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On the Christmas episode of Die Laughing, hosts Bart and Lindsey welcome guest, Rosalyn Ross, actress, producer and former member of the Grammy Award-winning Fisk Jubilee Singers, to discuss Josh Ruben's 2021 werewolf whodunit, Werewolves Within. With a silver bullet cast (Sam Richardson, Milan. Vayntrub, Michael Chernus, Harvey Guillén, Cheyenne Jackson) and Mishna Wolff's witty and suspenseful script, this entertaining horror-comedy deserves a fate far better than it's Covid hindered, 2021 theatrical release.
Hosts: Bart Shannon, Lindsey Roberts
Guest: Rosalyn R. Ross
Music provided by MKE. Check out more of his music at detectivemusic.com and Detective on Spotify.
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Lindsey Roberts
Lindsey Roberts is a film, commercial and theatre actress, who has appeared in over 20 films including Hustle and Flow and Craig Brewer's breakthrough film, The Poor and Hungry. Her extensive theatre roles have included Velma in Chicago, Tanya in Mamma Mia, Nancy in Oliver and multiple years as Pan in Peter Pan.
What is Die Laughing?
You'd be hard pressed to find a more divisive sub-genre of horror than horror-comedy. Those who hate it, really, really hate it. But for those of us who love horror as much as we love comedy, there is something truly special about a film that manages to combine these two genres into a perfect blend.
On the Die Laughing podcast, hosts Bart Shannon, Lindsey Roberts and a weekly special guest, take a tour through some of the best and worst entries in the horror comedy field!
speaker-0 (00:02.542)
Lindsay, do you hear that?
I do.
What is that? What is that? I don't- I know what this is. Hang on just a second. Hey! Knock it off! Sorry, it was my neighbor. Hey, it's our Christmas episode! It-
okay.
How about that? Merry Christmas! Happy Holidays! Happy New Year! All the things! All of the things!
speaker-0 (00:27.342)
Everything!
speaker-0 (00:31.552)
It's a Christmas episode. I think we get into this and we bring the Yuletide gay. That's how that phrase-
That's, yeah, it is how that goes. We make the Yuletide gay. I think just the two...
Cheers.
Just the two of us, we are making Yuletide gay. Just the two of us, Yuletide gay. Let's do this. Welcome to the Christmas episode of Die Laughing.
Alright.
speaker-0 (01:03.723)
you
speaker-0 (01:10.882)
Lindsay Roberts, it is another week.
yes it is. How are you, my friend? I'm good. Good.
good. Making it I am making it as best I can.
You're busy. You're a busy bee, Bart.
You know, everybody is. I used to have a friend that would use I'm busy as an excuse for everything. And then a mutual friend said to him, you know, we're all goddamn busy. Everybody's busy. It's what human beings are. It's what adults are. all busy. And he's like, oh yeah, I guess so. So yeah, that's just the way it is. That being said, we have a new movie this week.
speaker-1 (01:40.173)
Yes.
We do have a new movie this week and I'm gonna reserve my thoughts but I enjoyed myself. I loved it. It was good one.
I dig this movie too. guess we can go ahead and say it. This week's movie is Werewolves Within by Josh Rubin. Written by Mishna Wolf, oddly enough. Wolf. A wolf in the house. This is Josh Rubin who also did Scare Me, which is another great hair comedy.
It's a hair comedy. It's a hair comedy. Everybody. Everybody look at the hair comedy.
It's another great horror comedy. Yeah, really well made film, got a great movie, and we have a great guest this week.
speaker-1 (02:20.728)
Well, yes, I'm thrilled about our guest this week. I'm so excited. Yep, same. One of my favorites, an amazing actress. I'm so excited. Way better than me. If I could learn anything from her, I'd try.
Should we stop just fucking around and bring her on and get this party started? right, so our guest today is, as Lindsay said, is a fantastic actress. We all met in Memphis, Tennessee, which I'm sure people are sick of hearing about Memphis, Tennessee on the spot.
Duh. Yes.
speaker-1 (02:49.472)
Get over it. Get the fuck over it people. Get the fuck over it.
She now lives in Los Angeles, California, and I have had the privilege of working with her several times. Always an absolute thrill to work with her. Always such a blast watching her do her thing. And I am just giddy to talk to her today. So we're going to bring on Rosalyn Ross to talk about Werewolves Within.
Hey Rosalyn!
Hello, hello. You guys are like way too kind on this intro. And Lindsay is gonna get us struck down the hill because she lied. Because in no world am I better than her. She's like one of the most amazing actresses ever. But I can come in second. Like I'm fine with that.
We'll battle it out. How about that?
speaker-2 (03:35.5)
Sounds like a plan.
It would be a battle of two fine actresses, so it would be a good battle all the way around.
A win-win.
I'll take it. Pretty good. Yeah. It's just, I survived a pandemic and a strike and, now maybe an apocalypse. mean, we're still holding out. Like we're trying to figure out what's happening, but I'm getting my bunker ready. Yeah. The results are not in just yet, but getting my bunker ready and the protocol ready for the bunker. So hope you guys are doing the same.
So how you been?
speaker-0 (03:58.412)
All results are not in.
speaker-1 (04:08.61)
Well, I'm dealing with the National Guard over here, so if you need anything, you know.
You're on the front lines of this transition.
What a coincidence. So, Rosalind, you guys had your National Guard about a month or two ago, and now both Lindsay and myself, we're living in cities where we now have the National Guard.
going to say, my city might be a little bit more needed than yours. I'll say that because everybody knows the dangers of Portland.
cosplay?
speaker-2 (04:34.766)
I was gonna say, it is definitely being received differently. Memphis is like, my gosh, and then Portland's like, let's see how many characters we can dress up in today.
Yeah.
We're still looking for those fires that are burning everywhere. Even Fox News for some reason can't find those fires that the president keeps talking about. Maybe it's metaphorical. Maybe that's it. Or maybe it's sarcasm. Like he said about fixing the war in a day. He was just being sarcastic. That's what it is. So he sent the National Guard in over sarcasm.
wouldn't want a little sarcasm in our fight for justice and equality and peace. Infuse some sarcasm into that.
Maybe he watched Pig with Nicolas Cage. That was set in Portland. Maybe that's what he was watching. I pigs. I saw chefs in a fight club-like scene. It's rogue. Maybe that's what he said. He was Pig. He fucking was watching Pig.
speaker-1 (05:12.824)
That's very well.
speaker-2 (05:22.114)
He's got a different satellite connection. He's seeing stuff we can't see yet.
Exactly. That's the story they're going to give us. Let's talk about this week's movie. Yeah. Werewolves Within. When I first saw the trailer, when the movie came out, 2021?
2021.
First of all, Sam Richardson. As soon as I saw Sam Richardson, it's like, it's about fucking time Sam Richardson has a leading role. Veep had like three characters, like when they came on to that show just totally changed the show. And then I'm not gonna go too deep into my Detroiters infatuation. He's pretty amazing.
Yeah, so.
speaker-2 (05:45.942)
Absolutely.
speaker-2 (05:57.07)
Excellent.
Yeah, he's on the poker face. He was on Ted Lasso. Yeah. A couple episodes of Ted Lasso too.
He did a couple of episodes, maybe more than a couple of this little known show, very black show on HBO Max called South Side. yeah. Which is like about Chicago. It's a crazy, insane comedy about the weirdness and the gangster and the politics of Chicago. And he was a part of that as well. Hilarious in that.
Yeah, Sam Richardson is so great. mean, as soon as, like you say, as soon as I watched the trailer, was like, ugh.
Yep, same here. was intrigued, knew I was gonna watch it the moment I saw the trailer. Speak it up. Yeah. Let's just go ahead and play the trailer and we can watch it together and then people can listen.
speaker-1 (06:42.062)
Yeah, perfect.
speaker-2 (06:46.124)
pecker or snowshoes. What? People do that? You know, fun fact, not only is it the oldest, but remains one of the most effective means of traversing the ice. Wow. Yeah. You're going to fit right in at Beaverfield. Everything here is a little... questionable. Ranger! The P-Boy.
Weather. Everything.
speaker-0 (07:18.013)
you
You look like you just seen a corpse
Well, the roads are aft. And something's wrong with the generator. All of them? They can't get on the internet! Uh, also, there's a dead body under your porch. Holy f-
Which generator?
speaker-2 (07:43.854)
Probably a wolf. What are you like a wolf detective now, Marcus?
