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What is Man in America Podcast?

Seth Holehouse is a TV personality, YouTuber, podcaster, and patriot who became a household name in 2020 after his video exposing election fraud was tweeted, shared, uploaded, and pinned by President Donald Trump — reaching hundreds of millions worldwide.

Titled The Plot to Steal America, the video was created with a mission to warn Americans about the communist threat to our nation—a mission that’s been at the forefront of Seth’s life for nearly two decades.

After 10 years behind the scenes at The Epoch Times, launching his own show was the logical next step. Since its debut, Seth’s show “Man in America” has garnered 1M+ viewers on a monthly basis as his commitment to bring hope to patriots and to fight communism and socialism grows daily. His guests have included Peter Navarro, Kash Patel, Senator Wendy Rogers, General Michael Flynn, and General Robert Spalding.

He is also a regular speaker at the “ReAwaken America Tour” alongside Eric Trump, Mike Lindell, Gen. Flynn.

Seth Holehouse:

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Houlhouse. I'm very excited to share with you the interview that I I just did. I'm recording this introduction afterwards with my good friend, Todd Callender. We we talked about a lot of the important issues that are happening right now, but the big one being World War three, and the incoming Trump administration, what this means, what's happening behind the scenes with Trump and Putin.

Seth Holehouse:

But we touched on some really important, key elements to what's happening right now, which I think can be really interested in. One is why, you know, Todd believes strongly that these efforts of starting World War three will fall short, why the deep state is free falling and collapsing, and what we're seeing happening around us is an indication of that. But even he gets into some really, really interesting things about the massive shift of our economic system in America. And though Trump has talked about, say, getting rid of income tax, why Todd believes a much larger shift is happening going from a debt economy where all of us are working to pay off all these debts and taxes and everything into what he calls an equity economy where everyone's working to earn and working to gain and working to own in this nation and why fundamentally, we both believe that there is a very beautiful future ahead of us. It's not just opium.

Seth Holehouse:

We talk about some of the dark things. We talk about some of the concerns with Elon Musk's technology, you know, lots of stuff like that. But amidst that, we're still able to see a path forward into what some may call a golden age. So, folks, please enjoy the show with my good friend, Todd Callender. Mister Todd Callender, it is always not just an honor, but just so much fun and joy to have you on the show.

Seth Holehouse:

Even though we talk about some pretty serious things, it just I I I feel like it's just sitting down with coffee, for coffee with a good friend. So thanks for being here. Yay.

Todd Callender:

I brought my coffee mug, man. I I love it. The the and the, you know, the the big distinction here, Seth, is you do look younger and lumberjack like. At least I've got the warmth. We're doing good, man.

Todd Callender:

Yeah. Always enjoy my time with you too, man. And you know the cool part is I get a lot of feedback from people saying that they feel better after you and I chat, and we we clue them into our chats.

Seth Holehouse:

You know, the thing is with the kind of topics that we're discussing, if we can talk about these types of issues and people can still feel better at the end, we're winning. Yeah. Right? Because it's not about avoiding the the difficult stuff. It's about looking the difficult things, staring it in the face, and still saying there's hope.

Seth Holehouse:

We're gonna win. We're gonna get through this. Right. So anyway yeah. Well, right now, obviously, I'd say the the thing that's staring at us all is World War three, and I think that, you know, the you know, as of today, we see, you know, the US embassy is closing down in Kiev.

Seth Holehouse:

There's, you know, warns of massive strikes. We had basically, Biden or, you know, not everyone likes to say, oh, look. It's Biden's fault. He's just a puppet. So the controllers of Biden have authorized use of, you know, US missiles in Russia, which we know are not just

Todd Callender:

Use them too.

Seth Holehouse:

Missiles that we've lent them, actually. It was that you know, they they require our own military to work them together with Ukraine. And so we've you know, basically, in essence, United States has now fired missiles into Russia. But, you know, Todd, I know you're following this stuff and tracking it. What's your assessment?

Seth Holehouse:

Where are you at with all this?

Todd Callender:

Well, there's there's three things to to keep in mind. Number one, we've been in World War three for four years.

Seth Holehouse:

Yeah. Good

Todd Callender:

point. You said it exactly correctly. Biden is nothing but a tool. He's a puppet, and he has been for the last four years. The war is on humanity.

Todd Callender:

This is just another means of executing the war. That's it. There's nothing new here. We've been in a war for all this whole time and we're still here. That is the beautiful part about this.

Todd Callender:

So that's item number one. Item number two, you and I've been talking about this for three years in terms of the bad guys doing anything they can to try and stop a global conflict because their mission is to kill 7,000,000,000 people. No small task. It will go a lot faster with nuclear weapons. They were trying to shelter noble.

Todd Callender:

They picked fights with the Persians. They've done everything they can. The owners have done everything they can to spark some kind of a global conflict, and yet peace maintains, It's really quite remarkable. And then I guess the third thing that comes out of it is that, well, number one, you actually look younger and better, so you're doing good. So the stress is working for us.

Todd Callender:

Now what I want to say is that we have a new horizon here. So if you look at the timing differential for the last three years, we've been in this war and worried about a nuclear conflict. The horizon is right there and the sun is coming up. I think calmer heads will prevail yet, calmer heads being Mr. Putin, Mr.

Todd Callender:

Trump, Mr. Xi. But let us not forget that the permanent bureaucracy is in all of those governments and the permanent bureaucracy is what controls those countries. The top, the leader controls policy, but to effectuate that policy is layers and layers down. And the top of those layers is the permanent bureaucracy.

Todd Callender:

They are the ones who are also bought and paid for, have been for their entire careers by the owners. So, the question always goes back to what is the political will of the people and I note that mister Trump is filling his cabinet full of people that have a very broad reach. They may not be the best person for the job but they sure have a lot of people following them and watching what they're doing. That's his means and methodology, and it's not just inside The United States. He's trying to get the whole world to understand.

