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The Smoke Trail, hosted by Smoke Wallin, is a journey into awakening consciousness, weaving authentic stories and deep discussions with inspiring guests to unlock high performance and perfect health. Each episode delves into spirituality, leadership, and transformation, offering tools to transcend trauma and find your bliss along the way. It’s a reflective space for achieving peak potential and inner peace in a distraction-filled world.
I'm super excited to have our next guest, Jonette Crowley. Jonette is a globally known channel mystic teacher and bestselling author and is acknowledged as a world elder and known as grandmother. She founded the Center for Creative Consciousness in the early 1990s to support humanity's spiritual awakening. As a shaman in the ancient lineage of the sun and a modern day mystic, she explores the inner planes and maps the higher dimensions of consciousness. Her books, The Eagle and the Condor, A True Story of Unexpected Mystical Journey and Soul The Missing Peace for Healing and Beyond are both published in 12 languages.
Smoke:Janette leads retreats and spiritual adventure tours around the world and has been to over 75 countries. Please welcome Janette. Yes. Welcome to the Smoke Trail.
Jonette:Thank you. It's quite a trail you have here.
Smoke:You know, I I I think this studio beats all other podcast studios.
Jonette:I'm sure it is. Yeah. Yeah.
Smoke:Not that I'm in competition or anything.
Jonette:No. It's spectacular. I live in Sedona. This is spectacular.
Smoke:Yeah. Well, I'm super excited to have you here and have a a conversation, and and, you know, we met not that long ago, but we had a dinner, and, you know, we started talking a little bit, and I started hearing about your story, and I was like, oh, wow. Okay. And then I read your book first book.
Jonette:Uh-huh.
Smoke:I've read little snippets of the second one, more of the technique.
Jonette:Okay.
Smoke:But the first book, the eagle and the condor, which I want to talk a little bit about that journey.
Jonette:I'll hold it up.
Smoke:Okay. So I guess Please do.
Jonette:It's a real book.
Smoke:Yeah. It's, I couldn't put it down. Like, I I took it with me back to Indiana, and I was hanging out with family. And whenever I wasn't with everyone, I was my nose is in the book. I was like, oh my goodness.
Smoke:What's she gonna tell about next? But it's a it's a it's a fun read
Jonette:Yep.
Smoke:Which, think is important because a lot of you know, some spiritual stuff is kind of not it's kind of drab.
Jonette:Yeah.
Smoke:And that would drab would be the opposite of the life you have led.
Jonette:It it would be the opposite of me. Yes.
Smoke:Yes. Yes. So, I mean, let's just dive right in and talk a little bit about it. I I loved so the first experience you had, you're out backpacking in Australia, and you had this what you what later you realized was your higher self or a version of you come to you and say, drop the backpack. Keep walking.
Jonette:So so just for your audience, because you're in in leadership, I was a leadership consultant for twenty years, and at that time, I was living in Australia working for Logica which is a big computer consulting company and I just go backpacking some friends every weekend and I didn't know I had any psychic ability. I didn't know anything like that and I'm just walking with my heavy pack and all of a sudden it's like my reality split and I'm still walking with my heavy pack but this other reality opened up and it wasn't a real reality, but it was very real. And there's this beautiful woman in white with silver hair sitting on a rock and she telepathically says, come on over. So I come on over and she said, she just filled me with love. And she didn't say anything at first.
Jonette:She just connected with me, and then it was time to go. And she said, leave your pack here. And I'm I'm still in the real world where I want my pack my sleeping bag in my tent and I kind of argued with her why do I'm not going to leave my pack here I don't have much in it and she said no you have to leave it here. So in that frame I put my pack down and then I didn't know which way to go because it's a forest in Australia and I said well you know kind of belligerently well which way to go then? You're keeping my pack so just tell me where to go and she said again telepathically, you make your path by walking.
Smoke:And
Jonette:what I realized is I and we so often are looking for maybe following someone else's path or following a path that we think is going to get us where we want and it changed everything when I realized there is no path in front of you. Only path you see is where you've trodden and so that kind of well two things it gave me that advice to just keep walking and see where your path leads but also it made me realize that I was kind of spooky psychic and what was this? So then being started coming to me always were at first wearing white.
Smoke:So
Jonette:it turns out later she's kind of an aspect of white buffalo calf woman who I had never heard of, and she's not someone you would think would pop in when I live in Australia. So that's how that's how my psychicness opened up and just on a backpacking trip with some colleagues.
Smoke:Yeah. No. And it's it was really the storytelling is great. So as your story unfolded, more and more things opened up to you. And again, retrospectively, you realize that was an aspect of you or another version of you from a different time or different realm, which was really cool.
Smoke:But you were kind of a, let's say, normie. I mean, were consultant, computer lady.
Jonette:You
Smoke:ran a sorority for a while, like a national sorority.
Jonette:The youngest executive director of an international sorority.
Smoke:Yeah. And so you've what I love is that you've intertwined your spirituality with professional work over many years. And so even once you realized your abilities and you still had one foot in the corporate world, and you were advising big companies on leadership and how to get more out of their people and how to get more things done. And you were at this parallel track of channeling and and receiving all kinds of
Jonette:Parallel track. And the company I was with with my husband was called enlightened leadership. Yeah. So at least it had enlightenment in it.
Smoke:Yes.
Jonette:And then it and then in the evenings or on Saturdays, I do my channeling work for friends and that was getting more and more exciting and the leadership was getting more exciting.
Smoke:Yeah.
Jonette:So I realized that we think we have to have either or lives. We can have an and and and life.
Smoke:Yeah, I love that, and that's really the spirit of the smoke trail, which is how do we bring some of these topics to call it mainstream Mhmm. Leaders, who maybe have maybe have experienced, and I know in retrospect, I experienced lots of things over time that I was like, oh, that's not that's not real. That's nothing. You know, everybody's experiencing different levels of of knowingness and spirituality, but a lot of times, it doesn't fit our paradigm, so we just say, let's don't that's just daydream, or that's just in my imagination, or that's a dream or something, and and they're real. And it's, you know, and some are maybe some is your imagination, but I think a lot of people have some experiences like that.
Smoke:So part of the idea of this podcast, which came out of literally a conversation with someone else who said, you should do this on. I'm like, okay. And then three months later, he called me back, and he's like, when are you gonna do your show? I'm like, well, I'm not really ready. He's like, when are you gonna be ready?