Who... who went in? Who's gonna kill next?
you
It's unsafe outside, there's safety in numbers. Out of curiosity, who is packing? Well, we're having a good ol' fashion sleepover. With guns, With guns, yes. Everything about this predator is unorthodox. It's not human. It's not canine. It's one of them. One of war- werewolf.
like.
speaker-2 (08:23.438)
Look at it going in here.
How they get out? She says they got out. I'm a werewolf. Maybe you're a werewolf. Maybe you're a werewolf. You're a werewolf. You're a werewolf. You're a werewolf. Maybe we're all werewolves!
Hey
speaker-2 (08:49.25)
Are we really in a Mexican standoff right now? Baby! Don't say Mexi-
Just...
next time.
speaker-2 (08:57.678)
You know what? Probably just gonna head out. Wait, just pull it. it just- Wait, please, don't scare me! Oh, Oh,
Please don't bother the lums. my goodness, could have gotten the...
Boom! Werewolves will then.
There it is.
It's such a great trailer. It leads you down all of the right paths, right? I think it's a really fun trailer.
speaker-2 (09:21.556)
It is. It is.
speaker-0 (09:28.076)
I also immediately was reminded the first time I saw the trailer, my thought was, hey, that's the AT &T girl.
1000%.
Yeah. Lily! Exactly. feel like I've seen her over the last couple of years in a couple of comedies.
She was in This Is Us. She has like little bit parts, you know what mean? She was even like a little bit part in the new Ghostbusters movie. Like a real bit really? And then she had a couple of episodes of This Is Us. I mean she just has these little things, but this was I think her first big role in a film. Yeah.
the legalities of her career have to be so airtight because she cannot take a role that is too risque because she will lose that sweet, sweet AT &T money. I guarantee you every script has to be approved by AT &T. so like one time she says, we're something AF. I wondered like, was it as fuck in the script? And she said AF. So it's gotta be a tough situation. Great to have to have constant work like that. But at the same time, when you want to venture out, you really
speaker-2 (10:07.311)
my god.
speaker-1 (10:24.536)
Yeah.
speaker-1 (10:31.744)
So they did overlap. yeah. Is she still the AT &T girl?
was just about to say that I haven't seen her in a while.
Honestly, I haven't seen her since last year, but I did see her last year. Maybe it during the playoffs or March Madness. She's adorable.
She is so cute. She is adorable. She is so cute. And then I looked up like images and like pictures of her at premieres and stuff like that. I'm like, no, she's not cute. She's hot. She's fucking gorgeous. Holy shit. Is fucking hot.
She's a bombshell. is.
speaker-0 (11:04.096)
Let's get into the movie because there's some things I wanna say, but I don't wanna say them until there's a certain scene in the movie.
I know what you're talking about.
I want to hold my thoughts till then, but same thing. I have seen the premiere photos. I have come across like Reddit threads about her.
It is strange. She really comes off as just really kind of cute. Yeah. In everything that she does. then you see these like pictures of her and I'm like, Lily, what's going on?
she's vamped out.
speaker-2 (11:28.514)
Good acting.
speaker-2 (11:36.226)
But one quick question, I hate to speculate or count other people's money, but I'm so interested, like between her and Flo, what are these contracts? What are these contracts?
Perfect career.
I don't think they ever have to work again if they don't want to.
could this money even be? Yeah, I would think so.
I love Flo and she's actually a very good actress. I've seen her in lots of like films. But man, if you can just land that commercial, you ain't gotta do nothing the rest of your life, girl. Everybody's set.
speaker-2 (12:03.318)
Yeah, that's beyond regular sag stuff. Like when I'm looking at Lily on these AT &T, I'm like, it's, it's not quite spokesperson or is it?
I mean, when you're a hundred percent recognizable as the face of those campaigns, yeah, you are locked in.
Yeah, I would imagine very lucrative in that you don't have to work again.
Again. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yes, let's do it. Let's dive in. it. All righty.
You guys wanna get started?
speaker-2 (12:25.577)
Yeah, let's do it.
Here we go. So the film opens up in the snowy woods of Beaverfield. I even like the name of the town.
Sorry. I'm 12. I apologize.
In the first scene, we see a man leaning against a tree. We don't know who this guy is yet. And he's texting with someone and something is stalking him in the woods. Pretty quickly, this unseen creature attacks him and devours him. And that's where that scene ends. And still don't know who the guy is. But my hunch is we're going to know who he is later. So then it says 29 days later, and then we follow upbeat but timid forest ranger, Finn Wheeler, played by Sam Richardson.
And they do a great transition from where the guy in the snow dies and he's screaming to Sam screaming in his car. It's jarring, but it's a great little transition. He's trying to psych himself up into being the new ranger in this town and he's listening to this self-help tape. And they're like, just scream. And he's like, he just started screaming in his car. It was a really good transition, I thought.
speaker-0 (13:30.734)
And right away you see that he needs this self-help recording because he calls his girlfriend and she doesn't answer. And he's very, very timid about it. Like, can call me back or not. And he's like, you know what? And then he, you could tell he thinks about the self-help recording. He just would listen to it. He's like, no, you're going to call me back. I need you to call me back. So he is definitely trying to become the better version of himself.
Yeah, you know immediately based on that conversation that Charlotte, his girlfriend, has said to him a thousand times, you're way too nice. You never take charge in our relationship. I always have to decide where we're going to eat. I always have to decide what we're going to do. You you can hear every single argument just based on that little clip of what he says to her in the car. And it's like, I get it, Charlotte. You know, at some point you just gotta take fucking charge and you gotta tell me, I'm taking you out on a date and this is what we're doing tonight. Fabulous, what do I wear?
even before he calls Charlotte, we know it's a broken relationship. Just the actual thing of him listening to self help. You never think it's a career situation that somebody needs help through. You always know it's a relationship.
And the fact that he gets our voicemail right away, you know, it's like, he's always getting your voicemail. quick, we find out he's the new forest ranger in town when he arrives at the Beaverfield Lodge, which is run by Janine Sherman. We learn pretty quickly as well that Janine's husband has been missing for a few days and we meet Sam Parker, who's played by Wayne Duvall. He was an O Brother wear out though. I know, I did not know that was him.
can't. Did not know it was him. And I was like, why does he look so familiar? And I looked it up and it was like, brother, where art thou? Even hearing that, I was like, where in the world was he and brother, where art thou? And when they showed that he was Homer Stokes, I was like, no, what? And all I can see is him screaming, is you is or is you ain't my constituents. God, he was so.
speaker-1 (15:26.094)
fucking good in that movie and he's great in this.
He's a great dick.
years. Yeah. Yeah, that's perfect. Perfect.
But yeah, Janine Sherman, Katherine Curtin, she was in Stranger Things and Orange is the New Black and Homeland. She's been in a ton of stuff too.
She's a bad man, no kidding.
speaker-2 (15:40.27)
Yeah, I remember in Homeland, she's amazing.
Yeah. Yeah. So right away we meet Sam Parker and he's a gas company rep trying to push this divisive pipeline project through and it will play a large part in the storyline for the rest of the movie. And then Finn meets Cecily Moore, the quick witted local mail carrier played by Milana Vayntrub, who's the AT &T girl. Yay. So Cecily takes Finn to, and I had to rewind it because I wasn't sure where they were going and why they were going to deliver something.
She was dropping the package and he was going to investigate the complaint.
That's right.
She delivered him the letter to his room. Yeah, she said, is my first case. she's like, you he's like, don't know where this is. And she's like, well, I got to deliver a package over there so I can walk with you. So that's why they head over where they're going. Yeah.
speaker-0 (16:19.51)
illegal trapping.
speaker-0 (16:32.248)
So as they're walking there in the snow, we meet most of the town. And I thought it was a great way to just almost like a play. Perfect. Let us see all the characters. First characters we meet are the loud mechanic couple, Marcus and Gwyn. Sarah Burns and George Basil. Have you ever seen Crashing? Pete Holmes Crashing on HPL? No. It's Judd Apatow, the character who plays Marcus, George Basil. He plays the guy that cheats on
Yeah, it was really perfect.
speaker-1 (16:53.282)
No.
speaker-0 (17:00.664)
Pete Holmes wife and becomes a major character and is one of the funniest parts of the whole.
gotcha. They were a pair, weren't they?
They were.
After that we meet the right-wing married couple Pete and Tricia Anderton played by Michaela Watkins and Michael Cherness Michael Cherness obviously from Severance now this did predate Severance right? Yeah. Yeah. Right away you see the Pete is a little handsy when he leans in for a hug.