Todd Callender:

Let's calm this thing down. We don't have to go there. He said his national policy when he was in office. I want a strong India, strong China, strong Russia. We're gonna compete instead of kill each other.

Todd Callender:

That is what scares the holy hell out of the owners because they grant billions of dollars to Ukraine. Here it is. Here's your money. And then those people turn around and buy weapons from Raytheon and other such defense contractors. Believe it or not, it's what the OECD and the United Nations call circular economics.

Todd Callender:

And sometimes you get a charity involved in there like the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation that act as a really good buffer so people can't see where the money's coming from. FTX here in The Bahamas is a different form of money laundering. It's effectively legalized money laundering because these gangsters are all trading around to each other and then they catch a little bit along the way for their own pocket. It's a great giant criminal enterprise and it's about to freaking stop. That's what's freaking about.

Todd Callender:

We are dismantling their criminal enterprise and that is blowing their minds because they've been caught. Now we're in a do or die situation. It's them or us. Are we gonna hang them, or are they gonna kill us? That's the the quotient in front of us.

Seth Holehouse:

And so you see this, and and I certainly see it this way, but I just wanna, you know, reframe it and simplify my my perspective. So, basically, you see it as the momentum that is coming off of the election and Trump's appointments and, you know, Kennedy, you know, up, you know, HHS, all the things that with these are these are significant significant things. Yeah. To mention Huge. Not to mention so you have these things happening at the the bureaucratic level, the political level, but you also have a massive shift happening at the level of the minds and hearts of the people where Yes.

Seth Holehouse:

Especially. Trust in mainstream media is collapsing. The narrative that's been pushed about, you know, transgenderism and all these all in what what I believe to be very satanic rooted principles of destroying God's creation and all that that Yeah. People are rejecting it. Right?

Seth Holehouse:

Like, they're they're now tasting the poison in the soup. They didn't taste it, say, five or ten years ago, and they kept eating it. But now it's like, wait. This is this is this is wrong, and they're spitting it out. So That's right.

Seth Holehouse:

Do you believe that we're at a shift right now where the evil is now kind of really taking is in weakened so much, and the righteous and upright forces are now really taking a stronghold over the world.

Todd Callender:

And Yeah.

Seth Holehouse:

And that World War three and this this push to try to get us into World War three is some sort of it it's the rattlesnake backed into a corner that's even biting at some They're

Todd Callender:

Neil Mary. Yeah. Yeah. You've got it exactly right. And so let us let us look at the little movements on the map in in the means of this thing.

Todd Callender:

So everybody's preparing for nuclear war. The Western nations, Germany included, oh, we're now at war. They've effectively declared it, right? With these actions pursuant to international law, rights of nations to defend themselves, preemptive strikes, and all of those kinds of things that have been laid out in international law for the last fifty years. All of the predicate pieces are in place, right?

Todd Callender:

This has already happened. That's what I'm trying to say to you. We've already been in World War III, but now to expand that war, this is their hail Mary moment, and I think that it is going to fail. Why do I say that? So, for example, other aggressions already happened with Russia.

Todd Callender:

Ukraine is one of them, right? The the the Ukraine was a no go Russia and that's what gave birth to the Minsk Accords. So and Russia has been observing the Minsk Accords. They have very carefully observed them. So they're not giving an excuse to the other side to say, oh, this is what you did.

Todd Callender:

We're going to take you out for that from a commercial and an international law point of view is really what I'm trying to say. However, however, what do the Russians do in response to this, Right? The the missiles are provided. They launch one over there. Russia goes and cuts cables.

Todd Callender:

Telecom cables under the sea. Why would they do that? Well, how many systems in Europe are reliant upon those cables, that information? And what defenses are hooked into those? Is NATO hooked into those cables in all likelihood?

Todd Callender:

Did Russia just preemptively cut off their comms so that the prosecution of such a war really couldn't happen? Or if it could happen, it wouldn't happen correctly or properly, or would give Russia the advantage? And I think the answer to that question is yes. So rather than simply responding with bombs and tactical nukes and things of that nature, They're very carefully as as Russians do. They play chess and when they're moving pieces around to preempt this in a nonviolent way.

Todd Callender:

And I think that this all was born and I talked to General Valilee about it, plain enough, because he's the guy that put the meeting together between President Trump and President Putin and Sochi when the soccer ball got passed. And I think that was the defining moment in human history, to be frank with you. The leaders came together and they put down their guns. It's okay. This is not the way.

Todd Callender:

We're going to change the world. We're going to do this differently and then you see the national security policy of President Trump saying no more war. We're going to we're going to compete compete commercially and I think that also goes Seth towards you know, the bricks want to have their own currency, go for it. As long as we have options, as long as humans, consumers have options, how we want to pay for things, where we want to live, how we want to live, that's freedom. So while Klaus Schwab et al were trying to restrict those digital ID locked in your fifteen minute city, they were eliminating options.

Todd Callender:

And Mr. Trump is saying, have your options. That's great. Well, you do you, we'll do us, we'll compete, it'll be great, everybody wins. I love it.

Seth Holehouse:

Well, dude, in in a lot of ways, it's almost as if it's, on a global scale, just true, you know, true free market economy. Right? It's It

Todd Callender:

is. It's exactly the plan.

Seth Holehouse:

You know, you think you have the best pies, and I have the best pies. So instead of me, you know, storming your pie shop and seizing your pies and taking control and putting price controls on them, we'll say, okay. Well, you make your pies. I'll make my pies and and let the best pie win. Right?

Seth Holehouse:

So There's a name for that. I guess there's a way of simplifying it and, you know, As we're heading into Thanksgiving, pies are on my mind. So what what were you saying?

Todd Callender:

Well, rightfully so.

Seth Holehouse:

Sorry. What were you saying? You you were making an important point there.

Todd Callender:

No. I I just wanted to to summarize what you said is exactly right. There's a name for this in economics. It's called economies of scale, and it works beautifully. And this is one of the problems I always had with the European Union.