Smoke:I'm like, you know what? You make your path by walking.
Jonette:Mhmm.
Smoke:And this is a good example. I just say, oh, you know what? Let's do it.
Jonette:You never read.
Smoke:And so I just started.
Jonette:Well, I'm look, everything's coming. I'm it's just great to be here and and to be able to help people we've leadership and management and responsibility with spirituality because if we keep them separate, we're doomed. Yeah. And we've kept them separate. We've kept religion away from business.
Jonette:Well, for the most part, and it's the integration of our spirit in our leadership that makes a difference because you can have a leader who knows technically everything and you've probably worked for them or had them work for you.
Smoke:I've probably been fired by them because I I didn't work for very many people very many times.
Jonette:Sure. By them. Yeah. And and it's just so one-sided, one dimensional, that kind of leadership that follows the numbers and what we were taught in graduate school. And when you bring your spirit there, your heart's there, and then people trust you.
Jonette:They don't trust how much you know. They trust your vulnerability and your willingness to make mistakes and let them make mistakes. So, I mean, what you're weaving together is so important, and it's the calling card of future leaders.
Smoke:Yeah. And and look, we're we're all physical, mental, and spiritual beings. That's that's what we are, and the spiritual part gets either regulated to Sundays and get people who go attend church or just not not paid attention to at all in this modern era. The mental side, I think there's a lot of self help and a lot of psychology and, you know, a lot of work that's been done on the mental side that, you know, I think many in leadership have tapped into pieces of that. But connecting the dots of all three is where the real power lies.
Jonette:So when you say mental, like the psychological things?
Smoke:Yeah. And what we hold in mind tends to happen, and the higher the higher, level of consciousness, the more that is true. So if we are constantly thinking negative thoughts, beating ourselves up, you know, we're our own worst critics typically until we get out of that, you're manifesting the things you're thinking. So or the opposite, you know, if you're thinking big thoughts and positive things and great outcomes that's much more likely to happen.
Jonette:Doctor. Absolutely, I have this kind of scenario to share with you when I was a leadership consultant, I went out on the ledge because it was my company with my husband and we did muscle testing. Here we are in corporations, government, General Motors and when I could I said let's try something, you know, and I had a volunteer come up and said put your arm out and say my name is Bill, but their name is Jack, of course it's weak, and I say your name is Jack and it's strong. So I said okay in front of everybody else let's test that, And so they could tell what's strong and what's weak. And I said, so we're gonna try something.
Jonette:We're gonna have you turn around so you can't see what the audience does. And I'm gonna ask the audience to think good thoughts about you, and maybe they're your co workers right or bad thoughts and we're going to test your arm to see if you're strong or weak. So I do this, this guy knows nothing and when I do this I test him His arm is weak. Mhmm. And what they realize and when and when they're positive, even if they don't say that if they think, my god, that Jack's a jerk.
Jonette:It's gonna impact. He's going to continue to be a jerk. He's going to make more mistakes because your thoughts just changed his abilities.
Smoke:Yeah.
Jonette:So so it's so true. So a leader who holds the best is positive sees the greatest potential even if people screw up is gonna get more and more potential from their people.
Smoke:Yeah. That it really works that way. I I love that you brought that up because I use it all the time, and I believe in it fully because the universe is telling us you know, giving us answers if we just ask. Now as we evolve our discernment and our ability to sense truth and from falsehood and what's real and what's not become better and better. Mhmm.
Smoke:But it's always great to be able to go back and just check something, like, test it and say, is this right? Is this not right? I mean, it even works, like, in big audiences. This has been demonstrated many times. You know, they hold up a envelope blank envelope of, you know, organic vitamin c, and everyone go everyone test strong.
Smoke:And you put in, like, you know, sucralose or some fake some fake sweetener, and everyone test weak. Mhmm. You can hold up a picture of the Buddha in an envelope, and everyone will test strong or Jesus. Mhmm. And you can hold up an envelope of, say, Hitler or some some character from history that, you know, clearly was negative, and everyone tests weak.
Smoke:So it it is unbelievable. And it only works if you're, you know, at a certain level, but it works. It's universal.
Jonette:It works.
Smoke:Doctor. Yeah, it's powerful. So, brought that into the corporate training. Yeah, which kind of blow people away a little bit. Doctor.
Jonette:Because they think that if they're nice to their employee they don't like, it's gonna be okay. Yeah. But if they think he's a screw up, they're gonna keep getting bad results, and that poor employee's gonna be out the door and not know what hit him. What hit him was the attitude of his boss. Yeah.
Smoke:The the a lot of the new thought leaders, kind of late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds, a lot of great writers were tapped into that, and the psychology of mind and what you project becomes reality, and and, you know, I I really took that to heart early in my journey. I was reading a lot of that stuff, and I was like, okay. So if you hold in mind someone who you're having a real problem with, and you all you think about is the how difficult they are, you know, you're mad at what how they're behaving, employee, boss, whatever, you know, it tends to continue in that same pattern. But if you change your you pivot your position, try this. I mean, literally, this with someone who you're having trouble with, and send them love.
Smoke:Send them positive thoughts. Think good things and say, know what? You're great. We're gonna work out. This is gonna this is all gonna work out.
Smoke:It's for the greater good and send love and praise to them mentally.
Jonette:Yeah.
Smoke:You will be amazed at how the interaction goes. It would it'll change the whole dynamic. It doesn't take very long.
Jonette:You know, when I was working with enlightened leadership, my then husband had come up with what he called a framework for leadership, and it was just five questions that refocus you, and honestly we used it for Dell Corporation and they saved millions of dollars within the first few weeks. And and basically the questions are that you you start with, okay, in this situation that's pretty bad, what is working? Mhmm. And we keep saying what's wrong and who's doing it wrong? And when we said what's working, they go, well, there's this one production line that doesn't have the the problems, the inaccuracy and the default.
Jonette:What are they doing differently? And you go ask them, and they don't know what they're doing different because they've always done it that way.
Smoke:Right.
Jonette:But you say, alright. What makes that work? And Charlie will say, well, I just come in a little early and start doing the production line right next to the guy, and he just steps away so we don't have to step it shut it down. And just a million ideas. Yeah.
Jonette:What's working? What makes it work? What's the benefit
Smoke:Mhmm.
Jonette:Of having it work? And then what can we do more of better or differently. So we put it in a structure that people could understand, because they like structures.
