Maternal Health Innovation

AIM CCI is encouraging communities to come together using their Maternal Monologues Toolkit, whereby birthing people and their support systems can share their experiences related to the maternal health journey, illuminate what the national maternal health crisis looks like in their own community, and strategize about what they can do to address it. In this episode, Race for Equity's Deitre Epps is joined by Dr. Valerie Newsome Garcia to discuss how to use this toolkit and the importance of community storytelling in understanding and advocating for change in maternal health.

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AIM CCI is encouraging communities to come together using their Maternal Monologues Toolkit, whereby birthing people and their support systems can share their experiences related to the maternal health journey, illuminate what the national maternal health crisis looks like in their own community, and strategize about what they can do to address it. In this episode, Race for Equity's Deitre Epps is joined by Dr. Valerie Newsome Garcia to discuss how to use this toolkit and the importance of community storytelling in understanding and advocating for change in maternal health.

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What is Maternal Health Innovation?

We are the Maternal Health Learning and Innovation Center, a network of maternal health equity experts and organizations working to make real change for women and birthing people in the U.S.

Our podcast is a series of episodes connecting around culture, lifting voices and stories, exploring innovations in maternal care and discussing ways we can center equity in the way we approach our health and wellness.

Learn more about us, explore our resource center and find support for all maternal health professionals at MaternalHealthLearning.org.

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KRISTEN: Welcome to this special bonus episode

of the Maternal Health Innovation podcast. I'm

your host, Kristen Tully, research faculty at

the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill,

in the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology,

and with the UNC Collaborative for Maternal and

Infant Health. This pod is created by the Maternal

Health, Learning and Innovation Center, and these

conversations address maternal health equity and

systems change for strengthening maternal health.

In this episode, we'll be discussing Merck for

Mothers and their commitment to shifting the landscape to eliminate maternal mortality globally. I'm joined by Jackie

Caglia, director of Learning, Communications and

US programs at Merck for Mothers to learn more

about how they've been working to improve maternal

health outcomes through grant making and strategic collaborations. Thank you for joining me, Jackie.

JACQUE: Thanks so much for having me on the show,

Kristen. And really, congratulations to you and

the team on all of the engaging and thought provoking

episodes that you've had to date.

KRISTEN: It's really wonderful to get to know people behind changing the world.

So thank you for making time for this. And would

you please share a little bit about yourself and

Merck for Mothers?

JACQUE: Sure. Happy to. So my name is Jackie Caglia

and I am a director at Merck. I'm part of the

team within our company's Office of Social Business

Innovation that is leading our company's global

maternal health initiative called Merck for Mothers.

I myself am a proud public health practitioner,

and throughout my career, I've really been working

at the intersection of community and impact and

evaluation in some form always centered on improving

maternal and newborn health. And personally, I've

had the pleasure of working for a number of great

nonprofit organizations both here in the US and focused globally as well as a number of

academic institutions, before coming to the private

sector in early 2019 for my current role. And

more importantly, Kristen, I'm a wife, I'm a sister,

I'm a bonus mama to three awesome kids, I'm a

daughter, I'm not a friend. And really, all of

that is why I do this work for pregnant people

and those who care for them, because I believe

in stronger health systems and I really believe

that society as a whole is stronger when people

are healthy and supported around pregnancy and

childbirth in the months after.

KRISTEN: Thank you. I think a lot about what it

means to have humanity in health care.

JACQUE: We could use a lot more of that.

KRISTEN: Yeah, well, thank you. And a few of the

things that you mentioned were community and impact.

I wonder if you would share a little bit more

about what that means to you.

JACQUE: So, really, throughout my career and as

one of our core values within Merck for Mothers,

we're really focused on centering the communities

most impacted by the health challenge that we're

trying to address. And so what that means is taking

my knowledge and my training and allowing it to

take a backseat to the expertise that exists within

the community, within the people with lived experience

and focusing myself and my energy, really on deep

listening to those experts around what is needed in order to accomplish changes. And there's lots of different approaches for

doing that. I've worn a researcher hat in a previous

life where I was focused on community based participatory

research as a methodology and really working with

community members, community leaders, as the folks

who were co creating and then conducting the research

and evaluation of the community health programs

that we were running. And what that means in my

current role means centering our grant making

and our strategic collaborations following that

deep listening among the people most impacted

on supporting the folks at the center in the community

in order to address the issues.

