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Seth Holehouse is a TV personality, YouTuber, podcaster, and patriot who became a household name in 2020 after his video exposing election fraud was tweeted, shared, uploaded, and pinned by President Donald Trump — reaching hundreds of millions worldwide.
Titled The Plot to Steal America, the video was created with a mission to warn Americans about the communist threat to our nation—a mission that’s been at the forefront of Seth’s life for nearly two decades.
After 10 years behind the scenes at The Epoch Times, launching his own show was the logical next step. Since its debut, Seth’s show “Man in America” has garnered 1M+ viewers on a monthly basis as his commitment to bring hope to patriots and to fight communism and socialism grows daily. His guests have included Peter Navarro, Kash Patel, Senator Wendy Rogers, General Michael Flynn, and General Robert Spalding.
He is also a regular speaker at the “ReAwaken America Tour” alongside Eric Trump, Mike Lindell, Gen. Flynn.
Welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holhouse. The changes that we've seen in our medical industry and the public distrust of medical industry have been absolutely massive, especially in the past five years. The the drop in trust for big pharma big pharma, it just it's collapsing. The public is waking up this up, but not everyone still is.
Seth Holehouse:And especially when you get into cancer, the the most frightening thing you can hear from a doctor is, I'm sorry. You have cancer. And so recently, there's I'll be getting into into it in today's show. There's a a very popular woman that just had a baby and was told that she has stage zero breast cancer. And the instant recommendation from her doctors was double mastectomy.
Seth Holehouse:It wasn't, you know, hey, treat with corn dioxide or, you know, treat it with methylene blue or treat it with ivermectin, or let's look at your diet or high dose vitamin c. It was, let's just go and literally remove your breasts as a way of treating this, but what's also crazy is that this is open information you can find that I think it's upwards of one in seven women are misdiagnosed with breast cancer, so how many women have had mastectomies when they didn't have to because it was misdiagnosed, or how many women actually got breast cancer from the repeated mammogram screening? I mean, it's such a tragic situation, and that's just the tip of the iceberg, and so joining me today is my very good friend Jonathan Otto, and we'll be diving into a lot of these bigger picture things that are happening within the cancer industry. The cover up, the complete, indoctrination of these indoctrinated doctors that will only give you one solution, which is the expensive surgery, the expensive chemotherapy. When there are solutions out there that are a couple of dollars, like, literally, like, $15 will give you months worth of chlorine dioxide as an example.
Seth Holehouse:And so Jonathan and I are gonna be diving into all of these topics and so much more. So please enjoy the interview. Mister Jonathan Otto, it's always good to have you on, man. I I think it's been a long time. It's only been a couple of weeks, but it's just always wonderful sitting down with you, so thanks for being here.
Speaker 2:Oh, thank you, Seth. Right back at you, man.
Seth Holehouse:And I I like how you've coordinated your your blue wall with your your blue suit jacket there. It's, I guess, it's got the same kind of coordination as, like, the flannel with the rustic wood. So
Speaker 2:Well, I'm traveling, and I'm in a a hotel in New Mexico, and so I'm yeah. Whatever I had in the bag and this shirt, and just threw it all together, man. Just throw it on and go for it.
Seth Holehouse:It works. So as usual, there are a lot of different topics for us to be digging into, you know, cancer being one of them. And I I wanna start with just this story that is just breaking. This woman, her name is Kat Timp. I think she's she's on Fox News.
Seth Holehouse:She's a a personality. And I I just read through a little bit because this is, like, you know, you and I talk a lot about the big picture studies, the big picture data. This is the on the ground, someone's personal story, and this is heartbreaking. So she said in this tweet, last week, I welcomed my first child into the world. About fifteen hours before I went into labor, I was diagnosed with breast cancer.
Seth Holehouse:Now before you worry, my doctor said it's stage zero and is confident that it almost certainly hasn't spread, or as I've explained to a few people I've managed to tell so far, don't freak out, it's just like a little bit of cancer. Still, it was not a chill day. I mean, to say the least, I woke up more than a week, past due pregnant, completely consumed by doing everything I could do to get the baby out. By the middle of the afternoon, I was waddling around from appointment to appointment talking about how to get my cancer out. I sat and listened as they told me that the best course of action would likely be a double mastectomy as soon as possible.
Seth Holehouse:I asked all the questions I could including if I get a copy of my tumor ultrasound upon the fridge next to the ultrasound of my baby. Finally, the middle of the night, I was crawling around the floor my apartment floor in spontaneous labor before heading to the hospital to meet my baby who I learned was a son. So this to me is so depressing and angering. Obviously, her situation is upsetting to anyone listening, but when they tell her she's at stage zero cancer and the immediate thing is, literally, let's just chop off both of your breasts. Okay.
Seth Holehouse:Now as brutal as that sound, I mean, it sounds a little bit maybe insensitive. That's what that's that's actually how barbaric this is. Now what's crazy is that and you and I have have talked about this. This was a study that came out in 02/2012 at that time, right, saying one point three million over diagnosed breast cancers in thirty years. And this study, which is still probably an underreporting of the reality of this, said, in the past thirty years, an estimated one point three million American women had breast cancers that were over diagnosed, which means their screening detected tumors would never have led to clinical symptoms.
Seth Holehouse:Right, so in 02/2008 alone, breast cancer was over diagnosed in an estimated seventy thousand plus women, which was thirty one percent of all breast cancers diagnosed that year. This is mind blowing that and this isn't even getting into the fact that you know, I'm not sure if we if we covered this, but there's a lot of information showing that mammograms actually cause cancer, which is a whole different story, but the fact that even within that in that one year in 02/2008 that thirty one percent were over diagnosed, what's that mean? It means you wouldn't have had to had a double mastectomy. Like, you can't reverse that. I I mean, what do you you've been covering cancer for, you know, a very long time.
Seth Holehouse:What is this what what do you feel when you see a story like this?
Speaker 2:Yeah. I remember when Sayagy was blowing the whistle on that back about a year or two after that study came out. He was probably blowing the whistle on that before, but I remember filming there when I was working on The Truth About Cancer as a producer, you know, ten years ago, closer to when that study came out and thinking, wow, isn't that amazing? Because that was news to me and isn't that so sad? Isn't that so shocking?
Speaker 2:And isn't that just an example of something that is not fair that it appears like it's there to help you and to screen you and help save your life But in this case, it was an example of something that was profiteering and a barbaric type of intervention. Was it intentional? I can't tell with this particular thing but there's so many lines that are intentional that it creates a soup of things that make it very hard that things may or may not be intentional but there are forces at play that very intentionally withdraw treatments that are very effective and then try to keep you in this pathway. And if they could diagnose you and the more they could diagnose you, it's a very important part of the sales process to get you in the door to make you so afraid for your life. Now you're wanting to buy more than ever before because your life is worth something to you.
Speaker 2:The more you have in your life, the more you've got to live for, the more you're willing to spend and it's just so cruel and it's just horrible. So you know and what are the answers and what's the way out of these types of situations? It's about finding out what actually is causing these issues in the first place. Prevention is key and then even once people have either stage zero, one, two, three, four breast cancer then still working out what's caused that in the first place then gets you in the right pathway to then unravel that so that you can actually not only deal with that problem but future problems because it's, if you have breast cancer one day what's and then you remove your breast now you can't have breast cancer anymore but you can have any other type of cancer for any type of organ tissue that you have in your body. So let's get down to business and work out what's happening inside the cells, correct the cell, fix the cell, and then then live a better life.
Seth Holehouse:Well, what's crazy about it is that obviously you've been studying a lot of alternative medicine and alternative ways of treating and curing cancer, and I've also and I interview a lot of really intelligent people that, you know, like doctor William MacKus, now, who's now having massive, massive success rates treating cancer with ivermectin, phenbodazole, methylene blue, you know, items that are, you know, you know, dollars. Right? You you know, literally, you you can get ivermectin for $20.30 bucks. I mean, these are such inexpensive ways. Not to mention Laetrile, you know, John Richardson over at RNC.
Seth Holehouse:Right? You know, Laetrile, b seventeen, amygdalin. There's that whole approach. Chlorine dioxide, which is, you know, probably the cheapest medicine on earth almost that you can spend $15 and and get this, and you can have you you can last for months with that. We've got corn dioxide that's sitting in our cover for probably two years, that we that we can still use, and it maybe was $15 or $20 for, you know, two bottles of this stuff.
Seth Holehouse:And it's just it's just so crazy, though, that this is our medical system and that the response of these doctors is not, look, let's do everything possible before we have to take something drastic action. And look, I I admit, right, I'm no I'm no doctor, and and, you know, look, you are not given medical advice or disclaimer. Right? Do your own research. Talk to your own, you know, physician.
