Why Your Phone Camera Sucks - S4E4

Show Notes

Phone cameras are getting pretty good. But just how good are they? And how are they making them better? If you have ever found yourself asking these questions then you are in luck! The team discusses many different technologies and factors that play into creating digital images and what that means for your experience when doing so on your phone. And why it might come in handy in certain situations to use a higher-end camera. After they blow your mind with all that knowledge they introduce a new segment, The Wheel of Hot Takes. The guys spin a wheel and argue against each other for things no person ever should. Last but not least, the show is ended with their weekly tip on different mics and their uses. Oh, and did we mention Daniel joins this episode? Well, he does...

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Creators and Guests

Host

Tristan Watkins

Co-Host, Co-Founder, and Creative Director at Triflix II, LLC.

Producer

Cole Ankney

Producer, Co-Host, and Co-Founder at Triflix II, LLC.

Editor

David Baker

Podcast Editor, Efficiency Manager, and Office Manager at Triflix II, LLC.

What is TRIFLIX Cast?

The official podcast of Triflix. A creative media studio out of Columbus, Indiana. Hosted by Cole Ankney, Tristan Watkins, and David Baker. Follow their journey as they grow their business and discuss topics like tech, video, photo, and whatever else comes to mind that day. Three entertaining dudes, topical discussions, and guests... What else could you ask for in a podcast?

welcome to episode four this one's gonna be a fun one we're gonna talk about cameras camera technology dynamic range we're gonna explain all the technical capabilities

we're going to talk about dynamic range we're going to expand upon the Technical

welcome to episode four it's gonna be a fun one check it out we're talking about cameras camera phones we're going to have a brand new segment that uh it has the wheel of death I guess is what we're calling it so stay tuned and don't miss out nice so it was not my third attempt

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that's my drum roll it's just stinking it up welcome to Triflix cast we are professional videographers and photographers talking about business practices Tech and a little bit of fun sprinkled in on top and editors yeah and today and editor I'm the producer around these parts uh to my right is Tristan I'm the director yes sir and then next to him is I'm Daniel I'm the editor nice and I'm David I'm just a contractor that's it and don't forget it

I have a power bill on your imagination yes and somehow together we run a media company called triflix based out of Columbus Indiana somehow somehow we're running this ship it's just like you guys look Iceberg huh it's because I make you guys look so good it's true you do that it is true that is true not this podcast though yeah not this plan

okay let's get started with some news uh today's story is not such an odd one uh but I thought it was it was newsworthy I'm already well obviously because it was in the news but you're hurting well not out there completely seated so I'm not gonna have you guess I'm just gonna come out and tell you I thought it was kind of funny uh Kanye West is buying parlor yay you guys are you guys familiar I don't know what color is so parlor was the um overly conservative free speech app that came out that's right that was supposed to relinquish the chains of which meta have put Upon Us oppressed people yeah on every platform yeah meta's like because they won't let you go on and talk about your divorce and your kids so this is a new platform they they will they just they don't want Facebook why else would Kanye bite I thought he was buying it so he could go on a platform and will not get banned on Twitter he's just buying his own platform I think he did yeah it wasn't an indefinite right no it was until he said I'm sorry and acknowledge that he won't keep making weird comments about his uh semitism type stuff oh that's right yeah that's right yeah that's what that was the final straw that's right um so Elon owns Twitter or going to working on it um Mr former president has his true mobile now Kanye West has parlor it's just the battle of the celebs and that's why I wanted to bring this up because it's crazy I just you can't make this stuff up where do you think Joe Rogan's gonna go since he's friends with all of them

social media platform and call it Rogue if we're all going rogue that'd be cool he should really get sponsored by Rogaine but and then he just pulls everything from Spotify throws it all on his platform yeah he'd have so many followers go with him just for his podcast alone he would I think he's pretty well locked into Spotify Spotify is pretty much coming out well they pretty much come out and said like we'll pay you whatever it takes to keep you nice because you reach for Spotify well the original deal was like 100 million and then they came out later that it might have been 200 and then this whole thing happened where I think it was it was some I think it was Fox News somebody that like owned them that owned another Network they were trying to get him to come to that instead of spotify and Spotify up the ante they're like nah yeah because they just have more money than they know what to do with that's so cool because that's basically what happened to us it was our podcast yeah I forgot about that or Spotify exclusive now right yeah we're not okay

we're on everything exactly we're on it we're all we have every single thing flowing through our veins we have the Spotify interviews we have the iPhone Google iTunes so you're dating yourself there yeah is it not called iTunes anymore no it's just apple pie I don't use it no oh yeah I forgot to mention I'm the login for our company on there I know and I keep getting emails that say action now and I don't know what to do with them that's awesome a couple months old that's good to know so if this is still one I don't know what to do but it says action now I'm just completely lost I hope that if you're listening to this it's still working on Apple podcast let me know midlist and it just cuts out action action required was not submitted yeah yeah but yeah I think this is a pretty good some craziness that uh all these billionaires you know maybe one day we'll get that big where uh they still think they could buy us out I hope so they said they that there are no terms that are in the public yet but they've raised 56 million okay um and I guess you know they said Kanye is worth two bill

yeah we're trying to be associated with him well I know and I just I just at the whole I don't even know is it back I didn't think parlor was back on the I don't know I got apps on my platforms I got apps on my phone that you can't get on the store well yeah but you got Android you can't do that on an iPhone no no man that's why lawsuits oh wow because you're really dumb you can't sideload that's so dumb yeah you can't just go on and pull an APK and put it on you can't at the jailbreak your phone to do that well then that just deterred every reason I was going to switch to iPhone yeah no you can't what are you gonna do what apps yeah thank you what apps what do you got what kind of podcasts are we doing today really what about it oh I don't know I just oh we got the bleep button uh I mean I'm married there's apps for things outside of just Snapchat okay and you can do a lot of things in a lot of apps and yeah but why do you need to side load them because they got removed from the Android store yeah they're probably still on iOS they I think that it is still on iOS I don't know how they got around it but it's still over there it's not on Android they got pulled interesting yeah okay that's all that's all I want to know about that yeah

I really hate to follow this up with a sponsor segment but we're going to speaking of uh companies that chill for uh podcasts and all that we'll find a way to make that not seem horrible yeah it's not horrible it's all good enjoyed it he's just trying to keep the spark alive marry married people and sinners know what I'm talking about yeah wow I'm trying to get away from speaking of going back in well you know what hey no I've got the perfect thing David okay hear me out so when this whole horrible app thing blows up in his face yeah and he ends up on the on the curb with his bags packed and his his wife locking the door um there is free counseling offered at Coffee House five so that's one of my favorite Parts about it he can get he can get counseled to help him with his instability Council you know if he's like falling asleep because of his late nights he can get a nice cup of joe yeah he can bring bring in his husky mug that he forgot the wash I'm so much more wash it you have so much more hope I have so much more hope after hearing about coffee house five located in Franklin Indiana in Greenwood Indiana

I've only had some more official way of hearing it okay so we are uh we're still drinking the uh Nicaraguan um coffee and pretty good I believe we should be switching Maybe by The Next Episode because the holiday blend should be making its way out yeah right so you have more podcasts so we can drink what holiday is it does it taste more like Thanksgiving or Christmas it's a blend so it tastes like Christmas and Thanksgiving Monica

coffee house five with locations in Franklin and Greenwood and soon a third in Bargersville coffee house five is Johnson County's Premiere independent coffee shop to relax study or meet friends around great coffee and great food Monday through Saturday whether it's a handcrafted espresso or a single origin pour over you'll enjoy the freshest smoothest coffee possible roasted in-house at their Franken location using a unique air bed roasting process and don't forget to pair your coffee with a ham and cheddar scone biscuits and gravy made with their award-winning parmesan chive biscuit or any of their other pastries and sandwiches prepared in their Franklin kitchen using family recipes in a style they call Midwest comfort food but as if that is not enough to get your attention sirs and ladies uh coffeehouse five is a four benefit fit coffee house all profits are invested in building a stronger Community through their support of local Mental Health Services Tristan which you can read more about on their website coffeehouse5.com so the next time you're in Franklin or Greenwood and soon Bargersville stop by coffeehouse five yeah for all your coffee food and counseling needs I will say oh non-ad related coffee house five coffees the first thing I brewed for Tristan and he tasted it independently off camera yeah in the middle of the week which is no reason to like it and he said that's not bad I did say that I I just said it it was bad it was that's not bad at all he doesn't like coffee he does not like coffee no but this stuff it's a shame it's very different it's helpful for a non-coffee drinker for a non-coffee drinker even they can admit it's pretty good I think that says a lot just saying yeah a lot yeah it's not every day he drinks he drinks water and maybe some soapy stuff some soapy water as well yeah yeah and now Bean water now some Bean water yeah yeah Bean water sorry yeah technically not beans

