watts:You need someone. We have to divert some of these funds right now to getting the house care taken care of. Absolutely. Because running a household with children and a partner, it is a it's another full time job. Job.
Kate Northrup:It's a
Mike Watts:full time job.
Kate Northrup:We have a full time we have full time support
Mike Watts:at home Yes.
Kate Northrup:From someone who is full time household manager slash nanny Yeah. And make sure there's dinner on the table. Yeah. Laundry gets done. House is tidy.
Kate Northrup:Plants get taken care of. Children get picked up. All of that stuff. And, yeah. I think that that
Mike Watts:is And I think with the company, it's the same way. It's, like, who can you get support and who is on your team to help you and what are their roles and responsibilities are. And some people are really good at, like, creating systems and operations around it. Other I would say, I'm in the real learning process of that to continually get better. Definitely better now than I was 5 years ago and will continually in about 5 years, we're gonna be, like, dialed in.
Mike Watts:But I do know there's other people that are really really good at that. And would I rather have 6 to 8 people on a team who are really dialed in and passionate about what they're doing or have 20 5. Right? And then you're just kinda I would rather have and get the same amount of results or very similar results. I would rather really nurture and help 6 to 8 people, to do that.
Mike Watts:And so that requires getting really good training that's happening. So that happens at home as well as that happens kinda at the business when you're working together.
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Mike Watts:So that's what I would say to answer your question.
Kate Northrup:I love it. Do you have any questions for me?
Mike Watts:But I'm on your show.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Well It's
Mike Watts:gonna be me.
Kate Northrup:I mean, I have more.
Mike Watts:But What's lighting you up these days?
Kate Northrup:What's lighting me up these days? What are
Mike Watts:you excited about for the future?
Kate Northrup:My future tripper tripper self. I am well, in the short term, I'm really excited to for my summertime. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I'm really looking forward to our week away.
Kate Northrup:I'm really looking forward to hanging with the kids, just having more unstructured time and less stuff on the calendar. I'm, like, in a I'm in a little bit of a sprint right now to get a bunch of stuff off the off my plate so that I can go away fully unplugged for the week with you, which is happening right now while this podcast is live this week, and then also travel with the kids. So I'm ready for some I'm ready for some coast time. And I am I wouldn't say I'm excited about, but I am feeling devoted to finally finishing my book proposal and getting it sold this summer.
Mike Watts:Why are you not excited about it?
Kate Northrup:Because it's hard. It requires me to pull forth a part of myself that is, like, a deeper part of myself. I have to really harness my energy, cut out distractions, and, like, I don't know why this just came to me, but it's like chewing steak. Like, it's like it's like
Mike Watts:Throwing fat.
Kate Northrup:It requires no. Not fat. But it just, like, it requires some energy and attention, and it's super worth it. It is absolutely a good use of my time, but there's stuff that I create that's really easy that I could just it's like it's not that I phone it in. I mean, I bring my full self to it, but it's just, you know, it's, like, at the top of my head.
Kate Northrup:I just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. But, the writing, it's to be honest, many times, it does actually feel easy once I'm actually sitting down and writing. But the moving through the resistance to sit down and actually do that, it always feels like there's something more urgent. It always feels like there's something more important. It always feels like there's something that, like, requires my energy and attention, and I'm just I I wanna give in to those distractions.
Kate Northrup:And so the actual sitting down, there's, like, a there's a transition from where I am right now to, like, getting into the work that is very uncomfortable. And that that in between part, is where my work is to, like, face it every day.
Mike Watts:What would you say are 3 tips that you would say about working with your spouse?
Kate Northrup:Well, some of them are actually coming out in the solo episode this week, later on this week.
Mike Watts:Oh, okay.
Kate Northrup:I did I did 9 Teaser. What's it? 9 lessons from 10 years of marriage. Maybe we could come up with a 10th today.
Mike Watts:Okay.
Kate Northrup:Because I thought it should be 10, but it only written down 8, and then I came up with a bonus while
Mike Watts:Well, you already you're gonna do them in the podcast coming out, so free tips. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:We'll just say we'll just say do
Mike Watts:that. Listen. You'll You'll
Kate Northrup:just listen to the solo episode, and you'll get my tips for working with your spouse.
Mike Watts:Around your book. Yeah. More curious.
Kate Northrup:I mean, I think it's one of those things that, like, the best way to deal with it is just to freaking do it. It's one of those, like, just do it situations because analyzing it, whatever, it's very, like, the art of war, Steven Pressfield. You know, do the work, turning pro. Just, like, put your ass in the chair and do it. Yep.
Kate Northrup:It's uncomfortable. Yep. You're gonna wanna do other things. Just fucking do it. So I think that that's the place I'm at, which is why I was scared when Gus asked me what my deadline was the other day because I was like, I know he's gonna follow-up.