Seth Holehouse:Hopefully, it's not big pharma position, you know, physician, but I would think why why these doctors say, okay, look, we're gonna hit you with high dose vitamin c, chlorine dioxide, red light therapy, oxygen therapy, like, we're we're gonna hit you with these these 10 different protocols that all have been shown to basically get rid of cancer, and if if after all of that, maybe we have to go to the mastectomy route. So I'm sure there are some cases where, you know, people have to remove parts of their body, like it's it's probably one of the oldest forms of medicine is okay, you've got infection on your leg that's gone. It's got you've got gangrene with the chop your leg off. Right? So it's it's barbaric, but there is a place for it.
Seth Holehouse:Right? But it's just it's so mind numbing to me that this poor woman who should be celebrating the birth of her first child is now thinking, gosh, I won't be able to breastfeed him, like for one, and I'm gonna have to go undergo surgery and have both of my breasts removed. It's it's just it's just it's mind blowing to me. Absolutely mind blowing.
Speaker 2:Wow. Absolutely. It's not fair and and and people aren't being told of what's causing these things. The the things that you know these these measles, these ninety cases of measles, it's a pandemic like let's you know let's now resurrect and bash on people that are talking against vaccine, let's do all this while glyphosate is just sprayed all over our food, which is proven to cause cancer. Eleven billion in lawsuits won against Monsanto, one hundred thousand cases won, fifty thousand cases pending.
Speaker 2:And question glyphosate would be in this woman's body like it's in all of our bodies. And so let's get to the root and let's get these poisons out and then we'll have less of these bewildering states. And even when people get to these states, it's a huge awakening and it's a huge red pill that you can start swallowing even now and then say, okay, I'm gonna look at this and I've got time because you always have time. You have just take a breather and make a decision that's one that is in line with your values and then go deeper into your values, into your faith and ask the right questions. Don't make decisions out of fear.
Speaker 2:Don't make decisions out of pressure, out of wanting to fit status quo, to approve, have somebody approve of you and your decisions, make your decisions for you and what you think based on what you believe, is your values. And, for example, how you feel that God feels about those things that you've chosen, that's your audience right there.
Seth Holehouse:Absolutely. Well, and what's what's crazy is that I'll pull up another thing. This is a report that just came out, saying that that, this is a WHO. This is so this is a, you know, through, allafrica.com, but it's, you know, through a newswire, I think, that, WHO launched the global breast cancer initiative in 2021, which is kinda crazy timing. Right?
Seth Holehouse:Just after the vaccine, the COVID vaccine was rolled out, the WHO is launching their global breast cancer initiative aiming to reduce breast cancer mortality rates by two point five percent per year, so the new report has projected a thirty eight percent increase in breast cancer cases globally by two thousand and fifty, right? So, so the and then a report by the National Agency for Research on Cancer, a specialized branch of the WHO also projected annual deaths from the disease to rise by sixty eight percent. Again, this is something that is so upsetting. So you have the WHO, and you have the yes. So you have WHO and this other cancer agency, which is, you know, one of their branches.
Seth Holehouse:Basically, this new report saying, oh my gosh. Breast cancer is gonna be, you know, kind of skyrocketing. They've got this new initiative to reduce deaths, yet these are the agencies that were pushing the COVID vaccine, the mRNA technology on the entire world, which we now know has caused a massive spike in cancers. I mean, it's just like like as much as there's amazing stuff that's happening, there's a great stuff happening in America, you know, I've got a lot of hope and, you know, a lot of confidence in in what I hope that RFK junior is gonna be doing within, you know, what what hit the a bit is that he has a lot of great doctors that we both know that are very involved in this administration. But the fact that this stuff is still going on, you got organizations like the WHO that are warning about this, they were the ones that were, in a lot of ways, forcing the vaccines in every way possible down everyone's throats around the world.
Seth Holehouse:It's just it's so it's so crazy, and these people that are gonna be then being diagnosed with this huge increase in breast cancer are gonna go to their doctor, which is part of the the pharmaceutical industrial complex, who's then going to recommend, you know, half million dollar chemotherapy treatments, half million dollar double mastectomy operations. And it's just it's like, gosh. You know what? If you own all these different companies, you're gonna be a trillionaire after this. I mean, it's just again, what what do you think, Jonathan?
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Speaker 2:Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's like the bible verse doesn't say that the love of it doesn't say money is the root of all evil. It says the love of money is the root of all evil. And so it is really, really sad and tragic how all these things are stacked together.
Speaker 2:You look at these rising cancer rates and you're exactly right, Seth. Same people that were telling us to go get your shot, go get vaccinated, go get boosted, go do these things. They were never there to then come and help us and support us with now what do we do? And then in terms of all the regenerative therapies that could make you cancer free, well, let's not talk about those, but instead let's talk about all abnormally expensive therapies that are invasive and painful and will basically torture you. Then this is all very normal.
Speaker 2:And then as we're doing this, you should be very grateful to us for all the interventions we've done for you. We gave you your vaccines and we did this for you and we rushed this for you. We warped, speeded this out and we did everything we could for you. And now you've got this diagnosis and we fought for your tooth now. We've been developing these medicines, mastered gas, chemotherapy, right?
Speaker 2:Which is a derivative for mastered gas. But we've developed these therapies. We're here to help you and support you. The doctor did all that he could do. Did he really, did he actually look further than what he was instructed to?
Speaker 2:Was he actually one of the guys that is not brave and he's not courageous and what he does do is follows marching orders? They didn't do all that they could do for you. It's not fair. It's not okay. Unplug from that system.
Speaker 2:I know that we're preaching to the choir here, which then brings us into, okay, well, what to do if you had or have breast cancer or another type of cancer. And I love that we're talking about this because this information is what everyone needs to know and it's the reason why we're seeing so many cases. Like I got a text message today from a friend that had helped with cancer. Not only was his wife with breast cancer cancer free, this is David Volmer. I'll give names so that you can reference these people and he helped Carrie Riviera who and he's been a big supporter of Doctor.
Speaker 2:Andres Kalker's work. Carrie Riviera is the one with over a thousand cases of autism being documented to have been completely reversed And he's been helping her. But anyway, said, I've got more case studies that have come out now of people. He's just a business guy and that have helped with chlorine dioxide that are now cancer free. And that was because I shared it with them because I went to a podcast at the wrong time and we ran into each other because I showed up at the address like a week early.
Speaker 2:I think it was the pod I I think that the guy wasn't clear, but anyway, my point being, we were there, he told me about the therapies his wife was on for cancer. I explained, this is a big one that you're missing. His whole wife's personality changed. He said for the past twenty years, I thought she was lazy. Her personality has changed.
Speaker 2:Got so much energy, she's cancer free, she's happy, she's healthy. And so the chlorine dioxide, that oxygen therapy for her or the electron, however you wanna explain it, it's a ortho electro molecular medicine, oxygen medicine did so much for her that it gave her a vitality in her life that she didn't have even outside of the cancer. So what we're not talking about, what we're talking about is not necessarily just like, oh, let's get rid of these problems. How about we give you the best health ever? How about we give you the superhuman version of yourself that God actually said, this is who you are.
Speaker 2:This is your inheritance. Yes. You're in a difficult world, but but there's ways to get back to this Garden of Eden that exists for all of us.
Seth Holehouse:And and so I'll I'll bring up one more video too because, and then I dive into some different, you know, chlorine dioxide, you know, methylene blue, some things that we've been talking about, and and some also my experiences my family's had as well. But what oftentimes happens is, you know, someone has a lump somewhere, right? Breast cancer, a perfect example. They feel a lump, right? Okay, oh my gosh, you know, they get scared, they get scared, they go to the doctor, the doctor says, Okay, let's do a biopsy.
Seth Holehouse:Let's let's let's, you know, kind of pull some of that skin flesh out of there. Let's put under a microscope and see, you test it, see what's going on there. But I'll play one more video or play videos. It's a minute thirty four seconds because, again, it just even further shows that the solutions that that people are being fed are not solutions. They're actually the inverse of that.
Seth Holehouse:So I'll play this video because this is, again, more shocking information.
Speaker 3:The only way to know if you have cancer is to have a biopsy. Talk to me about that please.
Speaker 4:The problem with a biopsy is this, there's a tumor growing, the body has a fibrin sheath around it and it's doing many things it can do to contain it. And the minute you break that sheath and you break the you break it's like you broke the seal. Now it spreads all over the place. So you do spread it. I had a ballerina from New York City right after I moved to Arizona.
Speaker 4:She was with the New York Ballet and she came she called me from there. And she said, I had just had a biopsy around where they biopsied all these little tumors now. And that's what's happening, so you unleash it. Now, they say, but you need to have a histological diagnosis. We need patho histology or histopathology.
Speaker 4:And with all that means, a pathological diagnosis means will look at the slide and they'll say yes indeed this is from breast and it's a ductal carcinoma. And that's what they say. That's the histological diagnosis. Does that help you? No.
Speaker 4:But what they have to understand is it's also part of the sales team. It's part of the sales technique. Because now they can say because you have this particular kind you need these specific drugs. Right? So it's a way it justifies those drugs.
Speaker 4:The FDA will have approved it. Your insurance will pay for it. It's the right thing to do. And you're going to do that and they're not telling you is that the research is showing that if you take these drugs, you're almost guaranteeing metastasis. Almost guaranteeing metastasis.
