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Each week Adam & Ste focus on a specific feature, idea or prototype in Hardcover and iterate on it together or with guests.
Adam (00:01.03)
Hey, hey, stay. How's it going?
Ste (00:03.378)
Haya is going well enjoying an evening in London. Got the stuff decorated as you can see. I got my penguin with lice. What are those called? The ones you put all over on Christmas.
Adam (00:17.706)
Yeah. Like tinsel or something like that.
Ste (00:19.458)
Oh yeah, that's it. Yeah, yeah. I also got a Christmas tree and I put lights up on it. And yeah, my six month old loves it. So pretty happy about that. Yeah. A small one, like 40 centimeters is like up to here. Or I'm not very tall, but yeah. It's pretty okay. Yeah.
Adam (00:33.371)
Nice. How big a tree did you get?
Adam (00:41.385)
Okay.
Hehehe
Ste (00:48.782)
I was, it's yeah, it's bigger than 40 centimeters. It's like, it's actually like 90, I think. Yeah.
Adam (00:55.502)
Hmm. Okay. Yeah. Ours is, uh, like less than ours is like one meter. It's not even, not even that. I mean, it's like, it's like a table chop tree. It sits on a, it sits on top of our little coffee table and it's not very high on top of that.
Ste (01:05.31)
Okay, so yeah, pretty close, yeah.
Ste (01:15.842)
nice. Well, I think mine is the same. I misjudged like the initial height, but yeah, it's kind of like the same. Did you decorate it already?
Adam (01:27.166)
Yep, has lights and some of our favorite ornaments.
Ste (01:31.41)
Nice, that's great. Yeah, usually I didn't like go this early into December for decorating. In my family growing up it was like around the 20th, so very close to Christmas. But yeah, I noticed that in the UK at least Christmas starts from I think the 1st of November really. So yeah, I think it's considered pretty late.
Adam (01:51.054)
Thanks for watching!
Hmm.
Adam (01:58.614)
Yeah, yeah, 20th of December would be pretty late. That's not much time to enjoy all of those decorations before you have to take them down.
Ste (02:05.918)
Yeah, exactly. I never understood why, but that's what happened. So yeah, now preparing everything early makes a bit more sense. Is it the same in the US? How has it been for you?
Adam (02:18.898)
Yeah, I think for us, it's always been right after Thanksgiving. Then we can start thinking about decorating and the new holidays. Before that, it's almost like it almost it always feels like, you know, you're preparing for the next holiday. So you're preparing for Halloween. Then after Halloween, you're preparing for Thanksgiving. And after Thanksgiving, you're paying for Christmas. And after Christmas, you were paying for New Year's.
Ste (02:42.45)
Yeah, exactly. There's a lot of holidays at the end of the year. So I guess, yeah, one leads to the other.
Adam (02:50.736)
Yep, two months of holidays basically.
Adam (03:00.837)
What, let's see, what all have you been up to hardcover wise lately?
Ste (03:05.742)
Wow.
been working hard on wrapping up the page for the year in books and whoever is the librarian on the hardcover could see that as a preview so we've been gathering all the sections, gathering all the books and yeah I've been studying everything and
We've pushed it so that people can check it before we make it live. And yeah, we're revising it, getting it ready for Christmas when we'll actually release it. Very excited about that. I think it's shaped up to be a very nice and engaging...
experience.
Adam (03:56.714)
Yeah, I'm pretty excited about it too. It's been a fun one to build. It's just so much more colorful and creative. And it helps that it's on its own little island where we don't have to integrate it with the rest of the site. It can just be its own separate experience for people to be introduced to hardcover.
Ste (04:19.562)
Yeah, yeah, I love that about it. And I think like some of the stuff we did on it will apply for other things as well. I was just thinking like how cool would it be to have like the same formats for a selection of your own like personal stats? I was looking at stuff happening with Spotify, rap and everybody sharing their...
sharing their music and got lots of ideas based on that. I think like we could do some of those things pretty easily.
I also saw the Duolingo wrapped. So basically like it's like what you learned in the last year and I like that it's like even more simple than the Spotify wrapped. It's just like a selection of slides very similar to what we're doing for
Ste (05:22.694)
building that kind of...
Adam (05:24.926)
Yeah. That'd be neat. Yeah.
Ste (05:27.118)
Yeah, that kind of experience. But even so, seeing the authors highlighted, we also got something prepared. Well, it's not much. We're a small network. But we're letting the authors know that their book was featured on the Hardcover Union Books page, which is pretty important for us because, yeah, basically it's like what people have been doing on Hardcover.
uh got some nice stickers prepared can wait to like share those once they reach you
Adam (06:03.132)
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm, I'm pretty excited about that. Like I, I'm like cautiously excited about it because like reaching out to authors and trying to get them to, you know, agree to let us send them something for free. Even, even though in this case, you know, we're not, we're not asking them for anything, we're not trying to like sell them anything, we're just trying to like congratulate them, it still feels like, you know, they probably get bombarded by tons of people that are asking them for things.
And we're not, we're just letting them know like, hey, like, yeah, you're popular on hardcover. And trying to communicate that without sounding like spammy or like self-promotional is, is a, always a concern, but I think, I think the sticker and the tone of the messaging we're doing to them will, will help.
Ste (06:55.83)
Yeah, it's a long shot. I mean, Brandon Sanderson probably is like a bit wary of the letters he's opening for like many reasons. And I guess every author on that page is very wary of opening fan mail or like mail from companies. Yeah, maybe we should like do something like maybe on the
Adam (07:19.011)
Yeah.
Ste (07:23.294)
handwrite the address or something to make it like likelier for them to actually open it not yet
Adam (07:25.923)
Hmm.
Adam (07:30.09)
Yeah. I think, I think I would do that mostly because I don't want to like try to get the print mail merge label system. So I'm just planning on having letters with envelopes and stamps and addresses written on them.
Ste (07:44.386)
Yeah, that's perfect. I share that concern about printers. I tried printing envelopes and it's not... I also have like the cheapest laser printer available so when I print envelopes I have to jam them just at the right time so the printer actually like hits them up and spits them out. So yeah, it's a process. I've tried that. Wouldn't want to go there again. But yeah, that'd be nice. Maybe get like one of those...
like slightly yellowish paper envelope, so it looks like even more like of a thing. Sorry, I'm a designer, like paper texture is one of my, I guess.