Absolutely.
speaker-1 (17:29.292)
Not even trying to hide it.
Yeah, and then he gives Finn a salute with his left hand and Finn says, never the left. And Pete says, never the left. My kind of guy. they're right.
Perfect. I think Cecily, her little like one line aside to that was like, that's not what he meant. And so only when she said that, that I get that he was so excited because he thought this was another right winger. Like only when that line landed, I'm like,
Good
speaker-1 (17:59.608)
And you can go back and watch that movie five times and catch those little underhanded moments in the script. Much of this humor in this film is under the breath and it's just done really, really well. It's great.
Well, I didn't even notice until this viewing, Mrs. Anderton says something about cutting someone's head off and Pete says, lock her up. Did you hear that? Did lock her up? And then she's like, lock her up. Then we meet the pretentious newcomers Devin and Joaquin, not Joaquin. Cheyenne Jackson plays Devin.
Block her.
speaker-1 (18:32.278)
stop. Just stop this very instance. When I saw Cheyenne Jackson, I about lost my mind. Do you understand that I lost my mind? I am obsessed with Cheyenne Jackson and not because of the world of film. I'm obsessed with him because of his work in theater, but he was in All Shook Up. He originated the role of Sonny in Xanadu. Finian's Rainbow, Into the Woods. I mean, cause that's my world, right?
When I saw Cheyenne Jackson on that screen, was like, well, the heavens have parted and he has arrived. Yes, here he is. I mean, like I, first of all, he's the hottest man on the planet, right? But he's so funny and he's so talented. And I mean, as a theater geek, I just love him.
always see Cheyenne Jackson as the street robot Danny Baker from 30 rock.
Yeah, I mean, he's done a ton. I mean, he really does both, but I know him more for his theater work.
Yeah.
speaker-0 (19:32.258)
And his husband is Harvey Gillian, who's Guillermo from What We Do in the Shadows.
had Lindsay's enthusiasm when I saw her again. Like I love him so, so, so, so,
Yeah. Not as Joaquin. Joachim is this character's name.
It's so specific about this name.
Someone calls him Joaquin, at one point he's like, it's Joachim with an
speaker-1 (19:53.358)
The two of them together, I mean priceless that is the best casting right there. Yeah
my goodness.
Like when well I won't get into it now, maybe we'll get into it later But yeah, so good So then they get to the house which was the reason for their trek through the town is to get to the cabin of Emerson Flint the Hostel hermit living in the deep woods this fucking guy Glenn Fleschler He is the Chechnyan mob boss and Barry, but he's also I don't want to give anything away But he was in season one of true detective and played a major role in true detective
He's got a heck of a fucking career.
He can play any type of characters. He's so funny, but also scary and Barry, but he also can play just scary.
speaker-1 (20:33.74)
and completely unrecognizable
Exactly. So, Cecily and Finn bring the complaint from the doctor about his illegal trapping and he meets them at the front door with a shotgun and tells them to get off his property. He doesn't respect his authority or his badge or this country. After this, Cecily takes Finn back to a local bar that she has the keys to for some reason. Just a quick one-off line. I deliver their packages during the winter, so I have a set of keys. It's like, okay. Okay. So they go into this bar and flip on the lights and it's,
Mm-hmm.
speaker-0 (21:04.27)
It's a jukebox, it's a pinball machines. It's just, it's decked out. The set deck is great. It looks great. It's a nice refreshing change from the snowy landscape of Beaverfield. But this is the scene that I was wanting to talk about. She says, well, let me go see if I can find something to warm up. And she goes into the kitchen and she says, put some on the jukebox. He's so good. It's just these little, so there's a, there's a lot of, a lot of nineties. In the nineties. I'll just play something. So he plays, I saw the sign by Ace of Base.
I good.
speaker-1 (21:27.342)
90s on here.
speaker-1 (21:34.038)
It's so good and it's loud as shit.
It's so loud.
Synchronized lighting.
Yes.
Good. It's shocking to see her when she comes out of her male carrier uniform and just normal clothes looking sexy as hell.
speaker-1 (21:50.616)
she's in a tank top, got beers in her hand and they have this like slow-mo, it's like she's dancing straight towards him and I was like, okay, Lily.
He turns around in slow-mo to see her for the first time. It's just a great scene. Very well done.
And he waves at her. She's dancing and he's just like, hey. He doesn't say anything. He just raises his hand and waves. It's so funny.
So as Finn and Cecily talk, he realizes that he and his girlfriend are actually broken up just by how she's kind of walking him through that conversation. He realizes they're not talking, they haven't spoken in a while.
They haven't seen each other in a while. She's like, oh shit, we're broken up, aren't we?
speaker-2 (22:28.974)
They don't live in the same place.
He's like, I'm broken up, aren't I? broken up, are we? Yeah. Yeah. You're broken up.
Later in that same scene, and Cecily bond over Henry David Thoreau. And Finn says that it's the reason he got into rangering. Cecily says, you know, I feel most myself outdoors. So I guess she likes the outdoors as well, I guess is what she's trying to say. They bond over this and just as they're about to kiss, Finn's ex-girlfriend calls and totally ruins the moment. And he stops to answer the call, still hung up on her and Cecily storms out.
Mm-hmm.
speaker-1 (22:47.234)
Hehehehehe
speaker-1 (23:03.15)
because she's like, hey, hey, Charlotte. Yeah, it's a great scene. It's a great scene. And they do the ax throwing to let us. Yeah. And when they realize that he's like, I'm broken up, aren't I? And she's like, yeah, you are. You want to us some steam? And he's like, yeah. So they just started throwing axes.
Yes, because you want to do a little violence?
Him trying to have this conversation with Charlotte is like so dangerous on many levels because actually on that walk up to deliver the package, he was trying to have a call and like she's trying to warn him like, dude, there's a sign that says I shoot all trespassers on site and he can't see anything because he's so.
trying to have this call with Charlotte. And I'm like, she's ruining everything. Like we never meet this character. I'm like, but she ruined your make-out session. She almost got you killed. This person hates you. Like whether you're broken up or not, she does not care for you at all. She's ruining- Let it go.
your life. Time to let Charlotte go.
speaker-0 (23:59.05)
Cecily even says after that scene like, you didn't see it? were on your phone or something?
You're on your phone? Exactly. Almost got shot on sight, dude. Like, please, this is not the life you want.
That same night we see that a blizzard is rolling in. Tricia Anderton lets her dog out and gets killed by an unseen creature. This is our second creature attack of the film so far. I found her quite annoying in her reaction to this. was so...
She loves that dog. She sure loves that dog Bart.
Chachi.
speaker-2 (24:30.636)
Were you annoyed and amused or just annoyed? Okay.
80-20. I know it 80. Okay. I should a couple of great lines later, but I was like, dial it down.
She wasn't my favorite. I thought she was a smidge over the top.
She's been fucking everything too.
Yeah, no question.
speaker-1 (24:49.134)
She's been in a lot, but it's all kind of like one-off episodes, right? And a lot of voiceovers.
The very next morning, all the main characters we met, aside from that hermit, Emerson Flint, and the mechanic couple, they're not there either, but everyone else that we've met previously arrives at the inn because of all the noise that Tricia Anderton's been making, and they discover their dogs have been killed. In this scene, we meet Dr. Jane Ellis for the first time. She's the environmentalist that's mentioned earlier as being upstairs at the same time that Sam Parker is trying to get a pipeline through. And they also realize that the power is out everywhere.
And so that's just like, everything's kind of ramping up. There's a blizzard, the power's out, and then the mechanic couple, Marcus and Gwen, arrives, saying that the streets are storm fucked.
laughter
Sam Richardson said, what did he say? And Cecily goes, he said they're storm fuck.
speaker-1 (25:39.758)
So good. So they're trapped.
I love how everything's going to crap outside, but consistently, Pete Anderton is gonna be a creep, because he's like, our dog died and goes immediately to hug, like to feel up Cecily. It's like, dude, like, feel up your wife, she's hysterical, and you're going in the total opposite direction. So ridiculous.
my god. Yeah, he was great.
He was very good in this too. Once they assume that Emerson has killed the dog, he's like, mystery solved. And as he turns to walk away, he hits those bells that are hanging on the wall. And he goes, Chachi just got his wings. So the power's out. Finn says that he's going to go to town and check on the generators and get them going. And while in town, Finn discovers that the generators have been sabotaged and he also finds a dead body. Also huge claw marks on the side of the building as well.