Kate Northrup:So he will, and I will have something to report to him, I hope. Okay. So what's our what's our 10th lesson? You'll get the other 9 later on this week in the solo episode, but what is our 10th lesson from 10 years in business? And this is a trick question because you don't know what the other 9 are.
Kate Northrup:So
Mike Watts:What's our 10th 10th lesson from being
Kate Northrup:married for 10 years? Lesson from being married for 10 years Or your biggest takeaway or joy or
Mike Watts:learning learning how to actually open my heart and love people.
Kate Northrup:Oh, that's beautiful.
Mike Watts:Like, what that is?
Kate Northrup:How to out open your heart.
Mike Watts:Yeah. And, like, define love for myself. Like, what does that look like? Because, like, we hear it all the time. You you know, you you go to a concert and somebody else says, like, I love you guys.
Mike Watts:It's like, you don't know anybody. Like, so what does that look like? Right?
Kate Northrup:I mean, what does that feel like? Or
Mike Watts:what does that feel like? Right? What we we think love is just between one person or what we've No.
Kate Northrup:I mean, I saw Justin Timberlake on Saturday night, and he when he said, like, I really love you guys, it's true. He does.
Mike Watts:Yeah. So, like but a lot of times we associate love with just, like, between 2 people. Mhmm. Right? Or between my children.
Mike Watts:And so how do you open that up for the world?
Kate Northrup:That's beautiful. That was one of my 9. Mhmm.
Mike Watts:I should go my 9 and see if we line up.
Kate Northrup:Any yeah. Any others?
Mike Watts:Okay. Ask me the question again.
Kate Northrup:What is your biggest lesson from 10 years being married? Or your 2nd biggest because you just gave the biggest, which was super beautiful.
Mike Watts:I was open to doing a lot of things that I was unfamiliar with previously. So I don't know how you would categorize that. But just when you when we first went to therapy the first time, that I never I didn't know that existed or what that was. And being open to have real conversations, that's a lesson for me. It's like we can actually have real conversations.
Mike Watts:Because immediately, I go to, like, we're getting divorced. Right? It's like
Kate Northrup:Which is really interesting given that I'm the one who comes from a family of divorce.
Mike Watts:Yeah. But I'm an 8 on the enneagram. So we go from everything's great to
Kate Northrup:Everything's terrible.
Mike Watts:Blowing up in a split second. You go dark fast. Yeah. Fast. Yeah.
Mike Watts:So no. It's just like the programming. Fighting is bad. Having difficult conversations equals bad. Like, it's not it's just real communication, and we're having real communication or avoidance.
Mike Watts:And then avoidance creates the resentment around it.
Kate Northrup:I am really proud of us. I think we've done we've really been following David, our therapist's instructions when he said, like, every week, talk about the hard things
Mike Watts:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:And really get in there and, like, talk about anything you've been withholding, talk about, like and we we've been doing it.
Mike Watts:Yeah. And I'm
Kate Northrup:Not at a scheduled time every week, but we've been doing it in real time. And when it's time needs
Mike Watts:to happen, we come up with it. Right? And we're not yeah. I I think sometimes the scheduled time seems forced. It's, like, Monday night at 7 o'clock, we are gonna talk about our difficult things.
Kate Northrup:Come up with something every week.
Mike Watts:And it's, like, we sit down to talk about our difficult things, and then it's, like,
Kate Northrup:mama, I'm hungry.
Mike Watts:It's like, what?
Kate Northrup:Mama, can I just not go?
Mike Watts:Excuse me. This is my difficult time with Kate's time. Ruby, you're out. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Oh my god.
Mike Watts:I just think it's also, like, I didn't know I needed another lesson in marriage is, like, not using you as my own like, there's an element of, like, we're each other's support system, but you're not my everything, if I if that makes sense to people.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. I find it alarming when somebody says that their spouse is their everything. I'm like Yeah.
Mike Watts:Like, I I gotta get some friends, yo. Like, you gotta get some Why
Kate Northrup:didn't you raise some support?
Mike Watts:Because that's too much pressure. It's too much stress, and it's also not fun for anybody. So if and I think for us, we really gravitated towards this building, I would say, strengthening our polarity in the last couple of years more so than before. Also, my skin wasn't falling off. I mean, right now it is, but in the past,
Kate Northrup:it's brief it's a brief moment, and I would like to also celebrate.
Mike Watts:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:I had a friend who checked in with me. She was like, how you doing with Mike being in a flare right now? And I said, I would really first of all, I'm so sorry you're having a flare, honey, and I wanted I did celebrate because I was, like, I am having a healthy
Mike Watts:You did.
Kate Northrup:Normal, compassionate response You did. For a spouse
Mike Watts:It was very odd the other day.
Kate Northrup:Who is Yes. Feeling sick. And Yeah. That is such a sign of growth Yeah. And such a sign of healing in our relationship that my only feeling is, like, I'm sad for you, and this is hard, but that's it.
Kate Northrup:Mhmm. And so I was feeling sad for you, but I was also really celebrating
Mike Watts:You should.
