The Music of Echos of Wisdom

In this cozy (and slightly sleep-deprived) music episode, David and Kady press play on the soundtrack of The Legend of Zelda: Echoes of Wisdom. From the opening dungeon and Hyrule Castle Town to the Still World and the Great Fairy theme, they dig into what makes this score feel so fresh, toy-like, and surprisingly chill. Along the way, they talk composers, clever musical callbacks to Link’s Awakening, and why this game’s sound feels like it’s breathing right alongside you as you play.

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David Geisler

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Host

Kady Roberts

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Kady Roberts: 00:22

Hello, and welcome to another Zelda podcast. My name is David Geisler, and I am here with Katie Roberts. You always get surprised when I do the last names.

David Geisler: 00:30

Because I never remember if I'm supposed to do them, so I didn't do them last episode, but

Kady Roberts: 00:34

I don't know if we're supposed to.

David Geisler: 00:35

It's great.

Kady Roberts: 00:36

Sometimes I say David, sometimes I say the full thing, David Geisler. I'm not sure why.

David Geisler: 00:39

Spicing it up.

Kady Roberts: 00:40

Whatever strikes me in the moment. Yeah. Katie, how are you?

David Geisler: 00:44

I'm good. I'm a little sleepy, a little hungry, but I'm excited to listen to some music.

Kady Roberts: 00:48

Very hungry too, honestly. My stomach was growling when we were getting set up. It's alright. Both you and I had to be to work our own separate jobs very, very early. Well, for me, was yesterday morning.

Kady Roberts: 00:59

For you, it's also this morning. Were up at like three in the morning to get to the radio station. And, we're just kind of pushing right now. It's now it's actually 05:30 at night.

David Geisler: 01:08

It's not bad.

Kady Roberts: 01:08

Not bad, but pretty dang close to bedtime. We had to be up at three. You've got like three more hours. It's basically it's the equivalent of like 08:00 or 09:00 at night right now for But other anyways, we are today, we are tonight. We are talking about the music in Echoes of Wisdom.

Kady Roberts: 01:25

We have Schrodinger on the table here. He's getting nice and comfy. There we go.

David Geisler: 01:28

He's ready for story time.

Kady Roberts: 01:30

He's ready. He he joins us all the time when we record. I'm not sure what he thinks is going on, but Uh-huh. It's all good. Are you checking levels over there?

David Geisler: 01:38

Yeah. I just wanted to make sure that my mic was picking up, but it is.

Kady Roberts: 01:41

Oh, it is. Yeah. It's just that the window here is covering.

David Geisler: 01:44

Yeah. No. No. No. It's it's all good.

David Geisler: 01:45

Just wanted to make sure it wasn't through the same, mic as both of them.

Kady Roberts: 01:49

Oh, right. Yeah. Let's have a tech meeting here on air. Yeah. No.

Kady Roberts: 01:53

We're good. Good. We're good. Yeah. So we're gonna be doing our music episode, music of Echoes of Wisdom.

Kady Roberts: 01:58

Yeah. We're excited about this episode, because this is obviously one of the newest Zelda games. And a lot of times you do a music a lot of times when you do a music episode Mhmm. It's like, oh, I remember twenty years ago first playing Wind Waker and how it affected me hearing this song. And, oh, I remember ten years ago when I experienced this song for the first time and every time I hear it in a remix, I'm But all these songs are like really new.

Kady Roberts: 02:20

Only about a year old, you know what I mean?

David Geisler: 02:22

Yeah. No. Before we started doing this even, I had to like, pull up the Zelda Wiki and kind of refresh a little bit, because I remember when this game came out, I was sick at home in Michigan

Kady Roberts: 02:36

Mhmm.

David Geisler: 02:36

At my parents' house, and the game came out, and I played it nonstop in bed for like, two or three days, and finished it, as soon as it came out. So, because I was like, I'm sick, I might as well just lay here and play it nonstop.

Kady Roberts: 02:49

Oh, if only I could get sick and play some video games, that'd be so nice.

David Geisler: 02:53

So it's been a minute for my brain. Sure. So I had to do a refresher, but I do remember really liking the music, and I did absolutely enjoy this game.

Kady Roberts: 03:02

I remember being tremendously impressed with the music in Link's Awakening, which of course Echoes of Wisdom is kind of a spiritual successor to. It's the same, studio and everything, Gresso, I believe. Yeah. And, though we did a little bit of research and we found that there was a lot of Nintendo composers that have been involved in other games that also worked on this game, which I might might inform what we listen to. But before we get into all of that, listener feedback.

Kady Roberts: 03:26

Woo hoo. I think that's the new yeah. Woo hoo. You've done the Woo hoo before. Awesome.

Kady Roberts: 03:30

I love it. Tom Toro y seven x over on, it looks like maybe Instagram or YouTube, it doesn't matter, said, I love this pod. I have sent you guys a few listener feedbacks, before, and I would love it if you could read one of them. I am nine, and I have played more Zelda games than I can count. Oh.

Kady Roberts: 03:53

But Breath of the Wild is still my favorite game, and then, like, 30 green hearts. Well, Tom Toro, y seven x, we will keep an eye out. I'm happy we're reading your comment right now, but if there's anything you'd like to specifically ask us for our next listener feedback episode, be sure to reach out in a comment or something. We'll keep an eye out. Thank you, Tom.

Kady Roberts: 04:11

Toro.

David Geisler: 04:12

Yeah. No. Thank you so much. I love hearing from the younger listeners. It's always so cute.

Kady Roberts: 04:17

Seven. Seven years old.

David Geisler: 04:18

Nine years old.

Kady Roberts: 04:19

Nine? Oh, I saw the seven in why seven? That's Okay. What it

David Geisler: 04:24

Oh, yeah. That was a comment on Ocarina of Time three d, it says. Mhmm. So this next one is just an Apple Podcast review. It is from pizza one one one one one one one million ones.

David Geisler: 04:36

And it just says, great podcast, five stars. This podcast is great. You guys should play Majora's Mask next. I heard that game is good. I would also love to

Kady Roberts: 04:45

play We're Majora's trying to space them out, but I would love to play Majora's Mask next.

David Geisler: 04:48

I am a newcomer for the Legend of Zelda series, and I have played Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom, and I am playing Skyward Sword right now, but I want to know what Zelda game I should play next. I have Echoes of Wisdom, so should it be that? Thanks. This podcast is great with six green hearts.

Kady Roberts: 05:05

Maybe. If you have a Switch you played well, I don't know. I don't think someone, like, needs to play Link's Awakening before playing Echoes of Wisdom. Mhmm. But it could be kinda cool if you wanted to play Link's Awakening next because it knowing that it's the same company Mhmm.

Kady Roberts: 05:20

That that Grezzo did a remake, and then they were able to kinda make their own game is kinda interesting from a historical point of view. But honestly, if you have Echoes, I say go for it.

David Geisler: 05:29

Yeah. Echoes is great. Or if you want kind of like the I struggle to say proper experience because however you play Zelda games is completely valid. Mhmm. But, I would recommend if you play Link's Awakening DX first, because that is a really good lead into Echoes of Wisdom.

David Geisler: 05:49

As someone that was hesitant to play Link's Awakening Mhmm. I just think that with that transition of the art styles, it feels like a continuation of Link's Awakening in a way.