He brings the body to the front porch, puts a tarp over it. He tells everyone that he's found a body and that the generators have been sabotaged. so they all go to the front porch and we find out that it is Janine's missing husband that they thought had run away with another woman.
speaker-1 (26:46.722)
Janine's scream. It's the camera angle. You only see the tarp covering the body. Janine is in the center. It's another clump. We all know I love a clump moment. Janine is in the center. Everybody's sort of surrounding her. We're all looking down on this body and he uncovers it and she just lets out this Madeline Kahn, Mrs. Black, just insane scream that is the.
It is the camera angle.
speaker-1 (27:13.858)
funniest thing and she's just staring at the dead body and it lasts forever and it's just so funny.
in that same setup, Dr. Ellis raises up into frame at one point.
Then we have a jump scare, right? She's screaming, everybody's there, and all of a sudden another head appears besides Janine, and it's Dr. Ellis, and she's got her tweezers, and she's gonna inspect the scene. Girl, I'm dead.
card tweezers and her camera. Like she's immediately on the scene to document everything. So.
She was such a great straight man. Yes. Yeah. So we've got a dead body.
speaker-0 (27:47.342)
The dead body. So the stakes are a little higher, not just a dead dog. Joaquim has a funny line when Trisha is crying about Chachi being dead and he goes like, is this a baby or is this just not a bear or this is just an animal? Cause then it's no big deal.
This was her baby.
They immediately suspect Emerson Flint, so it kind of makes sense. So Finn and Cecily go to question him. And while they're there, Finn's kind of giving him a speech about being a good neighbor. And he says, you know, like Mr. Rogers. And Emerson Flint says,
Who's that? Who's that? And they both go, huh? So let's harken back to the beginning of the film. They actually quote Mr. Rogers.
That's a Mr. Rogers quote that's on the screen.
speaker-1 (28:26.69)
Yes. So it's a Mr. Rogers quote on the screen. And it is really creepy the way they do it. There's this ominous music in the background and they just release the quote almost like line by line. When they list that it's a Mr. Rogers quote, there's like drums and it swells and it's like, Mr. Rogers. And it's like, these two things don't match at all.
You know what I mean? So I think that gives us sort of the ride that you're in for right from the get-go, right from the beginning of the movie. And I was like, what is this gonna have to do with anything? And now all of a sudden we're in the cabin and we have this mention of Mr. Rogers and Emerson's character goes, who's that? And they're like, huh? They say it at the same time. and Cecily say it at the same time. Huh?
There's a cut right on that line. They cut right from the cabin back to the inn. At the inn, Dr. Ellis is in her room and tells Janine, the innkeeper, that she's going to find out who killed your dead husband. Did you see her reach out to like she was going to touch her arm with compassion, the doctor, and then she pulled her hand back. Exactly. And then Janine's like, thank you, and reaches out for a hug. And then the doctor just turns around and she's like hugs the air and pulls her hands back. I thought that was very... We go back to the cabin, Emerson Flint's cabin.
Yeah
speaker-1 (29:41.994)
It was cute.
speaker-0 (29:46.554)
and Cecily discovers Chachi's collar. So the dead dog's collar as at Emerson's cabin. So we got our first clue. The first time I saw this, I don't think I knew who it was until the reveal made.
No, I had no idea. No, I had no clue. This was actually a real whodunit. And it was it's one of those movies. It's because it was done so well. I was like, I don't have any idea what's going on. Is it one person? Is it lots of people?
I had no clue, no.
speaker-2 (30:15.488)
Not only did I have no idea, I also was not really certain we would find a wolf. Yeah. Like it felt like anything could be happening. multiple things happening at once with a lot of like people seeking vengeance and like it just, I wasn't sure. I really wasn't. I'm like, I'm just gonna have to see how this goes. Cause I can't quite tell.
I don't want to say what's happening because it was a thrilling ride, but I really couldn't tell what was happening. There were a lot of pieces.
Yeah, they did a good job of pointing the fingers in different directions and it being convincing every time they pointed.
of different kinds of issues too. Like there's this dude who wants to do the environmental hack job and then there's the doctor who's weird and they like weird for a different reason.
And very much like clue they keep through dialogue will say it like, you're the one that's wanting to do this. I heard you say this. Your husband was. Yeah. They do a tremendous job of laying all of that. So you just never know. It's like, well, that makes sense. That is so clue like to, lay out the possibilities for each person being the killer.
speaker-1 (31:12.803)
me.
speaker-1 (31:23.41)
everyone does have a little motive which is why it's kind of a fun little social satire piece everyone has their own crap in this small little town and we all have vendettas
which is what you should do in a whodunit. So back at the inn, Cecily tells everyone there that Emerson has killed Chachi. Fans are like, well, we don't really know that. We don't know that for sure. Everyone is freaking out now and angry. And they think they've found their killer of Chachi. Right afterwards, Dr. Ellis tells Jeanine, the innkeeper, that her husband was possibly killed by a wolf, but the DNA was suspect. She's got a lot of lab equipment.
Exactly.
speaker-2 (31:56.888)
running by battery at this point because there's no power.
Yeah, true!
Also, she's just sitting up in there drinking the whole time, y'all. She grabs a flask from Sam Parker. She just has kind of alcohol everywhere. So weird.
So at this point, they all decide to stay at the inn to be safe. They'll all stick together and stay in one place. If Finn asks, because anybody has a firearm and everyone raises their hand and they all have a bunch of guns.
They're like, Jesus, everybody's got a bucket gun. And he says, it's a good old fashioned sleepover. And he's like, with guns. And he's like, yeah, mm-hmm, with guns.
speaker-0 (32:33.792)
And Peter Anderton, again, he says, I will be sleeping where my gun is unless someone would like me to stay in their room. Cecily, would you like me to stay in your room?
The conversation actually is a complete euphemism for the gun being his penis. Do you understand that? Go back and listen to it. He's like, I'm going to be sleeping with my wife unless someone else wants my gun. Cecily, and then he says, Cecily, do you have protection?
Dare room.
speaker-0 (33:08.75)
that's right. That's right.
I missed that part of it. I missed the protection part. Yeah.
And she's like, I'm all set. The entire conversation is real gross, but very funny in a very funny way. Yeah.
I can't remember if it was before that or like right after. Maybe it's when the doctor says that there's a wolf, but they show his wife knitting the thing that looks like animal hair.
Right. And she's doing it so fast and like intense.
speaker-2 (33:39.438)
But it looked like fur. that point I was like, did she kill her own dog? Like it looked very suspicious.
I don't know a lot about knitting, but I thought the same thing. He's like, what the fuck is that? It looks like a giant tuft of fur. I didn't have any answers for that one. I left perplexed. They all go to bed and immediately we see that Pete is attacked in his bed, pulled from his bed and dragged down the hallway. Everyone comes to his aid with guns blazing. The mechanic is just firing all over the place trying to shoot the attacker. He loses a hand and one of the bullets hits him pretty close to the chest.
Yeah, Gwen is just firing away, man. Sarah Burns, she just, she ain't giving a two shits, she's just firing.
So Dr. Ellis pulls a hair sample from Pete's wound and immediately takes it to her room to analyze it. Cause she's got a hunch as always. Pretty soon after that, she locks herself in her room. They try to check on her. She blasts with her gun from the other side of the room and tells them that the hair sample is of a lacanthrope. So she says it's a werewolf, even though no one really believes it. And she says, and it's one of you. One of you is a werewolf.
And she's talking through the holes in the door. So at one point you can see her mouth through the hole and then at another point you can see her eyeball and the mechanic husband's like, what did her eyeball say?
speaker-1 (34:59.772)
I didn't hear it! no!
I didn't hear that.
speaker-2 (35:04.91)
Like what did her eyeballs say?
Great. God, man, I'm telling you, you could just go back and watch this film just for those lines. So many good ones. I wonder how much of it was scripted.
I hope she wrote every fucking line of this. I hope it's just that tight of a script. man. Because if she did write every line of this, then we've got a lot more great scripts coming from her. Yeah. This next scene happened super quick, and I don't think the first time I saw it, I knew what was happening. But the next shot, we see the doorknob in her room. A bullet comes through her keyhole, knocks her doorknob out, and then we hear Sam Parker in her room. There's a struggle, and then gunfire.