Smoke:Well, you know, it's people like Charlie who, had the insight or the consciousness to say, you know what? If I overlap with my next guy, then it'll work smoother. And he just did it on his own, but it doesn't take very many of those Charlie's to connect the dots to create a absolute productive productivity improvement.
Jonette:Yeah. I was brought into an oil company in Indonesia in Sumatra to help them. I mean, I'm a girl. I don't know any of this stuff to help them, save money drilling oil and just by getting the engineers to think differently because engineers are taught to look at the problem and fix it. Millions and millions and millions of dollars they saved and it was their people who figured out how to do it.
Jonette:So that's how leadership and attitude and leadership and, know, you don't call it spirituality there, but it's staying focused on what's good and high rather than the low. Yes.
Smoke:It doesn't mean you don't you ignore deficiencies. Actually, I had a great conversation recently, you know, being forthright and honest means also being able to give direct feedback and be honest about if someone's not being able to perform something and, you know, but to coach them and to help them level up.
Jonette:Yeah.
Smoke:Yeah. So that's really cool. I think it ties to, you know, the when you talk about being effective, it's when you bring in spirit, it's really having alignment. And, you know, a lot of people know the words. They know all the jargon, and they'll say the right things.
Smoke:But energetically, everyone knows if you're if what you're conveying is actually truth.
Jonette:They absolutely know. Right?
Smoke:So if, like, you know and and I asked you a question about shadows. You said, well, you don't focus on shadows. You focus on what's next, and it's great. But a lot of people have, you know, a shadow side at some point in their life or Mhmm. Maybe we all do at some point, and it's about not ignoring it.
Smoke:It's about transcending it and understanding it and and putting your conscious awareness to it. And until you've done that, you haven't really healed yourself. Right? And so if you're not healed, you're not really able to give energetically the the communication you're hoping to achieve with your family, with your loved ones, with your employees or whatever. It's alignment.
Jonette:I think that's so important because sometimes we we think my spiritual growth is that that's not my job. My job is this in my spiritual growth is just my personal thing, but it it's so intersects. You're right. Because if you're not happy and aligned, they can read it immediately and I can listen to you.
Smoke:Yeah, and it affects everything. It affects our own health. You can make it a personal thing, but if you don't have alignment internally, spiritually, mentally, your physical is the output. We're actually the output. When all most of Western medicine, which all the advances are wonderful, and I say use them as appropriate, but it's all whack a mole.
Smoke:It's like, you know, symptoms. It's symptom management. It's like, how do I make the pain go away? How do I make this go away? How do make that?
Smoke:Well, that's not gonna that may solve the symptom, but it isn't gonna solve the underlying thing. And when we read about or hear about or meet people who have literally what what many would call miracle cures, you know, they're they're healing from cancer, they're hearing healing from all kinds of things, it's because of this. They've aligned their spirit, mind, and and as a result, their physical ailments tend to heal themselves.
Jonette:Doctor. You know, mean that's why I wrote my second book. After the first one, was never going to write another one again, but I had to, which is soul body fusion because I found I had a lovely life up here, but I hadn't, you know, wasn't that grounded and so it's that same kind of alignment with your spirit with the higher aspects really into your body and then everything's automatic your light just automatically shines Good things happen, bad things fall away. Yeah. And you don't make them happen.
Smoke:Right. Yeah. You you make them happen by your who you have become by your beingness.
Jonette:That's right. Really well said. Yeah.
Smoke:Yeah. No. And I I did your the soul body
Jonette:Fusion. Fusion. Yeah.
Smoke:You had you have a couple things on your website. Yeah. Yeah. Where so I I did the
Jonette:Uh-huh.
Smoke:Meditation and did it a few times and, like because I because I've been working on that. It's I think I was quite in my mind doing a lot of meditation and a lot of, getting a lot of insights, but it was very cerebral. It was very up here. And over the last, say, I don't know, six months, I've been working much more on embodying and being, like, in my feet, not noticing my feet, actually being in them, being in my knees, in my hips, being in my body, and in so doing, it's like it's it's it's really made a shift. So it was consistent with that.
Jonette:You know, you said something very helpful. I think when we are first on a spiritual growth, it tends to be cerebral. I want answers. I want clarity and it's there. So you made the shift to go.
Jonette:Okay, this is all nice. I have better thoughts. I'm happier, but the embodiment is when you're now a stronger battery, so you can just manifest things are attracted to you that just being clear about them and happy doesn't do it. That step that
Smoke:Which is why you're here because I obviously obviously have embodied and manifested that Jeanette would be here in Sedona with me, and we would be doing the smoke trail, which is fun. So alright. Now let's get a little wacky because we right now, we've been kind of corporate speak a little bit Alright. Little little bit of easy stuff. But more on the on the edge of what I think people understand to be reality, you started getting messages first from one spirit and then later from another, and you can get them both.
Smoke:Right? So Right. Explain that a little bit. Like, tell tell me what you mean by that, what and who these beings are, and how how they're related to you.
Jonette:Okay. How it happened was I was always stressed at my job when I was living in Sydney, Australia. So someone said you should go to a meditation group because I could not meditate on my own. Would just not do it and they said it's easier to meditate in a group. Okay, sign me up.
Jonette:So I go to this spiritualist church. I don't know what a spiritualist church is, but I learned they believe in spirits and but they had a free meditation class, but they didn't put me in the free meditation class, they put me in the spiritual development class which I fought against, but they said no you belong there and I walk in and these women who meet once a week they were channeling spirit guides now as a former Catholic I believe in guardian angels so spirit guides were okay and sometimes they would see things, they would talk. Well, in this class all of a sudden I would see things that would come true or I would say something and I'm going, wait, who is that and why is she saying that stuff? So because I trusted that it was a safe place. So that's how Doctor.
Smoke:So that started opening up
Smoke:your ability of right. So Doctor. Possibility of it.
Smoke:So, I want to keep on track, I'm just going ask this side question. Doctor. Okay. So when you when people channel and they connect with say guardian angels or spirit, whatever you want to call it, they're communicating all the time, but we're not listening all the time.
Jonette:They're not communicating all the time.
Smoke:They could
Jonette:be. They're not online when they're not needed.
Smoke:So
Jonette:what happened
Smoke:But in sometimes they're communicating and we're not listening. Is that true?
Jonette:And sometimes they're communicating and we're not listening.
Smoke:But they're not always communicating. No. But we are not always listening either. Help me understand that for someone who is new to that whole realm.