Speaker 4:If you did a biopsy and or a surgery, you're going to get metastasis. Now if you add high dose chemo, you're going get metastasis. If you do radiation, you're get metastasis. So that's what happens. What they're looking at is giving you a short term reduction of the primary and that you think, I'm in remission.
Speaker 4:Yeah. Nine months later, would came back.
Seth Holehouse:I mean, what do you think about that, Jonathan?
Speaker 2:Wow. Doctor Thomas Lodie that was with Jonathan Lanceman, two friends of mine, they they did a good job in that discussion of just showing the sales process, showing the words that mask meaning that they're nice technical words, and they make you feel like you're dealing with someone superior to yourself. But everything has to make sense at the end of the day, and, everything everything has to get to a root as as to what caused it in the first place, and these are all the things that are avoided. And then And then it does, it's one of these things where then the therapy that's meant to help diagnose then becomes the thing that's actually causing it and amplifying it and putting a magnifying glass to it. That's a huge problem.
Speaker 2:And it pushes us into then saying, what's the better way? Because if, you know, and then you go from mammography to thermography, you've made a great step in the right direction. Thermography being a much, much better, non invasive, able to detect the cancer when it's the size of a pinhead instead of being a lump. That's clearly superior and that's obviously diagnostic, but you're getting clear data there with thermography as to what's going on. There's other tests that are non invasive.
Speaker 2:Why not exhaust all the non invasive tests? You'll get enough information now make your decisions on that and then look at the regenerative therapies and speaking of and I think there's a connection there that we're going to bring up in regard to thyroid disease because the same thing that's happened with breast cancer is happening with thyroid disease in that women, and again you can decide where you want to go with this, but women especially outnumbering men by a ratio of about ten to one. So it's about ten women for every one man experiencing hypothyroid as an example, Hashimoto's, even Graves' disease, etcetera with hyperthyroidism where the surgery is very similar where it's either just to cut it out the entire thyroid or to give radioactive iodine because the iodine is going to gravitate to the thyroid and then because it's radioactive it's a Trojan horse. It's going to go there and destroy the thyroid and so you've burned it out. And then they're both extremely barbaric out of the two, the radioactive iodine is even worse than their surgery because the surgery at least could maybe have you keep a part of your thyroid but in this case the radioactive iodine is completely nuked it.
Speaker 2:And now you're a patient for Synthroid or whatever levothyroxine, whatever hormone drug that you have now been prescribed, you've got a lifelong customer. This person can't get off there. They're going to die if they can get off this therapy. So then, but I understand some people watching this they have like a thyroid condition as an example. So it's, I'm not just saying, oh look guys, you know just don't do it.
Speaker 2:That I wouldn't say this if I didn't know that there were solutions that were proven to be extremely effective at not only stopping the damage and helping to lower the TSH, the thyroid stimulating hormone and thyroid antibodies naturally but also to regenerate the thyroid gland and to allow the thyroid to produce hormones naturally and normally. If that, and because that is true and I can show that in clinical studies and I've seen that firsthand in cases that I would regard as being extremely miraculous from the point of what it appeared but it's just a it's just a scientific process and it's to do with mitochondria and but anyway I'll see where you want to go with that.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah, so I definitely want to dive into the the thyroid so that's another big one and something that my wife was dealing with and I will start with that. One thing I want mention, because you made me think of this is they're talking about the pathologist and the biopsies and the whole process, and so my mom who, you know, loves the show, and she's, you know, following a lot of protocols that we do, she's actually she was here over the weekend, a couple weeks ago for my daughter's birthday, and she did that our red our red light because we have our red light set up, she did, like, five times. She kept saying, Seth, can I go do the red light again? Like, she's she loved it. And so, anyway, that's the the different story, but she had this little, thing on her lip.
Seth Holehouse:It was, not like a cold sore, but some sort of just kinda bump that was really sore, and it was kind of hardening, and and she was concerned about because she'd had it there for, like, a couple of months, and it wasn't changing. And and so she was doing, you know, changes in her diet and different things, and, you know, she's not rushing off to big pharma. Like, she's she's very aware of this stuff. And her I think it's either I think it's her doctor she had seen recently for some sort of checkup, and he said, look, I I really think you should go see a pathologist and and maybe have this really looked at because it could be something that's that's quite bad, and she couldn't figure out how to to fix it. And so anyway, she visited us, and I sent her home with a little kind of cocktail of stuff as she always we sent her home with some masterpiece, some zeolite, with some chlorine dioxide, and I think that she she has a red light that she's also getting as well, which which, you know, which is will be good.
Seth Holehouse:So anyway, talked to her, like, four or five days later, and she was like, Seth, she goes, I don't know what it is that I I did, but she goes, this thing is going away now. Like, whatever is there. She's like, they they they she could not figure out how to how to get rid of it. It was there for months, and it was actually getting worse. And she was like, in the past three or four days, it's actually it's it's now half the size that it was, and it's actually, like, it's it's disappearing.
Seth Holehouse:And so I I think that for her, it was a combination of the red light and the chlorine dioxide, because she was actually, you know, the the red light was showing it made four or five sessions over the weekend when she was here, but I sent the chlorine dioxide with her, and I gave her the instructions. I I I said, actually, the interview that you and I did, this one right here. This was two weeks ago. It's published. Chlorine dioxide, you know, banned sensorine feared by big pharma.
Seth Holehouse:This is a great a great episode, which I'll put that link in the description for people if they wanna go watch it, but, you know, Cloronex that we, you know, we use it regularly in my household, but anyway, it's just again, if she would have missed if she would have gone to a pathologist, and she would have gone they they maybe they would have done a biopsy, maybe they would have done something else, and they they they who knows what they could diagnose it as they could have said that actually it's a tumor of some kind, it's maybe it's cancerous, or who knows what that diagnosis would have been, and it would have been, it would have pulled, it would have sucked her into that treatment, but instead, she goes and she visits her, you know, kind of wacky son who's into all kinds of alternative health stuff, and I sent her home with the the bleach that Trump tells you to drink, and it's working. Right? So she you just just from that, like, that's, like, that's exactly what we're talking about. Like, this is exactly it is that, like, you the scary part as you've mentioned is that and as those two doctors mentioned, as soon as you start going down that path, you're stuck in it.
Seth Holehouse:Like this poor woman that has breast cancer, stage zero breast cancer, it'll be really difficult to take her and and pull her into a different path than what all these doctors are telling her, which is which is basically, sorry, but you're gonna have to remove both of your breasts.
Speaker 2:Wow. And yes. Absolutely. And there are cases in which where it's even illegal for you not to do whatever you're being told to do, particularly with children. And so this makes us be vigilant with our children then do the things that we feel like we need to do now.
Speaker 2:And I'm not telling people that they shouldn't take them to the doctors and things like this. I'm just saying this comes down to everything like with diet and all with all of the things that we do. Let's get our children ahead and then what you guys did was a perfect example of something which makes you know brings me so much joy. There's two therapies that we've been talking so much about were so helpful for your mother, and and that's really touching. I just because I didn't know about that.
Speaker 2:This is the first time you told me about that. That's amazing.
Seth Holehouse:Well, and that's it. I'm sure, know, you're used to that where, you know, you have people are always reaching out to you for advice, but the other thing though is is so getting back to the whole thyroid topic is this is something that I I wasn't really aware of the role of the thyroid as much or especially how how it's kind of much more sensitive with women. And so after you, Kate, gave birth to our daughter Grace, which is a little over a year ago, a couple of few months after that, she noticed that she had some like, kind of her thyroid, you know, felt swollen or had some sort of lump on it or something, and she was concerned. And, you know, she did some research. I guess it's actually very, very common that that pregnancy the stress of the pregnancy can actually cause an overstressed thyroid, which can lead to other in in you know, kind of problems happening.
Seth Holehouse:And so she was looking at different things to do. What we talked to you, actually, is you and doctor Artis that kinda combined. We've kinda built this protocol out for her using, you know, some of doctor Artis' supplements, some some stuff from Ed Group, Global Healing, but also chlorine dioxide and red light. And so she's been doing this kind of, like, four or five month long protocol. What was interesting is that we I I got a red light for our household, one of the big, you know, big panels, and we were using it only occasionally.
Seth Holehouse:It was more like a fun thing. It was like a kind of like a gimmick. It's like, oh, red light. It's fun, and it feels good. But she actually got she got a little more serious about using it.
Seth Holehouse:It was now we use almost daily. I actually what's funny is for me is it's it's probably my wake up routine. I'm a guy that's, like, really groggy. I I almost always wake up, you know, like a probably because I, you know, fix my diet better or whatever reason, but I'm not a morning person. And so now part of my, my morning protocol is is so I wake up.