Adam (08:23.384)
Hehehe
Mm.
Adam (08:31.082)
Yeah. If you, if you send me a link for one of the envelopes, I can probably pick them up next time I'm out at the store.
Ste (08:37.77)
Oh yeah, definitely. Yeah, I'll send you like exactly what I'm talking about. Just like, slightly textured, like, yeah.
Adam (08:41.634)
Yeah.
Ste (08:46.606)
I was even thinking of making a seal, but maybe for next year with the hardcover logo on it. So you actually like, I love that kind of stuff. I always wanted to make one, but I haven't like found the context to like actually make a seal. Maybe a hardcover logo seal would actually, you know, those ones when you actually drip the...
Adam (08:46.611)
Yeah.
Adam (08:50.754)
Hehehe
Adam (09:05.006)
Thanks for watching!
Oh yeah.
Ste (09:12.114)
candle thing. Yeah.
Adam (09:14.138)
Yeah, it's like a wax seal. Yeah. Well, we, I do have a bunch of leftover stickers. I could always just use one of those, but I think, I think they use the old hardcover logo, unfortunately. So I probably need to just like toss those and replace them with the new one. Cause
Ste (09:23.096)
Oh yeah!
Ste (09:27.434)
Oh crap yeah. Uhhhhhh.
Ste (09:32.762)
Yeah, don't need them to sticker lovers. At the hardcover convention, whenever that will happen. Who knows?
Adam (09:35.662)
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Adam (09:42.078)
Yeah. Yeah, that'll, that'll be cool. Um, yeah. Uh, well, while kind of while we've been like finalizing, um, 2023 year in books and been doing some like preliminary work on lists to kind of, um, bring that to the next step, which I think we're going to jump into the design of in a bit. Um, I.
Ste (09:47.546)
Yeah, how about you? What have you been cooking?
Adam (10:12.094)
wanted to get us off of our Algolea, our search for hardcover. Um, cause right now. Like that one feature search costs us. I think our bill last month was $360, which is like basically a third of our total cost. Um, and it's our largest bill. Um, so I've been, uh, like I was, I was, uh, I had a call with the Ben from shepherd a couple of months, like a month or two ago and
he mentioned that they use Type Sense for search, which is very similar to Algolia. And so I decided to start like trying it out. And it is not just similar to Algolia, but they designed it to have the same interface as Algolia. So it's basically the same, except you can run it open source on your own server, or you can use their cloud hosting. And so...
On Friday, I tried just like doing a quick demo locally, try to get it working. And within an hour, I had Algolia replaced with TypeSynth locally. Like it was that fast to get it set up because everything was using the same interfaces we currently use. And so after that, I spent like the rest of the week, like the rest of the weekend and the last couple of days, just like...
Ste (11:31.356)
Yeah.
Adam (11:40.278)
Like not just, not just getting a replacement, but making it so that we have some additional features to kind of, to prepare for, um, discussions in the future, um, because with discussions, we're going to need things like, uh, like when you're typing in a discussion box and you do like at, and you search for a book title, that book title is going to come from Algolia, not from our Postgres database. And so we need to have like books, authors, um, anything that we want to be auto-completable.
Ste (11:49.394)
Yeah.
Adam (12:09.178)
in discussions needs to be in this search index. So this is kind of a preliminary work for that future discussion step.
Ste (12:13.074)
Yeah.
Ste (12:19.03)
Yeah, that sounds great. And the reason I'm very happy that we switched is that now you can search for other users. So you can search for readers if you want, which is a thing that's a.
Adam (12:19.649)
and
Thank you.
Ste (12:39.138)
I needed before and I had people who signed up on hardcover and they were asking for my username and after that they didn't know like they were hoping they would be able to search for me through our search or to search for other users and I think that's gonna be like a really cool network feature to search for other
other people instead of asking them what's your app and then modifying the URL, which in the app is impossible. I think they were using the app. That was the problem where you can't actually write URLs, so there's no way to discover other people on hardcover. So yeah, very...
Adam (13:15.828)
Hmm.
Ste (13:27.11)
Very nice that that's happening. And for discussions later on. And for our bill, I mean, definitely. Mike.
Adam (13:37.21)
Yeah. And also just like the hosting cost of the new one, I've been testing it locally and it's looking like it'll probably cost around 50 bucks a month. And that's, yeah, and that's with the hosted version where they're hosting it for us in the Type Sense
Ste (13:55.922)
That's quite an improvement. Yeah.
Ste (14:03.513)
Okay.
Adam (14:04.018)
So we don't even have to worry about, you know, running the servers or anything for it. So that's an additional bonus.
Ste (14:10.666)
Yeah, that's great. Yeah. I'm amazed of all these open source alternatives. I mean, if it was for me, uh, I mean, I'd use like open source everything. And there's so many like really good alternatives. I think many years ago, especially for someone who was in design, open source meant they were like.
half as functional if you are lucky and they looked bad. Now there are open source alternatives which actually look better than like the traditional paid ones. Yeah.
I'm hoping, you know, for that reason, and there's like the open source community is huge and growing. You've got open source for everything, for signing documents, for like really hard stuff. I'm still looking for an open source accounting platform. I've seen a few, but you know, it's the same problem. So there are some areas. And of course, there's no open source book platform, which I'm hoping will be at some point.
Adam (15:03.74)
Hmm.
Yeah.
Ste (15:16.969)
Uh, so...
Adam (15:18.706)
There's one that I've looked into that I really like for open source book platforms, but they call it a bookworm, which is like a federated one, like on the Fediverse, which has its pros and cons, because it means that it's very hard to iterate and make changes because you have to get consensus between all of the different instances that are also running this instance.
Ste (15:28.367)
Oh yeah, oh yeah, bookworm, yeah. Mm-hmm.
Adam (15:47.902)
So it's one of those things where I so admire what they're doing, but it also makes it very hard for them to iterate at the speed that we're iterating at because we don't have to plan everything around that open standard. As much as I'd love it to be that open.
Ste (16:06.102)
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I mean their model, I mean it's impressive and props to them for doing that.
Yeah, it has its problems because it is on the federated verse. I was thinking about something much more along the lines of many companies. This model where there's also a core team that makes the product decisions, I think that's best because open source means if someone wants to fix something, they can do that. So we don't...
don't have to wait for us and we've had plenty of people for Hardcover that have been asking for that and you know if they're really involved they can at some point even become part of the team but it takes away you know that necessity of them being on the team to do those changes and they're still like a core company managing the open source product which works for many and you
Ste (17:13.488)
who are working.