they're uh technically a fruit water so technically this is just a smoothie so that's debatable it's more like uh I was gonna say I think a smoothie needs ice okay then a frappe is a smoothie yeah that's a true smoothie don't call it a frappe it's called a frap call it a versus rails

oh my gosh okay so we're trying to reel this thing in everyone just just just for the the sanity of our listeners followers we're we're gonna try to keep these episodes uh we're gonna we're trying to be very uh structured to a certain degree I can't even get it out which is fantastic but I'm only gonna explain it once so I want him to do it again yeah this is we're gonna try to just do a single topic with and then maybe we'll Branch off I'm not maybe but we will so we have lots to talk about we do we always find great things in between those to talk about yeah so when I put four topics on the list we normally cannot can I we can get through all of them so and we go over by the time we even go over so if you've been making it through the hour and a half hour and 45 minute long podcast the optimal lesson for one seriously yes like yes nobody expects you to do that I don't know maybe you guys like the kind of thing yeah yeah well that's true I mean leave us a comment if you do like it we'll we'll keep it going otherwise we're gonna aim for an hour next thing you know we're going to be doing the three hour Rogan cast just oh yeah we don't even care anymore David yep it's not that bad I still want to do like a live podcast one time we just need to make sure we have better restraint we're gonna do it we have plenty of restraints I'm just gonna be sedated in the corners kind of drooling all right just make sure it doesn't get too hyper over there okay okay so uh today we're going to talk about ah I don't know today we're going to talk about uh camera stuff because we are photographers and videographers which is awesome wow and we have had a we've had a thing come up a lot recently and we get compared all the time at least our our media gets compared all the time to cell phone cameras this is something that's polygamous I know we've talked about it before but we're gonna dive into some of the technical things and our thoughts on this because it's not all bad I don't want to I don't want to make it sound like this is one of those things where I'm just gonna bad mouth it the whole time and tell you that you have to use a professional company that has very professional high-end expensive gear we would never shoot on a cell phone though

so Tristan might not but I do all the time they're too intimidating everything everything has has a place so one of the main things we're going to talk about today is dynamic range and I'd really like for Daniel to explain this yeah no wrong answers I would love to know me all day about this stuff so I would like to know what you what you think it is my understanding of dynamic range is having a good depth of field which requires the proper settings on your camera or even your phone um just looked at the field fail field I'm failing yes okay field is yeah okay sure if you would like to explain depth of field go ahead and then I'll come back in is that where you guys take it this is going to keep going wrong if you let me know we didn't bring you on here to humiliate you yeah so but I do want to know what depth of field is now what if what if I was listening to this podcast no so I will go for it a great way for people to learn is like the student teacher method where somebody there's an expert and then there's someone who maybe isn't all too familiar and using those two things the the student can be like The Listener and they can ask the questions they can take the place and they can be someone they can relate to and we have some experts in the room too exactly so this is for everyone's benefit yeah so depth of field yes oh gosh you're putting me on spot and now everything is going blank in my mind so all right that's okay totally honest that's okay the depth of field uh yeah well explain it that's the field he's just holding up his hands for everyone listening closer to you and one is farther away yeah yeah then what happens when you're looking at something really close and then there's stuff in the distance you can actually test this with your own eyes so yeah build your field so hold on everybody right now unless you're driving go ahead and hold your hand down if you're driving do it with both hands yes so if don't do that yeah I don't know what the legality of this is disclaimer traffic is not liable for anything that you might do on your own time

put out from your face yeah go ahead and fully extend your arm out put your hand in front of your face and just just look with both your eyes at your at your hand your your hand is in focus at that moment so the what's behind it is out of focus that is the depth of field effect so so then if you look to the left and you look out in the distance that focuses and then your hand is now blurry so that is a great example of depth of field a lot of wedding photography has extreme depth of field you'll see a lot of things behind people when it looks like really Heavenly and like beautiful like you barely can see what's going on just like a smeary water painting behind them which is referred to as bokeh yes so and I heard I've heard it said different ways but so depth of field like just using that as an expression is like there's a lot of like color or something like that like it doesn't really explain it on its own so it's like shallow depth of field means like well true yes the amount of things in Focus yeah like maybe just an inch of depth in front of you so like your hands like maybe a half inch to an inch thick so it'd be like that's a very shallow depth of field if only that part's in focus and everything else around it's out and a really wide depth of field would be like you can see the wall your hand in a mountain in the background and everything's mostly like Crystal Clear sharp and that's all measured with like aperture on a camera so the the what a lot of people are probably familiar with is those disposable cameras yeah they have like an independent focal distance theoretically I was gonna say I wouldn't I wouldn't expect everyone it's a very Daniel have you ever used a disposable camera with filming it yeah okay cool I was just curious they're actually becoming more trendy so it's actually good that you can talk about it it's not it's not because he was around yeah use them as a kid as a kid yeah okay because they can just run around do whatever so I'm familiar with them and so did you ever have to go to like the department store or whatever and go pick up so you never went with them sometimes I I'm sure but I was in candy aisles or yeah nice I just dug it because we were always at the front of the you know because it was remember they would I remember this very vividly that you'd Walk In Like A mire and and your photos would already be like in a package up on the shelf and there was like a through z and you'd go up and you'd grab them and then you go pay for them yeah one one hour photo one more thing on um the uh Dynamic reach one more thing on uh depth of field so like if you have a cell phone and it's specifically iPhone or one of the phones with lidar um there's like a portrait mode and that's the better version and it sending out lasers right David yes and they're bouncing back at your camera so it knows how far away things are from the phone yeah and then whenever you take your photo depth map it can yeah it's sending out lasers so it knows how far away it is and get a depth map um and then it uses that information to know where your subject is and everything far away and it can do post-processing to make whatever's near to the camera artificially um in in focus and move everything else artificially out of focus uh and that's like one of the post-production or post-processing ways that cell phones have gotten around it and the other way is just AI like the the phone just tries to figure out what a person's face and hair and like body is but the lidar is a little more advanced but no so that's a a way where cell phones are adapting because maybe the hardware like the lens can't actually compete with traditional like lenses and cinematography but it still looks really good for most uses yeah and in that case what I'm like most likely what it's doing is taking a picture where basically everything's in focus and then it uses that information like if it's really far away it'll make it more blurry after the fact so it looks like it was taken with a higher depth of field but it wasn't and that's why you can edit it afterwards yeah because you can't do that with a normal photo because there's just no information okay that was one of the big more recent developments with the addition of lidar is that it's creating that depth map it understands and then it tries to recreate the different uh ranges of depth based on an aperture I'm using air quotes because it shows it but yeah it's essentially you know they're just saying oh this looks close to that right yeah and the issue is always hair oh yeah when it tries little tiny strands when it tries to essentially add that blur around the head and there are a lot of stray hairs it it really struggles with hair and it's because it's it's a mixture of AI it's not a natural just effect from the sensor and the lenses AI doesn't it it's not quite there yet but it's getting there yeah yeah and that brings me to to part of this as well the a lot of people are going to reference the new iPhone and the the current version is the iPhone 14. the pro has the best camera and it is a 48 megapixel sensor wow 48 megapixels which there's benefits to this of course you're not always shooting at 48 megapixels right so if Tristan over here would a switch come to the dark side yeah he would open up his phone and he'd be taking pictures and I guarantee he'd be walking around going look at me everybody I'm taking 48 megapixel photos but I have no app to send them through foreign but they're using a process called pixel binning yeah so what's pixel binning though what is that that's a weird thing to say yeah so do you know what pixel bending is no okay all right so they're taking the 48 megapixel sensor and they're taking those pixels and they're they're they're binning them they're mashing them into a larger pixel uh it eventually turns into 12 megapixel but they're using all of these all this other data to then shove into these other pixels and effectively creating a 12 megapixel image but with more data yeah supposedly this is better it sounds like down sampling it kind of sounds like it it's on the physical level right and it is to a certain degree because you are I think you can switch it you have to go turn this on in your settings for those of you that just bought one of these you can go in and turn 48 megapixel shooting on in your settings and then it allows you to shoot these photos isn't this another Innovation Samsung did like four years ago and iPhone's taking credit for correct yeah correct yeah yeah pixel bidding has been happening on Android phones for a long time um yeah especially having a 48 megapixel or a 50 megapixel sensor I think the pretty sure the new pixels have it and the Samsung's been doing it for a long time it's it's been around for a while yeah before we get too deep in the weeds though like all of these things are are marketable I mean they're they're technological advances don't get me wrong but it's all marketing buzzword they're they're Buzz or buzzwords because most people are gonna go it's a 48 megapixel camera more megapixel equal more better I'm gonna go buy it yeah and don't get me wrong that gives you the larger sensor gives you more of the depth effect naturally so you get some of those those features that are built in that that look better and you're getting more data usually gives you better lighting too it gives you better lighting as well that's that's part of what they say right Dynamic right yeah with that word again thank you so Tristan's brought us right back around so I did a lot of research on this and there is no official number for how many stops of dynamic range because there's no standard I mean there kind of is there's like a bunch of independent companies that do dynamic range tests to a certain degree yes well I would say the standard is your eye right well I mean like but I think he's in terms of like an actual like a data table like sure if you are five foot three inches we use a tape measure and that's how tall you are we don't just be like you're about the height of a banana tree yeah so you know like measuring with like height and length is like a really good example for this so with dynamic range uh you can think of it as like a ruler and like maybe when you were a kid you had a ruler that only showed like every inch and then when you got older like maybe you started taking more classes where you had to go down to like a half inch or a quarter inch um dynamic range is kind of like that where you have more information the more dynamic range that you have so having higher dynamic range is like having a more precise ruler and there's more ticks on that ruler so you can have more points of data so like measuring by centimeters instead of inches right yep yep yep but there's there's no real official like reading or you can't even agree how to measure things yeah foreign