Jonette:So, in that class, when I was sitting there trying to meditate, I saw this American Indian, and I'm thinking I'm living in Sydney, American Indians are cool here in Sedona, and he was white headdress, and I go, why are you here? And he turned into a white eagle, a bird, and I go, okay. Maybe you're my spirit guide, and you're telling me your name's White Eagle. So that was exactly it. So White Eagle has been my spirit guide since, like, 1984, a long
Smoke:guys were popular.
Jonette:Yeah. They certainly weren't popular.
Smoke:They weren't born on YouTube, because there wasn't a YouTube. So I don't know I don't know where they've been around forever, but it hasn't become mainstream or
Jonette:You couldn't talk about it without getting, you know, the the men in
Smoke:the back. Be you'd be kind of undercover. Yeah,
Jonette:but so I would do then meditate and I'd say alright if you're my spirit guide come and help me meditate or bring me energies of peace. They don't always talk sometimes at least for me. I didn't need words. I needed something to calm me down and ground me and bring me home to myself. So just channeling white Eagle got beautiful words, but it changed it changed my frequency patterns and grounded me.
Jonette:So so that partnership has gotten me lighter and lighter and lighter, and then, like, five years later, White Eagle wanted a partner to help me because must I must have been a tough case.
Smoke:Like, need a team here. So You need a team. This one's tough. Come on. I need probably one of his friends.
Jonette:I called Mark.
Smoke:Yeah.
Jonette:And I don't know how the name came. Maybe I was just so high when the energy came. I could only say, Mark, you know, like a cough or something. So for thirty five years I've been channeling Mark who wasn't an Indian, wasn't human, and his job is to help me go to higher and higher levels of consciousness to kind of open the gates in a non religious way, because these these gates to higher dimensions have been opened by Catholic mystics or or or Jewish mystics, Kabbalah or know Indian Gurus.
Smoke:Yeah.
Jonette:But because I'm just such an ordinary person there weren't that many doors open that didn't have any religious pathways you had to follow. And so that's kind of my work is to open doorways that don't have any bells and whistles that it doesn't matter what you believe. The doorways are there for everybody. So that's what I'm doing now, and it's so much fun. It's much more fun than business was.
Smoke:Yeah. Yeah. I know it.
Jonette:It's not it doesn't pay as well. I have to say, but it's more fun.
Smoke:Yeah. Well yeah. No. Look. I I'm having a lot of fun with this.
Smoke:I still have fun in in business, but it's it was been deemphasized in terms of priority for me. But but, no, I have I have a lot of fun. Otherwise, I don't do it. Yeah. The things I'm working on are really cool and fun.
Smoke:I told you I sold a brewery in Nepal to Carlsberg this summer, which, you know, that was just cool. Fun. That was just that was cool. It was like because my old industry, I know that industry well, but doing a business deal in Nepal with a European company, all our legal documents were Singapore. And, you know, I got to go visit Buddha's birthplace and, you know, see all kinds of really cool things.
Smoke:So it was just a really fun experience, and it worked out well for the client. It worked out well for the buyer, and I got to, you know, learn learn something and along the way.
Jonette:Can do.
Smoke:So that that kind of business is is fun. Like, the kind that is a grind, no. I don't, you know, wanna do that anymore. I did that plenty of time.
Jonette:And are you seeing executives saying, I don't want this grind anymore. I want to do something more self fulfilling.
Smoke:So what I what I see in my circles and, you know, I spend a lot of time with business leaders, entrepreneurs. My I guess my friend group would be, like, YPO type people, run their own companies. I see a a growing number of them who are seeking meaning, seeking more significance, seeking purpose. They've been very successful financially. They've had a lot of accomplishments.
Smoke:They may have a great family. They they might have kind of it all if you looked at it on paper, and yet they're like, well, is that it? What else is there? Is there more? And I think, that I'm seeing more and more.
Smoke:Like, just in the last five years, it's been tremendous, the number of people. And so we have networks in YPO. YPO's got 35,000 members of CEOs. It was only 5,000 when I joined, so it's like growing a lot. It's all over the world, and there's the real estate network and the construction network and the beverage, you know, hospitality, there's all industries, and then there's all these other networks, and there's like health and wellness, and there's a psychedelics group, There's a there the health and wellness group does a lot of stuff with meditation retreats, and the my friend Seth, who was on the program a little while back, just led a group to Bhutan.
Smoke:And, you know, he spent two weeks there, you know, doing all kinds of amazing things. So I see that as where everyone's going, and Yeah. It's not everyone, but it's a large number. The thing about why yeah. All groups have an energy.
Smoke:They have a a certain energy level, whether it's
Jonette:Call it a signature, and you can feel it.
Smoke:Yeah. And so if, you know, I say I use this example, but if you grew up in a tough neighborhood, you grew up in poverty, and your friend group started doing shoplifting and then started doing other crimes, and then you go to juvie, and, you know, your your friend group there becomes your friend group. You come out. Your odds of continuing your path to crime and and a life in that direction go up and up, and the probabilities of you getting out of that go down and down. Anyone can change at any time.
Smoke:It's a free world, but but I think the energy group that you hang out with matters a lot. So you think about the groups you're in or, you know, over time, and I think about things that were positive influences for me as a kid, like Boy Scouts was a really positive thing, wrestling was a really positive thing. So things like that were were, like, cohesive in the right direction, and then there were other groups that I was involved with that were the wrong direction. It was party groups or whatever that was just totally the wrong wrong side of things. So YPO is a group that is a very very high calibrating energy field.
Smoke:Yep. So, you know, if if we looked at, like, the Hawkins scale, like, it's in the three hundreds to
Jonette:Mhmm.
Smoke:You know, some people are in lower four hundreds, which is, willingness, acceptance. You're you're they're not focused on negative stuff. They're focused on, like, how do I improve? So it's self improvement. Yeah.
Smoke:So a lot of stuff is, like Risk taking. Yeah. Definitely risk taking, but it's also like, how do I become a better leader? How do I become a better father? Better better spouse?
Smoke:A lot of self help related things in it. So that's that's a high level starting point.
Jonette:Mhmm.
Smoke:But what I'm seeing is people saying, okay. It's not just about how do I become a better person. It's, is there more? What is there? What is that?
Smoke:You know, so that's I'm seeing that a lot more and more.
