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Mind of mush, burying trauma, Alana’s
a horrible person,
she's the most same one.
Hello all you film lovers,
casual theater goers, at home
movie watchers and streaming
scrollers out there.
You're listening to Film Curious,
the podcast that invites you
to let your intrigue guide you and explore
great films across genres and time.
At least, that's what I'll be doing.
I'm Ashley Bernhardt, and this episode
I'm joined again by my good friend
Pete Tedone to dive
into a new theatrical release from A24.
The Drama.
And this is kind of part
two of our conversation.
It's not necessary
before listening to this episode
to listen to the previous one,
but if you hear us mention Project Hail
Mary in this episode, it's
because we recorded one
right after another.
That's why two films on
totally opposite ends of the spectrum
come up in both episodes.
The Drama is written and directed
by Norwegian filmmaker Kristoffer Borgli.
You may have caught one of his more
recent previous works, Dream Scenario,
a quirky, surreal story
starring Nicolas Cage
and similarly in his latest work,
the concept itself may be less surreal,
but the heightened emotions
certainly drive plot points
and set the stage
for a deeper cultural discussion.
The film stars Zendaya and Robert
Pattinson, a happily engaged couple
who is put to the test
when an unanticipated
turn sends their wedding off the rails.
Before getting into our deep dive,
I do want to acknowledge
the inciting plot point
does open the door for a heavy topic.
We try to handle it
mainly in the context of the story,
but with this sort of topic,
it's impossible
not to talk about personal feelings
the plot brings up and how it relates
to the real world, which I would argue
is one of the points of this film.
All this to say, this is a spoiler
discussion as it wouldn't do
the film or subject matter justice
if we weren't to get into the details.
So join us as we indulge in the drama
so the drama, the conversation
that it leads to, that you can
I mean, we'll see how long
we can talk about the drama,
but I think it is something
that we could go on for a while about.
I think it does a good job
of posing questions
about, humans and how good we really are.
Depending on.
Is it the actions we take?
Is it the thoughts we have?
How far, you know?
Do you have to go
before then? You're not good.
This is
again, this is like a very hard movie
to have a conversation about
without getting into the spoiler of it.
Yeah, yeah,
you have to just because. Yeah.
So it's just a full spoiler
warning on this one, and it comes up
relatively early in the film, too.
Like you can. Yeah. Kind of.
It's the.
Marketing has made this a spoiler.
The film doesn't. Right.
You know the beginning.
It's it's the inciting incident
for the rest of the show.
But yeah, the.
And I think that's actually.
Where a lot of I've heard
a lot of people feel like, well,
I was sort of, you know, deceived
into this corner and sucker punched.
I get it.
If you were going for the funny rom
com movie, you did not get that or that.
Well, actually, I argue that you did.
I think it is darkly comedic.
In a. Lot of scenes.
I'll be honest, I was laughing.
Yeah, there was the question of time.
Was there?
It was from like, the absurdity of,
you know,
Pattinson's Charlie's visions of.
Zendaya or, the character.
That she plays of, of her,
imaginations of
of putting on this, this mass shooting.
Yeah, I guess let's let's.
Set it up right. Like, just in. Case.
Someone is unaware. In the film.
We have, you know, Charlie and Emma
who is, you know, patents and and Zendaya,
and they are getting ready
for their wedding and one of the,
you know, first, like 15 minutes or so
I would say they're doing a wine tasting,
you know, getting ready for the wedding
with their bride of honor.
Sorry, maid of honor and best man.
And they get into a thing
of telling each other
stories of or a story of the worst thing
they ever did.
Which I want to say.
And I think this is very important.
And these are the little.
Details
that, like, everyone is fixating on this,
the bigger thing, which I get why,
but it's. It's a
the. Delivery
system of it
that I think a lot of people are missing.
Or just.
Overlooking because of the larger, issue
that comes up a lot of times.
Character of Rachel,
that's the maid of honor.
She, outwardly, without.
Any prompting.
Shares her husband's
worst thing that he ever did, that
he told to her in secret.
Like a year or two years ago.
And she just blurts it out. It
essentially.
Blows up.
It just like, says it like,
or says enough that he then has to.
Explain because.
She says this.
And you imagine. It the worse, right?
You imagine imagines much worse. Yeah.
So that then kicks.
Off everyone sharing their their story
and just to to
just to recap what the stories were.
Mike the the best
man, best friend of patents is Charlie.
He and his girlfriend, who he didn't,
wasn't not getting along with at
the time, were walking home.
A stray dog came and sort of attacked
them, and he used her as a human shield.
Then the, you know, his wife,
the maid of honor, Rachel Lanham,
tells her story.
And her story is that she took, in her
words, a slow kid.
And in the in the woods,
put him in a closet.
Locked him and left him there running away
because he started screaming.
So she was she panicked,
and she ran away and doesn't tell anybody.
Even when people ask her where this kid is
and they don't find him
till, like, the next morning.
The next morning in this trailer.
Yeah, that's locked. In a. Closet.
He's not even all day.
I'm assuming he probably, you know,
lost bodily function at some point.
Right. And that was that was hers.
Pattinson's was I cyberbullied.
Somebody. And they moved.
But in the way that he says it,
they said, sounds like they just moved.
And it was at the same time
when this happened.
And he was like, I actually don't know
if it was because of.
Me, because. Of me.
But but again, we have the.
Details of his bullying are pretty vague.
They're very vague.
We don't we don't.
Much at all saying, yeah, that I'll say
I think it's because he really.
Didn't have anything to. Say.
During the scene. You can.
See that Emma Zendaya is very hesitant
for her turn in this roundtable.
And her reveal is.
I planned a school shooting.
It didn't go with it,
but I had planned it.
And then she is grilled
by pretty much everyone at the table,
specifically Alana Harms, Rachel
well, like, what do you mean?
Like how, you know?
And she took it as far as had
a gun, had a plan and then didn't do it.
And we find out why she didn't do it
later.
And, every one of the.
Patents and.
He at first like he's shocked,
but he isn't like, are you insane?
Do you love him like that?
Whereas, Rachel and Mike, they don't.
Mike is a is.
Sort of like he's reacting to it.
Heavily, but a lot of James.
Characters really like
perked up on this one. Yeah.
And and she shares that, you know,
she had a cousin
who was paralyzed
from a school shooting and everything.
And then.
Okay, so and then that's where the film.
Goes, like, it's about these people,
specifically Claire,
Charlie and Emma and
trying to get married within, you know,
six days later, five days later.
And how do you deal with learning
that the person that you're about to marry
when they were 14.
15, was
moments away or, you know, a half.
A day away from,
from committing this. Act,
which is, again, the film is, is giving.
You other information that you're supposed
to carry with it because.
When patents and tells his.
Cyberbullying story.
It gets washed over.
By, well. When you're 14, your.
Brain is mush.
You don't have an adult brain
till you're like 25.
But at 15.
Everyone is expecting Emma's character
to be cognizant
and understanding of everything.
And you know, that
suddenly doesn't have a brain.
Is mush.
Only one year
older than Pattinson's character.
And that's and that's where the film goes.
Essentially,
everyone loses their fucking mind.
Really, everyone.
Within within earshot of.