film and okay the photo mode and stuff but I think the the main issue is that you can't officially like read your dynamic range on on a phone because there's so much AI processing happening yeah that a lot of that stuff is is really artificially driven yeah with a camera it's it's either this or that there is no in between there's no processing I mean there's a little bit if you're shooting in JPEG but there's like if you go outside on like a bright sunny day and it's been dark inside and then you look outside everything's like all blown out and like real fuzzy and really bright white but then everything inside the building that was really dark is like evenly exposed and stuff or if you're underneath of a tree on a sunny day and like underside of the trees you can make out detail but outside it's too blown out like that's your eyes dynamic range at its limit yeah um but there's times where you'll hold your phone up and it doesn't show everything you can see in real life and like wow like my eyes look way better than the actual phone like some of the stuff's way darker on the phone than it is to my eye or it's way brighter and then there's also the option with like um I think it's called night sight on Android I'm sure there's other terms for it where it's like artificial dynamic range where you'll take a picture and it says hold still for a second and then by the time the photo's done it's brighter like you see more detail in the shadows and the highlights than your own eye could see and that's where like technology is actually getting to the point even for cell phones where if you give it enough time you can get Dynamic rage on par or better than your Dynamic rage

actually probably all the time I've been looking at TVs and HDR yeah yes that's what uh that's referencing it's another buzzword for marketing oh my gosh because there's also no standard right well they're trying to but nobody can agree on which standard to use because if I agree to your standard it makes my product look bad yes yeah so the standard has to benefit the product yeah it's the same thing as like Retina Display and all that stuff yes it's just I'm gonna make my own companies buzzwords that work for my product that make you want to buy it so when you go to the store there's like HDR hdr10 HDR I think 20 now or something like that there's and then there's also there's a lot of different standards and it's just ways people measure how many uh the the brightness but then there's also like wreck for color that's my favorite thing about Apple products it's like all my stuff is like the liquid Retina xdr Display wet eyeball display yeah you're like yeah okay so back to Daniel's prompt that we gave them what is dynamic range I don't think we've said it exactly I mean I just found out this year that HDR stands for high dynamic range so all right we're making towards making products high definition yeah so high definition resolution is what I thought it was um oh gotcha yeah so yeah HD eight yeah all that stuff yeah yeah so many acronyms so dynamic range that's not too far off from like UHD though like the logic makes sense because UHD is ultra high definition but HDR is high dynamic range yeah I see where the logic came from yeah that's that's smart well yeah that's they're like how many acronyms can we throw on the front of a TV yeah or the Blu-ray box or like healthcare like how confusing can we make it so nobody understands what's going on yeah and that's the truth so in order to help make this less confusing a dynamic range is essentially how much data you can capture in an image and pull data from so uh look at a shadow when you when you look at the Shadow and you let your eyes you know gather the information adjust you can see the definition in the shadow you can see the lines like let's just say there's like a cabinet there you can see the lines and the handle and things when your eyes can can finally adjust to it so you see this in that shadow now if you were to take your camera and point that at it depending upon your settings you might just see black you might be able to see a little bit of definition it'll depend on what you set it up as but if your camera has a lot of dynamic range so a higher amount of it then you would be able to go in and post and pull those shadows and see the detail Beyond where those Shadows were in your original image it's all about data so the more stops of dynamic range you have the more data you can pull from your image later on but that's also like if the image isn't baked so like there are color profiles and stuff and we've talked about like raw photos yeah because if you just want to talk about the photo side of things like raw photos is a a codec or a mode in the camera whether that's on your phone because they do have it for iPhones and or a Nikon camera or Sony or whatever and there's also log and these are different techniques or different settings in a camera that will help artificially or actually increase that dynamic range the limitation of it right so with like log it's fake because it's just compressing data like trying to trying to shrink it down so you can pull it out later in post and make it more Vivid and more vibrant and brighter and darker in certain spots but raw is actually like saving all of the settings for you so you can go back and change everything and it's not on the screen it might look like completely black nothing is there but then you can go into those settings you can start bringing up the shadows and all of a sudden oh my gosh there's detail that it looks like there was nothing there before so is it possible to like shoot in raw for like video it is it is a little different than photo but it is almost it's getting very close these days it's really cool so essentially most of the stuff we're going to talk about today we're going to talk about what would be a raw image or a raw video file and and raw is exactly what it sounds like it is essentially an uncompressed an untouched it is just straight from the sensor as much data as it can give you like mineral compression and that's where you'll see if you were to shoot in the 48 megapixel mode on your iPhone you're going to get about 100 or 200 megabyte file for what length of time or for a photo just for a photo yeah talking a single photo and and that's that's kind of that's the issue so you think about that and then depending upon your your frame rate of your video You Know video is just a collection of images that play over yeah a very quick amount of time so if you're shooting at 30 frames per second every second you're shooting 30 photos that are putting together to make a video so you have to think if one of those is 200 megabyte times that by 30 you know you're doing that per second do you know what the rough like resolution is for that like pixel count so like for 48 with your phone most phones are like 1080 to 4K usually that's like the range for a consumer phone that's under two grand so a lot of times like that's the screen not the pictures that it takes right so a lot of times like you can kind of use the rule with megapixel kind of lines up with resolution uh you know excluding aspect ratios uh we're talking like an eight megapixel photos about an 8K image yeah so four negative okay yeah so 48k I mean we're talking this is this is billboard plus size I mean you could blow this thing up and still have your resolution I mean 48 is a lot yeah so we've talked about before like whether or not phones need that amount of storage and it's like they could but what are you going to be using that stuff for right and now we're starting to blur those lines between a professional use and just your day-to-day yeah and and that's where that's why they're not giving you that capability I mean Apple's really good about putting things behind walls but here's a picture of my kid with a crappy drawing they had when they were four and it's like wow that's the size of a billboard it's like do you need that no you don't but but that's why they're saying they're hoping you know I mean the idea is that with the the increase in pixels you in doing the binning you can still get a higher detailed image they're doing a lot of things like zoom and crop and that's why you would normally take an image of that size if you want to shoot a 48 megapixel picture if you think oh now I can literally if I want to get a 12 megapixel out of that I can crop it down yeah so kind of down sampling but like David said it was in the actual it's not in the post processing it's like in the actual initial photo when you're taking it right exactly and it's crazy with comparisons because like one time I was I was out at late and I saw the Moon it was looked gorgeous the Moon look gorgeous I had my camera with me I have a Canon M50 it's not amazing but it works um so I got out and I was trying to take a picture of the Moon I don't have great zoom on my camera but I whipped out my phone and it had so much better like quality picture of the moon and the moon's like all up there in the sky and it's glory and but I got serious good detail out of just using my phone now have you looked at this image on another screen outside of your phone no okay so this is another big part now before optimization yes so they know exactly what they're doing and there is one thing I wanted to cover real fast before we before we go too much further we were talking about dynamic range that was one of the whole whole reasons the human eye um is 21 stops of dynamic range depends on the person yes Ball Park Ballpark and uh what we shoot with I didn't look up the Ronin but um should be like 12 to 14. okay yeah so the nikons that we shoot with they're about 14.4 is what I read okay so photo versus video is like a whole thing too but I assumed you meant video capability Max capability okay yeah whatever if we were able to shoot in you know video wise we were able to shoot in raw 12 bit whatever I think that you would be able to get the full amount of dynamic range out of it it just depends on the the codec that you can shoot in right most of what we're going to talk about here is photo based um but in in that comparison there's nothing that matches the dynamic range of the human eye that I'm aware of um but I think they said like iPhones if you want to measure it somewhere they're like 10 to 12 stops but this is this is really where this will come now that comes full circle back to like the marketing portion of this this is the crazy part is that there's so much artificial you know machine learning AI stuff going on with these pictures and how they're melding everything together that it looks like what you shot but there's like a lot of things going on behind the scenes like we're starting to get to the point where it's like is that is it really a picture like what is a picture yeah in your photo I guess is a better word and is are we you know essentially we just have like a fancy dolly that is interpret you know an AI That's like interpreting our world in the way that it thinks that it should be shown because at least with the film in comparison you know the more analog what's going on you take a pic you hold up a camera then light hits which is like a film of like chemicals and it reacts and like boom and what it saw is like what physically got ingrained into it but then you take it through like baths of chemicals and like depending on how you do those chemicals the picture is going to turn out different yeah and there's like different chemicals you can put on it and like the different lengths of time you let them soak like that also completely changes what the picture looks like and who says that's what's really what it saw anymore yeah which I think that it's still it's still got to be closer to reality I mean we're talking about we're talking about not adding or subtracting pixels or yeah you know what I mean it's kind of like a magic box that it goes through and it just somehow that's see that's exactly it right that's that's what's happening Mystery Box no one knows what's going on because they're talking so like the Zoom features now they're like oh well it has an optical two-time zoom so that means that your camera can zoom in two times whatever its main focal length is and Optical is going to still be a true quality full quality Zoom picture yeah digital Zoom it starts to do it digitally and it crops and then you get it starts to get grainy like digital Zoom is the equivalent of like having a photo on your phone and taking your fingers and pinching to zoom in that's all it's doing yes and you're like wow look how far I can zoom in and if you're shooting at 48 megapixels you can zoom in more and more and more if you're shooting at lower megapixel count and it starts in Minecraft yeah that starts getting all blocked yeah yeah and so that's why they're also upping the megapixel count now yeah because they'll take this the phone literally does this in seconds which is you know a Marvel I think but it's still it's starting to get questionable um it literally can take a picture you you've zoomed in at this point in time it's taking a picture from multiple lenses and sensors at the same time it's then melding those pictures in front of each other and trying to see what it's where and how to align those two images and how to sharpen and you know make a crispy image that's been zoomed in past the actual focal length of this camera and then it's giving you an image that's like hey this is zoomed five times yeah yeah and there's all of his post-processing is happening and now I think Apple now calls it the photonic engine yeah