Todd Callender:

They eliminated economies of scale. Italy had the lira, and they were really good at making Ferraris and all kinds of stuff, wine and food or whatever. Other nations had their own niches exactly as you described in their own currencies, and there were arbitrages inside there. There were savings on currency, savings on the economy built for that particular purpose, pies, for example. All of those kinds of things come into market economics, which of course is the polar opposite of what it is the UN and the OECD want, called circular economics.

Todd Callender:

The money flows up here and you don't get any, right? You're just the slave class. So this is a polar change of of that kind of thinking and I'm watching it unfold and it is a beautiful thing. And I think also let us not forget God's divine hand in all of this. This is a second chance for humanity.

Todd Callender:

We still stand on the edge, precipice of disaster, 80% or so of Americans at least saw the truth for what it is. We got another 20% to pull across the line, and they're and they're gonna come, but it it takes this kind of an event. It takes shock, repetition, and believe it or not, humor to get through that skull.

Seth Holehouse:

And so you think that bay you know, you mentioned the soccer ball exchange and and talking to General Valley. Yeah. So you think that that, basically, that right now, we we have Trump with his incoming, you know, cabinet picks and his you know, what are you all the different elements that are behind him. A lot of them that we we will never know. You know, the the the people that he has working with him, the intelligence that he's getting, etcetera.

Seth Holehouse:

So, you know, you believe that what's happening is you have this this deep state with, you know, Biden's you know, the Biden Harris, you know, kind of, you know, at the head of the White House, which again, that these are puppet positions, you know, gets into Obama and, you know, the Soros, etcetera, that that what's happening is that they are, in essence, trying to poke the bear and trying to Yeah. Basically get Putin to retaliate with news because that cancels the election. Right? If if half of America is if half of America is, you know, of hiding from nuclear fallout, there's not gonna be an inauguration January twentieth. You know, that's just, you know, being very real about it.

Seth Holehouse:

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Seth Holehouse:

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Seth Holehouse:

Right now, the this deep state, this cabal is at this position of being weak and and and losing its power, and and they're trying to make sure that it doesn't it's not able to flare up one last time to create massive havoc. Is that your understanding?

Todd Callender:

Yeah. That that's exactly what I'm saying to you. And I I just to put the pieces in in order and make them a little bit more visible, the deep state is inside of our government. Each country has their own deep state and above them are the owners and the owners of those who create money out of thin air and own those people and own those functions and own those governments. At the end of the day, it is the owner class that sought the destruction of humanity, either by genetic transformation or by elimination.

Todd Callender:

They don't care either way. As long as all of God's creations are gone, that's their mission. And so the answer to your question, in short, is yes. You got it exactly right.

Seth Holehouse:

And so you're kinda playing devil's advocate. I I don't I don't I don't like referring myself as the devil playing the advocate, but, you know, you know what I'm saying. Right? Yeah. So because I know also so there's a lot of people that, especially coming after off of the election, are have this renewed hope, and they're watching they're looking at, you know, Elon, and they're looking at, RFK junior, and and, you know, look at the cabinet picks, and that what they're what they're seeing is that there's this there's this massive revival of just hope and positivity, and you have, you know, Trump coming out talking about you know, he he released a new Bible with Lee Greenwood.

Seth Holehouse:

He's talking about the importance of bringing God back into the country. So there's, you've got Tom Tom Homan talking about his massive deportation operations. There's all these really positive things happening, but I've also noticed that there's a large segment of people that, you know you know, it's easy to say, oh, they're the black pilled ones. Right? And and, you know, but there there's they're valid points.

Seth Holehouse:

Right? And and I like looking at all things. Like, I don't wanna have hope for the future because I'm ignoring the negative signs. To me, that's that's not good. And I do think there's some people that they just wanna take they wanna sit down, strap up, and shoot up that hopium straight into their veins and think that, you know what?

Seth Holehouse:

It's all gonna be fixed now and whatever. But there are some, you know, signs that potentially concern me, you know, even even looking at Elon Musk, right, in his his technology. The fact that

Todd Callender:

Yeah.

Seth Holehouse:

He's heavily invested into mRNA, you know, vaccine production, right, one of his companies that he's heavily involved with, or, you know, he's financially, not as he's not running it. You you look at the the the technology I see that Elon is building, it it's like, could be used for good, but also could be used for very evil. Right? You know, with his low orbit satellite infrastructure, it's like, forget about the concerns of five g. If they've got satellites everywhere that could be monitoring and tracking and tracing, and they've talked about bringing in, you know, more biometric security at the borders for immigrants, which, like, okay.

Seth Holehouse:

Great. That's good for keeping illegals out of the country, but is that also gonna be used on the Americans? Right? Is is the, you know, the crisis of the illegals coming across the border, is it a Patriot two, you know, Patriot Act two point o where we now need this this extra level of biometric security to make sure that our borders are safe. Right?

Seth Holehouse:

So there's a lot of things like this that you look at, and it's like, yeah, that there is some cause for concern. And then I, you know, I I wanna get into, Israel and and the, you know, the very, very, very pro Israel stance of almost everyone that Trump has brought into his cabinet, which we'll we'll kinda get to that next. But in terms of just the there's other kind of warning signs that you might see that some people are saying, look, you know, Trump coming in could be, really, really good, but it's also could be laying the infrastructure for a very, very dark, you know, kind of way of living. How do you respond to that? Because I wanna be able to look at that stuff in the face, and if and if if we can still find hope and positivity, wanna find it amidst that.

Seth Holehouse:

So how do you what's your what's your perspective, though?

Todd Callender:

Well, I I think you effectively already said it. That these technologies, let's just say technology generally, is not by itself evil, it's the use of the technology that can be used for evil or not. The same kind of thought process goes to Israel. We look at Israel as this great giant entity, very powerful one, but we're not looking at the components of it, right? That's that's my point is that there are secular Jews in Israel.