Kady Roberts: 05:58

I don't wanna get technical, but you said Link's Awakening DX, was the game which is the Game Boy Color version.

David Geisler: 06:03

Oh, my bad.

Kady Roberts: 06:03

What's what's 2019 remake?

David Geisler: 06:06

Yeah. Whatever the 2019

Kady Roberts: 06:07

remake is. I honestly just called Link's Awakening. So like Oh, well, there you Link's Awakening 2019.

David Geisler: 06:11

My bad. No. Not not the Game Boy version. Unless you want that.

Kady Roberts: 06:14

That one's cool too. Yeah. And the Link's Awakening Switch remake is based on the DX one with the extra dungeons and stuff like that. Yeah. I agree.

Kady Roberts: 06:22

And that could be kinda cool. And also if you if you all you have is a Switch, all these games are available on the Switch. Yeah. And if you have the online service, you could even play Link's Awakening DX on the on the Game Boy app. Okay.

Kady Roberts: 06:33

Here we go. Over on YouTube here, we have a comment on the top 10 items we wish we had in real life episode. And Federid Faye, which I believe we've heard from before oh, absolutely, we have, says here, mine would be the cooking pot. Oh, so, of course, this was an episode where we talked about the the aptly titled things that we wish we had in real life that are in Zelda games. And a few of our as we were doing that episode, Katie, you might recall that some of the things we seemed like great ideas.

Kady Roberts: 06:56

And then once we started analyzing, it was like, oh, maybe you don't want that in Like real the spinner was one of those jump on that crazy top and spin around. Oh my gosh. Anyways, so Federate Faye here says, mine would be the cooking pot. Throw a few things in and bing bada boom. Here's your meal.

David Geisler: 07:13

Ugh. Only.

Kady Roberts: 07:16

Four green heart emoji four green heart emojis and then three black heart emojis with a little arrow that says Zelda Goth, which is one of the reasons I loved Twilight.

David Geisler: 07:25

I love hearing from Goth and alt people. Thank you so much.

Kady Roberts: 07:32

Mhmm. What the heck just happened?

David Geisler: 07:34

So, you remember how just like five seconds ago, we read a comment from Tom Toro y seven x saying, please read one of my comments.

Kady Roberts: 07:40

Is this another one?

David Geisler: 07:41

This is one of his comments. When I gathered the snare feedback, I did not do that intentionally. That is so funny. So hello Elijah, because that's apparently your name. We're reading one for you now.

Kady Roberts: 07:53

This is so fitting.

David Geisler: 07:54

This is on the Echoes of Wisdom episode that we did over on YouTube. It says, hi, my name is Elijah and I am nine years old, and I absolutely love your podcast. The Legend of Zelda is one of my favorite games, and I love the way David and all the other hosts talk about it. I have listened to all the episodes, and please read my comment on one with a smiley face and probably like 30 green hearts going.

Kady Roberts: 08:19

We might have read that one before, and I love it. I'm so happy that we're reading it here. That is great. And on the Echoes of Wisdom, kind of our Echoes of Wisdom kind of review episode Yeah. And here

David Geisler: 08:28

we are

Kady Roberts: 08:29

now doing the music episode. Super cool. On our Wind Waker first impressions episode, which was like a light review, we technically Mhmm. If this was like just getting started, I don't know if we've actually reviewed Wind Waker yet. Oh, Wind Waker HD.

Kady Roberts: 08:41

We're waiting for Wind Waker HD, hopefully on the Switch or something.

David Geisler: 08:43

I love Wind Waker HD so much.

Kady Roberts: 08:47

Because you played it on the on the Wii U, obviously.

David Geisler: 08:49

I played it on the Wii U and I played it, in the marathon at Zelda Dungeon and did very well. That very close to my heart. I love that game.

Kady Roberts: 08:57

Yes. Yes. That's right. Well, then if that's the case, maybe we do Twilight Princess HD first when and if it comes out on Switch. But until then, Triforce Liz over here commented on YouTube for our eighth episode of season seven, Wind Waker first impressions, like I said.

Kady Roberts: 09:10

And here's my over scientifically brained thinking. They couldn't have river Zora in a saltwater ocean, and that's why they got turned into birds. Oh.

David Geisler: 09:19

That's actually kinda smart.

Kady Roberts: 09:20

I really love these episodes. It's so exciting to get to hear from someone who's playing a Zelda game for the first time. Obviously, that's kind of the role

David Geisler: 09:27

Oh, yeah.

Kady Roberts: 09:27

You're taking here, Katie, which I think is so fantastic, especially someone as enthusiastic and thoughtful as Katie. Well, there we go.

David Geisler: 09:34

Very sweet.

Kady Roberts: 09:34

Despite its many flaws, I have some positive hot takes about Phantom Hourglass. So I'm looking forward to that episode. Well, of course, we've just recorded that episode. It's out now. Yeah.

Kady Roberts: 09:44

And then, of course, Triforce Liz here gave us five green heart emojis.

David Geisler: 09:48

Yeah, absolutely share any and all of your hot takes, because I'm a fan of it. I love the conversation. I feel like

Kady Roberts: 09:56

Phantom Hourglass was made for you. I realized after that review episode, you're kind of like, go speed run it, go get it

David Geisler: 10:01

attitude I'm with some of those very much a completionist, so it was very much made for me. However, as with almost everything, everyone has different styles. So something that is amazing to one person might not really do it for another person, And that's completely fine and valid, and I love having that conversation open so we can acknowledge the flaws of things, but also acknowledge where something shines, and we can kind of reach that middle ground with things. So absolutely, share all your positive feedback, share all your negative feedback, all your hot takes, all your great takes. I would love to hear them.

Kady Roberts: 10:37

Love it. Thank you so much for that, Katie. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, I say we dive right in.

Kady Roberts: 10:42

Actually, let's we we did a little bit of research beforehand, and we found that there were multiple composers for Echoes of Wisdom.

David Geisler: 10:48

Yeah. Did you want me to pull up all their names? Because I I have them right here.

Kady Roberts: 10:52

I have the two that worked on there were two that also worked on other Zelda games, like Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom, and that was Manaka Kotoka and Masato Ohashi. Still laughing at me.

David Geisler: 11:10

No. Sorry. I I come from a weeb background, so hearing you pronounce Japanese names makes me laugh every time.

Kady Roberts: 11:16

It's embarrassing, and I'm I'm embarrassing myself. But but you do what you do. And, both of these composers also worked on tears of kingdom, breath of the wild, and as well, Manaka Katoka, she also worked on a lot of, like, Animal Crossing games and stuff like that. But there's a few others that were, I guess, newcomers to this this game.

David Geisler: 11:36

Yeah. Also, one of them, Azusa Kato, he also, it seems, was a sound director director for for Breath Breath of of the the Wild Wild and and Tears Tears of of the the Kingdom. Kingdom.

Kady Roberts: 11:46

Oh, interesting.

David Geisler: 11:47

So, the way this works, sorry if I'm wrong, I'm just reading this from Google. It seems that there was a head music director, and that was, Hajime Wakai.

Kady Roberts: 11:56

Okay.

David Geisler: 11:57

And then underneath him, there were seven different composers. So, was, Masato Ohashi, Manaka Katoaka, Chisaki Hosaka, Reika Nakai, Yuri Go to and Ryotaro Yagi. Oh, and Azusa Kato.