that in deep Fusion are the two things you made me uh made me sad there for a second I thought I bought the Ronin for no reason for video mode it's 11 to 12. yeah for the Nikon for video most specifically yeah okay gotcha and then the Ronin actually was 14. so there you go talked about this is a little better at its dynamic range Daniel are you familiar with the megapixel war that happened years ago bits and pieces so pretty sure Cole knows about this right I'm sure I've paid a lot of attention to this yes so more backup access yeah there's a while where people thought and manufactures like higher number means better which not really the case no but like think about anything across Tech in general yeah you know what I mean bigger battery a big number oh the the new you know the two is better than the one the the 8K is better than the 4K and you know what the 12K next and it's like it's like all the people that went out and bought AK TVs including my father and there's no 8K content nope not a single one still to this day but also just down that whole rabbit hole it's like quality and quantity have never been synonymous like correct in the history of the world like it can be but not always usually whenever it's Associated to something you're paying money for you get what you pay for so yeah and uh in megapixels isn't really that different is it is there a quality of megapixel so the issue is you can think of a pixel like a bucket and its job is to catch light and you know if you have a bigger bucket you're going to catch more light and but if you also have more Pockets you will catch more light so if you just cram as many buckets as you can but in the same size area so like a 12 megapixel bucket versus 48 megapixel megapixel make a sickle try to save megapixel eight times faster and if you uh make a pixel make a pickup just more buckets but in the same area they're going to be smaller buckets and they're individually going to collect smaller amounts of light and so that's going to be a less precise image it's gonna look noisy so it's going to look like a whole bunch of differences in color and so early on in the megapixel War a lot of Those sensors didn't look very good even though they had the higher number and so this is what Apple has learned from so a lot of the the photos you're going to get out of these new iPhones won't be the full 48 megapixels because you're going to be doing the bending and that's just going to be taking four of the buckets or eight or whatever they chose and treat them as a single one so you have more data but less actual pixels so it's like cutting it in half instead of being like 24 by 10 it'll be 12 by five and it'll be like simulating a lower megapixel count but a bigger sensor yeah it's like a big old quilt and then each like quilts made up of the squares so like if every single Square was like just a like a gradient of color it's going to like take groups of four and whatever like three out of the four says it's going to make all four of those the same similar color so that way instead of your grade like your your quilt just having a bunch of like little what we call noise in this case it's like you know here's four and squares three are orange and one's just blue it's gonna be like that blue one shouldn't be there so now all four orange and then it'll do that for the whole image or for the whole quilt until like it actually starts to look more accurate to the image there's less noise it's more detailed and there's less like noise is basically artificial data or or lost data like there's there's nothing to replace it with so it's helping artificially replace those elements until it looks more accurate and so smartly Apple has taken a long time to move to a bigger sensor and now per usual they're uh they like to be alive so they can say they did it first yeah they wait till everybody forgot it's been done before and then they say hey remember this thing it's awesome we did it dude what if they came out with a uh like the little uh disposable cameras and they're like hey because you guys never seen anything like this we need the Apple disposable camera this is amazing you know everybody has all these digital things you can have them forever what if what if life was fleeting what if you enjoyed them moment what if you had a disposable camera 300 and I'll give him ideas 2.99 yeah don't give him ideas but this is the thing it's like it'd look cool you know it everybody wants to just stop at the number of megapixel which again it's because it's been hyped yes but there's so many other factors um do yourself a favor look up sensor sizes you know a even though you're packing in all these megapixels into the sensor on the phone they're still I mean on the Nikon z7 it's a 48 megapixel camera big boy yeah but the sensor itself is about three almost four times larger than the sensor in your cell phone bigger area more light exactly better picture more data all the data so it's like you can you're gonna people are gonna say they'll be like oh my phone's got the same megapixel count as this it's just as good yeah but in this uh in this world of cameras size does matter so why is it in Daniel's case where he could take his phone and say and it's the exact same situation for you you have a much better phone than him and you have a better camera than him and both of them are better and you both Point At The Moon how come the phone still looks better whenever you plug it in your computer or airdrop it to your computer like why does your phone still look better than the Nike Cons with its same megapixels and its bigger bins yeah so what the manufacturers do is they they make sure that all of these things are working together because they they control the whole thing most of it between the screen and the camera and all the stuff they're like hey we're gonna pack in all this date detail and we're going to over sharpen the crap out of this image and we're gonna do all these things and screens are one of those things that I'm trying to think of how to say this but screens are one of those things that kind of work the same way as a sensor it's like to a certain degree you know when you you can still pack as many pixels into a small screen as you can a large screen as between cell phones and TVs but pixel density is the thing that comes into play and when you take a screen and you still have a 4K resolution but you squeeze it into six inches and then diagonal you know that density is going to help make things look better and crisper so the density plus all the software and everything looking good in between everything you're going to pull up that Moon shot on your phone and you're gonna be like this is good yeah this looks great and then as soon as you pull it up on a screen that's anything bigger than 13 inches and you're gonna go the image is gonna start falling apart yeah and that's exactly why Instagram is a 1080 by 1080 square that gets shoved onto your phone and everybody goes wow that looks great even though those images are compressed and blown to crap knows that the everyday Joe is going to be picking up this phone pointing at something press the button once and done they are doing everything in their uh control to make sure that you get a great photo every time whereas you hand someone an icon Z6 tell them to take a photo they're going to get a really crappy photo probably like nine times so that's what I was actually gonna ask do you know what your settings are when you shot at the moon at night do you know any of your settings on your actual camera on my actual camera maybe I had lowered things so that I could get it um just better with the lighting so did you shoot handheld yeah okay that's part of it so so there you know how low your shutter was my shutter or throw them on the spot yeah it's that's okay this was like weeks ago so I think it was like shutter speed was like 150. yeah so I mean the point to me is like like there are times and places that a phone is better and a lot of that has to do with convenience and also where is it being distributed like he said it's Instagram and mostly Instagram is limited to 1080 or yeah 1080p for photos and videos Facebook I think is 7 20 for live streaming and then like which is a whole other bit rate reason for why you wouldn't use that but it's like even with all that an actual camera can shoot better quality of image but if you don't have your settings right or take the time to do it in post like a lot of that work your image will never compare with what the phone is because if you're just like I shot it on my camera but I'm gonna upload it it's probably like you're probably better off shooting on your phone but there are showcases where you know where time and quality do make a difference and I think maybe that was something that you wanted to touch on a little bit yeah yeah so we I you know I wanted to get through some of the technical stuff because we are all pretty Technical and I thought it would be fun to kind of talk about that's okay hey Daniel I'm learning I'm being honest yeah that's part of it right yeah we didn't just wake up one day and do all this stuff I mean it kind of had and I've done more editing than shooting yeah so it was literally like years of watching YouTube and I would watch the same videos over and over again explain yeah aperture ISO shutter and like uh White bounce and all this stuff and I would watch these videos over and over and over again I'd get so frustrated because it would be I would like quiz myself and I'd still get them confused and then sometimes I still will say the wrong thing but I know what I'm thinking and as long as you know what you're thinking and you know what's right you're fine as an operator yes until you have to start working with other people and you're like do this I was like what but then the nice thing is if you work with somebody else that knows what they're doing you can say it and they're like yeah I know what you mean yeah yeah for sure and when I first met you I didn't know anything about this stuff like that's the reason why I I wanted to help you because like I knew all this stuff and you knew all that stuff and we both like kind of needed each other to understand what's going on I thought I knew video too and when we got together I learned I knew nothing about it well at the dynamic range of knowledge there's also like there you go uh the difference of like what like you said dynamic range of knowledge it's like there's different sectors even within the same field so like we have we work alongside with people that will refer to aperture as Iris which is technically not wrong it's just a different industry refers to it that way it's a that's more of like television Studio stuff but cinematography in Hollywood would usually refer to that as aperture which I'm not from a Hollywood set so I assume they do yeah right based on what I understand and it's like there's a a lot of colloquial terms that come up on Productions that's based on what region you're in and what type of people you've worked with so it's like if you know what you're doing in your competent content uh words become a little more Universal and ambiguous at the same time yeah yeah so to wrap up the technical segment then we'll get to your value um the we one of the things we talked about was HDR I think that got brought up so um this brings everything back around to dynamic range Tristan's story about kind of standing underneath the tree and seeing the Shadows under the tree and then the the sun is kind of blown out behind it because it's trying to expose for all those different lights when you take a picture with your phone most the time now it's going through and it's artificially jamming a bunch of images together it takes like 12 images at once it starts finding all the highlights and shadows from all those images and it shoves everything together to give you an image and you can a lot of times if you take a picture and then go straight to your gallery you can watch this process happen yeah it'll have like a little loading screen or your image is just like really blurry and then all of a sudden it's like it's like wow that looks way better than it did 10 seconds ago and I think we're all I think we're all becoming very numb to the HDR effect it's it's it's a newer process to a certain degree but I think we're starting to be able to just kind of like glance over it but before it was like that is the pixel started it how much was your phone your Samsung your foldy boy and did it and did it have did it have it as a feature have what HDR yeah yeah and how much was that phone I was almost two grand how long ago uh a year and a half in your new iPhone 1400 yeah uh the new pixels I think whenever they came out were like 300 and that was like one of the newer ones that like my point is phones are the quality of it is getting better for all phones but like even the cheapest phones are have it to the point that everybody's kind of numb to it like if you're getting a phone within the last two years no matter how cheap it is it probably had it in some form yeah the quality of it differs the two grand phone the thousand dollar phone and my 150 dollar phone it's like all of them do it but I guarantee it's at a different quality and that has to do with like the sensor like you're talking about has to do with the glass and the lens it has to do with the post processing the stabilization develops so it's like all those things but everybody's probably experienced it in some way or even if you're like you're walking around somebody's like hey can you take a photo of me and my family and then you're like and then she starts spending you're like do I take another it's like what's it doing and it used to be kind of The Uncanny Valley type thing you would see an image and you're like there's no way that you can get that sky bows perfectly I could see the blue I can see the clouds I can see the hills in the distance and then I can see every tree branch underneath this non-lit shadow of a tree so everything is evenly lit evenly exposed and that is where High dynamic range comes into play yeah it takes it takes a bunch of processing power all these different methods and uses and it makes an image that essentially is one plane of light and Shadow and it's not limited to phones either because that's the manual process for a long time yes the the AI processor machine learning process of doing this is a new thing and it's called computational photography um there is a whole list essentially what these companies do they give the computer a list of things to do and it says you're going to take this image you're going to find the face and you want to make sure this face is exposed and so it goes in and it's like okay face needs to be exposed this is the main subject it finds that it knows that that needs to be sharp in Focus exposed enough that you can see it so it's not in the Dark of The Shadow and then it takes like 10 or 12 images all the different light levels and it takes all those and it squishes them into one file and it says this is what I think it should look like based upon what I've been taught yeah and that's your that's your image now and that's a robot yeah and that's a robot so so this is a real human what was one of the first rules I taught you about exposure do you exposure do you remember oh gosh what do we exposed for we expose for the um the subject exposed for the subject yeah and after a hundred years of film and photo a robot can finally do it to a certain degree yes to a very certain degree because there's times where we break the rule but yeah well I mean there's certain times that the the technology itself doesn't understand yeah yeah it's it's weird sometimes because like I took a video one time and actually like I put in my portfolio for when you guys hired me um but like the way my I set up my phone on a stand and it shot myself with like a beautiful like cloudless day and it exposed me but it also exposed the background for like rather than like having a blown out sky it was blue like my sister when I showed it to my sister she's like is that a green screen because it looked fake it was very blurry image too yeah so that's yeah so that's exactly what we're talking about that is an HDR image that's that's did you have it on a tripod did you say I had a gimbal okay so I mean that's and and all the they are doing that with video now as well so you're seeing that across everything now it's not as good no but it's much harder to do exactly because it's a lot of photos yeah because of the photo you can set it up you have like five minutes ten minutes to make sure everything's right and then you can get the shot and in the video just like like what are you trying to do it yeah even with phones it just says hold still and it takes like depending on the phone some are faster than others it's like like half to three seconds it just says hold still and it's like no tripod no gimbal it's just like yeah this is probably good enough you got you got Parkinson's it'll probably still work it doesn't mind oh my gosh but here's the thing video no forgiveness at all you start wiggling even a little bit it's like yeah no I can't do anything with this footage and then it'll just send out a little shaky cam which is why they started offering in-camera stabilization and digital stabilization and all that yep and now on the iPhones they have sensor shifting so the sensor itself is actually shifting inside of your phone to stabilize itself which works until you're on a motorcycle or something vibrating which is now why they have what is it sport mode or something like that yeah okay and what they do there is they crop in a lot yes because then you can really stabilize the image after the fact because you can move inside the image you already took which is what action cameras have been doing for years yep hey I'm gonna expose this to all our clients as I suppose is that why you're uh is that why all the iPhone footage I get from you for real estate shoots has a little Sun lens flare in it oh there's a DOT so that is specifically just how the glass is manufactured how it's set up within the lens system it is the lens in the iPhone but I think I thought the reason it shifts so much aside from like the actual you know orientation of the Sun or the light into the lens moving I thought it actually had to do with the sensor shifting and that had to do in addition to the sun in relation to the camera and all that it also added the movement to it uh not that I'm aware of I mean it just it moves like any other right camera with the sun flare and I'm usually not gonna lie I'm usually like ooh sunflare and I try to get it yeah just kind of put your hand over a little bit yeah I'm just like it looks pretty um except for the dot that we talked about this the iPhone and Infamous iPhone dot that it gets from light yeah it's super noticeable on an IMAX screen do you remember we went to 48 hours and I was like iPhone yeah I found at the 48 Hour film challenge when we submitted we went up and watched ours on the big screen and it looked awesome because the ronin's awesome and there's nothing wrong with getting your start with a with a simpler camera but not at all it's really cool whenever you can just see someone's camera and you're like Ari or red you know cell phone footage