KRISTEN: Thank you. I think that's why we've been

in some same spaces, I hope increasingly so, because

we share those values and I think that that is

the way for safe, quality, respectful care, which

is I see what Merck is about globally.

JACQUE: Yeah, that's right. Merck for Mothers

is our company's global initiative to help end

preventable maternal deaths. And it was launched as an initiative in 2011 when our company was

looking for a global health challenge that was

sort of behind where it should be, where our company

would be able to lend resources along with scientific

and technical expertise in order to help that

global health challenge sort of get unstuck, if

you will. And so our company, through Mark from others, has been supporting efforts to

improve maternal health for over a decade now.

And we've been focusing those efforts in order

to improve maternal health outcomes by really,

at its core, trying to improve access to safe,

high quality, respectful care around pregnancy

and childbirth. And what that means looks different in different contexts based on what folks think that

they need around that time.

KRISTEN: Thank you. And I was browsing the Merck

for Mother site and we'll link to that and I saw

your 2022 research. Compendium where you outline key findings and I think that

is another part of access, isn't it, is to share

learning and to present that in clear and actionable

ways.

JACQUE: Yeah. Thanks for that, Kristen. And thanks

for going to our website and thanks for calling

out that report. In particular, that Evidence

for Impact report is something that we've been

publishing every two years for the last number

of years and it really is our attempt to try to

collate the learnings and the insights what is

most. Important around some of the work that we

are supporting and present it in a way where it

is highly digestible, highly actionable, sort

of ready to use because we believe and we work

with our grantees and collaborators to contribute

to the evidence base around maternal health. And

that can sometimes look like publications that are behind paywalls or even if they are open

access, they are lengthy and technical and sort

of hard to digest. And so one of the public goods

that we create coming out of our initiative is really a curation and the synthesis of that information so that folks

have it in a way where it's easily digestible,

kind of ready to act.

KRISTEN: Yeah, that's a really good model. And

I saw that one of your United States investments

was in black mama's matter alliance. I wondered

if you'd tell us a bit about that and other current

US initiatives.

JACQUE: Well, we've been longtime supporters of

the Black Mamas Matter Alliance. We have been

a supporter of Black Maternal Health Week, as

well as a supporter of their technical conference,

I think, since it began, although that team will

keep me honest to make sure that that is accurate. And the leaders at Black Mama's Matter Alliance have also been the

lead grantee on our Safer Childbirth Cities work

happening in the Atlanta area where their organization

is based. So we have been working to collaborate

and support their work, both at a national level,

at a regional level, and then at a very specific

city place based level around their connections

in Atlanta.

KRISTEN: Thank you. And could you tell us a bit

more about the Safer Childbirth Cities Initiative

and that involves community based organizations?

JACQUE: Sure, I'd be happy to. And the Safer Childbirth Cities Initiative as a whole was launched just

before I joined the Merck for Mothers team. And

so, back in the end of 2018, our company issued

an open call for proposals that went out across

the country specifically looking for solutions

that were sort of almost hyper local, based at

the city level, working to understand local data,

what was happening locally related to racial and

ethnic disparities, specifically in maternal health

outcomes, and then offered a very exciting and

generous amount of $1 million per project. Over

the course of three years, some have stretched

to four, with delays and changes that we experienced

as a society coming out of the pandemic. The grants

that we have supported through the Safer Childbirth

Cities Initiative have really focused on the coalition

based model of bringing together all of the folks

at a local geographic level who are interacting

with people who are pregnant. Or after delivery

and working to have those folks come together

and really create an action plan and understand

what's happening locally, understand how they

may be able to work together even better to better

serve the needs of the people that they were trying

to reach. We've been really fortunate, Kristen,

that we've been able to do two rounds of grant

making so far through the Safer Childbirth Cities

Initiative. So we're supporting efforts that are

happening in 20 cities across the US. All of those

cities with high maternal mortality ratios, all

of those cities with some documented challenges

around racial and ethnic disparities in maternal

health outcomes and all of those cities with political

will, energy and enthusiasm to address those issues.