Kady Roberts: 12:16

Right.

David Geisler: 12:16

Which Azusa Kato, according to this, I guess his style is what gave Echoes of Wisdom the melodic and playful and unusual instrumentation that makes it sound very toy like. Yeah. So I guess he was the one responsible for that.

Kady Roberts: 12:34

I'm remembering now that when we listened to Link's Awakening, I'm only assuming some of the composers were similar. Remember we actually found a literal toy piano in some of those tracks?

David Geisler: 12:41

And I'm I don't want to spoil anything, but I did listen to these tracks ahead of time so I could get some notes on it. Yes. And it it completely follows through. It's very it not only does the game itself feel like a continuation of Link's Awakening remake, but it even the music and everything, and there's even songs that were taped directly from Link's Awakening remake and then put in this with different instrumentation or like remix.

Kady Roberts: 13:06

Oh, I can't wait. These are gonna be new to me. I've been playing Echoes of Wisdom, and my main takeaway with the music has been that I really love it when there's just it's when you play Echoes of Wisdom and a little bit Link's Awakening as well, and this is also true for some other Zelda games, but for me it really stood out that it just really feels like you're listening to like real music. And then it's not to say that other music isn't real. What I mean by that is like it kind of feels like it transcends that kind of like sometimes, you know, music cues and music stings or you'll have a drum just kind of go.

Kady Roberts: 13:34

Yeah. And it feels like it's happening at exactly the right time and in the right way. And different tracks are fading in and out. And it's it's surprised me many times in a good way. Yeah.

Kady Roberts: 13:43

You almost feel like you're you're sitting almost like the group of magicians. Musicians are sitting there with you kind of improving along with you as you're playing. Yeah. And that's a really cool feeling. So the first one we have here is the opening dungeon.

David Geisler: 13:57

Yeah. Shall we listen? Beginning of the game.

Kady Roberts: 13:59

We have these. A lot of these are like four or five minutes long. Probably just listen to the first Yeah.

David Geisler: 14:02

I probably won't listen to all of but yeah.

Kady Roberts: 14:05

Bringing up my timer here to make sure.

David Geisler: 14:07

Yeah. You're good. Before we get in then Mhmm. To fluff a little bit. So the opening song here is when you are still playing as Link

Kady Roberts: 14:15

Mhmm. At the

David Geisler: 14:15

very beginning of the game.

Kady Roberts: 14:16

Ah, so we might hear some Hyrule themes or something.

David Geisler: 14:22

So it is very much the final boss, because it's the final boss for Link.

Kady Roberts: 14:27

When

David Geisler: 14:27

you start the game, you have all of your hearts, you got everything all ready, you're going at it, it's great.

Kady Roberts: 14:36

Yeah. That's right. The beginning of this game is supposed to kinda feel like the end of a different game.

David Geisler: 14:40

Yeah. It's supposed to kind of prank you a little bit, which it did when I first played it, for sure. I was confused as to what was happening.

Kady Roberts: 14:47

Yeah.

David Geisler: 14:51

I will say though, there's this kind of xylophone in the background, which oh, that's the Zelda theme. Yep. But there's this xylophone console in the background, and it's kind of spoiler alert. The big bad of this game is a being called a gnoll. It is not actually Ganon.

David Geisler: 15:18

And gnoll is represented a lot in his themes with the xylophone. So it's almost like gnoll is still creeping in the background, ready to kind of pull his final thing there at the end when he grabs Link and Ganon.

Kady Roberts: 15:33

Some foreshadowing. Mhmm. Alright. Next up is Ganon appears. Ganon appears.

Kady Roberts: 15:37

Here we go. Right?

David Geisler: 15:41

What I haven't played this game, but this is the exact same song when you meet him in Link to the Past.

Kady Roberts: 15:46

I believe it. This was very the whole opening to this game is very Link to the Past vibes.

David Geisler: 15:52

There's a lot of ties to Link to the Past, which I was surprised when I was doing some research on music.

Kady Roberts: 15:56

I mean, look, the layout of the land is kinda similar Mhmm. The main map. Mhmm. Mhmm.

David Geisler: 16:02

Ganon's always associated with reverse notes in those kind of vocals, operatic vocals. Chicken ear. Mhmm.

Kady Roberts: 16:15

This whole thing's only about forty seconds.

David Geisler: 16:16

Mhmm.

Kady Roberts: 16:17

So we'll take it to the end. Sure. Cool. Hyrule Castle Town.

David Geisler: 16:26

Yeah.

Kady Roberts: 16:27

Here it goes. Of course. Oh, and it even does the from Ocarina of Time.

David Geisler: 16:35

Got the claves in the background, which is very interesting to me that they used claves for this place.

Kady Roberts: 16:40

Yeah. Normally, that's they're like

David Geisler: 16:42

It's more of a, like, Hispanic, like it tends to be used a lot in the games for Gore area.

Kady Roberts: 16:49

Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. It's almost the driving thing.

David Geisler: 16:58

Oh, it absolutely is. It's what keeps the pace, which maybe they used it because it's a lot lighter than any than most other percussion instruments to kinda keep it light and airy.

Kady Roberts: 17:10

I mean, I'm it is evoking a bit of a festival for me, even though I don't think that's exactly what's going on. I'm also kind of remembering Minish Cap, which just opens with a festival.

David Geisler: 17:18

Yeah. It's very much a dance. She can get a dance outfit for Zelda.

Kady Roberts: 17:26

Which we just got done doing our Breath of the Wild armor episode. Did you find yourself what what was your go to costume for Zelda in Echoes of Wisdom?

David Geisler: 17:37

Oh, man. I think I had her in that well, do you wanna know the one I had on the most or the my favorite?

Kady Roberts: 17:43

I guess both.

David Geisler: 17:45

My favorite was one of her final outfits. If I remember correctly, it's been a a while. My favorite was, like, her classic dress, but she had, like, the hood and everything on. Mhmm. But I wore the red tango dress the most because of the spin attack that you can do in it.

Kady Roberts: 18:06

I don't know what you're talking about. Interesting.

David Geisler: 18:08

Oh, well, you can get a red spin attack? Yeah. You can get a red tango dress, and it you can, like, spin around in it.

Kady Roberts: 18:14

Maybe I I thought I there's I know that there's only five outfits is what I understand. Have you gotten more than five?

David Geisler: 18:19

I think so.

Kady Roberts: 18:21

I could just be wrong. Maybe there are more. Three main outfits and then two that you get with Amiibo. But maybe

David Geisler: 18:28

there's Yeah. I didn't get any with Amiibo.

Kady Roberts: 18:30

Fascinating.

David Geisler: 18:31

But I also did all the side quests and everything.

Kady Roberts: 18:33

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

David Geisler: 18:34

I think maybe it's through a side quest?

Kady Roberts: 18:36

It could be. It could be. That's a lot of fun. That's cool. I'm happy to hear that.

Kady Roberts: 18:38

Mhmm. I did you know, she she's in her hood to kinda look like Breath of the Wild Link in the beginning. Then she kinda gets her dress, then she gets like her formal dress. That's what I have. But then with the Amiibo then I also have the cat outfit.

David Geisler: 18:50

Oh, yeah.

Kady Roberts: 18:51

But then with Amiibo, can get a black cat from, like, scanning Ganondorf for something. Mhmm. And then if you scan Link, you get a tunic. Oh, that's cute. And it's the red tunic.