Jonette:And what I found is so much more came once I really did that soul body fusion and embodied who I am because I had this life and I had this life and once I brought it together it's like my magnetism changed and good things would just show up in my periphery without any effort at all. The manifestation and magnetization I didn't even ask for it just happened because I was more present. The big me was here. I think that's an important part for people is to ground their spirit and their spirituality outside their head.
Smoke:Yeah.
Jonette:And you can feel it. It changes your energy field. You know, you feel your little capillaries opening up.
Smoke:Doctor. Yeah. It's the subtle energies, right? And it's, you know, these that are I didn't know I didn't wasn't consciously aware of them until I became aware of them. Right?
Smoke:And it takes practice. It's like muscles that we don't Mhmm. It's like meditation. It's a muscle that we don't use. Once we discover it, it takes practice, and you build it up, and then you go, oh, now I can I can meditate?
Smoke:I can meditate on a loud on a noisy plane. I can meditate in Times Square. I I I basically walk around in contemplative state, which is essentially meditation or waking meditation, and I'm walking around like that a lot of times.
Jonette:And so many more people are, so I mean you can probably tell just in the last three years that what they call the field, the consciousness field is getting brighter, stronger, more magnetic. So people are popping open spiritually and emotionally very quickly. It's kind of like popcorn, you know, you sit it in your microwave and it takes a lot of heat and it's cold, it's dark and hard, and then all of a sudden they all pop open, and that's that's what I'm kinda seeing in consciousness and
Smoke:Yeah. I was one of those kernels that was, like, stuck in the corner of the pan, and it had to be it had to be microwaved and cooked and boiled, and then and then eventually, like, if you're like, that thing's dead, and then a poop.
Jonette:And then it's a totally different being.
Smoke:Yeah. Well, some people would say that. Yeah.
Jonette:Yeah. But but the field now is really supporting people in just opening up.
Smoke:So explain that a little bit. What do we mean by that? And when we talk about the field and consciousness in general and how it's, you know, we hear, you know, lots of in the the in the spiritual community, like, you know, rising vibration of the earth and people and stuff. What do we mean by that? What are we talking about?
Jonette:Well, know, what we know of our world is this much and the spectrum is this much.
Smoke:Yeah.
Jonette:So so our individual cells are kind of the shell of the unpop popcorns opening up, and then once that opens up, it entices others to open up and the field gets more and more beautiful. You've got a bowl of white popcorn instead of that and it's it's accelerating at a geometric rate the opportunities for consciousness. I mean I see people, do personal sessions with people. I've seen people that are enlightened and they they I just see it because I see them in oneness field. They're normal people and when we're done with this session, they're still the same normal person, but they became the field.
Jonette:They let go of self and all the self traumas and miseries and they became that, and yeah they'll go back to themselves, but that that has permanently changed them.
Smoke:Yeah.
Jonette:So they're not going to go back the same way.
Smoke:Yeah.
Jonette:And if you think there's millions of people all over the world, mean my books in 13 languages, I get calls from China. People everywhere, even where you wouldn't expect them are opening up in that field, that that magnetic come up here, folks. It's easier up here. It's just dynamite now. It's so great.
Smoke:That's awesome. And, you know yeah. Because I think even when we connect with the bigger consciousness and our we raise our own, you know, we're we're still individual beings in this realm.
Jonette:Mhmm.
Smoke:And we still have a personality. We still have the ego traits that develop, you know, because of separation, because of the the challenges that we had growing up, we had to build these capabilities. It's just they're different now. They're they're like, my ability to speak, my ability to do a show, my ability to write and communicate came out of a child who wasn't heard and no one would listen, and and I was like, you know, why not? Why not?
Smoke:So I became really good at that. Now in a different a different embodiment, a different level, I still have those skills, those capabilities, and now I'm just using them for other things, you know, but, you still have access to them. You're just not doing it because you have to.
Jonette:Right, right. There's just such a there's an invitation now out there that's unspoken and I think if people just follow wherever, you know, well, I'm gonna watch that podcast or I'm gonna read that book that someone just said. They will be guided and they will be opened up and it doesn't matter what religion they are or their belief or no religion. It doesn't matter. Human consciousness is awake.
Jonette:I actually did a class today three fifty people showed up because it was free.
Smoke:That's still awesome. That's great. And
Jonette:what I told them because I'm seeing it is we've been on these wheels of karma where we had to learn things and if we did something bad we had to repay it this time, but if you can imagine that wheel of karma going clockwise here and then there's a point here where it could go around again, but it isn't it's going on a whole another circle that's going counterclockwise, which is the feminine direction and we're at this Nexus point where some people will go around the old way, which is karma and other people are totally escaping karma and going around in a different direction.
Smoke:Yeah.
Jonette:And the ones who escape who are in karma and they can't get out because their oppression has been so hard or their traumas are so hard. They're just kind of when they die, they're just going to go in this oneness field and hang out there for a while until the world is holier and better and then they'll try to come back. But I'm seeing the energy of consciousness making karma obsolete, which I never even imagined. So that's going to hurry up everyone's growth.
Smoke:Yeah, well that's I guess that's good news in many ways. Is that kind of what what people think about as like a timeline split?
Jonette:Yes. Yeah. People do talk about timeline splits, and of course, there's not just one timeline, but that's a good way to see it that the timelines that keep going around in circles are ending, and these new timelines that give possibilities unknown are beginning to open up.
Smoke:Yeah. Yeah.
Smoke:Yeah. But but karma's karma is real. Karma is is the way the universe, you know, in different traditions, they call it different things. You know? But, you know, it's it is, you know, basically, the things that you put out come back to you.
Smoke:And if you and the lessons that you haven't learned, you gotta get repeated, and if you don't learn them, you know, at some point, they make them harder until you have to learn them.
Jonette:Except
Smoke:Yeah.
Jonette:That's from the individual's perspective, but as consciousness grows we're more of a group conscious. I mean we still live as an individual, but we have more of our awareness in, wait I'm a lot more than just Johnette. So Johnette doesn't have to keep doing that because the this field is more than Johnette has already accomplished it. So we don't so we don't have to keep learning it anymore. Well,
Smoke:alright, so that makes sense to me when the time of the Buddha twenty six hundred years ago, the level of consciousness in humanity was, like, at 90 or 80 or something. So and it was very low.
Jonette:Mhmm.
Smoke:That's, like, that's very low. Like, there's a lot of animals and wildlife that are higher than that. Right? Right. So I think the the what's the dragon lizard thing called?
