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and what is going on
everybody welcome to
chopping it up with coach
crispy cream special
edition as he just finished
the north no not north the
west north america west
semifinals where athlete
hattie can you who nobody
nobody knew about nobody knew nobody knew
Qualified for the CrossFit Games.
If only a media outlet would
have interviewed her or her
coach in the last year so
that we could have known.
Could have known she was out there.
Yeah, but nobody knew.
Nobody knew how to pronounce her name.
Oh, dude.
Nobody knew who she was.
Nobody knew that she was a
firefighter at one time.
Nobody knew any of that stuff.
Yeah.
If only.
It's crazy.
If only.
Um, so with that,
you also had a couple other
athletes there, a couple of teams.
Yeah.
So let's,
let's break down what happened at
North America semifinals and,
and we'll get into the full like glory.
That is what happened with
Hattie over the weekend and
how she kicked ass, uh,
in everything she did.
Um, Corey, Corey said,
I feel like I knew
everybody who listens to
this show should have at
least known she existed.
Right.
And I know is in the chat too.
Kenneth was here for the
Bali shows like every week.
So Kenneth, Kenneth knows, um,
some of us knew some of us did know.
Um, so let's start with team.
You had a couple of teams in the mix.
Yeah,
so I didn't have any teams in the
West that I fully coached.
One of our Ascend coaches
owns an affiliate here in Houston,
the other side of Houston from me,
CrossFit Man Made.
They had two teams.
and I individually coach one
of the men on one of the teams,
Man Made Red.
So I was there just
generally assisting them
and then also helping him
as much as I could through
the team events.
And then Madison McElhaney
and Taylor Patterson,
I coached both of them,
and they were on CrossFit, COTA,
Iron View.
So that was the team side of the house.
So...
like I said not a full team
that I had coached
throughout the season or
anything like that but I
had worked with them you
know all through
quarterfinals and stuff
like that was just trying
to be as helpful as I could
so so how did how did that
go down was it less
pressure filled because you
you weren't the only coach
of that team-ish or was it
just as pressure filled
Yeah,
it was a little less pressure filled.
Um, the two man-made teams, their,
their goal for the season
was to make semifinals.
So them, you know,
we weren't going in with
games aspirations or anything like that.
So that was a little bit
less stress in that sense,
like just wanting them to
perform as best as they could.
And then Madison's team,
they did have games aspirations.
Um,
And so that was just different.
Like I,
I didn't know the boys strengths
and weaknesses intimately.
Um, you know, they're super fit dudes,
but I, rather than when I have a team,
I coach fully.
I try to kind of help call the plays with,
you know,
maybe the person who fills that
team captain role.
And there's always discussion,
but I try to really help
them fully strategize.
Whereas for this,
it was a little more conversation,
seeing if they needed anything,
helping where I could,
little technical things,
and then just really making sure,
you know,
Taylor and Madison were squared away.
So I would say a little less
pressure than if I had coached, you know,
a full team with
of four um but I still
wanted them to do as best
they could and you've been
coaching madison for over a
year now yes they they just
missed 12th place yep um so
they were a little bit out
but um I had a little bobble on
we just,
we fell behind in that overhead
squad event kind of early.
Um,
just couldn't make up the ground on the
burpee workout, the point deficit.
So the running workout hurt
him a little bit.
Madison and Taylor are,
neither of them would claim
to be track stars.
Um, Madison has made, and, and she would,
I think agree with this.
Her endurance has made leaps
and bounds in the last year.
Um,
Much to her disdain because
I don't let her touch a
barbell very often and I
make her run and do a lot of burpees.
But we've done what we needed to do.
She complexed 215 still
leading up to semifinals
prep before we knew the workouts.
She snatched 215.
easily so a lot of her
strength is still there we
just really she was one of
those athletes where we
really have to push a lot
of aerobic work to get
improvement because she
just doesn't gravitate
toward it we don't have to
dive deep into this because
I really want to get to
jacob and hattie um but
madison was an mma fighter
What is the difference
between endurance for that,
five-minute rounds, rest in between,
to CrossFit endurance,
like a 20-minute chipper?
Yeah, I would say if you watch MMA fights,
a lot of MMA fighters...
have a different tempo to them.
You know,
you have MMA fighters who do like
to push the pace.
Maybe they come from a
wrestling background.
They're always moving, trying to grapple,
constantly striking,
lots of things like that.
And then you have MMA fighters who,
They kind of sit and wait
and wait and wait, and then they go,
and then they kind of sit and wait again.
And I think – I haven't went
back and watched a lot of
Madison's fights or anything,
but she's very much a
high-force production,
power output kind of organism by default.
And if I had to guess,
her style of MMA fighting
was probably a little more
calculated than she would go.
and then she would rest,
and then she would go.
So she's still in a
five-minute time window,
but her bouts of effort are explosive,
come down, explosive, come down,
explosive, come down, versus a steady,
sustained push to tempo.
I think, and this is all by memory,
so I could be wrong,
but I believe her fighting
career was undefeated until
her last fight,
pretty much all by knockout
knockout or submission
sounds about right that's
what that's what I would
kind of figure yeah um and
fought her whole last fight
with like a broken foot yes
and still made it like went
the distance yes like so
she's complete badass she
is tough as nails dude
So, and she's doesn't have a big package,
right?