Seth Holehouse:I'm going, and I'm sitting. I'm laying on the red light, and it's like it's almost like I'm stepping under under a beach to wake up. But, anyway, so she started using the red light more often, and after that, like, within a couple of weeks, she was like, Seth, we feel this, and I felt it, and and it was noticeably smaller. Like, it had reduced. And so, again, I can't say it's a % red light because she's also been doing chlorine dioxide and selenium and a few other things as well.
Seth Holehouse:But it was, like, this again, this is another, like, kinda personal story that, like, you know, if she would have gone to a doctor, the doctor would have said, you should have a biopsy. Right? As like stage one, you should go have a biopsy, and they probably would have done this, and they probably would have recommended cutting her thyroid out. Like, actually, her own mother had her thyroid cut out because her mother had, you know, she had a growth on there. It wasn't even cancerous.
Seth Holehouse:And to cure that, they they literally just cut her thyroid. So now she's on thyroid medication, and she has all kinds of other of other issues because of the fact she doesn't have a thyroid anymore.
Speaker 2:Wow. Wow. I'm so glad you're bringing that up because it's just we can warn the future generation. They're the ones that had their whole life ahead of them and they're getting diagnosed younger and younger and all turbo cancers are getting diagnosed in children, all the thyroid conditions that are getting diagnosed in children, all the mental illness and the reasons for the depression, anxiety, all of the connection between everything including thyroid function as you know, to be on topic, she, we can warn the future generation, give them solutions, help them navigate and get out of that situation. And that's really touching any with your with Kate's story is a really beautiful one because it's just that kind of, hey, you know, feel this, look at this.
Speaker 2:People don't just do that. We're more likely to doubt the other way because it's just the gimmick kind of thing. So it's like you'd be more likely to feel it and go, it did get bigger because these weird things that were naturally all kind of, you know, feel achy today. Maybe it's because I did that that red light thing over there. I took that supplement somebody recommended.
Speaker 2:We were more likely to think poorly about that. But there were some clinical studies specifically with selenium and D3 and red light therapy. There's one group where they had that combination, the other group where it was just selenium D3, no red light therapy. And the difference was night and day. The ones that incorporated the red light therapy performed far superior but then exactly like what we are alluding to those that did red light therapy with those tools that are great for the thyroid and I would include iodine on that that bit and Doctor.
Speaker 2:David Brownstein's protocol is a
Seth Holehouse:great
Speaker 2:one for thyroid conditions but and it's practically free as well. Just you know it doesn't cost really which is great to know like maybe $6 a month or something like that in terms of to have that iodine and selenium that you need or whatever. So that is, and they did so much better when they had it in combination. So these things go so well together and it gives people hope. And so, yeah, sometimes we won't know and we know this clinical study so it shows that makes the outcome much better, but it's always giving credit to everything.
Speaker 2:Like God made our bodies, God made all of these things. Thank you God for all these great gifts. And then everything has its certain function. And here's the great one, you'll love this. You guys are gonna love this.
Speaker 2:Everything is about functionality. So if I'm removing toxins then I'm helping the thyroid because I'm removing a toxic burden that would be affecting the thyroid gland. So it's a sensitive butterfly shaped gland around here. And then when you're breathing in all these toxins and chemicals, they're affecting the thyroid. So yes, a detox method is going to be helpful to remove those things but so many people do these things and they still, their thyroid levels never regain because why that removing that didn't mean that you did something regenerative but then you come into understanding the mitochondria.
Speaker 2:And so mitochondria aren't in red blood cells and they're these tiny bean shaped organelles. Surround the nucleus of the cells. Kind of think about it, something close to the center might be important and it really is. They produce something called ATP which is adenosine triphosphate and this is how cells generate energy. So they're like the powerhouse of the cell.
Speaker 2:They're the thing that's actually making it have the energy that it needs for its functionality. So then the question is where are they in the body? The answer is well they're not in red blood cells but they are in your organ cells and they are in your brain and they are in your heart and they are in your liver. And for example, they're lesser and larger amounts in different organs. In the thyroid, you have thousands of mitochondria per thyroid cell and an estimate of millions collectively in the thyroid gland.
Speaker 2:And so then you would say, well, how do we influence the mitochondria? What do we do to fix it? And there are things that you could do from a dietary perspective but nothing interfaces with mitochondria like light, which would include sunlight, which would include a sunrise and a sunset to get more of the red rays, but even sun during the day with skin that has not maybe, you know, been heavily lathered in soap that has kind of a thick layer still separating the pores from being able to really receive that light. Sometimes it's best to think about just using water in the shower versus having to disinfect yourself because your skin has these regulatory measures to help with that and people are often over showering too. Mean, I can tend to do that myself but it's relaxing, right?
Speaker 2:But you're getting especially light therapies and that's where light emitting diodes or LED therapy. The reason why it's enhancing the benefits and why we're seeing such dramatic results in such short periods of time And I'll go between a breast cancer study that we have cited previously but very relevant to this. Why is it that with red light therapy, find the study on PubMed, it's one of the first things you put in Google if you put in breast cancer red light therapy, probably the first link depending on how your search engine is gonna do that will show you that a six sixty nanometer penetration or nanometer light was able to drop breast tumor. The breast tumor viability is a different one but this is another good one by forty percent in twenty four hours. So this is an example of why and it was specifically LED light emitting diode because it was delivering so much more power which is like taking the power of the sun and making it localized in front of you in such proximity that it could penetrate through and irradiate those cells.
Speaker 2:In this case cause what the specific finding was that it caused apoptosis of the cells. So have a look, I'll text it to you there, Seth, if you like. These are some of the things that really give hope. You could pull up the other study as well while I'm pulling up the one that I was referencing. And then come over to the thyroid, it's very similar.
Speaker 2:The mechanism is very similar. You're just interfacing with these cells, it's interesting that the thyroid has more mitochondria than other cells, but the mitochondria then receive this light and then they're able to perform functions which include, and this is a really important one, the ability to produce thyroid hormones and which include, and then cytokines as an example. And cytokines are actually, we know them negatively like the cytokine storm, cytokines are secretions from cells that are vital for actually regulating tumor activity in the body. So your body, when stimulate the mitochondria are producing, enhancing cell function in general. So just powering the cell, just going cell do whatever you do, we're just the energy, go for it.
Speaker 2:But then the mitochondria then essential also in helping the stimulation of hormones and thyroid hormones in this case for the thyroid. But this goes across the body, whatever function that particular gland is supposed to do or those cells are supposed to do, then the mitochondria will help achieve that because they're the energy, they're the driving force to achieve that outcome because they account for about 25% of the cell. So it's a large part of it, but it's the energy part of it. So without it, you can do nothing. With it, you can do everything because it can correct everything from a voltage perspective.
Speaker 2:So your body lacks energy. It lacks voltage, so you can't do anything. The one thing that you need is kind of like, the car is not working. It doesn't have fuel in it. You put fuel in it even if the car, you know, the wheels are like a bit shoddy and, the steering wheel is kind of half on.
Speaker 2:But like, well, you know, let's just say it has some safety features, but, like, let's say the vinyl and, you know, the the the the CD player doesn't work the CD player. The radio doesn't work or whatever. But it's got fuel in it, and it's driving. But the the the analogy would go the next step further, but somehow that power in the car caused the car to actually become fixed, and that's what it's actually doing. So it's like anyway, I'm getting all sci fi, but the the car then is able to become more, you know, fix itself like a transformer or something like that because it's actually causing the cells to work and do their functions.
Seth Holehouse:It's like a self healing transformer car.
Speaker 2:And so Yeah. I kinda got deep in that. I got, like, like, lost in it in this ethereal thing, and I was imagining this car. It was very ethereal for me. It's crazy.
Seth Holehouse:It's a it's a lot of methylene blue. It's it's turning your walls blue even. So so, basically, like so so what it what's interesting is that as I've studied a lot of these different topics and different ailments and and and treatments that, you know, whether it's thyroid, you know, breast tumors, you know, skin, right, you know, lip, etcetera, that it seems like there's a there's a few things that work really effectively. You know, chlorine dioxide. Right?
Seth Holehouse:NASA, of course, hasn't you know, we we discussed in in our interview. It called the universal antidote. That's a big one. Obviously, you know, there's a the grounding. Like, actually, we we just, it's out in my mailbox or my my mailbox thingy thing is that we got, grounding mats for our bed.
Seth Holehouse:So I just ordered, you know, for our our office, you know, where we do our work. I got, you know, for our chairs. And actually, it's from doctor Ealy. Right? It was his recommendation.
Seth Holehouse:I was like, hey, you know, was messaging him on Twitter. We where do where do you recommend for this? We got the grounding stuff. That's that's a big part of it. But again, it seems like that I'm I'm consistently seeing red light, chlorine dioxide, methylene blue.
Seth Holehouse:There's a few things that you're seeing consistently, and so what's also interesting though is that with red light, it's one of these things that because it's so simple, it's it it almost unless you've looked in the studies or you've used it, it's hard to imagine how that would fix you because it almost sounds new agey. Right? Because we're so used to, okay, well, how do you how do you fix yourself? Well, you take a bunch of pills, you cut things out, like, you you take steroids, take some injections, like, that's how we look at health. So the idea that you could just shine some light on your body, it's almost like it's too good to be true.