Kady Roberts: 19:00

It's the it's the fire tunic. Cute. And so I have to admit, I I chose red tunic in Link's Awakening when you get to choose blue or red after power dungeon. Yeah. So I have her mostly running around in the red tunic.

Kady Roberts: 19:10

Not because I wanna pretend it's Link, but kind of I kind of like my my emotion is like, yeah, Zelda. You've earned the tunic. Of course. Go get them. You know what mean?

David Geisler: 19:18

Yeah. No. I like them a lot.

Kady Roberts: 19:19

She looks just just like Link from Link's Awakening,

David Geisler: 19:23

of course.

Kady Roberts: 19:23

Yeah. Alright. So then, Blueberry's house is what we have here next. Blueberry. Of course.

David Geisler: 19:33

I thought this was Robbie

Kady Roberts: 19:35

I know.

David Geisler: 19:35

When I first came in. I mean, it's the same music, almost the same music as Purra's.

Kady Roberts: 19:42

Yeah. It's like the the clinks and the tinks and

David Geisler: 19:44

the Yeah.

Kady Roberts: 19:44

The chuck a ching.

David Geisler: 19:45

It's not the exact same as Puros. Because you even have the Kakariko instruments coming in, which kinda makes me wonder if they just reused Puros. I don't know.

Kady Roberts: 19:58

But they made a different character who kinda takes the same role as Ravi, the kind of the inventor.

David Geisler: 20:02

Mhmm. He looks a lot like him. He's the inventor. I do like his relationship with Link. Yeah.

David Geisler: 20:07

That was one thing I loved about this game was how much they put into the characters' relationships with Link. Because you don't get to see that in an normal Zelda game.

Kady Roberts: 20:17

You're absolutely right. Yeah. When when Link is the when when Link is the Zelda, everybody can talk about their relationship with Link. Instead of just like, well, there you are, son. Yeah.

Kady Roberts: 20:26

Go get the gems.

David Geisler: 20:28

Yeah. Because if you go up someone, they're not gonna be like

Kady Roberts: 20:31

I remember that time with you and I.

David Geisler: 20:33

When you taught me this and you're a wonderful person instead it's you know, that's how you get to see how they talk about Link when he's not there.

Kady Roberts: 20:41

That is cool.

David Geisler: 20:41

It's very cool.

Kady Roberts: 20:42

I would I wonder if this is the same as Purrrha, but obviously, we're getting all the little machinery.

David Geisler: 20:48

Because she has the machinery and stuff too.

Kady Roberts: 20:50

They definitely have this piccolo, or is that just a flute up real high?

David Geisler: 20:53

I think it's a flute. They have a lot of these songs have flute throughout it.

Kady Roberts: 20:57

Interesting. Alright. We're gonna move on. Here we go. Try appears.

David Geisler: 21:01

Try. I want a plushie of him. It's so cute and soft.

Kady Roberts: 21:10

Very standard, I have to say this part.

David Geisler: 21:12

He's a little fairy. Mhmm. I do like though that they have the glockenspiel throughout, some of the xylophone, to kinda show like him and Noel are two sides of the same coin in a way. Yeah. One is dark and one is light.

David Geisler: 21:27

So they both have that percussion instrument. It's just in two different forms.

Kady Roberts: 21:33

Yes. And the galaxophile beam galaxophiles are always used for stars and magical things and things like that.

David Geisler: 21:38

Because it's so magical. It's like a little fairy dancing around.

Kady Roberts: 21:41

Absolutely. No fairies at all in this game. Are there? Wait.

David Geisler: 21:45

Well, the great fairy

Kady Roberts: 21:46

Yeah.

David Geisler: 21:46

Yeah. You can

Kady Roberts: 21:46

get fairies in

David Geisler: 21:47

In the bottles, they look really sad.

Kady Roberts: 21:50

Yeah. That's right. They're actually frowning.

David Geisler: 21:51

Yeah.

Kady Roberts: 21:53

Awesome. Fantastic. Try is here. Moving along the still world. Where did you go first?

Kady Roberts: 22:02

Where did you enter the still world first?

David Geisler: 22:04

Oh, man. I entered. Where did I enter first?

Kady Roberts: 22:10

Oh my gosh. This is like

David Geisler: 22:11

Probably the I think it was the Gerudo. Yeah. I went there first.

Kady Roberts: 22:14

I think I went the other way. I did Gerudo second. But this whole no. This is like I don't wanna say triggering, but it's like so much it's this song every time you go in.

David Geisler: 22:24

Mhmm. Yeah. With the reverse notes, everything's kind of backwards. But I like how much space they give. Mhmm.

David Geisler: 22:33

They kind of use silence as an instrument with it, which is kinda cool.

Kady Roberts: 22:38

One of the main one of the composers that came over from Breath of the Wild in Tears, she, in Breath of the Wild, focused only mostly on doing the, like, real minimal music in Breath, and so I wonder if there's some influence here. Probably.

David Geisler: 22:51

Yeah. It's just supposed to be empty.

Kady Roberts: 22:54

There we go. Background notes or reverse notes. Alright. Moving on. The stamp guy.

David Geisler: 23:04

Yeah. I had to put him in for a reason, and you will hear what that reason is.

Kady Roberts: 23:09

Alright. Here we go. Uh-huh.

David Geisler: 23:13

Does this song sound familiar to you at all? It's okay if it doesn't. It is a remixed version of the mini game theme from Link's Awakening.

Kady Roberts: 23:26

Oh, wow. Yeah. After a second, was like, it's the Wii menu music?

David Geisler: 23:36

No. It's it's kooky. He clearly doesn't know what's going on. When I was looking at this song on YouTube, all the comments were like they had to do They're a resident weird guy in Zelda in this game. They couldn't have Tingle.

David Geisler: 23:51

They had to bring this guy in.

Kady Roberts: 23:58

Cool. Cool. Cool. Oh, and here we are, great fairy. So this has got this has to start with bloom bloom bloom.

David Geisler: 24:04

Yeah. It has to be the same in every game.

Kady Roberts: 24:06

Here we go. It's real slow. Not done with a harp.

David Geisler: 24:15

Yeah. This version of the great fairy theme is, at least from what I've played, I think the most simplistic

Kady Roberts: 24:23

Mhmm.

David Geisler: 24:24

And uncomplex. There's no harp. It's just the flute. It's very slow, very clear, easy to understand.

Kady Roberts: 24:33

Yeah. Just some supporting instruments back there. Bobo, it sounds like. Light arpeggio is still in the background, but nothing like the Yeah. Wonder if there's a why?

Kady Roberts: 24:50

Because it's different.

David Geisler: 24:51

It's very different. And maybe it's because the fairies have a different relationship to Zelda.

Kady Roberts: 24:55

That's what I'm thinking.

David Geisler: 24:56

Like, they're having goddess blood.

Kady Roberts: 24:57

Yeah.

David Geisler: 24:58

Because they aren't nearly as intimidating sounding Mhmm. As they are with Link.

Kady Roberts: 25:04

Oh. I'm trying to keep these to a minute, but I could keep listening to that one. Mhmm. Well, because I guess that's the nostalgia, isn't it? Yeah.

Kady Roberts: 25:11

Speaking of nostalgia, we're going to Kakariko Village next.

