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and welcome.
to the Simbros Pod. Yeah. Yeah. Another episode, man. We're back at it. Episode 13. Lucky number 13? Or unlucky. We'll see. I'm Chris. I'm Kem. And together, we're the Simbros. And we're here to help you win your 20s. Famous 13s. I'm thinking James Harden, A-Rod. Friday the 13th, that's a good movie, right? You don't even see it. Yeah, but it's supposed to be good movie. I actually haven't seen it yet.
I'm lucky number. I'm sorry. Who else was number 13? You said a rod already, right? So I mean Harden is completely unlucky in the playoffs. Isn't PG 13? He we have he was 23. Okay, right? 20th. No 24 24. Yeah, yeah, Kobe. Yeah, but now he's 13 and he's couldn't be more unlucky. Yeah, who else? mean a rod 13 I feel like dude, I mean all these hotels you go to a hotel they it goes 12 for 13 for they can't it's it's crazy
It's unlucky. In some planes they don't have the 13th row. When did 13 become unlucky? No, it's been a thing. It's been a thing. Who created that though? No one created it. It's been a thing. But why? I think it's like a religious thing. Really? I forgot what it... So like on the 13th day this happened so it was just like... It's like everything kept happening 13 and then people were like, you know what, let me just not associate with it. It's like a big deal. It's like generational. Yeah, I mean I guess so. Friday the 13th everybody talks about it.
That's just the movie. No, but no, isn't Friday, like that's, isn't that a thing? Friday the 13th? It's a thing, right? But like Friday's not a bad thing. Yeah, but I guess it's lucky. What about Tuesday the 13th? Yeah, but it just, no, but it doesn't hit the same. If it's Tuesday, no one even feels No, but that's what saying. Why is Friday the bad thing now?
That's just what people, you said, that's what I'm asking. I'm trying to understand. It's not Friday, it's the 13th. I don't think so. think it is a Friday is a thing. Friday is a thing? Friday is 13th, but it's the whole thing. yeah, but it's like, oh my God, it's a Friday the 13th this month, right? People say that. Man, I don't know. Episode 13, can you believe? Oh, I can't believe 13 weeks ago, this whole thing started. Is that right? I guess that's how the math goes. Yeah. We haven't missed a week, right? Oh, hell no. Yeah.
I mean we just, we're gonna keep going. No, no, no. We literally will rain, sleet, or snow, we're gonna get an episode out.
Yeah, like Newman that one episode. That's a great episode. It's never started raining. Yeah, and then he didn't deliver the mail. Do people still deliver on rainy days now? I think they always did. He just decided not to. He's different. Yeah, maybe it's like snowing. The Newmanium. I don't know. Summer. We're deep into summer at this point. just... Are we? We're in the Bay Area. Yeah. Well, yeah. It's the same weather throughout It's actually crazy. I wake up cold. 70. Yeah, 70. 70 every day. 70. That's it. It won't get higher. It won't get higher. It might get a little bit lower.
I mean it was cold this morning. It was like windy. What is it? The coldest summer I spent is the... No, the coldest winter I spent is the summer in San Francisco. That's facts. Because you come from LA or anywhere you are, like literally anywhere else. Oh yeah. And it's 100 degrees or more than that. I think LA is like the best case scenario for summer. Everywhere else in the summer, it's either 120 in the desert in like Vegas, Phoenix.
or it's 100 % humidity on the East Coast. LA is perfect, man. It's like 95, no humidity. It's just nice out. know Well, 95, nothing is nice in 95, but at least it's It's better because it's dry. Yeah. Like it doesn't feel like 100 where you you walk outside, you start sweating. Yeah. No, I mean, you saw the Snap Memories I sent you yesterday. Well, we're to get to the internships, but like when it was...
It was 97 degrees and 100 % humidity and 90 % thunderstorms in New York. When it just starts smelling. Yes. Like what's that smell? The trash. And all the flies are buzzing around. Yeah. Yeah. So there's not too many flies here. No, not really. Air quality is pretty nice. Pretty solid. I'm just talking about like, it's not like flies, you know, they thrive in like the warm environment. It's not like cold, but it's not hot. Does San Fran even get hot? Like you said Palo Alto got hot? Palo Alto 100 % gets hot. Yeah.
It was in the hundreds a few times. really? I had no AC Palo Alto in hundreds. I was literally sitting in front of a fan for hours on end. Cold showers. And like, I'm not a cold shower guy. No. It was literally that hot because there's no AC in these Palo Alto. Oh my god. That's crazy. How do they have no AC? I know actually a lot of SF Apartments don't have AC out there. they don't. Because it doesn't get cold enough. Why would you ever, you would never need it. Wow. Wow. You would never need it. Like it might be a luxury.
I appreciate it. Yeah, we need it. Yeah. Well, we're in nice spot. Okay. This episode, we're going to talk, you know, we're in the summer, right? We just talk about it. We want to talk about, you know, some summer jobs, some internships. We have you all out there who are going through internships now want to understand how to navigate internships. We just want to share our experiences. Or our summer shop. Or if you've had some internships before, you got some funny stories we'd love to hear. Yeah. You know, because
The job world is just crazy. what you start to realize now, I'm a bit older than Cam, so I've been here a little bit longer in the corporate world, is when you get interns, when you finally get interns, you realize, oh my God, they actually don't matter. They don't matter at all. And when you're an intern, everything is so important. I need to do this. And then when you're actually working at the job, you're like, bro, we don't even expect anything from you. Just vibe.
Just enjoy it. I haven't been on the other side of it yet. Yeah, I have we have a new intern. That's so funny. It's crazy. I mean, of course I've had a big internship and I thought everything mattered. my god, I got to present myself in a certain way. I got to do things a certain way. Everything has to be on point. Everything I got to come correct. No, it doesn't matter. No. All these TikToks that I see it's just like
The intern who's really mad and made the little mistakes, dude, you're good. We gave you a fake assignment anyway. Or it's the actual intern being like, I'm trying to fake work and they're moving their mouse around and doing nothing. I've That's the dream. I understand finally when the older people were telling me, hey, bro, enjoy this. Because you're never like, OK, what are they actually saying? Because they actually have to do work. And it sucks. it's terrible. The rest, we just know there's no stakes. There really isn't. You just sit there, get there, be on time, smile.
You're pretty much fine. As long you don't bother anybody, you're good. And even if you bother somebody, people will probably appreciate a little break from work. It's an excuse for them to look away from their computer for a second. I mean, we've been working for a while, probably since at least I started working summer camps in ninth grade, maybe? What was that? 2015? Yeah, exactly. then when did you start? Because I did it year without you. You got into seventh or Maybe you did a year without me. I know I did it early.
Yeah, you did it earlier. I didn't actually get paid. I think we still paid for the camp. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You were, you were a fake counselor. I just got the in and out at the end. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. was just lit. You were the fake counselor. Oh, I'll take it. I got the in and out. That's all I, that's all I The parents paid for the camp and you were like, I'm a camp counselor. Buller's like free labor. I'll take it. Oh, man. Yeah, dude. Those times were good, man. We were, so we were doing what? Sports and games games. So it's just like.
a of different sports. Yeah, just sports and games. Football, basketball. Making sure nobody gets hurt. Yeah, dude. my God. When you're a camp counselor, actually, and especially, they you kind of a lot of responsibility for a high school kid. Like, you gotta make sure these young kids. And the school we went to. These young kids don't.
hurt themselves. Like real celebrity kids. Yeah, you saw a couple. Oh, never forget this. I'm a big Sopranos guy. And I hadn't watched it at this point. So I remember, I was literally in the middle of watching Sopranos and this kid, forgot, his name was like random. It wasn't connected to the person I'm going to say. So I wasn't thinking anything of it. They're like, oh, this kid's mom is here to pick him up. And I was like, okay, cool. I look, I see the mom.
and it's Meadow Soprano. It's Meadow Soprano. And I was like, wait, wait. Did you say anything I didn't say anything. Damn. Do you regret that? No, I don't. don't. She's picking up her kid. She doesn't want to be like, oh my god, look that picture. No, I don't think you would ask for a picture and like, hey, look at that. big fan? Yeah, a big fan. Yeah, OK, maybe. That's all I'm saying. I froze up. Because I was literally, if I saw, OK, I'm picking up.
know, Chris Gandolfini. Okay, I could take a guess. But it was like, was somebody else's last name. So I was like, whoa, like you're Meadows Alfredo. That was crazy. That was pretty fun. then ⁓ one time also Connie Britton's kid. was just randomly. Never got through that show. yeah. How was that show?
