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I was born to kill it.
I was meant to win.
I am down and willing,
so I will find a way.
It took a minute,
now it didn't have to ride away.
When it get hot in the kitchen,
you decide to stay.
That's how a winner's made.
Stick a fork in the head of
my dinner plate.
What is going on, everybody?
Welcome to the Clydesdale Media Podcast,
where we're celebrating the
athletes of the 2024
CrossFit Games Semifinals.
And I have with me CrossFit Games legend,
Will Morad.
What's going on, Will?
What's going on, man?
Happy to be here.
Yeah,
so what's interesting is I've been
around the sport a long
time as a volunteer and then into media.
I've been in the building
for a lot of your big events.
Yeah.
So in 2014 in Cincinnati,
I was there when you first
punched your ticket to the
CrossFit Games.
Oh, yeah.
Hey, man.
Hey, that venue.
That's one of my all-time favorite venues,
but definitely good
memories in Cincinnati.
That's rolling back the clock.
I haven't really thought
about that in a minute.
Yeah,
you kind of came out of nowhere that
year.
Yeah, I mean...
To the late, to the late.
Yeah.
Fair.
Like, I, I think I was,
I was one of the top seeds going in,
like after the open, um,
whatever that means, but yeah,
I didn't have a lot of
history behind my name at that point.
Uh, well, there you were.
Um, and it was a cool venue.
Like it had a great warmup area.
Um, yeah, huge warmup area,
like completely separate from the venue,
uh,
um it was a little bit of a
walk to get to the to the
arena but yeah still one of
my all-time favorite venues
I think just because of the
separation yeah because
once you were off the floor
you kind of were away from
everything got to be yeah
you know and you can shut
it down like really cool
the engines and then uh
restart which I appreciate
I mean every every venue is
a little bit different even last year at
In Orlando,
our hotel was right across the street.
So it's similar, right?
I like just to be able to
turn off the switch and
then turn it back on for the events.
And then I was in Knoxville
when you made the 81-point
comeback to punch your
ticket to the games.
Pretty epic events, man.
Yeah, man.
I've got a list of them now.
We're heading back to that arena.
So hopefully less stressful
competition next weekend.
Yeah.
So the big question for me
is you've been competing
both masters and elite
throughout the season.
You are,
you finished first in the semis
for 35 to 39.
Is there a focus or are you
just doing both until the
meter runs out somewhere?
No, the plan is Texas, but really,
and I wasn't really
planning on doing the masters until,
Um, just because my focus is Texas.
Uh, but there is some,
my family and my friends, my coaches,
a lot of people were like, dude,
no one's ever competed at both.
Um,
I think people have qualified for both.
I think Briggs, maybe Becca Voigt, um,
needed I'd need to check my
history or maybe you know
the answer to that but no
one's been able to compete
at both so the opportunity
to do something that's
never been done before in
the sport is kind of unique
um and rare opportunity not
everybody that gets the
chance for a first in a
sport so that's kind of
cool to me um and I i dave
actually came to
tennessee for one of the
open announcements and he
stopped by the gym we were
training at and he kind of
put the bug in my ear as
well he's like hey man why
don't you try to go for
both and I was like well
that's a lot of training
man and when you're about
to be I turned 35 on
saturday it's like you
gotta respect the body but
I ended up doing the
semifinals for the masters
actually did it I did the
whole simulation of the individuals and
Then I rested a day and then
I did all the Masters
semifinal events in like 36 hours.
So it was like a mini games
just to knock it out so I
could get back to
preparation for Knoxville.
So, yeah, I rushed through them all,
ended up winning that,
which is I would say was my expectation.
I think I'm probably the
first gen or like part of
that first gen of guys who
were like really
professionals that are now
aging up um and I think
there is a gap like now
between guys that have been
doing this as their
livelihood for a decade and
then people you know were I
don't know I just think
there's a gap right between
guys who have been bona
fide pros for a long time
and then now aging up so I
think from now on you're
going to see some top level
guys and girls starting
aging up and there will be
I wouldn't be surprised if
there's a big gap between
them and the rest of the
field in the age group
categories if they decide to keep going.
Yeah,
a lot of the OGs have not even
attempted the Masters.
You know, like your Riches, your, you know,
Scott Pancheck did last year,
but I got sick.