Seth Holehouse:Now, obviously, you know, we've talked about this a lot. We use red light, you know, obviously, and we've, you know, experienced it. And so it's like, no. This is actually like, this this stuff is legit, but it just seems so strange for for a lot of people that are newcomers to this. It's like, why am having this red light stuff?
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Speaker 2:Oh, yeah. Exactly. It it's just because we don't know what we are. We don't even know what we are. That's the problem.
Speaker 2:We don't know how we are. We're everything of what we are is all connected to frequencies and vibration and light and absorption of light. And we have an intricate relationship. Even plants have mitochondria and they undergo these processes of photosynthesis. And so it's just that we've even lost track of the fact that we're connected to all other living organisms and we'll watch it in plants and say, they need light and this is what it does for them.
Speaker 2:And we watch it do all these amazing regenerative things and where they grow things and then we just say, oh, you know, light couldn't help me even though you just watch it with a plant. There's so much disassociation, disconnection. We don't know what we are. We don't know how we are actually. Of all things in the world, there is nothing that receives light better and more prolifically than a human being.
Speaker 2:And so Everything about you is structured for the reception of light.
Seth Holehouse:I wanna take a look, because I know you've got a presentation you'd sent me, that kind of is walking through a little more in detail about thyroid, but also some other broader implications of this. So let's just take a look at this, and and you can tell me what slides to go to because I found it to be very helpful, as I was just looking through and how you presented it here. But just, yeah, walk us through a little bit, and also, I'm not sure if you have any slides in here that talk about, different wavelengths, how many nanometers, and what the what specific things treat. Is it it's just it's just very interesting information. It's it's so relevant to this discussion.
Speaker 2:Awesome. Exactly. Because you love to give specifics, right? And so that people can know everyone here is wanting to say, then what do I do if it's breast cancer? What do I do?
Speaker 2:And obviously, we got to be careful there. We're giving information education. We owe it to you to share with you specifics here. So you know with the prevalence of thyroid conditions and you could you know see here on that slide some of the triggers of what's actually causing this and things that you would assume like autoimmunity and environmental toxins, gut health being influential, really a lot of it's happening within the gut and so clearing the gut and inflammatory foods that are driving that and people are eating like everyone with thyroid conditions probably knows that gluten free is the way or like gluten free in the sense that it's if you're eating gluten, it's from ancient grains that have never been adulterated. But these are the types of things that you start getting more into to understand.
Speaker 2:But looking at some of the studies that have been really, know, blockbuster, have a look at say slide, we'll have a look at slide 29 there. And this was using eight fifty nanometer line. So this study explored the effects. Okay keep going. Let's see.
Speaker 2:Going.
Seth Holehouse:Sorry it's not showing me that the page numbers on my
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, no worries. Keep going.
Seth Holehouse:One more. Oh here we go. Oh here we go. So it's 29. There we go.
Speaker 2:Oh, nice. Yeah. Great. We're we got it. So, like, this study explored the effects of photobiomodulation, which is photo light, bio life modulation to change.
Speaker 2:So changing the process of life through light. So that word should even just give you an understanding that light is, it shifts outcomes that happens to be outcomes that you want to have shifted like thyroid function or anything else. So on thyroid function, photobiomodulation using a 50 nanometer light was tested. So that's near infrared. So it's not even visible.
Speaker 2:So you're seeing red and I'm saying, yeah, you can have that thing turned on and you cannot even see anything which gives you, it has to give you even deeper layers of faith in what you're reading here. Was tested on thyroid cells in a lab and in mice. The research found that photobiomechanism PBM could help thyroid cells recover from damage caused by radiation. It did this by regulating key molecules and hormones involved in thyroid function. And so it goes in more detail there.
Seth Holehouse:It's on earth
Speaker 2:and the
Seth Holehouse:Sorry about that. Go ahead. Continue. Which page should I jump to?
Speaker 2:Oh, cool. No worries. So this and then the last part, PBM also helped restore cell growth and activity in thyroid cells after they were harmed by radiation. So even after undergoing a harmful therapy, like you mentioned, your wife's mother. So this is very hopeful for people, let alone people that haven't gone there.
Speaker 2:The results suggest that PBM could be a useful treatment for thyroid problems like hypothyroidism caused by radiation offering a new potential clinical application. And whether that was caused by radiation or not, the mechanism is still the same because you're powering the mitochondria and that's giving you what you need to deal with that problem. Okay, so let's look at here. I like some of these studies here. Let's have a look at slide 33.
Speaker 2:A red line for Hashimoto's, which is the most common thyroid. It will it would be hypoactive, hypoactive, so underactive thyroid be most common and then Hashimoto's being the most common acute form of hypo underactive thyroid function. So which would cause weight gain. So anyone that's struggling with weight, you should assess that the thyroid could be the problem. But now the problem is with that, that you may have been told your thyroid is normal but the tests are not good.
Speaker 2:And so hence why people like Doctor. David Brownstein have developed new tests so that it's more conclusive because you're getting information that makes you think it's not a problem where it may be the real reason why you can't get rid of the weight and, you know, and then what's the health outcomes like? So now you don't need Ozempic, not that you should do that in any case, but you then can like lose weight and you're gonna be much healthier as a result as just one of the downstream effects an underactive thyroid. So this study looked at how PBM combined with standard treatment could help people with Hashimoto's thyroiditis and autoimmune disease that often causes hypothyroidism. Normally people with HT take levothyroxine to replace the thyroid hormone they lack but many still experience symptoms even if their thyroid levels are normal.
Speaker 2:The study aimed to see whether adding PBM therapy could help improve thyroid function and related health issues. Seventy four women with HT were divided into two groups. One group received PBM therapy along with their regular treatment and the other group only received regular treatment. PBM therapy involved applying light at specific wavelength twice a week for three weeks. So this is only three weeks and twice a week means they did only six sessions.
Speaker 2:And this is very similar to what your mom said. She did five sessions of visit within a week, which arguably would accelerate the result. After three and six months, the group, which is terrible, like when you think about this study, like who in their right mind designed this study? So then they give up after three weeks and now they test them three months later. And even still with such poor parameters, I would have them on it all the way up through three and six months but after three and six months the group that received PBM therapy showed better results.
Speaker 2:They had lower levels of thyroid stimulating hormone, thyroid antibodies and needed less LT4. They also saw improvements in body measurements. Look at this like body mass index or losing weight, hip waist hip ratio and hip waist circumference. The study suggests that PBM therapy when combined with standard treatment may well and let's debate that but may offer additional benefits for people with HT helping improve both thyroid function and overall health. By the way, would say you do need to stay on the medication until you can find signs that you can get off it or have a clear pathway there.
Speaker 2:But what a study, right?
Seth Holehouse:Oh, absolutely. Well, here's another one right here looking at the thyroid Awesome.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you want to read it?
Seth Holehouse:Yeah. Just saying that, there's this study explored using, you know, PDT, right? So red light therapy, as a potential treatment. It found that one, the study found that one version of the compound, SIPC one performed best in during a singlet oxygen, a reactive molecule that can kill cancer cells. So, you know, you can probably interpret this much better than I can, but basically saying, making it the most prominent, you know, promising candidate for treating thyroid cancer with PDT.
Speaker 2:Isn't that amazing? I love this. And so, no, I mean, you did a good job and we're all digging through this data. Like this was new to me at a certain point. And this morning, it consisted of me and you know, another doctor getting in an elevator with another doctor on the line that has a lymphatic cancer that this doctor was asking for my help and understanding what to do.
Speaker 2:And it's an example of the fact that we're all learning like you and what you know right now, Seth could actually just stand there and educate a bunch of doctors that don't know these studies because you just, we're all circulators of information and the better we are able to do that, you understand facts super well and you're able to cross reference and that, yeah, that's why people love you and follow you because you've got a great mind for it. So everyone should really understand the power that they have in relaying this information. We all owe it to ourselves and others to do that. So what this means here with this cancer study was showing and which slide was that again?
Seth Holehouse:That was slide 51.
Speaker 2:50 one, look at it. Did like you've mastered my own slides and you're telling me where I need to go, right? So PDT is photodynamic therapy. So some people know because I've seen some of education on this. This is where they're adding a photosensitive component that helps activate the red light or the near infrared light or other light like blue light for example activating it inside of the cells including the tumor cells.
Speaker 2:And in this case they're using this Iodomethane, choline and the phytalocyanin. So they're not necessarily common photosensitizers. The ones that are very common would be methylene blue and curcumin berberine, aminoluvalinic acid or five aminoluvalinic acid or the methyl form. But this study used this one which means that it proved to be effective and then there's others that will arguably be extremely effective and maybe methylene blue would perform just as well or better or not as well as this, which would be great to see studies side by side with people using the photosensitizing agents against each other to see which one outperforms. But the study found that one version of the compound which was the SiPC1 performed best in generating singlet oxygen.
