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Each week, Amanda Campbell interviews amazing people, who will share their inspiring stories of resilience. Amanda dives deep into 40-minute DNM’s with guests, exploring their stories of how they have overcome adversity in their lives professionally and personally.
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Welcome to the Bend Like Bamboo Resilience Podcast, where we discover how life's greatest challenges can become our greatest strengths. I'm your host, Amanda Campbell, kinesiologist, EMF specialist, resilience coach and author. Get ready to be inspired by these remarkable humans who share their raw, real stories of transformation. The breakthrough moments, the lessons learned in the trenches, and the practical wisdom that turned their greatest challenges into their greatest strengths.
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These conversations offer hope, tools and proof that resilience isn't just possible. It's your birthright together. Let's discover how flexibility can become your superpower. Turning life storms into stepping stones towards the person you're meant to become. Let's dive straight into our next conversation.
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Good morning, Richard Ellis. Thank you so much for joining me today on the podcast. Thanks for having me. Great to be here. All fabulous. Let me introduce you properly. So Richard Ellis, also known as the energy coach, has worked with leaders for almost two decades. He specializes in helping business owners, corporate leaders and teams unlock their full potential through optimal health and performance.
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Rich’s journey began in the health and fitness industry, where he built a reputation as a high-performance coach, focusing on energy management resilience and wellbeing. And over the years, he has expanded his impact as a coach and speaker to improve staff wellbeing and productivity. His approach is simple but effective helping individuals make small, sustainable changes that lead to massive shifts in energy, focus and overall performance.
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Unknown
I can't wait to talk to you. Today is how long I've set myself. We have such alignment in how we help our clients. We You're the energy coach. Tell me, what does that mean? Yeah. I don't know where that came from or honestly, I'm not sure, but I think. I think it's that I think burnout is always been an issue probably for the last ten years or so for me.
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Unknown
And I think business ownership comes with some of that potentially. And I realized that I was burning the candle at both ends in a in a good way, but a naive way and having kind of come out the other side of it and realized, you know, reverse engineered it almost for how did I get here? Okay, I was doing all this other stuff and working long days and that becomes the norm.
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Unknown
You normalize it. So you kind of you almost can't see what's going on. And so, you know, when you see the figures, it was it was when I had a cortisol test and I could see that my my daily cortisol was kind of like 10% of where it should have been. It was a good wake up call because I'm a sort of a like numbers, I'm a data kind of guy.
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Unknown
Yeah, And yeah, that was a real reality check. And so my journey back from that was all about restoring my own energy. Yeah, and I suppose that's the bit that I can empathize with, with people like I've never been an overweight person. So, you know, if somebody wants to lose weight, I can help them, but I can't put myself into their shoes in the same way I can with someone who's physically exhausted, physically, physically, mentally exhausted because that I know what feels it feels like.
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Unknown
And so there's that true sort of proper empathy for those people. And suppose that's where the name evolved from, is, you know, rebuilding my own energy and realizing the recipe for maintaining it while still doing all the things you want to do is, is can be hard for some people to find. And I suppose, you know, that's now what I hang my hat on and say, Look, I can help you with that stuff because I've already been there myself.
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Unknown
I think that's what makes a good coach is, you know, people seek us when we're not only the practitioner, but also the patient. And where we can. We've really been in their shoes and you can help someone so much more when you really know how they truly have felt and you've transformed it yourself. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
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Unknown
So what were your signs like when you were burnt out? Like what are few examples of how you felt? Great question. I think one of them was the overreliance on coffee. So it was my one daily crutch and it was. It was under someone saying to me, Well, what are your normal energy levels like? And I was like, Well, they're fine, absolutely fine.
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Unknown
Yeah. And then go, So, so what are they like without coffee? I don't know. And I was like, because that's actually, I think it was the wellness guys, Australian guys who were, were talking about it. So that's when I started listening to podcasts. So they're, they're Aussie guys and they talked about, well, what's next? Where's your actual energy level as opposed to your caffeine supportive energy level?
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And so that made me reflect and go, Ooh, actually, if I had to stop, I think I'd really struggle. And so I sort of run that experiments and sort of weaned myself off with with decaf coffee so I could still get the hit of the, the habit of the experience. And then got to the point where I sort of fell in love with herbal teas and, you know, finding some other way of of enjoying a hot drink and realized that, you know, that I was not doing so well.
