Breaking the "Most Secure Election in History" Narrative for 2020

The other day, Heartland Institute Vice President Jim Lakely was asked to be on the Tony Katz Today show to talk about a new Heartland Institute/Rasmussen poll that caused a media earthquake. The poll asked people who mailed in their ballots in the 2020 presidential election if they signed ballots that weren't theirs, voted in a state that is not their permanent residence, and other acts of voter fraud. To our shock, one-in-five mail-in voters admitted to at least one form of criminal voter fraud. It was truly shocking.

Relevant links

The polls:

https://heartland.org/opinion/heartland-rasmussen-poll-one-in-five-mail-in-voters-admit-to-committing-at-least-one-kind-of-voter-fraud-during-2020-election/

https://heartland.org/opinion/heartland-rasmussen-poll-one-in-five-democrats-want-donald-trump-to-be-permanently-imprisoned-exiled-or-executed-if-convicted-over-election-fraud-claims/

More of the media coverage of The Heartland Institute/Rasmussen Reports poll.

https://heartland.org/opinion/media-coverage-of-heartlands-poll-on-fraud-in-the-2020-election/

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Jim Lakely

Jim Lakely is the Vice President and Director of Communications at The Heartland Institute

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This is the Heartland Daily podcast the other day, Heartland Institute, Vice President Jim Lakely.

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That's me, was a guest on Tony Katz today on W I BC in Indianapolis, Indiana.

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I was asked on to talk about a New Heartlands two poll that we released in December of 2023 that caused a media earthquake.

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We commissioned Rasmussen to ask likely voters who mailed in their ballots in 2023 if they committed voter fraud.

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But we didn't ask it in exactly that way.

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We ask questions such as during the 2020 election.

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Did you fill out a ballot in part or in full on behalf of a friend or family member such as a spouse or a child?

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That's voter fraud and that's a crime yet.

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21% of likely voters said yes.

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We also asked, did you sign a ballot or ballot envelope on behalf of a friend or family member with or without his or her permission?

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Again, that's about as clear as it gets when it comes to committing the crime of voter fraud.

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But 17% of likely voters polled by Hartland and Rasmussen said, yes, you can see the full poll at heartland.org to read all the questions and all the responses.

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They will shock you as much as they shocked us.

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So here's me, Jim Blakely on the Tony Katz Today Show on W I BC in Indianapolis talking about the shocking revelations from this poll.

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Have a listen.

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Now, I know what you're saying, Tony, you can't talk to me about polls when you're a guy who talks about the polling and says, I don't believe the polling.

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When we take a look at presidential polling and I see Trump ahead by 50 I say, ok, I got all these polls that say he's ahead by 50.

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I'm willing to accept that.

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That's what the polls say.

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I'm waiting to see what Iowa tells me is every do the polls relate to how people have to show up to vote, especially in a caucus state.

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Tony Katz.

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Tony Katz today.

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Good to be with you.

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It doesn't mean that when I see something that I don't go well, that's a story.

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And one of the bigger polling stories that came out the other day from the Heartland Institute in conjunction with Rasmussen reports.

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States that one in five, that's 20% for those of you playing the home game.

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One in five voters who cast mail in ballots during the 2020 presidential election.

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Admit to participating in at least one kind of voter fraud.

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That number is criminally insane.

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Jim Blakely joins me right now.

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He is the vice president and Director of Communications for the Heartland Institute heartland.org.

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You were saying to me before we, we, we, we got on that.

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This is, this is the biggest poll you've ever done.

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This might be the biggest thing that Rasmussen has ever done.

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No one can even comprehend the numbers.

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So I want you to take it, take me through it.

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What made you put this poll into the field?

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And what did the data tell you?

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Well, Tony, it's an honor to be on with you and to be able to speak with your audience.

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But, you know, we, we kicked the idea for this poll around, you know, because we're not allowed to talk about having any qualms or any, any questions about the results and the way the 2020 election was executed by states across the country.

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So we thought, you know, what if we asked people if they did X or Y or Z and if they mailed in their ballots and if they had, didn't, did these sorts of things, what if we just asked them that we don't, you don't ask people, hey, did you commit voter fraud?

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But you ask them, hey, did you happen to fill out a ballot in part or in full for a friend or a family member?

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Did,, did you sign a ballot that wasn't put somebody else's signature on a ballot that wasn't yours?

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And so when you,, you, you ask these questions, those things are voter fraud, that, that's a fraudulent vote that should not be counted, that should be thrown out.

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And what we, what we found was that if you ran down all of these different types of voter fraud, just, just, you know, described very, I guess, innocently to people's minds.

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One in five mail in voters did one of these illegal things to a ballot.

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It's shocking.

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I mean, we had no idea that we would get results like this back.

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We thought maybe, you know, if 5% or 10% we, that's kind of where we were guessing the range would be.

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So what this shows is what everybody kind of knows in their gut that the 2020 election was not on the up and up that throwing out all election rules, mailing everybody a ballot having no structures in place to make sure that these ballots are legitimate.