I never got, I just said I never got through it. No, but you started it. I couldn't even, I got through it up to one. It's so 2007. It's like, who cares about all this drama, man. It's all just calmed down. It's all fake too with like the drugs and the high school. I think it's not fake. don't know. Broke his back or Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Connie Britton. Interesting. Yeah. she nice? I actually didn't see her. Did I see her? She's the one who y'all show them the curve, right?
No, that's Amy Adams. okay. I always messed that up. That's not even good. But Amy Adams and I don't if it's Isla or Isla Fisher, looked the exact same. Those are the people they like, know, celebrity doppelgangers, like them too. Who else? You and whoever. Oh, Jonathan Davis. Yeah. I got into a club one time. I don't even know who that is. Me neither. just knew there was a... Okay. Backstory.
Who even is John Fiske? So one time we were, I was with some people, we were going to a club in New York and it was packed. The line was out the door. we were like, okay, we're not going to wait in line, it's going take hours. terrible. So I skipped the line, I walk up to the bouncer. I'm like, hey, I just want to keep this low key, but I'm in Outer Banks. It's okay. It's okay. I just got some people with me. If you can just let us in, we'll all be good.
Everything will be good. He's like, they're not I'm like, yeah, I am he's like show me that you're in Outer Banks I show me the trailer of you in it right now. Really? Yeah, so I showed I pull up a trailer on YouTube show it to him the black guy Jonathan Davis, I later learned his name was I did not know Black guy was in this trailer for a split second. I mean literally a split second. Yeah, perfect. It was perfect So I was like, that's me right there. He's like
That's you? I was like, yes, me. He goes to his boss. He's like, you know, started whispering to him. I can't hear him, but I'm like, look at my friends like, oh my God, is it going to work? And then the big boss comes back and he's like, all right, you five, you go. Wow. We get it, dude. Oh my God. It's funniest thing happened though. Afterwards news broke that like the guy from Outer Banks was in the club. walk out of the crew. I walk out of the club and people were asking to take pictures with me.
Because I think I'm him. And I still have some of those pictures. Oh yeah, you showed me those pictures. I didn't even know. Who even is Jonathan Davis? Dude, I didn't know what his name was. I knew there was a black guy. don't know. Also, was my whole question. Why did you say Outer Banks? No, no. Actually, I know exactly why I said him. Because I was looking through Snapchat, and it was like Jim and Fridge. And literally, that morning, Jim and Fridge, was him. I still didn't know what his name was. But I was like, oh, this black guy, this is the black guy in Outer Banks.
And was like, he has a nice haircut. Like maybe I should get my hair like that. So I guess my mind was just on him. John of the Davis. then, it worked out. That's crazy. That's crazy. Wild times. takes you back to... That was during the internship. Yeah. The internships. Okay. Summer camp. Cool. It was fun. I was glad we were making money. We were making... Honestly, it was the best money I ever made.
Really easy because we lived so close to school where it was like we would just go and work all day and we would move around they'd pay for our food and yeah, it kind of worked out. kind of was a dream. The only thing though is that like sometimes you got to deal with the kids. Yeah, you do. Yep. I remember. you had a few. I have a few, but the one I remember right now the most is so, you know, when there's the older camp counselors, you as the younger person are kind of done have to do all the grunt work and all the things they don't want to do. What year is this?
I think this is... Like was I there? Yeah, you were there. Yeah. It's just pretty much when the boss tells you he doesn't want to do something, right? And then you go do it. I think I was, I think it was 11th grade. I'm not sure, but there's this kid who has been here all the time. His name was Nicholas
and he's been going to the camp for a while. So we have a good relationship, right? You know, we always check each other in and all that stuff. You have to like take him, you know, to aftercare and all that stuff. He goes to different camps. And so he comes to me one of these days and I'm just chilling, ⁓ watching the kids. And he's like, I need to go to the bathroom. ⁓ yeah. And whatever that, whatever that happens, it's like, why are you telling me? I'm like, yeah, just go. He's like, no, I need to go. ⁓
Or like, kind of implying that I already went. You know? So I'd say to this again, like, just go, right? You can go. Like, know You're better here. Yeah, exactly. You know where it is. He's like, no, I need to go. And I was like, can you come with me? He's like, can you come with me? Oh, And I was like, mean, OK, what's going to happen over here? So pretty much he weds on himself. Oh, right. Not pee,
So I was in there with these paper towels, holding my breath, trying my best to get this guy cleaned up because he pulled down his pants and it was just like, this is just terrible right now. Like what is going on? What did I get myself into? So that was one that I remembered among other things and even others when the kids just start crying or they just get upset. They definitely get upset. my God. remember one time, don't even, for this time I don't even blame the kids. We were playing like a... ⁓
campers versus counselors game basketball yeah which is I mean it you know it's fun because it's like 12 people against like three counselors yeah so it's kind of is as even as possible like the ball is like mixed teams yeah yeah it's like everybody's chasing you so it's like they have fun with it but one we had a counselor one time who was just like not like easing up like it looked it was like he was playing against like other people his age and he starts like dunking on these kids and like like
Taunting them and again not in like a funny way like ha ha I don't know like this meant something to him like I was like whoa and kids start crying and he doesn't even care and I was like what yeah, so that was I don't know what that is that is that like an ego thing or I guess I think it's he just he might have not been good at sports when he Maybe he needed some he needed to get that out. Yeah, I just needed something like hey I'm better than you even though I'm eight years older than you right so
Damn. But yeah, those are good times. I definitely don't take them for granted. And it was an easy way to make money in the summer. I think starting to make money as early as possible, because at that point, we were able start investing in a Roth. ⁓ I was not investing in my Roth in eighth grade. No, I think by the time I was a senior, I think I invested like $1,500. Honestly, another job, the reason why I started investing in my Roth is because of the Postmates job. that's a whole different We could get into that. have so many jobs. Let's So many jobs.
This is crazy. This is actually a good story. Yeah. think this is, this is, this is before both our internships. yeah. Way before the internships. This is during the heart of the pandemic, the heart of the pandemic. I remember this guy right, right when the pandemic started, who's this guy? You. I just want to make sure. Right when the pandemic started, was like, I think he ordered some food or whatever and it was like a bad delivery. Somebody messed it up and he was like, you know, we could do this. Like we can make some
quick money, COVID's gonna slow everything down. Like this is the only thing that's gonna keep going. I was like, okay, sure. Not even gonna keep going. It's the only thing that's gonna like spike. I was like, okay, sure. Whatever. was, was, it was thing. a thing. was really big Postmates. You know, and anyway, I mean, literally after the first delivery, I was hooked.
Yeah, I know. were hooked more than It was like a drug. I would just drive by myself. You would get out there. Bro, we were doing school online and no one was going to class. yeah. And then you would just go out, lunch runs. Yes. And then every night starting from like five to eight, we would go out together. Yes, we would. I mean, he would drive. would pick up the To be honest, it was actually the best. It was the perfect system. Bro, because I love to drive and get to places fast. Cam goes and picks it up. And then from there, like,
Sometimes the maps would say, us this way. Be like, no, no, no, we're going to, the way. And then also like in LA, you can't park anywhere, but it's COVID. Remember that? So all the parking spots are open. You have to drive everywhere in LA. Yeah, fair. But now there's less cars on the road. Less stop starts was way, gas was so cheap. No one was going so cheap. This was like the perfect time to do it. People also were very like, generous, appreciative of, you know, the
essential workers. were. so like, honestly, like I'd say like 70 % of the money we made, maybe 80 was from tips, not from the actual like, you know, delivery. And you all know, so funny too, is that we did it so much that we knew.
sometimes who the people you Yes. We went to the same houses and sometimes we would camp out in the same restaurants. we got, got the big, got the big sushi. Yeah. Yeah. Christina always shut us up. We would go to the house. She never even knew who we were. No, no. Cause we were just dropping the door. Yup. don't like that. Stop being the, let me go pick it up. Actually. One of the great things from COVID is that. Yes. Thank God. Cause if we didn't have COVID, we'd have to talk to the door dashers every day. Like, no, no.