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Unknown
And it was it was quite an average experience, not a not a great experience. And so that was kind of the first sign and symptom that, you know, things were things were going the wrong way. And like I said earlier, that the evidence of seeing that that cortisol test on paper, yeah, just brought it home. You know, that was then a the proper reflection was okay, it's not just the coffee, it's the, it's the long days, it's the overtraining, it's the this, it's the that, you know, all, all, all of the, all of the things that come with business ownership and liking to be active.
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Unknown
Yeah. Well when we're already stressed and was you know, throwing down one or even five up to even five cups of coffee a day, it's going to fire adrenalin and that's our stress response. And so us cortisol and when we're already in a stressful state, you know, that can tip someone over the edge. And that's what we don't realize because we get so addicted to that fatal flat feeling and we think that's the norm.
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Unknown
But my signs were, you know, I started to get really irritable. My my digestion wasn't working as well. And I was making decisions from stress and worry rather than from that deep in a knowing and got to issue of, you know, energetic alignment. And yeah, I'm really so grateful that I know the difference between those two now. Yes.
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Unknown
Yes, I think that was probably another one of those symptoms or signs, I should say was the irritability. So snap being very snappy. Yeah. Very short fuze in conversations and Yeah. And actually being very nice to be around to be honest. You know, it's those aren't the people you want to spend time with because there's not a lot of good is all downside now you want to you know be a fun person to be around and and that makes not only our day filled with more joy, but it is also going to affect our performance and how we show up and how we can build relationships, you know, within our businesses to.
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Unknown
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Well, if you talk about energy being our greatest asset yet, most business leaders we both are working with are typically running on empty while stressing about finances and business. Once the conversation that you have with CEOs and leaders when you're suggesting I don't know what your tools are, but mine, you know, my six pillars of health, you know, journaling, meditation, nutrition, movement, resilience.
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Unknown
But they have this, you know, that's usually say, I don't have time for that. What's the conversation you have? And there's the first clue, right? If they haven't got time for it, there's that old saying says you should you should meditate for a minute every day. And if you're too if you're busy, you should meditate for an hour.
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Unknown
Then you need it more. Exactly. And and those are the people that need to hear that saying because it will actually stop them and make them think. And they're like, yeah, okay. So that there isn't necessarily a there isn't necessarily a sort of specific model like there are lots of different ways in. So I try and find something that resonates for the person.
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Unknown
So it might be the wheel of Life where, you know, you've got ten or eight components and you get people to score themselves on each of those components because you can come back to it and remeasure it. We've got a lovely Maori health model called the 40 Top Offer, which has four pillars, and each of the pillars holds the roof up and if one of the pillars isn't strong, then the roof's going to fall in.
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Unknown
So, you know, you've got spiritual health, you've got physical health, you've got mental health and you've got family and community. So those are the four pillars. Yes. So it depends on the person in front of me as to how as to what angle I take with them. But because it really needs to make the most sense to them.
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Unknown
And then and then I work with with with that and I bring a health coaching perspective. So it's very much client driven, you know, asking the right question. And I don't know their life. They know that they are the expert of their life. So I have to ask the right question for them to then give me what I need to help lead them down the path towards what they're prepared to do to make the behavior change, to make the shift in the energy, the habits, the lifestyle, whatever it may be.
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Unknown
So does that answer the question? Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, I can relate. I mean, I'm just as a kinesiology that I use tools to help clients to get out of that stress response to promote growth and repair. Instead, because, you know, we meet them where they're at when they're super stressed. And look, I'm the same. I'm an overachiever, and that's why I push myself too hard.
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Unknown
And it's that, isn't it? It's that mindset. And by doing that and it's not just because of our responsibilities and all of our tasks that we have as business owners. It's also what you believe about your expectations of what equals successful. Yeah, absolutely right. And I recently qualified as a personal values coach, so it allows me to deliver a workshop around people's values.
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They identify what they are. We make sense of that, what their priorities are, and, and lots of pennies drop when people follow that process because they kind of generally know how that driven once they're into adult life and a little more experience. But still there's opportunities for learning through those things because sometimes and one of the things I found with my values is that I actually have an internal conflict.