Like you look at her and
you're not going to instantly go, Hey,
that's, that's power output.
Yeah, no, I mean, she's got strong,
big legs and she's tall.
Um, it's just a nervous system thing.
She's just fast Twitch.
Man,
she's impressive just as an athlete
overall.
Yeah.
So last question,
because you've been working
with her so long, um,
is now the goal to go back
to individual or to find a
better team or make this
team better any clue yet or
do you need some time we
discussed it a little bit
she did voice to me she
really enjoys team um so I
think that is probably the
direction we want to stay
but in terms of different
teams same team I haven't really
dove into that or anything
like that with her.
When my athletes finish semifinals,
you know,
if they're not moving on to the games,
I basically try to kick
them out of the gym as much
as I can and just let them relax.
I don't want them consumed
with CrossFit right now.
Cause I know that's been
everything on their mind
for the last two months.
Okay.
So, so let's flip to the individual side.
Do we want to, where do we want to start?
We can go event by event or
we can start with Jacob, I guess.
Whatever you think flows better.
Let's go event by event.
All right.
So it's Friday.
We have the run, clean and jerk workout.
Yep.
You have Jacob on the men, Jacob Marlowe,
and you have Hattie Cano on
the women's side.
Completely different athletes.
Yeah.
Like, and so as a coach,
is that exciting for you
that you get to like use
all your toys and all your
tools or is it harder
because they are different?
I don't know.
I don't know that I've ever
really thought of it like that.
I try to help them maximize
each event based on their
strengths given the test
that's being given.
I mean anybody who looked at
the leaderboard or watched
Jacob do that event,
that's obviously not his
jam right now versus Hattie.
She did very, very well in that workout.
So
It's just different and it's
fun to watch them do
different events that lend
more toward maybe their
strengths or weaknesses.
I've never really thought
about it from the sense of
what I can give them since
the test is the same and
then I'm just trying to
maximize their ability to
complete the test given
their kind of stats.
Okay.
So...
I think the men were up first.
They're going to be in our world.
That's fine.
So Jacob goes into this.
It's damage control because
you know this is not his jam.
Yeah.
What's your advice to Jacob?
So he did that workout in
testing here in Houston.
Barely finished it.
Walked here in Houston when he did it.
So we went into that workout with...
The only thing I told him
was make yourself proud.
Like, I don't care.
I knew the field was gonna
do what it was gonna do.
We can't change how fast and
how long you can run that fast right now.
So I told him, you know,
pull yourself up the stairs
to save your legs.
I told him the pace I wanted
him to aim to hold on the
runs based on what we did in testing.
And then a little bit of
variance for the accounting,
the stairs and the fatigue.
And I just told him to go
out there and make himself proud.
That was it.
And at the end of that,
did he make himself proud?
Yeah, he finished the event.
He didn't get last.
He didn't walk.
So he stayed tough through
the whole thing.
He stayed tough on that last
round when he had to run, I know,
harder than he wanted to to
get back to the bar and
finish the workout.
So I was proud of him.
I was proud of him for that workout.
And that workout kind of
highlights something that
we can talk about about
Jacob kind of toward the
end of the conversation and
like his future maybe.
So then Hattie's up.
Hattie's in the big girl
heat because she came in
qualified sixth or seventh?
Sixth, yeah, after the penalties.
Yeah, so she was way up there with,
and yet still nobody knew who she was.
She goes into the event and
it's actually probably,
it's a good event for her, right?
It's a great event for her.
So what is the conversation
between you and her?
I told her,
so she had a pace for the run
that we were going to aim
to hold based off what we
had done in testing.
And we knew the plan was
very quick singles on the clean and jerk.
And I told her before the event, I said,
run the first one at your pace.
or around your pace.
And then, you know,
because there was a lot of question,
how am I going to feel after the stairs?
I had made her run.
There were some hills and
stairs behind her house in Canada.
They call them the coolies.
I don't know why they call them that.
I don't know what that means.
But I had made her run those
when they announced they
were going to Carson
because I had a feeling
they were going to run the
berm to get her prepared for that.
So I said, hey, go run.
Run the first one around the pace.
then you're gonna know
everything you need to know
about how to approach the
run after that first run
you're gonna know you're
gonna get informed on
everything you need to know
and then you just need to
run your race like don't
worry about what anybody
else is doing it's five
round workout run your race
and you know be tough at
the end so that was the
advice I gave her for that one and they
all came out way hotter than
the pace but she's a good
enough runner that she
could hold on to that pace
nice and she's she's good
at moving a moderate
barbell too right she's
great at it yeah she's
great at moving a water
barbell uh kenneth yes
hattie is canadian you know
the show we are uh canadian
bias um by nature
I'm surprised you had to ask.
Get us together, Kenneth.
So where'd she finish in that first event?
I should pull that up.
Third.
Third.
So off to a bang and start.
Great start.
And you're done for the day.
Yeah.
And that was huge, really, I think,
for the weekend and also
for me as a coach.
Yeah.
especially for Hattie.