but I think I think we're saying we're saying all of this to say that first off we do we do possess the technical knowledge to understand why these things work the way they do and we understand that there are applications for these things yeah fully there's sometimes the phones work great we found that the iPhone video it works really well with limitations with limitations and they tick me off because I'm the one that usually I know parts of them out and and that's being able to set a setting and forget it not forget it but set a setting and tell the camera what to do is one of the largest things now there's apps out there that'll that can help you with that but you also then have to have that knowledge yeah of what what does the combination of shutter ISO aperture what do all these things do well then you have to have the knowledge of the app too you have to learn a whole piece of software correct the settings but there's a reason you haven't started shooting with the filmic pro on the iPhone I gotta learn the software first yeah and were you know we show up to a job and it's time to get it done so why why do you need to learn it for the iPhone if it's so expensive and fancy what's what's filtering Pro do that your phone can't do natively what's the main reason yeah so there is an app called filmic Pro it's f-i-l-m-i-c-pro you have to buy this app and I think it's 30 or 40 bucks it's not cheap um when it comes to apps but it is it gives you full control over your camera and that is changing the codec um changing your resolution and your frame rate and your uh you can't change aperture and that's not variable but you can lock but you can you can change your uh your ISO and your shutter and your temperature I mean you can your white balance you can change all of these things manually which is why we shoot with what we shoot with these are all settings you're familiar with when you bring up your Nikon or the Ronin yeah these are things we tweak every day when we shoot a subject and they're the things that the iPhone hides for the everyday user because you don't need to worry about them and that's why we like having our actual camera cameras versus shooting everything on iPhone take it take a picture on our cameras we can then put it through our own process and tweak it to exactly what we need it to do imagine showing up on set with your camera and leaving it on auto for the whole thing every shoot oh that would be awesome it's so hard to edit later every single image is different the client's like what that button do like I don't know I've never touched it before it's like the shutter he's like I knew everything through the phone and I just leave it on I don't even know but it's funny because on the other side of the coin like I pick up a phone and I I know what I want I know how to get there but it won't allow me to do so ah it's blocking it it's kind of like using like a mold like shape to make clay versus like actually hand doing it yourself yeah yeah exactly I kind of think that's a good example why learn how to make hamburgers when we can go down to McDonald's and buy one yeah that's true though and once you know how to make one you don't really want a McDonald's hamburger no no you want to have that control you want to have like your precise sear on the Patty it's you know 2 A.M nothing else is open I want something quick convenient that is fast and I don't have to think about it and it's like that's McDonald's and it's going to be fantastic but if you there's like there's certain people they're like I refuse to eat out because it's like I want to make all the food myself because I know it's healthier and it's better for me it's like yeah that's really time intensive that's awesome that you have the opportunity to do that not everyone gets to do that McDonald's hasn't put that out of business it's just become more specialized and that's why we exist we exist to fill that gap of that special you know very particular Twist on things yeah you know you can't just take a photo with the iPhone that's our goal Triflix is what we want to be the Capital Grille of videos the Gordon Ramsay videos there you go you everyone else where would you guys say we are if Gordon Ramsay is the goal where would you guys say we're at right now uh I don't know man Capital girls pretty bougie man I know it's no Hell's Kitchen but uh I don't know I'm uh I think we're a mama Corollas right now level I feel like that's where we are I could see that we're good I don't think that's bad yeah dude mama Corollas is the sweet spot if you're up in Indy you want some good food Mama curl is that's a free shout out we'll come shoot a commercial we're getting exchange for some pasta yeah no I I'm there with that did you have you been up there yet yeah many a Time have you had the parents like Good Morning Mama's next door there for breakfast brunches it's I've been there once yes highly recommend too far north for me uh but anyways so that's where we are yes yes yes uh but yeah so there's I know there was a lot of technical stuff so hope hopefully we didn't lose you but it is all to say that uh there's applications for both and we're hoping to be able to use our knowledge base to be able to help you use your device at its fullest potential and that's that's recommending things like filmic Pro if you're really trying to take your video to the next level you do have a very powerful device in your hands that you pay a lot of money for that you can put to work for you in different ways and and it just takes a little bit of knowledge to be able to push that further and now being where we are at like I can barely take a picture with my phone and like it really it's I don't buy a phone for the camera I honestly like if it didn't come with the lens I wouldn't be super mad really yeah dude I have I never shot more video outside of work than when I bought my phone because they offer it's it's got two lenses on it I've never had a phone okay talking photo specific I don't shoot photos I'm not a video game I don't like I don't I think photos are silly because it's like I don't know I love it yeah photos are silly it only helps I pay for other people's lives it's fair like there's there's a use for them I just don't use them I don't post things to social media so it's like what do I use photos for that a video wouldn't do right shopping list so it's like oh I actually use Monday now thanks to you I use I use a business oriented uh project management software for my groceries I love it but uh hilarious I just I don't know I I get a photo and it's like oh this is cool what am I Ever Gonna Do With It yeah and because I don't use social media really anywhere at all I'm not gonna post it anywhere the only thing that I do is like working on house projects or I'll go out with date night with my wife or like we've been going to the uh hospital and stuff for her uh checkups and stuff I'll just grab my phone out throw it on wide angle and I shoot everything a wide angle now because it's like it looks fine I can crop in later if I don't like it it looks good enough and it's like I'll just start capturing 10 second moments that I would have otherwise just never got because my old phone while it looked fine the zoomed in lens just always ticked me off because it never actually showed me enough yeah and now it's like I just want it for the memory I don't want it for anything else I just want something quick and fast I'm not bringing my Ronin you know I get it to date night and I'm not like convenient sake that convenience and it's like to me while I wouldn't shoot a professional video with anything other than the Ronin now because it's so convenient yeah it's so much more convenient I'm on Cole's side I uh I was pouring myself a Guinness about two weeks ago and I had a frosty glass I took out of the freezer and I was like oh that looks really cool because all frosting had the head and everything so I took a picture of it with my iPhone and then I spent like 20 minutes messing with the settings to make it look right that doesn't look out then like there we go and like raising up the shadows and crushing everything yeah and it's ruined me you guys have ruined me taking photos and it really does depend on like what you wanting to capture like if you're wanting to capture memories with your wife like 10 seconds that's that's a beautiful thing about it but if you wanted to capture like something like artistic in that sense like what David was talking about because like I did a similar thing I was I had like a Gold Peak tea and the light was going through it it just perfectly so I like angled my phone just to capture one quick image of it now you could like argue that you want to like shoot a whole Gold Peak Marshall like that and yeah that could be cool too but I think it's also a preferred medium type thing yeah exactly I prefer video over photo in general like that's do you know why I prefer photo over video do you want you want to know I actually do want to know why do you prefer it because the quality is unmatched um what do you consume it on like on your phone all the above okay all the above and that's the thing that's the thing is I can take a 24 megapixel photo and even if I down sample to 12 or 8 it's still a beautiful crisp just frame of time that's my that's my issue like if if video could match that quality I would probably use it more but it just doesn't match I can't get it to match that with our current Hardware that's the thing as well is like you can now whatever image you capture you can frame that like you said and hang it up in your house and see like every day and appreciate it for what it is yeah whereas like I mean I guess Tristan could have like 10 second gifts hanging up around his house would be really cool literally that's where the [ __ ] is going great that's what the YouTube channel was started on was like my memories doggy poop and I'm well aware of it and my grandpa God love him he's his memory is not so great either and I'm probably on my way in that direction so it's like I I'm well aware of it and I wanted to start vlogging and making videos with my friends because those were things that mattered to me see there's your there's go back and watch him I don't remember making any of this stuff like I don't have any memory outside of the thing that I created I'm like wow I gotta do that see there's your problem yeah you haven't tested it you know what I mean you haven't put your you haven't stretched your brain muscles your memory muscles like I can look at a photo and know what was happening in that moment you know what I mean like Beyond oh I can delete the video my last photo I took is not the last is a parking ticket I could tell you what it was because because I got a photo of that and then I have a photo of where my car was parked because I didn't think I should have got that ticket and you sent me a message about it yeah and so I guess photos for me is I usually just use them to send off to other people because I can't the bandwidth won't let me send videos for you and and this is the thing right this is this is where we're flip-flopped photos for you is utilitarian yeah it's a it's a quick memory device it's fast and you use it in that way and that's what I use video for oh really video for me is more of a utilitarian device if I need to capture something more than just a single frame then I will use video but it's like when my kid is doing something really cool it's funny I'll be more apt to grab my camera and want to just like burst some photos out and get that memory and it's it's really interesting like just what I'm thinking about as are you trying to capture a story are you trying to tell a story and like with photo you get the opportunity call to later tell stories about those images you've captured you get to tell stories about your daughter and like what she was doing in those moments to the people you share the story share those photos with and Tristan you get to tell the stories by making those videos yeah like that's what you get to do and it's like Cole's gonna put as much care and craft into like those photos of his daughter but you're gonna put as much Karen Craft into the videos you're capturing of your wife and hopefully like one day like you could put him into a montage yeah and stuff like that yeah that's what I've been shooting the whole house videos Instagram photos they usually have like a description afterwards to talk about hey we went on a trip like we went on your fall trip or whatever you took all your pictures you usually have a little thing that like describes what the heck was going on why you were taking pictures of it like what you know it adds to the context of it whereas a video you really don't need to do that because most of the time that will be within it and like that's another thing that's like about quality is like I took a bunch of videos when I went to Colorado and then that amazing like quality but it is it does tell the story I'm trying to tell of like my experience in Colorado it reminds me and it takes me back to there whereas a lot of the photos I took are much better quality and they really do capture the moments for what those moments were to me the hybrid between photo and video where it's like macro slow-mo stuff of like epoxy where it has like all these glitter and like different colors and it's all like moving around and blending that could be maybe a hybrid that you two could do see I think honestly like I watched this video that this director or editor I think he was a mixture of the two he shoots all of his stuff on red and he edit it shoots everything in raw so he's shooting raw uncompressed um it's a 12K video so I mean we're talking crazy big files like this is not an everyday attainable thing you know we're talking to fifty thousand hundred thousand dollar camera with computers to match and reference monitors I mean he's doing all of this stuff he's gonna have to have a lot of storage as well I mean this is some crazy stuff but his dynamic range is is on par with my photo stuff and if I could have that sort of control I would probably want to do more of it but that's all uh you know that's there's a lot of steps and a lot of things that have to be checked off a box for me to be able to do that so you want to you want to get the extra SSD for the run and start shooting raw I definitely do I would love to be able to do that like I could definitely actually start grading the footage if we did that I would love to I would because I I would pay the grand if you'd start grading did you have no idea like I sat there when I did my daughter's photos the other day I just it was a nice day and sometimes you gotta flex your you know your muscle well you just gotta I mean yes it sounds funny but yes but it's like you have to even though we do it for work you still sometimes have to do it creatively just to stay in the mindset and so being able to go out and play with light and play with your shutter and your aperture on different lenses and just kind of like understand how it works in a very low stakes environment I think helps helps to benefit as you go further yeah I was just gonna say speaking of play with aperture and play with light maybe we should talk about some other plays