David Geisler: 25:14

Uh-huh.

Kady Roberts: 25:14

There's a lot of different Kakariko songs. I can't recall. Here we go.

David Geisler: 25:20

There's a reason you can't recall it in this game, and that's because it does not sound like Kakariko at all.

Kady Roberts: 25:31

Interesting.

David Geisler: 25:32

It does not have hardly any of, like, the typical Japanese influence. Mhmm.

Kady Roberts: 25:42

Oh, wow. I mean, first, was like, this is more like ranch music.

David Geisler: 25:47

Yeah.

Kady Roberts: 25:49

Okay. The strings coming in. I really love the strings in these games. I'm remembering this now.

David Geisler: 25:55

Yeah.

Kady Roberts: 25:58

Like, when you are doing the Gerudo area and it's like the strings are like, and they really rip. I mean, is cute, but I've I also my one critique of Kekuriko Village in Echoes of Wisdom is that it didn't really feel like a a Kekuriko Village to me.

David Geisler: 26:10

No. It didn't. It did feel kind of more like a ranch Mhmm. Than anything else. So they did reimagine it with the music as well.

Kady Roberts: 26:17

Kek and I I need to stress, Kekuriko Village is imagined differently all over the board. It's that's a wild West town in Twilight Princess. It's, you know, everything what it is in Breath of the Wild. It's this might be closest to the kind of just simple town that's in A Link to the Past. Oh, there it was.

Kady Roberts: 26:32

We had that we had that melody come back in. That part hit it. Yeah.

David Geisler: 26:38

It is very pretty. It's just from what I have played, it's very different than anything I have ever heard.

Kady Roberts: 26:44

Yeah. Okay. I mean, the cellos are nice. Such good quality. Well, speaking of ranches, here we go.

Kady Roberts: 26:51

Wow. It's like we couldn't have, like, lined this up better. Yep. It's a

David Geisler: 26:56

pona song.

Kady Roberts: 26:57

Yep.

David Geisler: 27:03

Mhmm. Got the ocarina.

Kady Roberts: 27:09

Oh. Oh. Literally the The bongos, oh, is that funny?

David Geisler: 27:21

There's a little western guitar in there, cool

Kady Roberts: 27:23

acoustic. Yeah. Right.

David Geisler: 27:32

Just feels like you're sitting on the farm. Got a little piece of straw in your mouth, just hanging out.

Kady Roberts: 27:50

Fascinating. Let me wait for it to end here. That mean, that's still in the that's still Empona's song's notes there.

David Geisler: 27:58

Yeah.

Kady Roberts: 28:01

There it is. Yeah. They're really letting it space itself out. Mhmm.

David Geisler: 28:10

Mhmm. It's so pretty to listen to though. This is probably the song out of the entire soundtrack. I could probably listen

Kady Roberts: 28:16

to this one on repeat. Like actually Mhmm. Put it in a playlist? Okay. We have to stop.

Kady Roberts: 28:22

Let's move on. One more before going to break. Mhmm. And it's mister Dampe himself.

David Geisler: 28:29

Mhmm.

Kady Roberts: 28:30

The Dampe studio. I don't think I know what this is.

David Geisler: 28:33

Dampe's theme or studio? Is that

Kady Roberts: 28:35

what it You're already you're already grooving out in the studio here. Katie's dancing.

David Geisler: 28:47

I'm a sucker for any heavy percussion music, especially ones that use metal strikes

Kady Roberts: 28:53

as the music. But,

David Geisler: 28:58

if you played Link's Awakening, this is his exact same theme, but with different instrumentation.

Kady Roberts: 29:05

I see.

David Geisler: 29:05

In the original, it's more of like an eight bit, even I think in the remake. Yeah. But they keep the exact same, rhythm and notes and everything, just change the instruments.

Kady Roberts: 29:16

What's his role in Echoes? I'm forgetting.

David Geisler: 29:18

In Echoes

Kady Roberts: 29:20

because he's he's not the dungeon builder thing like in Link's Awakening.

David Geisler: 29:22

Yeah. I think he there's like a little quest you do with him, like one of those, fetch trade quests, if I remember correctly.

Kady Roberts: 29:32

Cool. Oh, Dampy. I I liked that you pointed out a while back that he's kinda becoming another beetle.

David Geisler: 29:40

Beetle type character.

Kady Roberts: 29:41

Yeah. Absolutely. Well, with that, we're gonna go to break. We'll be right back, and we will continue. We've got about another 11 or 12 tracks here to listen to.

Kady Roberts: 29:49

And it looks like some of these are getting into villages and towns and cities and

David Geisler: 29:52

Yeah.

Kady Roberts: 29:52

Some of the dungeons and whatnot. So I will see you on the other side of this break, Katie.

David Geisler: 29:57

Bye bye.

Kady Roberts: 31:19

Alright. We are back. Katie, you doing well?

David Geisler: 31:22

Good.

Kady Roberts: 31:23

I am I'm enjoying this kind of like it's kinda chill. Yeah. This music, I'm realizing as a as a overall theme. A lot of the music has slowed down a little bit and kinda chill, and I feel like that was my experience playing Echoes of Wisdom as well. Mean, I know we're gonna get into a couple exciting things here in a minute, but and again, to your point of like, maybe Zelda sees the world a little differently than Link sees it, you know?

David Geisler: 31:46

Yeah. Especially in this game. I felt the same way when I played it, which I think was why it was so nice playing it when I was sick. Because it was designed in a way where it didn't give me a headache, and nothing was too difficult or frustrating, and it just, the art style was cute, the music was very chill. I was able just to relax and play through it, and not worry about anything.

Kady Roberts: 32:11

Didn't give you a headache. Mean like, games that like, the camera shakes all over

David Geisler: 32:14

Yeah. The place and I My mom has really bad motion sickness.

Kady Roberts: 32:18

Mhmm.

David Geisler: 32:18

And I get it when I play games, or like if I'm reading in the car or anything. Yeah. So not with all games, but especially games with the head shake first person, like Fallout, which is sad because I love Fallout.

Kady Roberts: 32:31

I see.

David Geisler: 32:32

I have to play that in third person now. But even like, I played Persona five, and it would give me a headache, and I don't understand that.

Kady Roberts: 32:41

But,

David Geisler: 32:41

yeah, it randomly happens to me. So this one was nice because it's not a lot of that.

Kady Roberts: 32:48

Something about that kinda looking down into the little shoebox world is is cool. Yeah. Well, with that, let's go to our maybe our oh, not our first village, our second village, we've cause already gone to Kakariko, but it feels like it's the fir I think you go here first, Suthorn Village. I think that's the first village you hit when you come out of the intro. Right?

David Geisler: 33:08

I think so.

Kady Roberts: 33:09

Here we go. The accordion right off the bat. Bring back Cass.

David Geisler: 33:17

Well, funny you say that because I think because of Cass, they associate the accordion with memories now.

Kady Roberts: 33:24

Oh, ho Souththorn

David Geisler: 33:24

is where Link is from.

Kady Roberts: 33:26

Of course. Yes.

David Geisler: 33:28

Which is also why it sounds so sad because Link's gone.

Kady Roberts: 33:35

Wow.

David Geisler: 33:42

The whole thing sounds like a sad goodbye.

Kady Roberts: 33:46

It really does.