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Unknown
So one of my values is directly opposite another value. Yeah. And, and so it naturally creates this internal conflict. So sometimes I'm driven by this and sometimes I'm driven by that, but they're quite opposite to each other. And so, you know, that happens for individuals, but it also happens for for organizations where they're in teams. Some people get on, other people don't get on.
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Unknown
And when you're living your life and butting up against values that you can't align with, that can be a path down. Then you have the burnout path. So, so lonely. This is another consideration that inner conflict is a it's a chapter in my book because the way that I see it is our goals can sometimes be in conflict with what we're really believing about ourselves and what's possible.
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Unknown
And I love your example of two values being in conflict as well. And this is another thing that can create the stress response. And if we can understand what's the cause of stress, we can then reimagine that, reorganize that. And that's how we come out of burnout. Absolutely. Absolutely. So it's a big one. So I like having that as another tool both for individuals and for groups because it sort of pulls back the curtains on all of that stuff, which sometimes hasn't ever been.
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Unknown
A lot of organizations are good at that stuff. You know, they do the desk profiling and all of those kinds of things, which is useful, but the values kind of goes another layer down. Yeah. So that, I imagine is how you work with teams is you'll go deeper into identifying values and do you then go and work out what's in conflict.
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Unknown
Yeah, I mean, I haven't started using it yet cause I literally only did the course recently, so it's not, haven't been fully deployed yet. But it will be. But that's, that's exactly the technique. So it's about two and a half hour workshop and everybody gets to understand the different values, what theirs are, what their priorities are, how they fit in with the other values in the room, and and just sort of identify both values when you're in a good state.
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Unknown
So you're and you're in a more of a rest and digest state where you're thinking clear with the prefrontal cortex, but then the slippery behaviors, which is the nickname for when you're not in a good state, when you're fighting and fleeing, and you know that that value can actually show its ugly side. And so being aware of both the positive and the negative of each of the values equips people, you know, because then other people can see it in other people.
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Unknown
You sure that's what you mean? You know, do you do you want to take that another moment to think about that sort of thing so colleagues can help colleagues when when they're aware of this stuff? Yeah, absolutely. That would be game changing for a business that's going through many change and stress. There is a testimonial that you shared with me where you had one of your clients who managed to drop their blood pressure significantly, and you help me to understand what were the specific or small changes that you helped your client make.
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Unknown
Yeah, it was it was part of a bigger program. So I was working with a dairy company and it was a start up. So it was, you know, reasonably loose, you know, people finding their feet, but they were very strong on culture. And so that's why I was invited to, to work with them. And, you know, the high pressure environment, you know, probably not making all the healthiest decisions day to day in terms of lifestyle and nutrition just because the work had to get done and the business was growing and it needed customers, etc., etc..
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Unknown
And it was after a few weeks, I started having sort of individual conversations with with people in the organization and just asking the right questions. Again, just sort of picking away at threads and then just just pulling that thread and finding out more. And by that stage you not built up enough trust with people for them to feel comfortable to open up.
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Unknown
And that's really where the gold is when I can see that, that we've got to that stage. They're able to share the stuff. They're not going to tell a stranger, right? And so it was a matter of wanting finding out what those lifestyle issues were and obviously a high consumption of sugar under sleeping, going to the gym twice a day, thinking that that was that was the solution to the to that being more not less.
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Unknown
Yeah. Yeah exactly. Yeah. Just keep pushing. And so yes, it was, it was a combination of those sorts of lifestyle factors and, and even an issue with dairy. So there was a, there was an obvious reaction when, when this person consumed dairy but hadn't really been addressed. And so, you know, after a couple of sessions it was clear that there were some, some obvious low hanging fruit that we could chip away at.
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Unknown
And and that's what we did. So it was, you know, what can we do with the dairy? Can we find an alternative? Is is there a way around this or do we just need to go cold turkey for, say, two or three months and allow the sensitivity to to heal and then the gut can come back online again and you might be fine with it.
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Unknown
And then, you know, is that much gym work necessary? You know, how intense is each of those visits? You know, how much cortisone are we already driving up from a high base rather than a low base? So, you know, we would get that under control. Then we're going to get set up for a better night's sleep. So you're going to be more restored the next day.