It used to be like that. know. used to really be like that. to go to them. You have to open the door. It's always awkward. Now I can be in the shower, the food just gets delivered, and I go pick it up. And same thing with some of these bigger restaurants too. They put up all these shelves. Oh, it's great. Pick up this food. Here you go. Pick it up. I'm sure people have stolen. for the most part. I feel like in LA, exactly. For COVID, was nice. No one was out there. Pick up this food. This is great. We got it. Didn't have to say a word. It was just like a.
And no traffic. We did this for like three hours and I don't even know how much we made, but we made a good amount. We made a lot of money. I know. That was absolutely the most money I ever made and that's the reason why I started my Roth IRA. Interesting. didn't know that. My first Roth IRA investment was because of the Post Bates money. Great. ⁓ my God, I love that.
I really do miss it. was a great The feeling that you would get when you would be like, we got a delivery. Fleet. Fleet. We got so good at it that we were just like, we're not doing that delivery. yes, it's good to do this one because we're a good tip. This and that. We were just, man. You were way more addicted than me. You were going out I'm addicted to getting money. Classic, right? Yeah. Yeah, I would go at lunch by myself. I remember there was this one promotion. was like...
You have to get 105 deliveries in like a week or something. you were going Which is like unbelievable. That's so much. We would average like maybe eight. Yeah. Maybe eight. I feel like maybe more. OK, maybe a little more. Like three an hour probably makes sense. So I guess yeah, nine. Yeah, whatever. So like yeah, we would average like eight, nine, eight, 10, whatever, deliveries. So we had to get 105 in a week. So that was like 13, 14, 15 a day. Wow. I would have to go out for lunch and man.
What you didn't get it didn't work. What was it? It was like a multiplier. Yes. No, no, it was it was a cash bonus, which I should have kept but I actually gave you a good percent of it. Yeah. Thank you. I'm paying you back for it right now. Yeah. Yes. Who most for it? Anyway. Yeah. That was a good time. Yeah. So we got starting off. Subber caps. Yeah. Then you helped me. We're going to talk about this. Yeah. Postman. I forgot about it. Delivery drivers underrated, underrated.
job. But it had to be at the perfect time. would never do it right now. Never do it. No, no, no. Because the market's saturated. You get no money. No one wants to any more. one's happy. No one's appreciative. No one has good jobs. No one's unemployed. Like, this does not happen. We, oh my God, we did it at the perfect time. Dude, perfect time. Perfect time. So we got that. And then we could move into the internships. Oh,
Which we have a show you're thinking about. It's that crazy. I was thinking, what other jobs did I have? I also was a public safety aide, which is another movie that I'm thinking about. Public safety Yes, it sounds as dumb as it is. Or it is as dumb as it What, you mean so you made parking tickets and gave people parking tickets? Yeah. You know what I did. I'm just asking. I'm trying to let the people know. I got a prompt here.
I gave up parking tickets. Wow. you're a rat. But I didn't actually give them up. That's why. Shout out to me. If you ever parked at AU in the last four years and you got a ticket, it wasn't So how did you even...
Like, how did you justify that? Like, didn't your boss want to send tickets? No! My boss was younger than me! My boss was like a... So why was this even a job? Why was this even a job? It was the best job I ever had. One of the best. I literally would... We just said Postmates was, So I've had some good jobs, honestly. I would literally just go to the library, shout out WCL. It's just like do homework or watch a movie. On the clock? Of course! Of course! There's no quota. Like, they'd be like...
like, man, system's broken again. That's you would say. They were just as dumb as we were. Like, they do. They didn't care. Like, they weren't getting paid either. Wow. How much did you get paid for that per hour or per ticket? What'd you get? No, not per ticket. Um, God, how much was it? I don't know. Was it like worthwhile? Yeah. It was like, I mean, was like 18, 19, 20. No, maybe 20 an hour. Is that a lot?
I mean, that's more than I expected. Yeah. Yeah. I I only worked like 12 hours a week. Wow. It was great. after So you got money, After school. Yeah. So you have money. I spent it. No, got no money right now. I've never actually had money. That's the crazy thing. And I don't think I ever will because even if I get more money, I'm just going to invest more. It's crazy. It's just like, will they ever get to a place where it's like... I mean, you got to save. But then you're like, why would I save? I might as well invest it. No, but then it's like...
Yeah, what's the point where it's like, I'm investing enough, right? you ever. Like, that's what you have to understand. Yeah, no. I mean, especially at this young age, like, you couldn't, I mean, so it's a double-edged sword. like, I want to invest as much as possible. put a dollar in, and it's a huge deal. But like, if I put a lot of money in, then I can really stop when I'm old. Yeah. Oh my god. Whatever. We're still trying to figure that out. Yeah, exactly. But anyway, yes. The internship.
Yours is more eventful than mine. So then maybe you should go first. Yeah, maybe I'll go first. I want to hear about your internship. Set the scene. Where did you work? How was it? Where did you live? What were your hours like? Go for it. Yeah, so this will be the main internship I did, Junior Summer, the one that everyone talks about and is going to be like where you end up after. You take the return offer. So we'll set the scene.
didn't really even know what I wanted to do. I had done a consulting internship at BCG the last summer, but it was remote. So it was just kind of weird. don't know. I didn't like it anyway, but I didn't really even know what to think about because it was like literally the heat of 2020 sophomore year. ⁓ we were back home. We were probably doing Postmates. It's like during the time I was doing that fake internship or whatever it was. So all junior year, ⁓ like before that junior year summer, you have to start recruiting for these finance internships early on. So
I was applying to all of these, like from Goldman to JP Morgan to like American Express, all these places. ⁓ And you know, lot of different technical things you had to do. And I was going for ⁓ sales and trading or investment banking. Those are probably the two that everybody talks about. course. ⁓ So I apply and I ended up going to the final round of Goldman and like, I was like, you know, it's Goldman. got it. I got to do it. Right. So I do the super day as they call it. First of all,
Super Days are crazy. I remember you had yours too, right? Oh, I had mine, yeah. It's like five interviews in one. Now I guess that's pretty standard for at least tech jobs. But for me, was like five interviews in one day. Like, why do we need to do this? How long was each interview? They were pretty short since the internship. I think it was only like 30 minutes each. It wasn't that bad. 30 to 45. I mean, just back to back to back. Yeah, I mean, I think it was like two in a row, two in a row, and then you got like, so it was like two in a row break, two in a row break, and then one. But still, it was like the whole day.
I mean, you have to wear suit. funny thing is like we got so lucky too, because these were on zoom. Yeah. my God. to be in person. I couldn't even imagine. They fly you to New York and you would go do this thing there. No, that's unbelievable. Think about that. That's unbelievable. So now I was able to wear like, okay, I wore a suit jacket and a tie, but I was able to wear shorts on it. And also I was able to like, if I needed to like look up anything or like, I was able to do ⁓ that. I can't even imagine having to do a real, I've never done a real interview in person before.
I would, cause I need my computer to be like, ⁓ just like, you feel comfortable. Exactly. You don't have to fly somewhere and do all that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So I ended up going with a Goldman sales and trading because the reason why, ⁓ over investment banking, which everyone says investment banking is what you should do. But I was like, I don't want to work until like 2 a.m. I thought that was like the investment banking. Yeah. You make a little bit more money, more in your bonus, but
I'm not working all those hours. It's not worth it. But little did I know that I was like, yeah, they're like sales and trading. You end around like 5 PM six. I'm like, great. Like this is a great time. Little did I know you had to start at 7 AM, 7 30. Right? Like little did I know. I didn't know. had no idea. When does investment banking start? Like around nine. So like it's a regular nine to five, but not really because you end at two AM. Right. You get your eight hours. ⁓ no, not them. Yeah. What do mean?
