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You've heard the book publishing podcasts that give you tips for selling a lot of books and the ones that only interview world-famous authors. Now it's time for a book publishing show that reveals what actually goes on behind the cover.
Hosted by New York Times bestselling author Anna David, Behind the Book Cover features interviews with traditionally published authors, independently published entrepreneurs who have used their books too seven figures to their bottom line to build their businesses and more.
Anna David has had books published by HarperCollins and Simon & Schuster and is the founder of Legacy Launch Pad, David is the founder of Legacy Launch Pad Publishing, a boutique, founder-led hybrid book publisher that helps entrepreneurs turn expertise into authority-building books. In other words, she knows both sides—and isn't afraid to share it.
Come find out what traditional publishers don't want you to know.
Speaker 1 00:01
Welcome to the show where writers fill the tea process and their therapy. We'll talk about the money.
Speaker 2 00:15
Hi there. Welcome to Behind the book cover, hosted by me Anna David, today, I am thrilled to present you with somebody whose book. I had a front row seat seeing how this book transformed her life. Her name is Bonnie haby, and she's a seasoned Marketing and Communications leader with more than 20 years as a chief marketing officer, but what I got to see her do was write and launch a book called The World According to Bess, which was all about the wisdom from her beloved mother, who we were able to release this book on her mother's 91st birthday. And since the book, I have seen Bonnie do a keynote for TEDx, which has hundreds of 1000s of views launch a podcast called this is how she did it do so many other things. So in this episode, we get into how the book really transformed how she saw herself and gave her unquantifiable rewards. So enough of me. I give you. Bonnie hate you. So thank you, Bonnie, for being here. I was just telling you before we started recording. I don't I have snippets of what happened with the book after we launched it into the world, but you tell me what happened.
Speaker 3 01:40
Well, it's interesting, because I think you're one of the first people, when I started to work with you, that said, you know, listen, don't expect to make money on the book. And I think there's a lot of truth to that, but what it opened up is much more valuable than the money. So I think that's kind of what I I learned in hindsight, because I didn't anticipate the different opportunities that I would have from the book. So I think the biggest thing that came from it for me was my TED talk. My my TED talk was what I originally had started to speak with my speech coach about what is it that I want to talk about. We came back to the book, you know, it just, it just was my most passionate sort of kind of deliverable to date that I had made, and it just made so much more sense to come back to that. So I mean, any of those folks who know, who ever tried to apply to do a TED talk, TEDx talk, it's not an easy process. It's hit or miss. You just don't know. But obviously it resonated, and, you know, the book resonated. So in that respect, I was able to open up that, and I've got so much more to tell you about what it's been able to open up, but I think but I think from first and foremost, it gives you a platform, yeah, whether it's for your business or whatever else, it gives you a platform.
Speaker 2 02:50
And to clarify, when I say it, you won't make money from the book. I am talking specifically about book sales. Absolutely not at all talking about what happens as a risk, you know? And that's what kills me, when people focus on the book sales, I'm like, who cares? You're not gonna You're right. What happens?
Speaker 3 03:11
You're right. And I think that's, that's probably where people don't realize, right? I mean, you're doing this to write a book is something obviously a huge commitment. We know that, right, but you're doing it for much more than a book sale. It really has little to do with that. It has to do with providing and giving you credibility, and whatever niche you're looking to gain credibility, and Writing a book is really magical in that respect. I mean, it gives you opportunity that you never would have happened. Yeah.
Speaker 2 03:43
So, so you had you decided you had your your mindset on I want to do a TED Talk and having a book. How much do you think that helped you get accepted?