Speaker 2:So singlet oxygen is so powerful that you could shoot a missile out of the air with it. It's been used in military settings. And so when you create through chemical compounds, you can create singlet oxygen but your body naturally produces it when stimulated by light therapies it's naturally fluorescent. So you would see all these amazing fluorescent things going on inside your body, very powerful and arguably actually much, much, much, much more powerful than chemo and yet selective for damaged cells. As with the breast cancer, same studies and there's great studies on methylene blue in cancer that we could quickly cite but that's the mechanism.
Speaker 2:And so then that's causing apoptosis programmed cell death. And it's the same way that somebody with like what's happening with the mitochondria is you have these diseased and damaged mitochondria inside the cells that need to be undergoing the apoptosis as well and the autophagy so that they get cleared out and pave the way for new healthy mitochondria. So your body is always replacing itself even within the cells and Tesla talked about worlds within worlds and we're seeing that inside of the cells but we're replacing, rejuvenating, making things new. And I think that that's a really cool biblical principle as well to make things new. If any man is in Christ, he's a new creation.
Speaker 2:Behold, all things have passed away. All things have become new. The concept of newness is is a is a is a beautiful theme. Behold the new heaven and new earth. And so how do we, you know, clear out the damaged?
Speaker 2:And they're actually referred to as senescent and the colloquial term is zombie cells. So it's like a cell that's not dying, but it but it's still draining the energy of the body. These processes are clearing them out and giving way to new healthy cells.
Seth Holehouse:So I want you to walk us through the wavelengths, because, again, this is something that I mentioned earlier how you tell people, oh, you can use light to heal you, and it already seems like such a foreign concept, but then you'll hear people talking about, oh, you hit it with six sixty nanometers or eight ten or, oh, that's ten sixty, so I wanna walk through just the wavelengths, and then you you got a handful of slides that kinda talk about what, you know, the they they do, specifically. So walk us through what what are these what are these wavelengths mean?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So it's think about it like an archer. And an archer what makes an archer good typically is that they or or dart thrower is that they could aim at a target and get it. And so different different to like just like a long long distance javelin throw where he's just throwing as far as he can get, but he's gotta go in the general direction. Otherwise, he won't be able to get it far enough because he's gonna go you know, it's gonna not go as far.
Speaker 2:But so it's like a it's like an archer hitting its target. And so the because most people think that more is better and it can be but in the case of all these different wavelengths that they're landing in different spots in the body. And so four eighty is the proven wavelength for neonatal care babies in the womb, not exclusively but it's one that has been proven. I would argue that all the wavelengths are good for neonatal care but particularly proven for skin rejuvenation and acne and skin bacteria. So nothing would be better than that wavelength for that.
Speaker 2:Why? Because it's hitting through the epidermis to the dermis and it lands there and that's it, that's its target, bam. So then all that light, why it's going consistently there, is it's like hovering in and hitting that section and going through deeper than just hitting the surface, it's going all within that layer. And all of that frequency is generating in this case, the oxygen within the cells, the reactive oxygen species, that all of that's happening within the cells, the rejuvenation, the stem cell proliferation, it's happening at that layer whereas at six thirty, now you're at red and six six sixty you're at red, visible red and it's crossing over from the 500s to the 600s to becoming orange to the red. And then it's getting through to the dermis and getting close to the subcutaneous tissue at that point and now and hence why the wavelength for the breast cancer was specifically at six sixty which is super interesting considering they tested six thirty, six 15, six 60 and seven 30.
Speaker 2:So there was such a minute difference there. And you could argue that what would happen is if you got a, like, a chicken bulb from Amazon for $10, then look. If that's what people can do, I actually would recommend it even though even though people need to know the difference because the difference is that even though you get a full spectrum, so you would get that, the irradiance may be about 20 times less than what you'd get out of an LED. And you could test this with a radiance meter, I wanna say somewhere between 10 to 20 times. And hopefully it's just 10 times and it'd be great if it was less than that because I would want people to be able to access these therapies.
Speaker 2:But even with it being that much less, it would still be helpful and it'd still be very therapeutic. And so I'm saying that that is an option for people and it's very similar to what Kellogg developed back in like 1905 with light therapeutics. It's basically the same thing and that's basically what the Nobel Prize was won for back in 1903 by Niels Vinson for light therapies to reverse disease. That being said, when you're dealing with now 10 to 20 times the amount of irradiance out of a light emitting diode, LED that is, it's taking 90% of that power from that LED and it's forcing it to visible and invisible light whereas with a bulb, any of the bulbs from like incandescent or halogen, about 90% is going into the heat. So your body's now going to use that to raise its core body temperature but it's missing the mitochondria.
Speaker 2:It's received by the water whereas LEDs with the light therapies that's received by the mitochondria primarily because it's all going into the light or 90% of it. So anyway, so then you've got all these different wavelengths. From six, because wavelength and irradiance are two things side by side because if you've got the wavelength but you don't have the amount of penetration then it doesn't like, it's not really getting you where you wanna get to. If you've got the depth of penetrate or you've got the radiance, the amount of power, but you don't have the right wavelength for what you're dealing with, then you'll miss the target as well. So hence why actually having broad spectrum devices that have multiple wavelengths, this is a great case for it.
Speaker 2:And not to say that devices that only have two or three wavelengths aren't useful, they are. This is something that I really have seen the studies to validate heavily. So eight ten, eight 50, it's all shooting through the subcutaneous tissue, muscle bone, interior tissue. And, so right through the bones, literally through the entire bone and, through eight ten and these are near infrared. You can't see them.
Speaker 2:We illustrated them visually with red, but it's not. You can't see it. But it is in the red spectrum. So it is red, but you just can't see it. So I'm just kind of saying with the unaided eye.
Speaker 2:But then ten sixty would be the highest level of the optical window. So if I said, oh, look, here's we got one at 1,300, 14 hundred, that would go go into mid infrared, and it's no longer benefiting the mitochondria in the same way that I've been speaking of. So pretty pretty interesting. Right?
Seth Holehouse:It makes sense. And so walk us through, because this is also interesting how different wavelengths have different effects, and we've got maybe like what, six or so, eight slides that walk us through this journey, so
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'll go quick through
Seth Holehouse:that. Yeah, just just kind of navigate
Speaker 2:Weight loss, fat burning, cellular reduction, metabolism, why thyroid function, why edema, water retention? There's many different reasons all related to toxicity that are causing those issues. Light therapies are getting to the root of that. So they're actually not dealing with like say liposuction even though it's being used instead of liposuction and there's cases where it's outperforming liposuction but it's dealing with the root that's causing those issues therefore it's helping to reverse them even though it you know they're typically understood as aesthetic. So 630, 6 60, 8 10, 8 50, they are some of the wavelengths not exclusively but they're the ones most proven from our research.
Speaker 2:And then next one, anti aging, acne scars, rosacea. So they're all scoring in those wavelengths, red and near infrared, six thirty up to eight fifty. So again, all in clinical studies, so you just put in those keywords and those wavelengths into Google, you'll find the clinical studies yourself. Acne, go ahead. And then hair growth particularly is proven at the six sixty.
Speaker 2:So it's a bit of a star. So it is certainly one of my favorites but then again there's some that are also just you know, there are some things that maybe it won't do. Certainly the near infrared, It there's certain things that are deeper that it will not help with. So sun damage, wrinkles, fine lines. So you can actually you know help reverse some of the damage from the sun or a lot of it arguably maybe all of it but studies are there for that and the wrinkles and fine lines.
Speaker 2:Some of this has to do with face mapping, so droopy eyelids, under eye circles, broken capillaries. All of these can be to do with face mapping because you have a lot of, you know, again, as many as even three or even 5,000 mitochondria in every liver cell which is amazing. And so what happens when you clear the liver up then you start losing wrinkles on your face and you'd say what, that's weird. And it's all because those organs are connected to your face. And so you are kind of wearing what your organs are dealing with on your face in a way.
Speaker 2:And so there's many reasons but there are cases where people are just using face masks. They're achieving a lot of these results. Perhaps what's happening as well, the face is a signaling and even the face mask may be helping people with their other organ function. I don't know that for a fact, but I suspect because it's a doorway. It's the same way that the light that's going into your eyes helps brain function because you can get into the tens of thousands of mitochondria in some of the brain cells, select brain cells.
Speaker 2:And so there's a reason why I think that God put our eyes there because it was helping with the reception of light into the eyes, in the parts of the brain that need that light. Anyway pretty cool right?
Seth Holehouse:Incredible, incredible.
Speaker 2:Yeah and what else we got? Pain relief, wound healing, injury healing. So which is great again it's downstream and upstream because it's dealing with like pain relief can be like a inflammatory response but inflammation is actually good and people think of it as bad but it's good but it's just when it's out of control, it's bad but you got to look at what's causing it but also help quiet down that inflammation. So it will work on both of those help cause you to deal with the root of what's happening but also help with the inflammatory response and ease the burden at that at where it's coming from. Then wound healing, injury healing or scoring from six thirty up to in this case nine eighty and then muscle building, athletic performance, post recovery, workout, mental stamina, cognitive performance.