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makes, makes the 2020 election very much in doubt.

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I mean, I think we actually don't know who really won the 2020 election.

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You know, maybe Biden won, maybe Trump won, but Biden's in the White House and he got there because we threw out all election rules went to mail in ballots when one in five of them and there's no way to track this.

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Of course, it's, it's obviously too late.

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But the purpose of setting up this, this crazy way to elect a president because of COVID W was used by the left to make sure that we had a very chaotic election system.

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And it turns out that one in five people who mailed in ballots admitted that they committed some sort of voter fraud.

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It's absolutely shocking.

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This should not be happening in America.

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So let me jump in with, with a couple of things.

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First, I absolutely oppose mail in balloting because it creates the opportunity for voter fraud.

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Second, I'll say here and, and I'll argue with anybody.

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Joe Biden is the president of the United States.

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This is not our debatable thing.

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What is the question is exactly how often do things like this happen?

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And how could it not be obvious to everyone that by allowing the mail in voting in the ways that we did under the guise of COVID that you create these issues, you break down specifically what the issues are.

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You can find the reporting on this at heartland.org, walk me through it, starting with the 21% of mail in voters admitting they filled out a ballot for a friend or a family member, right?

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I mean, we, we just asked here, I'm looking at the question right now at our poll during the 2020 election.

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Did a friend, family member or organization?

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oh no, I'm sorry, this is a different question.

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Did they offer you or or a friend or a family member?

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A reward or to pay you for voting.

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That, that, that's a question we asked Tony, we thought, jeez, no one's gonna admit to that.

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Well, they did admit to that.

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, 8% of pe of likely voters admitted that they were offered a reward for their vote.

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Again, this is, this is illegal.

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You, that, that is a federal crime.

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You cannot do that.

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, you know, we asked if you have any friends or acquaintances who have also reported to you that they committed voter fraud, 10% of likely voters said that they did that.

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I mean, in fact, you know, when we say in the poll that the takeaway is that one in five mail in votes, were some sort of voter fraud that's not even necessarily, you know, the, the, the whole number because there is overlap on these things.

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Perhaps you did two or three of these items, maybe you just did one.

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I mean, it's, you know, people that have that question, of course, you're not allowed to our social media companies shut you down.

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They, they nuke your youtube channel from space.

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If you talk, if you have any questions at all about the legitimacy of the 2020 election, our media doesn't report on it.

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Our, our government assures us Tony that 2020 was the most secure election in history.

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I mean, the gas lighting for all of this was off the charts.

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And what it has done it, it suppressed speech.

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People kn knew in there a lot of people know in their guts that there was something fishy going on.

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But when there is enormous pressure from every aspect of society that you're not allowed to talk about it, despite the fact that Democrats have not considered any Republican for the last 23 years to be legitimately elected president.

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Let's put that aside.

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But, you know, in the investigations, I'd say, say you see a security cam video of a van showing up at a, at a polling place and it's Wednesday at three, a three in the morning and unloading all of these boxes.

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Say you see video of them closing the windows as they count the votes.

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, say you see a, a surveillance video of somebody stuffing a bunch of ballots into a,, into a dropbox somewhere.

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You know, the left in the media could just wave that away and say you have no idea what was going on there.

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You don't know what was in those boxes.

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You don't know that those votes weren't legitimate.

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But when you do a poll and you asked voters if they have done this thing or this thing or this thing, which are all part which are all, voter fraud and 20% of them said, yeah, I did that, that can't be denied.

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You can explain away or try to explain away any other, you know, quote unquote evidence that the election wasn't on the up and up.

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But you can't explain the way,, explain away that one in 5 million voters admit that they committed some sort of voter fraud.

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You can't make that go away.

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This is changing the conversation.

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The number that jumps out because the, the part where I I am in a wholehearted agreement is that there are people out there who tell you you can't even bring these things up.

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I believe you can bring anything up if you've got data to go with it.

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Here's the one that jumped out at me, Jim, 17% of mailing voters according to your polling said they signed a ballot for a friend or family member with or without his or her permission.

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The other things some people could actually want to explain away.

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Oh, they were helping a friend.

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It's fine.

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It's harmless.

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As a matter of fact, how often does that happen?

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They're helping a family member who's infirmed.

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They're not really 100%.

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And in getting to the, to the post office, all those kinds of things.

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This one to me was the one who that, that jumped out as well as helping people vote in a state where they were no longer a permanent resident that's fraud.

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, signing a ballot without someone's permission.

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That is an admission of guilt and of, of illegality, period.

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Full stop that.

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That's, that's the, but yeah, 17% said they're voted in a state where they're no longer a permanent resident.

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That's a pretty clear violation of election law.

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But, yeah, signing a ballot without somebody's permission.

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Full stop.

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Very clear voter fraud.

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And 17% of,, mail in voters said that they did that they had done that.

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I mean, this is, this is, I mean, obviously it's too late.

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You can't go back, we can't fix the 2020 election.

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But I really hope that legis state legislators and you know, election law is a state by state deal.