This loses their fucking. Mind.
Except me. Anybody.
It touches me right?
Yeah.
Mike is the only one who I feel like
he's like, you know what?
It's fucked up the best man. Yeah, but.
Okay, you know, I get it.
It's fucked up.
You know, I maybe I wouldn't
marry this person,
but he doesn't seem like.
This is the worst
human being I've ever met.
Like he's the only one who kind of seems
to take it in and sort of understand it.
And I think it has to do a lot with.
He comes from a background
that he probably way more understands
than the two other white people
who are in this conversation about,
you know, getting through high school
and everything that that can entail.
And the bullying and the
the singling out and everything like that.
What was your take on this? I had a lot of
empathy for Emma's character.
Right. Like, I'm not.
Saying it's a good thing
that she plotted out this, that she.
Had these thoughts,
but I think I having witnessed
I haven't that I was never, badly
bullied in high school,
but having witnessed
some people that were badly bullied
and trying to kind of like,
hey, cut that out, that's
not a cool thing to do to this person.
I always had
in the back of my mind of like,
this is how school shooters are born.
Kind of sort of like not being included,
being relentlessly bullied
and harassed every day.
So yeah, like my my point on
this is like,
yeah, she she's been through a dark time.
Maybe she had a really dark time.
And honestly,
then she turns to anti-gun activism.
So like.
Now. She could be like, I feel so guilty.
Or I'm trying to show that I don't have
these thoughts still or something.
I feel like.
I think. That, but I also think
that she found a way that she could
make friends.
Yeah, well,
I mean, that was just the opportunity.
Yeah, the opportunity presents itself.
So again, like you have to give.
Like, can't
I guess like we have to give more context.
Right.
So patents and questions like well what
what happened that you didn't like.
What you know,
what was it that made you decide not to.
And she kind of didn't decide not to.
You know, she does ultimately because
she could have still made the choice and.
Said. I'm going to follow this up.
But essentially the night
before she was going.
To do the shooting,
and this is the dark comedy. Part,
she's making the.
You know, the the recording
that she'll then put online, you know,
for people to see after she does this act.
And the first time the camera stops midway
because there's a mandatory update
for the software for the camera,
which is which is pretty fucking funny.
And then she restarts.
It again and her computer
actually goes to a blue screen of death,
windows, which you can assume is because
there was an update that was broken
because the update got pushed to a camera.
So it's it's
kind of funny when you see it happen.
But then even more
so the next day at school,
there's another shooting,
not at the school, but at the mall.
And for whatever reason,
during this school
shooting or during this daytime shooting
or whenever it may have happened,
they lose one of their classmates,
he gets killed.
And through the trauma of that moment,
the person who was her bully,
or one of
her bullies, really,
like, breaks down and embraces her.
And they have they share this moment
and they come together,
and she comes together
with the two of the classmates that
never really, you know, paid her any mind
and or bullied her before.
And they all become like,
you know, a gun activist,
you know, anti-gun activist group.
And she becomes the speaker because.
People actually do say.
Like, you seem like, you know what
you're doing when you're when you're.
Talking, which is funny because.
She barely talks.
But she had information on.
Oh, well, female shooters, do,
you know, have committed mass shootings.
And I also thought that was funny of like,
oh, here's a way to put.
This in here, because,
you know, there's a bunch of people
probably like questioning viewers
of the audience going, yeah, I don't know
what a female shooter really, you know?
So it kind of does cover that.
You know, if the the audience is skeptical
of this, did you telling the audience.
Were you aware of the song?
I don't like Mondays.
Have you ever heard that song?
She refers. To it.
I just I had.
I'll tell you.
I know that song, girl.
I used to date way back when I was young.
She loved that song.
Like, I distinctly remember her
buying that, a cassette of that tape.
Like in a thrift store.
And she played that song
over and over again.
What are you trying to tell us?
I you know, I know,
I remember that, you know what?
I'm not going to say that.
So that's a bad joke. That's not.
The thing is, I'll tell you right now
that this person also, I guarantee.
You that they listen to that song
and they interpreted something different.
One of the one of the best examples.
Of this I can give you is
everyone knows the the painting,
the scream, you know, the handsome face.
There was once
a joke in The Simpsons
about that painting.
And she got very upset.
And I was like, what?
What is the problem? I'm like,
why are you.
So it's like that painting. It shouldn't.
You can't
you shouldn't, like, make jokes about it.
That painting is about a man's.
Reaction to the Holocaust.
And that painting was like from the 1800s.
That was pretty old.
So I'm like, what?
No, it literally cannot be about that
because it was painted
50 fucking years before it happened.
So for all I know,
she thought that it was just a person
who just really didn't
like working on Mondays.
I really don't know. Anyways,
you did you think that it was.
I guess,
I guess the big the big thing is,
is it excusing that she considered this,
or is it
trying to.
I think the movie is trying to let.
People understand how someone can.
Get to that point.
And actually,
I thought the best parts of the film were
that the.
Younger actress, I, yeah, go.
Oh, no, no, no, that's not her.
Jordan. Correct. Okay.
They just have released this actress here,
which is a weird thing to have.
Yeah, I think that's why I.
I meant to write down her name
because I did enjoy her performance, and.
Yeah, but, yeah, I don't know why
they have her listed so far down.
To be honest.
I thought that the stuff with her was.
My favorite part of the film
because, seeing her, you know,
work herself up into this, to this.
Level. Of.
What I'm.
Yeah, this character that she's playing.
And then having.
The, you know, it come undone,
I thought
was fascinating to kind of watch.
And it's
I don't think it's excusing
or anything like that.
I think it's just trying to
bring
a. Little bit of understanding, like.
One of the.
I know Marilyn.
Manson is not like a
great person or anything,
but he did have an incredible reaction.
Quote, once, because when.
Columbine happened,
because those two kids
listened to Marilyn Manson.
Of course, you know, I guess what side
of the political spectrum white people.
Were like, well, that's what did it.
It was this music.
And he was being interviewed.
Maybe this was in, bowling for Columbine,
actually,
he was being interviewed,
and he said someone asked him,
what would you say to those kids
if you could talk to them?
Like, right now, you know, they're
the ones who did who did the shooting?
He said, I wouldn't
say anything. I'd.
I'd ask them questions.
Or like, I wouldn't say anything.
I would listen.
Because that's what they need,
you know, they need.
Yeah.
I think this does bring a light to,
not a.
Yeah.
No, we can't condone what hurt
she was planning out.
No, not at all. Of course. Not.
No, of course not.
But it does bring up something
interesting.
So I had read recently and I should.
I should find the journalist
who, interviews,
shooters
who, you know, haven't committed suicide
or didn't,
you know, get put down by the police, sir,
who are alive
and in prison for a mass shooting?
And I think she said
she heard her question to,
you know, every one of them was, was there
anything that could have stopped you?
And most
of them
are like, anything could have stopped me.
It would have taken one moment, to
to not go through with it.
So, I mean, that was kind of what,
character happened.
I mean, yeah, she was derailed by another
shooting, buddy, but it's all it took.
It proved point that it. Yeah. Like these.
Yeah.
We're not dealing with for the most part.
And you can't
we can't put a blanket over all shooters.