Speaker 3 03:57
I don't know. I don't really know about that. All I can say is that I think the book itself, a gave me the Platform B, it was like so much a part of me, right, that it just was something, a natural extension of something I could deliver that really helped focus on kind of the purpose of why I wrote the book in the first place. And more than anything, I think because it was tied to my heart. It was about my mind. My mom, and my mom had just passed away, so I think all of those little things just aligned to make it an even more powerful experience for me. But if I had never written the book, I really am not sure I'd have the opportunity, because you could present a bazillion different topics. That particular topic got me in so there's something to be said about, you know, following your passion, following your dream. And I'd always had a dream to write a book, create a podcast, and also do a TED talk. And those three things have come to fruition, large part because of that book.
Speaker 2 04:57
Oh yeah. And I remember, do you. Remember how we connected? Yes, well, and it's lovely and ironic because it was through a podcast.
Speaker 3 05:06
Yes, yes, yes. I had heard about you and different things where I followed sort of what you had done. Who was that one met gentlemen that that actually had great podcast at the time. That's where heard, heard about you, and you were very, very open about the process, and really kind of outlined it. And that's exactly what happened. I listened to a lot of different podcasts, and you try and research these things before you go out there and write, write a book, because it is a huge commitment in time, dollars, all of those various things, right? So you want to do it the right way. And I remember you saying, then the marketing was a big part of it. And, and I think that is probably one of the most daunting things for any author. If they go in to write a book, it's one thing to write it, but how in the world you get it out there for the world to understand and to embrace? And again, the TED talk was an extension of that, right? So now I have the TED Talk that has, you know, I think it's upwards of 350,000 views. Which is, which is great. I'm very happy about that, but it's all related to my book, right? So it just all ties into each other naturally. And if you're looking to build a brand or business or whatever it is, you know that is just definitely a really, very, I would say, almost a must have differentiator if you can write a book.
Speaker 2 06:16
So what else happens? So the TED talk, what else tell me? All the things the
Speaker 3 06:20
TED talk. I think one of the coolest things too, is in promoting the book, I got to go back to sort of my roots in Baltimore, and there was a real interest there in the book, basically because I had also had some cool stuff I'd done in Baltimore years ago. But it kind of came full circle, right? I had married a baseball player, so going back and pitching my book to that particular realm of news media. They were all into it. So it was kind of interesting. Oh, well, former, you know, whatever is now written a book, got to go back to Long Island bookstore and, you know, kind of connect with people in that respect. I think the biggest thing for me, I mean, life is all about making a connection. That's the bottom line. This book has allowed me to connect on a deeper level with other people. The TEDx talk. After I finished it, I was number 10, right? And it's so funny how we do this to ourselves as women. We think that's the worst, and it was actually a place of honor to end after that, when I walk out the people who came up to me telling me their stories about their own moms crying and sharing such intimate details, because either they had read the book, they heard the speech, it was just a whole different level of connection that you realized you're providing value, right? You're providing your value. And that is just, I can't even express to you. It's a really cool, cool feeling. And whenever people introduce me now, it's like, oh, she wrote a book. Oh, she's an author. You don't really think of yourselves that that way, but I think people do respect it, and they put you in a different category of that person took enough time to read a book. And we know that's not easy to do, right? And then, you know, so that opened up my podcast, which, again, these are the things that I started to realize more and more, I just had this, I think my mom's strength, and although she only went to the ninth grade, but really pushed me to be independent, I now have kind of adopted that sort of mantra, and kind of, you know, helping other women and wanting to support other women. So my podcast is all about, you know, this is how she did it, about women. So all of these things kind of really have tied into each other. And I don't think I even realized that when I started this journey. So it's taking on some sort of life of its own, plus the book thing that I don't think people realize you learn. You if you're a learner, you learn so much through that process that helps you take that to different levels, the persistence, right? The commitment, the criticism, you know, putting yourself out there that may be a little scary, right? I remember, you know you're talking about it as well. You put things out there, people may say, I don't like that book. Okay, fine, right? You learn so many different skill sets going through the process that it takes you to a whole different level.