David Geisler: 33:53

I loved the lore of Link in this game. Just that he's from this village and he always did good trying to help people, and then he got taken by Knoll one day with a bunch of other kids, came back, and he couldn't talk anymore.

Kady Roberts: 34:07

He's And

David Geisler: 34:09

even with that, he kept helping people, and everyone around him kind of learned to adapt to him in a sort of way, to keep being able to understand him, and still held this great respect for him. And they they just care so much for him.

Kady Roberts: 34:29

Yeah. This is a holy original. Oh. Did you hear that xylophone? Mhmm.

Kady Roberts: 34:35

There's a little touch of xylophone back there. Yeah. Just hinting in in the background, and maybe that's to your Knoll point.

David Geisler: 34:40

Yeah. Because he's with Knoll now.

Kady Roberts: 34:43

Oh. Okay. Closing that out. Gerudo Town. Are we gonna get castanets?

Kady Roberts: 34:51

Are we gonna get claves? What are we gonna get? Mhmm.

David Geisler: 34:58

Not castanets or claves, but it is still very fun listening.

Kady Roberts: 35:03

Yes. The that string.

David Geisler: 35:05

This is the music I remember the most

Kady Roberts: 35:08

for sure. Me too. Think this when I was in whatever the little dungeon was for the for this area, that's when, like, the the the fiddle would just rip and go Yeah.

David Geisler: 35:17

And I was like, woah.

Kady Roberts: 35:18

This is amazing.

David Geisler: 35:19

Did it, because I wasn't including really any of the dungeons because I felt like that might get more into us talking about the different dungeons. Sure. But you're absolutely right. I think it's the ruins. The Gerudo Ruins is what it's called.

David Geisler: 35:32

And they are just ripping it the entire time you're in It's really good. But this is obviously the more chill version when you're just walking around in town. Yeah. It's very Gerudo, but also very different than a lot of the Gerudo themes.

Kady Roberts: 35:50

Yeah. Again, chill. Mhmm. Not like, interesting. Okay.

Kady Roberts: 35:57

Cool. And then the River Zora Village. Here we go. Everything's so dang cute.

David Geisler: 36:09

You're walking down the river.

Kady Roberts: 36:11

See Yes.

David Geisler: 36:12

And the brass comes in, which is very funny because it sounds more like a Goron type theme.

Kady Roberts: 36:19

Yeah.

David Geisler: 36:21

But it's because the River Zora are much more brash. They're a little bit more I for lack of a better term, a little bit more redneck than the other Zora. Yeah. And I respect them for that. I like them a lot.

David Geisler: 36:34

That's what's going on.

Kady Roberts: 36:35

Though this song is has existed. I'm recognizing the theme.

David Geisler: 36:45

That I cannot tell you.

Kady Roberts: 36:47

Yeah. I'm trying.

David Geisler: 36:47

It's so pretty though. So what I like too though is that even though it's with the brass in that it's a little bit more heavy and boorish, it's still graceful. Yeah. Like they are able to exist in a very peaceful way with how they are. And they're like,

Kady Roberts: 37:13

ba ba ba. This this song exists. I I mean, is this a play on the music academy of time? It's it's so close. It's like my brain is itching right now.

David Geisler: 37:30

I will point out there's also eight bit music going on in the back.

Kady Roberts: 37:38

Interesting. Well, next up, we have the Caesar. So let's see if there's any melody similarities or instruments. Here we go. Mhmm.

Kady Roberts: 37:49

Oh, so elegant.

David Geisler: 37:51

Got the

Kady Roberts: 37:52

flute of And the

David Geisler: 37:56

still some of that eight bit in the background.

Kady Roberts: 38:03

Well, mean, this just feels like you're actually in Zora's domain in Ocarina or Twilight.

David Geisler: 38:06

It is the same theme though. It's just it was it's replaced with different instruments.

Kady Roberts: 38:12

As the river?

David Geisler: 38:13

Mhmm.

Kady Roberts: 38:14

Well, that's cool. Yep.

David Geisler: 38:20

Which I do like that they kept it the same theme because it does prove that they are they are the same. Yeah. Are don't think that they

Kady Roberts: 38:27

are. Yeah.

David Geisler: 38:29

Which is why it's so nice when you finally get to pair the two chiefs together to do their little duet together and it sounds so beautiful.

Kady Roberts: 38:47

Significantly Okay. Faster. Next up, Goron City. Mhmm. Where's the brass?

Kady Roberts: 39:01

Yeah.

David Geisler: 39:04

Got the moaning sounds.

Kady Roberts: 39:05

But that boom noise is, like, critical. Boom.

David Geisler: 39:10

It's not as heavy as a lot of Goron tends to be, which adds to the point of everything is a little bit lighter. Mhmm. Things a little bit more play boxy.

Kady Roberts: 39:20

And we do have our brass there, don't we? That noise is like straight out of octreotide.

David Geisler: 39:29

Got a funky little flute going, which is interesting because normally there's not any or at least I can remember, I don't think there's any flute normally in in Goron themes.

Kady Roberts: 39:39

Right? Yeah. It's against the light. I think this is a new melody too. Mhmm.

David Geisler: 39:51

Yeah. They got a fun little sound effect. Kinda like the springing.

Kady Roberts: 39:59

There's something here. I don't know if I'm channeling, like, something from the Oracle games or something with the Gorons.

David Geisler: 40:06

Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised.

Kady Roberts: 40:08

Mhmm. Next up, Scrubton. I don't know what this is. I don't know if I've been there yet. David.

Kady Roberts: 40:17

Let's see. Where is it in the game?

David Geisler: 40:20

It's the Daeku Scrubs Hall.

Kady Roberts: 40:22

Oh, of course I've been there.

David Geisler: 40:23

Scrub Town. Brumson. Daeku Scrubs, Scrub Town.

Kady Roberts: 40:28

Oh, the Daeku are back, baby.

David Geisler: 40:31

And they do not know what's going on. This thing this song, they are not focused nothing but those spider webs. You got the bongos though for, like, the wooden aspects.

Kady Roberts: 40:51

That rhythm's been used before.

David Geisler: 40:53

You got the drums playing on the rims. It makes me miss playing progression.

Kady Roberts: 41:05

Oh, that was cool. Yeah. I enjoyed I enjoyed the Daeku. I adored I guess I didn't realize that was the name of the place. I mean, it's it's so cute.

Kady Roberts: 41:23

Scrubbed him.

David Geisler: 41:23

It's so funny. I really hope in the future, my ideal Zelda game would have all the races in it. We would have obviously the Hylians, you've got the Gorons, the Gerudo, the Rito, and then also the Zora, the river and sea Zora. And then you would also have the Deku Scrubs and the, not Kokiri. Maybe.

David Geisler: 41:48

Koroks.

Kady Roberts: 41:49

The Koroks. Yeah. Sure.

David Geisler: 41:50

That's my dream. And I know you're saying, Katie, you can't have the Rito and the Koroks. Well, Zola timeline isn't real. So I I want them both. I want both of them.

David Geisler: 42:02

The goddess can make both of them if they so choose.

Kady Roberts: 42:04

Absolutely. Here we go to Hebrew Mountain. This is where, most recently I've been trying I've been get going up into. Mhmm. Oh, that's a lot like Twilight Princess.

