Lactation Business Coaching with Annie and Leah






We just finished an hour with Cathy Watson Genna, and our brains are still buzzing. That's how it always goes with Cathy — she has this gift for showing you how everything connects. The web of infant assessment can feel impossibly tangled from the inside, but she helps you see the threads, trace them, and understand why each one pulls on the others. 

One of the things Cathy does so well is remind you how much you've actually learned — and how much there still is to learn. Both of us are coming up on recertification this year (yes, already — we found an old episode in our archive of us talking about our first recertification and the time warp is real), and we're both still chasing CERPs and CEUs with zero signs of stopping.

This aftershow is us, Annie and Leah, processing what sparked for us and what we're taking back into the treatment room.

"It's hard to figure out what's going wrong if you don't know what's going right." 


In this episode we talk about:
  • Learning through touch (3:21)
  • Finding healthy baselines (7:40)
  • The importance of staying flexible in assessments (13:16)
  • Tools for oral function (15:15)

Each month we host a live Deeper Dive so you can connect with us, our special guests, and each other + get lifetime access to the recording!

Our next Deeper Dive is on working with Type A clients — and yes, if you practice in an urban or professional community, this is basically your entire caseload. We cannot wait. 


Links and Resources

Infant Assessment Tools Annie Uses

Craniosacral Therapy Training

IBCLC Recertification

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Leah Jolly is a private practice IBCLC with Bay Area Breastfeeding in Houston, Texas.


Annie Frisbie is a private practice IBCLC serving Queens and Brooklyn in New York City and the creator of the Lactation Consultant Private Practice Toolkit.



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What is Lactation Business Coaching with Annie and Leah?

The smart way to create a compassionate and professional lactation private practice, hosted by private practice IBCLCs Annie Frisbie and Leah Jolly.

Leah Jolly is a private practice IBCLC with Bay Area Breastfeeding in Houston, Texas.

Annie Frisbie is a private practice IBCLC serving Queens and Brooklyn in New York City and the creator of the Lactation Consultant Private Practice Toolkit.

Tune in each week to learn all the ins and outs of running a successful private practice lactation business!

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Annie
Well, hey there, Leah.

Leah
Hey there, Annie. How are you?

Annie
I am great. We just finished talking to Cathy Genna about infant assessment, and our brains are still buzzing. We have, like, so many more things we want to talk about related to that, like, adjust every.. the conversation just really sparked so much in my brain.

Leah
Yeah, it always does. I was like, literally just telling you, like, I had to write stuff down because the thing I love so much about Cathy is she like ties things together so well, like things that you might not be seeing the connections, and she can like explain, like this connected to this, and like how it all influences this, and I don't know the web of it. She's like so good showing us the web of all these different pieces and how they're connecting, and just helping us gain more and more discernment about the infant assessment piece, which is like I think you know one of the more challenging pieces, because it is such a web, and we have to like untangle all these pieces and decide kind of like guidance from what we're figuring out, you know, and I feel like that's an area where I'm like constantly growing, you know.

Annie
Totally same.

Leah
Yeah. And I think she, she was able to really show us a lot. I felt like in just the short amount of time we had together, I was just like, whoa, there was so much that she kind of explained and uncovered. So I can't wait for everybody to get to listen to that recording, it's, it's gonna be awesome, but when you started out, like, I feel like this is a common experience, is like it is really intimidating to figure out how to assess a baby as you look at your, of, you know, how you've evolved over the years, like, what are some of the ways that you kind of learned to trust what you were, you know, feeling or seeing, and you know, is there anything that you're like, man, I wish I had kind of put this piece or that piece together sooner. Think we're always best, you know, when we're looking back, we're like, ah, this and that, but I'm just so curious, like, how have you evolved?

Annie
I mean, I love continuing education, and I'll just learn from anybody that wants to teach me anything about anything, really. So, I've kind of like cobbled together my approach from all the different trainings that I've done, but it's so funny because we were talking a little bit with Kathy after we ended the deeper dive about just like health ailments, and I was talking to her about, like, I've been having, like, I have poor vision generally, like I wear, I've worn contact since I was 10, I have like super thick glasses that make me motion sick if I try to walk around wearing glasses, and then I need reading glasses, and all the things, but my vision has been causing me some trouble in recent years, just things being dimmer, less focused, having trouble seeing things, and where I have remembered that when I first learned how to assess the baby, it was through touch more than it was through vision, through looking and doing some of the way Kathy was describing how she does oral assessment on a baby, holding the baby, feeling around the baby's mouth, doing the sweep. I learned all of those things from her, and then I added in visual stuff like looking under the tongue, and all the things I learned from various different trainings that I've done, but what's been so interesting is that I have, with the vision problems, I've had to rely a lot more back to my hands and what I'm feeling, but now I'm bringing more knowledge about what it's supposed to look like what I'm seeing, what I'm feeling into that, so it's there's a lot to that I feel like I, the more I get training on and learn about, I'm like these are all things that I feel like I've intuitively sensed about babies, but now I have vocabulary for it, I have a deeper understanding for it. I signed up for the Beams CST Foundations class, which I'm surrounded a couple of weeks. So, in New York State, I'm not - we're not having a license to touch, so I can't like be a craniosacral therapist, but I want to learn how it all works and learn things that I can teach families, and also total tangent, well, to put this in the show notes, we'll put a gift article in the show notes. The New York Times did this article last week about research into the third circulatory system. So, did you hear about this? Yeah, amazing. So, like, you have your blood. And you have your lymph, but then they're talking about the interstitial fluid between your skin and your fascia.

Leah
There's movement there.

Annie