Todd Callender:

There are Christians and Jews Christians in Israel. There are Arabs in Israel, but yet we lump them all together and call them Israel. There's a diversity of thought and also where that nation will go And my hope and belief is no different than I would hope for and believe for every other country and that is that sovereignty reigns. A nation is defined by the people who occupied it is up to them to decide whether they're gonna use technology for good or for not. And I think that if you look at it from a pure economic point of view, if they're dumping all their money into defense stuff and nobody wants to fight with them, then it was wasted money.

Todd Callender:

If they dump all their money into creativity and figuring out how to improve the value and the quality of life of their constituents, then that's a commercial application. That's a better expenditure of money. I think what I'm trying to express to you is that there's a change in the way we think. So literally for Time Memorial, for the last two thousand years, we've thought about defense. We thought about, well, the invaders are coming.

Todd Callender:

We better put up walls and have munitions. But when you come to understand those acquisition of resources by force was always done with a predicate, poking the bears you described it. We don't have to do that. You know, I'll give you an example. You you're a student of China.

Todd Callender:

When Mongolia invaded China, what did China do? They said, bring them in. Let them come. We will turn them into Chinese. Right?

Todd Callender:

That's the philosophy that I think we're moving back towards rather than the walls and the munitions and whatnot and I think that's the I think that's the right vision. It's a vision of peace and how it is you implement any tool. Your shovel could be a weapon. But do you use it as a weapon? No.

Todd Callender:

That that's that's what I'm trying to impart.

Seth Holehouse:

I mean, guns are a prime example. Right? People say guns Yes.

Todd Callender:

Exactly. No.

Seth Holehouse:

I mean, yeah, like, if if I'm, you know, holding up a liquor store with a gun or, you know, you know, robbing a home or, you know, murdering, yes, it's evil. But if I'm a husband and a intruder comes into my home and I use my gun to make sure my family is kept safe, that gun is a tool of of good. And you you mentioned you mentioned

Todd Callender:

tool ever.

Seth Holehouse:

You mentioned one, thing that I really wanna hone in on here that I'm actually I think I'm gonna do an entire show just on this one topic. I think it's very important is you mentioned that just the it's a collective of the people that that really matter, and I think that if you look at that on the level of just the governance of the people, you know, right now, I've been been reading through there's a book called The Crowd by, Gustave LeBron. I'm not sure if you've read or not, but it's a book written in the late eighteen hundreds about the psychology of crowds and how important the crowd is for the

Todd Callender:

Yes.

Seth Holehouse:

For the elites or for the rulers and how the when there's a shift in the thinking of the masses, that's what actually brings about mass social change, and and they understand that, which is why I believe they've put so much effort into building the brainwashing and propaganda machines because Yeah. They can't rule us unless they rule our minds. And so what we see right now is that you you it's like Neo. You know, everyone's kinda pulling that that plug out of the back of their head and saying, I'm not gonna fall for it anymore. And so but that's just looking at things more in the material realm.

Seth Holehouse:

But I also believe that when when I look at when I look at what Trump is doing and what Elon is doing and the people that he's, you know, surrounding himself with, you could look at it, and you could see this could be a very good thing or it could be a very bad thing. Right? Even looking at even Musk's technology, hypothetically, you know, with with Starlink and with x as the everything app reminds me a lot of how WeChat is the same thing over in China, yet WeChat is a tool of totalitarianism. WeChat is what, you know, ties in their social credit score and what prevents them from buying a ticket to you know, on a on a train because they were criticizing, you know, Xi Jinping, whatever that is. But fundamentally, you know, as you know, I talk about I I do look at this as a battle of good and evil.

Seth Holehouse:

And I've Sure. I I absolutely believe the outcome of our country is not dependent on the leaders or the Yeah. The larger geographic, you know, geopolitical issues. I really believe the the destiny of our country is tied to the hearts and minds of the American people, which is why I believe that the the cultural Marxism and and the the the satanic and luciferian agenda has been pushed so hard because they know that to destroy America, they first have to destroy the hearts of the American people and turn us into evil beings. But what I'm seeing is that a lot of what Trump represents, what he's talking about, and not just him, but just the people in in the whole country represents this massive shift towards virtue and morality and and, you know, cherishing the nuclear family and and loving your neighbor.

Seth Holehouse:

And so that's ultimately what does give me hope is because even if they they, you know, say, Elon and Trump, they wanna come in and, you know, say there's some people that say Trump is the antichrist. Right? Let's just say hypothetically that even if they had these evil intentions, well, if the American people collectively have become virtuous again and good hearted, and and there's there's a massive resurgence in faith in God, then no ruler will be able to enslave that populace

Todd Callender:

because the hearts That's beautiful.

Seth Holehouse:

Are are there. So I wanna see what what is your take on that?

Todd Callender:

I think you said it really beautifully. I think you've got that exactly right. I've said it in different ways previously where you cannot govern without the consent of the governed. You, it is precisely what you're saying and you're absolutely right. They spent money on this apparatus called Hollywood and professional sports and whatever else for exactly as you described.

Todd Callender:

It's also for that very same reason. I haven't read that book but I know of other studies that support what it is you're saying. It's also why we focused our efforts on the military first, because you cannot enforce a law without the enforcers. And so we knew that the attack was going to use the military right to come against our own and that's why Operation Warp Sheet was a military operation. It was global and all that stuff.

Todd Callender:

So what we effectively did was try to change the hearts and the minds of the people in uniform. Hey, these shots are dangerous. Don't give them to other people. Don't take them yourself. Don't give them to other people for the exact same reason you just described is that population is needed to enforce the will of the political leaders, and unless they get the buy in, it ain't gonna happen.

Todd Callender:

And you said it earlier now. I am shocked and relieved, to be frank with you, when you see this wokeness is now already out of fashion. It's amazing. We've been two weeks into this change direction for our nation and already you see people who were previously woke saying, my, that was stupid. It's just like, yeah, it was.

Todd Callender:

This is exactly to your point. Think about how malleable our minds have been, that we've been shaped like this, brainwashed like this for so long. And I think here it is two thousand years later, and we have a a new dawn.