Speaker 2:But you can see for yourself where things are scoring and muscle building atrophy of the muscles like you might not think I'm a bodybuilder. You don't need to think that you need muscles, you need everything and hence why it's really important to then see yourself as a whole brittle bones. It could be the end of us all. So strengthening the bones and it's surprising to that something like this could strengthen the bones. And of course, what am I saying?
Speaker 2:Combine it with healthy diet. What's a healthy diet? I'll let you be the judge but part of you knows and there's an inner intuition and there's research that you could do in that to make sure that you're following what is being proven over the thousands of years to be effective when it comes to diet. But mental stamina, cognitive performance and even in the ten sixty seven as you'll see which is really interesting. Go ahead next one and I think you'll see some depression anxiety which and the mental stamina is again performing at the ten sixty but again you can see all this even there was a study on some people watching this going wow that's me everyone's kind of thinking of that so don't make me read out every 75,000 different diagnosis Otherwise, there will be no end to this.
Speaker 2:And Seth and I will, our families will be destroyed because we will just be on here until we could do no further. And anyway, I'm just exaggerating now. Tinnitus studies were profound because they found that it could relieve tinnitus completely in some cases. So complete remission and it was effective for three months. And it was like that study that we looked at where they got them on it for three weeks and then three months later they're like, okay, let's see how your thyroid's doing.
Speaker 2:And even though it was so long ago and it still worked. In this case, the three months, the reason why it's lasting for a certain period is you're not supposed to just stop. There's a reason why there's a sunrise and a sunset every day. You're supposed to be exposed to it. Look at biology to work out what you should be doing.
Speaker 2:So arthritis, multiple sclerosis, I think that's one more and that's kind of like some of the big hitters there. Stem cell regeneration, who could forget that because that's kind of where it all comes down to. Parkinson's disease, hypertension, liver function which we've speaking of. And then one more maybe. No this, oh yeah so fertility like if that the fertility studies are mind blowing man and this is something that like people watching this, it depends what age you are and maybe you wanna have children, maybe you're past that age.
Speaker 2:Think about your children and grandchildren. If I cited to you these studies, you'd make you you'd hardly believe them when it comes to fertility and and especially even in men with sperm and mobility. And it gives so much hope. Practically gave all those people in that study hope even in the short period of time that they could have a correction of their condition which was the case of infertility. So it was men that were infertile.
Speaker 2:So amazing, right? Herpes, cold sores, general and other simplexes but imagine being a baby that you out that your your dad watched a podcast, and and you realize that you were born because of Seth.
Seth Holehouse:Well, if if there's any announcements that come out in the next year or so, from Kate and I, then I'll I'll say, well, maybe it was maybe it was Jonathan's red light that we have to we have to blame for this one. Also, I'll I'll expect some sort of child support from you. Yeah. So because, you know, you've you've got some sort of role in that. So, Jonathan, as we're as we're wrapping up, we we hit a lot of things.
Seth Holehouse:Again, it's about exposing the lies, you know, bringing the truth, giving solutions. Chlorine dioxide, obviously, we we hit on that one Hugely important. I'll put the link to our last interview on that because that one you know, we we we did a whole show on chlorine dioxide. It's cheap as anything you can buy on Amazon. Highly recommend that for people.
Seth Holehouse:Again, I'm not a doctor. Do your own research. Yeah. You know, disclaimer there. I've also I've got some interviews with, doctor Macus.
Seth Holehouse:People should be looking at talking about fambindazole, ivermectin. Again, very potent healing, you know, healing solutions, you know, red light. So I know we've got you you've got your page, you know, you obviously are an expert on red light. So we've got your page, myredlight.com is your page. So if someone is interested in in red light, whether it's for hair or anything that, you know, any of the, you know, the 500 things we just talked about, walk people through the process of what they're gonna find at myredlight.com.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Absolutely. So so and I and I'm so glad you highlighted all those different solutions, and man, like, this is why people that watch this show are going to be the ones that get, like a lot of the really direct, hey, look, here's the things to do. That there's great tools and protocols and I'm glad you're giving those solutions. And by the way, and we'll do another session, this will be a cliffhanger, but combining parasite protocols with red light therapy, once you realize how important that is, you never want to do a parasite cleanse without red light therapy.
Speaker 2:It just
Seth Holehouse:amplifies the You should do that. Yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And I'm surprised no one's talking about it. There is so many studies. It's its own category of photodynamic therapy and so effective. I'm talking about one hundred percent remission cases in days in some cases.
Speaker 2:I'm not talking about all parasites in all people in all situations, but particular studies that show a hundred percent remission in a matter of days with a combination of antiparasitics and red light. But anyway, all that to say that then this is one way you do need to get a tool. And so then you get into shop for what's gonna meet their requirements and we're here to educate. And so hence why I even gave examples of where people can get things for pennies if that's all they had in their budget and this would help you. Right?
Speaker 2:And then why would you go the next step? It's because your body deserves the best and some of these things they need these LEDs. Like I've not seen, like every study that you look at, all the ones that we went through, they were all light emitting diodes, LEDs, right? So then this means that you then need to look at that and see how you could implement that and get a device that would help you. And so then you need to look for the criteria like what's gonna, what am I looking for?
Speaker 2:And so the first thing is irradiance, how much power is delivered? The next thing is wavelength. So if conversation was purely on wavelengths then you would miss the mark still because if you had a lot of wavelengths but no power, what's the point? You just you know kind of tickled the body, get like given a little feather scratch, but you want but you want to be able to give the the right amount of power to do what you're trying to do. In this case you're you're feeding the mitochondria, you're you're causing apoptosis of unhealthy cancer cells.
Speaker 2:So what the number to look for generally I'll
Seth Holehouse:tell you something just in my experience
Speaker 2:with that is
Seth Holehouse:when when I'm using my red light, like, so I've got the 1,500 watt panel, I think. Like, it it's not, you know, we're used to LEDs, and a lot there's a lot of bad LEDs. That's one thing is you know, some building that all LEDs are bad. It's not the case. That's that's why, you know, stuff that's gonna be, you know, kinda nuking you with radiation and and EMFs and stuff, it's also better quality, which is obviously what you're you're focused on.
Seth Holehouse:But in terms of that radiance that when I'm laying on our our kind of bed that we have set up for the red light, and if when I close my eyes, I it feels like I'm I'm sitting on a beach in The Caribbean. Like, that's the feeling. Like, that's the brightness. Like, it's hard to describe unless you actually use one of these machines that if you imagine you literally say you're on an island, and the sun's overhead, it's not the not the same thing, like, where, you know, you feel as if your skin's being cooked, because sometimes, like, that's how that's how you feel in the sun. It's like, know, especially during a high, you know, high sun, noon or so.
Seth Holehouse:It's it's too hot. You can feel it being burning. It's not that. It's the warmth. And so when your eyes are closed, it's almost like it's it's pure white is what's coming into your body.
Seth Holehouse:It's almost like you you feel like you're underneath the brightest sun, but you can feel the warmth. It's not hot. It doesn't burn, but it's it's a radiance. I guess that's best way to describe it is that you you just you feel this warmth, and and it makes you really relaxed. And that's why I said every morning now, I'll do it.
Seth Holehouse:So kind of our protocol is that, okay, Grace usually wakes up at 06:30 or 7AM. First thing she wants to do is feed. Right? Of course, she's a one year old baby. Kate's still nursing.
Seth Holehouse:So I'll go get Grace. I'll bring her in. Like, okay. Here here's here's the baby for you, Kate. Kate sits in bed, she nurses Grace.
Seth Holehouse:I go I go straight to the red light therapy. So I lay down there. I'm I'm getting the red light. And then what know, a lot of times what Kate will do is she'll bring Grace over to me. Grace loves the red light.
Seth Holehouse:So she'll crawl around, and she'll climb on you know, climb, and she'll smack it and stuff, and she loves being over there with me. And then once I finish my session, then Kate will hop in, but it's it's the best way to start the day. It's like, know, the feeling of, like, laying in the sun. It's this beautiful feeling of basking in the sun. That's what it's like every morning now for me.
Seth Holehouse:It's like, doesn't matter if it's dead or winter. It's, like, pitch black outside. It's 10 degrees outside. It doesn't matter. It's just this feeling of literally, like, starting your day like that.
Seth Holehouse:And I will go from being, like, you know, beyond all the health benefits. Okay? If I even if I was just using it for, like, my wake up routine, it's worth it for me. Because I'll go from being, you know, one eye half closed, the other one's kind of, like, twitching, and I can't see straight, and gosh, is it morning already? I'll go from that to feeling like I just I just walked in for like a run-in the sun.
Seth Holehouse:Like, it's just don't know. It's it's pretty amazing. So when you mentioned biomodulation, like, absolutely I I I agree with that so much.
Speaker 2:Oh wow. No. Great. Sorry radiance. Exactly.
