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Seth Holehouse is a TV personality, YouTuber, podcaster, and patriot who became a household name in 2020 after his video exposing election fraud was tweeted, shared, uploaded, and pinned by President Donald Trump — reaching hundreds of millions worldwide.
Titled The Plot to Steal America, the video was created with a mission to warn Americans about the communist threat to our nation—a mission that’s been at the forefront of Seth’s life for nearly two decades.
After 10 years behind the scenes at The Epoch Times, launching his own show was the logical next step. Since its debut, Seth’s show “Man in America” has garnered 1M+ viewers on a monthly basis as his commitment to bring hope to patriots and to fight communism and socialism grows daily. His guests have included Peter Navarro, Kash Patel, Senator Wendy Rogers, General Michael Flynn, and General Robert Spalding.
He is also a regular speaker at the “ReAwaken America Tour” alongside Eric Trump, Mike Lindell, Gen. Flynn.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Hullhouse. As we look at what's happening in our country, especially heading into this election, one of the questions that I oftentimes come to and I base a lot of my research on, a lot of the guests on is who's really controlling things? We look at Kamala. We look at Trump, and we look at this system that we're living in that's been engineered in many ways.
Seth Holehouse:And the question is, okay. Who's really controlling this? We hear these ideas and concepts about the shadow government, the deep state, etcetera. And so joining me today is my good friend Kent Heckenlively, who's a prolific author, that just released a book detailing, specifically, he coauthored with a former, CIA officer, the the depth of the CIA's influence on America, whether it's through the drug running, whether it's through operation Mockingbird in control of the media, or just the international power they have to do regime changes and all kinds of things. And so this is gonna be a little bit of a deep dive into the CIA, the history of the CIA, what they're currently doing now, why the CIA hates Trump, why the intelligence agencies hate Trump, and more.
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Seth Holehouse:Mister Kent Heckenlively, it is great to have you back on the show. Thank you for joining us today.
Speaker 2:Thanks for having me, Seth.
Seth Holehouse:So you are a prolific author, to say one thing, but I I find that, you know, whenever I look through your books or see your new books, I find it to be very, very fascinating, because you seem to be diving into the topics that I find most interesting, which I would describe as the the bigger, the deeper, the far reaching, where a lot of folks are focused on, I I guess you could say, perhaps more of the surface phenomena or really focus on what's happening in DC. You're going into the heart of things, and, I appreciate that because that's that's where I I wish I could live is in in intellectually is just looking at history and in the the alphabet agencies and going deep into what is the deep state? Who is the deep state? Why is our world like it is today? What are they hiding from us?
Seth Holehouse:And so it's always great to to hear your perspective on things. And so you've got a new book that I first, I saw that you you'd put on Twitter, and I commented and said, oh my goodness. Like, this looks great. Yeah. There you go.
Seth Holehouse:So a twilight of the shadow government, how transparency will kill the deep state. In fact, if I have your permission, I think I'll call our show today twilight of the shadow government because it's such a cool title, and I think it's gonna really be attractive to folks. So
Speaker 2:Please do.
Seth Holehouse:You talk to you know, walk us through this because this is this is a fascinating topic. I know that you, your your coauthor, Kevin Ship, was so you know, former FBI deeply entrenched in the the or oh, no. It was the CIA. Yeah. He's a veteran CIA agent.
Seth Holehouse:Sorry, Kevin, for that. And so a lot of information in this is stuff that probably hasn't seen seen the light of day yet. So I'll just hand it to you wherever you wanna start with this.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I think for your listeners to know is that I'm probably best described as just an intensely curious person. And so I do want to go deeper into this story. And so like a lot of people, you know, I've heard stories about the CIA and, and, know, I have certain opinions, but, you know, until you really research them, just have to say, okay, I accept that to some extent I'm you know probably poorly informed. And so that's why it's always such a thrill to me when my publisher calls me up with an exciting person like Kevin Shipp.
Speaker 2:And so Kevin it was a former seventeen year CIA officer. I learned that they're officers, not agents. Their agents are the people they run-in the foreign countries. So so, you know, first of all, the nomenclature I got to get right. And he served with all four directorates of the agency.