Seth Holehouse:

Well, and and I'll pull up something. So and this is what and there's actually, there's a lot of things that give me hope, but this is one of the big ones is you look at this quote right here from Lennon. He says, give me four years to teach the children the seed I have sown will never be uprooted. And this Right. This really, I think, highlights why their agenda in the schools has been so important and why if you trace it back in in the founding of the Department of Education, they're mostly Marxists and communists that have been running

Todd Callender:

Reason for that.

Seth Holehouse:

Because they've wanted to this. But what's amazing is this right here, how you look at the election, you look at the turnout in the recent election, there was a massive shift in Gen z. Right? The youngest voting class.

Todd Callender:

Yes. There was

Seth Holehouse:

a massive I think it was a 13 shift from 2020 from Yeah. Going left to the right. And so that right there, like, this is what again, this is this I guess, it's a it's this episode is kind of like real hopium. Right? It's not the the fake hopium, but that that really gives me hope because amidst this massive indoctrination machine that they've been using to turn our children against our country, against their parents Yes.

Seth Holehouse:

Into little Marxists and red guards, that something about that is failing. And you're seeing it's now becoming cool to be conservative. And that, again, there's this massive shift in in Gen z saying, like, I wanna go vote for Trump. Like, I'm gonna wear a MAGA hat to school. And that, to me, that's one of the things that I think is really important to highlight.

Todd Callender:

It it is. And, you know, it's a a function of time. Truth cannot be contained. It eventually comes out. So you had Mao's Red Book, right?

Todd Callender:

And people dove in. They killed, you know, millions, countless millions of people who didn't go along with that political ideology. That was the plan for America as well, by the way. Same thing happened in Russia. The Soviets had their communist experiment.

Todd Callender:

It doesn't work. And I could go on and on in terms of how many times that this has happened. It's a thought revolution, I think, what it is that you're saying. And I would also suggest to you, if you look into the history of the United Nations education component, predated the American one, who wrote the books, Who controlled the curriculum? Rockefeller's in all cases, and it was global.

Todd Callender:

Who owned the publishing companies for the textbooks? Rockefeller's. That is the owner class is what I'm trying to say to you. And they're missing. Do you think Mr Trump can get up there and say I'm going to eliminate the Department of Education without getting killed?

Todd Callender:

He's up there and he's doing that and his surrogates are doing that as well. Vivek, I loved seeing him sit down with this. I think it was an NBC reporter. She said, you're really gonna get rid of old apartments? He's like, yeah, we are.

Todd Callender:

And so, you know, those guys up there speaking the truth, not hiding their intentions, wearing it on their sleeve. That is how you know there's a change, a cultural change. Just what you said, general, generation Z and otherwise, I see that myself. I've got a couple in my house and their thinking is is different because they're seeing the truth for the first time. Maybe maybe we're all seeing the truth for the first time.

Seth Holehouse:

Yeah, that's a that's a good point. But I do think there's something that that we have to caution ourselves against because if if if we've established this premise of this discussion that it's the the morality of the hearts and minds of the people that that determines the fate of the nation. There's we also we have to be very vigilant. Yeah. Right?

Seth Holehouse:

Because if we if people start deifying Trump and deifying RFK Ah. And thinking that that Trump can save the nation, I think that's very dangerous because to me, that represents, you know, one of the, you know, thou shalt not have you know, worship false idols. Right? It's one of the most, you know, fundamental tenets. Right?

Seth Holehouse:

So that's one thing, which I think we have to be very careful of. But the other thing is I think that there's a lot of pent up aggression within the within the right towards the left. Right? Because they've been attacked. They've been demonized.

Seth Holehouse:

You know, they've been, you know, kind of mocked for, you know, being the unvaxxed and, you know, conspiracy theorists. So that's the other thing that I just we have to caution ourselves again because you mentioned before Yeah. Okay. Eighty twenty, we gotta pull the 20% over. And I I just hope that that I hope that we don't, as a nation, become so, you know, prideful that we were right and you were wrong and and even Really?

Seth Holehouse:

I've I've heard Bill saying that, hey, you know, all the Democrats, we should, you know, pull them out of the country. We should get rid of them. And it's it's like, well Yeah. I I think that we have to have compassion. Obviously, we need to have justice.

Seth Holehouse:

There's people that willfully harmed people and and, you know, people that willfully pushed the vaccines God willing. Led to that. But I think that we have to also have compassion for our fellow Americans. And, ultimately, these are these are God's children also. They're just they they've been deceived by Satan, and we have to help pull them out of that.

Todd Callender:

Well, let me let me clarify what it was I was talking about in terms of the 20% coming over. What what does that mean? What what I mean by that is pulling them over to seeing the truth and requiring the truth, speaking the truth because when we get there, we'll figure it out. It it kind of goes back to your your whole issue of guns as a tool. It's the very best tool the world has ever seen.

Todd Callender:

Why? Because our constitution has survived. Our nation has survived simply because that threat existed. Those very same people you describe as wanting revenge or whatever else. I don't think that's real.

Todd Callender:

I think that those are antagonists that are amongst us again, trying to get a result, trying to get a fight. I think the period in front of us is an opportunity for us to all put down our guns, all seek the truth, all find that at the end of the day when babies come out of mama, they want love. They're not born to be aggressive and go fighting. When you see little kids on the playground, they run up to each other. They don't know their names.

Todd Callender:

They don't know what color they don't care. It's another person to go and love and enjoy. And if we move towards that, which is always founded in truth, morality is founded in truth. If we get to that stage, then I think it's self governing, but the antagonist will continue. So in terms of cleaning this up, Seth, part of that truth is that we must hold these people accountable for if we do not, it shall happen again.

Todd Callender:

And one thing I would say to you also as it related to your your statement as it relates to mister Trump, the you're so right. He, in a few short weeks, will be the single most powerful man in the world. And I I pray for him. I really do because that's a tremendous burden to maintain that humanity part. Know the that was the old phrase saying is that you know power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely and and as humans, we're a little bit frail and and he is a human.