But, like, we're not dealing with monsters
here.
We're dealing, with a human transfusion.
Kids.
Yeah,
that needs somebody to just needs that.
Hey, you're a human.
I'm talking to you.
You're accepted.
I, you know, so.
No, it is. Yeah, it is.
That's. Yeah.
I mean, that's deterrents like.
Society has deterrents
in place for a lot of things.
Buying a gun is not there in this country.
And that's
why it's such a uniquely American problem.
You know it's just it's not a deterrent.
It's so easy to do.
Why not?
Why wouldn't I do that if I can't?
If I'm angry enough and I, you know,
I was bullied, in high school
for a couple of years.
There was, like, this weird couple, just,
like two year portion where I fell out
of favor with some friends of mine,
and I was sort of on my own for a while.
And, I mean, I'll be honest,
it wasn't until
this is a weird thing
to admit that it wasn't
until I was able to, you know,
deliver some violence
onto somebody that it stopped.
That was how it worked.
It was like,
oh, don't fuck around anymore.
And that that was that was how it worked.
Not proud of it.
You know, it's
not something that like, Guy would say is
the only it's not the only answer.
It's probably not the answer
to it. It just happened.
And that shaped the way that for a long.
Time.
I dealt with anyone
who stepped out of line with me.
I would just, you know, I was large.
I'm big enough guy that I can physically,
you know, tell someone who's talking
too much to shut the fuck up and,
you know, and and back it up if I need to.
And I did that for a long time.
It took a while to.
Get out of that because it was easy.
And people respond to.
It and people responded to. It
immediately.
So, you know, when I,
when I watched this movie, I.
Understood
what could push somebody to that
to that point.
Because it's a failure
of of things around her.
Right? Yeah.
I mean. Like,
they're responsible for their. Actions.
There is a responsibility on her parents.
You know,
responsibility of the gun being out.
Maybe she's not being,
you know, interacted with her parents
or family enough.
You know, are.
Her parents shown as a child at all? No.
No, I.
Think that's very, very,
very much on purpose.
Has a long leash of.
Yes. There's no supervision.
It seems going on.
Her father works, like, all day.
I think he was. He was what?
He was a he was a cop.
Or he was in. The military or something.
Yeah.
So he's not home at all.
So she seems very much on her.
Own for the majority
of every of every scene.
It's not even like voices
in the background.
Yeah.
So I think.
That that's again, like the isolation
and the not having others
to help you out of this mental fog.
It it can and it does
when you have access. To.
Those types of implements
of, of violence.
It'll cascade.
And even more so when you're,
when you grow up where that is common.
It's not like, you know,
she was doing something that, oh,
no one's ever done this before.
She was planning something
that she had already read and seen dozens.
Of people do every year.
So you know that when you see violence
or you see suicide,
I think it like increases
the people who see it to maybe commit
these sorts of things.
Like we we know that exposure
to a certain amount of it
can, at least for suicide,
can contribute, To other.
How do you think the film,
how do you think
then the characters in the film, though?
Every
okay.
Everyone else comes off as fucking insane.
This, that that's
the thing is like the end of the movie.
I'm like,
the Alana Ames character is the worst
person on earth, is one of the worst.
People on earth.
She's pretty terrible. Yeah.
She fucking she could have killed
if it wasn't for dumb luck.
Which is exactly what stopped the Emma
character from doing what she did.
If it wasn't for dumb luck, it's
that kid being found. Him.
She would have led to his death
because she couldn't just own up to the.
Parents.
And felt so comfortable
enough to speak to any of the parents
about what she had done.
It's very much in line.
But the righteousness
that she has, it was, I don't know is
it's, I wonder
did the movie want me
to fucking hate that character
because my goodness
did I hate that character.
Yeah I do think,
I do think they wanted you to hate her.
Okay.
Do you think that Alana,
was definitely playing that the the bitch?
I mean, she was just in all of her
even mannerisms.
You know,
I think it was, Yeah. Purposeful.
Yeah.
I don't like her,
but I, I like to say with this movie is
all of them actually committed?
Awful.
Like, did awful things.
Like, the worst thing is Zendaya.
Emma is the only one who it it's
the worst thing I never did,
right. Yeah.
Like oh actually didn't impact anyone
any ultimately.
And maybe.
Benefited the people around her
because she
then turns to activism like not again.
It could be that she the guilt she feels
or that she still has these impulses
and this is her covering it up.
But at.
The same time, it doesn't matter
because, you know, and that's also,
I think a little bit about
the movie is like
when we find out a piece of information
about somebody, even if it's just
their thought, you know, does it
how does it impact the rest of us
or how do we react to it?
Right. Yeah.
And it's like she never did this action,
but because of what
the action is
and what it could have done, it makes.
Everybody think that she's way.
Worse and while these people are terrible.
They really are.
You know, like,
I don't like, like most of the characters.
I don't like their interactions.
I don't like their reactions.
I don't like I even find.
When Charlie, has.
An interaction with his coworker,
Which hurt.
What? Oh,
let me look up the name of this guy.
Yeah.
Hayley Goetz plays her.
That was is it me?
Sure. But, yeah, she had.
Kind of a weird reaction as well,
but it's a little bit more normal.
But then it gets weird.
Do you think it's normal to be like,
hey, I'm telling you, this scenario
where someone.
They were 14 had, had these thoughts.
And they almost did this.
And call the cops.
Call the cops, call them.
What the fuck are we talking about?
Call the. Cops. Okay,
this is why you're going to. This is my.
What a huge sticking point. Yes.
Yeah. Like, what are you. Are you insane?
Well, I want to call the cops, okay?
If one person says it, I go, okay.
Little strange, you know? Like,
what do you mean?
Call the cops? It's
something she never did.
There's no evidence of was 15 years ago.
Like we talking about here? When?
When two people say it,
I'm kind of like. What?
What did it like, say
this, I don't know.
I don't know if this is because, like,
this is the film maker
and he is Norwegian.
Christopher Bigley.
Yeah. Yeah.
But like, I don't know, maybe.
Can you, like, in Norway,
can you like, post
call the police about things like I don't
I didn't find it, I did
I maybe they do take like tips
about mentally unstable
people who might be aggressive.
So don't know.
That I get but like.
But you know it's not anymore.
Yeah like or shit.
But I don't. Think so
I don't know I don't know, but yeah I.
Don't know what the film has for
that or people had that reaction.
The film has like I think more than.
Enough chances.
To to show.
You she's still on the edge.
And like yelling at somebody
who almost hit you in a.
Crosswalk
because they're going through a red light
to me is not like, well, this person
is clearly going to murder some like I.
Don't that I know, but but I like
but I like the way it's used
because we are seeing it from.
Charlie's head.
Which Charlie's mind is cracked
and and it's it's cause.
You read in all
the time it seems though it I mean, it's.
Yeah.
From the first introduction
of when They meet, he's a little.
He's an anxiety ridden.
Person
and a little bit all over the place, so.
Yeah. And actually, I like.
So how Charlie is, he's a victim
of his own advice because he doesn't take.
His own advice.
Because he says to Emma, you know, hey,
if you ever talk to, like, you know,
have you ever talked to anybody about this
like you've,
you've been holding this end
for for this long?