Speaker 2:And in about nineteen ninety nine, two thousand, he ran into trouble with the agency, which was he had identified a vulnerability, which was allowing bad foreign actors to figure out who our CIA agents were overseas and officers were overseas. Because usually the CIA officers are those who are hired by the CIA who are Americans and then they employ assets in the countries who they call agents. And so you know, he thought that identifying this vulnerability for the identity of our overseas assets would be welcomed by the CIA. It was not. He actually had to go outside the agency and actually get get an inspector general, I believe with the State Department who had been a former CIA officer to actually say no this is great and Kevin actually received accommodation for that.
Speaker 2:But of course once you make the big boys look bad they decide to try and punish you and so what happened next was Kevin was sent to a CIA domestic base and his family and he were living in a house that was on top of a toxic waste dump of old ammunition. And he tells the story that one day his son comes up to him and says, dad, dad, look what I found. And he's holding up an old mustard gas shell which had made its way to the surface. And so Kevin and his family suffered from chemical exposure. They spent ten years trying to get damages and get the CIA to admit liability.
Speaker 2:And it was just the strangest thing because it's always about personalities. And so he's negotiating with the CIA saying, look, I was injured here. He had an outside attorney and and you know, the CIA lawyer who is negotiating with him wanted to solve the thing and they'd actually made an offer which was going to be accepted and as Kevin tells the story, he believes it was two people at the CIA, George Tenant and this other guy named Buzzy Crongaard who is his third in command, who nixed the deal. And they threw it out and they said, it's state secrets privilege and, you know, we're only going to offer you half of that money. And so that began, you know, a ten year process.
Speaker 2:Finally, he went public in 2011 in a series of articles in in the New York Times. You know, cataloging his story. So, anybody who wants to search up, Kevin Ship, my co author, can find articles written about him in the New York Times. So, you know, when you're working with a former intelligence agent, you know, it's always one of the criticisms is gonna be like, oh, what was he really in the agency? Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2:He was in the agency and we've got lots of pictures and lots of documentation. So, you know, like most of those blowers that I deal with, it's only when something happens to them and they understand the enormity of the corruption which must be going on all around them. You know, when we live our own lives, you know, we think our lives are the entire world. But, you know, let yourself become at odds with the agency or, you know, with any group. And and you'll find out what that group is really all about.
Seth Holehouse:So the CIA, and this is I'll share a little bit of my own journey in understanding the CIA. So growing up, you look at the CIA and the FBI as the the heroes. Right? You see them as you have all the the Jason Bourne, you know, all the different movies, and you you glorify them. Our our culture glorifies them, or they they it used to.
Seth Holehouse:But as I started learning more about how the world really works and how our government really works, you start to understand that, oh, it's it's almost like the CIA is this more private international spy network that carries out a lot of the nefarious deeds of the military industrial complex, and they work with hired mercenaries and ex special forces that come on as private contractors so they can do things that don't require congressional oversight, and it gets pretty deep. And then I remember when I first came across the book, the confessions of of an economic hitman by John Perkins, who I ended up having the opportunity to interview, and he talked about just the role that the CIA played in regime changes. And not just regime changes, you know, in terms of, like, hey. We're gonna help them do a new election. We're talking about assassinating presidents that don't agree with the the the goals of the military industrial complex and the goals of the the corporatocracy, whether it's, you know, big oil wanting, you know, access to oil as as collateral in, you know, in exchange for a big loan from USAID or whatever it is.
Seth Holehouse:And, you know, he specifically talked about the CIA jackals that come in and, you know, take care of those those presidents. And in that book, specifically, he mentioned, two presidents he he was very close with, the president of Ecuador and the president of Panama, which he, I believe I think he pretty directly stated that those people were killed by these CIA jackals. You know, for them, it was a small aircraft explosion that did So what is your perception as you've learned more? And I know that you're a deep researcher, you have opportunity and access to people like Kevin Shipp who are on the inside. If you had to give your assessment of the role of the CIA globally that is not shown to the public, and it's not portrayed, you know, very often in in the movies and in television, what would that be?
Seth Holehouse:How would you describe their activities?
Speaker 2:Great question. You know, I like to go deep. I'm a guy who, you know, while I will focus on personalities, what I'm really interested in is I'm interested in systems. Like how do people think and what's their operating system? And so one of the chapters that we go into is a deep dive into Alan Dolez.
Speaker 2:Okay? So he was head of the CIA. He was the fifth head of the CIA, but he served from I believe about 1953 to 1961 when he was fired by President Kennedy. But I wanted to understand like who was Alan Dollis and why is it important to understand Alan Dulles to understand the CIA? So here's a couple things about Alan Dulles.