Wait, so nine to five? I was joking. It was like you start at nine, but you don't actually end at five. You end at two AM. Right, exactly. So that's the difference. I was like, I'm chilling. I'm coming in. I'm going to be fine. It's going to be great hours. And then, no, absolutely not. They're like, yeah, we're starting at 730 AM because the market's open. Like, dude, what are we talking about? New York? Yeah, I don't know. They just want to be ready. You pre-train or whatever. So they just want to be ready for it.
So yeah, I didn't know any of this going in, but I was like, okay, you know what, let me just figure it out. I lived in Battery Park because it was right near the Goldman office. I also did get lucky. I mean, not totally lucky, I'd say. I'd say it's a little bit on my skill, but there were also internships like in the Dallas, Texas office and the Salt Lake City, Utah office. You're telling me, like, if I get a Goldman Sachs internship, I am going to New York. I Was that a possibility? Well, not for me. It's in the, no, no.
Not for the roles I decided. Like investment banking, sales and trading, the two top internships are always in New York. But there are other ones like operations, other smaller things that aren't like the biggest functions. Like we would have to sometimes work with operations folks to put trades through. And they were working in a different area. Like they didn't have to be in New York. Nasty. So yeah, nasty. So I lived in Battery Park. I did this whole random roommate housing thing. That was very interesting. I lived with one other Goldman person.
And then I lived with this other guy named Ethan, who I was like, you know, like, okay, this guy, Ethan seems like he's pretty chill, whatever, like you'll see. And then I meet him the first time and then we had to like becoming best friends, which that's a story for later on. It's pretty cool, Just random roommates doing things. We still see each other now. He lives in the Bay with us. So yeah, so from there it was just regular stuff. think, you know, sales and trading, it wasn't fun at all. I think the biggest thing that changed my mind
is people tell you this is supposed to be what you wanna do. That's what I was, cause like, remember it's like, it's your junior year summer, this is great. I thought I was set for life. I'm gonna do this and I'm gonna take the return offer and I'll be fine. I'm ready for a job. Yep, 40 years, pension, whatever. Like, I don't know, whatever it is, retirement. I mean, you'll have a lot of money. Yeah, I have a lot of money. But dude, by week two, when I was having to get up and be there,
at 7.30 and then leave at five and try to like run or hit the gym after, which was not really even possible. I got lucky because I was able to do some remote days because it was still like COVID. So we did three days a week in the office. So that's the only thing that got me through. But two weeks through, two weeks in, was, I kid you not, looking at my Delta flight for when I was leaving in August. This is- coming back home.
Yeah, coming back home. Like getting home. I need to get out. I texted you in the family group chat. It was like nine weeks left. Oh, you kept counting down. Because it was 12 weeks. So I was like nine weeks left. Only nine. How many days is that? Right? Like 63 days. That's like what? Dude, horrible. Yeah. And I don't even have like, you know, I don't want to go all through my story now, but like that's where I got to. And like, there wasn't really much else to talk about. It was just horrible. And I think, you know,
I'm so glad I did it because I was able to never tell myself like what if I never do it. dude, the finance stuff is terrible. I mean, have the same, you have the same experience. mean, terrible. This is Goldman Sachs. This is supposed to be a place that everyone loves. This is supposed to be like striving. Yes. This is like the top tier bank. And this is what it felt like. It's terrible. they, and they work you so much. There's no, like, it's just,
And even as an intern. an intern? Yeah, about the We were talking about the same thing, right? Because we're feeling the same way as an intern. It's like, who's going to stay later? We got to make sure we later. Oh, come We got to make sure we stay latest. Come on. And the thing is, there's so many of us. Right? Like with Goldman, I think your company is a little bit smaller. But with Goldman, since it's such a big company, there's like thousands of interns that start in New York. And then there's like thousands more around the other offices. everyone's trying to like measure up. And it's like, dude, it's not that serious. That's And you have all these.
top tier school, all these Harvard, Stanford, Yale, Duke guys, everybody. I don't know how many people from Duke went there with me. It was at least 20. Maybe not 20, but I knew a good amount. There was a lot of Duke people at this internship, whether you're IB, sales and trading, things like that. But it wasn't fun at all, and I didn't like it. mean, sucks that you went through it. Sucks that you didn't like it. Happy you went through it. Yeah. No, definitely. Definitely. I needed to do it because I needed to tell myself.
Okay, this is not what I'm gonna do. And it kind of tells you to change the mold of, or it forces you to think. Don't let other people tell you how to your life. Exactly. This is what, mean, honestly what mom had said we should do, because again, in the older days, this was what you did, right? And everyone was saying, it was finance, was finance. This was before tech was even a thing. ⁓ And we both weren't CS computer science majors, so we're like, how are we gonna get into tech anyway? This might be our only way.
So it kind of was. Yeah, it was. me out. Yeah, it definitely helped me out, in my next roles. But yeah, I think I was just, it was terrible. mean, by week two, I was ready to go. And I think I was already burnt out by week three. And then by then, I was just literally hating my life to the point where I was talking about, like, when it would rain, I would just be so upset. You'd be so I was so, so the trash on the floor. New York, this made me really hate New York for a while. And it wasn't even New York's fault, per se. I think now I still don't love it.
But it was definitely because of the job. It killed me. 100 % man. And yours. So yours is much more eventful than mine, I'd say. So why don't you take us through it? Yeah, I guess. You guess? Come on. Starting off, I think it really started with the interview. Well, first of all, so I applied to... Oh yeah, true. I applied to... I still have the sheet. I think I applied to like 48 different...
banking, finance, internships. It was that many? It was so many. I applied to every single one I found, which again, probably not good. kind of like, is just like, yeah, you're spamming them. But anyway, finally got this, got an interview with HSBC. Shout out HSBC by the way for doing that. I appreciate it. you know, I do the higher view, which is like the fake interview. The one to yourself, right? answer your own question. Talking to yourself. was crazy. ⁓
Eventually it was good enough, they got me to the next level. I did one more interview and then I also had a super day. Mine was also, it was four 30 minute calls in a row, no breaks. No breaks. It was back to back to back to back. And I was like, oh my God. I was so nervous that Was it all behavioral questions pretty much? No, no, no, no. I forgot. It was four sections, two of them were technical. One was behavioral, one was like, I think, more like financial. It was a lot.
I'm not a finance guy. I didn't know anything about EBITDA. I still don't know what EBITDA is. it was a lot. Rottings before interest, taxes and organization. whatever, whatever. And so now, I mean, after the call, I felt all right. you know what? It actually went really well. It went really well. And I ended up getting the job, the internship.
Wait, but before you say you got the internship, didn't you get like another call? Oh, yeah, yeah, You said it went really well. I No, it did. No, it did. So the head of Americas called me, big time guy. And he was like, he called me, like, hey, can we talk? And I was like, this is before I got the job. He can we talk? I'm like, oh my God, no.
What do you mean, can we talk? I thought it would be a good thing. No, no, but that just made me nervous. This is a big time guy. Did you meet with him before? No. Oh, OK. That's kind That's why I was completely out Did you mess something up? That's why I was like, oh my God, what happened? Anyway, he's like, can we talk? He said, because at this time, junior year of college, I was very much in the mindset of, I want to be a founder. I want to found my own company. I want to be...
top CEO Zuckerberg, Bezos, like I want Bezos Zuckerberg Simmons. You know, that's what I'm thinking. And so during the interview, like especially during the behavioral questions when they're like, where do you see yourself? Or like, what are some accomplishments you had? I did some like ⁓ kind of entrepreneurial work in some of my classes outside of school. ⁓ So I talked about that a lot and how I really want to start my own company. And so the guy, the head of Americas was like, hey, you know,
you said you want to start your own company. Is that like, did you, did you start it already or are you like, are you serious about this internship? And I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no. I haven't started anything. I haven't started anything. Like I'm just definitely still serious about this internship. Like I'm very focused about it. He's like, okay. Okay. Good. Just checking. Cause that, you know, we want you here for as long as we can. ⁓ And I was like, yeah. Yeah. You got me. Honestly, at that point you got me. Yeah. I want to be here. I'm locked in. You got me. You got Kim.