You've never discussed it with anybody.
You know, clearly for some good reasons
because of the reaction that you get.
But like you talk to a psychiatrist,
something Because you
you can't this trauma will eat you alive.
And then he has no one that he feels like
he can talk.
To about.
It because, on the one occasion
when he does, which is.
With Hayley.
It's like,
oh, she sounds like a psychopath.
And he doesn't believe that, like,
he really doesn't believe that.
And then he he reacts like a psychopath.
Yeah, that's the.
Thing is, because he's just looking for
someone else to be like, no, she's not.
Fucking insane.
But he runs into, like, the three.
Wrong people to ask about it, you. Know?
And when you're in a situation like that
and you're looking for support of like,
and it's
I shouldn't that this isn't a big
this isn't a big deal.
Like as big
a deal is as I as I want it to be. Right.
It takes a lot of emotional.
Energy to ask one person to be like.
Am I fucking crazy?
Or is
or is this not
maybe not that big of a deal
because everyone else
seems to be acting like that.
And when that person is like,
no, no, no, that person
out of the person is not like,
you should call the cops.
You don't want to.
Even have that conversation again.
And he doesn't like you.
He does it in the right situation.
Charlie, Emma and like her father
or someone and this and like
a psychiatrist should have all sat down
and been like, hey, this is what happens.
Yeah, you all should. Know about. This,
you know, and let's
see what we can,
you know, do I just feel like again, like.
Conversating
I feel would have been the way that the.
Solutions. Approach you. Yeah.
Yeah yeah. Like the, the.
The craziness that ensues or the drama
that ensues.
I mean, so what did you take as, I mean,
I think we, we get shots with the editing
of what Charlie is imagining.
I could not have done be doing,
I think the.
Montage where he can not see the young,
her being with the young, her,
the the when the shooter is.
Kind of.
It is dark, but hilarious.
I made that montage, so. Cracks me up.
And then you kind of are like,
he's looking.
He's looking through the book.
Of when he gets the the.
I guess, like the high fashion.
Of the women
with the guns and the rifles and,
he because it's shots.
I mean, yeah.
There's a large portion of the.
Country where that's fetishized. Yeah,
yeah.
But so we're getting all of these quick
kind of edits of what he could be
imagining.
There's a one.
There's one quick one where it's like,
I think that's it is reality.
Where he talks to Mike
about calling off the wedding.
I think it might be afterwards
or the day afterwards.
No, that's in his head.
No, that is in his head.
That's in his head.
Like Mike.
Mike saying like,
get out of the fucking country.
And like, I'll, I mean, no,
that's that's in Charlie's head.
I and I think that actually now
thinking back on it,
if he would have actually spoken to Mike,
I think it would. Have been that. Bad.
Nope. Mike would have been like,
no, no, no, no, let's sit down.
This is this is upsetting.
And, you know, and even I was like,
hey, this is that's really fucked.
But like, I thought about it
and, you know, it was both.
I really think Mike would have been
the one to bring him down, but
he doesn't feel like he can talk to him
because of.
Yeah, Rachel's.
And also. Jessica's. Or.
Yeah.
Like the whole situation
is probably just so uncomfortable.
You know, you don't want to
you don't want to embarrass yourself.
To a friend
when you're looking for support.
And in his mind, right
then he wasn't going to get it.
So he backs away from it.
So it's another example of like
if someone felt comfortable.
Reaching out for support
and thinking that they would receive it,
it would save them a shitload of trauma.
Right.
And or, you know, three of the,
you know, our two main characters.
Suffer from that where.
They don't.
Feel comfortable enough to entrust
what they're thinking to somebody else.
And be open. And
and that's what leads to it.
And then the one person that he does it
go well.
And, you know.
And that really breaks him.
For sure. And then.
Yeah, and then I we aren't.
Do you I mean, from what I saw,
we are getting some, perspectives
that are from Emma's,
what she wants to happen or what
she needs from him,
which I think were really great.
You know, like, when he comes back
into the apartment after the awful
night of the the reveal, and she wants
she clearly she needs him to love her
to accept her,
to be okay with her past or,
you know, again,
it's like I, I feel for the girl
because is being bullied and a 14 year old
and no connection.
So but we went all over all that
but so yeah.
And you get these moments of Emma
and when she wants
what she wants is just like love.
Basically from Charlie when we get her.
Her instances, of what she imagines
that she wants to happen.
So I found that really that was,
I think, the the editing,
the use of the editing and of what
the people are imagining in their heads,
versus and
and it would just be so simple of.
Right,
you know, like just communicating it like.
But again.
As simple as that's. Being. Human.
Is that right? Yeah. Like that's our.
That's our the hardest thing that we have
and all we have above
like all of your animals.
Is our ability to communicate,
but we still can communicate very well.
Yeah.
And so I know,
I mean, I would like to watch it again
to, kind of do so many quick edits.
There's so many, you know,
just this imagining of what could happen,
like even patterns and imagining that.
She slaughtered the entire wedding
guests and.
The party, and that's, you know, I.
MRNA was about. Half.
So when I was it was a smaller theater.
But it's about Hessel.
That, that that.
Shot noise with that
DJ setting up his equipment
made a like half the theater gasp.
They thought like it. Was it happening?
Yeah. They were like, oh my future.
Yeah, yeah.
They they 100% like, oh,
you know, you heard that from people.
Which is.
Another good example,
you know, again, of the film really.
Playing, I mean, and maybe.
The thing,
maybe it plays all the angles too much.
Maybe, Zendaya like.
Hey, we saw you think we saw
you smoked heroin in the street.
Therefore,
you cannot be part of our wedding.
You should be.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
It's like, oh, yeah.
But that's a comment
that was also a reaction
to because her initial reaction to
it was whatever.
She's she's.
DJ like
if she smokes like they both were kind of,
if you. Know what I thought.
She was like in the beginning,
that conversation
that they're having with each other
about it, that they saw her,
I thought she was more kind of.
Mellow about it, where.
She was like, no, she was she.
Was really her.
No. I thought she was the one
who wanted to then like go.
And he was like, I don't think so.
I think she was the one
that wanted something to happen.
And then his. Friends were pushing.
I remember the opening, I don't remember.
Yeah, I think, I think that's what happen
is that.
Yeah, he he caught it.
He saw Charlie out on the street.
I was like, look, I think that's our DJ.
But then like when they're discussing it
at the table, it seemed that Rachel and.
Mike were both encouraging them
to fire her.
And the DJ
and Emma and Charlie were like,
I don't really know
if we need to fire her.
And I thought Emma was.
Like, I'm not going to,
I'm not going to do that.
You know.
So then I thought, is I so is it just.
Like a reversal because she felt
that she need to do something?
In reaction to their reaction.
Right. Like, yes. Friends.
And now you knew this about her?
I thought it was, and I.
Well, we'll have to watch again
at some point, I guess.
But I thought it was her
kind of doing that.
Okay. You want me to.
Do. That?
Make sure that bad things.
People don't do bad things,
and I'm a good person.
And, you know, because the friends were
the ones kind of pushing to fire the DJ.
And so that works.
I took that, as, you know, if other people
if I have to get fucking persecuted
for this shit. Right.