David Geisler: 42:22

This is another song in this soundtrack that uses silence as an instrument.

Kady Roberts: 42:30

That noise.

David Geisler: 42:32

I like the glockenspiel to make it sound like the wind chimes.

Kady Roberts: 42:38

You have to be careful because glockenspiel can trend like Christmas.

David Geisler: 42:46

At least I think that's a look. I feel like I be wrong, but it does sound like wind chimes.

Kady Roberts: 42:49

Bells or something. Yeah.

David Geisler: 42:52

There are sleigh bells that just played there though.

Kady Roberts: 42:55

Mhmm.

David Geisler: 42:56

It's very ghostly. The wind is blowing through the snowy mountains.

Kady Roberts: 43:00

It's funny we associate the sleigh bells with things like the holidays and Christmas and stuff like that, but of course, you would have you would have to have the bells because when it's really snowy, you could hear that someone was coming or you could hear that they were coming. There's that string.

David Geisler: 43:20

I will say I was bummed when I went to Hebron. I was hoping there would be more there, but the music does kind of lead or lend to the fact that there's not much there.

Kady Roberts: 43:31

Not much going on. Mhmm. Here we go with the Eternal Forest.

David Geisler: 43:48

Reverse echo notes.

Kady Roberts: 43:55

I don't think I've heard this yet in the game. I don't think I'm here yet.

David Geisler: 44:05

It's so cool. It's like the voices are like the lost souls in the forest. Yeah. Yeah. It just feels like you're lost.

David Geisler: 44:31

It's a place like beautiful, but otherworldly.

Kady Roberts: 44:36

I'm listening. I think I'm listening to this for the first time right now.

David Geisler: 44:38

Yeah.

Kady Roberts: 44:46

Cool. Cool. Eternal Forest. Repeat.

David Geisler: 44:50

Maybe I've been

Kady Roberts: 44:50

in there. Maybe I've been in there. Now, here's where it gets a little exciting. I see Link's revival.

David Geisler: 44:55

Mhmm.

Kady Roberts: 44:55

I have not gotten to this point in the game.

David Geisler: 44:57

But this is when Link you get Link back from Noel finally, and you team up.

Kady Roberts: 45:03

Oh, here we go. Oh. He's

David Geisler: 45:13

starting to clear his head.

Kady Roberts: 45:17

Yeah. It's like a real twisted version of the hero's theme.

David Geisler: 45:21

Getting the last bits of gnoll out of him.

Kady Roberts: 45:29

Is this in a cutscene? Or is this a little bit of or just like dialogue, probably?

David Geisler: 45:32

I think think it's a cutscene.

Kady Roberts: 45:34

There we go.

David Geisler: 45:35

And then as he finally comes to himself, the hero theme comes into the Major.

Kady Roberts: 45:39

Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. All the little pieces are coming together. I love this.

Kady Roberts: 45:45

This is cool.

David Geisler: 45:46

It is interesting hearing such a calm theme be associated with link though.

Kady Roberts: 45:51

Yeah. You're hearing like similar patterns but but different notes, similar notes but different patterns. And we gotta hit it. Come on, Link. Yep.

Kady Roberts: 46:05

Yep. Oh, so cool.

David Geisler: 46:09

Yep. Yeah. He's finally to himself. And I think it also adds a little bit though that the full theme isn't necessarily there or correct how we know it because this is technically Zelda's first time meeting Link. She doesn't know who he is.

Kady Roberts: 46:24

Oh, wow.

David Geisler: 46:24

She's heard of him. He came to rescue her.

Kady Roberts: 46:28

She didn't in But the opening, she's in the gem, he tries to save her?

David Geisler: 46:31

Yeah. But this random dude came and pulled her True. Out of the gem and he disappeared.

Kady Roberts: 46:38

Alright. Cool.

David Geisler: 46:38

And now he's been fighting her, but she hears that he's a good guy and now here he is. Who is this guy?

Kady Roberts: 46:46

Well, I let that one play all the way through. I see. I I see. I like it. And now we got final boss here.

David Geisler: 46:51

Mhmm. So there's a lot of themes Mhmm. With the final boss fight, but this is the final of the final bosses.

Kady Roberts: 46:58

Okay. I'm gonna push play. I have no idea. We're looking into each other's eyes right now. Katie has a look in her eye like she knows something.

David Geisler: 47:05

I do know stuff. I know a lot about this fight because I really enjoyed it. So spoilers. The final boss fight. They make you think that Ganon is the big bad.

Kady Roberts: 47:21

Right.

David Geisler: 47:21

Surprised he's not.

Kady Roberts: 47:22

Yeah. Sure.

David Geisler: 47:23

He is like a Gnoll shadow Ganon thing. Oh. Gnoll is the real big bad here. And what is crazy cool about this fight is you team up with Link to take him down. So Link is controlled by a game AI Mhmm.

David Geisler: 47:43

Fighting, and you can kind of give him commands a little bit, and you are just using all your summoning powers as well, and you're teaming up to take this thing down. It is a insanely cool battle because it's like you're watching Link do what you've always done from the outside because he's doing all the same tricks that you can do with him. He is doing the movements and like doing the different puzzles that you would do as him. It's very cool. And it's such a giddy moment.

Kady Roberts: 48:12

Yeah.

David Geisler: 48:14

And then the theme itself, you're going against Knoll who is the secret big bad that you finally get to see. Because you think it's Ganon up until this point for the most part. And he's got this epic theme with all the vocals coming in and the heavy strings where it almost feels like Ganon, but it's a little bit scarier and a little bit more confusing because what is this thing? Yeah. And it all just keeps building.

Kady Roberts: 48:34

It really is. This is cool. I love that idea of like, you're seeing familiar things but from a different point of view.

David Geisler: 48:41

Mhmm.

Kady Roberts: 48:55

What does Noel look like?

David Geisler: 48:57

Oh, man. Noel has a lot of different forms, and Noel takes different forms as well.

Kady Roberts: 49:04

Oh, wow.

David Geisler: 49:05

So, like I said, it's been a long time since I've played this game. It has been for me, because I've played a bajillion games since I've played this.

Kady Roberts: 49:14

Yep.

David Geisler: 49:17

But if I remember correctly, it's like this big, maybe tentacly creature. I I think I remember you have to like grab his arms and pull and then Link maybe slices them

Kady Roberts: 49:27

Okay. For

David Geisler: 49:28

you. I just remember being a little bit bummed. I loved the fight because I got to team up with Link, but because Link is there, you no longer get Link power Oh, turn into So that was a little bit upsetting because I felt like and I a lot of people had the same feelings of Link's over there doing flips and slashing at it, you're like, go moblin' and standing there.

Kady Roberts: 49:50

I see. Interesting.

David Geisler: 49:52

Which is a little bit of a bummer, but it is so cool having that team up there. It would be cool in the future having a game maybe in the Breath of the Wild type style or even in this style where it is truly a two player game. Yeah. And one person gets to play Link and one person gets to play Zelda throughout the game. That would be cool because that's all I was kind of thinking when I was at this final boss fight.

David Geisler: 50:20

Was like, would be so cool if

Kady Roberts: 50:22

It was two.

David Geisler: 50:23

It was actually like two player.

Kady Roberts: 50:24

Of course, there's Triforce Heroes and the and the Four Swords games.

David Geisler: 50:27

But even then, you're all Link.