Adam (17:15.874)
That's kind of how TypeSense is for, you know, they have like their cloud offering, which is what pays for the rest of the business and continuing like a development of like the features that we're using. So by using the cloud, we can like help support them while get something that's really good for a very reasonable price. Yeah.
Adam (17:43.054)
Let's see. I think we might've, okay. There we go, it was buffering a bit.
Ste (17:47.774)
Oh yeah, here we go. Yeah, it's a really good model. And I'm hoping, I mean, this is the, I think the model that we should be looking into for hardcover as well to have like that product. What's important for this model is that if we do something bad or, I don't know, if we stray from our mission, you can always...
fork it so you can replicate hardcover and build your own if you'd want that, which is what open source is about. I think that mission, I mean, that also puts us in a position where we have to stick to that initial mission and we have to provide updates. But it's also like an assurance that, you know,
As many people mentioned, they're afraid that some of the book platforms they've invested serious amounts of time in, they will just go bankrupt or they will not deliver like goodreads at some point, you know, somebody buys them or somebody, you know, stuff is going on the team and they stop delivering it.
So that is an assurance against this at some point. At that point, someone can continue it because it's an open source project. So that assurance, I think that's what's very good about this open source model. So yeah, I'm glad we're also using other open source.
Adam (19:10.987)
Yeah.
Ste (19:36.326)
bits services for hardcover and yeah, it's a nice model.
Adam (19:41.227)
Yeah.
So, uh, so for today, do you want to take a bit of a look at lists and talk about some improvements there?
Ste (19:56.17)
Yes, of course. Should I share my screen or do you want to share yours?
Adam (20:00.711)
Yeah. If you want to share yours, you're, you're so much faster in Figma. It's, it's more fun to, to watch.
Ste (20:09.43)
Yeah, let me see.
Ste (20:16.918)
Okay, and that's it.
Adam (20:20.315)
Yes.
Ste (20:23.886)
Nice. So, everyone can see that we're trying to clean up the list page a lot and to make it more fun and easier to use. So we've been thinking of a few ways to do that. First, you know, you don't have the list being part of your profile anymore, so that's very good. And what we're trying to do now is...
Find the positioning of these pesky buttons and, well, they're not pesky, they're very good, but find a position for them somewhere where they're easy to use and also don't clutter the page too much because there's a lot of things you can do on this page, especially in the table view and
it as clean as possible you know how weatherbox does their lists there's like so much functionality in there but it's layered so you don't see it like in the same place at the same time it's presented to you when and if you need it so yeah that's kind of what
we're trying to do over here. And yeah, these are the designs we've worked on. I was playing around with this bar that would go on the bottom. I've seen that done, like you said, for comments. And it might be good, but it might also be annoying to have it stick over there and some people might miss it. So...
Another option would be to have them over here. So this would be like the action zone, like list, bookmark it, share it or duplicate it. I also tried the mobile version to see if that like gives us any inspiration and
Adam (22:19.719)
Mm-hmm.
Adam (22:31.015)
Oh nice.
Ste (22:34.834)
You know, I asked him the discord if people like got what these icons are. So we wouldn't have to write the texts. And I think apart from this, which is kind of like, uh, yeah. I mean, people got that.
it's copy lists. So I guess the reason why they didn't get it is that it's not like a common thing for let's say I think only I've only seen it on letterboxed. So yeah, that might be the reason why people didn't get it. But yeah, they got that this is like this is bookmark, this is share, and I did this heading button over here. If the list is yours.
Adam (23:18.43)
Yeah. So what would be in, uh, there's this little like, um, menu icon right here. And this, this one, I'm assuming pulls up, you know, this, uh, drawer. What I was initially thinking like something like this could be used to pull up like these options.
Ste (23:19.942)
So yeah.
Ste (23:33.106)
Yes.
Ste (23:39.986)
These, yeah. That's, yeah, let me just duplicate this. And let's do this. I want to see if I can do something else with that. So we could basically have all of these. Let's do it like this. So, okay, we have this little list. Well, let's make it.
Adam (23:42.882)
Bye-bye.
Ste (24:08.654)
Let's make the background a bit more.
Ste (24:16.614)
Well, let's say it's like that. Or, well, let's give it an actual background. Not this.
Ste (24:32.446)
I'm just too glad there may be.
Adam (24:37.486)
Yeah, something like that.
Ste (24:40.302)
Yeah, that's why I initially put it there. The problem I have with this one is that I think at least like in bookmark, should be like high level. So I guess it would be like a bit annoying to...
Adam (24:56.707)
Hmm.
Ste (25:00.018)
have to tap a drop down to bookmark or like a list for duplicating it and sharing it. I think sure, yeah, that's like a good place even for editing and pinning the list. But I was also looking at letterbox and yeah, I think for the like and bookmark, maybe those can be like, let's put like here.
We have more space now.
I'm going to go ahead and turn it off.
Adam (25:33.774)
So yeah, that's kind of.
Ste (25:36.95)
Oh, yeah, sorry.
Adam (25:38.718)
No, no, you're good. That's kind of what I was thinking, but, and then with the.
Ste (25:44.45)
Yeah, and this would be share pin, if it was your list. Let's see, do we have a pin here?
Adam (25:45.082)
this option over here.
Ste (25:56.298)
here. Let's see, so we go on Font Awesome and search for a pin icon.
Ste (26:08.886)
in my Pinterest, it's like give me an actual pin.
Adam (26:12.242)
It's a pin. Is it? And I feel like I've done this search on font awesome multiple times for this same icon. What's it called? Thumbtack. That's what it is.
Ste (26:21.24)
Oh, Thumbtack, okay. Thumbtack. Okay, that's a weird name. Well, I guess that's what it is. And edit switches, I know this one is a span.
Okay, and we can actually make these fill the container and centered. So yeah, we have all those.
Adam (26:49.39)
and then like these, maybe like over there.
Ste (26:51.766)
Oh yeah, the views. Yeah, the views can go over there. I initially put the views under, uh, like over here. So you'll be able to change the view since they were associated with the books, but I guess over here would be good as well. Right. And maybe this would disappear if you clicked on bookmarks or discussions. Right.