And so, because it's a hyper local initiative

that's focused at the city level, what's happening

in different geographies all looks a little bit

different. So, for example, we're supporting work

in Washington, DC. That is very focused at the

nexus of understanding addressing gaps in maternal

health care, as well as addressing gaps that those same people are experiencing related to housing support or being

able to be in safe, happy, healthy housing. We

have an initiative that we're supporting here

in Philadelphia where the focus is really around

community action connected to that nexus between cardiac health and maternal health based on

some of the challenges we see here in the Philadelphia

area where I live.

KRISTEN: Thank you. And how's that been going

with community led work?

JACQUE: The community led work is going incredibly

well. We have been so excited by the response,

some of it planned, some of it unintended, some of it hoped for, that the community driven work has created.

We're seeing real changes where folks are no longer

having to ask for a seat at the table in these

important conversations that are happening locally

at a city or even at a state level. We're seeing

shifts in how all of that work is done. We're

seeing the community leaders being asked, can

they convene the meeting and who should be at

the table? And what are other ways that we can

make sure that this work is informed by the community

that we're trying to support? How else can we

share this information back into the community? So I'm excited about all of those changes

that we're seeing because I think some of these

shifts are tied to what I hope will be sustainable

changes in the way we do this work. So it's really

important to us, especially as a funder in this

space, to think strategically about how our funding

can be catalytic for longer term changes, because

we never want to be the kind of funder where we're dropping in and supporting a grant

based initiative and then moving away. We're always

trying to think about how our support can be.

I like to think of it as our support being the

first catalytic knocking down of a domino in a

series of events that we hope will happen following

that. So I'm excited about the shifts that we're

starting to see around an openness and a true

engagement around community led work.

KRISTEN: That's fantastic. And it must be so exciting

to be able to actively support that paradigm shift,

which is radical, unfortunately, and so wonderful

leadership.

JACQUE: It's our hope. It's our hope.

KRISTEN: And so another success story is the Hear

Her campaign. Would you share about that?

JACQUE: Oh, sure, Kristen. The CDC's Hear Her campaign is an initiative that we're incredibly proud to be

a supporter of. And our engagement with the Hear

Her campaign, which is focused on the recognition

of maternal warning signs around pregnancy and childbirth, goes back many, many years, related

to our approach in the US. And so I'll tell you

a story. So, a number of years ago, and as I shared

our approach to grant making and sort of crafting, our strategy is very steeped in listening and

very steeped in consulting with subject matter

experts and leaders across the country. So many

years ago, back around 2012 2013, one of the first

issues that was surfaced where support from Merck

for Mothers would be able to make a distinctive

difference was around understanding challenges

related to information that people who are pregnant

receive right after delivery before they're discharged

from a hospital. And so we entered into a strategic

collaboration with Awan, the association of Women's

Health Obstetric and Neonatal Nurses, where they

started with some formative research to understand

in a couple of states across the US. What does

discharge education look like. And through that

research, they learned that in some places it

looked like one page of information, in other

places it looked like 45 pages of information

that were given to people who had just delivered

and were getting ready to head home with new baby

for the first time. They also were able to identify

differences among knowledge and skills across

nurse educators who were delivering that discharge

education encounter following delivery. And so

what that then led them to do was create the postbirth Warning Signs education course, which was

well researched, evidence based, tested, improved. It's now happening across 17 states across

the US. Which is so exciting. So regardless of

where someone delivers the information that they

receive in that discharge encounter, the piece

of paper that they walk away with, the conversation

that they have with the nurse educator should

be the same, which is all part of our approach

around standardizing quality of care, around pregnancy

and childbirth. We're really proud of that initiative.

But we also learned over time that initiatives like that also need ecosystem support, meaning they need sort of

support that's happening out in the general public

or out in other types of healthcare providers

who are interacting with people who are pregnant.

So back in 2019, when I joined the Merck for Mothers

initiative, I was given a challenge by our leader, Dr. Marianne Etsybet, to craft a health communications campaign

at a national level in the US. That would focus

on the recognition of those warning signs that

something could potentially be going wrong in the postnatal period. I quickly learned in conversations with

our lawyers that if the campaign were coming from

us, it would be limited in what we would be able

to say. Our organization, we are not healthcare

providers, we're not sending out technical information.

So we do all of our work through grant making

and strategic collaborations. And so I, through

a number of conversations, was able to land on

a solution that we were excited about through

funding that we channeled to the CDC Foundation

in order to support folks from the CDC and the division. Of reproductive health for

the creation of a national communications campaign

related to the recognition of those critical warning

signs that has become the Hear Her campaign. And

what makes me really excited about that campaign,

there's a number of things, but in particular

it created messages for people who are pregnant

or recently delivered for anyone in that person's

support system. So not only should the person

who just recently delivered be able to recognize

these warning signs, but everyone who is around

them and caring for them in that period of time

should be able to also make those connections.