Speaker 2:Before World War II, he was an attorney who was dealing with the rebuilding of Germany. Okay, I believe it was Sullivan and Cromwell that he worked with. His brother ended up as Eisenhower's Secretary of State. So you know, just think about this. Between World War I and World War II, Alan Dulles is meeting with all these Germans, many of whom go on to high positions in Nazi Germany.
Speaker 2:And so the way Alan Dulles I think viewed the world is like, oh yeah, you know, they're our enemy today, but they're really my good friends. And when all this unpleasantness is over, you know, we're all going to be friends again. Alan Dulles during World War II is originally supposed to serve in London, but he gets himself assigned to Switzerland to the financial hub of Europe, which was unaligned during World War II. And it was a place where Nazis could go and Americans could go, right? So against the orders of Franklin Roosevelt, Dulles starts trying to negotiate a separate peace with the Nazis.
Speaker 2:He's trying to get them to give a conditional surrender. This is against what Roosevelt wants. And in fact, he has meetings with representatives of the SS chief, Heinrich Himmler. And when Himmler is captured by Allied forces, he was actually on his way to meet with Alan Dollis. And so, you know, besides Hitler's, there's no worse Nazi than Heinrich Himmler.
Speaker 2:You know, he had a DSS, okay? So, in charge of the death camps and so, to understand that even at the beginning, these guys like Jullis really didn't want to do what the leaders wanted them to do. So end of the war takes place, and then the CIA is created. And the original intelligence agency during World War II was the Office of Special Services, OSS, run by Wild Bill Donovan, right? So when it comes time to create this new agency, who does Truman put in charge but Alan Dulles?
Speaker 2:And so even though Dulles is the number five director of the fifth director of the CIA, he's there from the beginning. And he sets the whole thing up. And he does something that I learned is completely unique in the world of the intelligence agencies. Okay? So pretty much every other intelligence agency in the world recognises this problem that if you're going to have a secret agency, you need to separate two functions.
Speaker 2:You need to have one agency that gathers the intelligence, you need to have another one that you know engages in action. Okay? These should be two different groups of people. These two groups of people should not know each other. Okay, in the CIA, those two were combined.
Speaker 2:And so if you want to take action, and you're the CIA director, you say to yourself like, oh, I just need to feed the president crappy information or biased information, will make him move in my direction. So I'm in control of the information that gets to the president. And then he'll have no choice but to do what I want him to do. And I think so understanding that, understanding that we, the CIA, its inception, had this structural problem that we that they could not that these two functions were combined. The problem with the CIA structurally is that they've got intelligence gathering and action combined in the same agency.
Seth Holehouse:So is it kinda like I'll I'll throw in real quickly. Is it is it almost like within the police, for instance, you might have, you know, a SWAT team or a police officer, and you have a detective. Right? And there's obviously, the the the detectives need to be able to defend themselves, but the detectives aren't the ones getting into firefights and arresting people, and they're just responsible for gathering information. And then once it's cleared, then you have the police force or a SWAT team that might go in and act on that.
Seth Holehouse:And so is that how it should operate according to what you're you're saying?
Speaker 2:That's a wonderful example. Okay. And so he he here's how I think the audience needs to understand when somebody like Trump comes in and he gets the intelligence agencies angry at him because, for example, he doesn't want to take briefings or he doesn't trust them. And they know that. And as I understand, Trump employed some of his own private intelligence groups that he paid in order to get him information because he knows that the way the CIA is operating is they consider themselves above presidents that democratic or republican.
Speaker 2:And what they're going to do is they're going to shade the intelligence to move the president in the direction that they want. And to understand that that has been part of the agency from the very beginning. And so one of the things we also cover in the book is one month after President Kennedy was assassinated, 12/22/1963, Harry Truman, who founded the CIA, published an op ed in the Washington Post, which made this exact same point. And he later said that founding the CIA was the single biggest mistake he made. And so understanding that when you have a system that is set up to have this outcome, you know, it's all about systems.
Speaker 2:It's what you're allowed to do. And so the CIA is allowed to gather the intelligence, take action, and they're also allowed to lie to Congress. And they do it they don't get published. They don't get punished for withholding information from congress or outright lying to them.
Seth Holehouse:I see. Here here's the article here.