Yeah, I think he was sick.
He had the flu or something, which sucked.
But yeah, Scott did it.
I guess Spiel did it, Kasper Bauer,
Urencar, I'm leaving guys out.
So a couple guys have done it, but still,
they weren't 24 when they
got into the sport like I was, right?
And done it as their livelihood.
So it's a little bit different.
And for Rich, I mean, why would,
that dude's got nothing left to prove.
He's the man, so.
I get why he didn't do it.
It's a lot of training.
It's hard on your body.
I don't recover like I did when I was 24,
25, 26, 27.
And he's got kids and stuff.
So there's like, I don't have kids.
So there's a lot of just
lifestyle factors that I
think impact your ability
to continue to compete at
the highest level in sport
as you get older.
It just,
There's a lot of things that become, like,
you just reorganize your priorities,
which is life, right?
Yeah,
which is a couple roads I want to go
down.
One is the recovery.
Like,
I was talking to Jamie Hagia on Sunday,
and she's done the same thing, right?
She's done the Elite and the Masters.
It's like you don't really
get a weekend off.
Now she goes a week earlier
than you on semis.
So you actually had a little
bit bigger gap between age
group semis and elite semis.
How does the body feel after all that?
Uh, I feel okay.
You know, like I,
I feel like I have every
other year a little banged up.
I don't think I've gone into
a semifinal or a games healthy ever.
Um,
you know, but what's healthy, right?
Like I've, I've been training well.
Um,
my testing has gone very well for these
events.
The age group went well and
I was able to just kind of
coast through that.
So I feel like I'm a 35 year
old athlete who's been
competing in international
sports since he was 17.
So, you know, I, I, uh,
I feel good.
I'm happy.
Like spirits are high.
Um, today's a rest day, so that's nice.
I'll get some body work and, um,
thank you.
I do have a lot of nice books.
I know how to read.
It's pretty cool.
Um,
I think you're the first person to have
like a library behind you as we talked.
This is more of my wife, um,
as far as the aesthetic goes, but
I was a lit major, um,
X phase and lit major.
So there you go.
Yeah.
When I, when I graduated with my master's,
I swear I'd never read a book again.
Um, uh, business.
Okay, cool.
Yeah.
I'm the same way, man.
I read so much in college, especially for,
for lit.
Right.
And I read now more of just like training,
um,
guides and case studies and
things to improve recovery
like super boring black and
white stuff where
literature is a little bit
more gray as far as what
you're reading about but
yeah man yeah so my other
question that you brought
up is you've you've been
through a lot in your
career right you you had
the misdiagnosis in the
late teens your wife's
cancer all of those things has it
made you appreciate what you
have now more oh yeah man
and that's it was just
public I guess me going
through that stuff so it
seems it is does seem crazy
but I think everybody you
know has to go through
crazy things uh those were
just a bit more public
facing so it maybe is you
know magnified but um yeah
man I would say I
definitely appreciate things and
I think the athlete I was
going into the 2014 games
will look a lot different
than the athlete I am going
into the 2024 games,
assuming I go do my job next weekend.
So I'm just,
I've grown up in the sport and
I've had a lot of life experiences.
And I think those challenges
outside of the floor of
competition have helped me just grow
in life.
I've always said sports such
a great teacher, you know, and you have,
you know,
I've missed the games by one spot,
and I've made the games by one point,
like,
I've just have a lot of experience
in the sport and outside of
the sport to just give me a, I think,
a healthy perspective on
what is important to me and
what gives me fulfillment.
Not only like in my training
and the way I do that,
but just also in life and
and the way I'm the husband
I am and the brother and
the friend and all that.
So yeah, I've had a wild ride,
a little bit wilder than I
would have liked and a
little bit wilder than a
lot of athletes have had,
but I'm better because of it.
I wouldn't change a thing.
Yeah.
when you qualified for the first time,
that was the first time I'd
ever volunteered for an event.
So I instantly became a fan
because like you popped on the scene.
That was my first ever live event.
And then,
and then the misdiagnosis happened.
And I was like,
and we didn't really know about that.
You just stopped coming to events.
And it was like, what's going on.