Adam (27:18.315)
Um, oh yeah, good point. Because those are book-specific ones. Hmm.
Ste (27:21.29)
Yeah, yeah, I mean, we can put them over here. Yeah, that's why I moved all of the filters. So these little things move to the actual.
Adam (27:32.827)
I see.
Ste (27:42.79)
drawer and I added appearance over here what did I want to do with that
Adam (27:44.468)
Yeah.
Adam (27:55.79)
could have been like fade red or like it would be like the use the cover from your library versus the cover from like the book itself.
Ste (27:56.242)
question. I think, yeah.
Ste (28:07.964)
Yes.
That's it.
Ste (28:14.894)
Yeah, exactly. So you'd be able to do all the filtering and appearance and view from here. Uh, I don't know. Do you think that would be like that extra tap would be.
Annoying?
Adam (28:37.454)
Hmm. I think maybe for the view, I can see the view being useful enough to put that at the high level. And then if we wanted to, we could make it so that if you're on bookmarks and you click on one of these, then it jumps you back to the Books tab with that view active.
Ste (28:59.55)
Okay yeah that's better than making them disappear that's right. Yeah wait I wanted to see if I can make this a little bit oh no.
Ste (29:14.634)
from here like 26, 26 over there, 28.
Adam (29:23.21)
And this does include tags for lists, which is something we currently don't have, but I was playing with the idea of it.
Ste (29:23.546)
Okay.
Ste (29:33.874)
Oh, yeah, that would actually be good. So, oh, yeah, that wouldn't be like a filtering category. Yeah, I think the top three tags like here would work really well. I wouldn't show all of them. I don't know, what do you think? I mean, some lists might have like 50 tags. Maybe which, yeah. What do you think?
Adam (29:34.67)
since, yeah.
Adam (29:58.558)
I think, yeah, maybe, maybe we could just limit the number of tags people add for a list like, or, or maybe, maybe we only show like three and then like dots and then it can be expanded or something like that.
Ste (30:13.182)
Oh yeah, exactly, yeah.
Ste (30:19.034)
Maybe with this one.
Ste (30:24.878)
Yeah, it shouldn't be too visible, but just enough so you can, if you want to see all the tags, just see all the tags.
Ste (30:38.35)
well it doesn't look extremely good over here so maybe
Just about, yeah. Since there are a lot of sections that you can scroll vertically over here, at least in table view, yeah, I'm guessing we can make the scroll like this on mobile. Or not, or just make it so that, you know, if, yeah, it just cuts to.
Adam (30:58.646)
Hmm.
Adam (31:02.347)
Yeah.
Adam (31:07.792)
Oh, yeah.
Adam (31:16.35)
Yeah. Uh, another option. Well, I was going to say like make one like partially transparent, like, you know, it's, it like fades out kind of like normally things fade out like horizontally, but fading out like, or normally they fade out vertically, but fading out one horizontally could be a way to like showcase that, uh, there's more there.
Ste (31:33.166)
Yeah.
Ste (31:39.114)
Let's see. Yeah, that's a good idea.
Ste (31:52.248)
Yeah, just nice gradient over there.
Adam (31:58.786)
Oh yeah.
Ste (32:01.243)
Yeah.
Ste (32:08.526)
Yeah, that's nice. That fade looks great.
Adam (32:15.022)
Yeah, that could work. There's a lot going on this page, but it feels easier to see than the current version.
Ste (32:18.095)
Yeah, and we all...
Ste (32:27.318)
Yeah, definitely. I mean, we can remove some things from here, especially so I did this like minimized version of your progress. Over here, I was thinking since we have all this space, we can actually put the stats over here. Like we don't have anything here, so they might go in there.
Ste (32:53.67)
What do you think? On desktop at least.
Adam (32:54.794)
Yeah, it's funny because I actually played around with that locally and it did work. I think when I thought about making it like an actual chart, like the one right above this, that's when I moved it kind of above.
Ste (33:16.242)
Yeah, I get how. I mean, this would work up to like a really limit. I mean, we could put it here. So and we could put like that line as well. I'd make it smaller though.
Adam (33:16.694)
but if it's like a one-liner, it could fit on the tab bar.
Ste (33:35.582)
So...
Ste (33:40.375)
here and
Say this is 84, and yeah, clip the content. And we make it two pixels instead of one.
Ste (33:57.414)
Yeah, just have it a bit more, I guess.
Adam (34:03.081)
Mm-hmm.
Ste (34:04.25)
A little bit smaller.
Ste (34:10.198)
swabs.
Adam (34:10.738)
Yeah, that could work.
Ste (34:13.182)
gray line so it goes.
Adam (34:19.218)
Mmm.
Ste (34:24.382)
Thank you.
Adam (34:26.45)
It feels a little a little cramped right now though. Like.
Ste (34:35.33)
Yeah.
Ste (34:45.255)
We might end up like exactly.
Ste (34:51.238)
the same place where you had it but at least we know it, right?
Adam (34:54.562)
Huh.
Adam (34:59.999)
Yeah.
Ste (35:06.494)
Okay, yeah, I mean, this is not...
Adam (35:06.71)
Yeah.
Ste (35:12.898)
Yeah, this is basically the same thing, but...
Adam (35:13.77)
One of the things I... Yeah, with a slightly smaller height bar, some typography.
Ste (35:28.222)
Yeah. And yeah, I was thinking that, you know, it might go, if it's on one line, it might go, you know, next to either this or this. But if it's on, you know, bigger height, maybe we can, yeah, align it. So these are two columns, this is one, and this is the other.
Adam (35:29.95)
Yeah.
Ste (35:58.182)
when it gets responsive. The sling might be bigger though, like longer than this.
Adam (36:11.386)
And yeah, since in that link, I'm thinking we would just use the domain, but even the domain could be really long. So we'd probably need to cut off the domain at a certain character.
Ste (36:21.598)
Hmm.
Ste (36:24.794)
Yeah, maybe, I don't know, 40, 30 characters, something like that.
Adam (36:32.634)
Yeah, yeah, I've really liked that approach for showing links where you don't show the full thing, you just show like the domain it's from.
Ste (36:40.162)
Yeah, that's really good. Yeah, because else, I mean, most links on lists are huge. So in this case, it will work really well because you get this, so yeah, that's perfect.