Speaker 2:Role to intelligence.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah. 1963. So so that that it's interesting that you mentioned Trump and how Trump, like, wouldn't even take their briefings. I wonder if he suspected that there was massive corruption and they were, know, in a lot of ways, just telling him lies so they could carry on this, you know, whatever criminal activity or whatever they're doing.
Speaker 2:Yep. That's that's the whole game. When you and and so when when you compliment me for going deep, here's what I like to do and why I think my books are so important. Because I show you the game, and I bring receipts for the game. So one of the things that has interested me over the years because I remember watching the news in the 80s and I remember when Gary Webb came out and he said that the CIA was selling crack cocaine in urban neighborhoods and this led to an explosion of violence in the inner cities.
Speaker 2:And I was fascinated by that. So one section of the book that we looked at was going into drug running in the CIA. And I wanted to get the information because here I am a kid in the 80s and I'm reading this stuff and I don't know what's true or not. But here I've got a veteran CIA agent and I say, hey, I got this question. You know, is this, you know, true or or bull or what?
Speaker 2:And so he leads me. So here I was the kid in the 1980s hearing these allegations that the CIA was involved in drug running, crack cocaine into the inner cities of America, specifically places like Los Angeles. So when the opportunity comes to write this book with Kevin Shipp, I want to get into this. I want to understand what happened with the CIA and drug running. Is there a history?
Speaker 2:Is there a pattern here? Well, lo and behold, I find abundant evidence that this is a long running practice of the CIA. Now let me talk about how it came about. So at the end of World War II in China, the nationalists were fighting the communists. The nationalists under Shanghai Shi'k, the communists under Mao Zedong.
Speaker 2:And we had OSS agents in China, specifically one guy named Paul Hellowell. And what Hellowell observed is that the nationalists were selling opium to addicts in Southern China as a way to make money to buy arms to fight the communists. And this became known as the Hallowell Plan. Okay, so all of this is documented in the history. So you can find books, you can find the Hello Well Plan.
Speaker 2:Okay, so then what is also happening is during World War Two, the Office of Naval Intelligence initiated an alliance with the New York Mafia under Lucky Luciano to not only protect US ports from Nazi saboteurs, but also giving them information that helped the US military with the invasion of Sicily, the invasion of Italy, and then the intelligence agencies reestablished the mob in Italy. Okay? So these guys have been working together for a long time. So one of the problems with the CIA when it was founded was Truman signed the order for it to be put into existence, but he didn't give them a budget. Okay.
Speaker 2:So one of the ways that they raised money is that the newly formed CIA went to their buddies in the mob and said, hey, can you produce heroin in Sicily? And then what we'll do is we'll refine it at a pharmaceutical company in Italy and then we'll ship it to The United States where it'll go to Harlem into the jazz clubs because who cares about those jazz musicians? So, here I am saying like, oh my god, this problem has been there from the very beginning. And time and time again, when I went into these deep dives and I found like, okay, I understand what today's controversies are. Can I go back seventy, eighty years and find people bringing up these very same problems?
Speaker 2:Absolutely. And I think that that's something that's that's good for people to understand, because when you look at the history, I mean, you know, it's there. You can find other books, other sources. And all I'm saying is this is the structure by which the CIA had been set up, the way it was being run and just extrapolate into today. And so we're in the book, we're we're going back and forth between what happened in the past and what is currently happening.
Seth Holehouse:So that's okay. So that's a pretty crazy revelation that, basically, the CIA learned the importance of drug running from China based upon what was happening during the the the civil war in China, right, where the KMT and and and the communist. And so that that's crazy, though, that that was how they funded the agency. And so fast forward to today, how much and I know it's probably a very difficult question to answer, but how much money or how much of their funding or or or resources are tied into the global drug trade? Because, you know, you can imagine that why is it that oftentimes you say, oh, there's a corrupt police officer that was arrested, a corrupt politician, a corrupt judge.
Seth Holehouse:Right? What I've found and there's actually a book about called political ponderology, which is a book identifying evil and, like, the understanding that there are people that are evil and psychopathic, but, actually, those people tend towards positions where they can influence and gain power, such as, you know, CEOs of large companies, politicians, judges, police officers, etcetera. And so you oftentimes have people in those positions of power because they can you know, like, a corrupt cop, you know, they they can hide the evidence. They can get away with so much more, let alone if you imagine an entire agency that is okay with the idea of, you know, killing people from drug overdoses and all the other things they're doing to fund this. I mean, it's it's insane to think about, but you can imagine if you're the CIA, you're above the law.