I didn't actually do anything.
So she took it out on this stage.
She takes out on her. Yeah.
The DJ and kind of a reversal of like,
no, I'm gonna, you know, say bad.
This was bad or doing drugs. Bad.
You know, I it was kind of,
it was kind of,
really crazy to fire your DJ on the day
of smoking heroin at some point,
I don't know.
Protip, though,
if you're having an argument with
someone who's hired
you and you're still expecting them
after you say you're a cunt.
When they
say you're fired, don't act surprised.
Not like up until that moment. Because.
Because she only acts. She.
Because I think she only says you're fired
after, the.
DJ calls and there's she's like,
you're being a real cunt.
And and then she gets fired
and she's like, you're firing me?
I'm like, well.
What did you think the.
Yeah. Like, what did you think that that.
Particular statement
would have led to like.
Oh, you think this would have been like,
you're like, yeah, like, oh never.
Mind. You're right, I am you.
You know what, John?
I can't wait to play your song.
Yeah. I thought that was wild.
And I, I want to look deeper and I go,
I gotta think more.
About their dance instructor.
She was a little rough, dude.
Well, but again, like.
But why? But why?
So why is she so why is she like that?
When they encounter somebody who,
if you don't do the exact plans.
The exact steps that have been
given to you as the acceptable things,
you are wasting my fucking time.
And you are, you know. What are you doing?
And that's she goes from,
like, a dance instructor to as if she was.
The dance director for a major Broadway
show.
And people are fucking up.
Just because these two people are.
Having fun dancing to their own song.
You know, practicing that dance
for the other wedding.
Yeah. And it was, it shows like.
How close.
People are to going over the edge
of normal to insane, right.
And that's all it took
for her to to go over that.
And there was, there was two things that,
Charlie finally,
when he
can not confront, but when he speaks.
To Rachel and Mike later,
like in, Rachel's office.
And he's the first person to bring up.
You almost killed the boy like you
only didn't.
Yeah.
You know,
because, they let her off the hook way.
Too easily on that.
And Mike doesn't say.
Anything, and I know it's because, like,
Charlie is supposed to be.
A weaker character.
So I get why he didn't press that.
But as a watcher,
I found that a little frustrating.
Or I was like,
of all the people in that room,
this person should not be having the like,
be getting off so easily on what they did.
I thought. That's.
Who forces.
The conversation and that, yeah,
that is one thing that I had of just
I was like, it's not a cool thing to do
if you're forcing everybody
to say the worst thing
they've ever done, you it should be,
you know, a little bit like. Yes.
Okay, look, you know,
and this reveals is shocking, right?
Right.
And she probably just should said
something else. Yeah.
She said something else,
but she was, you know, the the boos.
Were heavy and yeah, lips.
Were loose and so but it's like
no, that should be a,
bubble of safety here.
You know, she's not revealing that
she murdered someone yesterday.
She's not revealing, you know.
You know, it's not an immediate.
Rachel's reaction is like, there's a
there needs to be an immediate.
Something needs to be done
about what she did.
What am. Yeah. As a child.
And it's like,
I don't know if you're already
forcing everybody to reveal these things.
I do think.
You need to create a little bit
of a safe space here.
And like.
Let's just remember she's not her friend.
She's, Rachel's.
Friends with Pattinson. Yeah. It's,
that that stands.
Yeah.
They make a point of it that, like,
those two weren't friends before.
Yeah.
And, I don't know,
maybe there's some envy,
because I don't really get a lot
of great connection
between Rachel and Mike.
I don't, I don't know, like,
how their situation is.
We don't go very deep into it.
But maybe there's a certain,
you know, thing of, of, jealousy,
towards Emma because she doesn't
seem friendly to her ever.
No. And, you know, she even, like,
she didn't really her reaction
that she later does, on a, her speech,
you know, being invited
as a maid of honor, her interior
reality reaction was,
you don't have any real friends.
Yeah. And that's why you're asking me.
And she also.
Apparently she hates
Charlie a little bit, too.
It seems that it's kind of revealed
because she's like,
you deserve each other.
You you know, that's.
I guess you could say that she's accepting
because.
Charlie's
accepting her going through with the.
Marriage or whatever is Rachel.
Is like, okay, well,
now you're a trash person, too.
Yeah. No, I that's the thing.
I think that Rachel
has feelings for Charlie
and they were never reciprocated or,
you know, or anything like that.
And that's led to a lot of animosity
in her.
At least
that's how the movie plays it off.
It plays it off like she has
just daggers.
For for these two folks.
I don't know if she overplayed it, you
know, as he played it, but I don't think.
So, because at a certain point,
the director would have noticed,
you know, like how hard
she was going into that side.
But, yeah, I was,
She was one of the more puzzling aspects
to understand, in
the film was like, what's her deal?
What is she?
You know, the crazy part is, though,
and maybe I'm giving us
as people too much credit, but
I when I, you know, I,
I walked out and I was like, but I mean
there's really kind of wild reactions.
Overly wild reaction. Yeah.
And I think that's kind of also the point.
But then I thought about it
and I go, you know what though,
people might, might react this way.
Like people, if you look in the discourse,
I mean, you had the internet, you know,
heightened different freaking reaction.
And so like, oh, you look at,
you know, the talk around the discussion
around this of like, whether
she should have even been a school.
She would be school shooter.
And yeah, you know, all that discussion,
it's like, okay,
maybe this would be people's reactions.
Like maybe they're, you know.
I mean, remember for every good.
That it is done,
you know, if anyone is accused of anything
nowadays, they're guilty first.
And unless your, you know, a politician.
But for everyone else, as soon as.
You're
someone. Says
an accusation, they're guilty.
You're guilty until proven innocent.
And even then
I don't really think it matters.
Like here's what.
Because what happens
if if something is accused
and it goes to court and it gets dropped
or whatever the argument is?
Oh, well, it was years ago
and there wasn't, you know,
how would you have evidence
for something that was,
you know, supposedly happened years ago?
This person probably did do that.
So that doesn't even matter either.
So it's I, I.
Perception comes in.
Yeah. I mean like if.
Let's say like the argument was
there's a video that pops up of of Zendaya
as a 13 year old girl and she says,
I would kill those people
if I had the chance, she would be done.
She her career would be over.
It wouldn't matter that she was 13.
It wouldn't matter at all.
People would crucify her over
something like that.
And so no,
I think the film is properly portraying
the way that the greater the larger public
would react to anything like that.
But but then patent since character
after out of all of his,
you know, madness.
And how how far he goes down into a whole.
There's not being able to deal with this.
He says the most.
Insightful thing in the whole
movie, one of the most insightful things
in the whole movie,
because, you know, you're you're
angry at her
for something that she confessed,
you know, to thinking about doing
and to planning.
But if you look out on the street,
there are thousands of people
who have had thoughts like that every day,
and they don't do it.
Yeah. And you don't think about it.
You don't know.
You just don't know.
And it's just your knowledge of knowing
that that has turned you into this.
And it's.
It may.
Be like out of character,
maybe a little bit at that point because,
you know, he's he's so thinking, but he's
thinking of it 100 different ways.
Trying to rationalize.
Yeah, he's trying to
to come to terms with it.