Speaker 2:Yes. But still photo photo biomodulation very relevant because it's changing the process of life through light and you notice that you see a case something shifting. You didn't see like you know, I rewound the dementia but you did see like I wasn't functioning great and I just got like something just switched on and you just, you know, you're switching on processes and you're feeling it and it's great because you gotta be able to measure results because a lot of people just give up. After our conversation still the motivation for you to actually even sit in front of it took time and it had to absorb into your head to understand this is what's happening. And then you had to measure the results in your body.
Speaker 2:Not everyone's gonna feel amazing things right away but you understand the science, you can't afford not to do it. If you understand that you wanna live a great life then it's really the necessary thing. But, and then again, to your point with the irradiance that summarizes it really well. And you helped me even think about it in a way that's really really great way to think about it. But it's an abnormal amount of light because of the amount of power.
Speaker 2:So you're looking for it. So to summarize that point that I was making that you're looking for something that delivers enough power, but not even just enough, like the highest level. And so that's why I say it's worth shopping for a device that has the highest proven irradiance. And in this case of what we've done is it's over two zero five milliwatts per centimeter scale centimeter squared at three inches. And so what we found as well, because we've even done testing with clinics that have $100,000 beds, they're often performing under 100 milliwatts per centimeter squared.
Speaker 2:So it is a high level of irradiance. Sometimes they're not extremely therapeutic. They work enough, but yeah, the technology is just updated and so that's a thing to look for. What we did as well is we put nine different wavelengths into our devices. In this case it was four eighty, five 90, six 30, six 60, six 70, eight 10, eight 30, eight 50 and 10 60.
Speaker 2:So we've got all those different wavelengths, and so you're able to interface with the body.
Seth Holehouse:So there's actually there's a good picture right there. Like this is this is kind of what it what it's like, showing, for people that aren't familiar with it, and so actually that that that's the exact unit that we have right there. That's the exact same thing that we use. And so, so so so you walk us through, because I know that you have different packages, going from, you know, really, really high end comprehensive to e even a couple hundred bucks. Right?
Seth Holehouse:So that's that's the beautiful thing about this is that, for one, you buy it once, you use it for the next sixty years. I mean, these things have what? Like, thousand hours in them or something? Like, kind of ridiculous.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Close to that. Exactly. Yeah. Rated lifespan hours, it works out as, you know, a couple hundred years.
Speaker 2:And yeah, it can vary between that 50 to a hundred thousand mark, but it's a comparison of a couple hundred, a hundred or 200. So it's really, and that's even with multiple people in the family using it. But you've got different panels to just basically work out, okay, well, how do I want this to cover my body and according to your budget? And then even down to hats
Seth Holehouse:and- masks.
Speaker 2:Masks, etcetera. To conclude the point on the panels, you're getting the wavelength we've talked about. Oh yeah, exactly. Sorry.
Seth Holehouse:I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:Yeah, reference to the panels you're getting each of the wavelengths that we've talked about. And we also talked about like photosensitive components and antiparasitics. And we've actually bundled all that in so people have the ability to activate that and use those tools, which is really, really awesome. And so this gives people the ability to and use programs that are so effective and so helpful. And again, you've got some packages there that have a stand included and then come down.
Speaker 2:And again a very popular program there with the full body stand again. And then you actually have it fully customizable with an LED touchscreen panel so you're able to like control which wavelengths And then you've also got dual LEDs here. So each LED has two different frequencies starting out of the same LED. So in the case of the Aural Pro 300 Max that has got two eighty eight LEDs, but when it's Is that helpful video Yeah, that's helpful. You see, yeah, you get to see it real time.
Speaker 2:It's five seventy six LEDs because it's dual and so you've got two different frequencies coming out of the same LED at the same time. So, and yeah, it's just, these are the therapies that will last a long time. And I've always encouraged people to realize that what you're looking at there is what ends up being cheaper than the cheapest supplement because that supplement needs to be reordered for the rest of your life or even for the next year or two. But in this case, is something that it's a one and done and it lasts you for the lifetime and it lasts your whole family. So like cost effective wise, it ends up outperforming everything.
Speaker 2:And then there's no even, yeah, I just on with Doctor. Jill Carnahan, she's a breast cancer survivor. She just had me take her podcast today. So people would be able to that if they wanna look at it. But she mentioned that everything, she's a big believer in supplements, she's done supplements for a long time.
Speaker 2:She says, and I've got a supplement company, we even bundle supplements in because I believe that they need to be combined with the light therapies. But she said nothing has performed like the light therapies. There's no comparison. Like it outperforms everything. And then she said the only thing that would be like on par would be exercise.
Speaker 2:So, maybe above, right? So exercise, we got to tell people that exercise. So let's say it's just, you know, exercise is more important than anything else because you don't use it, you lose it. And that's the biggest kind of connection to dementia would be the lack of exercise is the biggest cause of it. Yeah, so you got to see that real time with LED.
Speaker 2:It's a very high quality device and we've done everything we can and make that the best thing ever and all the research and standing by that with a three year warranty and a sixty day money back guarantee. And so that people are aware as well because we are such we're so high in demand. We be aware. Like, look be be understanding that on the page, you can just see like how long to expect and that updates as well. So just how long to expect, but remember when you do that, you're getting, you your place in the front of the queue.
Speaker 2:And so be patient but it's worth it because it, you know, once you get that device and there are what we do as well with some of the bundles, we often send out parts of it first so you get your belt first if you're waiting for your panel or a bit and we're in communication every week on it, touching base with you, making sure that you understand everything that's happening. But like it's one of those things where it allows you then to secure something, get in front of the queue and there's so many custom aspects of what we're doing like testing every device by hand for its irradiance to make sure everything is the way it needs to be. So, there's reasons why get in the front of the queue and it's worth it. Everyone that waits those several weeks in this case right now because of the huge demand, which is a good thing, but they're all just so glad they did, right? So anyway, just just keep making that clear, because I like to be like fully upfront and want to take
Seth Holehouse:No, it's important. Yeah. So just just to highlight again, it's, a lot of these are there are six to eight week delivery time. So just know that upfront. It's worth it.
Seth Holehouse:It's worth the wait. You know, ours took a little some time to get there. But it's yeah. It's obviously because there's just such demand, which is saying and it's just exploding. So, anyway, so the website for this is myredlife or sorry, myredlight.com.
Seth Holehouse:I'll put that in the in the show description. And, also, we we've got a special discount for the Man in America audience. So promo code Seth, s e t h, will get an additional discount on there. So again, that's s e t h to, you know, again, because, you know, these they're not cheap. Right?
Seth Holehouse:It's it's an investment, but it's, you know, in my opinion for, like, my family looking at what Kate was done for Kate, was done for my mom, what does for my mornings, it's like, okay, I'm loving it. It's worth every penny. So Jonathan, gosh, these shows are so much fun, and I thought we could just go on for hours and hours, but I I know that you're a busy man, and and I've got family to attend to. So thank you again for for coming on. Thank you for doing what you're doing.
Seth Holehouse:I know that the red light is only such a small portion of what you're doing. You know, you're in, you know, cancer documentaries, and, you know, I think you've got a book coming out soon, which we will do a show on that once that's ready. There's so much that you're doing, to get this information out to people, and I I thank you for that, because I'm sure that you've, you know, you've reached millions of people with your work, which is so important because there's a lot of people like that poor woman we talked about at beginning of the show. They're just going to the doctor, and they're saying, hey, just chop everything off. And, there's there's solutions that we don't have to get to that place.
Seth Holehouse:So, thank you for for doing what you're doing, man.
Speaker 2:Appreciate it so much. Thanks. Thank you, Seth. You're doing a great work getting this to add to people. Like, you've you've attached onto this more than most of the people I've seen in the medical, and I'm not talking about, the people in the system.
Speaker 2:I'm talking about the holistic guys that I love and trust and respect. You've attached on the key aspects of this more than I've seen most people like by far. And so your ability to understand what are the key things and that intuition, your ability to like put that together and deliver that to your audience is deeply moving to me because, you know, like Ed and I would just, you know, talked about the two, you know, Doctor. Ed group, the two therapies that we, one of them, we, again, we'll say that for another show, but even the chlorine dioxide, we felt that that one of the things that we would if our life would be well well lived, if we could just get people to know about chlorine dioxide, it would save more lives than anything else. And and I feel the same way about red light therapy.
Speaker 2:I feel the same way about, you know, the antiparasitics. And these are the these are the tools that you're you're helping to educate people on, and it's super moving to see you do it. And think keep doing it, Never give up because it's changing people's lives, and you will see the legacy of that and your children and their children, like depending on how world how how long we go here. But I I and I believe that, you know, Jesus will come back, and I believe in that. But depending on how the future unfolds, that legacy that you're you're you're paving is is one that is gonna make a difference for for everyone for a long time.
Seth Holehouse:I couldn't agree more, man. Well, thank you so much. Take care, and God bless, Thanks, man. Numbers don't lie. The impact that Balance of Nature makes every single day is astounding.
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