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Unknown
Therefore, you probably don't need the extra coffee because you've got a better night's sleep. And so the blood pressure just came down as a result of all of these small changes and and went back to the doctor. And the doctor had said, I've never seen it this low before. And the client was really happy. You know, it was a big win for them.
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Unknown
So I was really chuffed with that. And I think that's why that that person volunteered that testimonial. Actually, I didn't ask for it and, you know, so just just one small example of the individual wins that can come out of an organizational program when the trust levels are high enough for you to be able to for me to be able to make an impact with those individuals.
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Unknown
Yeah, well, again, like the coffee example where, you know, if you're already stressed and then you're throwing in too much coffee to your diet, that can further push you over the edge into the stress response more and more. And so can too much exercise when you are stressed. Which is why I talk to my clients about a balance of, you know, strength and endurance, but also restorative exercise.
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Unknown
For those times when you're stressed because you get more benefit out of doing less home improvement. Yeah, in that way. So by the sounds of it, you're coloring the hovering the pillars of health, the basics of mind, body, food and connection, and you're just unraveling, you know, the threads. And it's unique for everybody, isn't it? But you know, with what people are allergic to, what people are doing too much of.
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Unknown
But then I want to ask you, like obviously, what's the common denominator across the board is there seems to be a mindset I don't know if you noticed this with your clients, but I do that forces our clients to push through with. She a willpower. But there's a different type of strength. We're teaching them to be resilient, isn't there?
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Unknown
And what does that mean for you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good. Good point. And I think society has a lot to answer for in terms of that conditioning. I think that's part of the let's just keep pushing and, and then you see I was watching the Netflix documentary on The Biggest Loser the other day, which is this is back in the nineties and I Jesus did I really do this stuff you know and and that formed you know that formed people's perception of what exercise should look like what working with a personal trainer should look like.
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Unknown
And and that's how you get results and it was really one dimensional and, and it kind of upset me that that was on TV for so long. And it just feeds into that that that's societal narrative and and that's the answer. And I mean, you know, I can't say I'm any better than that because I literally went down that exact same path, was just pushing, pushing and pushing.
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Unknown
But I think one of the lessons that I learned was that yoga is my friend and and I had never embraced it before. And the ironic thing is, my mother was a yoga teacher. really? Okay. But, you know, this is when I was a lot younger and it was kind of like, you know, I'm just rowing at school.
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Unknown
I'm not going to do this yoga. And and actually, you know, as to what you just referred to, Amanda, in terms of slowing down can be the most useful thing. That was one of the key components to my recovery, was to do two yoga sessions a week for a considerable amount of time. And I just protected that time for me and I made sure I had a little gap in my day so I could go and do the thing, come back, carry on with my day.
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Unknown
And slowly but surely my energy levels were restored amongst other things as well. But yeah, I think that is the common denominator. Yeah, I think it's also I think it's also driven by a world that is speeding up a ridiculous rate. Yes, we're expected to be able to do everything and more in the same amount of time that our parents and grandparents used to when the world was not going at this pace.
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Unknown
And I think it's not their fault. I think, you know, they're a victim of circumstances and it's people like us who are able to stand back and say to them, is there another way? What else could this look like? Give yourself a moment to think about it, because I know there is, but I need you to try and imagine it first so I can help you find that path as it's an inward journey too.
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Unknown
I think where we get our love connection and approval and we're shifting into a new identity where we're evolving like almost on a soul spiritual journey to realize that we don't have to be and do so much to be efficient or even to be enough. And so when you realize that and it really drops and you start to see how you learned it from, you know, when you were younger and what you watched growing up and then what you've built in your usually twenties and thirties, and then you in your forties, you go, there's got to be a different way and it's so much more rewarding and fulfilling when you can show up in your
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Unknown
day knowing that you're leading with total authenticity and you've really done the work on What Am I Doing that's in that category of needing to be enough, needing approval and all those extra things we tend to put on our to do list that we don't really want to do, but we think we should. That creates that inner resistance and sadness and depression and fight or flight.