Todd Callender:

So, in in all times, in all times, we have to remember, we are mortal. We are god's creations. We're not gods. We're his creations and as long as we have that higher power giving us natural law, God's law, and we follow it as ensconced in our constitution, brilliant, brilliant document, then we're gonna be okay. That's a guide no different than I look at the Bible as a life guide.

Todd Callender:

I find answers to questions that I didn't know that people have been experiencing for thousands of years. They've gone through that, right? They've already gone through that problem and here's how here's what we found. Great. It's the truth.

Todd Callender:

And that that's our guiding principle. I think that we stick to that and the rest sorts itself out.

Seth Holehouse:

And so looking at because I know that you're you've done a lot of, you know, prosecution, a lot of legal stuff as it relates to the big, big blobs, right, of the DOJ. And, you know, like, those people, it's like, oh, you know, you know, some someone's a war hero if they've litigated against, you know, a Fortune 500 company. Right? Now let alone someone who's litigated against the the DOJ or the the military industrial complex in many ways. And so Yeah.

Seth Holehouse:

You're looking at

Todd Callender:

Exactly right.

Seth Holehouse:

Looking at, kind of more kind of forward looking with RFK junior at the head of the HHS, right, which is now, you know, overseas, the FDA, the CDC, the NIH, and and with the the calls for more transparency in him digging up this information, do you think that do you think that we will actually see real justice happen? I mean, do you think that Yes. Even Trump, and this is what still, I I think we we have to be we have to we can never stop holding him accountable to us as the people, and that's important. That's right. That's right.

Seth Holehouse:

Even recently, he put another, you know, post out on Truth Social talking about Operation Warp Speed, and and it's like, oh, gosh. He's still talking about these things, but maybe I'm not sure what the what the, you know, the plan is for that, but do you think that we will actually see real justice? And I'm not it's not talking about, hey. Wow. We won because Froot Loops no longer has this red dye in it that causes cancer.

Seth Holehouse:

We're talking about, like, you know, repealing the act of 1986, you know, digging into RICO charges against, you know, the pharmaceutical industrial complex, dismantling the system that's purposefully poisoning, which, in a lot of ways, goes back to Rockefeller. Right? And you look you look

Todd Callender:

at the origins of of

Seth Holehouse:

the of the modern medical system. So do earlier. Exactly. So do you believe that we will actually see this system dismantled piece by piece?

Todd Callender:

Yes. Yes. And no different than the means by which we survive today, that will happen because people will demand it. People will demand it because they see the truth. And, you know, in in the early biblical days, people were outcast, right?

Todd Callender:

They were cast into the desert. If you couldn't get along in society, it wasn't a function of jails. Go. You think you can do this? Go survive on your own.

Todd Callender:

And I think that's really what happens here is that one way or another, this is going to happen. There's no stopping this. The genie is out of the bottle. I am fairly well sure in a short period of time, Mr. Fauci is not going to be welcome anywhere.

Todd Callender:

Right? He will not be able to buy or sell with or without the mark of the beast because he's going to be cut off. Nobody is going to deal with it. So whether he's prosecuted or not, he's being cast out into the desert. That's unavoidable.

Todd Callender:

All of them will be. And the real process of justice is to identify those people. And the one hesitation I have in respect of this is that the amount of people that were involved in the attack on humanity scientists going back fifty years lawyers, dear God, a lot of them that made all of these things possible. They also must be held accountable in some fashion and here in lies the tricky part. And this is why in the law we look to somebody's mens rea.

Todd Callender:

What was their intent? Did they know? Were they negligent? Was it intentional? And and that analysis has to be really done on an individual basis, And and so it could take a very long time for the reckoning.

Todd Callender:

But I saw this in the offshore world over the last twenty years where policy changed. The United States and the global leaders said no more you know hiding your money abroad and people in America don't know but twenty years ago that was effectively outlawed here anyway. There's no hiding money outside The United States. The biggest place to hide your money is inside The United States. It may sound strange, but it is nonetheless true.

Todd Callender:

And what we saw was all of the banks, all of financial institutions fell in line because they didn't want to be on the receiving end of the wrath of the tax authorities. And so then there there was a culture shift and it happened so fast. It really only took two or three years where those who were in the business of banking, those who were in the business of of these kinds of things. Change their outlook and I heard, you know, old Swiss bankers in their 70s saying, yeah, gone are those days. Tax compliance.

Todd Callender:

That's our new mantra and they go right in. I think you're going to see that same cultural shift where perhaps there are levels a reckoning, you know, that some people will have to self disclose. That's what we saw. Millions and millions of people self disclose. They pity, please IRS.

Todd Callender:

There was something called the voluntary disclosure program. Millions of Americans went through that. So there's this voluntary compliance thing too. And if we have a big carrot and a little bit of stick, know, on the donkey, we're gonna get there. Really am extraordinarily, it's beyond hopeful.

Todd Callender:

I'm optimistic. I really truly am that this is a change for humanity for the next thousand years.

Seth Holehouse:

I want I'm glad that you mentioned taxes because I I know that, you know, though a lot of people know of you as, you know, an attorney that I know you're also heavily involved in in finance and and understanding taxes and and everything. And you're obviously, you're in the, you know, the The Caribbean, which is a very you know, in a lot of ways, it is a haven for people to, you know

Todd Callender:

It's an international financial center

Seth Holehouse:

Yes. Is where I live. So there's been a lot of discussion about the ending of, federal income tax Yeah. Among many other things. You know, replace that with tariffs.

Seth Holehouse:

And so looking at, again, these massive agencies, this bureaucracy, I'd say the IRS is is up there at the very top or near the very top of of a of a of a organ of the deep state that is used to control and to Right. Persecute the American people. So do you do you think that and and this is not even getting into the Federal Reserve, which is that's the kind of the next step of this, right, is looking at the the role of the Federal Reserve and the the usury and the debt enslavement that we've experienced as a country. So but looking at just the IRS, if, let's just say that within the first six months, Trump passes something that abolishes federal income tax, I I would imagine that a lot of the justification for this massive IRS and a lot of the funding comes from federal income tax. So what what do what would you see, like, if if the Trump continues the direction that, it seems like he's heading, towards, you know, dismantling these systems, What do you see happening to the IRS?