Seth Holehouse:So imagine if you could be, you know, a a drug dealer above the law with an international system where you could you know, you have control of airports and all kinds of things. So back to the question, though, how how large do do you think or do you estimate this drug running operation is today? And then the second part the question is, what does it look like today?
Speaker 2:Well, here's the question I always ask because I'm like a scientist who's looking for the black hole. Okay, the thing that doesn't make sense. So scientists can't observe a black hole. They simply observe a place where light doesn't seem to be going. Okay?
Speaker 2:Or that there's no light emanating from it. So I can go back into the past and I can look at this history of drug running. And so you draw a straight line from heroin in Harlem in the late 1940s. You can look at the allegations of the Golden Triangle in Vietnam. You can look at the 1980s and drugs come crack cocaine coming in to the inner cities.
Speaker 2:And you say like, okay, I'm seeing this pattern. What's the black hole in the American media today? The black hole is why is nobody seeming to aggressively go after the cartels that are bringing drugs, human people and fentanyl into our country. I mean, you know, what is it ninety to one hundred thousand people a year are dying from fentanyl overdoses? So I can't tell you that the CIA is involved with the cartels for in some way to influence government south of our border.
Speaker 2:And in return they're allowing fentanyl and human traffickers to come across the border. What I'm observing is there's to my mind there's no other reasonable explanation other than some deal has been struck. Because I don't hear people talking about ninety to one hundred thousand Americans a year dying from drug overdoses. I'm very clear on what I can prove and what I can't prove. So I give you all the evidence of what's happened in the past.
Speaker 2:I walk you up to the precipice of what's happening today. And I'm asking the question, why is it a very rare politician who says something like, maybe we should send the military after the cartels? I mean, do we really not know where their their, you know, their operations are? We must.
Seth Holehouse:Folks, we all see it. Everything's getting more expensive. We're paying two, three, four times what things cost just a few years ago. And we know they're lying. 3% inflation, really?
Seth Holehouse:Think about it. Why are they telling us to keep our hard earned money in the banks and stock market while they're rushing to buy gold and silver? That's right. Governments and central banks around the world are dumping the dollar and scrambling to buy gold and silver right now. These are smart people.
Seth Holehouse:They see the signs just like you do. They know the crash is coming. The dollar has lost more than half its value in the last five years, and our national debt's increasing a trillion dollars every hundred days. It can't go on like this. Even Bank of America's warning about a dollar collapse.
Seth Holehouse:And if they're right, it's only a matter of time before our savings, our IRAs, and our four zero one k's could be wiped out. Look. Right now, it's still easy to buy gold and silver, but in the future, it may not be. Experts are saying that prices will keep surging, and UBS says that gold could even go up to $5,000 an ounce. Noble Gold's phones have been ringing off the hook because the folks who get it are wasting time.
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Seth Holehouse:Yeah. I mean, of course, with with our satellites, and who knows what kinds of technology that they have. So, gosh, it's it's crazy that they because as I'm I'm reflecting on this, I'm looking at, you know you know, your your book, you know, the the, you know, the the shadow government, right, discussing that. And what I see is what I see is, obviously, it's some form of shadow government. Right?
Seth Holehouse:You know, they're they're doing regime changes. This has become much more common knowledge, right, that they're, you know, doing color revolutions in other countries and and whatnot. But what I'm also looking at here is the role as social engineers, because, ultimately, a government is, you know, in a lot of ways, beholden to the people, especially in a constitutional republic. That's how it's supposed to be. But if the people in the country, if they're doped up on drugs, if they are lied to through the media, which I want I wanna get into the media next, you these are these are ways even looking at how they've created this this race war in America, and why is it that blacks are filling our prisons?
Seth Holehouse:Why is it that drugs are so prolific? And, you know, they want they they want people that, you know, to have this divide of left versus right, black versus white. They want the white people to say, oh, it's the lazy black people. They want the white the black people to say, oh, it's the the oppressive white people, but maybe a lot of it is just that our agencies and the CIA has been intentionally injecting highly addictive and highly deadly drugs and, you know, they have a very high, you know, penalty if you get caught with them. Right?