And that to me was yeah. No.
It was the summation.
Yeah.
I was I say that's kind of
like a little bit of a summation of
like what the director I think
is trying to get the point across here.
You know, that what happens in your head
doesn't happen, in reality.
But we all treat our perception
of what we hear
and what we think as reality, you know?
And,
I guess to, I mean, wrap it all up,
unless you have anything.
No, no, I was, I mean, we
we talked about so much about it
in such a short time already.
Yeah. Bush burying trauma.
Allen is a horrible person.
She's the most sane one.
I, I I'm okay. I'm.
I like the ending.
I actually genuinely think.
Like the way that everyone's
going to react to.
What happened at the wedding.
They're going to have.
Each other and they don't need
anyone else, and they'll be fine.
It's how I view the ending like yep
they're going to be fine
just with the two of them.
It also just it occurs to you
that what happens in a relationship
is its own little interior world.
And everybody's outside
opinion of it really doesn't matter.
You know, like it's
a, it's, it's between the two people.
It really is. It's between the two people.
And there's that aspect of it.
But I also liked The Full Circle,
where it starts off of where
he's,
you know,
coming on to her at the coffee shop
and she doesn't hear him.
And so then he
she's like, let's start over.
And that's kind of their thing,
you know, a little bit.
She tried it, I think to show the movie.
To be like, yeah.
I see that this is really
you're spiraling over this.
I'm still me.
Let's like, hey, let's start over.
And that's kind of their like their
go to, to help.
Which there was.
Before
midnight. Linklater's Before Midnight.
Yeah. Yeah.
That's one of my favorite scenes where he.
Tries to stand two.
Thirds of the way through the film.
Like, yeah, you, you know, or actually no.
He says in the same scene, he tries it,
he gets stopped.
But then later in that scene
as they're, as they're sitting at night,
she starts
to, you know, to, to play along with it.
So yeah.
I yeah,
I thought it was a, it was, it was great.
I enjoyed watching it a lot.
Yeah.
I don't I'm not going to really care about
like what other people think towards it
because I know that
people are going to be very locked into.
Oh, you're making a joke of this.
I don't really
I don't think it's doing that at all.
I think that it's helping.
I think that laughing
at really awful things
while trying to discuss them helps,
trying to discuss them first.
So you know, that's that was Mel Brooks's
entire thing, which I'm going
to make the worst person in the world
look like a fucking clown.
And that helps me deal with
those awful people.
So I think it's, you know,
I don't think it's to that extent
that the he's doing this in this film,
but it's like
we want to be able to talk about this,
but I'm going to break it up a little bit
and give you some like darkly comic,
you know, comedy.
Her computer crashing was so.
Yeah that was the and the kid did
she's a toy toys try to like yeah reboot.
You get into character.
You do the thing then she can't do it.
Yeah.
It was there was a lot of funny moments
and yeah, the darkly funny moments.
But I also think there was I do
think it kind of opens up the conversation
a little bit of like it's it's
a small thing, but patterns and magic.
Mentions his bullying.
Charlie mentions his bullying,
that he's not sure
if it really caused
somebody to move or not.
But there's a moment
that Emma is trying to explain,
I think how awful
the bullying was like that.
Her daily harassment. And
he kind of doesn't get it.
It does seem like that's his reaction.
Seems almost like that's what caused it.
Like, this is what caused I for my memory,
I don't remember.
Yeah I don't.
He doesn't have his
like he doesn't kind of he goes what
I was a bad you know he didn't like
see it as that bad.
It seemed like his reaction.
Which is something he didn't get bullied.
I well, that's what.
I'm. Saying.
Like. Yeah.
Yeah.
Like he does think. That. He.
Doesn't understand
how impactful it can. Be.
Yeah, exactly.
And I think that was a point
that I kind of picked up on and I, I liked
was like and I think it does open up
the conversation of,
yeah, bullying is a massive problem.
That we need to acknowledge and open up.
The discussion about, like,
and I think, again.
If, if the Emma character went through
and she was a mass shooter.
Awful, terrible.
But yeah, I do think it does open up
the conversation of like, well,
what led this now
seemingly emotionally stable person to.
I think the other and again, is.
You know, Pattinson brings it up.
His character brings it up.
It's a uniquely American problem.
No, it's not like bullying didn't exist
except for the last,
you know, since Columbine,
it doesn't only exist
in the United States of America,
but the United States of America
is the only place where you constantly
have school fucking shootings.
So, yeah, what's going on?
What's the difference? Yeah.
What's the I mean,
the difference is obvious and stupid
and people will never people
who on the other side will never,
you know, come up to that realization
because they don't want to
But that's also,
you know, the biggest thing like this
isn't a uniquely American problem
in bullying.
It isn't even like this generation.
It's, it's a it's
been a forever thing for kids.
But it's harder nowadays with social media
it's easier.
It's a lot easier to do it
and it's constant.
There's no like
and then you get a break from it when you
go home, like it doesn't fucking stop.
It's endless. Yeah.
And then you have the easy access to
a violent end.
Yeah.
It's a yeah, it's a cocktail.
It's a cocktail for.
Yeah. Awful things to happen.
That's so cool.
What a way to end the conversation.
But, yeah, I mean, there's no, there's no,
I think the the happiness or the happy,
the happy ending of the film is
you've got, a couple that seems to now
finally understand each other is okay
being more vulnerable with each other.
Yeah. And. Yeah. Yeah.
Like if, if she, if he can,
if she can find it to move.
On from the experience that happens
that we witnessed at the wedding.
Then she will the cheating prior
to the wedding with the coworker or the.
Yeah. The then the, yeah.
The awful speeches and even like, this
falling apart, of of that.
Yeah. She can.
How the speech like deteriorates
into all the notes.
That Mike.
Mike told him in the opening like, don't,
don't
take that out.
Like everything that he was told
in the beginning to get out again.
Mike seems, Mike seems good. Yeah.
Mike seems like a good source
said that Charlie needs, in his life.
I wonder going forward if he has it.
I tell you, I wouldn't be surprised
if Rachel and Mike were divorced
within a month of the end of that song.
I could see that happening.
It's funny, because I.
Can see Mike being like, I'm going to
support them and her being like, you're.
Fucking ass.
But at the same time, if if it's very
quick editing, I'm almost positive.
I see that. You see Rachel
trying to physically a cost the.
Boyfriend who headbutts, Robert.
Pattinson. Yeah. Then she starts to so.
I wonder if, like,
if she had a mental slip
that we don't get to really experience
where she was like.
It's like a tribalism. Like, no. Yeah.
It's like now I can.
The thing is, the violence is against him.
Yeah. And I think that.
If it was on her, if it was on Emma,
she wouldn't give a shit.
But again, it feeds into my thing of like,
there's more in her mind towards Charlie.
That. Maybe she's even willing to. Admit.
Because, yeah, she slips immediately
and it's like.
I'll fucking kill you.
Like I remember, you know, or,
you know, something that would.
Yeah, yeah.
I brought you, Just to wrap.
I know we got to wrap up, but, like,
I was telling Melissa about this movie.
My wife, and she.
She reminded me.
She was like, oh, it's like that line
that you really like in 12 Angry Men,
you know that that sequence.