Adam (36:59.874)
One other thing that I kind of did like about Letterboxd is this list text, like this right here is 103 characters and I think it can probably hold another 10. So it's like 115 or so. And I'm thinking the target width for readability is like,
Ste (37:24.219)
Yeah.
Adam (37:29.114)
70 characters, which would be cutting off after top.
Ste (37:37.938)
So basically put this here.
Adam (37:41.269)
Yeah.
Ste (37:45.834)
Yeah, I mean, I played around with this like two column alignment. The problem is for this one is, uh, I think like when you see a list, the thing you want to see after, I mean, the first thing you want to see is the books. So I wouldn't like make it go.
Adam (38:08.995)
Mm.
Ste (38:10.714)
so further down that was like one of the reasons I tried to push this section to be as uh you know uh
Ste (38:23.634)
with as little height as possible. Plus it gives us some weird spacings. For instance, if we do this, we might probably have to play around with all of these. I was, I tried to put these next to this, so you have two columns over here and these over here, but...
Adam (38:27.359)
Yeah.
Adam (38:55.534)
Hmm. Yeah, interesting.
Ste (38:58.493)
I mean...
It could work, but... And if we... This is the version without the button, so... Yeah, looking here... We could do this kind of thing, and maybe... Do this, but... This... Quickly... Very quickly, so... It might pose... Some problems.
because the list titles are very variable. The descriptions are very variable. So the number of tags are also variable. And you see, if we do this, it leaves a lot of space in here. There are a lot of elements which are, see even here.
there's I think too much going on in this part and people would be interested to see this part as fast as possible. So the actual books. So I'm thinking how we can make this as decluttered as possible so that focus over here is not on like this header, but on
Adam (40:06.481)
Yeah.
Ste (40:22.79)
the books themselves. The header is just like an intro that's as, you know...
Ste (40:35.694)
as narrow as possible.
Adam (40:35.71)
Yeah, you don't, you don't want to have to read 30 options before you start reading the books. You want to have like the minimum amount you need to see initially. Um, yeah, it's like one, one thing I played around with was using something kind of like we did on the mobile, um,
Ste (40:40.967)
Yeah.
Ste (40:46.106)
Mm-hmm.
Adam (41:00.77)
here where it's like.
Yeah, it's like some of that's up there.
Adam (41:09.714)
And then it's, yeah, I mean, it's basically like this exact thing that you have here, but with like this component being like.
Yeah, like over there, like right aligned with the rightmost thing.
Adam (41:33.046)
But I think I actually like, well, I don't know.
Ste (41:33.658)
Yeah, I mean...
Adam (41:38.538)
I think I like that from like here up. This part I'm still like trying to wrap my head around cause or these two, like all the different tabs and all the different options. Like ideally, like if you were able to just see this and have these be accessed in a different way, it would be so much cleaner.
Ste (41:46.463)
I'm sorry.
Ste (41:58.418)
Yeah.
Ste (42:04.214)
Yeah, that's a great idea. I mean...
Adam (42:04.418)
but you need those somewhere.
Ste (42:10.402)
Yeah, what if, I mean, let's rethink the navigation because I had a problem with the tabs. I mean, not a problem, but I think there's an opportunity here to rethink, yeah, how you're navigating through these. So the tabs can be up top, but yeah, if the tabs weren't up top, where would they be? Because I'm thinking...
Adam (42:36.814)
Thanks for watching!
Ste (42:38.726)
They could be maybe somewhere else. So if you were here and you'd see this layout, where would you go to navigate? So we have books, stats, bookmarks, discussions.
Adam (42:40.674)
Yeah.
Ste (43:07.474)
Can you think of another example? Yeah.
Adam (43:08.182)
Yeah, I was thinking like...
Adam (43:12.402)
Yeah, like.
Adam (43:18.922)
Yeah, there's like a, like a, a drop down, um, or maybe like, you know, this thing right here, like, uh, um, becomes a link to stats by itself. And then like bookmarks becomes a link to bookmarks.
Adam (43:41.046)
But then I guess, you know, that, that's actually, it actually needs to bookmark it though. So it's, it doesn't exactly work. Um.
Ste (43:41.606)
Yeah, that could work, but yeah.
Ste (43:48.642)
Yeah, I know. Yeah. And it's, I mean, it will definitely create confusion for people who actually want to bookmark it. Uh, and I kind of like needs the navigation to be like, if we're going to use it over here, uh, we got to make a pattern to use this navigation in other places on the websites. So, uh,
If we have tab navigation basically allows you to browse through multiple screens. I'm thinking like if we had a swipe approach on this, but yeah, on desktop it doesn't really work. Or maybe if we place the tabs someplace else, but yeah, that again is kind of tricky. We could also...
Ste (44:48.958)
have an approach, you know, like we have this bar with just the icons, but I'm worried over here that we need text for it to be clear. I don't know.
Adam (44:59.95)
Thank you.
Adam (45:07.454)
Yeah, I guess, yeah, I'm wondering like one option is, okay, let's say, I'm just going to brainstorm this. You know, we say, you know, 15 bookmarks.
Ste (45:18.429)
Yeah.
Adam (45:31.653)
and
Adam (45:35.234)
Like, you know, this goes to the bookmarks page.
Adam (45:42.178)
Where is...
Adam (45:48.644)
And then...
Adam (45:53.246)
So kind of what we need is like.
stats. So if there's some way to make this stats part go to stats, yeah, exactly. Something like that.
Ste (46:03.166)
that. So we mix it in.
Adam (46:06.702)
That could work.
Ste (46:10.582)
Just this and...
Ste (46:16.83)
Yeah, this is, yeah, I think that's the problem I had with it, see, because from these tabs, we have four tabs right now. We have books, stats, bookmarks, and discussions. I think people are realistically interested in books, and then I think stats are nice, bookmarks are nice, so seeing people bookmark the entire thing.
Adam (46:40.722)
But books are the core. Yeah.
Ste (46:43.682)
and discussions would be important. So I'm guessing if this was.
Ste (46:56.634)
with discussions active, what would it look like and where would discussions be? I'm thinking, you know, discussions could be like right at the end of it, like comments. Let me like bring in some mockups from the discussions prototype so that we can...
Adam (47:12.215)
Mmm.
Adam (47:24.439)
I have an idea for this too.
Ste (47:25.719)
So discussions would basically be.
Ste (47:33.734)
like all the discussions like this.
Ste (47:40.154)
So let's copy these. Okay.