Seth Holehouse:You know, let alone, you know, marijuana people are in prison for marijuana. You know, if someone gets caught with a pound of of heroin, I mean, they're that's that's a that's a pretty serious sentence. And so you can see that there's there's massive social engineering with drugs and how they've they've done that, but then we step into the media, which I was reflecting on this earlier today as I was thinking about just the state of our country heading into the election and the divide and everything. It's like, gosh. I I feel like probably almost 95% of it is just the media, just the lies of the media.
Seth Holehouse:Well And, obviously, with, you know, the politicians. But
Speaker 2:I I love that you're bringing that up because that's a big topic of our book. Because, again, what I can do is I can go into the past and I can give you good reliable information about what happened. It's been vetted. It's part of the accepted history. And then we go into the present and we present these problems and we suggest that maybe that's what's happening.
Speaker 2:So let's talk about the press. So from its very inception, the CIA understood that they needed to control the free flow of information to us. And so what did they do? Well, you know, they created this thing called Project Mockingbird, which was revealed in the mid 1970s by the church committee in which at least 400 journalists were on the payroll of the CIA. And, you know, one of the things to realize is that those were journalists who were actually on the payroll.
Speaker 2:What they'd also done was they had an active recruitment measure. So one of the things that, you know, is fascinating to me because, you know, I when I was young, I just worshipped at the altar of William F. Buckley Jr. Okay? You know, National Review.
Speaker 2:He was my guy. I just loved him. So sophisticated and everything. So imagine my surprise when I'm putting this book together and I find out that Buckley had been hired by the CIA out of Yale. Okay.
Speaker 2:And it's in all the histories and everything. And so, you know, of course, he downplays his role, but it's like, oh, that's that's pretty interesting. And you find out that these these titans of the media were on the payroll of the CIA, like Philip Graham, who would later go on to own the Washington Post, his wife after his death, Catherine Graham, would own the Washington Post. Your audience may not know this, but if you go to the CIA, there is the Katherine Graham Auditorium. Okay, so, you know, you find these things.
Speaker 2:And, you know, one of the things is, you know, I'm like a dog, a detective. So I get on a scent and I stay on it. So the fact that I worshiped William F Buckley as a kid and I find out that he was a CIA agent pissed me off to no end. And I said, let me investigate this. And so I came up with another interesting fact that everybody agrees to it cited.
Speaker 2:So during the Watergate controversy, the Watergate scandal, it came out that William F. Buckley was the godfather to E Howard Hunt's children. E Howard Hunt was the ringleader of the Watergate break in. And so Howard Hunt, E Howard Hunt had been Buckley's handler. And to make it even crazier, you know, because we we go into Watergate and we we also we open the book like going after Bob Woodward, who also seems to be an intelligence asset, you know, in our opinion.
Speaker 2:And when you look at his history, his history makes no freaking sense. But during the Watergate scandal, e Howard Hunt is trying to pay off the burglars to stay quiet. Who is he using as his courier to get money to the Watergate burglars? He's using his wife. Okay?
Speaker 2:What happens to his wife? His wife dies in a plane crash, which the the plane, a commercial jetliner going into Midway Airport in Chicago blows up. And now William F. Buckley is, you know, godfather to to E. Howard Hunt's children.
Speaker 2:And I'm just saying to myself, how many ways do they have us? Another guy who was one of this original group was a guy named Richard Melan Skiaffi. Now that name may or may not be familiar to people, but he was the guy in the 90s who was funding all the anti Clinton stuff. And so you find yourself going like, what is going on here? Why do all these people seem to have intelligence connections?
Speaker 2:And, you know, it's said that if you just know the story, don't know anything. You got to know the players. Okay? So here's what this book does for you. This book tells you the players.
Speaker 2:I show you how the manipulation is done. And then we talk about stories that are in the news and we encourage you to think, hey, maybe the story you're hearing in the news, take whatever you wanna do. The Covington kids, Russiagate. I mean, the whole Russiagate thing is an abomination to American democracy. Because you find things that the intelligence agencies first use Carter Page to go after President Trump without telling the court that Carter Page was actually a CIA asset.
Speaker 2:In here's Carter Page. You know, poor Carter Page. What a nice guy. He you know, he's told that the that the Russians are trying to to, you know, influence him. So what does Carter Page do?
Speaker 2:You know, in two I think it's like 02/2012, '2 thousand '13. Carter Page says, sure. I'll talk to you intelligence guys. Yeah. Sure.