And then the third piece of the campaign that

we're really proud of is the focus on healthcare providers. But not just the healthcare

providers who care for people who are pregnant or postpartum in OBGYN visits for any healthcare provider who

may interact with a person who is pregnant or

recently delivered. So that could be someone in

a pediatric practice, that could be someone who's

working in an emergency department. It could even

be really anyone in the healthcare system who

knows to ask the critical question if someone

was recently pregnant, if they are showing a number.

KRISTEN: Of different signs and symptoms, that's fantastic. Especially, I

mean, I think a lot about autonomy and how to

actively promote that and doing that with a village,

whoever your supports are and whoever is in contact

with you. And that has a lot of implications for

offering materials like that. And as you said, for equipping people to educate the family. That means looking at

them and structuring within the inpatient encounters

for comprehension and for information and for

clarity. So thank you for that.

JACQUE: Yeah, and really thanks to the team at

the CDC. I mean, the materials have all been designed

and collaborators who have been supporting the

campaign across the country. The materials have

really focused not only on language translation,

but also on health literacy and how to get the

concepts across in a way where people will understand,

receive the information and make it their own. Which also leads me to another really important part

of that campaign, which is the cultural adaptation of the campaign and people really being able to see

themselves in the images associated with the campaign,

in the materials, in the language that has been

used in the campaign. So we're really proud of

that as well.

KRISTEN: It's been really fun being a part of

the fourth trimester project at UNC and we have

an active collaboration with the Hear Her campaign to disseminate across rural parts of North Carolina. In addition

to we have a website, newmomhealth.com, and then

it has here her, but we have billboards and radio

ads so that it's clear. It's sort of unfortunate

that the space that we're at is talking about believing women and to spread responsibility for safety and well being across.

But clearly it's foundational.

JACQUE: Absolutely. And thank you for the partnership.

And because of collaborations like that, because

of the digital billboards that have been created

because of the signage and the radio announcements

that are getting out into all sorts of communities

across the US. We know that the messages from

that campaign have reached almost 100 million

folks across the country. And there's been almost

2 million visitors to the campaign website, specifically

clicking on additional information on the website,

downloading materials, downloading things that

they can print off and discuss with their family.

So it's very exciting to see the impact of all

of that, especially, I.

KRISTEN: Would think, with the shift to recognition

of the importance of postpartum and that's a clear

part of the continuum of reproductive life, but

especially when we think about maternal mortality.

JACQUE: Absolutely.

KRISTEN: And so making sure that we continue to

see and love and actively support birthing people

as they heal and recover and take care of themselves.

JACQUE: Absolutely. And we know, not only from

looking at national trend data that shows us that

many of the complications and even some of the

unfortunate deaths happening across the US. Are

taking place in that period, which has really

helped us, I think, bring more attention to the

need to, I think, really redefine and reimagine

what postnatal care looks like in the US. And

there's been a lot of heart behind and a lot of

movement around extending particularly Medicaid

coverage and other types of care coverage for

people who are pregnant up through that twelve

month mark after labor and delivery, so that people

have access to more care during that time. But

I'm excited to see, Kristen, what's going to happen

in the coming years around working collectively across the country to help define what good looks like for care

during that time. It's great that we have the

coverage. It's great that we have the attention.

Now, what do people actually need from their health

care providers, from other support systems around

them during that period of time, so that we can

really almost, I think, shift social norms across

the US. Around how we care for people who are

pregnant in that critical time?

KRISTEN: Jumping out of my chair and I just want

a really helpful framework for us, has been learning

from Dr. Monica McLemore about a framework for

health equity to retrofit reform and reimagine.

And so when I hear the reimagine and we have to

have a vision to make it so. And then there are

lots of ways to operationalize it and words that

work. There are so many pockets of goodness and

competence and appropriate structure, and that's

what we want to do is shine a light on those and

grow and build on the strengths that are there

but too little, too late for so many and disproportionately.

JACQUE: So I totally agree and I think that taking

what I would define as an assets based or a strengths

based approach to that really important redesign and reimagination work is what is

most urgently needed because I think you're right,

we do have, to use your words, pockets of goodness.