Adam (47:50.054)
Yeah, I copied one over to a, but I think we already have a, yeah.
Ste (47:53.022)
Which one are you working on? Okay, let me just paste discussions over here. So you'd have these and then you'd have discussions maybe with a nice title. Whoop, not that.
Ste (48:16.442)
Well, yeah, just...
things up really rough here but
Adam (48:24.822)
soon.
Adam (48:47.026)
In a...
Adam (48:51.782)
Yeah, in that case, where would, yeah, so how would discussions kind of play into it?
Ste (48:53.694)
We're in work mode everybody. This is what flow feels like.
Ste (49:28.902)
Yeah, I think, you know, it would need some kind of tab navigation because you can just show discussions even though the books would be like.
Ste (49:56.446)
And we'd have to be able to trigger the filters and...
Adam (49:57.71)
Yeah.
Ste (50:08.326)
all the sorting, so I'm thinking, you know, if we can trigger this on mobile.
Ste (50:16.99)
Maybe this can be a drop down that can be used on desktop as well. So we're using the exact same thing. So there are these icons that we just use over here, maybe.
Adam (50:30.327)
Mm-hmm.
Adam (50:40.491)
Yeah.
Ste (50:40.914)
Wait, Adam, I don't think I can hear you, sure.
Adam (50:45.554)
Oh, let's see, can you hear me? Let me double check my mic here.
Ste (50:54.778)
And they're up. I think you're blocked.
Adam (50:56.974)
Let's see, anything now?
Okay.
Adam (51:06.24)
mm-mm-mm technical difficulties.
Ste (51:10.052)
Ah, here we go. I think you were blocked for some time, or I was blocked for some time.
Adam (51:11.026)
Cool, can you hear me?
Adam (51:15.158)
No, it was, I was mostly listening to you anyways, so I wasn't saying much.
Ste (51:20.024)
Okay, here we go. So let me reshare that.
Adam (51:23.234)
But yeah, I like the idea of having the filter dropdown and the appearance icons on the desktop that are very similar to the mobile one. I think I was initially trying to do too many options, kind of like how Letterboxd does, where you can just top level click into a lot of them. But it does clutter the interface a lot. And I feel like...
Like I've been using Letterboxx for 10 years and there are still options in there I've never clicked into. So that's probably a good sign that it's maybe overcomplicated except for super advanced users.
Ste (52:08.22)
Okay, yeah, it's kind of a bit. Yeah, I know, I mean, I totally get it. And it's nice to have them high level accessible, but I guess like one extra, so the thing you're trading is clarity or getting to what you see first to like another.
tap or click that you'd have to make to achieve filtering. But I'm guessing filtering is kind of like a secondary option, so.
Adam (52:42.642)
Yeah, and we could probably add these here too.
Ste (52:48.192)
The first priority on this page would be to see the books. Everybody wants to see the books and then they read the description, they read the... So the title is the hook that you see when you're browsing lists. Then you wanna see the actual books on the list. Then you wanna see maybe even before the description the reason why they were added on the list. So for the car view, that's gonna be really important. And...
I think the filtering has to do more with a secondary action where you really want to dig in into what's happening on the list. It's either someone else's list that you want to filter or it's a list from a known source that you want to...
let's say it has more than 200 books and you want to find something really specific to your reading. So it totally makes sense to not have it like high level up there.
When you're filtering, you really want to pay attention. So it wouldn't be something you'd want to do like a lot, like just filter through, filter through. It's like you're looking at the list, you're filtering, you're looking at the list again for, I don't know, maybe five, 10, 20 minutes. Then you are refining your filters, but it's not something that you just wanna like.
sort and filter, sort and filter, like do over and over again. So yeah, that kind of looks good.
Adam (54:28.898)
Yeah, it's...
Yeah, I think I'm trying to see if your screen has updated with some of the changes that mine has. Does yours see? Okay, okay, yeah.
Ste (54:39.592)
Oh yeah. Yeah, you're here. I think maybe I'd put this over here because, uh, I guess this is like an action, right? So this would be, maybe we can even stick like duplicate and share in there and just have it like that.
Adam (54:46.031)
Oh, yeah.
Adam (54:59.358)
Yeah, because it's exactly, yeah, because then it could also have pinned to profile and edit. It's kind of, yeah, it's all those, it's all those control behaviors that don't really change what's in the list or how the list looks. So yeah, it makes sense to be up there.
Ste (55:15.304)
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So those are the actions, basically. So yeah, that would be the filtering. Well, yeah, I think, I mean, this makes a lot of sense. And I think it's easy to, you can even like, maybe put like, do you think it's clear these are filters, or do we need something like this? Or like maybe a button for those?
Adam (55:17.77)
And then we could probably just add like some other one for sorting.
unless we want sorting and filtering to be in the same thing.
Adam (55:39.898)
Actually, I kind of like these ones that you created that are like, yeah.
Ste (55:43.272)
Oh, these ones, right?
Oh yeah, you're already gone. Ha, here we go. Yeah.
Adam (55:48.322)
Like this.
Ste (55:53.596)
Oh, let me grab the 12 from there.
Adam (55:53.718)
Like, we're... Whoa. Oh, yeah.
Ste (55:58.976)
just put it over the filter so you know how many filters you have and just put it maybe here. No, wait, here. Maybe. Okay. So, I'm going to go ahead and just put it over the filter so you know how many filters you have and just put it maybe here. No, wait, here.
Adam (56:10.146)
What about like filters in a light gray and then the 12 and kind of a dark gray? Kind of like the sort ones.
Ste (56:31.477)
Yeah, this is good.
Adam (56:35.598)
That's seems pretty good. Like one option is like we put these aligned with that or we put them after. If we put them after then like this component right here is like dynamic enough that we could inject this part anywhere we show a list of books. Like that could be on the author page, it could be on tags page. It's
Ste (56:42.124)
Yeah.
Ste (57:05.971)
Yeah, that'd be great. Well, right now it's looking very, very clean. It's very good. Maybe even like make it like...
Adam (57:09.437)
Thank you.
Adam (57:14.351)
Oh yeah, I think we had like this here.
Ste (57:22.28)
Oh yeah.
Adam (57:22.958)
And we talked about this here. Oops.
Ste (57:38.144)
Yeah, I'm basically thinking on the bookmarks would take to the bookmarks. Or maybe just show like the people who bookmark it with a lazy load in like a dialogue similar to the one where you're searching for, for people. Kind of like, whoop.