Speaker 2 09:04
Yeah, yeah, I don't think that. I always say that what we do is, yes, we help entrepreneurs publish books, but we help them get a different point of view on themselves. Oh, 5,000% and that's something you can't get it through therapy. I mean, you can, but, but, but getting to become that hero or heroine of your own life is a gift.
Speaker 3 09:32
It's a confidence builder. It's a confidence builder. I mean, before you know, kind of putting yourself out there, the fear of people not having any interest in it, you don't know, right? So it's a little fear of the unknown. But it's like, I love what Eleanor Roosevelt says, you know, do do something every day that that scares you, right? And you and definitely a little scared, like I was afraid. Like, what will my employers say? What will you know, other people say? Will people think I write? Well. Um, but it was a process, and I think you have to go through the process to get you to that next step. And obviously, you know, working with your your group, helped me that with that tremendously by kind of teaching, right as well. You kind of go through the process, but it's also being open to getting a product better, to being open to criticism, to being open to other ideas, because the end game really was kind of, you know, making that milestone and getting through. But then with the fear also came the excitement of, now, what other opportunities will I have from this? And so for me, it was a lonely feeling at times, right? But what a cool feeling after you accomplish that. It is something that I think sits with you forever. And I gotta tell you, the cake I got that time was the most amazing, most amazing thing I ever got, but that milestone of you did it right? Yeah, you do feel good. You do feel good. And that's something important.
Speaker 2 10:54
I'll say something about the cakes. We stopped doing that for clients because we did do this. We made a cake in the shape of your with your book cover,
11:01
it was beautiful, and
Speaker 2 11:04
a lot of people we assessed, and we said most of our clients seem somewhat indifferent to
Speaker 4 11:10
it, so because it was awful. Well now maybe,
Speaker 2 11:13
now we'll bring it back. Maybe because, because we just sort of felt like, you know, we learn on every book. We learn what works, what what helps our clients have success. And you know, 60 books later, we're still learning on every single book. You're the one who taught us, wow, you can make it into a TED Talk. We did have another client who did that, but that had not occurred to me that that would be the next step for people.
Speaker 3 11:42
That's interesting. You say that now. Now listen, all of your authors may not like to speak because it is a huge commitment, but let me tell you that is something that I not only do I love the fact that I was able to do it when I go on like I go on once a month, and I see what everyone's written, the responses, there is nothing more fulfilling to me than to respond back to them, thanking them for taking the time hearing maybe a sad story that they didn't get to say goodbye to their mom. And I'm like, Hey, listen, it's okay. We've all been there with people. But you know what? The reason I did this was because I realized after my you know, how many decades of life we're missing out on something here? We have to kind of think about it differently. It really did help people think a little bit. And when someone says to me, because of your speech, I called my father, and I haven't spoken with him in three years, and I told him that I'm sorry and that I love him, and we're going to connect this week. That's huge, if you can make that sort of sort of impact on someone,
Speaker 2 12:41
and that we did get it out on your mom's birthday, right? We did, we did.
Speaker 3 12:47
And she and she passed a few months later. So we did, we did that was actually her birthday,
Speaker 2 12:52
yes. And we we were, I remember the hustle. We were like, we've got to get it out. There is no other date that we can do this. And she was turning 90.
Speaker 3 13:04
She's 91 she was 91 that day. And you know what's funny, the last time she was out of her house prior to her death, was at the book signing at Barnes and Noble. We got her out. She was there. And you know what she said to me, that was a nice day, Bonnie. But next time you need to have open bar, people like those things, things, oh my God. Think Barnes and Noble was gonna let me have an open bar, but that just speaks to her spirit. And you know what? She was, right? I should have had an open bar and drinks the world,
Speaker 2 13:33
according to bass that should have been in there. So, okay, so how'd you get a Barnes and Noble reading? That's something that a lot of people would like. What did you do? Reached out.