I hope it is.
speaker-0 (35:50.094)
and then he comes out and says she killed herself. The first time I saw it, I don't think I knew he was in the room. I didn't really understand what was happening. So that happened super quick. He's in that room, bam, bam, bam, comes out, she killed herself. It's suspect. And then Janine the innkeeper doesn't believe it for a second.
Yeah, finally later she's like, am I the only one who's gonna say this out loud? This doesn't make any fucking sense. Why should we believe him? And I'm like, right, yes.
We shouldn't. Yeah.
The next thing they're all in the den of the lodge, immediately Joaquin says, everyone shut your whore mouths and listen to this. Like, now that's the Guillermo we always needed. So they all start talking about werewolf folklore and all these different cultures. seems like everybody has a little idea about werewolf culture and.
Yes. Yes.
speaker-1 (36:39.0)
Kim says it's always the seventh child. But they're all yelling at each other. They're all pointing the finger at each other.
Paranoia is just rampant in the room. start accusing of each other of killing people over the proposed pipeline. Then everyone pulls out their guns. So everyone's pointing their guns and Devin says, we're really going to have a Mexican standoff right now. And Joaquin says, baby, don't say Mexican. Just stay.
Just stand up. So good. Is this the one where Finn grabs the cup and throws it against the wall or is that the next?
This is where everyone's bringing out and he throws the china against the wall.
And then this line absolutely murdered me because my China is also this. says, Janine says, that was royal crown Derby. When she, when he throws the China against the door. But listen, that's not how you pronounce it. Somebody call them. It's royal crown Derby. I loved the line, but I was like, they're wrong. Who's going to call them?
speaker-0 (37:36.492)
Well, she also pronounced lecanthrope.
LeCanthrope, yeah.
Is this also the scene where she like burst into tears about her husband leaving her because she wasn't doing it for him anymore? And then she's like falling apart and then everybody's trying to encourage her like, no, you were awesome. And why Kim says, yes, you have clothes. It's like, that's the best you can do.
believe so, yeah, and she says.
speaker-1 (38:01.198)
sorry.
She says she learned some go Devin says no no you're you look great, but what game is it yeah you have clothes
Ew. Joaquin is chat GPT.
Exactly.
And Cheyenne is Monday.
speaker-0 (38:19.832)
So they're all pointing guns, all panicked, and Finn gives this speech about being a good neighbor, telling everyone to call.
Being a good neighbor. Another Mr. Rogers moment.
being a good neighbor, yeah.
Exactly. He gets everyone to agree to put away their guns, so they all put away their guns.
And then he starts going through sort of the positivity of each person. everyone loves your crafts, Trisha. Everyone loves your knitted soap dispenser things that you make us. And Cheyenne says, I still have it on the mantle. And Joaquin says, to my dismay, which was hilarious. So he's trying to make everybody sound like, hey, we all have something good to provide here. And then fucking like a champ.
speaker-2 (38:50.744)
to my dismay.
speaker-1 (39:03.31)
Gwen, Sarah Burns is like, fuck that fucking noise. I saw that shit and it wasn't human. know, like immediately jumps in and is like, fuck that. Oh, man, it was good.
After that, Pete starts kind of cracking up. So they're all talking and he's kind of out of the scene altogether. And then you hear him say, I'm aware.
He says, he says, I'm a werewolf.
He says, I'm a werewolf and they all turn around and.
And he says, maybe all of us are a werewolf. And he starts pointing his little nub at people.
speaker-0 (39:34.274)
Yeah, because maybe I ate my own hand
Yeah, and he's really gnawing. And then he's in pain. He's like, that was poor choice. Movement was a poor choice.
I think this is actually where Finn gives that speech about being neighbors and it doesn't work. So they all listen in there like, no, I'm out. And they all just start leaving.
They just all start piece it out. They're like no fuck this fuck this being a good neighbor Marcus and Gwen are like we're out of here. They leave
Sam follows right after them.
speaker-1 (40:02.476)
Yeah, and then Devin and Joaquin leave and then all of a sudden we're just left with the three, Janine and Cecily and Finn and they're just kind of all staring at each other, staring at each other. What do we do now, guys?
They start boarding up the house. The very next shot we see is Sam Parker outside in his SUV and he opens up this case. Grenades, pistols, a crossbow.
god, what?
speaker-1 (40:28.418)
And it has this green glow. Like he opens up his trunk and there's just green glow and it's a crossbow and guns and everything is in that, you know, it's like its own little case. my God.
And those arrows, there's no color to that arrows. They're just shiny metallic, almost like they might be silver. So, Finn and Cecily search through Parker's room in the inn and Cecily finds a newspaper clipping about two people being mauled at Grout Pond. And earlier, Finn had said that he got reprimanded at his job for illegally fishing with his two friends at Grout Pond. They dropped this really quick, by the way. And then, great shot.
As she's saying this, like, didn't you say that you were at Grout Pond? And then Finn finds a knife in Sam Parker's drawer wrapped in a handkerchief. And he turns around and points the knife at her. There's a nice little red herring moment where maybe he is the werewolf. He says, smell this, and hands her the knife. Withie points at her and she takes the knife and smells it and says, diesel. And they both go from the generator.
Yeah, and in this moment, they are kind of obviously doing a good job at pointing the finger at Finn. Was this Finn? You know? Yeah. And everything's kind of in slow motion and he's grabbing the knife out of the drawer and he's slowly unfolding it and he grabs it. You know what mean? They do a really good job of being like, ooh, wait, wait, hold on, hold on. And so in your brain, that gives you just enough time to start thinking through his past and his history and the beginning of the movie. They do such a good job of sort of
helping your brain move along and then he's like, smell this and you're like,
speaker-2 (42:02.892)
Yeah, it was a really good job by Sam Richardson too because it was the first time in his body he felt kind of menacing.
because he had a creepy look on his face.
Like he flipped into that place very seamlessly and then came right out of it and we moved on. But he was able to get there pretty quickly. And I'm like, is he our culprit?
I mean, they immediately go to something else, right? But you still have that in your mind. Could it be?
Exactly.
speaker-0 (42:30.414)
But they moved quickly to that knife, so it kind of shifted gears and like, okay, maybe it's not him or maybe it wasn't that important in the first place. But then they immediately find a map in Parker's room that has been tracking all of the attacks. So he's been tracking everywhere someone has been mauled by this animal, which is a nice little touch. The very next scene, it's Devin and Joaquin. They're walking home and they realize they're being stalked by something or someone and then they...
break from each other and Devon is running, he falls down and then standing over him is Trish. And the first thing she says is, I want my craft store. And so she stabs him in the neck with a maple tap and kills him.
Yeah
At which point I was like, maybe there isn't a werewolf and she's just a terrible person. And I was going to be fine with it actually. Like that was the one moment where I would have been like, okay, if there's no werewolf, if she is the problem, I'll take it.
That's why this was such a good hoot done it because everything was on the table. Every possibility was believable. It could have been anybody.
speaker-2 (43:34.252)
Also, how sad that the dude who's still got her crafts on the mantle is the person she stabs in honor of getting her crafts for. Even though he liked her crafts, he didn't want to sign on to the project that would have cleared the space. But I'm like, talk about a conflict of desire. Like he actually cared enough to still be positioning her crafts on the mantle, but then he had to die.
So that's what I didn't understand.
speaker-0 (44:00.43)
Trisha, she's a big picture kind of gal. She wants more crafts than just on Devon's mantle. So he's got to go if he's going to stand in the way of her craft store. Back at the inn, Sam Parker breaks into the inn and he's lurking through the house with these infrared goggles on and his crossbow. He runs into Finn and Cecily and he tells them he's been stalking the werewolf. And then Joaquin shows up back at the inn as well saying that he's got separated from Devon. doesn't know where he is. Great jump scares. Josh Rubin, scare me.
Some great jump scares in here too.
speaker-0 (44:30.382)
Very theatrical, three characters in one location, but really well done. He's got a horror film as well, something of a wounded fawn, which I it's good. It's good. Just does a great job direction-wise of these little pocket scenes. And this is one of those scenes as well where Joaquin shows back up and they're all in the house. And then Marcus shows back up with his homemade glove of knives.
Edward Scissorhands, Freddie Cougar, but also kind of home alone weird sticky bandit kind of situation.
Ha!
speaker-0 (45:03.086)
These are knives that I put on there, but my hand is underneath like I have to explain what it is
He's slashing.
You're doing this.
So funny. so then you're like, well, wait, is it him? Exactly. And doing some of this stuff like you start to really think maybe it's a combination of all of these people.