Smoke:The that's down, like, down in, like, Madagascar or someplace. You know, those those I forget what they call it. Anyway, they're they're they're really mean dragon lizard dragon things. Like like, I'm drawing a blank at the name of it, but those guys calibrate at, like, 70 or something
Jonette:Okay.
Smoke:Which is kinda where Hitler calibrated. So it's, like, really low. But so that was the back then. By the time Jesus came along, you know, the world calibrated a little bit higher, but it was, like, at a 100. Mhmm.
Smoke:Still really low.
Jonette:Mhmm.
Smoke:So you had one being who became fully enlightened and affected the whole world, but you had such a low level overall. Mhmm. Today, you know, the the calibration level of of the world is at, you know, over 200. Right? It's moving up, and it and it's I've checked a couple times, and it's it's moving it's moved up a lot from the time Hawkins wrote his
Jonette:books. And
Smoke:so it doesn't take very many people to get you don't have to become the Buddha, but it doesn't take too many people to become at a certain level of enlightenment to affect the entire field because we have more of us doing it. Is that absolutely
Jonette:that's the field. The field is now kind of doing the work so that the individuals don't have to so much. Mean they have to, but some the karma is too heavy, you know, they were so beat up they can't get through it and they're still saved. They're saved by the field, they're not damned because they had a hard round.
Smoke:Well, that's good news for some bad people. People. Yeah. Pretty pretty people who have made made choices of, separation and, self, the little self, as their their choice. And we all are in a free we are sovereign beings, and the way this realm has been created, we have choices.
Smoke:And the choices it's not what will work or what the outcome is gonna be, but the choices at every point in time. Do you choose love or faith, or do you choose fear? And it it's basically, like and the outcome of that will be based on which one did you choose.
Jonette:And those are the two timelines?
Smoke:Those are two timelines. Mhmm. Yeah. So the so White Eagle Mhmm. And Mark, they've been you've been channeling those two characters for a long time.
Jonette:Five years.
Smoke:Yeah. Three to
Jonette:five maybe.
Smoke:Which is Yeah. Awesome. And and but there's been a lot of teachings that have come through you from them.
Jonette:Mhmm.
Smoke:Yeah. And so there these are just what we're talking about is consistent with everything that they've shared. It's just been gradual, because it in the eighties, it was a lot lower, than it is today, so probably the information they were giving was appropriate for that time.
Jonette:So like today. Yeah. My my class was the thirteenth dimension. I mean most of us are around here in the in the fourth and fifth dimension, but the higher beings and the higher part of the field is preparing the thirteenth dimension, is kind of we've been in cycles of twelve twelve year, you know, 12 zodiac signs, twelve hours to the day, twelve months, and that's been linear and what's happening now in the higher consciousness is those 12 are kind of exploding or imploding into one. But so there's this oneness field that wasn't available before, but it's not oneness that has no differentiation in it.
Jonette:It's oneness that has a two and a three, you know, if you look at a clock and twelve, it's got all the differentiation and it's still oneness. So that's where humanity's been climbing to. We had probably oneness when God you know said let there be light and then we've had diversification diversification and now that separation is coming back, but it's not going to implode into the same oneness, it's going to implode into a oneness that includes the diversification and that hasn't happened in humanity ever.
Smoke:Yeah, so it's like, consciousness is, you know, forced separation which forced these little individual consciousnesses, to compensate for the that separation and and therefore learn. It's how consciousness learns. And so as we raise the overall consciousness and there and there's this coming back together, you don't lose all that learning. So all these things that have happened along the way, you learn the things and that's how consciousness grows. That's my understanding Totally.
Smoke:At this
Jonette:point of
Smoke:the game, subject to change at any time because I every time I learn something new, I realize there's new things to learn. So
Jonette:It'd be boring if there wasn't. Well, I want to talk because just this was something I just channeled a week ago from White Eagle. I was doing a personal session, and White Eagle came in, and she actually typed up some of it, and it's about being this versus doing this. So it's a few paragraphs. Can I Yeah?
Smoke:Yeah. Please. Alright.
Smoke:Awesome.
Jonette:So, being this is an irrevocable right. However, humankind has been subjugated by being enticed out of their beingness into their doing this, missions, their roles, their purposes. So, because we've all been let me find my purpose. Our embodied beingness has sometimes become an empty shell while we leave it to do things and accomplish things and own things. The call now is to return into being so fully embodied that communication becomes telepathic and knowingness instantly spreads through the hive.
Jonette:And he goes on to say meaningfulness is in the expression of each one's unique beingness and it's never at the cost of someone else's beingness which is a really important thing to remember. The world you have inherited has been one of manipulation where truth is not so easily known. When you do find truth it has no bells or whistles or explanations as to why it's true. It's true because it is so. And Whitey going on to say, so when people want to do something because the because is always a flag that the doing something isn't coming from their presence.
Jonette:Because presence has no because it just does something. There's one more bit. He says, it's why the yogis say it's realization not attainment. And realization happens when all the false things fall away and you realize you are pure joy all the time. And so what I'm finding is more and more people I know like you, you're in joy all the time.
Jonette:That's the indication of our success as a human being. So, you know, I want the people who are listening to know that it's okay to be joyful because we've had this old thing that you had to suffer to be good. Had to be, you know,
Smoke:saint. And and whatever.
Jonette:To be a saint, you had to be have been killed. Yeah.
Smoke:Yeah. I think I think, first of all, I I really everything everything I heard resonated. It sounded like, okay. Yeah. That yes.
Smoke:Check. Check. Check. I mean, I could test it and test positive because I I already know it. It's like Yeah.
Smoke:Yeah. Which I love. But, you know, I think the the sometimes people who think about a spiritual path at some point or start exploring it, they think they have there's models out there. Right? So you have the asceticism, you know, and there's different traditions that have had certain, you know, views on things.
Smoke:And and look, the monasteries overall work. Right? Like, you know, if you if you eliminate all temptation and you're you're with necessary. You're with a bunch of spiritual people and you're all working on the same thing, the odds of you, you know, moving up the conscious scale are much higher, like, because you're in that environment. Most of us in today's era, you know, are not gonna do that.
Smoke:We're we're living in the modern world. So how do we do it and do it and live in the world? And that's the challenge of today. It's it's yeah. I mean, there's still very great uses.
Smoke:The monasteries have helped maintain the earth. They held They held it together? We were they continued to, to some degree. But now it's really a different challenge. It's really how do you embody it and live your life, and we have an airplane going over, but that's okay.