it's cute I love it on words have it a little yeah have a little play action he was pointing at me for those of you who are not watching I was just like is that I do and what did I say I'm uh you may be looking at it from uh as a listener and looking down at the time but uh I think you're well aware it's time to talk about a sponsor yes it is oh my gosh okay David actually Daniel do you have this pulled out I do have a pull-up would you like to read it uh we're reading on this side of the room today I think it's time we're gonna test out your reading skills because Tristan failed last week hey dude you biffed already today on yours you had one little chop so we talked about Blaze and if you ever want to see really cool plays you look up passion for acting Theater Company what's up yeah it's pretty cool which we still need to have our representative on which we're talking about doing and we'll be able to expand upon that she can come on when she finishes editing her photos boom oh so passion for acting theater company has a passion for bringing excellent and entertaining Live Theater to the to audiences in Bartholomew County passion for acting theater company created in 2018 performs dinner theater productions for the terrific and electric Willow thieves of Hope on the Square in Hope Indiana I hope um I know stay hopeful I hope we can get through this ad in their first production The Miracle Worker was a huge success and received great reviews from the audience members since then Passover acting theater company has performed 10 shows ranging from comedies like the kitchen witches and The Odd Couple to drama and suspense like the original Murder Mystery Angel Street to Classic children's literature like the secret garden and Anne of Green Gables the next show will be Kalamazoo a comedy about what happens to older folks who try to get into the online dating scene Kalamazoo was will be performed at will Elites of Hope in February just in time for a Valentine's date look at that or to laugh with the winter Blues Away enjoy a delicious dinner and a great night of entertainment at willow leaves of Hope down down their phone is eight one two three four one seven two five one now call now to make reservations for this Laugh Out Loud Comedy no no no I was not ready to read a phone number so you're like nope somebody like somebody else I love it I was like that's gonna be wait too have you ever seen a uh Glenn Ross the movie or whatever it is um with Alec Baldwin yeah yeah yeah yeah ABC buddy yeah always be closing yeah coffee tour closers podcast is for closers there you go you want to come on the podcast you gotta you gotta rack out them projects and David's been or Daniel Andy we've both been racking them out this week okay we've got we've got a fun segment coming up before that let me just wrap up our conversation here um if you stuck around for that whole thing thank you I hope you learned something this is this is something we're super passionate about uh that's why we're doing what we're doing and so our main point of telling everyone this uh we hope to be able to help on the educational side if you guys have any questions or anything we'd be happy to help um to put those phones to good use but otherwise if you want someone to point a big old camera at uh at your subject we can do that and use our fancy knowledge and Technical ability knowledge knowledge New Orleans um I don't know sorry but yeah hopefully you learned something so now you can learn something probably real odd um we uh gosh you know what's funny thanks for coming guys oh yeah we got a couple things would have found this and we're skipping over the one thing okay um the fun thing about this segment is we forgot to name it um it's a fun segment this is fun this is this not how it takes the wheel of hot takes yeah sure let's call it that yeah