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I hope they are watching, they paid attention to this poll.

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We have an election coming up in 11 months.

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There are a lot of loose laws in states, especially swing states across this country, state legislatures and it would have to be run by Republicans because Democrats will not do this.

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All these systems were invented by Democrats, a Republican legislature in a swing state must take action this year to fix, to fix it.

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So that as much of this fraud cannot happen this, that you don't have an election.

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If, if this sort of thing go on, you have something else.

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We don't have a democracy or a representative republic when our elections are completely chaotic and rife for fraud.

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And this is what plays into the conversation, Jim about Banana Republic type.

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Feel what actually has happened to the country.

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Have we lost it?

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I am opposed to mail in balloting because it creates the opportunity for fraud.

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And this data would, would prove me right.

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I have been saying this for years.

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You did another poll, this poll states that 47% of likely voters believe that Trump is guilty of the alleged crimes to overturn the 2020 election.

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Well, great, they can think that but it doesn't matter 18 because you have to be found, you know, guilty and right now he's innocent until proven guilty.

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18% of Democrat likely voters think Trump should be punished by jail for life, permanent exile or death if found guilty.

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What the hell kind of poll is this, Jim?

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Well, that was another part we wanted to, we wanted to gauge the public's perception of Donald Trump's alleged crimes and what his punishment punishment should be for it.

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Now, look, we 47% of likely voters say they believe Trump is guilty of alleged crimes to overturn the 2020 election.

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Now, look, if I was asked and I'm a Trump supporter.

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If I was asked, did Trump try to overturn the 2020 election?

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I would actually answer.

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Yes, he did try to, he was challenging the results legally and constitutionally, there's nothing wrong with that.

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In fact, they Democrats were trying to do the same thing when Trump won in 2016.

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But it's the idea that, that, I mean, I was,, 4% of Democrats think Donald Trump should be executed, get the electric chair or lethal injection or maybe just have to listen to,, Hillary Clinton talk for two hours straight.

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That would probably kill him too.

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, but put to death for challenging the,, results of the 2020 election, which our own poll shows was very unusual at the very least, but obviously rife with actual voter fraud.

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And so, you know, thi this country, we all know this country has probably it, it's just so divided where there's so much hate and vitriol pointed at at, at each side of in this country and it's gotten to the point where some people think the president should be killed, executed for questioning for being quote unquote, guilty of trying to quote unquote overturn the 2020 election.

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That's pretty dark man.

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So when you, when you assemble this data and, and I mean, it, it, it is the, these polls have exploded and people have been talking about them all, all across the, the the country.

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What, what is the result?

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Right?

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You, you've been making, I think a, a very, very fine argument that it allows for the conversation to take place because the conversation should always be allowed to take place.

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But is that the goal is that the purpose of the polling or is there something else that you would like to see that heartland.org would like to see build from this.

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Well, I mean, I think part of the reason we, we did this poll was because we wanted to see,, we, we kind of wanted to see if we could confirm what we knew in our gut that the 2020 election was not on the up and up that there was rampant fraud.

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And really the only way to, to, to measure that with a poll was just to ask them, ask him if, did you do a mail in ballot?

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Because 43% of votes in the 2020 election were mailed in and most of those.

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, and I think two thirds of them or more were for Biden voters.

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Most of the Trump voters in 2020 showed up on election day as you should as a good American, you should take the time to physically, you know, present yourself to a polling place and cast your vote.

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Not this nonsense of mailing in vote.

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I'm 100 100% with you on that, Tony.

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But, you know, and then the second part of the poll, was to kind of see.

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Well, ok, I mean, all Democrats basically think Donald Trump is guilty of crimes against democracy and all that kind of nonsense.

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So, what do they think should happen to him?

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And we didn't even ask, just ask that, Tony.

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I have bad news for you, my friend, you are also in very big trouble.

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In fact, I am right now just by speaking on your radio show, because 48% of likely voters say that media members who alleged election fraud should be criminally punished if Trump is also found guilty of those crimes.

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So this poll actually ended up being a kind of perpetual punishment machine by just doing this poll.

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We are supposedly spreading the idea that the election was not on the up and up and because of doing that, we should be punished as well.

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And I don't think very many says Tony, that guys like you and me should be put to death, but a fine would be very much in order or maybe a year or two in prison.

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Just so we learn our lesson and to not talk about things that are not approved narratives from our ruling class as you have it here in the polling, 48% of Democrat likely voters believe media members who alleged election fraud should be banned from public speaking, receive prison time or a combination of, of both.

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You mean if I even discussed it?

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I I'm guilty because I believe that 100% of those 48% can kiss my ass.

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I'm just saying that if, if we're gonna be doing some polling, I I took the poll and unanimous unanimous Jim lately is his name He is the Vice president and Director of Communications for the Heartland Institute, heartland.org.

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you know, we joke but some of these things are just this, this is our society, this, this is dangerous stuff.

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We'll talk more about it.

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Jim Blakely.

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I appreciate you taking the time more to get to.

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I'm Tony Katz.

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This is Tony Katz today.