Then when it popped up later
of what the reason was, like,
I just was in shock.
yeah yeah I don't know I've
always been a bit more
private with things like
that um and I just didn't
really it didn't really hit
me to be like oh this is
low as me you know I was
just gonna kind of move on
and I thought my my chapter
as a my chapter of life as
a pro athlete was over and
to be completely frank like to do
to get to the highest level
of sport is great, you know,
and I was at peace with that.
And,
and I thought that that was kind of
the end of that.
And I just was, I moved on and I,
I got a job in the tech
world with one of the
members of the gym I owned
at the time and just kind
of turn the page just to
keep using the metaphors of
the books behind me.
So, so yeah.
Yeah.
Um, so you're in Nashville now.
Um,
you're close to just about everything
that's happening except for Texas.
Like Knoxville is just down the road.
Then Birmingham,
if you would happen to go
to the masters games,
not that far from Nashville.
Um,
so you're kind of in the epicenter of
everything.
When did you move to Nashville and, and,
and why?
Yeah.
So I moved to Nashville in 1994.
Oh, wow.
with like, so I'm a unicorn here.
Um, I think I was, I was three or four, uh,
four,
I believe what 3 billion people have
moved there since it's yeah, dude,
it's crazy.
Like where my neighborhood
is right now was just cow pastures.
Um, uh, yeah,
we moved because of my dad's job.
Um, me and my brother, my sister, my mom,
my dad all moved here and I
I've grown up here and
lived here ever since.
So Nashville has changed quite a bit.
Um,
But it is the happening place.
It's, I think,
unique to be in a place that
for this long and to watch it change,
at least it seems unique,
maybe just because of the
enormity of what Nashville
has become now.
But yeah,
I am close to Knoxville and Birmingham.
They're both about two hours away.
So it's convenient for this year.
And I mean, Texas is what,
a 90-minute flight?
It's pretty easy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And two major airports.
So you're lucky there too.
Yeah, absolutely.
Um, so you left proven in the off season.
Are you coaching yourself or
do you have a coach?
Uh, yeah, I moved on from proven, um,
after the games, I, uh, no, I, I,
I did a lot of my own stuff
through the off season.
And to be, to be honest,
I did a lot of my stuff
throughout my whole career.
Um,
whether I was attached to a brand or not,
I just kind of liked the autonomy.
And I think that is, uh,
just being able to exercise
like my ex-fizz background
and things like that.
And, and trusting myself is important.
And I think most,
most athletes need to have
some autonomy in their life,
especially as they become, you know,
more veteran athletes.
No,
no coach is going to know exactly what
you need to do all the time.
They're just not in your body,
but I'm working with Max
Elhaj at TTT again, which has been great.
Yeah.
I've been working with him
since around Christmas time.
And yeah, it's no, it's,
business as usual with him.
Like we've known each other
a very long time,
so we know how to communicate.
There was no learning curve.
Uh, it was just back, back to work.
And like for someone who's
been around a lot, as long as you,
and you've actually done
some coaching yourself, like, yeah.
Do you and Max have like
this synergy where he knows
what you're capable of and
what you're going to take
care of and just where he has to step in?
Absolutely.
It's, there's a trust there.
And it's all about communication.
And we're great at that.
I'm actually talking to him
a little bit later today.
But yeah, he trusts me.
And I think it would be
almost a regression for me
and for him if I just put
everything on his plate.
So he's helped me a lot.
Just
develop as an athlete to
trust my process um to
trust him and to
communicate with him and to
understand that he's going
to look at things
objectively and what he
thinks I can actually do
and and approach them on
how we can improve my
performance where sometimes
if you try to do that
yourself it's easier to be
a little bit subjective or
biased towards different
things so yeah he's
he's great to work with.
I actually, one of my clients,
I am coaching.
One of my clients has
qualified for the masters games,
Beth Gillette.
So that's pretty cool.
I can, I can add that to the resume,
which felt just as good as
making the games to be
completely honest with you,
like making the games last
year versus getting one of
my clients to qualify for the games.
So that's that was really cool.
I would just love to get
more eyes on the Masters altogether.
I covered Legends last year.
There's so many stories in
that group of people that
need to be told.
And so we're definitely
going to be covering the
Masters games this year.
Very cool.
So that's always baffled me
with people who coach
themselves is how they can self-assess
without bias.