Kate Northrup:The progress because I was just like Well,
Mike Watts:that helps the heal healing faster.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. And so this time
Mike Watts:was when you came up to me the other day and you, like, put your hands on me and you just prayed on me or whatever you're doing, So sending me love.
Kate Northrup:I was like giving you a healing.
Mike Watts:This is actually really nice.
Kate Northrup:I was I was giving you a a treatment.
Mike Watts:Yeah. I like my treatment.
Kate Northrup:I don't know. My mom growing up, so my mom, like, is trained in Reiki, and she would do Reiki on her patients and stuff. And growing up, she would do Reiki on me and my sister, but she called it giving us a treatment. And I don't even know I'm not trained in Reiki, but, like, that's what I do with the girls if they have a bellyache or they have whatever. I just tell them I'm giving them a treatment, and I just, like Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Use the healing power of my hand. So I figured
Mike Watts:And Penelope does
Kate Northrup:that. Someday, I'll do a Reiki treat, training, but for now, it seems to
Mike Watts:It works. I think so. Penelope came out the other day. Ruby did the same thing.
Kate Northrup:She did some hands on healing?
Mike Watts:Yeah. Ruby, like, caught that I was sick after 4 days. It was pretty funny and also nice. She, like, stared into my soul deep in my eyes and I just stare right back at her and we just had a nice connection moment.
Kate Northrup:Final question. Mhmm. What does it mean to you to what does love actually look like and feel like to you? What have you learned helps you access your heart and love?
Mike Watts:What helps me access love too? Let me let me strategically think about this concept. I think a a lot has to do with seeing that everybody's right and everybody's wrong, and at the same time. Right? It's like, so if I'm listening to some sort of news story, like, that's how they feel.
Mike Watts:They're right and they're wrong. And then they're right and they're right. But it's, like, what is right and wrong when you really get to this place of pure openness. And so, for me, there has been a lot of systems and structures in the world that have harmed people, and that continually happened today. And for me, it's just been helpful to, I think, to get to a place for love for me, it's more of just understanding that it's but it's asking questions, is how I can drop in there faster.
Mike Watts:This is gonna be a weird answer. So if I had if I'm if I say something and somebody has some sort of reaction to it, I just keep asking questions to them to see where they're said instead of me trying to project my own opinion on it. So for me, that's me. I'm able to tap into I don't know if this is love, but this is like, me, it's like, okay. How do I love this person right where they're at?
Mike Watts:And so what is that? It's just like me checking with my heart and more it's getting out of my head. If I was to sum it up, it's getting out of my head and into my body. So how do I do that faster? If I'm if I'm stressing out about it, anxious about it in my head, then I know I'm not in that love place.
Mike Watts:So what does that look like? And at, like, the Joe Dispenza events I've gone to, I felt my heart in ways that I have never felt it. And it's been fantastic. I haven't been able to, at this point, tap into that since I've been at home the same way that I do there. I also think it's because it's a giant human experiment, which is also very fun, and you're just there to do that versus here.
Mike Watts:You're in how do I integrate this into my regular practice? So that is what I would say.
Kate Northrup:Amazing. That's all I got. That's the episode.
Mike Watts:Great. Go to knorthrup.com and sign up for the email list, if you're not already, and subscribe and like this video.
Kate Northrup:Fantastic. Mhmm. That's how you can celebrate our anniversary with us.
Mike Watts:Yeah. That's how you can celebrate. Like no. But I'm really lucky because we're gone right now on this since this is anniversary week, we're on a getaway,
Kate Northrup:the 2 of us.
Mike Watts:And it's gonna be really great.
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Mike Watts:So I'm very excited for that. Parallel timelines. What does that mean?
Kate Northrup:Well, it's just funny because we are clearly not on a getaway. We're recording this
Mike Watts:back then. Comes up, that was the whole we started this where I said
Kate Northrup:said parallel timeline.
Mike Watts:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's gonna be nice.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Happy anniversary.
Mike Watts:A good thing for I would say another tip, so we'll end it, is, like, taking dedicated time for each other. Yes. Is I have so many friends who have kids that are, like, 56, and they've never been away with their spouse on a trip.
Kate Northrup:Well, it's just that some people don't have the option because they don't have somebody to watch
Mike Watts:their kids.
Kate Northrup:But
Mike Watts:But I just wanna say, like, there is a way to make that happen, most likely. An aunt, a neighbor, a friend, a sleepover at a friend's house, whatever that maybe, is probably possible. And so for us, we are very dedicated at, like, once a quarter to find time away.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Even just a night.
Mike Watts:Yeah. Just a night.
Kate Northrup:And then once a year, Mimi takes the kids to camp Mimi.
Mike Watts:Yep.
Kate Northrup:And Yeah. And that's right now.
Mike Watts:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Alright. I love you.
Mike Watts:Love you too. Thanks for having me on your show.
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