We have examples where things are working well,

where people feel supported and cared for, where

health providers feel supported and cared for,

where sort of the system is working in a way that

is more supportive to all and particularly more

supportive to the people who are most impacted.

And I'm really grateful for the opportunity to

support some of that work. Back to the Safer Childbirth

Cities initiative that we were speaking about

earlier. There's examples coming out of work that

we're supporting in Camden, New Jersey, around

getting people access to prenatal care sooner

once they have a pregnancy diagnosis in a supportive

way that is connecting them to care that is welcoming

and open and ready to receive them. We have examples

coming out of Norfolk, Virginia, or Baltimore,

Maryland around fully integrating in a supportive

way not only health screenings around pregnancy

and childbirth, but really important screening

tools around other social needs. That a person

who is pregnant. And the family that they're caring for may also be experiencing so that they can have those

needs met all at the same time, all during the

same encounter in a way that feels supportive

and in a way that feels welcoming, which is so

important.

KRISTEN: Yeah, that's exciting, especially with

addressing social needs because we are all whole

people. And it's interesting because I was in

a space and the phrasing was that in cases of STH positive, like as if it were

a disease, to be a real human in the world and

to have complexity in our lives. And so I think

that strength based programs, research and also

recognizing that in people and building on what

is working well and I think we have been asking

that you can structure that in. And then if our

goal and I think that that's why it's great that

we sort of opened around the goal of safe, quality,

respectful care. If our goal is to connect people

with resources, then we can make sure to lead

with that. I think we can critically assess the

role of screening in that story so that we can

be transparent with what's available and really try to get to that normalization and connecting people. So

I will be looking to lessons learned in your accessible

formats for that pioneering work. Because like

you, I'm so excited about shifting the norm in

the standard, having structures for accountability

around that see what.

JACQUE: We can accomplish.

KRISTEN: Especially when you're mentioning these

examples of coming out in very diverse settings.

Is there organizing framework for health equity

that Merck thinks about?

JACQUE: Yeah, thanks for that question. Our Maternal

Health Initiative through Mark for Mothers sits

within a wider office of social business innovation

at the company. And one of our main charges is

really around advancing health equity. And actually

one of our company's twelve public goals around

ESG and corporate responsibility is around reducing

unmet medical needs for underserved populations.

As part of our overall goal to advance health

equity. So we are very proud to have our initiatives sit within that frame of advancing

health equity. And it really goes back to, from

my perspective, what we were talking about earlier

around having your work and your strategy be driven

by the needs, hopes and desires of the people

most impacted by the challenge. And so what that

looks like for us across Merck, for mothers. In addition to the deep listening that I mentioned earlier,

it also shows up as working to create more sustainable

systems of accountability for that important feedback

from people who are pregnant, from people who

are being served by systems in order to get that

important feedback to those who are making decisions

about what moves forward, what is reinforced.

And so we're really proud to support work that's

happening at that level across the US. But also

in our global work as well. We're a proud supporter

of the global White Ribbon Alliance and their

global campaign around it initially started as

What Women Want. They've branched off and had

other campaigns that we've also supported around

what do midwives want from the health care system.

They're getting ready to launch broader campaigns

as well about what do folks want and need around

pregnancy and childbirth, around care. And the

number one demand that has surfaced from all of

those campaigns is really around dignity and respect.

Going back to something that you mentioned, Kristen,

around the humanity that exists within all of

us and having a health care system that recognizes that humanity and celebrates it and celebrates the

connection that we have between people in order

to create healthier, more respectful encounters

that also address health needs. So I'm really

excited to be able to continue to support that

work. And in fact, again, thinking about our work

globally, we just were able to support the launch

of a respectful maternity care training module

that is now scaling up digitally across the country,

that is focused on helping health providers recognize

sort of those key ingredients around, layering in respect and dignity into their

encounters and all of their interactions.

KRISTEN: Wow. It's human rights in regards to reproduction and that's

been so excited to use the framework of reproductive

justice, which is the merging of those because

that's what we're talking about is dignity, autonomy,

the ability to navigate and be informed. And so

when that is at the foreground, then everything else flows from that.