I mean,
obviously Jacob didn't have a great start,
but the goal wasn't,
we knew Jacob wasn't going
to be qualifying for the games this year.
Like that wasn't the goal we
went into semifinals with,
but last year at semifinals with Madison,
Hattie, Kelly, in particular,
we had a really, really slow day one.
We were,
we did not get off the blocks fast
at all.
And so as a coach,
something that was on my
mind a lot was I wanted
Hattie to come in on that
first event and have a good
start to the weekend.
And then you get to ride
that into the next day.
There's no second event that
day that maybe doesn't go
well or anything like that.
You have a good finish to
that first event and you
get to carry that into the next day.
So I was stoked for that.
So how do you treat the rest of the day?
Is it...
Is it just recovery?
Is it get some fuel?
Do you have a scheduled plan
for the rest of the day now?
So they finished that event.
I want to say it was kind of
getting into the evening a little bit.
And then, yeah,
I had them leave the venue
as soon as I could get them
to stop talking to people.
And they got body work done.
by the body work people that were there.
And then I basically ushered
them to their vehicles and
had them all go home and relax.
And then I stayed at the
venue because the teams had
a brief that night, maybe,
or was that Saturday?
One more event and a brief probably.
Well, yeah, the teams had events.
Yeah.
So yeah.
Cause the team event was after that.
And then I think they had a
brief even after that,
the days all kind of blurred together,
to be honest.
So what's crazy, Jody,
is it's really Canada to
Bali to Canada to Houston
to Canada to Bali to Canada to Carson.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She's been all over this world.
She has.
Oh, yeah.
And she stopped in Egypt to
win a comp this year, too.
But nobody still knew about her.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
So then you get up the next day,
you come in for event to
event to is front squat,
double under total bar.
There we go.
And again, two different athletes.
Yeah.
How does Jacob attack this?
So for Jacob,
that event was break the
double unders to stay calm
and keep your heart rate down.
Two sets on the total bar.
um and then front squat
faster than anybody else in
the field because jacob's
done 405 for a triple on
front squat jacob's
squatting power is stupid
So that was his general game plan.
He went a little slower than
he did in testing.
He actually did that workout
twice in 24 hours in testing.
That's kind of a funny story.
He did it the first time and
he pretty much bonked the
attempt and did not do very well.
And then the next day he
came to the gym and said he
wanted to do it again.
So we set it up like he
would do it on the floor
and we did it again and he did it again.
In the low 13s, I want to say.
So yeah,
he did 100 front squats at 225 in
24 hours.
So yeah,
he did a little bit worse than
what he did in testing the second time,
but he tripped on his dubs
a little bit more.
So for him,
that event was about breaking
up the double-unders in the
total bar to keep his heart
rate low and then trying to
make money on the front
squats because he can move
the bar so well.
Most of the field moved the
bar pretty well, I would say.
Obviously,
the best guys crushed the barbell as well,
but that was just how we
needed to approach it for
him because if he would
have went in trying to go –
unbroken double-unders,
big sets on the total bar,
he would have ended up
waiting a really long time
to pick up the bar because
his heart rate would have been so high.
Yeah.
And he finished where on that one?
What did he finish on that one?
I don't remember.
I knew until you asked me.
Let me pull up the leaderboard here.
I got it here.
Just have to find him.
Men...
25th, 14.06.
Yep.
There it is.
Okay.
And then Hattie comes up.
So how did she approach it?
I love that we're going to
talk about this because it
was so different than everybody else.
So Hattie's strategy was
unbroken double-unders,
8.75 on the total bar with
a super short rest.
And then I told her,
we're going to do the first
round of 10 unbroken.
And then after that, you make the call.
If you want to go 6-4, you go 6-4.
If you want to do 10, you do all 10.
The only rule of this game
is there's no standing around.
And she went 10, 10, 6-4, 6-4, 10.
And she went 8-7-5 on every
set of total bar.
Maybe she went...
Yeah,
I think she still went 875 on the
fifth round.
She tripped twice on the
last round in the 100 double-unders.
and if you listen to the
podcast world if you listen
to the media everybody said
you had to go unbroken on
the front squats to do well
and she got seventh place
on that workout and if she
didn't trip twice on the
double unders because when
we did testing rounds she
did the double unders
unbroken every time if she
didn't trip twice on the
dumbbells she would or on
the double unders she
wouldn't have been in that
race at the end which was
also super cool but uh and
she would have gotten third
or fourth in that workout
breaking the front squats twice
Was that the dive or the slide?
The dive.
She got seventh and lost to
fourth by like eight-tenths of a second.
They all jumped over the
finish line at the same time.
Yeah, that was crazy.
It was awesome.
Okay,
so then you have event two on Saturday.
Yep.
there we had that's the rope
climb echo bike yeah I've
been three box box jump
overs yes um again I'm
assuming two different
strategies two different
strategies um well yes I
would say they varied by
degree not necessarily kind
for jacob it was we need to
be tough on the bike and
aim to hold that pace and then
try to recover on the box jump overs.
He's not the tallest guy ever.
And actually, when he has to step down,
it tends to blow up his legs a bunch,
especially on that big box they use.
And that one didn't go, I would say,
as well as he would have liked, probably.