So it's cool that you have
someone like Max that you
can talk to that's going to
give you the frank answer.
Like, no, you really suck at that.
Exactly.
Right.
You know?
Well, like in pro sport, it's,
there's no sugarcoating it.
You know,
if you need to snatch 300 pounds
and you can't snatch 300 pounds and
then you need to learn how to do that.
And at this point in the sport,
everybody's like, oh, how do I do this?
What do I need to do?
There's so much data on what
the best in the world are capable of.
Just open your browser and Google things,
and you could probably write out
exactly what metrics you
need to be across the games
athlete or get pretty damn
close I mean there's no
secret everybody's like oh
I got the secret program I
got this it's like no at
this point sport's been
around long enough you've
got some of the best
athletes to ever do it and
all their data and all
their regional scores and
game scores chase those you
know it's it's it's right
in front of you um and
that's the truth right
you're the coaches I think
all the big coaches are
using those numbers um what
else are we going off of right so
when it sounds like you're a
data guy and you know,
max well known for being a data guy, um,
are,
do you have everything spreadsheet it
out?
Like this is where, where we, not,
not to the,
not to probably what Brent has
it spreadsheet it out as like that.
But, um, uh, yeah, I mean, I,
I know I have plans and,
I mean,
I don't know exactly what you mean
by spreadsheet it out,
but I have a lot of data
points and especially in pre-competition,
I have a lot of key
indicators of where I need
to be in workouts, in preparation,
in warmups, in recovery,
everything is mapped out.
And a lot of that is really
just intuitive at this point.
It's just programmed into me.
So what does it look like on
a competition weekend?
Is max going to be there?
Do you,
does your coach's band go to
someone else that you just
need as support or a pack mule or.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a little bit of both, right?
My wife will probably get my coaches past.
She got it last time we were in Knoxville.
So we'll just keep the good vibes there.
Uh, but max will be there.
I'm sure Travis will give max his,
so he'll be in the warmup area with us.
Um,
And then I'll have a body work guy, Chris,
come with me, which is very important.
Just keeping the body fresh
for the weekend.
And that's it.
Business as usual.
Once we get to Knoxville,
everything's on repeat.
And it's just rinse, repeat.
With you and Travis both being under Max,
do you ever train together?
Or are you just veterans and
you just do your own thing?
We trained together a lot in the past.
Since I've come back on with Max,
I haven't been down to Atlanta yet.
I assume I'll go down there
for a few weeks for games prep,
assuming we both make it next weekend.
And me and Travis are longtime friends.
He was my first other pro
training partner I had in my career.
We started training together
right after the games in 14.
So there's a lot of miles on
that relationship.
And obviously he's had it.
a lot of changes in life
with his family growing.
And I've had a lot of changes in my life,
obviously,
with all the challenges you've
spoke about earlier.
So we've kind of been
friends through all that, which is,
it kind of transcends sport
at that point.
So he's a great friend of mine.
And yeah, to answer your question,
we're just kind of both
pros on the weekend.
And we kind of do our on the
day to day to just do our own thing.
And
Really,
we check up on each other just
how's the fam more now than
how's training going.
We've shared semifinal event
scores and stuff like that
just to get good pace
strategies and insights.
But really,
it's just checking up on the human.
So I actually talked to Kira
Napoli yesterday who Travis
is coaching and dipping his
toe in that coaching water.
And it was really
fascinating to hear her
perspective on Travis as a coach.
Um,
but that they have all these
ground rules because he has
four kids and a wife and
needs to get to all that.
But it was really fascinating,
and I love Travis,
so it's going to be fun to
see him back on the floor
next week as well.
So the workouts are out.
Everybody has said you can
take these six workouts,
drop them in 2014 or 15,
and they would fit.
that it's just classic
CrossFit nothing I'd like
to see I'd like to see the
guys run in 2014-15 I would
have been alright I was
always a good runner but
the running game has
changed a lot since my
first year to now in a
great way everybody's a
great runner now at least
like the top you know top
10 15 guys at the games are
quality runners so other
than that one which would have been
uh I think there would have
been just a bigger spread
um yeah I agree yeah it's a
great weekend you've been
to knoxville any ideas
where you're where they're
going to make your run I
have an idea um there's a
like a yeah I think I think
I have an idea where the
route will be the loving cock area
Yeah, we'll run out the loading dock,
and then I think we'll loop
around to that one side,
not up towards the parking garage,
but down around the other side.