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Unknown
Can you just let it all go? I really believe that that is building true resilience is knowing the answer to those questions for yourself. What about you? Yeah, yeah, I think you're right. And that's that self defense development piece. I think people and organizations are really good at going, right? How can we make our people better? And that's all about skill based development.
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Unknown
And you can, you can keep investing in that skill based development really blue in the face. But if the person doing it doesn't change, then the outcome is going to be the same. And, and so, yeah, taking that time to reflect, as you were talking, I was just thinking about FOMO. So FOMO is kind of one of those acronyms, which was doing the rounds a while back and I saw somebody post about re imagining FOMO as Jomo, so instilling a fear of missing out which drives anxiety and stress.
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Unknown
And so Jomo is the joy of missing out. Yes. So in other words, no, I can't come to that party because I'm doing something else and whatever it may be, and being able to say no and actually being really comfortable in that and knowing that you're buying yourself time, you're buying yourself calm, you're buying, you don't have to do all the things now.
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Unknown
And I think that sort of feeds into that piece of being very self aware of what you actually need and and not just going along with everything that's happening just because you feel like you should and not. And not giving in to the pressure and and that that classic FOMO. But I think you know there is that that that personal development piece you know and I, I like to read quite a lot and I don't like reading fiction.
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Unknown
It just I get frustrated with fiction because I don't feel like I'm learning on the same. And I haven't heard someone say that out loud before. I'm exactly the same. I try and I want to just rate of fun. The closest I got to was I just went to Thailand recently with my beautiful new feel and say, and we got engaged and we're over there and I brought over Elle McPherson's biography and that was the closest I could get to non self-help.
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Unknown
Yeah, you know, really it's a biography on it. So it was great and I did actually learn from her. So it kind of was it really itself. But I'm, I have a thirst for knowledge and and expanding and evolving as well and it's so nice to hear that you're the same. So I don't feel weird now. No, not at all.
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Unknown
Not at all. But what was the one that I was going to refer to in terms of reading the something about Joy of Missing Out? Yeah. So it's the name of that book I'm thinking is it's the fear of being disliked. So, so over. you know, that's what it's called, I think. The fear of being disliked. Yeah.
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Unknown
The courage, also the courage to be able to be disliked. I've read that he's got a few. He's got a few. Yeah. Yeah. And and that sort of feeds into that sort of stuff, that spiritual side of things that. And where do I sit on this continuum? Who am I, the students? Or am I the the teacher? And what lessons can I take from that book?
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Unknown
And so that that's that piece that I think you're hinting at as well with that self-development side of things is that, you know, the better we know ourselves, the better equipped we are to deal with anything that comes our way. And I think that to the journey, right, is an evolution. It's something that, you know, it's just is compounding and you're getting better and better at doing those things.
00;25;28;03 - 00;25;56;05
Unknown
Can you give me an example where you have seen and a wonderful transformation in what was a burnt out, you know, stressed leader where they, you know, really shifted into, you know, high performance but doing and being less a can and and it's and is somebody who you wouldn't expect it's not the CEO of a large organization. It's actually a woman who ran her own business.
00;25;56;05 - 00;26;26;26
Unknown
But she's my first she was my my officially first coaching client and and I use her I've got a course called Coaching for Coaches, and I use her as my example. When I when I when I teach the course because it went really well and it was I was really green and, you know, it was still learning the process, but we were supposed to do a like a voice call, like Zoom, you know, or whatever the phone version might be to be able to see each other, have a conversation.
00;26;26;26 - 00;26;44;22
Unknown
I think it was back in the Skype days, and we just couldn't get the tech to work. And so we ended up having a telephone conversation every single time we had a coaching session. So I'd pick the phone up, she'd pick the phone up. I've got my spreadsheet of things that I'm sort of tracking. And this this went on for months.
00;26;44;22 - 00;27;06;18
Unknown
So let me give you the the background of the lady. So she she'd gone through a divorce. She owned our business and she had a considerable client base. So she was a bookkeeper slash accountant. So it was a one man band with a little bit of help. And so she was kind of always a little bit overworked and so never, never quite felt in control.