But...
he beat his training time by
two and a half minutes or
something stupid.
Wow.
So, you know, can't complain about that.
Um, but that one, yeah,
was 39th at a 1208 and just
the fitness isn't there yet on that one.
The legless were nothing.
It was just the fitness on the bike.
So then Hattie attacks it.
Um,
she's a smaller athlete I'm
assuming the bike is not
hammered for her it's not
hammered in the same way
but I gave her a tough
target pace and if you
actually I don't know if
you can tell on the live
stream if you watch she was
getting off the bike at the
same time or sooner than
abigail domit every time
who's a much taller athlete
and very powerful um had
he's good on the bike
and for her though her
legless rope climbs are
very strong and I don't
know if this is public
knowledge at this point it
should be because I think
all the athletes know about
this that rope is not 15
feet the the rope they use
at regionals is not 15 feet
the rig's not that tall
it's probably to the cross
beam 14 feet um so knowing that
our theme on that basically
was we're going to win on
the rope and the box jump
overs because people are,
there is going to be a
decent amount of athletes
who take a pause before
they get on that rope and
we're running our transitions and we're,
we're fearless up the rope every time.
And that's exactly what she did.
So she finishes fourth on that event.
Yup.
And at this point she is now
the leader in the clubhouse
going into the final day.
Yes.
So that's got to have all kinds of fields,
right?
Yeah, to a point.
The theme Hattie and I had
going into this weekend was
we're going to focus on ourselves.
we are going to do our game plan.
We are going to execute what
we know we need to execute.
We're going to run the race
our way and we're not going
to worry about what other
people are doing.
And we're just going to keep
our head down and focus on
things one event at a time.
As she was the leader in the clubhouse,
it was hard not for that to
be made aware to her, but she had,
she had no intention of
looking at the leaderboard all weekend.
She would finish an event and,
And she finished the second
event and asked me,
is that good enough for
what we're trying to do?
And I said, yeah, you're fine.
Don't worry about it.
Because I knew she got top 10.
But yeah,
our whole kind of mindset and our
conversations was we're
running Hattie's race.
We're not worried about how
other people are going to
do this because they're not you.
So was that, that was the slide, right?
That was the slide.
Yeah.
And that got her a couple places.
Yeah.
One, if not two.
Yeah.
I think it might've been two.
It's hard to know,
but it definitely got her one.
When you see an athlete of yours,
give it up for points.
Like
does does that get you more
excited or the where she
finished get you more
excited oh give it up for
points 100 so when you're
trying to make the crossfit
games as a coach I want to
see I want to see that edge
a little bit and she showed
it the first event
So in the last round, not to jump around,
but in the last round,
this is when I knew we were
going this weekend.
The last round of the workout,
she finishes the fourth
round of clean and jerks.
And her and another lady,
I want to say Lindsay something.
I don't know her last name.
Lindsay was kind of catching
her on the run.
But Hattie was getting off
the clean and jerks first.
And they,
she was running out of the tunnel
and I ran from the soccer
stadium over to the top of
the tunnel because we were
allowed to go to the soccer stadium,
like the edge of it and watch them.
And I yelled at her to hold
her pace and then to pass
on the second straightaway before you,
as you come,
like the long side of the soccer field.
And that's exactly what she did.
She ran her pace and her and
the other girl were right
next to each other.
They came down the stairs
and Hattie got like a 20
step lead on that
straightaway so that she
had enough time to make
sure she got the barbell work done,
which in hindsight worked out really,
really well because
apparently Abigail Domet
sprinted through the tunnel
because she was behind both
of them on that
straightaway and then was
right with Hattie on the cleaning jerks.
But
The fact that when I told her to do that,
being 20 plus minutes into
that workout and she did it,
I knew she was ready to lay
it out there all weekend.
And I love that.
When I saw that,
when you see someone die for points,
it just makes you want to
root for them even more.
And I was already rooting for her.
So, so you get to the end of day two,
she's, you know, if there was one,
she would be wearing the
leader's Jersey and you
still have half the event to go.
Yeah.
Weird feeling one day, but half the event,
right.
It was different.
Uh,
Jody Lynn says the edge definitely need
to kick in high gear with
this strong bunch of gals.
Definitely.
So it was not Hattie's
desire to look at the leaderboard,
but you as a coach are
looking at the leaderboard.
Oh, yeah.
You know she's in the pole position.
Yeah.
Does it change?
How do you make sure it
doesn't change your game plan?
Well, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I mean...
we went into the weekend
with the mindset of we're
going to do our game plan
and our strategy and
execute the way we know we
should do these workouts.
Don't get to halftime if
it's working and change it.
Right.
Well,
apparently you're not a Chicago bear
fan because we would get a big lead.
And then at halftime they
would go to a conservative
mode and then lose the game.
Gotcha.
Yeah.
We were not trying to do that.
So that's,
that's just what I'm used to
watching every Sunday in the fall.
Yeah.
So that's why I had to ask.
Fair enough.
Yeah.
No, I, I,
my mindset was to keep
approaching things the same
way we had all weekend,
the way we were warming up
when we were warming up,
what we were doing,
the conversations we were having,
like reinforcing to her,
our game plan is our game
plan tunnel vision.