But then you see a bag on the floor and it's filled with pill bottles and belongings and he says he was just gonna rob them all and make it look like it was, which I don't know how he was gonna make it look like it was a werewolf with a glove hand.
speaker-1 (45:37.644)
He's capitalizing on there being a werewolf and he's like, well, I'm just going to like, you know, steal a bunch of shit from people and be like, well, the werewolf did it. It's ridiculous.
It was ridiculous and abrupt and a little confusing for that reason. did he do this? What is he about to do? Why does he have the glove handy? Was he going to kill them or was he just going to put scratches on the wall to make it look like a werewolf, rob them of pills? So he runs outside with his stolen goods. And as he steps out into the street, he gets run over by Gwen, his girlfriend. She runs over him thinking that he's still in the house. She yells to the house. And the second she yells for over the house, her head explodes as Trish shoots her in the head and kills her. Just boom.
Boom!
Dead. What did she say?
to a home wrecker.
speaker-0 (46:20.514)
Cause there was a line earlier where Cecily says that she had cheated with her husband.
Yeah. Somebody was arguing about the timeframe that this cheating happened. And she says, that was four months ago. And also it never happened. This was really good misdirection because I thought he was going to fall on those not like I thought he was going to come down the stairs of the house.
slip in the snow. you could just tell it was heading for a goofy demise for him. I thought he was going to fall. And then I thought about it. was like, oh, that might've been too big of a level of death for this film. Cause we didn't really see like that kind of death in this. That's the first big one. Like before that we hadn't seen a lot of blood. I was like, oh, that might've been too much for this.
You get shot in the head.
speaker-1 (47:10.718)
The first time you really see it is when Pete lifts his hand after he's been attacked and half of it's gone. That's like the first time you see like a lot of blood in the movie. And also do you notice that it's mostly men that die besides the dog? yeah. This first time with Gwen being shot, it's like, damn, well one of the women went down. Yeah.
The very next scene Trish, she's in the house and holds them all at gunpoint and quickly Joaquin hits her with a fireplace poker and she falls forward. It's like she's not dead and she's not gonna kill her.
And then just a stream of blood goes down her forehead.
Then she falls head first into the fireplace and immediately catches on fire.
And Finn, Sam Richardson goes, let's get out of here. Ooh, it's a great death. And again, Joaquin says, yeah, you killed my husband.
speaker-2 (48:05.548)
You
So much for the women not dying at this point. had back to back women deaths.
but none of them done by the werewolf.
No, it's true. It's true. well, that kind of goes hand in hand with a speech that comes later, doesn't it? Yeah, you're right. So they get outside, Joachim, Cecily, and Finn, they get outside on the street and Joachim pulls a gun on Cecily and says that she's the seventh born and she's the werewolf. His range of emotion here, it's like, I'm sorry, gotta do this, I love you so much. Just so he's got a gun in his head.
You know, speaking of, she mentions earlier in the movie when Finn and Cecily are walking through the town meeting everybody, she says she's the youngest of seven. And then she said she's an Irish twin. I've never heard this phrase before. An Irish twin that two kids are born in the same year. I'd never heard the phrase before. says, my sister and I were even then.
speaker-1 (48:57.27)
You've never heard of Irish twins?
Never! What?! Never!
Seriously? That's hilarious!
My sister and I are this close to being Irish twins.
That's so funny. Yeah, it's a whole, yeah, that's a whole thing. Heard it before. Wow. Yeah. Okay.
speaker-0 (49:11.934)
Never. The more you know.
So after this, Joachim takes an arrow in the stomach from Sam Parker as he's got a gun on Cecily. Finn and Cecily try to run. She gets in the truck while Finn hides behind the truck. Sam Parker yanks her out of the truck, convinced that she's the werewolf. Finn tackles Parker to the ground, starts beating him, but then Parker stabs Finn in the stomach. He is loaded for wolf, as they don't say. Cecily maces Parker in the face.
Yes, I do.
And then Joaquin, still alive, raises up and shoots the gas line from Parker's eternal flame that he'd built in the town and explodes, killing both Sam Parker and Joaquin in a ball of flame. And they are thin and ceaselessly just laying on the street.
This could expose me as a very not smart person. But at this point, I was thinking that Sam had actually been going from town to town, creating a fake werewolf scenario so that he could clear out the town and then get this pipeline thing. Like at that moment I was like, there isn't a werewolf. It's just this guy.
speaker-1 (50:18.736)
huh.
speaker-1 (50:24.172)
No, I think that's a good thought.
Following the thing on the map and he's like going from town to town like okay, where do I need to where's the next place? need to convince them if I can't convince them here till this werewolf. Yeah, I'll create fear and they'll clear out and Then we'll get it done. I was holding on to that until
until he died and you're like well so much for that
Yeah, cuz that's gone or he miscalculated. didn't know somebody would one day get him but yeah.
I think at this point I got a little confused. Sort of like who done it overload, I guess is what it was. So at this point I'm sort of like, okay, now I'm not sure. I'm not sure what's happening now. It's like, do we have a werewolf?
speaker-1 (51:00.058)
Yeah, you know, it's funny. So it was at this point in the film and I hit pause and I was like, there's 15 minutes left in this movie. Something else is going to happen. Yeah. So I knew it was going to be something I just have really still was like, I don't know where we're going here.
Okay, so back at the bar, Cecily takes Finn, who's been stabbed pretty badly in the gut, and she says, well, let me go get some supplies. She's gonna try to patch him up. And she says, please don't die, because I really like you, and it would be very traumatic for me if you died. How very Jim Cummings of her, exactly. So she goes into the back of the bar to get supplies, and Finn starts hearing someone's phone ringing from an office, and he goes back into the office.
How very Jim Cummings of her.
speaker-0 (51:42.982)
And in the office, he sees a collection of newspaper clippings of the killings. And then he sees the badge of a postal carrier. And the postal carrier is Janine's missing husband. He realizes who the werewolf is. And he comes back out of the closet, no pun intended, and back out into the bar. And she's standing there watching. he says, so it's you, isn't it? And she says, yeah.
He's like, you're a really good actor.
Hahaha!
I like it because earlier in the film she mentions that she was in a punk band in high school and he's like, oh, that's so cool. That's so cool. He goes, you weren't even in a punk band, you? And she goes, no, I was. She said, I, he goes, you ate them,
You ate them. Yeah.
speaker-2 (52:26.334)
Ate them.
So was all an act. There's a great speech here about him being too nice. And he defends himself. He said, there's nothing wrong with being nice. He's not gonna apologize for being a nice person. Which, and this is one of those moments where with Sam Richardson, I choose to believe Sam Richardson is a sweetheart of a human. There are some actors that are just like, I can't handle, can't. Like Tom Hanks. Like Tom Hanks, I can't live in a world where this person might be a dick. I can't accept it. Do it if they are, please don't ever tell me.
Tom Hanks is a nice person.
Sam Richardson is a golden hearted human. Don't break that for me. Right. Yes. Yeah. thought that was just a great scene. And when she starts talking about Pete and how Pete would lean in for the hug and have, you know, have his hands on her back and goes into what you were saying, Lindsay, about the wolf always just kills men.
Yeah, she's got a vendetta
speaker-0 (53:19.086)
There's a werewolf with anger issues as well. That's right. She turns into a werewolf. turns and attacks Finn. First she confesses that she's planted all of those red herrings all along the
Then you see her put the dog collar on Emerson's mantle and you go through it at that point and you see, she did have time to do all of that. And in fact, even if you go back and watch when Pete is killed, she kind of pops into the hallway very shortly after that to see what's going on with the commotion, right? She looks very sweaty and she's in a robe. And then they go down to the living room and she's back in her postal uniform.
okay. And then this is why it's a great script again, because she does say, as we talked about early, that she says that she feels most herself outdoors. And then early when they're on their walk to meet all the townspeople, she says, I got a big bag full of secrets.
They drop all these little nuggets that somehow you miss.
Always a great sign of good script when you pick up those lines on the second viewing. Like, they were right there. It was right there. And they were so cleverly just weaved in that we didn't even notice it.
speaker-1 (54:27.682)
Yeah, also just talking about his niceness. Finn was so nice throughout the whole film, but he had those sweet little sayings the entire movie. Did you catch them? Where he was like, well, what a coinkydink. And then when he was looking at the generators being slashed up, he was like, to Betsy.
yeah.
speaker-0 (54:53.518)
Yeah, but
His very old man sayings and they were just the sweetest little, and even during his speech when he was like, I am a nice guy, so what if I'm a nice guy? And he was like, I can fucking be, excuse my language, I can effin' be a nice guy. Just all of those little moments I thought were really endearing for that character and just a really fun, I think, part of the script because who says that kind of stuff anymore besides my sister? My sister says, coinkydink all the time. And she says, what else does she say? Oopsie daisy.