Speaker 3 13:43
I mean, I think I listened to your your podcast, and a lot of instruction, and I found out a lot of this stuff is self made. You have an app to advocate for yourself. I mean, it's not always easy. Some will say, Listen, I have to order your book ahead of time. I gotta. How many do you think you're going to be able to sell that sort of stuff? So you have to, you know, take that into consideration, if to you know, how strongly do you feel that you're going to be able to deliver but you reach out, you explain, you know that your local, local author, and that you've done X, Y and Z, and they will check it out. I know they will go and check out see what sort of book it is. If you have any sort of social media presence, are you, you know, somewhat, just not someone that's done some sort of one off kind of book that really doesn't have a professional feel to it. They definitely want to make sure that it has, you know, a certain level of level of credibility where it's been published, things of that sort. But I did too. Actually did one on near my mom, and also did one in Long Island, where I was from. And, yeah, those sorts of things you have to it gives you the confidence as well if you believe you have something good to say, you believe it's a value, and again, through that learning process, you feel a little more confident, and that is just worth its weight and goal, to feel a little bit more confident about yourself and the and your value and what you've been able to deliver.
Speaker 2 14:59
Yeah, and it's. I had forgotten my that I that was my advice. I was really into that at that time, because I had the experience of publishers telling me, oh, Barnes and Noble doesn't want your book. Harper Collins saying to me, Harper, you know, Barnes and Noble doesn't want your book. Then I had the experience of walking in unplanned talking to someone who worked there and him, you know, I was just like, Oh, I'm an author. And it ended up in a conversation where he ordered by book. And so I was telling everybody, you got to go and do this. And I've kind of forgotten about that, because I get, I get distracted, like I said, we learn on every book, and I learn new strategies. And oh, my God, if you are working with us today. We've got hundreds of new things that we do. I think
Speaker 3 15:43
one of the best things that you also advised on was sort of that pre marketing scenario where you you kind of get your your reader group together and, you know, try and help, you know, really start to create some buzz ahead of time. That was probably one of the most valuable things. And I think people who try to publish one off again, more power to you. It's really hard to follow all of the various things you have to do to make it a successful sort of scenario. I mean, it's, it's very involved. So I think the way that you know, for again, I think probably maybe you can tell me Anna, but you find most of your authors are a little bit daunted by the whole marketing side of it. Don't really know what to do with it.
Speaker 2 16:26
Everybody's daunted by something different, and you are perhaps more self aware than some people. What we find is that people are not aware that they're scared, and so it becomes ghosting us. Our biggest challenge is hunting down our clients, because they're all really busy. And you know, I can't even tell you, the delay surprises me. I know it definitely surprises me. We have some that have ghosted us for good, paid all this money went away, and I know that it's fear. I know that it's fear, and that sometimes people aren't, and a lot of them have told me afterwards I was scared, and it is so important to step into this. Yeah, yeah, don't be scared. Fear is false evidence appearing real, and yes, the the strategy that you were talking about this, this reader, reader squad, reader group, we kind of always changed the name, but corralling people to review the book The week before it comes out, so that it launches with all those reviews. There's nothing more important because people don't get it. An Amazon review stays there forever, a story on the New York Times that's yesterday's news. But anytime somebody looks up your book on Amazon, those reviews are going to be there.
Speaker 3 17:50
Talk about some of the little fun things. Well, first of all, the fear thing. I totally agree. You know, you've got to push yourself. I mean, fear is some so many times it's one thing that holds people back, and the flip side of that is just the amazing sort of new things that you'll be exposed to because you push through that fear and you'll feel much more, you know better about yourself, and more confident. So I think you know that that's that's something that people can push through, and they actually should.
Speaker 2 18:18
And so tell me about other fun things that you didn't expect the book to bring to your life, but it did.