so we we have a uh and all here let's uh let's I don't know how to do this here we go nope nope

he just says Nope for the next three minutes

I didn't set it up that's fine um next time yeah it's actually here somebody somebody talk about the segment explain it real fast all right I can talk about it if we want uh it says fun segment click here to spin

sat down we came up with a segment today I'm pretty sure so yeah and we're thinking of um how Tristan and I in the office sometimes we like to talk about and have a little uh discussion about things that really don't matter yeah and it's just really fun to do that and sometimes it annoys Cole and you're like well what if we turn that into a segment so so we had a list well have like really weird things to argue about and you have you spin the wheel and whatever you land on you have to argue that for like a minute if we're gonna give the backstory we gotta give it all the way my wife is addicted every other week every other ready now she finds something new that she's she's in love with and right now she's going on a Rhett and Link Good Mythical Morning podcast

it's a great podcast by the way just in case you don't know they're one of the latest ones yeah they were big enough to buy Smosh so they're they're doing well and they have a segment where they throw throw darts at a dartboard and well they throw darts at a map and then they have to guess where the food is and they have to throw the dart to the country closest and they measure it it's a whole game and I was like we should throw some chance we should throw some element of fate into the podcast uh I was like well we don't really have a way of throwing a dartboard but what else could we introduce and then the idea of spinning a wheel came up and it's like all right so what do we put on it and then as David says we usually find dumb things to argue about and I thought it would be really fun if uh if we force people to argue about things use this analogy real quick just like when when Tristan tries to go full circle on something it doesn't it's never a circle it usually looks like a Candyland board it goes all over the place okay yeah yeah and then we finally get back to the right point but at the end of the day we're here this is the wheel of fate of the wheel of forcing arguments uh we should I did like that we did not talk about this beforehand but I do like the timing of it so just someone want to put a timer out there what should we do a minute David said a minute I'd like a minute I think a minute it's good just enough you can do two minutes probably since this is the first time we can slowly lower a minute it's already kind of long a minute some of these are pretty wacky okay so I'm gonna hit play for those of you watching on the YouTube channel you will be able to see the wheel as it spins so yep I'm gonna spin this so that person goes first as well that's the person that's the Creator

it's really just because it's web-based is the problem

okay we got why David needs a raise yes okay okay so we are we are arguing against David getting a raise but Tristan's gonna try to convince us otherwise yeah so count us in David all right three two one go okay David shouldn't get a raise wait no you're arguing for oh okay

uh honestly David's a great guy he's been working hard for the company longer than anyone else including the co-founder so I feel like in a way he deserves a little bit more stake in the company if we won't give him percentage maybe we should just give him a raise so he won't try to take a percentage I really have to say I don't really do much like I I have no idea who I'm doing half the time I just kind of make it up and then I just send you an invoice yeah the way he talked to me earlier yesterday or yesterday would would argue the fact that he doesn't not deserve a race but the fact that he's so diligent in putting in his numbers accurately on his own accord shows that he is responsible enough to handle a race I don't even remember what I do I just look at our messages and like oh that probably took me an hour and a mad times I hear beeping coming from the server these days it's like him as an I.T guy all right here's the thing I want to finish on this David when you first started here you had a lot to do and you may not do a lot now but I think that's because as your title States efficiency manager you have become so efficient you've obsoleted yourself so in a way I feel like you deserve raise to compensate for how good you are at your job all right I think because I have half of this decision I just know we're at an impasse which means a note I tried all right Daniel oh yeah okay are you ready all of us I hope so you guys

nope but there's 23 different things to pick from that we came up with Originals yes so you are going to argue for why you should keep your passwords on a sticky note on your desk oh it's just it's so convenient it's right there next to your keyboard it's what I'm looking at half the time anyway because I can't type fast and so it's like boom I ever need a password no need to copy paste who knows how to do that anyway it's right there I can just type in word by word letter by letter I can't agree with them more to be honest however it's ready for today LastPass is like three dollars a month and I think it's free if you have it on one like phone or three dollars a month well it's free if you only have it on one type of device so it will store all your passwords and put them in automatically for you like I have to go on my phone like it's like I have to do all this it's like it's right there if you're on Google Chrome there's built-in password manager it's free yeah it's gonna be on your phone and it'll prompt you