And then I think that's flat-ish,
and it's a longer area,
and we might do like a loop
there or something.
Other than that, if it's not,
then it's going to be a hilly run,
or maybe they bring those
treadmills out for us.
I don't think they're
bringing the treadmills out.
Yeah, I doubt it.
It would make sense to go
out the loading docks.
and either go down or up the hill, right?
Yeah, well,
I think it's flattish if you go
to the right, if you go out.
Okay.
But who knows?
Well, it's as flattish as Tennessee is.
Exactly.
Yeah, and that area in Knoxville,
just where the Civic Center is,
is pretty hilly.
So we'll see.
We'll know next week.
You did 16 regional snatch ladder.
Yes.
how how much better are you
today than you were that
much much better which is
nice for an old man I was
like oh dang that's a
really good score now so
hopefully I can replicate
that on on sunday after mid
morning or whenever that is
uh jake chapman says will
looks like bradley cooper
if he lifted weights I
think that's a good thing I
think so too I take that um
have a baseball cap
collection I'm a cubs fan
how about that I'm sorry
about that I'm a chicago
bears fan but I'm a
pittsburgh pirate fan see I
just picked all the losing
teams yeah I've kind of
been in that realm for a
long time too um but yeah
and then someone compared
you to uh troy or gladiator or 300.
Or which one do you prefer?
Troy?
Those are all those are all tough.
So 300 kind of inspired the
CrossFit thing because all
those dudes were doing Jim
Jones back in the day.
We can really test people's
trivia on CrossFit.
So Mark Twight, who is a friend of Dave's,
I guess, trained those guys for 300.
So there's a little CrossFit
connect there.
I think Gladiator's got to get the nod,
right?
Like it won.
it probably inspired those
other two movies.
So my pick, but I'm not, yeah.
Yeah.
Russell Crowe was amazing in that.
And, and, uh, what, uh, the Phoenix guy,
uh, yeah.
Joaquin Phoenix.
Yeah.
He was, he was awesome in that as well.
Um, but yeah.
So, uh, what's the plan for Knoxville?
You, you live fairly close.
Are you going in just Thursday?
Uh,
uh we'll go up wednesday get
settled I mean the good
thing about being able to
drive up there is we do all
the meal prep and I'll get
my last training session in
here probably at the house
and then uh we'll go up
wednesday get settled do a
flush out thursday check in
and then showtime baby and
uh you say workout at the
house does your garage have
everything or do you have
to go to an affiliate for some aspects
yeah I have everything I
mean I have a 14 foot rope
I probably won't do rope
climbs on wednesday other
than that I have pretty
much everything it's like
25 feet and yeah I don't
I've accumulated enough
over the past decade where
I can I if I needed to I'd
get by and train for the
games in there which is super convenient
So is it like a barn or is
that just a big garage?
It's just a three-car garage.
It's right on the other side of this wall,
actually.
That's nice.
Yeah.
Maybe I'll do like a little
garage gym tour or something.
What was amazing is
yesterday Rogue announced
that they were moving out
of their original facility.
And I live here in Columbus.
So they posted like all the
equipment is free.
Just come and get it.
No way.
And I was in a training for
work and I could not get out.
I bet that thing was empty so quick.
Oh, when they used to do the garage sale,
like the amount of people.
And that was just when they
reduced the price.
Like this was free.
They would have been like
cockroaches flying.
Yeah.
It's so sad.
I missed it.
Cause my garage gym is not that big.
Uh, and I do have some nice equipment.
I just, if I can get a little more,
I'm going to go get free.
I mean, so, um, goals for this weekend,
just, just qualify.
Or do you have like,
do you want to hit like
event wins or something like that?
Yeah.
I, I mean, I finished six last year,
pretty much the same field.
I'd like to improve on that.
Uh,
That's as simple as that.
Top five, I guess it would be.
In North America East, it's a true test.
How you finish there tells
you if you'll be good at
the games as well because
you have a lot of top tier athletes.
We have a really studly
layout of athletes.
That's never changed for where I compete.