Speaker 2:You know, I'll let you know everything that's going on. And so poor Carter Page doing his his duty as what he thinks is a patriotic American by talking to our intelligence agencies about possible Russian involvement. A couple years later finds himself accused of being a Russian agent. So that's the kind of games they're playing. And, you know, once you see it, and that's hopefully what our book does, you can't unsee it.
Seth Holehouse:Well, one other person I'll bring up is Anderson Cooper. Right? This is a paper. This is published, you know, on a, you know, a scholar website. It's a it's a PDF, you know, kind of analysis.
Seth Holehouse:Anderson Cooper, CIA operative. And it says here, it says following his sophomore year and junior years at Yale, there you go, yeah, a well known recruiting ground for the CIA, Cooper spent his summers interning at the agency's monolithic headquarters in Langley, Virginia in a program for students interested in intelligence work. His involvement with the agency ended there, and he chose not to pursue a job with the agency after graduation according to a CNN spokeswoman who confirmed the details of CIA's Cooper's CIA involvement to radar. So, of course, it's like, oh, well well okay. So thank goodness thank goodness CNN has debunked this article that their their star journalist doesn't have CIA connection.
Seth Holehouse:And, also, the, you know, the interesting thing is that I'm sure you run into these you start running into these families and these bloodlines. And it's like, oh, Anderson Cooper is also you know, he's not that's not his real name. He's actually he's a Vanderbilt. He's like, oh, he actually comes from one of America's most powerful families. And, oh, he went to Yale, and he interned at the CIA.
Seth Holehouse:Now he's one of their all star news anchors. It it just there's too many coincidences, and they're thinking about
Robert Kiyosaki:We we what Go ahead.
Speaker 2:One of the interesting one of the interesting things that we delve into is how even from the beginning. So Office of Strategic Services in World War II needs to be looked at as the forerunner of the CIA. Because a lot of the guys who are in OSS end up as founding members of CIA. Well, OSS was composed mostly of Ivy Leaguers, bankers, lawyers. That's the way it got set up.
Speaker 2:CIA was the same sort of thing. And so, you know, one of the things that's really interesting, this is where, you know, I think you just have to be a dogged detective. And that's what I am. So I actually go to the original sources. So like, for example, you know, what's hilarious to me is I have this belief that human beings need to tell the truth, okay, in some way.
Speaker 2:So you can even you can go do a deep dive into the bad guys. And if you're doing your homework, you're going to find out that they convict themselves. Here's a perfect example. Alan Dolez in 1963 publishes a book about intelligence work. And so I get the book and I start reading through it.
Speaker 2:And he talks about, gee, there needs to be a way that we interact with the newspapers and the media. And maybe that First Amendment is kind of an impediment to our work. And I'm thinking like, oh my God, John Kerry just recently said something which is straight out of Alan Dolis's mouth. So when you get the program, when you understand how they have to influence us, you know, under, you know, because we're supposed to live in a democracy, so they got to convince us we live in So their ways are going to be different than a typical dictatorship, but they're trying to influence us. And so, you know, I always say that I think we're living in an Eastern European nineteen eighty eight moment where the truth is being revealed.
Speaker 2:And so what's happening now in story after story that you read is people don't trust the institutions. Okay? And when people don't trust the institutions, you can have a relatively nonviolent revolution. I think we are at the precipice of a nonviolent revolution, not where we're going to be shooting at each other, but where the system collapses based on its absurdity. And it's absurdity that is clear to everybody.
Speaker 2:So I'm really hope, I mean, look at who they put up. The Democrats put up
Seth Holehouse:for
Speaker 2:president. The worst politician in America. I mean, who could not? Who with a barely functioning brain couldn't do a Joe Rogan interview? You know, I mean, he is so friendly.
Speaker 2:He's so polite. You know, he starts his show complimenting, you know, people on something, their health, their looks, their body of work. You know, 90% of Americans, ninety eight percent of Americans could go on Joe Rogan and he would find something interesting about him. The only person in America who couldn't do Joe Rogan is running for president on the democratic ticket.
Seth Holehouse:It's it's absurd. It's absolutely insane, and you make a good point with that.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Just
Seth Holehouse:One thing I wanted to add
Speaker 2:is I say I say we have to be good hearted. We have to poke fun because it's our laughter, which is gonna bring down the system.