And we both had a laugh. ⁓ Ended up getting the internship. There we go. OK. Good for you. Which was fantastic. Still haven't found that a company yet. No, no. I never will. Co-founder of Simbros. That's true. That's true. That's the only company I'll ever found. Yeah. But like, we know now. ⁓ no, no, no, Never. I do not want to be a fang. No way. Nope. Nope. Unless it's Fang's No, but it's just not in the right time for it. you, yeah, exactly. No, absolutely not. Conversation for another day. Anyway.
after the interns or after i get the job offer of of going to new york i'm looking for housing i blame you for this and we talked about this he was because he doesn't know how to navigate the subway he assumed that i wouldn't know how to navigate the subway so he was like got lost on my first day so he was like you should find a place where you can
that's walking distance to the office. is good advice. Okay, thank you. That's what I mean. Even without the subway, that is good advice. think high level, if I hear that, that's good advice. Okay, high level. Got it. I was looking and you were looking and mom was looking, trying to find some place that's walking distance that's also not a million dollars a month. we really couldn't find anything. And there was this one place that was like, I what it was called,
student housing or something. It was like E-S-H. Yeah, from, was NYU? Yeah, something like that. So it was student housing and it was at the New Yorker Hotel. I didn't know it was at the hotel. It was in the hotel on the 16th floor. don't remember this. Yeah, thanks by the way. This is the guy who told me to live there. But anyway, at the New Yorker Hotel on the 16th floor. Okay. You're like, ⁓ hotel, that's great. No.
After the 15th floor, it's all dorms. It's dorms. And like, not cool dorms. It's like the worst freshman year dorm That's so New York, actually. It's terrible. Like, why would they do that? Because they can fit more rooms in there. So there's a hotel from floors one to 15. Yes. Regular hotel floors one to 15. 15 to 19, it was just student housing. I think maybe even higher. Student housing.
which was like you know good for the students
For those that don't know about the New Yorker, it's right around the corner from Penn Station. yeah. Yeah. And more to come on the story when we come back from break. ⁓
And we're back. No, you weren't explaining the story during break. So you kept everybody in line. Yes. Good. Good. Everybody hold onto your seat belts. Yeah. So living right across, right around from Penn Station, right around the corner. Like I'm talking about like a 25 second walk. I don't think I realized the magnitude of that. Not like, you know, it's a few, it's a quarter mile. I'm talking about like 10 seconds around the corner.
It's like a trade hotel, yeah. So, just like Chris, I had to go to bed really early and wake up super early. Mine was actually a little bit earlier. Because you were sales and trading too. Yes, I was in sales and trading for HSBC. I was waking up at probably about 5.25, 5.30. I had a roommate, which was terrible. I mean, completely random. This guy sucked.
I mean that guy was terrible. Did guys sleep in the same room? I'm telling you, like the worst dorm room you could ever imagine. my god! We basically had bunk beds. ⁓ my god. Yeah, we had bunk beds. Yeah, you know it was like bunk beds but you put like the drawers under. Yeah. So like just the high bed. Mine was here, his was there. ⁓ my god. Anyway, I'm waking up at like 5 30, you know, because I, my god, I wake up, put on my button down, put on my...
Nice pants. idea of getting it. I think about it. put on my nice pants, dress shoes that are way too tight. And because of this idiot, I have to walk to work in this terrible outfit. It's hot outside. It's New York. It's a summer. You think you like the subway would be better? Yes. You're boiling down there too. Some AC. I was just talking to someone today and he was like, it feels like it's a hundred degrees in the subway. Sometimes it's sometimes there's AC. Okay.
whatever anyway I would have it would have been a nicer place anyway anyway yes on the walkover it's hot I have to I get to the office at like I don't know 630 ish terrible 630 ish maybe 645 and I'm like one of the last person last interns to get there really yes yes 645 yes yes how many were with you on your like I think like 14 okay
Like there was like 15 of us, right? I was one of the last people to get there at 645. So it was ridiculous. Didn't I instill you early though that I think you were like probably scared about that. And I was just telling you it's not. Yeah, no, you did. Which I appreciate it. just wanted you to know that. Everybody was in the same way. was like, I the same way too. can't last. I gotta be there first. I was the same way too. so yeah, I was getting there like 645, which is crazy. Cause when I got there, the MD, he was there.
Managing director. Yeah, the managing director. The one who probably has kids and all that. he does have kids and a wife. Yep. And like he had a young kid, like a, like a, like a toddler. No, not even a toddler. She was an infant. Just imagine that life. You were not sleeping at all. No, no, no, no, no, And work is way too stressful. Coffee this, coffee that. Speaking of. So yeah, I would get there. I would get to the office before basically every other full-time employee after all the interns and after all the MDs. Yeah. ⁓
And when I would get there, I was at a desk with a bunch of cool guys, but I would just get the coffee for them. There was a coffee shop down, was next door. And the MD would give me his Amex Platinum, which for any credit card guy out there, you know that's a terrible thing. You don't buy coffee on the We'll do an episode on credit cards. I mean, you don't buy coffee on the Platinum. You got to do smart.
Travel purchases. Don't worry. They don't know. It's fine. They just think they think that's it's yeah, they think it's cool Every seven or no, that was the heaviest card ever like I was a heavy card I think like the Amok cards are lighter now like that was when it was heavy I mean that was like a rock. Yeah, you throw it down anyway Super funny So there was two floors that we would you know, the interns would exchange on sometimes you were on the ninth floor Sometimes you're in 10th. for me
I like the the desk that I was on because it was a rotational program the desk that was on which was a What was it not derivatives was like equities I think was actually right It was on the ninth and 10th floor. So keep that in mind. It's on ninth and 10th floor. I Would only go on the 10th floor because the 10th floor actually had windows Yeah, so it got natural light and it was no windows. It was no it was
It was actually insane. The 10th floor was nice. was wide open space. Kind of like your, if you think of like a wall street, you know, floor, it was like that except, you know, not everybody's like screaming at each other on the phone, like huge space, open windows, floor to ceiling windows. It was nice. It was actually very nice. Nine floor, much more compact, much smaller, no natural light. was like the, it was so, it was scary. Did it feel like, was that the actual trading floor?
Or they both technically were. I mean, I think they both technically were, but no one was on the ninth. Because Goldman's floor was the fifth. ⁓ So low, you wanted to be high, but you're just so low. Because Goldman's building was built a specific way where the higher you go, the less space there was. I don't know, some architectural thing. So if you were on anywhere from floors two through four, meant you need a lot of space. So whatever. But I remember that. I wanted to be on floor 27, and I was on floor five. Whatever. for us, it was a 15-floor building. So 910 was right in the
Damn, so we see the difference. Anyway, so I would go to the 10th floor, because it was, like I said, was open windows and all that kind of stuff. All my other intern friends were up there. And when I was on the 10th floor, my, I guess, not even boss, what would you call him? Manager? Yeah, my manager just for that desk was like, hey, Cam, I want you to do this project. I want you to read these articles and then give me a summary.
Give me a little indicator of where you think the market's gonna go with X, Y, Z." And I was like, cool, cool, that's awesome. In my head, externally, that's what I said, in my head I was like, no, no, it's not happening. I don't care because at that point I was already like Chris as well where I was like, I'm done. This is not the job for me. I already knew it. And so I would be on the 10th floor, the guy, everybody was so busy, he would give me an assignment and I'd be like, yep, cool, got it, working on it, no worries.
I'd go down to ninth floor just to be with the same equities people so that the people on the tenth floor would forget that I was supposed to be up there and do a project with them. And so they're like, it's cool. Yeah, he's testing out both of us just to see.