Smoke:So I think that's, you know, again, it's a misconception. Asceticism, you know, refraining from different foods or sex or, you know, various other things, it can be useful at some point along the way, but it's more about the ability to not be attached to things. So if you can drop the attachment
Jonette:to be poor.
Smoke:Right. If no. And and it's it's so I'm not attached I am attached to beauty, and I really I really do. I I have to say, like, I'm really attached to beauty, and I I it is what it is. But if if I had to be in some other place, I'd still be happy and joyful.
Smoke:I'm just even more joyful here. I'm saying it for the
Jonette:You can walk with a backpack in the woods of Australia and own very little and be so joyful. So it's nice to know that we can do both.
Smoke:Absolutely. Absolutely. But so but it's really the attachment to it. So it's like so if you're, you know, attached to if sex drives you, like, where you're you you can't make choices because you have to do, then then it's okay. Maybe maybe a break would be a really good thing to learn that discipline.
Smoke:If drinking or food or, you know, other it doesn't matter what it
Jonette:is. Yes.
Smoke:It's the attachment to it. So in in moderation, it's not even moderation. It's where you can take it or leave it. You
Jonette:know? That's yeah.
Smoke:And and I can take it or leave it. Like, I do I like a I like a great steak, and if I don't have one, it's fine. And if I have one, it's fine. If I'm watching something I'm really involved with or reading a book or really involved and I get interrupted, it's okay. I don't care.
Smoke:I just like I'm like, I'll come back to it or get back. It's like that was different not that long ago for me. So Okay.
Jonette:You know, like see milestones to see Well,
Smoke:it's funny, like, you I think we don't just as we're the worst critics to ourselves internally as as we evolve, as we make progress, I think it's it's, common that we don't appreciate how much progress we've made.
Jonette:Right.
Smoke:Right? Like, we don't notice it, but people notice it. Right? So I'm thinking like, I I'm like I'm like, so I'm still just I'm, like, working on this, working on that, working my plan, working my things, and, you know, doing my thing. And I'm just me, and I don't really notice the differences as much.
Smoke:Right? Then other people will say, oh, well, I remember when this was the way you were. Okay. I don't remember that. It like, it goes away.
Jonette:So non attachment is an important part, but I think if someone asked me what's the most important step in expanding your your spiritual knowing, I would say what how you started meditation is to quiet yourself and you know go go to a class or something do it in a group. It's easier to learn to meditate in a group because they hold the field, but I think all the gifts I have started because I was crazy out there extrovert when I learned to meditate. Mhmm. And so that's what I would say start there.
Smoke:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it and it really is a because I was nature was meditating for decades without me and trying to get me to it. I would do it every once in a while, but I'm like, what's what is the point
Jonette:of this? Right.
Smoke:My my mind's on deals and this, that, and the other thing. But once you get past that, you push through that, and you can quiet your mind. What you realize is your mind is cluttering up the field, so you're not you can't you're not aware of what everything else. And so it's about just settling that mind down enough to where you can realize other things, which is all around you all the time, and we're just not listening because we're cluttering up with our with our monkey minds.
Jonette:Have a good picture for that that my guide gave me. He says, know, we have our heart here and that's lovely. We have our head and then our spirits there. He said, so our head thinks it has to add, adjudicate everything between our heart and our spirit. It has to understand and my guide says, so they're still connected, but move your head here so at least your heart has a direct connection to spirit that doesn't have to go through your head, your head and your heart are still connected and that has helped me so many times.
Jonette:I realized I wasn't going to spirit because I didn't my head couldn't go there. We'll just move it out of the way.
Smoke:Yeah, that's good. That's really good. Yeah, because we well, I'll say I'll speak firsthand, like so my mind wants to interpret everything, mind wants to explain everything, and that, you know, it's why I've read 400 books and and try to understand all this stuff because I needed to understand it. That was just part of to quiet my mind, I needed to have the models. I needed to understand it.
Jonette:Okay.
Smoke:And so that but that was that was part of my process is, okay. I needed to have a so I could look across the traditions. I could Yeah. See what I'm as I was experiencing something, but I was like, what is this? Right.
Smoke:And so how do I I didn't have words for it. I didn't know what alchemy meant. I didn't know all these things. I'm like, oh, I did that. Like, when I once I understood, oh, what is alchemy?
Smoke:Oh oh, okay. That's what I that's what I did here. I had soul retrieval, you know, and I was like, oh, yeah. I did that. I I was reading it in my one of my teachers, Yvonne Rados, who's an awesome mystic guy.
Smoke:He's up in British Columbia, but he, he's he does great work, especially clearing helping you clear trauma and things.
Jonette:Oh, yeah.
Smoke:And so I I did a bunch of stuff with him. But I was reading one of his books, and I was like, I read this whole section on soul retrieval. I'm like, that's what we did. Like, we did it to you know, I did it with him.
Jonette:Humanistic way.
Smoke:But it but it was like, oh, okay. Because your soul will be like, okay. You left me part of me over here and part of me over here. You left part of me with that person because you gave them power. And as you as you bring that back, that soul retrieval, it's coming back to one.
Jonette:I would remind people to let their heart choose because they could go crazy thinking, oh, should I do this? Should I do hypnosis? Should I? I mean there's so many offerings especially in Sedona. There's a zillion really good practitioners and then we get manic about finding our way.
Jonette:So I would say, know, quiet, think of three things you want to do, feel into that one, is it that one, this one, or this one, so that we don't become manic and obsessive about our spiritual growth because we we can. We can go through that, and especially if people are new and they want it now.
Smoke:Right. Well, like, I I went at this with an author's lens.
Jonette:Yeah. Exactly.
Smoke:So so as I'm writing my book about it, you know, like, like, part of it is like, Well, yeah, I did take that approach. I was like, okay. Well, what what is it? I didn't oh, I didn't even realize this was like, this is oh, this is what we're supposed to be doing. So and, like, well, what do I need to know?
Smoke:Hence, the reading and the study. What do I need to do? Okay. The practices, the meditation. And so for me, it was all about understanding it and embodying it, but putting it together in, like, how an entrepreneur would do it, which can sound not the way the most most spiritual people operate, but it's the way I think, and it's the way it just worked for me.
Jonette:And your community.
Smoke:Doctor. Yeah. So it can work to that, you know, super successful CEO person, know, it's a pathway. It's one of many.