I have multiple sticky notes and I press down hard enough when I write it the first time so it leaves an impression so you take the first one I still have it secretly there how many accounts do you have do you have like 20 different sticky notes I have two I've never agreed with you more in my life oh my gosh yeah I'm just gonna set your whole sticky note thing on fire and then oh now you can't log in yeah yeah or I'm just going to log in his bank

ask me all right it's my turn David all right here we go

I hope I get the reason

you're gonna argue for why the new Star Wars movies are better than the old ones uh Newark New Star Wars I mean has a female protagonist I mean it really needs to be better representation she's very strong lead she has a great journey going on the way she finds a lightsaber and that's awesome I love lightsabers I mean who doesn't I prefer the older ones I think the older movies are better because they are much more male heavy yeah well that's not very well soon first of all that she's a male what she's a female yeah I assume she was a male which is which is why I didn't like them I wanted it to be more Progressive but they never fully address whether or not she's male or female and like look at the prequels CGI is just horrible there like why would you even watch him oh no now they're 4K remastered on Disney Plus and like the first these sequels they haven't changed them at all so did you not like the Death Star the first two times and you preferred it the third or fourth time I mean this time they had a whole planet it's bigger it's better they have a battle right on it lightsaber battle even not enough Luke I want you to go repent for what you've just shared in the last minute that was disgusting I've never disagreed with someone more in my life well like that you genuinely disagreed it's disgusting okay I was spinning the wheel for myself now no Obi-Wan it's not like I'm a disclaimer where we say that none of these are our actual opinions they're all our opinions and we all believe that all Hyperbole and like wholeheartedly I I could not disagree with this nap time all right time for it we have to argue against you okay okay um okay you good you started yeah you already lost 10 seconds um okay so I am arguing for office nap time because I think it will help with the production level of people's day-to-day efficiency manager I agree with this no I I think he makes a valid point I think we have to agree with him office half time is the best

well here's the thing the longer the nap that's that's less time working which is better how I want to make sure that your nap time and your mental health and like your your stability throughout the day is better so I think yeah why not just start the day 10 minutes later then and then just skip Nats out

I would I would rather people nap I might want to be paid why why would you do that because I'm such a generous person I'd rather pay people to nap in the building we have bills to pay that that have to get paid we yeah we can't pay people you need to listen to your budget man he cares more about my Personnel I am so happy I'm so happy we have the soundboard bites because I get to make the promo real and I know exactly that's fantastic never felt more uncomfortable in my life oh whatever that was discussed three births

zero but I was there for three

there you go that was our first attempt at it went a lot better than the first attempt at bleeping that's true that's true but we'll perfect everything as time goes I like this yeah this is good yeah okay who would have thought because it was originally it was going to be ramblings or something like that yeah some incoherent ramble is like our normal episode which is kind of what it turned into but uh yeah I like it we're gonna find a way to monetize it but yeah it was the one minute was that too long too short I think it was just I think a minute Thirty like I think we can go just 30 seconds more because it takes a good 10 seconds to figure out what you want to say it may be 30 second prep time and then a minute argument time all right good yeah one second breath yes it gives you gives you time to like line up some zingers in there we can figure this out later let us know in the comments you guys like just us winging a podcast trying to figure it out as we go because that was the last two seasons go check those out we got one more segment today guys we're gonna talk about what we always talk go out at the end of the podcast we're gonna talk about our weekly tip and this week we talked about microphones and better audio microphones which I think I think our podcast audio is a great example of good audio because how else would you hear all the crunches every time I eat a snack yeah or the of my of my my wetness of my mouth um it is because we are all using uh sure mv7s and they are Dynamic mics they're used for live performances slash audio

well there's a very long explanation that's very technical and they compare it to a condenser mic and it's all things that I don't fully understand ah perfect um there you go that's a dynamic mic further join a bag of Doritos push the microwave further

ASMR I was just uh good yeah there you go mute him okay okay uh on on this week's tip uh Daniel helped me here we put together a bunch of mics all the mics that we have in the office pretty much and we talked about applications for those mics and the different types so we talked about the dynamic mic which is what we're using currently these shirts we talked about shotgun mics which we have three of um and those are just very directional yes we use those a lot for interviews more stationary they're very sensitive um different quality as well yes so again this is one of those things it's kind of like we were talking about like cameras and sensors and things like sometimes more money does mean more better it's true and you know depending upon the the uh the way that you're putting your art in front of someone um of course because you know I can use a very fancy camera and shove an image out on Instagram and it's still going to crush it Something's Gonna look nice don't get me wrong but still it's gonna be nowhere near the quality it is straight out on the computer but same way with microphones yeah uh we we actually swapped our mics from the season two in part of season three I think we swapped new microphones in still shares still the same type of microphone is still a dynamic microphone but it is of lesser quality but it is specifically for what we do so sometimes using you know using a microphone for its correct application can make all the difference it really is and we actually get a lot of compliments on the podcast that we have good audio Yeah and uh we all frequent podcasts so ever every once in a while I like to pull ours up just to listen to the goodness that is our podcast crispiness of voices crispiness of that and the chips um and the chips so so we talked yeah so we talked about the dynamic mics the shotgun microphones and lav mics or lavalier mics we didn't actually use a lava mic on the or in the video I mean um so that that is that is technically not so we so we have DJI mics and they are they have a filter and microphone in the um the transmit the transmitters yes um it's not technically a lav mic you know that's usually a independent microphone that plugs into that system and that's the one that comes in we just didn't do correct it Clips on the shirt or there's there's different a lot of sometimes like if you're fancy you tape it in between your chest there's there's other places to put it to conceal it it's great for concealing um especially for wireless microphones things like that so we we touched on it but we didn't technically use one in the shot um but we we put all these to the test and kind of talked about application for these different things and you can you can hear the difference between everything it all sound good just in different ways well so yes but the ntg5 is still that's our shotgun microphone of choice for high quality uh type things because we have a like a shotgun mic from deity that is a smaller compact system that is great for Run and Gun if you want to throw it on top of the camera and just have your subject talked without having to mic up or move any equipment you can just kind of throw everything together other really quickly which we also have a rode shotgun mic that we don't ever use it's here just in case it's one that I bought a while ago and has no shielding inside of it because of the price which introduces interference so we don't use that one so yeah yeah thanks for tuning in for this segment tips and chips yeah that's it I guess please tell us please tell us yeah how much you like the chips during the tips does it make it more interesting no yeah um but yeah so you know we think I'm not stopping there but um I think that there's with audio it's just like anything else um this is another way this is this is the capability of kind of pushing Beyond what's there you can you can use your phone and there's audio processing and there's all these things going on and they're canceling out background noise which is great but the size of your microphone the the type of microphone the quality of the materials and and the way that they build them it really also does depend on the content you're wanting to produce if you want a atmospheric shot where you're getting in the noises that are surrounding your subject and all that jazz like a shotgun mic can still pick up stuff like that you may need to pick up some Folly in other places and stuff like that but it still picks up around the subject if you want just the subject yourself something that Clips on them is always best and everything behind them as we found out with a water fountain yes yes everything behind them yeah

yeah you'll notice in that one but yeah Edward and audio is a whole other beast and you guys you guys will find that out too if you're doing any of that work it's just it's a whole other thing to add on top of thinking about the image of what you're shooting and trying to make the audio good as well I wish that we could just there's a whole art to it there's like photos and video there is and I have much respect for anybody out any audio Engineers out there so we know we've now kind of gotten in contact to a semi sound professional guy now oh he's more than semi yeah he's a he's a full truckload full truckload yeah we need to have him on sometime we need to do that we needed we need an expert he just critiques our whole setup right yeah I know right can I can I make a segment real quick no good this week's recommendation is uh is uh Sunday conversations with uh Caleb Preston or Presley or whatever if you've never seen those podcasts go check them out they're like three minutes long and they're amazing that's my that's my segment I'm going to start plugging channels that everyone already knows about that's what I'm doing I've did it it's done okay we'll have this conversation later and the segment never comes back but I did it

so we're gonna wrap it up so bed time and I'm hungry yep thank you as always for checking us out thank you Daniel for sitting in today absolutely um you're welcome anytime of course we find we told him that and he thought that we recorded on Wednesday so that's why this is the first we've got lots of fun stuff coming up we're recording another podcast very soon with a special guest and we cannot wait to get that one recorded and send it out to everybody um we've got a lot more segments and things to uh to expand upon and get better at so if you guys have any questions comments suggestions please reach out to us yeah uh we would gladly give you a shout out on the show or if you want to come on and let us know as well we'd be happy to have that discussion with you so thank you as always for listening check us out on YouTube so you can see all the silly stuff we do while we're talking and uh yeah I don't know have a great day bye bye