Where he beats.
One of
the other jurors into saying,
I'll kill you.
And Henry Fonda says,
you don't really mean you'll kill me.
They'll do you,
because that's sometimes just the thing
people say.
Yeah, yeah, it's it's good.
It's a great movie to watch.
And then sit down and talk about it
for like two fucking hours, because,
yeah, it's it's got a lot to say. And,
And there's so many
I mean, the school shooter,
the mass shooter
aspect takes over the conversation.
But there, there's these other little,
you know, deeper.
Yeah.
Subplots of how well do you know
your partner, how vulnerable
are you willing to be with your partner?
How do your friendships, affect your
your partnership?
Yeah.
So there's a there is a whole, you know,
subplot of the relationship there.
Yeah.
That I think also just a rewatch of
because the edits are so quick.
They're, they're so quick of the flashes
of these things.
Yeah.
It's just this thing,
the ring or the rings, the poster that.
Yeah, yeah, in the poster,
it's it's her holding up her.
Hand, you know, as you know.
Yeah. It's right on his, his chest. Yeah.
Showing the ring off.
But when you see that image in the movie,
she's pointing at him
with the finger gun symbol.
So. Okay,
so I didn't catch it on the fridge.
The picture on it's. On the fridge. Yeah.
So I didn't catch that. Really.
But.
So, Ryan,
my husband brought it to my attention.
He's like, I think it changes,
like from the poster to the the photo,
and then I, I questioned, then I was like,
but I didn't, I didn't notice that.
Does it change at some point with his?
I don't think it changes.
I just. Perception.
I think it's that they.
The poster is one thing.
And then when you see that image
in the film, it's a different image.
Although I will argue, I think
you could have put out that poster.
With the image of that,
and no one would have batted an eyelash.
And then when the
movie came out, you would have been like,
Jesus Christ.
Yeah,
you know, it's an interesting. Choice.
I remember when,
What was the second film?
It was the sequel, the.
Unknown sequel to unbreakable at the time
when it came out.
The my channel
on, the second film, Split Glass.
Okay.
Split, as I want to say, shatter.
There was an
a hidden in plain sight.
Tell that that was a sequel.
To. Unbreakable.
And it was.
If you took the two.
Theatrical posters and put them next.
To each other, the Shattering Glass met
in the middle.
You could put them next to each other
and the glass that was broken. On.
The one half of the original unbreakable
poster.
That expands.
Line to line in the in the other poster.
For split and you didn't know it.
You could have put it together if.
You would have, like, thought of it,
you would have never thought of it.
And I yeah, I wonder what the decision was
to change the poster.
Is it is it to have this moment afterwards
to be like, oh wow, look at that.
Or was A24 really.
Fucking terrified of promoting this movie
for what it was?
I, I hate to be like,
it's a marketing thing.
It's a marketing thing.
You've got two big names.
Zendaya, especially.
You want the butts in the seats before the
the conversation you know, you need.
I do think it might be a get them
get them to the theater.
Do you think it's
what's your reaction then to.
Like,
if someone watched this and they're, like,
deceived, they feel a little deceived.
Like they needed a trigger warning.
Or they were just straight up
sold a bag of goods that wasn't the movies
they were going to see. It was. Yeah.
But I don't think the trailers.
Here's the thing.
Watching the trailers, I did
seem like it was going to be
some kind of psychological.
Something seems off.
Dark. Yeah, where you're like,
oh, this isn't.
Just going to be funny.
Like there's going to be something
that happens, you know.
At the very least, Robert.
Pattinson is going to discover that he's
actually gay, you know, and then like, and
break off the wedding
at the end or something like that.
Yeah.
Because I yeah, we're getting
I mean, maybe if you don't have
like a higher media literacy,
you're just seeing an awkward couple.
Because I guess you could take it as a
this is a really uncomfortable
couple because, like, I think, like,
the photo shoot is in the.
Trailer where, like.
But then we learned, you know,
after the trailer that it's really like
they're doing this photoshoot
after the night of the reveal
and he's having all these crazy.
So it's about it. So it does like it.
That moment that was hilarious to,
which is the photographer,
like basically gives up on obviously
we know what it's going to be good.
So we'll catch it,
we'll go to deal. With it.
And you get, you get the. The the early,
the foreshadow that
like he may sway very quickly
to someone else in an act of desperation,
because he can't smile.
But then he looks at the,
the blond is working of destiny,
and just for a hot second,
he, like, has a genuine smile
because he's just desperate
to find, like, normalcy
like that normal relationship again
somewhere.
But yes, I don't know,
maybe people I honestly,
I didn't read a whole lot of did this.
I'm not I'm not going to.
Yeah.
Like I don't know if it matters to me.
I think it maybe I guess you,
but I
this is where I'm going to sound so old.
And you know,
it's like it's like a cancel
kind of comment for an old person to say,
I don't
really, truly believe in trigger warnings.
Like, there are some movies that like,
I'll mention one that I had,
like a panic attack afterwards, but, like,
I don't know how you would give it
a trigger warning as, like Aftersun.
I had like a panic attack
after watching Aftersun with Pascal.
Yeah.
That movie was a little too close
to comfort.
Yeah.
Yeah, but I don't think, you know,
I don't think I would put a trigger
warning on it, but,
So I don't know if you know that.
That's the thing. I don't know.
That's a generational thing.
Yeah, yeah, it's a generation
like in an old person because.
Yeah, because. I,
I don't have that either.
It's like if I watch something
that's upsetting, it's okay.
Yeah, I'm okay with.
Watching
something that actually upsets me.
But I
understand that people are not like that.
Yeah.
Yeah. Funny.
So like, yeah, I don't,
I don't know, maybe it would be beneficial
for people
when they went in to know this plot point.
I don't, I don't think that the marketing
is trying to fool you.
I do think that, I mean,
it is at the beginning of the movie,
it does set up the inciting incident.
I yeah, I was okay.
Though, that it was I, I'm happy that the.
Point is
the point is the characters don't know.
Yeah. So you're not supposed. To know.
You're in their seats.
You need to have the reaction
that they're going to have
or your own reaction
to this information reveal.
So I, I appreciate that it was, you know,
I didn't catch the spoiler before we,
we went in, I didn't either.
Yeah. No.
So it's funny, this is just go ahead.
No, no, no,
I was just, you know, the point that
if you know
it beforehand, you're going to make your.
Own determinations
and then bring that in there with you.
Yeah.
And it's been proven true
because that's what I,
you know,
that's what people are going to do.
Oh, well, this is unforgivable.
And it this person's terrible person.
That's an end of the movie.
You know, that's.
Not the point of storytelling, right?
Like we the brilliance of, of of a film is
you can show different perspectives.
You can.
Also it also. Proves at the movies. Right.
It's it's
the reaction is that it solidifies that.
The movie is 100% fucking accurate.
It nailed it.
Yeah.
I, you know, you kind of you proved the
thesis of the film before you even saw.
It, right?
Because you were told something
and you said, I never, man,
I don't need to know anything else
because that's crazy.
This person's insane.
How could you ever back them up?
Ta-Da!
That's not. Done. Yeah.
Funny.
This is just, I guess I know before we,
I know I said I think we.