Speaker 3 18:25
Yeah, there's, I would think, you know, just when you were talking sometimes I scroll through what I would scroll through and kind of look to see where the book was and it was on sale at Target. I mean, I'd be so excited. Oh, my God, my books. I mean, sounds silly, but I never thought my book would be for sale on target or wherever you see little things. Oh, my goodness. Now I've done some speaking on it as well. I would go and do some book clubs, local book clubs, that's very, very rewarding. I think, you know, just in general, from up, from a perspective of just always having that, I will get someone taking a screenshot. They'll be on the beach, and they'll say, hey, you know, just got your book. Love it. Your mom's so funny. I can't believe she said, X, Y and Z. My brother will say, Hey, I was down the beach and saw Mr. So and So, and he just finished reading your book. He said he loved it. Thing, it just continues. It's the gift I call that keeps giving. It's the gift that keeps giving. I, I, you know, there are so many scenarios of something that pops up and I'm like, oh my god, I wouldn't have had that if I didn't have the book. Oh, my goodness. Oh my goodness, that is so cool that people, even you know, are reading it, or, you know, just kind of being able to make the connection again, that you're making an impact, and some sort of getting people to think in a better way. And I think for me, if we all kind of look for our purpose in life, and sometimes we just don't know, but to have someone else change their point of view, or to have someone else feel something different because of you and something you wrote, or be able to relate to something a little bit, you know, because of something you put in down on paper that's really powerful, really, really powerful.
Speaker 2 19:56
And so what about your career? You said? You were nervous about what your boss
Speaker 3 20:01
would I was, I was I had just started a new job, and so I told him, I, you know, I just said, Listen, I just want you to know I wrote a book, and it's about my mom, and it's coming out in in June, and I'd only been there for a couple of months. He's like, That's fabulous. Like, really, yeah, that's terrific, okay, but you know, you still have this little fear. I mean, the smallest thing, like, once or twice, there may be a curse word in there that my mom said, right? And she would whatever was I would say, and I'd be like, Oh, my god, is that you question yourself? But no, that's the story. It's not in a malicious way. It's fine. But we always have that fear that someone's not going to like what we do, or it's going to bode you know, maybe they think I'm going to try and be some big, famous author. No, my heart was always with my company. I work for a great company. They are so supportive of everything I've done, TEDx, the whole thing as well. But in some respects, I think that fear aspect that you're talking about, I didn't let that hold me back. Right? In fact, the pandemic did a lot of crazy things, and I think that actually pushed me over the top to move forward. I mean, a couple of times I was struggling because of time elements, and then I ended up having to move and it was a lot of but at some point, no, I said to my husband, one day, it's going to cost X, Y and Z to get this going. I just want to do it. Do it. That was in. I was in after that point, and I tell you of all the things that were most fun, and I don't know if you hear this from authors in general, it's the book cover. The book cover, to me, is like the AHA of everything you've just tried to incorporate, right? And that's Do you find that most people like that or don't like that that I do,
Speaker 2 21:39
by the way, I have all our book covers framed so I can look right now at your cover. Oh, my God. The funniest thing is, my son is obsessed with apples. And you know how there's this globe, he comes up every day, apple.
Speaker 3 21:55
Oh, see that? That's another connection, because of the book. Never would have even known that, right? But, yeah, no, I look at that all the time, and I just have such a warm spot, like a warm feeling, right? And there's, there's those sorts of things that you just look back, that's really what life is all about. I mean, that's what it's all about. And being able to, I got to tell you something else that helped with this book. It made me understand my relationship with my mother better, right? Because when I started this book, it was just she was funny, so I would just wanted to write down all the funny things. And then as I started to put things together to tell the story, I'm like, Oh my gosh, now I understand why she was obsessed with food. Everything was about us always eating. That's her love language. Then she would tell me more about how she was raised and how she had to stay home if people were sick in the family, she had to stay home from school. That's what she knew to do best, is how to take care of others. And so I understood our relationship more after I got through that whole book, and it was a little bit of an aha moment for me. Aha moment. I used to think some of the stuff was crazy. Now I get it. That's how she was raised, right? We don't think about that sometimes about our own parents
Speaker 2 23:04
well, and also we don't think that a book is going to give us such perspective on our lives, but it does more than anything, because how often do you sit down and examine your life from where you sit? Right?