00;27;06;18 - 00;27;35;05
Unknown
And so the big stressful event was obviously the divorce. You know, that can have a massive effect on your physiology right. Which we know. But then in the background, the ongoing stress was the fact that, you know, she was always on the treadmill trying to catch up with clients and never really felt like she was getting ahead. So, you know, one is the significant event and then you've got that ongoing background noise, which was a recipe for a classic recipe for stress and burnout.
00;27;35;07 - 00;27;59;06
Unknown
And so it went really well. We over the course of however many, however many months on the phone, Trish got back to a place where she was energized. She she had found another partner but wasn't married. She'd got her two kids at home and was working in her office at the bottom of the garden. And she she had this nice balance, but it was never quite right.
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Unknown
And so we got to the place where she was felt on top of things, like, you know, she did things like got more contractors in so she could delegate work out. So she was staying on top of the background burn out. And then it was just about finding a happy work life balance. For her, that meant she was still having a profitable business, but her energy levels were coming back to normal.
00;28;21;19 - 00;28;37;24
Unknown
So that was really rewarding for me because it was like, yes, pats on the back. You've done all the right things, Rich, yet you've nailed it. Tricia's a happy customer and know she's going to go on and and live a happy life. So yeah, it was a great story. Beautiful. You led her through the process. It's such an honor.
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Unknown
I find, you know, being a coach and helping someone to transform their health and life and business in that way, and you become quite close because it's quite a journey together. Yeah, very much so. well, can you please leave us with one tip of anyone out there that's really at the start of the process where they're feeling burnt out and they just don't know how to shift it and they can't really say that it's possible.
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Unknown
You know, what's one thing you would say to them? Chin Yeah, good, Good question. I think the one thing I would say to them is what's the one thing? So, yeah, it's always about making it as small and as achievable as it possibly can be. At the beginning of the journey. Yes. So I'm assuming that if I'm talking to them, they're open to change, they're wanting something to shift.
00;29;28;23 - 00;29;47;07
Unknown
Yeah. And my question to them is, what's what's one thing you can do today, tomorrow or by the end of the week that is going to help step you in that right direction. And I know that sounds really simple. And like you said at the beginning, they are these are simple but effective techniques and and the science backs it up.
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So, you know, you've got experts out there who have studied this stuff, which I just read their books, and I know that I trust them because they've done they've done the hard work. And and BJ Fogg, who's the World expert in inhabit change and behavior change, who wrote Tiny Habits, who was the the teacher of James Clare. You know, James Clare got all of his expertise from V.J. Fogg at Stanford.
00;30;14;08 - 00;30;36;25
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It's a really useful place to start because surely that's the gold standard in terms of, you know, looking at behavior change and how it's sustainable and how you're going to improve things as you go on. So that would be it's about that one thing. And once that person can commit to the one thing and complete the one thing, you know, they get that little dopamine hit.
00;30;36;27 - 00;31;01;26
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They are motivated by the success. And then that success will help them do the next thing. So I think that's really where the journey starts is what's one thing? Because then there's the belief is there, Yeah, beautiful. I really loved chatting to you this morning, Rich. You have really beautiful. You've got a beautiful story and I love what you do and I love what you're about and how you help your clients and you're just filled with knowledge.
00;31;01;26 - 00;31;18;13
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I could talk to you afterwards. Thank you. Thank you. It's been great talking. Thank you. So we can clients find you. You're based in New Zealand, but I imagine you do a lot of remote work. Yeah, I do. I reckon the probably the best place would be LinkedIn. So go and have a look for I go by Rich.
00;31;18;13 - 00;31;41;29
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But Richard Ellis is, is the, the full name on, on LinkedIn. If people are typing in rich and they can't find me that's why. Yeah. Links thing. Yeah yeah yeah. So yeah LinkedIn's LinkedIn's good. You can message people on LinkedIn and say hello and connect up. So I reckon that's probably the best place to follow. I'll put all of your links and your website and socials in the show notes.
00;31;42;01 - 00;32;11;04
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Rich, thank you so much for your time today. Thank you very much for having me and great chatting. Thank you everybody for listening to another episode on the Bin like Bamboo podcast. I'll see you next time. Thank you for joining us on the Bin Like Bamboo Resilience podcast. I hope today's conversation inspired you and if this resonated with you, please write, follow and share it with someone who needs to hear this episode.
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