Okay, we'll wrap this up
half hour ago, but,
the funny side
note of Pattinson being in another film
that people have like strong reactions
to the non
to reveal with this. Yes.
Okay. But that. One.
Remember me remember. Me.
Yeah that is like.
And so I guess for people
I feel I'm sure but not really.
I don't feel bad about it specifically
because I don't think it's a great movie.
I don't think it needs to be watched.
But.
That's also it doesn't.
It's a totally. Different thing
because it's.
It's just it's throw it in.
Just me stalling at the end.
It's a left sealed saying and yeah, it's
it is one of the, fucking.
Craziest decisions
I've ever seen in a movie.
And especially in that moment in time.
Okay, so here's a look at
what happened when I watched this movie.
So I watched this
movie after it came out on DVD.
I guess, like,
I guess the normal amount when it was like
six months after three months
after what you could get on
like Redbox or in college.
And we watched it with all of the floor,
like the my floor and my dorms.
And so like there was like ten of us.
Did you not?
No, no, none of us knew
except for except for one person.
One person had seen it before.
It was like, let's watch this behind me.
Oh, that person's great.
To not tell anything.
The moment happens.
Where? Yeah, he hit the building.
It's hit by the play in the 911.
But they don't show it. They don't show.
They don't show. It.
Yeah, yeah.
But it's implied that
he said he dies in 911.
Or is it. Yeah.
Oh yeah. No. Because he's way up.
Yeah. Yeah. Building like. Right.
He's not getting out of there. Yeah.
And so we finish the film.
And then this I guess is kind
of like proving the point of like this,
like how.
Triggering things can be.
And I don't blame her
because it was like, not,
I mean, yeah, 911
I guess was like ten years before that.
But I would still argue, like for New
Yorkers, it's still really ever present.
It's just that's the way it is.
And one of our, our floor
mates lost it, like, angry,
like raging that they would throw this in,
that it's not, drama point that,
you know, and it's totally understandable.
Like. Yeah.
Because it has nothing to do
with the rest of the movie.
Yeah.
There's nothing
heavy shit that you're not, you.
Know, and I would argue that we haven't
we still haven't really reconciled.
As a country with what happened in 911.
We still have no way to properly
talk about it.
So yeah,
but that was my experience with it.
And I just remember being like, silently
being like, I, I've got nothing to add
to this conversation.
Yeah.
And it was and it was just.
A hard core argument to.
For anyone who has seen.
The film already and, and the floor mate
who was like livid
that that this happened.
Just to.
Just to if you haven't seen the film
and you're listening.
It's a movie.
About like, you know, a guy,
young man who won't, like,
just take the job working for his father,
and he's trying to make his own way
in this, that it's a lot of stuff happens.
Ultimately, he gets a job.
And he's at the office of the job.
And then the camera, as he's
staring out the.
Window, the camera backs up
and I want to see he's in tower
two of the world trade.
And if I remember.
Correctly, you hear a plane
and then it goes.
Black. And that's the end of the film.
So the idea is like his first day on this
new job is on September 11th.
2001, which I think is slightly hinted at
when you hear dates earlier in the film
or something like that,
but it has no other.
Tom Ryan like that.
Like it's just it's just this crazy
fucking thing to throw in at the end,
you know?
And then that's how it is.
Like, that's how it ends.
It's just a cut to black.
And that's the end of the film.
Out of nowhere.
It's nothing to be discussed.
It has no, like, take on this or like it.
Nothing. It's just. What?
How does that. Shock.
Story. It's just a crazy ending.
Yeah.
But so I just I had. Very, very.
I had I thought that was slightly funny
that Pattinson is yet and another.
I remember.
When that came out and that happened
and that news got to me before
I saw the movie and
I just remember people being like,
you will not fuck you.
Could I,
could you give me a thousand guesses
and you are not going to get
what happened.
In okay movie. Yeah.
And there's the difference, right?
Like there's a difference
between this one.
I would say, like,
I don't think the marketing is leading you
to believe that this is a rom com.
You know, and whereas like.
Remember Me is.
Sold and for the most part
until the very end is a romance movie.
It is a romantic movie like
so that's where like
I say, this is a yeah, but anyway, it's.
Very, very weird.
The experience that that thing was
when I, when that came out
and at the time that it came out
because it was still like,
you know, sort of fresh in everyone's
mind.
Yeah. And I think that was
what was so triggering.
But that was like the.
I probably the first like,
should there be a trigger.
Warning, Debate that I heard you know,
like when we were starting to like.
Because my roommate
and my floor mate were like, going at it
a debate for like an hour
whether there should have been a trigger.
There should have been something
that alerted you to this.
But anyway, yeah, I, I thinking back,
I would like to rewatch the drama.
I think coming out of it I was like,
do I want to rewatch it?
But I think that was maybe.
Just my like,
infuriating with the people,
the other characters in the film.
You know?
Yeah, the, the a lot of character,
a lot of character.
We don't want to just fucking.
Yeah,
I just want to. She's trying to people.
I just want to be like, how are you.
Not giving her
the her do shit for what she admitted to?
Like after all of this, but.
Yeah, well. Yeah, check it out.
I definitely.
I mean, I hope you checked it out already
before you listen to this conversation,
but, you know,
whichever way you consume, it is fine.
All right. Cool. Well, thanks.
Thanks for coming.
On to talk about that, Pete.
And he'll have some, new movies
coming up to discuss.
And I don't know the schedule
of the movie releases, but, we try to.
I know Pete and I always try
and get to catch them in theaters.
Yeah.
Trying to get to the theaters.
Yeah, especially like a project.
Hail Mary. Go, go see that in theaters.
You're gonna want to experience
on a big screen.
I even regret, it not being,
not seeing it on a larger screen.
I was in, like,
a smaller theater for our,
our local, film
society has a nice little,
membership thing,
and they have a good theater,
great projector, everything that was just
a little bit a smaller theater.
So I would even recommend, like,
if you can go see it in a larger format.
I think I would also just
I mean, even for me, like
the drama is a great movie
to see up on the big screen too,
because of some of the visuals
that you know are in it.
You know, as you're jumping around, it
brings you into that
space of Pattinson's like,
dwindling
sanity, and just trying to deal with it.
So yeah, I. Think, yeah.
Encouraged just and also
it's just being able to turn off.
I think that's I don't know why
I'm advocating suddenly for moviegoing or.
Seeing in theater things, but.
I think it does.
It does help. Yeah.
And but it also just it's a really nice
relief to shut off the phone,
block out the noise. Yeah.
No dogs, no distractions, just.
You know, and if you don't own dogs, you
probably shouldn't have dogs regularly.
Also you shouldn't you just shouldn't
just have dogs around you.
Probably a good idea.
Right? Right.
You know, and I don't even know
whoever's noisy in your life
is not interrupting you
while you're trying to absorb a film.
Especially the drama.
Where, like, there's such quick edits
that you could miss thing so easily.
And I don't think that the drama is
something that really should be paused.
I think you kind of need to, like.
Ride that one through.
Yeah, sit with that.
Yeah.
All right. Cool. Well. Thank you.
This was so much fun.
Thanks, everyone. Bye!
Hey, guys. Ashley here.
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