She says oopsie daisies.
Yeah, he's sweet. And I think the reason why I never considered her as the werewolf is what they're relying on men to believe, just like Finn's character. think they're too good to be true, but no. I mean, he's found that person for him, and she's so sweet.
They've been through the trauma together, they've made it through together.
speaker-0 (55:45.282)
She's gonna make him a stronger, better person. So you wanna believe it. You wanna believe that it's all gonna be fine. Therefore, she is the device in the script to complete him, to make him better. But no!
Nope. No. He gives his speech. She attacks him.
She attacks him just as she's about to sink her teeth into him, Emerson Flint shows up and hits her with a shovel and knocks her to the ground. like any horror movie, that's it, it's over. I've hit her in the head, werewolf dead. And then he says, he just wants to be a good neighbor like Mr. Rogers.
Yep. We have another Mr. Rogers moment.
another Mr. Rogers moment, and then she jumps up again, attacks Emerson, takes him to the ground.
speaker-1 (56:26.478)
throws him across the room superhuman strength. Woof, Like, wow.
Yeah. I was like,
They did not go very far with the wolf makeup on this either. They kept it very basic with this.
Look the little teen wolf-ish.
Yeah, definitely Team Wolf.
speaker-1 (56:45.56)
She throws Emerson across the room, he's out for the count.
She raises up again, attacks Finn again, goes to the ground, he grabs a snowshoe as he falls back, and then from one angle it looks like he's just holding it up against her, and then from the other angle you realize he stabbed her in the neck with it. So he stabbed her in the neck with this broken snowshoe.
That's what I'm saying. This is a good sequence in here.
There's a lot of- she's down, she's She's back!
down.
speaker-1 (57:09.755)
Good. like it though, because you're like, no, she's not dead. Yeah. So then Emerson comes back and they have this great conversation. The two of them, they're like, do you think she's dead?
And so Finn and Emerson share this moment. Yeah.
They're wondering if Mrs. Sherman is still alive and they say maybe she can make us a sandwich.
And you see Cecily as a werewolf sort of stumbling in the background. Leaps forward to get them and all of a sudden she's blown back by something. Although you can't really see what it is until, so it's a medium shot, right? And you have Emerson on the left side of the screen and you have Finn on the right side of the screen. And you see all of this going on in the center with Cecily. She leaps forward at them and then all of a sudden is blown back.
dream.
speaker-0 (57:42.006)
No, you can't.
speaker-1 (57:57.76)
And all of a sudden you just see Emerson and Finn slowly turn their heads to whatever it was that just did that.
It's a great shot. They're both looking back at the werewolf on the ground and then they turn back into the opposite direction to see the front door where it's Janine the innkeeper. And she says,
Make your own damn sandwich.
And it was that silver crossbow. that's, that's what got her. Sam Parker. I'm glad it ended with the sandwiches line.
Was that Parker's? Was that the? Okay, okay, that's what I was thinking. Yeah.
speaker-2 (58:28.398)
I am too. Yeah, it was perfect, I thought.
That's it. That's your movie. That's a damn fine film right there.
I hate it when filmmakers drag the last five to 10 minutes of a movie like a wounded animal just bleeding through the woods, dragging entrails all along the way.
Well, and it's also just so fitting, right? I mean, it's like you're saying, Bart, know, the Wolf of Snow Hollow was trying to make this comment on masculinity. And this film did a much better job of showing basically the strength of femininity as opposed to, you know, and that's the way you show it. Right. She was somebody who just is supposed to be taking care of everybody the entire movie and her husband died and
you know, she's got the place where everybody is staying. She's can make us a sandwich and make us some tea and do all this stuff. And she's like, fuck it, make your own damn sandwich.
speaker-2 (59:15.308)
Love it.
That's it's a benefit of having a woman screenwriter versus like with Wilfred Snowhalder where a dude wrote it and like, this is what I think is wrong with guys. Like, motherfucker, you are one of the guys.
You don't get to say. Yeah, you don't get to say. That's it. That's werewolves within.
Where was it then? Loved it.
I love you
speaker-1 (59:37.278)
it. I thought it was great from start to finish. I absolutely loved it. It didn't do well this movie, did it?
remember like was it promoted well?
COVID happened. That's the problem.
That's it. Okay, cuz I don't remember seeing anything about it ever until you guys sent it to me really? Yeah, I had heard nothing of it. I'm like, I love this trailer.
do it. It filmed right around that time, but it didn't premiere until 2021. So it had been in the can, I think for a little while. And it filmed in early 2020 and wrapped literally just before the pandemic shut everything down.
speaker-2 (01:00:08.856)
Yeah, and people still were not going into movie theaters, like in June of 2021.
It just was shitty timing for the film, which is a shame because man, it's good. People should absolutely go watch it. And it would have been a great one on the big screen.
Yeah, it was a pretty film. Yeah, Josh Rubin, I expect other good things from him and great things from Mishna Wolf as well, because such a tight, tight script with so many layers to it.
Here's my question. She murdered Janine's husband because she said she needed an outfit. And that's why her outfit is so oversized on her. It was Janine's husband. Janine's husband was the mail carrier. And so I'm like, why was nobody suspecting her? They don't know her. So the entire film, they're talking to Cecily like she grew up there. She's like, I've known this town forever.
She's been there 29 days.
speaker-1 (01:01:02.35)
29 days she's been there. To me that's the only hole in the script and I'm sure that they see it glaringly and everybody else is just like, it's like at the end of Don't Tell Mom the Babysitter's Dead when the mom's like, where's the babysitter? And everyone's like, ooh, they got me. I had forgotten about the babysitter. That's kind of what this was. Like they're just kind of hoping that people forgot about it. But when they said it was her, I just kept going, she's been there for five minutes.
Yeah, she's acting like she knows everybody and she knows everything about everybody. She knows everybody's relationship. She knows this person's cheated on that person. She knows all of the things, but she's been there for 29 days. Why did nobody suspect her?
She's been there for 29 days and the moment that they find his dead body and he's stuffed under a house, everyone should have said, wait, our mailman has been murdered? How are you our mail person now?
I there's a close enough story there to where you could say, listen, I got a call. I was in the town over and I just agreed to come, right? But still, nobody asked the question the entire movie. You've been here five minutes. We don't know you at all. How do we know it's not you?
Was she starting those rumors? Because the thing I was thinking is like, the fact that he has been dead this whole time as opposed to running off with his mistress, that's a big swing. Like somebody's gotta start that kind of rumor. So I'm like, she had to have started it about the husband.
speaker-0 (01:02:09.966)
Yes, I think so.
speaker-0 (01:02:24.984)
She has his phone. she probably texted Janine from her dead husband's phone saying, Hey, I've run away to Belize with someone.
But still, to you guys' point, like, absolutely, she should have been considered.
But I mean, because she's so little, because she's so cute, because she's so, you know, tiny, she's not an obvious suspect. But I'm just saying, at some point, somebody would say, well, our postman died, all of a sudden you showed up, and now we're just supposed to believe that.
At the beginning, was she the one texting him to meet at that point to kill him? I think she had to be, right?
Yeah. Yeah. And maybe they did have a little fling. Okay. No. Just started with him and got him there.
speaker-0 (01:02:57.302)
No, she said she flirted with him and she
Intention is just as bad Bart. So he clearly was intended to have
he was he was ready. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, poor Janine.
Which actually seems to be her trap, right? Because that's also how she got Pete, right? Because to Lindsay's point, we see her in the robe just after he loses his hand. And so that gives you the idea that maybe he had gone into her room or he was going into her room. That's how she was able to attack him. then, so there's something there about, and also she makes that statement in her monologue where she's like, men are believing these stories about this unbelievable hot girl.
speaker-2 (01:03:41.184)
all of sudden likes them is like, that's the fantasy.
Yeah, that's the fantasy that doesn't exist.
Yeah, and so she was going to do the same thing to Finn.
Her M.O. in other towns were usually just a couple of people and then she'd move under another town. So she really killed a dog. Yeah, I don't know. So the doctor, Devin, Joaquin, Marcus, and Trish, and the mechanic, six people were not killed by a wolf.