I just needed to buy myself some time, hopefully they forget, and the 10 weeks would be up and I'd be out of there. You know what I'm talking about? definitely. it done. any way you can, squeeze the most money out of them and don't That's the least amount of work possible. So then on the ninth floor, I would do the same thing, where I would just chill and fake read articles of any other intern. Look at Bloomberg terminal.
I don't even know how to use those things. Go in there. It's pretty cool. What does that even mean? I figured it out. I mean dude, that's all I did. Yeah, literally all I don't know how to use it. But anyway, yeah, so we'd do that. And then on the ninth floor, the guy is like, know, we should give you a project. We should give you an assignment. I'm like, okay, yeah, cool. Externally. Internally, I'm like, nope, it ain't gonna happen. So that was about a week of in-between time. I'd go back up to the 10th floor just so the ninth floor people would forget.
And by the time I went up to the 10th floor, that guy had 3 million other things to worry about. The markets were up and down. So he completely forgot about the project. was like, great. Anyway, during the actual internship, all I would do, there was a, this is, this is nasty, but it was, there was a private bathroom with a chair in it. Why was there a chair in the bathroom? No idea why there was a chair, but there was a chair in the private bathroom. was a nice bathroom. I would literally go in that bathroom.
sit and I would watch the bear. I watched the entire third season in that bathroom on the clock and honestly it was the best thing ever. was the best thing ever. I love that. Yeah. my It's actually funny because we're different people inherently but we both end up in the same outcome. Yes. Like I did all my work. No. Like I was like doing making sure I did all my work. Nope.
And even though I hated it, you were like, nah, I'm just going to go watch TV in the back. Yeah, there's no need. I was just like, you know, like, this doesn't matter. I'm not going to do this. know, like, you know what mean? I don't want to waste my time. Yeah, no, I agree. Like, if the easy part, the fun part was not fun, I know that the working part is definitely not going to be fun. OK, and that goes back to exactly what we were saying. When you think about our own jobs, we were talking about this, Interchips are great because they
there is a finality to it. Yes. Oh, yeah. No, you were going to end. Like I told myself, all right, I got to nine weeks, nine more weeks. Like imagine if this is your full-time job. 40 more years. Yes. That's just what you tell yourself. I could not do that. No, 40 years. And you told me this, right? It was week one and we were kind of doing like dumb things. You were having a good time. No actual work. I was just, I look, my intern class was amazing. I've met some absolutely fantastic people.
We would just hang out and have fun and drink or eat lunch. All cool things. And I was like, dude, this is great. I wouldn't mean you hated this internship. This is the best internship Yeah, I'm gonna do for the rest of my life. And I was like, this is great. You're like, wait. You're saying that because you know there's an end. know it's going to end eventually. So you're trying to enjoy these moments. When there's no end, you will not enjoy this job. Terrible. my When there's no end, you have never been more When you actually have to do something.
You've never been more right. I gotta give you credit for that. Thank you. Thank you. I mean, dude, it's crazy. It really is. And I think what the worst part about those jobs is that it takes away from your actual life. Oh, yeah. No, no. Because that was the thing. Another thing. Great point. I mean, like, was, so I would wake up at like 5 30. Crazy. Work until like probably, I'd work from about 6 30, 6 45 to 6. Works in quotes.
But yes. Yes. Oh, yeah. I was at the office. Yeah. I actually don't need for quote. Yeah. I was at the office for the bathroom from six forty five to six, which is also why I was needed. I just need to chill. Yeah. I was terrible. That was Twelve hours on the fifth floor. There was like a coffee shop. And I was on that fifth floor. I read the out. It was so funny. Sorry. I have a few tangents on the fifth floor. So I had a few groups of friends.
during the internship, I would go with group one down to get coffee at like, you know, eight. Yeah. Cause that was after like an hour and a of work, is insane. Insane. Insane. So after an hour and half of work, I go to get coffee with group one after about 30 minutes, they're like, okay, we got to go up and go back to work. And I'm like, yeah, don't know about that. So then group two, was like clockwork group two would come down.
Yep, and like 825 and and you're already there. Yeah, and I'm there I'm posting up. Hey guys. What am I gonna do? I'm supposed to leave them? No, that's a big a bad friend So I would stay with them until about 9 and then you know group 3 would kind of trickle their way in I'm like, hey, yeah group 3 Then would hide in the bathroom for about two more hours We'd eat lunch at like 11 11 30 so early, which is insane, but we wake it up. Yeah But anyway, yes, so
That was just another funny story. from working 6 to 6, I'd get back home like 6, 30, 7. I'm tired. I'm exhausted. I can't even. And it's in person five days a week, nice clothes. You have to say that. Yeah, I didn't say it. And I couldn't even go to the gym. I had no energy. I would go to bed at like 8, 30.
And the thing is, you go to bed at 8.30, but you don't even get any rest. No. Because you have to wake up at 5.30. No rest. It's I wish I could see what my deep sleep was back then. It was probably terrible. Yeah, terrible. Terrible. Like, it's terrible. And that's the thing. Like, those jobs take away from your life. 100%. And that's what's so important when you're navigating an internship or thinking about your career. Of course, you should be doing something that is a high achieving type of a job. But also, you need to think about
Is this job really going to be like something I can fit my life into? you have a life. This is not your life. Thank you. Your job is not your life. is not. And it shouldn't be. It never The only time it should be is like if you're really starting your own company. And like, it has to be like a real type of Yes, exactly. Because it's going to take a while to build your business. But it always feels better when your job is your life when you're doing something for yourself. But if you're working for other people, like David Solomon, it's like,
He's just making a ton of money off me. you. I'm an intern. Oh, thank you so much for your work. He doesn't know who you are. know everyone when he would come to the office like, oh my god, David Solomon's coming to the office. Like, what? Who even is that? Like, if Mark Zuckerberg came, that makes sense. He's a cool, like, founder. Like, he founded his own company. Like, and it built into something insane. It's not Goldman or sex. Exactly. Yeah. It's just some poached CEO. Like, you want to see this guy? Exactly. Insane. Exactly. And everybody acts, bro. I do, like, like.
Those are the celebrities. gets all common. Pawn's in the system, man. Yeah, I mean, I completely agree. I mean, you know, one of the main things that I saw is like people are, you know, eating salads at their desks because they don't have a minute to go outside and get some fresh air or eat some food that they actually want to. Like that's the They can't exercise the way that they probably want to or should be mental health is terrible. Mental health is cooked.
staring at a screen all day. Stressed about the market. I mean, think about what number. Yes. The non-farm payrolls like jacked up on Caffeine, which I mean, guess that's kind of across the board, but you know, it's just not good that you throw that.
in there too, it's just like- It's an unhealthy lifestyle and it's not worth it. It's hard to make that lifestyle healthy. Yeah, exactly. It's hard. People probably can. There are people who do. I'm sure you can. But it's terrible. Yes, it is. That's why we had to find our new jobs. did. It's better. Yeah. You know, but it is way better. It's because the perks are way better. So much better. You should have all this stuff. But yeah, before we get into that stuff further, but I think that is exactly what we saying when-
You know, the life advice aspect of this is what we were just talking about about how you need to make sure you're doing something that adds to your life as much as it can, or at least doesn't subtract. I think I'll say that for the job. Because the job is always going to make you feel, you know, it's a job. But it shouldn't subtract so much to the point where you are thinking about that job at all times, right?
When the weekend comes, the weekend comes. Computers close, is off. Do not. Because enjoy time with your family. the more you bring work into other areas of your life, the more it just becomes a part of your life. Yes, yes. You need to understand that work is work and everything else is everything else. Your enjoyment is your enjoyment. And also at the same time, it's okay for you to do something that the...
people don't think is like the right decision. 100%. We both did it. We both did it. We both got the return offers and we both decided not to. Yeah, I didn't. ⁓ I you did. No, we had this conversation. did not get, I definitely did not, dude. didn't know before. Well, I got the, again, yeah, so you didn't do any work. I got the return offer. was just, I mean, both of my managers were like, he didn't do your project, did he? The other guy's like, no, he didn't do it, did he? He yours. Finesse.