Speaker 3 23:18
Then you don't. You don't. And I didn't realize, like, my uncle said they were poor. Now, my mother said I never felt poor. He's like, we were poor. I didn't know that, right? There are certain things I look back like, I guess you kind of were right, different stories that I would start asking her questions, because I needed to know this for the book I got, like a treasure trove of stuff I just never realized. And I think you're really right, it taught me an awful lot about myself through the process as well. Not only that, I figured out one of my superpowers is tenacity. I don't know why it's taken me that long to realize, because you have to, you have to have some sort of persistence in you to get through this process. And I think when you're saying kind of not to digress, but when you're talking about people having fear, I think it may be twofold. Are they fearful of putting themselves out in the world, or are they fearful of the process and how much work it is?
Speaker 2 24:17
Well, I think it's really the former. You know, I will say you came to us with a complete book. A lot of our books we are writing, we're co writing, ghost writing, with them. It's less work. I mean, writing the book yourself is a lot more work. So one of the things that I do, think we do is we take the heavy lifting off of certainly the publication part, and with a lot of clients, the writing part. So the truth is, it's not that much actual work. We now have a system where we say two hours a week for six months, that's all you got to commit to us if you. If you think about something that's going to change your life, that's not much time.
Speaker 3 25:03
It's half a round of golf, right? I mean, listen, my husband golfs every day, and I'm like, I just could never do that. That's what I could write a book, right? So, yeah, I think you're right. I mean, if it's two hours a week for six months, I mean, after that too, you know, I probably haven't has been as diligent since the last year or so in marketing the book, because it's, as you said, it's not about book sales for me, right? It's more about, you know, sharing my story or using it in some other way, because it's now brought you to a different level of kind of credibility. The next thing is, what's the next book I'm going to write? Right? So I start thinking about that, given the experiences that I've had in the last couple of years. Yeah.
Speaker 2 25:43
So do you think that it has impacted your career? I mean in terms of work,
Speaker 3 25:52
no, not my formal work. I think it's impacted my bucket list achievements. And you know, because I had a couple of them that that was always one on my list. I think back now, when I was a little girl and I used to make books or pretend books, or be pretend teacher with I always have loved the written language, so I think it helped me achieve some of my life purposes. And to me, you can't put money on that. I don't think you can. I think we all have careers. We have jobs. I love my job. I'm, you know, cmo by day for a financial services firm. This scratches an itch of true, authentic purpose for me. Other, you know, a lot of my friends. I mean, one of the things, I'm fine, you got to find your tribe too, right? Like, I not everyone gets it, like, Why? Why don't you want to go out and instead, like, I don't know, you know, do do an activity. This is my activity. I mean, the level of what you get back from it is just something that no one can ever take away from you. Personally. It's just different, right? So I think in finding your tribe and those who support you was equally important through this journey. If someone is kind of like a cheerleader say, you can, you can do this. I can't wait to read it. You're going to be great. That helps if you have someone as a naysayer. Why that's crazy? Why are you doing that? Who's going to read your book? You know, you don't want that. You need to find that tribe that's going to support you. And I think, you know, your company certainly gave, gave that. And I think I just dove in and started listening to other people who are have done this for, for a very long time, and learned tremendous amount just to their own experiences. I mean, some of the stuff you you told me you know what you had gone through it just listening from a podcast perspective, your your launch party, and different things that you know you kind of went through why, you know, choosing the name that you do, the title that you do, all of the various things. It's a lot of detail, a lot of thought towards it. So I think in some respects, it's important to find a group of people that support you through that journey.
Speaker 2 27:51
Yeah, and, and I think it is surprising and a bit disappointing when you find that some of your friends don't care, they don't care, don't care.