And then you can race at the end.
Yeah, exactly.
Corey, if it ain't broke, don't fix it,
man.
Like leave it the hell alone.
Yeah.
Yeah.
If the Ferrari is running well and winning,
don't touch the engine.
Don't touch it.
Don't do anything different.
So, but yeah,
it was an interesting feeling
going into Sunday with, you know,
300 points up for grab.
And then Corey,
just as another football fan,
the saints game plan used to be,
if it ain't broke, break it.
Ah, classic.
Yeah.
so so now you go into sunday
and we start off with the
handstand workout and I
remember talking to to
hattie a long time ago she
loves being on her hands
she's great on her hands it
I think she told me it's
her favorite thing she's
really good on her hands
like really good on her
hands so then my only
question going into sunday
was how is she on the row well yeah i
yeah I think so I mean the
girls who beat her if you
go back and look it was the
row pace you know I mean
alex kazan was rowing a
freaking 145 which is crazy
um but she would catch
girls on her hands
especially when they had
the down and back section
the the middle 60 down 60
back um so for me with that
one it was just
know I posted in the stands
behind her rower and I was
just telling her the pace
to try to hold because I
knew she could hold it and
it's okay like they're
gonna get off before you
it's fine don't don't freak
out don't get stressed out
stay in your lane do your
thing right so she finishes
eighth in that event correct
Um,
so all solid top 10 finishes at this
point.
Um, in fact,
all eight or above and they
take positions.
That's pretty much a good
way to make sure you're
going to get a game spot.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, so at the same time now, Jacob goes,
yes, I guess is he can pull the chain.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
How is he on his hands?
He's consistent.
He's not super fast yet.
He's,
he has very good handstand walk
endurance.
Uh, if you said, Hey, you know, 25, 30, 40,
50 foot unbroken sections for 200 feet,
he would without much of a problem.
But we have some room to go on speed.
Okay.
I was really proud of him
for that workout because
the third workout,
we didn't have a lot of
urgency in our transitions.
And he had a lot of urgency
in his transitions,
and he was going out there
to compete on Sunday.
So it was good.
Yeah,
the one thing I noticed with Jacob is
he'd seem like a different
athlete Sunday compared to
the other two days.
Well, if we look at those events.
He knew some home runs were
coming down the pipe.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, okay.
So then we go into event five,
the snatch ladder.
Let's go Jacob first because
that's something he does very well.
Oh, yeah.
Uh, what was,
what was your pacing strategy
with him to make sure he
didn't blow up on that?
I told him I wanted to,
I didn't want him to push
one 85 through one 20 or two 25.
I wanted him to try to be in
a position where he could
get to two 45 and just drop the hammer.
Um,
Jacob.
So he missed two at two 45 in this event.
He flew a little too close
to the sun and he still had
the fourth best time.
Um,
Jacob's advantage in a workout like
that is if he gets the bar over his head,
his lockout is very, very good.
So the two he missed, he got spit out from,
he got too far behind the bar too early.
So it was in front a little
bit and he didn't quite finish.
Um,
But for him, it was more,
don't bite off more than we
can chew on the higher rep bars.
And then try to really punch
it on the four and the two
at the heavier weights that
you know you can hit faster
than most of the field.
And we had a fourth place
with two misses at 245.
If he doesn't miss those at 245,
he's not as fast as Colton.
What did Brent get?
Brent was only a second or two behind.
So he would have just moved
up one spot and gotten third,
but his time would have
been around the 530 mark or the 540 mark.
So then we go to the females,
and I would be remiss to
not ask you as a coach how stupid,
stupid Olivia Kerstetter was.
That was really cool to watch, man.
Literally,
Jamie and I were texting during
that event.
She texted me like, wait,
did she skip over a bar?
No, man.
She destroyed that event.
That's how fast it was.
You think she missed a bar?
I will say,
just because I've heard this
start to be kicked around,
her doing that well in that
workout is not an argument for Z-score.
CrossFit is jack of all trades,
master of none.
We don't need to overly
reward people who can do
exponentially freaky things.
It's cool, and she's still got 100 points,
as she should,
but that is not what this sport is.
We don't need to change the
scoring system to reflect it,
because if you do,
you're just going to end up
with a field of specialists.
That's not the point.
I agree.
I'll let that go.
Yeah.
I've bashed on Z-score a ton.
I think it's interesting.
I don't think that it's not
necessarily something that
can be used in the future,
but I'm not a believer as of right now.
Your reward for doing so
well in an event is that
you can take your foot off
the brake at the end of
that event and save yourself for later.
And get 100 points.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But she also could have done
that in this event and
still got 100 points.
Right.
But exactly.
She could have went a minute
slower and still won the event.
Ricky Garrard could have
walked his last 800 in Oceania,
but he didn't.
So whatever, right?
And that's your choice as an
athlete at that point.
Yeah.
If you've got half of a
football field lead on somebody in a run,
you can relax.
If you don't though, that's on you.
My son, exactly.
So the fact that how to can
you finished fifth in this
event with people like
Olivia Kirsten and Kelsey
keel and Danny Spiegel,
that was impressive.
She's strong,
she's fit and she's technical.
She reminded me so much of
Elisa Fuliano's run.