But yeah, you got paid. You got paid. anyway, yeah, dude, like, for you, everybody was like, oh my god, that's great. Congrats on your new job. I'm going to do this. I'm good. You're like, hold on. Yeah. Well, I got it junior year or summer, and I'm like, oh, it's great. I'm just going to, like, I don't have to do any more work in college. Like, I'm good. I'm just going to that job. And then I finished it. And I'm like, I don't want to do this. But also, at the same time, it was good money and also prestige. Yeah. It's like,
you go to a place like Duke, you're supposed to do this. It's procedures, right? Like you're supposed to go here, either do consulting, finance or tech, something in that, because you're supposed to make the degree worth it. Yeah. And you know, I was like, I'm not going to take this return offer, but also I don't have another job. Yeah. So I had to figure it out. And that's where it's like everything worked out the way it was supposed to. But the only reason why it did is because I was okay with not doing something that
mom wanted me to do, that our grandmother wanted us to do, that everybody wanted me to do. Like when I told them I didn't take the offer, were, you know. Dumbfounded. Yeah. How would you not? What do you mean? It's Goldman Sachs. Right. It's free. Yeah. It's like, you got it. You did it. You did the hard You did it. No. No. So that's where I was like, you have to do what's worth it for you. Whatever you were going to like. I knew it wasn't going to fit my lifestyle. It wasn't. Fitness is too important. Moving my body and just enjoying my life is too Enjoying life. Yeah. Enjoying life.
So that's you have to understand. Make sure you understand what's important to you and don't let your job get into that because then you start to be depressed, then you start to be resentful of other people, and then that's when you're not a good friend. And then when you lose your friendships, when you lose your relationships, then what? Your life's over. great, I still got my job. No. No. No. I still got my job working for someone who- For someone else. Making money for someone else is the worst You're working is-
Fulfilling their dream. Yep, not yours. It's like that. It's like bro. It's like I think we talked about this like the Bezos when he goes my god Not even like the fact Amazon like okay, you're with an Amazon engineer or something. No to the actual Factory. Yes that moves the packages. Yes, and there's this guy be like There's like the ticker of like how much how much money each of these guys make in that moment of time Yeah, and for Bezos it's like
What is it, like 10K every half a second? So he's making like 60K, 120K in 10 seconds. And this guy's like, one cent, two cents, three cents. And he's like, my god, sir, thank you. I thank I love what you're doing. he's like, yeah, sure, yeah. You're welcome. He doesn't know who you are. He's going to forget having this conversation in 20 seconds. just remember, you're living somebody else's dream.
Always like fund your own dream. So you have to work. I get that. But don't forget you're living somebody else's dream. So don't put too many eggs in that basket. Yeah, no, it's, it's on you to figure that out. And the sooner you do and the sooner you make that tough decision and live with it, that is how you're going to get there. I mean, for me, I took the decision, right? I had no job.
⁓ for a little bit, at least like during school. A lot of my friends were going to become like software engineers. People were staying in finance, people were going to consulting and I was like, I don't know what I want to do. I work in sports. Like let me try to figure that out. So, you know, it's hard to find a sports job that let alone pays anything even close. Not nowhere close, but. And I wasn't so like I wasn't going to the NFL. So. ⁓
Yeah, it was tough, but I ended up finding the job with the LA Chargers, which was an interesting grind. We can talk about more about that. Working sports is a crazy thing, by the way, for anyone. Again, way less glamorous than anyone tells you. I'm telling you that much. I'll stop there. Ended up going to the Chargers. Then after that, I was able to figure things out. I went home. It actually gave me some time to go home, get my bearings straight, because I was just working, because it was in LA, so I was just working at home. And then I was able to figure out.
how to get into tech from there. It was a lot of grinding from that. But without getting the charger's job, without being sent back home to figure out my life again, but still having a job, by the way. But I was sent home to figure out my life and then now it all worked out. If I had gone to Golden, I'd be in New York and hating my life. Probably hating my life. And you probably wouldn't have quit. Nope. Because you don't really quit things. And also, I don't quit things, but also like what else would I be able to do?
Like, it just, you feel stuck at that point. Yep, yep. Don't forget, like, people get stuck where it's like, it's not bad enough. It's not bad enough. You're making enough money where it's it's not bad enough. Where it's like, okay, yeah, if there's a leak in the ceiling, a little tiny leak, you're like, eh, you know, it could be worse. I might not get it fixed. And then a huge hole comes out and you're like, oh, I need to get it fixed. But also, how did that hole happen? Exactly. So that's whole thing. It's like, you gotta fix the leak though.
Don't just wait for the hole. The hole happened because there was a small leak every single day. Don't forget, keep that in mind. Like the leak is important. Yeah. What did you decide to do? Because I mean, you didn't get the return offer. No, absolutely did not get the return offer. Was not expecting it. Would not have accepted it if I had gotten it. Yeah. So screw you guys anyway. wasn't going to it anyway. Whatever. Not like I was waiting for it.
I actually really wasn't. But yeah, I was also able to pivot into tech. mean, you gave me, you helped me out in terms of like what roles to look for, ⁓ potentially even like what companies. And so with that little short list, I did some targeted messaging, which is my job now, but it's really funny, to specific companies. And a very nice woman named Nicole.
She a chance on me. She's gone. She still left, but she did take a chance. And I mean, I'm so forever grateful for her taking that chance. Getting my foot in the door for tech will be why I am successful, will be one of the reasons why I'm successful. But here's the thing, I would never have gotten that tech job without the summer internship. Yeah, you need something. 100%.
I did nothing there, I put it on the resume. The name on the resume. Goldman helped me out so much too, bro. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So very thankful for HSBC, even though I apologize for not working for you guys. very thankful for it. Yeah, I think even more advice there too is take internships too that, again, they're finite. So it's a great time to do a finance internship. We're saying they suck. Yes.
But also they're so worth it. my God. So because it helps. Ten weeks. You can deal with it. matter. It's way you'd rather do it then. Yes. When there's no stakes. Yes. Do it then. Get the good name on your resume and then use that to leverage what you really want to do. Exactly. Because no one's ever going to say, my God, Boston Consulting Group picked this guy. They probably don't know what they're doing. Goldman Sachs. They also picked this guy. he went to Duke. ⁓ like, you know what I mean? Like those are three pretty good things, right? Like.
They don't just say like this doesn't happen on a fluke. It's not like they're just like, oh, he only worked in finance so we're never going to give him a job in this other no. Especially when you're early in career. Exactly. You're so malleable and moldable. Exactly. Unless you're going for a tech role, like a technical role. You need obviously experience in coding and things like that. everything else, that's the whole thing. We'll talk about corporate America too. You can pretty much do any job that doesn't require any like...
Technical experience anyone could do. yeah, really anyone It's like it's like, you know, what's that thing? We're all basketball coaches saying yeah boxing out. Yep, and ⁓ Loose balls. Yep. Like those are things that it doesn't matter how tall you are how skilled you are really if you do it with an intensity with a focus you will be Over period of time. It's yeah, you will be successful intensity on defense. Yep boxing out diving on loose balls
you can beat the people who might be better than you might be. Yeah, because they don't want to do that. Exactly. So don't forget people. Just do the intangibles, you'll be successful. Guaranteed. Take a quick break, and we'll be right back.
And we're back. Mm hmm. We kept talking during the break, by the way. What does that mean? What do mean? What do you mean? We kept going with the story. That was a joke, but it was fine. because we kept going. It was fine. I don't know. Maybe I'm lost. Yeah, I think you're lost. I think it's late. I think we're almost towards the end of this. ⁓ Yes. This part. ⁓
Any sports news you want to talk about real quick? mean, Dame going back home is really cool. First of all, everybody follows Simbros on all platforms. All platforms. TikTok, Instagram, Twitter, or X. YouTube. Damn, you're calling it X. Wow. I mean, it's it's called. We really would have just called. Yeah. It's like meta Facebook. I'll always say Twitter X. I mean, I'll always be a Twitter guy. won't ever say she went and sent you on Twitter. I'll say Twitter. I'll never say X. Yeah, I'll never say X. Never. Never.