I've always been in the
most competitive region my
whole career and I've
always had you know a
pretty good finish at those
events so um yeah I think
it is somewhat indicative
of how you'll finish at the
games but also the tests
are a bit different at the
games there's usually
double the events at the
games um and it's like
who's peaking and that's
another thing that like a
lot of people don't talk
about like have you peaked
correctly it's it nothing's guaranteed
for, for anybody.
And we have the best, I mean, we got Adler,
we got Krennikov, uh, Dallin, Hopper,
Trav, me, Saxon, Spence, uh, who else?
I'm forgetting some guys,
but like we have a studly, studly, uh,
roster of athletes, bunch of like,
there's always new guys.
So, um,
you never know who's going to come
out of the woodwork.
I don't,
I don't know what will happen in Texas,
but, um,
It's probably an okay
indication of what will happen in Texas.
I finished 6th at North
America and then 14th at the Games.
I'm sure somebody's got some
BS spreadsheet that can compute that.
If you do well at semifinals
in a tough field,
then hopefully you'll do
well at the Games in a tougher field.
it's so funny cause you
started your career with
Scott and rich in your, in your region.
And that 2014 year, like that was epic.
And you were,
you were in the mix with all that.
And the two of them going at it,
that was just craziness.
That was, I mean,
we had a lot of guys that, I mean,
you had Graham Marcus, Nick, your anchor,
Nick Corey, Alex Anderson.
Yeah.
Central central is no joke.
Yeah, it's the same thing, though, right?
Like, we got a bunch of top 10 guys still.
You know,
it's always a bunch of top 10
guys at our semifinal.
So, yeah, man, I don't know.
It's just what I've been used to,
and you go out there and
you race as hard as you can,
and you see where the cards fall.
Doesn't it make you peak
differently than if you
were in another division, another region?
I think I train equally as hard,
no matter what region I was in, you know,
I don't think it changes my
preparation for, uh, for a big,
a big championship weekend.
Like next weekend will be right.
Uh, or we call,
I call it North America champs.
I think that sounds better
than syndicate crown, uh,
at least for the greater
cross people that don't
know what CrossFit is.
They probably have heard of
like North America champs.
If it's like for track and
field or something,
I don't know if it sounds better.
yes the crown sounds like a
game of thrones yeah like I
don't yeah they don't give
me the chance to name
anything yeah but yeah I'm
excited man uh it seems
like a watching last week
started to get me a little
bit excited this weekend
will get me more excited um
and then yeah I'm just I'm
ready to get out there and
and see what I can do did
you learn anything from watching europe
Yeah, I mean,
it kind of gives you an
indication of how your testing went,
which is always a good thing.
It's kind of like what we
were talking about with Max
and just your coach's role
in giving you the truth.
Now you kind of have the
answers to the test.
Close-ish.
We don't know how far the run was,
obviously.
That's the one event that's
kind of an up in the air
because their run could be
vastly different than ours.
What was the temperature?
All that type of stuff
changes what that dynamic is.
But everything else is straight up.
It's all on the same competition floor.
I believe all the
competition floors are
probably the same size and stuff.
I think they're pretty much all the same,
except for the tennis stadium.
I've heard that it's shorter
and it's outdoor.
They're going to have a
couple different factors
that others aren't going to have.
Exactly.
I think that's vast.
Even comparing semifinal to semifinal,
if those dudes are
competing in 100-degree sun,
it may be different than
competing indoors or in a cooler climate.
I mean, handstand walking on
lava rubber is different so
they'll probably do like
the glove rule or whatever
like they've done in the
past if it's out there yeah
who knows air conditioning
may go down in knoxville
you never know yeah I hope
not yeah I hope not a year
did that at the games man
it was sweltering and that
was at 21 yeah yeah I
remember that during the
thruster wall walk workout
man I've never sweat more
I was, like,
slipping out on my wall walks.
It was like a splash zone
every time you guys came
down off the wall walk.
Oh, yeah.
Well, Will, this has been a blast.
I want to thank you so much.
Good luck next week in Knoxville.
We're hoping to be there.
And we hope you punch your
ticket to the games again.
I appreciate you.
All right, man.
Everybody in the chat,
you've been a blast.
Thank you so much.
And we'll see everybody next
time on Clydesdale Media Podcast.
Bye, guys.