Oh, really?
In Europe.
Just smooth as fast.
And technically hitting it every time.
Yep.
I mean,
we had done that event here in Houston.
We did it with bars set up
because that was the rumor, right?
And actually Kelly was there that day.
Kelly judged her.
So we had a full little setup,
gave her reps and no reps
and all that stuff.
And I knew that was going to
be a really good event for Hattie,
even though I don't think
anybody else in the field
would have thought it would be.
And she beat her training time,
changing her weights by quite a margin,
I think.
No, she had the exact same time,
but she had to change her weights.
Can't ask for anything more than that.
Yeah, so she moved the bars faster.
So I want to finish this thread,
and we'll come back to
Jacob after this is done.
Because he really finished strong,
and I want to give him his due for that.
But at this point,
Hattie crushes the snatch ladder,
takes fifth,
And if you look at the leaderboard,
she now has clinched a spot to the games.
She doesn't even have to go
out on the floor for the
last event to have a spot to the games.
That's pretty cool.
So when she goes out there,
does she know this?
We didn't discuss it.
I think she knew that it was
highly unlikely anything could happen.
I don't know how much she
was aware of the points
rather than the placings, but I,
I know she wanted to go out
on a good foot too.
Right.
We didn't talk before the event and like,
and just, you know, coaster in,
we were going out there to
do the same thing we'd been
doing every other event.
she had she had 105 point
lead a ninth place going
into the last event so
there was no way possible
for for ninth place to get
above her yeah the reason I
ask is the last event
becomes her worst event
yeah so did any part of her mind relax
In that last event.
And I know, and I'll say it,
I don't want you to say it
because we don't need any vendettas.
There was a shitty call of a
no rep in the middle of
that workout for her.
There was, but... And again,
I don't want you to say this publicly.
I'm saying it publicly.
There was a shitty call and
made her go back...
instead of back a foot to go
behind the line,
go back a full section back.
And when your grip is shot,
that is a huge penalty.
I think for me,
where my head is at with that,
and I've thought about that a lot,
whether the call was
whatever the call was, that's actually,
that's on me, not her.
So the rule is if you appeal in a final,
you have to appeal on the floor.
And so she gets through the event,
or she's doing the event.
The no rep happens.
She comes, you know, she has to stop.
She's looks at me in the crowd.
I'm yelling at her one section at a time.
Don't be risky.
Just get it done.
Cause I know we're good.
Just finish.
It's okay.
Right.
And I could tell she was
upset a little bit.
And I was so focused on
because the goal had been
to come and make the games.
So when she finishes,
as soon as I could get her attention,
I just, I told her, I said,
how do you're going to the games?
It's okay.
We did what we came here to do.
I should have just told her to appeal it.
Right, wrong, or indifferent.
Because I couldn't see her
foot from where I was.
right?
I was, she was coming toward me,
I'm up in the stands.
And if she would have appealed,
and it would have been
they'd have said no,
the the call on the floor stands,
then it wouldn't change anything.
And if it would have changed something,
it would have changed
something for the better for us.
So for me, I walk away from that.
And I was actually really, really,
really upset with myself
that night about it,
because that's my job,
as a coach is to remember those things.
And
analogy I made right and
this is right wrong or
indifferent people like the
whatever I don't care what
people say is but belichick
and saban don't forget they
know when to throw a flag
in the playoffs so whether
the call on the floor was
right or wrong whether she
stepped on the line or not
the the end result of that
is completely on me not on
anybody else but if there's
a time to make that mistake
it's after you've already clinched
Sure, yeah, I can't be mad about that.
So now you've learned this
in a situation that doesn't
affect her games ticket.
Right.
And moving forward, now you won't forget.
Yeah, I won't forget that ever again.
Yeah,
and I will say from a performance setting,
obviously the callback was
really costly on her grip.
that workout didn't go to plan from what,
you know,
we had tested and how we were feeling.
And that's something, you know,
she and I discussed a bit,
but we're going to talk
about a lot more as we move
into games training and things like that.
And how we want to attack
what we think might have
been the issue there.
Was it fitness?
Was it a particular movement?
I mean, obviously it wasn't fitness.
It's not a fitness test,
but was it a particular
movement or was it,
where we were mentally at
the end of the competition, right?
Like those kinds of things
and that stuff she and I will dive into.
Um, but I, I definitely, yeah.
23rd on that was we,
we didn't go into the weekend knowing,
okay, this is,
this is going to be our one, right?
Um,
she had done testing intervals of it
and put up very competitive times.
So sometimes shit just happens.
But if that no rep doesn't
happen and she doesn't have
to pick up the dumbbells
twice and move them back a full thing,
she doesn't finish 23rd either.
Scott,
if she got over the line less than a
second faster, she doesn't finish 23rd.
If you go look at the times for the event.
Yeah.
Well, like even with all that, like, yeah.
Yeah.
yeah so so then you finish
the weekend you've achieved
your goal but your your
finishing event is not
optimal sure she's
interviewed after the event
and they ask her what she's
going to work on between
now and the games and she
immediately says heavy lunges
Yeah.
Because that is what a competitor does.
They don't think about the stuff they did.