28:00
They don't care. And I
Speaker 2 28:03
think it's a surprising thing for almost every author that you sometimes your circle doesn't care, but boy, does the outside world care.
Speaker 3 28:13
That's a really good point. Now, I did have some folks. Had one friend that threw me an amazing book launch party, flew my daughter, got my daughter here. I mean, it was just just crazy, right? And you're right, but, and there's some that would really, are really into and others that are like, what I know, yeah, I didn't run no. And then even had one who told me she didn't like it, and I was shut up.
28:35
Yeah, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 3 28:37
right? Old me would have been upset. Knew me, and I think that's another thing. You get a little bit less inclined to let someone's nay say impact you and your happiness, right? If you start listening to that, that fear goes, oh, right, I don't care. It's not looks, not for you. I'm happy with it. And then all the people that loved it, look what I got to do. I got to do a TED talk about it. You kidding me? I'm good, right? And that, that empowerment is huge, because you are being vulnerable in putting yourself out there. It's vulnerable, it's it's definitely being a little vulnerable, sharing stuff about yourself, and you do a lot of mostly nonfiction, all nonfiction, right? That's some that's usually, I mean, again, if you're talking about a work product or how to do something, that's one thing. But when you're putting a story out there that includes a lot of elements about yourself, it's a little scary. It's a little scary. I won't be I don't think about it anymore. Yeah, I don't think about it now. I'm like, Well, if they know that I had a problem that I could never pee in college because of my mother, that's fine, right? She used to always make me run the water. I mean, what? What was that about, right? But I got to understand, after going through the oh, I had it now. It's kind of how she was raised. You know, I don't care anymore. Yeah, yeah, it's free, very freeing.
Speaker 2 29:50
And, and a previous guest talked to me about how his business changed because people knew his personal story. So what were business conference? Conversations became conversations between friends, and sometimes that's not quantifiable, but I think we get an opportunity to share
Speaker 3 30:09
ourselves. Not everything's so quantifiable in a numbers scenario with this, and that's where I think that the beauty lies. I think it's sort of a for me, a personal journey that yields results on a higher level, meaning, again, that level of connection, I mean, to have your book that could be across the country or the globe, or the impact, same with a TED TEDx that's there in perpetuity, forever, across for forever, right? Who gets a chance to do that? I mean, it, I feel blessed, and I pinch myself sometimes. I mean, who would have thought that I'd be able to stand on the stage, on that red dot and tell the story about my mother, all because of this book? And to me, that's how her legacy lives on. And so to me, I feel very blessed. And sometimes I prayed and asked her for a sign. They go. Maybe that was the sign, right? I don't know, but it's pretty it was pretty powerful. And something probably, if I looked back and all of the things that were truly a life achievement, I don't think I'm necessarily going to say, you know, obviously my daughter's first, right? But my book and TEDx have pretty cool. You know, at least in my later parts of life, I feel really that was something I did on my own, nobody else. And you can't say that for everything, right? It's something we as individuals or humans take the risk emotionally, you know, financially or whatever, and you're able to develop something that is authentically yours, that you can leave behind as a legacy forever. That's powerful.
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I love it. I love it. So, Bonnie, if people want to find you, you got a podcast and you listening right now, you are a podcast listener. So tell us how they can find that.
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Meet Bonnie h.com and my podcast just was rebranded, and I love this name. This is how she did it. So it's all about a lot of cool stories with women who have just taught me so much this last year.
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I love it well. Bonnie, thank you for being here. Thanks y'all for listening. See you next week. Two weeks, we're doing it every other week.
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Thank you. For
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listening to behind the book cover. If you loved it, I hope you'll consider liking and subscribing, because it helps more people find the show and look you can like and subscribe even if you only liked and didn't love it, but if you hated it, you can skip the review. Or who am I kidding? I'll take one from you too.
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Of Money or the lack thereof, the research rabbit hole scooted pissed off behind the book cover. Let's get weird asking the questions that you've always been.