Kady Roberts: 50:29

Oh, interesting. You all have like the same

David Geisler: 50:32

The same abilities. The same look, everything.

Kady Roberts: 50:36

Now that's interesting. Yeah. Closest we have right now is two player Calamity. Calamities. Yeah.

Kady Roberts: 50:46

Yeah. It's interesting that because Ganon will get Coral a lot as well, but everything, again, is still lighter and higher.

David Geisler: 50:52

It's yeah. It's much more string heavy than reverse note heavy.

Kady Roberts: 50:56

Mhmm. And even the singing is like, and

David Geisler: 51:00

not Yeah.

Kady Roberts: 51:03

I'm sure this is so cool.

David Geisler: 51:08

But still you have those kind of like Chinese xylophone and all that in the back, kind of creeping in the darkness because Knoll is literally nothing. He is the absence of things, and that's where Tri and all of the Tri Force, I guess, Tri Powers, where they come in because they are everything. So it is the battle between nothing and everything, dark and light, as they almost kind of become one. Because you can't have one without the other, but they finally kind of balance each other out, I would say, which is very cool, instead of one taking over.

Kady Roberts: 51:50

Dan from fan fiction, used to talk about the third the fourth triangle that that no one ever talks about, and it's the inside out backwards one, the dark one inside the triforce. And they ended up kind of pinging off that, I think, a little bit in in A Link Between Worlds, but I could be wrong about that too. I think there's just like an inverted dark triforce. Mhmm. But anyways, yeah, the balance of of everything and nothing and all the rest.

Kady Roberts: 52:15

Super cool. Well, now I'm kinda getting excited. I gotta get back into this game. Yeah. And also, we just had an experience where you've you've you know more about a certain you've played a certain part of a Zelda game than I love it yet.

Kady Roberts: 52:26

We just crossed Yeah. The It was great.

David Geisler: 52:29

Oh, yeah. Great game.

Kady Roberts: 52:30

And in that, they were equal. No. Just joking. They were equal except you've

David Geisler: 52:35

played like 27 games. I think I've played maybe 10. Well Still good though.

Kady Roberts: 52:40

No. It's an absolute blast going back into all these games and seeing it with fresh eyes and seeing it with nostalgia and all the rest. Very, very cool. Yeah. The I think now that we know a little bit more about the breadth of composers that were involved, I think you can see where Yeah.

Kady Roberts: 52:54

All that's coming Yeah. That was fantastic. The I guess the last thing is, yeah, we've we've everything feels a little lighter, but like also there was epicness happening. Big I guess it's the last battle, which is what we're just You know what I mean?

David Geisler: 53:13

But yeah, There are some more epic themes through it, but it's typically saved for just like the final boss fight. In the dungeon, and even then when I was listening through some of them, because I was trying to figure out which songs to pull for this, all of them are epic. Yeah. There's even some boss fights in the dungeons that are kind of like, okay, like, we're just chilling with a buddy and taking out a fish, you know, like, but for sure though, the Gerudo one was really epic. Yeah.

David Geisler: 53:47

For sure.

Kady Roberts: 53:48

Cool. Super cool. Mhmm. Well, alright. Well, thanks for putting all those together, Katie.

David Geisler: 53:52

Yeah. Absolutely. I love doing a music episode.

Kady Roberts: 53:55

I know. Now that I know that you love them and now that you help with the editing too, I think we'll be able do even more. We can be able do, like, multiple parts. Like, we could even return to Echoes of Wisdom and do the boss fights, but I wanna do other games first and other things. Fantastic.

Kady Roberts: 54:07

Okay. Well, think we'll get going. Yeah. If people can or care to find you on the Internet, where and how can they do that?

David Geisler: 54:13

You can find me over on Instagram at the letters k d stargazer.

Kady Roberts: 54:18

K d stargazer. I am raptor paint on all the things, and you can go to our show, another Zelda pod on just about all the things, or go to our website anotherzeldapodcast.com, which has links to more of the things like our Patreon account and some of our merch and things like that.

David Geisler: 54:33

And also also, if you're a fan of our show, six five has a lot of other cool shows. Mhmm. David does quite a few of them. There's also one from our pals over on another Pokemon podcast.

Kady Roberts: 54:43

Yeah.

David Geisler: 54:43

So if you're into that kind of stuff, go check them all out.

Kady Roberts: 54:45

They're doing well. So sorry. I got so excited about Pokemon fan. Yeah. They're another Pokemon podcast.

Kady Roberts: 54:53

Very, very proud of what Galli, Tratt, and Bex are doing over there. They are absolutely they deserve the the title of another in that another Pokemon podcast. They're I don't know how much I wanna say, but from an analytics point of view, they are just skyrocketing, and I'm so so proud of them. It's really, really cool. Yeah.

Kady Roberts: 55:14

And and there's that. Yeah. Yeah. We got some other shows too, but you can go to 65.media to check out all of our other shows as well, which is which is the website, 65.media. Super simple.

David Geisler: 55:24

Perfect.

Kady Roberts: 55:24

Alright, Katie. Well, I'll see you in the next episode, couple weeks. We have a quiz episode coming up soon. We gotta get on that. We gotta build it get out.

David Geisler: 55:31

Am I still able to make the quiz?

Kady Roberts: 55:33

Yeah. Yes, please. I think we gotta I think we have to have a little meeting because it's I think it's like two or three episodes away, we really gotta get started. Yeah. And get it out

David Geisler: 55:39

to I was literally just thinking about it, like

Kady Roberts: 55:42

Oh, yeah.

David Geisler: 55:42

Literally five seconds before you said that.

Kady Roberts: 55:44

Well, I'm gonna get it out to another Pokemon Bax and Galli chat. They're gonna be guests. They're gonna be one of the people. I think I'm gonna try some of the other podcasts.

David Geisler: 55:51

We got the okay to send it to some of our friends over at Zelda Dungeon.

Kady Roberts: 55:55

Really? Good. Yeah. Oh, you spoke to them about it

David Geisler: 55:57

the marathon? Yep.

Kady Roberts: 55:58

Oh, and Andy. Okay. Zelda cast. They're gonna be they're gonna be in the quiz, hopefully. Love it.

Kady Roberts: 56:03

This gonna be

David Geisler: 56:03

lot of fun. I would love to have them.

Kady Roberts: 56:05

Yeah. Excellent. Well, until then, have a great time. Thanks for pushing through. My stomach is churning.

Kady Roberts: 56:11

I'm ready to have dinner. I'm ready to call it a night and I know you've had a very long day as well.

David Geisler: 56:15

I'm ready to go honk shoe.

Kady Roberts: 56:17

Honk shoe?

David Geisler: 56:18

Yeah. Like, when you're sleeping, you go honk shoe.

Kady Roberts: 56:21

Honk shoe?

David Geisler: 56:22

Yeah. You you don't you don't you're not honk shoeing sometimes?

Kady Roberts: 56:27

Is that like a snore?

David Geisler: 56:30

Like when they go, oh, shoot.

Kady Roberts: 56:31

Oh, shoot. Oh, gosh.

David Geisler: 56:33

I'm Alright.

Kady Roberts: 56:34

Cool. Cool. Yeah. Yeah. Sounds good.

Kady Roberts: 56:36

Sounds good. I'll see you later, Katie.

David Geisler: 56:38

Bye.