Adam (57:56.074)
Oh, yeah. Or like our likes modal. It could be kind of similar to our likes modal. Oh, that.
Ste (58:02.496)
Yes. Uh huh, yeah, something like this.
Adam (58:12.362)
I'm trying to think, like, there are some, I think the most bookmarked list has over a hundred bookmarks.
Ste (58:19.884)
Hmm, maybe then it's a modal so it doesn't like yeah maybe it's a modal and you scroll and it's lazy loading and You just have like the latest ones on top
Adam (58:36.722)
Yeah, I mean, that would be easy enough. And that way we wouldn't have to have a whole extra page for just that. And they could stay here on this page while it's going. And in that case, the books part wouldn't even need to be a link really, unless you're on the stats page.
Ste (58:42.284)
Yeah.
Ste (58:55.056)
Oh yeah, exactly. And we can have like a backlink on the stats page, maybe. So, back to books. I'm going to design the stats page as well. I think that could use some updates at some point, maybe not now, but...
Adam (59:04.031)
Yeah.
Adam (59:16.714)
Yeah, that's, I think that's like when I think about the oldest pages on hardcover, I think the list stats page could be one of the oldest pages.
Ste (59:26.336)
I think like with the number of updates we've done to the other pages. Yeah, it might as well be, which says like things about how fast we ship. I mean, I know the list page didn't receive updates for like, we already did that. And it felt like new last time we did it. Now it's going to feel like even, I mean, this is like refined to.
Adam (59:37.506)
Yeah.
Adam (59:50.798)
Thanks for watching!
Ste (59:54.364)
a point where...
Adam (59:55.65)
Yeah.
Ste (59:58.068)
This is going to be great to like experience. Yeah, I mean, this is looking great. So what's left to design over here? Yeah, go ahead.
Adam (59:59.37)
It's...
Adam (01:00:04.05)
Yeah, it's funny because...
Adam (01:00:09.034)
Let's see. Oh yeah, I was just gonna say, it's like we had to go through all those phases to figure out like what was too much so we could roll it back and make it easy to use. And I feel like now we're making, we're kind of combining those, like we're combining a powerful list experience with an easy to use experience, which I'm very excited about.
Ste (01:00:30.204)
Yeah. That's the, that's the sweet spot. And you know, I think my experience in design goes exactly like this. So you kind of like have to blow it up to like a proportion where, you know, you add everything you want in there. And at that moment is when you realize, you know, you got to refine it. But yeah, I mean, that's how it works. And it's working here. It's.
Adam (01:00:59.363)
Hehehe
Ste (01:01:00.928)
Got all the stuff, but look at this. This is, yeah, very nice and clean. Nice. So what's left to design over here is like how it would behave on the stats page and all of these drop downs, but those are pretty easy. And for filters, do you think we should be doing a popover or something like that, or should we do something different?
Adam (01:01:07.595)
Yeah.
Adam (01:01:30.614)
Hmm. Yeah, so the I feel like that the easiest way would be doing a popover that's similar to the mobile one. And.
Ste (01:01:45.129)
Mm-hmm.
Adam (01:01:51.838)
Yeah, because on mobile, it's going to be one popover for sorting and filtering. And if we do the filtering one, it's kind of like, and if we don't need this view one anymore.
Ste (01:01:57.842)
Yeah.
It would just be... Ah...
Ste (01:02:08.1)
and the appearance... maybe appearance as well.
and maybe we'll like expand this so it's not filters it's like the actual filters
Adam (01:02:23.774)
Yeah, I'm trying to remember what I, yeah, cause a lot of these are gonna be like, well, I guess one thing to figure out for this is how much we want to allow people to set things like with the keyboard versus just clicking. So for instance, like,
Like genres are an easy one to me. Like we can just list out the genres that are in this list sorted by like count. So you could say like, you know, um, fantasy five, and then it has like a little check mark by it or, or it has probably an option that says like all. And that's the default. And then if they select one of them, it unselects all, and it selects the one that they click on and they can select multiple. And you know, it, it filters by those genres. Um,
Ste (01:02:58.529)
Yeah.
Ste (01:03:18.38)
Nice.
Adam (01:03:19.478)
But for something like, I guess it depends on what, maybe the next thing we need to do is figure out exactly what we want to be able to filter by and what we want to be able to sort by here. Cause I feel like, yeah. Oh, go ahead.
Ste (01:03:28.84)
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, because I think now, uh, yeah, I know, uh, now there's like a lot of options, but, uh, I don't feel like they're used and, uh, using, uh, hardcover. I think we also got the sense of what you actually want to do and what's useful. Or not. So yeah, I guess like, let's see what.
filters you actually want to have in there, probably like common sense ones, like you have maybe this could be like a filter not have its own category like the published between this year and this year, the ratings, average ratings between this and that number of stars and I'm guessing I like the letterboxed flow where
you actually have categories of filters, and then you go into the actual filter, set it and go back to the category. So we could do that. We just have to figure out where to put like, yeah.
Adam (01:04:40.727)
Mm-hmm. I like that too.
Adam (01:04:46.806)
Yeah, that would allow for like a full screen for each of those filters. So if you wanted to do like, release date between X and Y, or release year more likely between X and Y, we could make both of those like fields or they could be draggable, like a range input.
Ste (01:05:01.048)
Mm-hmm.
Ste (01:05:10.773)
Yeah.
Ste (01:05:14.516)
Yeah, that'd be great. Probably like the only thing I'm worried about is that this is a popover. So the only thing to...
Adam (01:05:15.404)
Yeah.
Ste (01:05:23.584)
be mindful of here is how this space, so if the filters are more complex, if the popover becomes bigger when you go into actually setting them, or if we should do something else completely, like maybe have one of those bars where you have them on the side and that bar becomes the drawer on mobile, but you actually, if you click on filters, you have this kind of side drawer.
Adam (01:05:50.163)
Mm.
Ste (01:05:53.498)
Thank you for watching.
on the left or right and you have like more space to set everything. What are your thoughts on that? And I think yeah.
Adam (01:05:57.365)
Yeah.
Adam (01:06:08.398)
Hmm. I think, I think I'm almost leaning towards the side drawer on desktop for filters for sorting, I'm thinking it could be that dropdown because we're only going to have a couple of sorting options or at least a finite number, but filters could be long.