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Todd Callender:

Well, the whole thing's a fraud. So I I can I can give you a very clear and live example? First and foremost, I live in a country that has no income tax. I mean, for twenty five years, and in this country, I've never paid income tax. It's all based on import duties, which are effectively similar to tariffs.

Todd Callender:

It's just a different way of going about it and what you have is a big apparatus for collection up until 2016 that was, you know, customs deployed. So goods and services coming in and out would be taxed in their own way. In 2016, the OECD forced this country to adopt something called a value added tax. Americans haven't seen this, but every time local hands touch something, another 10 gets applied. So it's a cascading tax.

Todd Callender:

The goods that come here attract that tax. The cost of getting them here attracts that tax. Handling them through the port attracts that tax, and it goes over and over and over. Why am I telling you that? Because the national budget of this country was some $550,000,000 to run all services, governmental services.

Todd Callender:

In the first year of that tax, they raised $1,600,000,000 3 times the amount of money they needed to operate the country. Instead of paying down the national debt, they paid all that away to the Bank for International Settlements and borrowed another $550,000,000 What I'm trying to express to you is the debt model economy is a fraud. The taxes that you pay don't go to government services. They never have gone to government services. They only go to pay interest on the debt.

Todd Callender:

So when you look at the true cost of government services, they are so extraordinarily inflated you can't even comprehend it. The cost of running government, particularly when you localize that cost in reality, your property taxes, for example, paying for school. It's not just paying for school, it's paying for your EMS services, emergency services people, fire trucks and cops and things of that nature, taxes in the use of the roads. Those are what they call ABC accounting, activity based costs. When you redo an economy based on an activity based cost, it looks a lot like Libya before they got rid of Gaddafi.

Todd Callender:

The country was selling oil and making a ton of money, and everybody had a house. Gaddafi's mom was the last person to get a house. Everybody had a free education through university. Everybody had a head start. So, of course, he couldn't be allowed to survive.

Todd Callender:

And and the worst thing he did was he made his own money. Gold. Right? Gold in the North African currency. And and with a with a summary judgment, he was executed.

Todd Callender:

His nation was taken over and bombed into oblivion because they couldn't have a shining example of what an equity model economy looks like. What Mr. Trump is talking about doing is ditching the debt model economy and what the other nations are doing and what his national security policy is based on is a switch from a debt model economy into an equity model economy. So we have to look back at taxes for what it is they are. They were designed to suck every last cent out of your pocket, keep you poor so you couldn't think, you couldn't plan, you couldn't grab resources, you couldn't do anything because you owed everybody money.

Todd Callender:

It was intentional, right, to make you a serf. It was just another way about going to accomplish the goal of the enterprise. The monarchies never gave up control. What they did is they just fooled everybody into thinking they were free. And I learned this with being in Poland.

Todd Callender:

I was I was, going skydiving with a Russian, Spetsnaz group who refused to go back to Russia, and they were singing in Russian on the way up about freedom. And I'm like, wait a minute. You're Russian. You're you're Soviet paratroopers. You think you're free?

Todd Callender:

And they did. They thought they were free. I'm like, oh, how does that one work? Because that was the the way by which they got the maximum amount, the most economic means of our sweat and labor, and they collected it all through taxes. We thought we were free.

Todd Callender:

We were never free. We were debt slaves the entire time. That's gonna change. That must change.

Seth Holehouse:

So what does that change look like? I mean, do you think it would be completely abolishing the IRS or sorry. I r x. The IRS, or do you think it like, so you you think that that that we're when you when you mentioned it, I was right No. That's serious.

Seth Holehouse:

Here, going from the debt model economy to an equitable model economy. Like, that's

Todd Callender:

Equity. As in

Seth Holehouse:

owning stocks and

Todd Callender:

bonds, not equity.

Seth Holehouse:

I see. Okay.

Todd Callender:

Not equitable. Those are two different things.

Seth Holehouse:

Okay.

Todd Callender:

Equitable is you got more than I got, so you gotta give me some of that. No.

Seth Holehouse:

That's true. Okay.

Todd Callender:

When you buy stocks, you are buying equity in that company. When you're buying bonds, you're buying debt in that company. I'm talking about owning, right? The citizens country have an ownership interest. That's why our founding fathers required private property.

Todd Callender:

When the settlers first arrived in Jamestown, they tried a communist model economy, and everybody starved. Half the people didn't survive it. They changed it around the next winter and everybody had their plot of land. We now have a nation. That's that's the point.

Todd Callender:

You will work hardest on what you own. So get out of the way because I'll tell you what, you want to see a screaming economy. That is what Mr. Trump appears to be doing. And yeah, you get rid the IRS.

Todd Callender:

It's kind of like Vivek said, are you going get rid of whole departments? Yeah. He's going to. This is where he's going and that's what's going to happen. While there will be other jobs, you will shift those people into private industry.

Todd Callender:

You'll shift them into customs and all the other kinds of things. But I can tell you one thing universally, guns are going away. The guns of our federal agencies, they have been militarized. They all have their own SWAT teams. You have billions of rounds of hollow point ammunition, the best weapons money can buy.

Todd Callender:

That will change. And I can tell you this, the guns are the best tool ever. We will never give up our guns for the very same reason that you said. If mister Trump can't control that power in himself, I think he can. We will always reserve the right to change our minds.

Seth Holehouse:

Gosh. So this could this could really transform things because I was something I I saw it came across recently. So I I've done a fair bit of international travel, you know, and, you know, if say I've gone over to Hong Kong, or I've been to China, you know, Indonesia, different places, and, Singapore. It's always amazing that you'll go you'll go to the other places, and you'll see, gosh, like, these are, like, very advanced countries. They've got high speed rails across the nation.