Seth Holehouse:I I certainly agree with that. I I really do. One thing I was gonna throw in there just as we're kinda going into these these connections and, you know, Yale, right, as this this article, you know, kinda points out that Yale's a very, very common, you know, recruiting ground for the CIA. One of the most famous, Yale I'm not sure if he's a graduate or someone that was involved in Yale and studied at Yale was Mao Zedong, which a lot people don't understand that. So, actually, a lot Mao Zedong was part of Yale in China, which was a group.
Seth Holehouse:It was a a program of bringing Yale to China. So Mao Zedong was part of the Yale in China program, and in fact, they helped him print a lot of his earlier flyers. They gave him buildings to use for his earlier rallies. And and so you think it's like, oh, this is this is a much deeper web than we could possibly imagine, but I I like your your conclusion that we we've at with this. And it's something I agree completely as well is that these institutions, these governments, these corp you know, these these giant corporations, and really, you know, Satan himself.
Seth Holehouse:Let let's just say let's just say it for what it is. Satan himself only wins if he can keep the population in a state of deception because I I really believe that all of us are are made in God's image, and that we have a conscience that we and we have a soul. And that if you show someone right and wrong, there's deep, deep, deep inside of them. Even if it's buried, they know right and wrong. And what makes us commit a lot of wrong is the deception that convinces the world that wrong is right.
Seth Holehouse:Right? These these are very Orwellian times that it's a good thing. It's a virtuous thing to to mutilate children's genitals. It's like, how are we living in this world where we feel fighting for that or that we have the the main issue of, you know, the the Democratic Party that is driving is we wanna give you the right to kill your own baby if you want to. Right?
Seth Holehouse:It's it's absurd. If if you went back a couple hundred years like, right now, my wife and I were watching War and Peace. And I'm seeing the culture and and the beauty of Russia, you know, pre Bolshevism and pre, you know, Soviet Union. I'm thinking, gosh. Imagine if you went back in time to that era in the early eighteen hundreds and you told these people, hey.
Seth Holehouse:You know what? In a in a couple hundred years, the most important thing to a large part of the voting class in America is the women wanting the ability to kill their own bot their own babies. People would look at that and think, that's absolutely insane, but that is the power of the media. It's the power of big tech. It's the power of the CIA.
Seth Holehouse:It's it's the power of the social engineers as they can convince the population that evil is good and good is evil. But Yeah. That's only for as long as they can control the narrative, and we're seeing that break. And and and in part by folks like yourself, they're writing books breaking the narrative. So let me go and pull up.
Seth Holehouse:I'll pull up just the the Amazon link for that. This is the book, folks, Twilight of the shadow government, how transparency will kill the deep state. Actually, there it is. How transparency will kill the deep state. That's it.
Seth Holehouse:We have to expose. We have to shine light on this. And, also, if folks want to check out your website as well, it's kentheckinlivelybooks.com. That's so they can look at you know, read about you. They can contact you, etcetera.
Seth Holehouse:Also, recommend folks follow you on Twitter as well. So, Kent, do you have any final closing thoughts as we wrap up?
Speaker 2:No. Just be of good cheer. I don't know what's gonna happen the next couple weeks, but I think that the system is breaking down. So I can't tell you when it's gonna break down, but it will break down.
Seth Holehouse:That's a good point. Because as as we're heading into these, you know, really, you know, the election and then the the months after that until we get the inauguration, regardless of what happens, that's a really good point that the system is on its last leg. So even if they're they're able to pull off, you know, in installing COML and everything, again, you know, maybe it maybe it lasts six months before the whole thing falls apart, which, you know, I I I can't say I'm looking forward to the whole thing falling apart, but I'd rather live in a system that's that's collapsing, that's that's the evil collapsing, and maybe there's a difficulty around that and us, you know, the good people rising through that, than living in a system where the evil has this maybe things are more peaceful and more stable, but you're absolutely controlled by these evil systems. I'd rather be, in in the former.
Speaker 2:Yep. Alright, Seth. Thank you so much.
Seth Holehouse:Of course, Kent. Thank you very much. And just to encourage again, I'm gonna bring up the Amazon link one more time, folks. This is how this is one way we fight is by supporting authors like Kent, who is writing books. I imagine that c I that CNN did not offer you an interview to talk about your new book.
Seth Holehouse:Right?
Speaker 2:They did not.
Seth Holehouse:Yep. But I certainly did. So, you know, we are the media now. That that's that's what's happening. We are the media now.
Seth Holehouse:Well, thank you, Kent. Take care, and God bless. It's always nice talking to you.
Speaker 2:Thank you.
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