Ste (01:06:21.738)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Ste (01:06:28.452)
Uh-huh, yeah, I know. That's my worry as well. And we could do that. I had a nice popover example. Let me see. There's this library. I think I shared it a couple of times. And they have a Redix UI component for.
what's it called? I mean we can use Fremor Motion for that actually and just as we do like the bottom drawer on mobile we can do the side drawer on desktop so what's like appearing from beneath on mobile actually appears from like the side.
Adam (01:07:12.978)
Yeah, that'd be cool. Yeah, I think I'd be down for that.
Ste (01:07:15.888)
Yeah, I think we just have to figure out what filters to go in there. So I think that's our next mission.
Adam (01:07:26.983)
Yeah.
Ste (01:07:30.932)
Yeah, I think this leaves it in a good place for us to have a think about that.
Adam (01:07:31.776)
Well...
Adam (01:07:37.41)
Yeah. Cool. Well, I think this will probably be the next thing I work on after, you know, search plus, you know, getting the urine books out. So there's still, there's no rush to get this designed ASAP so we can iterate on the filters and search a bit more. Yeah. I think we're in a good spot.
Ste (01:08:01.348)
Yeah, yeah, it definitely pays off. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It pays off to iterate. I mean, look at the progress we've been making just by a couple of iterations. And it will definitely be a game changer to see it like that with the same controls. It would be like, yeah, really nice to use. Ah, it's perfect.
Adam (01:08:10.03)
Hehehehe
Adam (01:08:20.084)
Yeah.
And one last question thought I have is for that stats part. Initially, I concede stats to have, there's kind of like two categories of stats. There's stats about the list, and there's stats for you about the list. And I'm thinking maybe we do away with stats about the list and make it just about you. And that way, we don't have to worry
creating multiple versions of the stats page. It's like, here are your stats for this list. But it's also kind of neat in that stats page, we could show general stats about the list as well. But any...
Ste (01:09:06.184)
Yeah, that's, I mean, I like that, you know, you could see general, the general stats as well. I guess those are useful. For your stats, I guess it would be how much you've read and what else could we include over there.
for like your personal stats related to that list because I'm thinking this would be a bit trickier like how many authors you've read but it would basically be around how much you've covered from that list and apart from like
Adam (01:09:31.219)
Yeah.
Adam (01:09:34.827)
Yeah.
Adam (01:09:53.356)
Yeah.
Ste (01:09:55.616)
the books you've read and the authors you've read from that list, like you've read other books from authors that appeared on that list.
Adam (01:10:05.058)
Yeah.
Yeah, maybe it becomes kind of both. It becomes a general stats page, and if you're logged in, we enhance it with additional stats about you. That way, it kind of serves both purposes.
Ste (01:10:08.204)
Who cares?
Ste (01:10:18.324)
Yeah, that actually, yeah, that sounds great. That sounds great. And you know, we have, maybe we can like revamp that stats page just a little bit, but.
to make it more visual. I'm thinking, you know, make everything closer to what I've seen other apps do, like make it more visual and more simplified. Well, it is already pretty visual, but yeah, make it even more like fun. But a mix sounds great.
Adam (01:10:47.015)
Yeah, and...
Adam (01:10:54.063)
Wanna... Yeah.
Yeah, and it could even be a list, like not like a list feature, but like a group of books feature, like basically being able to get stats on any group of books. And then that way that same feature could be used on an author, it could be used on a, your want to read list.
Ste (01:11:09.852)
Oh yeah, I mean.
Ste (01:11:20.2)
Yeah, and we basically have it.
Adam (01:11:22.218)
Or your goals, your goals. If you did it for your goals, we could do like a year in review for your goal. And that would be your, your goals stats page.
Ste (01:11:30.696)
Yeah, if we can make it so modular, yeah, I mean, I definitely... It would be great to have those stats for multiple things that we can just... Yeah, let's look into that. Let's see if that works. It would be great to do the same we do as discussions to make everything so modular that we can get like...
those stats for authors, for your goals. Yeah. Yeah, that'd be neat. Plus, it would allow us to make it look the same for your stats. Like, my year in books would look the same as the hardcover year in books, and it would look the same as the list stats, which, yeah, I think is kind of like where I think we should be going with how we approach it.
But yeah, it's nice. There's also editing the list, but I'm guessing that's a simple screen. We can just take care of that after we push all the updates to make the editing as simple as possible as well. So if you wanna change the description, maybe set the cover for pro counts as well, set the custom cover for the list, not have the...
Adam (01:12:30.007)
Yeah.
Adam (01:12:40.199)
Yeah.
Adam (01:12:56.328)
Yeah.
Ste (01:12:57.588)
That'd be nice. I mean, I'd use that feature. I mean, that would be interesting to set my custom cover. And it could be used for promotional purposes as well. I've seen lots of book talkers and lots of people on like other networks on Instagram have themed imagery with their books. Like an author has a book and
Adam (01:13:07.01)
That'd be neat, yeah.
Ste (01:13:24.236)
They want to promote it. That could sit over there. Or they can just have a nice image or their art. Yeah. Nice.
Adam (01:13:31.522)
That'd be cool.
Adam (01:13:35.85)
Yeah, if we could make it, if we can make that like part of a content creators process where they're like, you know, they're, they're making a video about a list on tick tock, if they make the list on hardcover to kind of, um, set it up, you know, to the brainstorm and then they record their video, then they could just link their video afterwards. So if we can make lists that easy to use, that they're like using it as part of their creation process, which is what we're doing for the year in books. So we know it's.
it's a possibility, then that would be a good way to kind of ease into some new content creators using hardcover.
Ste (01:14:20.444)
Sorry, you cut off a bit. Yeah. Ha ha ha.
Adam (01:14:21.13)
Well, let's see. I think, oh yeah, cool. Well, I think we've, we've covered a bunch, but yeah, this is, this has been a, this has been a fun one. Cool.
Ste (01:14:25.528)
There we go.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, it's been really good and I'm really glad how this turned out. Great, well, yeah, until next time I guess we'll be cooking the lists and the Eurian books and librarians watch out on that channel because we need your help to sort out the Eurian books page to get you ready for Christmas. Yeah, and other than that, see you next week.
Adam (01:14:39.646)
Hehehe
Adam (01:14:56.287)
Bye, see ya.
Ste (01:14:57.728)
Yeah. Bye.