Seth Holehouse:

Like, you know, in in in Taiwan, it's like, You wanna go Taipei to Kanding, you know, to to go to the beaches in the South? Yeah. High speed rail gets you there. Right? You're going 200 miles an hour.

Seth Holehouse:

You look at and you come and you look at America. You have this old outdated Amtrak train that keeps falling off rails and killing people. And and so Why

Todd Callender:

does it?

Seth Holehouse:

So so when Trump talks about these freedom cities he's building, he talks about the free education. Right? Giving everyone free you know, you may you wanna get a bachelor's degree in a pro America, you know, like, these so these are so he's painting a picture for a very, very different way of life. It's not just about getting rid of the deep state. It's about setting up the country for massive success.

Todd Callender:

It's freeing humanity from the bonds of slavery. That's what he's talking about. And to your point, I talked to a tech guy yesterday, and he said, was in South Korea in the nineties, and people were wearing effectively the the the watches, you know, like the iPhone kind of watch, whatever those things are, Apple Watch. And they were talking to each other on video comms back in the 90s. When did that appear in The United States?

Todd Callender:

So in February and what? I mean, they were twenty years in advance to your point. And the guy said, well, I want to buy one. The seller said, well, go ahead, but you can't use this in The United States. He was like, Well, your technology isn't here to do it exactly your point.

Todd Callender:

So when you liberate the soul, liberate the mind to All of that, all of that shares that fundamental, the foundation of truth. We have to, we've got to understand and we got to digest and adopt the fact that most everything we think we know is wrong. Talk about going to school. And by the way, the other thing that I really, really admire in terms of the policy Mr. Trump is laying forth, it's not just about college.

Todd Callender:

College is just a brainwashing exercise for the most part. What really matters is skill sets. Knowledge is what we're after and when you free people up to acquire that knowledge in different ways, vocational training is brilliant. We need plumbers, electricians, pilots, know, butchers, we need them. Garbage men can be the best at what it is they do.

Todd Callender:

Right? Free them up. Let them think. Let them figure it out. We'll have new ways.

Todd Callender:

It's that innovation. It's freeing the mind. Will drive a stellar economy, and I think it's going to be a global economy. The only the only participants who will fail are those that stick in the old way, persecuting your citizens, enslaving them, sucking every last blood drop out of them, right? That that why?

Todd Callender:

Because when there's competition, people could leave. Think how many people did people left all their crappy countries. They came to United States looking free money. People can move and vote with their feet and will. Competition is the key.

Seth Holehouse:

It's such a good point. It's also why I I I really believe that I think that we will see the CCP collapse probably under the next four years.

Todd Callender:

Yes.

Seth Holehouse:

Just because Yes. Know, the greatest threat to the CCP is a nation like America that is that their citizens can can see and say, gosh. Why is life so beautiful and so free over there? That's called the truth. Exactly.

Seth Holehouse:

So you look at the CCP and their their their, you know, iron their their the the great firewall, everything that they've done to restrict the social credit score, the the persecution of, you know, whether it's the the Uighur Muslims, the Falun Gong, the house Christians, and, you know, people, you know, people are just like, oh, you know, gosh, Christians are being targeted in America or whatever. I I agree they are, but look at what's happening over over in China under the CCP. So I would love to see that because I'd love to see it. Know, there's there's a lot of different movements in China, like the new Federation Of China, I think, is one of the terms for it, but there's a massive resurgence. So I'd love to see that.

Seth Holehouse:

I'd love to see a a strong, free, competitive China that's competing in the right ways with America. So, Todd Beautiful. I know that, you know, we we could keep going, but I feel like this is such a good positive note to end on. But the final step in this conversation is for you to tell us why CloutHub is so amazing because it is something you're doing to support free speech and use your, you know, use your skills and your talents and everything. So, you know, why should someone go to CloutHub.com, Todd?

Todd Callender:

Brother, you are so very kind. Thank you for that. So we acquired and built and rebuilt CloudHub. That's the Meets page, which is designed for video conferencing. And we vis a vis the very conversation we just had, my philosophy is and has been you got to free people up.

Todd Callender:

I don't want your information. We don't keep it. We don't store it. We don't want it. I don't even care who you are.

Todd Callender:

I want to give you the tools so that you can be free. And that's what CloudHub is. It's the uncensored platform. It's anonymous like cash. You use it to communicate your ideas, gather together in groups, multilingual.

Todd Callender:

So there's lots of different modules that try. We've tried to suit everybody's needs and tastes, and the one you got up there is really about video conferencing. Think about all these people that use Zoom that don't understand that the entire contents of your conversation are owned by The PRC, The People's Republic Of China, because their servers are in their Intel headquarters. They're collecting all your data. They're analyzing it, and you're going to be punished for using it.

Todd Callender:

So all you lawyers using Zoom, you're malpracticing. All you doctors are violating your HIPAA oaths by using Zoom. Come to CloudHub. We don't keep it. We don't want it.

Todd Callender:

It's private. It's encrypted, and it's about you and your freedom, not about us.

Seth Holehouse:

Well, there we go. Well, Todd, thank you. Look. Somehow we talked about World War three. We talked about all these things, but I and and I also think I think we we looked at we looked at the potential pitfalls, and we talked about the the lessons that we need to learn going forward and why morality is important, why we can't, you we can't idolize anybody.

Seth Holehouse:

We can't worship any idols, whether it's Trump or Elon Musk or, you know, Brett Favre or whoever it is. Right? You know, there's there's there's Right. You know, there's one source for us to focus on. Right?

Seth Holehouse:

And so, yeah, it's just been, great speaking with you. I look forward to next time, and thank you again for giving us your time today.

Todd Callender:

Oh, Seth, it really is an honor and I can't thank you enough for giving me the opportunity, the platform to share these thoughts. You know what? It's by virtue of this, of sharing our thoughts that we've changed the the minds of a lot of people. It's healthy. It's wonderful.

Todd Callender:

I hope everybody will join in and have similar conversations. So God bless you for what you do. Thank you, my brother.

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