JACQUE: I agree. I think we're also frankly, I

also think in some ways we're talking about the

propagation of our species and the continuation

of life and sort of how we as a species sorry, as a scientist at heart, I go back to

my biology, but as a species, how we care for

each other and how we care for each other at those

critical moments in time where we are adding to

our numbers and adding sort of the next generation

into our families, into our communities. I think

the importance of that is really interrogating,

the question of not what just helps us to survive,

welcoming those new members of our species, welcoming

new members of our families and our communities. But what helps elevate everyone's health and well being in those

encounters and really gets us to a place where

we have healthier communities and healthier.

KRISTEN: Society survive and thrive.

JACQUE: Yeah. And beyond that, flourish.

KRISTEN: Right.

JACQUE: Let's get to that place.

KRISTEN: Dr. Alison Stubby and I recently wrote about systems of care needing

to be non harmful, accommodating. And then our goal is to be uplifting other people as a protagonist in their

own stories and to celebrate that. And it's such

an immense opportunity to do that.

JACQUE: Thank you. Thank you for that work and

thank you for framing it in that way, because

I think that really is the opportunity that we

have here, or at least that's the system that

I want to leave behind for my family and for those

behind me.

KRISTEN: And so, to wrap up, do you have and I

mean, I think you just answered it, but you have reflections on what innovation in maternal health

means to you and merck for mothers.

JACQUE: I do. And I have the benefit of some years

and some gray hairs under my belt now in thinking

about being part of the maternal health community

here in the US and globally for a couple of decades

now. And I think that the real innovation, to

my mind, Kristen, comes from shifting how we do

the work. I think we'll always need additional

evidence around what works and why and what facilitated it and what were the barriers

to that. But the issue that we are solving for

is a long standing one and the challenges that

need to be addressed in a lot of ways we have

those answers around what do people need to have

care that is clinically sound as well as care

that is safe and respectful and uplifting, to

use your word, around pregnancy and childbirth.

And where I think the true innovation is needed,

at least here in the US. Is around how we deliver

that every single visit for every single person,

every single time. And so to me, the call for

innovation is around how we get that work done

and how we do that in a way that is supportive

and inclusive and engaged and continues to be

informed by the people who are most impacted by the folks who are underserved

or maybe disconnected from those systems.

KRISTEN: The will to change and then the structure

to make it so and to equip people. And I think

it's not like do better. Right. We need to, as

you identify, model what quality looks like and

practice that and be assessed for that. Totally

great resources directed to strengthening it.

Right. Accountability, I think, is not a punitive

thing. Right. For continual action, a cycle to respectful care as carming. Colleagues.

JACQUE: Yeah, absolutely. And I think that would

be really exciting to see across the US.

KRISTEN: Right.

JACQUE: Accountability that is not powered by

punitive actions, but is powered by celebrating

what the good looks like in the places where things

are going well in honesty.

KRISTEN: Yeah.

JACQUE: And using that to sort of create a snowball

of more and more of that.

KRISTEN: Thank you. Are there other things from

Merck? And I know there are many other programs

in maternal mortality review committees, Mama's

Voices, which you talked about, and so we're not

going to walk through them all, but are there

any other things you'd like to highlight right

now?

JACQUE: We're so fortunate to have collaborations and grants now with more than

200 different organizations around the globe, and it's such a privilege and

an honor to be able to support their work and

help uplift the solutions that they are advancing.

I would just encourage folks to, if you're interested

in learning more, to visit our Initiatives website@merckformothers.com

in the US and Canada. Outside of the US and Canada,

our company is known as MSD, and so our initiative is called MSD for mothers in those locations. So

if you have any listeners outside of the US and

Canada, they should go to Msdformothers.com.

KRISTEN: Thank you very much.

JACQUE: Thank you. Thank you for having me, and

really thank you for all the work that you lead.

It's great to be in conversation with you and

as you said, hopefully the first of many more

conversations we can have together.

KRISTEN: Thank you, Jackie, for taking the time

to join us today to share your experiences. And

thank you all for listening. For more podcasts,

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SPEAKER C: This project is supported by the Health Resources and Service Administration, HRSA of the US. Department of Health

and Human Services HHS under grant number U7 CMC

33636, state Maternal Health Innovation, Support

and Implementation Program cooperative Agreement.

This information or content and conclusions are

those of the author and should not be construed as the official position or policy,

nor should any endorsements be inferred by HRSA,

HHS, or the US.

JACQUE: Government.