Now why the dog?
speaker-2 (01:04:08.888)
By the way,
Yeah, they really were all bad people. Josh Rubin described it as Mr. Rogers meets Fargo meets the thing. What do you make of all of the Mr. Rogers connections? And the quote, the quote at the beginning of the movie is listening is where the love begins, followed by listening to ourselves and then our neighbors.
How did you know that was a Mr. Rogers quote? it does? On the screen? Yeah. How the fuck did I-
Because it says it.
I missed it too. I actually paused to read the quote and didn't take any moment to read who it was attributed to. I just let it go after I read it.
speaker-1 (01:04:51.36)
Why do we think they hearkened so much on this sort of Mr. Rogers love your neighbor?
Well, I think there was a lot of talk about being a good person. Yeah. Finn was a good person who's trying to be a stronger. In fact, she even says a few times about, you know, manning up and standing up for yourself. And Mr. Rogers never said dick about manning up and being a tough guy. And so he made it through the end and didn't die and defeated the werewolf and stayed a sweetheart of a guy without having to do any of that and becoming a different person. My take is that...
There's still room in this world for good people.
Yeah, and because it is at heart a film about basically a community turning on each other. Yeah. The majority of the people, you said Bart, killed in this film are killed by their neighbor. They're not killed by the werewolf. Okay, let's go through some of our typical questions and then Rosalind will let you go about your life. I don't want to. I it's so much fun. We are having a blast. I hope everybody else is too because we sure are having fun.
So the comedy horror meter on a scale from horror to comedy, where did this movie land for you Rosalyn?
speaker-2 (01:06:05.4)
more comedy. I was gonna go really high. Yeah, I was almost gonna go really high before I talked to you guys, but I was thinking maybe 80, 20, but maybe 70, 30. It was really high to me because I laughed so much and it's so absurd. But yeah, I'll go with the 70, 30.
again.
Okay, where do you land bar?
I'm going to go 80 20. Just a damn funny script. More of a thriller who done it than a horror movie.
Yeah, agreed. Yeah. Some great jumpscares, too.
speaker-0 (01:06:38.584)
Great jump scares, not a lot of horror attack scenes or kill scenes. Like Ross said, you don't really see the violence happen until Trisha gets shot in the head. So yeah, I'd say 80, 20, maybe 85, 15?
It definitely is much more comedy than horror. And they don't pretend to be anything else. I mean, the trailer is 90 % comedy. Yes. That just happens to take place in a small snowy town with maybe a werewolf. But yeah, agreed. It definitely leans a lot more comedy than horror. Yeah. Okay. So elevator pitch. I don't know if you guys have put any thought into this, but what would your elevator pitch for this film be?
If you were either trying to get the film made or just talking to a friend and saying, God, you gotta watch this movie. I really want you to watch it. How would you pitch it to them?
Who wants to go first?
Hahaha!
speaker-1 (01:07:30.414)
Bart, you want to go first?
Yeah, I'll go first. Again, I keep it pretty simple. A werewolf whodunit whose popularity was unfortunately killed by COVID and should not be lost to obscurity.
Yes. Yeah. Amen to that. It really is a shame that it got caught up in the world of COVID. Man, because this would have been a really fun movie to watch during COVID. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. What do you think you want me to go next,
I can get mine out of the way. think mine would be the best werewolf comedy you haven't seen with two of your favorites, one from Severance, one from what we do in the show. Cause that honestly like in the trailer was like, my God, I'm on it. A lot of the character actors having seen those familiar faces. like, I can count on this.
Yeah.
speaker-0 (01:08:22.613)
Every face in this is recognizable. Yeah. I don't think there's one person that had never seen anything before, not a single one. Yep. What about you, Lince?
I would say I also kind of try to keep it fairly simple because it's so good. All you have to say is it's just fucking great. You got to watch it. But I would just say it's clue meets the thing in the middle of a blizzard and a too nice Mr. Rogers-esque ranger trying to keep the peace with maybe a werewolf picking off the locals one by one.
I didn't even think about the thing. The thing is in, you you're trying to find out who's carrying the virus in a snowy landscape.
Yeah.
Yeah, okay. So Bart, do you want to ask the recommendation one or do want me to? Oh, yes.
speaker-0 (01:09:01.678)
Sure. Would you recommend this film and who would you recommend this film to?
Yes, I would recommend it. And I would recommend it to folks that like a good who done it more than they need the horror. So whatever group of people that is, because the horror actually never quite really shows up and there's no gore and it's not quite cozy mystery, but it's definitely a good mystery. And it's funny. It's funny as all get out. So if you just want to laugh at some good zingers, one-liners, I think.
you could be dialed into this and be totally satisfied.
Yeah, it's so-
Yeah, I think it's pretty broad. It's not very secular like some of the other films we watched where it's like, whoa, you really okay You have to be in this very narrow window to be interested in this is very broad in a sense of who I think who would like this film Lindsay, whatever. about you?
speaker-1 (01:09:51.384)
Yeah, absolutely. I would say most people I know love movies like Clue and Knives Out, know, movies like that. Most people love those movies. It's not a bloodbath. It's just a sharp, smart movie, and it's a total blast to watch. I think people who don't like horror films will say, well, I mean, it's a horror comedy, and I don't really like horror films. I don't think you should be scared off by the horror label. This movie, to me, is almost for anyone.
I think a wide range of moviegoers would totally get a kick out of this film.
Yeah, I would too. would 100 % recommend that. Don't understand why it just has a six on IMDB. It seems like it's a little low for this movie.
Maybe Michael Bay is the one giving out the stars.
So, it's just a tight script, well acted, so many great character actors in it. anybody who likes comedy I'd recommend too. And anybody who just likes a fun movie. That was it, Werewolves Within.
speaker-2 (01:10:34.861)
Ha ha ha ha!
speaker-1 (01:10:46.402)
Yeah. So there you have it.
yay! That was very fast.
I know.
It goes by fast when you're with good people and talking about fun things. Always goes by fast. But yeah, Rosalind, thank you so much for doing this.
Thank you so much. Thank I, dude, I had such a ball. This was awesome. Yeah.
speaker-1 (01:11:03.694)
I hope you had fun. Did you have fun with us today?
speaker-1 (01:11:09.442)
So good. Well, I hope everybody looks you up and follows your career and watches you because you're absolutely incredible. We love you so much and I'm so happy to see you. I don't ever get to see you anymore. You're all the way in fancy Los Angeles. I need to come see you is what I need to do. I really do need to visit LA.
that's kind of you. Thank you.
speaker-2 (01:11:27.514)
Come see me. And we'll seek out John Cryer. Yeah. We'll see if we can find him again. I'd be like, love you, Ducky.
I love you so much!
love you. Bart, thanks for asking me, inviting me on. I appreciate it.
Rosalind, I'm so glad you could do it and let's not make it a few years between the next time we see each other again. Always great to see you.
Please don't. Thank you so much. Great to see you guys as well. Love you. Talk soon. Talk soon.
speaker-1 (01:11:50.232)
Thank you
Take care. Always a pleasure talking to her.
my God, I just had the time of my life and Patrick Swayze wasn't even here. That went by so fast. Well, the film was so good and the guest was so good. What a treat that was, a treat. And now that she's gone, I can say it. She's wrong. I'm right. She's better. Yeah, I said it. She's a better actress. said it.
Yep, I thought so too.
speaker-0 (01:12:20.942)
I am not getting in this battle. Leave you guys to slug this
It would be so much fun if somebody like Bart wrote a script for maybe both of us.
Bart has a lot of shortcomings. Let's not add that to the list. Wonderful time. Lindsay, I want to wish you a Merry Christmas. Bart. And I really do want you to have a wonderful 2026.
great. Merry Christmas.
speaker-1 (01:12:42.19)
I want you to have an amazing 2026. I hope it's the best year ever.
I hope it is a year filled with successes, clarity, joy, and longevity. Happiness, health, but longevity in that living each day and appreciating every day and stretching those years out. That is my goal this year to stretch those days out. I love that. Don't let it all just fly by.
Longevity, happiness,
How?
speaker-1 (01:13:08.622)
I love it. That's right. I really enjoy it. Yeah. Take it all in.
Also wish happy holidays to our listeners and by our listeners I mean Merry Christmas Joey Carr
You mean listener? Merry Christmas, Droey.
Happy New Year to everyone.
Happy New Year. Bye, Bye, Bart.
speaker-0 (01:13:31.532)
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