But anyway, follow us on all platforms. We talked about this Dame move. Damien Liller, the former Milwaukee Buc is coming back home to Portland. Big deal. Yeah, it feels good. I like it. And I said the same thing again, follow us so we see our takes in real time. But yeah, it's good to see the players come back to where they started. I think we missed that. Tim Duncan, like old times, Kobe, Duncan, like they would stay in these places their whole careers. there's something about that.
There's something about a homegrown talent, especially a place like Portland. They don't get anybody. They're not the Lakers. Even the Spurs. The Spurs are kind of like a lower tier team market-wise, but they have all these crazy Hall of Famers. They drafted all of Yeah, I know. It's just crazy. Literally David Robinson, Tim Duncan, Manu, Tony Parker, Wemby now. Dylan Harper. I was going say Devin Bissell. That's what I was going say. Kelvin Johnson. Yeah, so I mean, it's good. I love that.
Great for him. His statue is going to be soon. Remember they were saying SoHead was untouchable in the KD deal? Like, are we kidding? It's all a to a story. then Bradley Beal to the Clippers. Yes. Dude, people are like really sleeping about this. And I think it's really going to wake some people up. How old is Bradley Beal? 32. He's the same age as Norman He's 32. Same age. Who they just got rid of. This guy is a bona fide scorer. He can put the ball in the hoop. It doesn't matter if you're on a bad team. 30 points per game in the NBA. Yes.
Like DeMarcus Cousins was saying that it's even harder when you're on a bad team because you're the only person on the scouting report. Right, right. No, no, no. That's a great point. No, no, no. I mean, 30 points a game, he is a scorer. He fits their need. Not much is going to be needed from him. Not much is going to be needed from him. If he can get average anywhere from 12 to 18 Oh, he's definitely going average that. I guess I'm saying. Average that in the sleep. That's a big time.
know improve how much the norm average like 20 he could average you know because that's cuz kawaii yeah for both out I mean, that's probably what's gonna happen. Yeah, they're all gonna be hurt bro. So like what that you know, we'll see Bradley Beale also gets hurt though, too Yes, but I mean for 11 mil two years are pretty much it's a one plus one So I love one year five and a half mil easy for him. He'll take I love this. love this man, man You know what? How nice is it to be waved and stretched man? So Bradley Beale and Damien Lillard were both waved and stretched which you don't really see which means
You waive the player, which means you release them, they're on your team, and you stretch their contract for five years. Because, they had additional money left on the they had a lot of money. They both had the bigger, this is what's happening now. It's a whole different conversation about contracts. think Zach Lowe made a good point saying that you should be able to get a higher contract when you're in your prime, right? Because now it's like with even Devin Booker getting this new contract, he's going be 34 making $75 million, and that's not good. It's the same thing He's 32?
No, no, no, sorry. His extension doesn't tackle it until he has like five more years left. Right. So like same thing with that's why all these contracts, Russell Westbrook, John Wall, like all of these contracts are quote worth it. Like because they're super max players. But when they're 34 years old making 60 million dollars, like Damien Lillard was going to make 61 million dollars at whatever age he is. Like it's not worth it. No, but like 33. Yeah. But then like Shay or whatever, Shay has a good contract, but like, you know,
even Paulo or Chet, like they should be getting paid that, and then yeah, they should be getting paid that super max then, and then go down, down the road as opposed to getting paid more when you're not as good. Hopefully there's a few things Ambien needs to fix. That's definitely one of them. Yeah. But that was the reason why they both were waived and stretched. Yeah. A hundred percent, which is why maybe we're going to start seeing a lot more often now. Yeah. Anyway, quickly give me the top eight West teams. I can't do Do it right now. I can't do that. I think you were doing it. So I think you should do
First of all, that's annoying because this is a podcast. It's your job to do it. Yeah, it is. But you took me out of my flow. I wanted to continue talking about the waving and stretching. This is exactly what I'm talking about, second aprons. No, no. That was just very interesting. Go, go, keep talking. No, no. I just think about my West teams. I just thought it was super interesting because the reason why Bradley Beale is on the Clippers is because he
is getting paid from the other team. Same thing with Dame, right? Dame actually got more money than he even thought. Like he was going to sign a minimum out of place because they both had over a hundred million dollars left on their contract. Basically the Blazers were just like, we love you. Yeah. Just we're to pay you $17 million a year. Like 17, 14, 3 for 42. 14 this year to actually not play. Yes. Like not even close to He won't be playing. He'll be there. 14 million rehab. Yeah. So he's getting paid all this. Same with Bradley Beal. That's why he took the $5 million contract because it's like. Yeah.
I'm getting paid by the Suns. So I'll help out the franchise. Doesn't matter. But the Suns super interesting. I just thought those are really good signings. But before we go, I guess we will do our top eight teams. Just in order. You want me to go in order? See, the thing is, I will do it. We also have to prepare. Like if you tell me this question is coming. is off the cuff. OK. Just tell me. The season just ended. We're obviously going to get more into this. OK. OK. Yeah, I know. I know. So I would go OKC, Denver. OK.
Houston. right. And then I'd go ⁓ the Clippers. Okay. Minnesota. ⁓ I see I'm gonna miss a team. And then I go to Lakers at six. Whoa. And then, yeah, like, because now it gets into like the seven and eight. I think I'll maybe, I think I want to stay at my top six. Like the people I think are gonna be in the actual playoffs. That's who I think. I think it's gonna be the same teams as last year. Okay. I, I, I'm a huge Laker fan. I don't see us being. Really? Not six? Nope. Okay. Yeah. I have.
I also have OKC, Denver, ⁓ Houston. think that's fair. Actually, I have OKC, Houston, Denver. Because they're regular season, think? But 2-3 doesn't really matter. No, it doesn't. Because they're going play each other anyways. OKC, Houston, Denver. At four, I have the Clippers. Five, I have Dallas. And then Minnesota.
see but I don't think Dallas can be there if Kyrie's not gonna be ready. I still think they have they have a very solid team. Okay. I think they have a very solid lead guard. No you're gonna need a lot of you know Jayden Hardy and he's not Brandon. Nemhard. Nemhard. What's that? Brandon Williams. Yeah. Williams. Yeah. Yeah. So you're gonna need a lot of that which is gonna be rough but that's a crazy Dallas take. You should send that to Jack. Yeah. Yeah. I think they're gonna be what it I have them five seed. Yeah. That's Minnesota six. Actually okay. They're really losing.
Yeah, that's what I said. have Minnesota 5. Minnesota 5 Dallas 6, though. Lakers, no. Lakers, 7, and then whatever. Warriors, whatever. Kings, I'm just trying to think. Kings, Blazers. Blazers could do Kings, Blazers. Jazz. Jazz. Suns. Suns, Pelicans. I don't like it. Blazers could do it. Memphis? Memphis? No, no, no, You think Memphis could be 8? Nope. Something's going happen. They could be 9 or 10. Maybe 9 or 10. think the bad teams are going to be like Utah for sure.
probably Phoenix and then from there like dang feel that for a buck. Yeah. No, dude. He did it. signed. Bro, 75 million He'll take it. He got it. I'll do it. Yeah. Quick sports session this week. We talk a lot about jobs. Yes. But again, a lot of life. A lot of a lot of. It's it's all connected. Sports is life. Any challenges? Challenge of the week. Got nothing? Got anything? Me? Challenge of the week would be. Interest be introspective and understand what you want in your life. Take it take it take a minute.
Just think about it. Think about what you actually want and if you're doing what you want right now. Of course, there's going to be moments where you have to do things you don't want to do. That's just life. Continue to try to chip away and make your life to a point where you actually enjoy the things you're doing every day. Find the joy in the small things. Frank Sinatra said it best. He said, that's life. That's life, baby. That's internships.
That's jobs, summer jobs, Postmates driving, and of course a little bit of sports for you. ⁓ With that, we'll end off for this week. And you know what? We'll see you next week, of course. Stay locked.