Well,
they think about the one thing they
did wrong.
How do you now talk to her
about that to say, listen,
we accomplished something
really good and we're going to,
we're going to fix some
holes between now and the games.
I mean, it's just that, really.
You know,
when she came back to the athlete area,
we talked and she was a
little sad about it.
And I just said, you know,
we did what we came here to do.
And as any athlete,
you know,
she wanted to be on the podium
once she realized she could
be on the podium and she
had been in the driver's
seat all weekend.
So it's, it was like this weird,
bittersweet thing of dang,
that kind of sucks.
Cause we were, we were right there to that,
but also let's enjoy this
moment of doing what we came here to do.
And knowing that you can do
this and you can compete
with the best and punch a games ticket.
So for me,
at that point with her as a coach,
I didn't want her
ruminating on that moment.
We have time to fix things.
We have time to work on
heavy lunging under various conditions.
fatigues and loads and
whatever like that's the
x's and o's I wanted her to
enjoy the punching of the
game's ticket still and
finishing fourth having a
game spot clinched before
the last event in a stacked
field of women like she did
an amazing job all weekend
and so that's what I wanted
her to kind of feel and
have in that moment um
rather than beating herself
up over that event right
So how much cooler is it
that she punches her ticket
and it wasn't eighth or
seventh just over the line?
Yeah.
She was competing with two
of the top five women in
the world and Abigail Domet
and Emily Rolfe.
Yeah.
I knew she could, you know, nobody,
this year has been really
fun with Hattie.
Like I only coached her clear.
She took fourth, but she tied.
Right.
I only coached Hattie for a
brief time last year prior to semifinals,
you know?
And so this year has been a
lot of me learning her and, and,
um, getting to know what she needs more.
And I don't know,
it's just really fulfilling
to see her achieve that
goal that I think sometimes
a lot of people want the goal, but don't,
you know, it's,
it's risky emotionally to
say that you can do
something like that because
it is so hard.
Um, so I'm just super proud of her for,
um,
putting in the work and
doing those things.
And as a coach, I,
I greatly appreciate the
trust to be the person that
she trusts to guide her to that goal.
Um,
I couldn't be more proud of
her for the job she did.
Are you Coach Krispy Kreme?
Jody Lynn asks,
are Coach Krispy Kreme and
Hattie just regular
individual coach and athlete,
or are they from one of the camps?
I think technically you're a camp.
Technically.
You're a newer camp.
Yeah.
And for people who don't know, Tristan,
so his real name is Tristan Patrick.
We just call him Coach
Krispy Kreme on this show.
So dubbed by Kenneth DeLapp.
Well done, Kenneth.
And he coached Kelly Baker
last year to the games.
And with that, he was coaching Hattie,
Madison, McElhaney.
Jacob, Savannah.
Yeah, a ton.
And you're still coaching a
lot of athletes, but you're a newer camp.
You're a newer coach to the scene.
So what I think is cool is
Kelly and Hattie and
Madison and Jacob putting
all their trust in you as a
new coach shows how good you are.
I like to think I know some stuff.
You don't have the resume of
Justin Cutler or Maxwell
Hodge or Ben Bergeron or, you know.
Yeah.
But a lot of people,
a lot of people put their
trust in you and you have
proven that you are up to
the task by far.
I appreciate it.
I put a lot of time and
mental effort into it.
Probably an unhealthy amount,
but I don't have as many
years of experience to be
comfortable maybe,
or as easily comfortable
with what I put on a piece
of paper as some of the other coaches.
So Jody,
he is the head coach at ascend
that the shirt he has on right now,
send athlete.
Um, and they're in Houston area,
the Houston area.
But Hattie lives in... And
one thing that they learned,
and I want to have Hattie
on with you at some point
to talk about what you guys
learned last year and the
big changes you made this
year that changed her whole
world in this journey.
But I think that's way too
long for this show.
And that's what I respect
about you most is you tried one thing,
You went back to the drawing
board after talking to your athlete,
and this year you did a
completely different thing.
Yeah.
And so I think that's what's really cool.
So let's finish up Jacob,
and then we'll talk about the event.
Oh, yeah.
Jacob.
So Jacob finishes the last event in 13th?
I think so.
place maybe 12th 12th so he
he has a good finish with a
fourth place and a 12th
finish yeah now looking at
him for the the offseason
is it all running is it all
burpees is it the Madison
McElhaney approach with Jacob
It's a refined version of it.
I've learned some things
since even Madison's off
season that I want to
incorporate with Jacob.
And I mean, a lot of my athletes,
but especially the,
those power-based athletes, um,
for their off seasons,
but I'm really excited for
Jacob's off season.
There's going to be a lot of
running for sure.
There's going to be a lot of, you know,
some pulling work and things like that.
Um,
You and I had texted a
little bit about this,
and I'm really excited for
Jacob's offseason and his next year.
We've cleared quarterfinals now.
Pending,
they don't change how many people go.
He no longer needs to be
concerned with qualifying
through quarterfinals very much.