Jonette:Doctor. So I'm wondering if we can spend a few minutes and I can do a soul body fusion on the people who are watching this because it doesn't have to be one on one, it doesn't have to be real time Gazelka: because that will give them a taste of what it feels like to be embodied.
Smoke:Let's do it. Alright. Halena And
Smoke:I'm going to do it to the Doctor.
Smoke:Yeah, well I'm just going to follow your lead. I'm going to follow your lead.
Jonette:Doctor. So, don't know how this works, it's just so amazing, but I invite everybody to have their hands open as if you're receiving your spirit your higher self and I'm going to have my hands down as if I'm kind of holding you on the planet and and we're just it works just by intention. And so just take a couple deep breaths everyone and imagine that the part of your spirit that's been disembodied and we all have it, it's gonna come more and more into your body. And you just feel your body, see if you feel any heat, tingling in the hands is most common, and it's fine if you feel nothing. So we're gonna do it for a few minutes.
Jonette:Be in your body with the intention. Soul body fusion, your spirit, your higher self. Your brain's job is just to check-in on your body and see if it feels anything different. Notice that there's a stillness that comes over you and into you. Your hard edges melt as your spirit just moves in more and more.
Jonette:Sometimes people feel pain, and that's fine, your soul will never hurt you. Your soul is endless, so you have been living with your soul inside yourself. But as we move into these new times, you can hold more and more of the higher dimensions and the higher frequencies. And that's what you're taking on now. Stay present in your body.
Jonette:Check on your feet, your hands. It's just your intention, you might feel nothing at all. I'll do this for that one more minute. Notice that your head is quieter and you can actually feel inside your feet, feel inside your hips. Everything starts with presence.
Jonette:Meditation helps open you and clear you, but presence brings that into your body where we can make a difference. So if you have time, you can pause this and spend a few more minutes. Usually I do ten minutes and then I take a little pause and I do ten more minutes. And it's just your intention to be more whole and see what happens. And it doesn't always happen right away, but I've had thousands of stories of amazing changes when people brought their spirit into their body.
Jonette:So thank you. Thank you. Yeah.
Smoke:I had energy going, like, in the top of my head and in, like, coming in.
Jonette:Uh-huh. Uh-huh. So that shows you're already used to it. So people who haven't done it much, they don't feel anything at all. I have one story, and I don't know if you even wanna include that, but I got a call from an American veteran who said, Jeanette, I was in Iraq.
Jonette:I'm totally messed up. I'm on all these drugs because I'm having visions and seeing things and remembering when I was in a firefight. And he said, my counselor said you can help me. And I said, come on over. So this American army vet from the Iraq war comes over and I do a soul body fusion.
Jonette:He immediately becomes like this enlightened being he looks like I don't know like raw would be and and I'm blown away and my goal was he was in this MK Ultra this super signature program He was implanted with things that would make him you know be able to kill 30 people all at once and my goal was to disempower those implants. It worked. So the next time I did a soul body fusion I was being watched. I walk out of the house after I'd worked with Anthony and there's a surveillance truck outside my quiet neighborhood with a huge satellite dish. They weren't even trying to hide listening to see what I did that unhooked Anthony Mhmm.
Jonette:From all of his stuff. So it is powerful.
Smoke:Yeah. That's terrible. And all that stuff is real. And we won't we won't go down that rabbit hole today, but there's all the things that you think are conspiracies are probably you know, we're seeing every day, and then, you know, these things are being revealed. And that's part of the waking up of the planet.
Smoke:Yeah.
Smoke:It's that it's like when when I wanted peace and love, the things that were in between that had to come up and serve as those were my shadows. What's happening is now the the shadows of Earth. So the Uh-huh. Untruthfulness, the fake things that institutions, politicians, all this stuff, it's all surfacing. They can't hide it anymore.
Smoke:And so it's like, it's getting uncomfortable for those that are committed to that Mhmm. That realm, that or that direction. They're going to fight hard, you know, to prevent it, but they can't.
Jonette:The light has already won. Goodness and oneness is really the only field. So everything else has been a detour. Yeah, it's going to be, my guides say it's going to be a rough few years.
Smoke:Yeah.
Jonette:But they're calling it a soft awakening because I think a few years ago, you know, destruction might have been in our cards. It is not in our cards. It's gonna be a soft awakening.
Smoke:That's definitely
Jonette:but a rocky, but not destruction. Yeah.
Smoke:It's a all change can be rocky, but you know, that's all the more reason to, work on yourself, work on your own practice, get yourself first in the best place you can be because you're of no use to anyone else if you aren't you aren't yourself embodied and healed. You're you're you're you really can't help anyone else, but you can help people if you become that, so it's just it's the beingness. It's, you know, be who you're meant to be.
Jonette:And then you're really a leader. Yeah. And you're a leader without opening your mouth because they can feel it.
Smoke:Yeah. That's awesome. Well, Jeanette, thank you so much. Thank you. This is awesome.
Jonette:Fun, and I love your studio.
Smoke:We're gonna we're gonna have to have a part two to go deeper into some of the stories. I didn't even get into some of the crazy adventures and the stuff. I mean, you've done the Himalayas, and you've done South America. You've done all these crazy things.
Jonette:Spend in 90 countries and often leading groups.
Smoke:Yeah. No. You've got and, you're, like, Indiana Jones in a female body, that spiritual spirituality of the things.
Jonette:Indiana Jones.
Smoke:But, anyway, this was awesome. Thank you. Thanks for thanks for coming, and we'll we'll definitely do it again.
Jonette:Thank you.
Smoke:And get the book. Well, both books.
Smoke:First. Alright.
Smoke:I'm gonna hold them up.
Jonette:I'll hold up this one.
Smoke:I'll put them in the I'll put it in the video too, but, you know, these are this one is fascinating. This is my next read Yeah. Here, but we'll we'll we'll continue the process.
Jonette:Such a normal person who is a business person who just kind of became more open. So So you'll relate.
Smoke:Everybody who, you know, became enlightened, at some point wasn't a normal person at some point.
Jonette:Yeah.
Smoke:And then they became enlightened in different ways, and we put them on a pedestal because, wow, it's like they
Jonette:To make it unattainable to us.
Smoke:Yeah. And I think it's attainable to to everyone, but it takes it takes consistency.
Jonette:Mhmm.
Smoke:Mhmm. Takes the doing the work. Right? So, anyway, awesome. Alright.
Smoke:Thank you. Thank you.