We just need to make sure
we're polished enough.
at that point and then we'll
know you know if
semi-finals is very close
to quarterfinals then we'll
be very polished but if
there is you know eight
weeks or something then
we'll still be kind of
building and making sure
that his sword is getting
sharper but um there's a
lot of not a lot of things
that we need to improve on
I mean I want him to
improve on everything of
course but there's
some things that we can do
outside of the gym as well
to really set him up for
success next year.
And I'm very excited for
what we can bring to
semifinals next year with Jacob.
If,
if people know enough about the sport
and they can see what he can do,
and then they see where his holes are,
when those get filled,
that's going to be a problem.
Very cool.
So now we have a couple
months till the games.
Yeah.
Like two and a half ish too.
Well, I guess now just two.
So what, what's up now?
How many weeks does Hattie have off?
She took the rest of the week off.
Um,
I think she's actually flying back home
today.
Um,
She doesn't have anything
for the rest of the week.
If I know Hattie,
she'll probably do the
community class at her gym on Saturday,
which is fine.
And we'll start breaking off
the rust and things on Saturday.
next week and she and I'll
jump on a call Monday to
debrief semifinals things
we did well things we want
to improve on things that
she liked things she didn't
and then start really
putting together some more
of the nuts and bolts of
the plan for games prep
hopefully some trips out to
Houston for training things
like that we got to get her
ready for the heat for sure
and all that stuff
So when she comes to Houston,
do you try to find some
athletes to push her during testing?
We didn't for semifinals because...
I mean, I just didn't need it.
I could just get what I
needed and write it on a piece of paper,
right?
For games prep, yes, 100%.
I will be volunteering
sacrificial lambs to do
workouts with her.
And it's really not that hard,
and it usually is very fun for everybody.
It's, you know, okay,
Hattie's doing this weight,
you're doing this weight,
and maybe this reps, try to beat her.
It's good for everybody.
And it's a lot of fun.
We have a decent number of
Ascend athletes that are in-house.
Some fit people who just go
to the gym as well who like
to jump in on stuff.
I'm sure I'll make Jacob
come up here if there's
anything long she's doing.
He can volunteer for that too.
But yeah, it'll be a lot of fun.
Sorry.
We'll be rooting, of course, as always.
we'll do these every week,
every couple of weeks,
checking in on everything and,
and all the stuff going on
in the CrossFit space.
I'm super stoked to see you, man.
Thank you, man.
I appreciate it.
Probably see you Friday.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I get in Thursday.
Yeah.
I'll see you Friday.
Got to go lock it up for the team now.
Yeah.
Good times.
And not now Knoxville over the weekend.
I've never been.
It's all right.
All right.
Fair enough.
Been there a couple times.
Listen,
I've said it on this show a million
times.
I love going to semifinals
more than I love going to the games.
Yeah.
The story's better.
The tension's better.
The access to the athletes is better.
Yeah.
Everything about semifinals
is so much more fun than the games.
The game is on lockdown.
It's a show.
It's on ESPN.
Everything is like tick, tick, tick.
Semifinals are freaking wild.
I can't say that I love the
tension of semifinals as much as you do,
but I appreciate that
you... If you were a spectator,
isn't that why you watch sports?
Oh, yeah, totally.
Right?
I still battle hard with...
I'm fine until I go sit down
when they're going on the field.
And then I immediately want
to throw up immediately.
It doesn't matter who I coach.
It doesn't matter if it's, you know,
like an intermediate level
athlete that I'm working with at TFX.
When they go on the floor,
I get sick to my stomach.
Dude.
All I do is interview these
people and talk to them and
sometimes become their friends.
I get emotional on the final day.
Like the,
when I know people are just damn
good people, I want them to succeed.
And like when they, when they miss it,
I get, I get emotional.
Yeah.
He had a bad first day and I
talked to her in the hallway.
Like I was crushed for her.
I've, I mean,
now that I've been doing this
a little while,
I've started to develop
friendships with other
coaches and meet some of
their athletes and, you know,
friends of friends that I coach.
And it's tough when people
you like don't do well, like it sucks.
It does.
But that's why,
that's why we love the sport.
That's why people watch it.
And hopefully we find a way
to make this thing work better.
What is the saying?
The only way forward is through.
And where we're at after the
attendance in California, only way is up.
Yeah, that's true.
Stands were thin.
Granted, obviously I could have cared less,
but the stands were thin.
But if people don't come,
we don't have a sport.
Yeah, totally.
Right?
So, yeah.
Corey says the obstacle is the way.
Corey,
don't be dropping some stoicism in here.
I'll have to start sending
you stuff on Instagram.
I wish Corey was going to.
He says he wishes he was going.
That'd be cool.
The guy's a freaking blast
to hang out with.
I listened to like half of
y'all's podcast the other day.
It was funny.
He's a good dude.
So good.
Yep.
Yeah,
we had a blast at Masters Fitness
Collective last year.
But yeah,
you should have heard the after show.
The after show I think was
funnier than the actual show.
We should have left the tape rolling.
Just let it go, man.
Just let it go.
Yeah.
So with that,
thank you everybody for being
in the chat.
You guys have been awesome.
Thank you, Tristan, for being on.
And we'll do this again in a week or two.
Yeah.
Talk about how syndicate goes.
Yep.
With that,
we will catch everybody next
time on chopping it up with
coach Krispy Kreme.
Bye guys.