I Love Your Stories- Conversations with Artists and Creatives with Hava Gurevich

In this episode of I Love Your Stories, Hava is joined by poet Victor Sotomayor, who performs under the name Italo. Based in Los Angeles and raised in Peru, Victor is also the co-founder of Theria Magazine and Theria Radio, platforms dedicated to supporting independent artists and creative voices outside the mainstream.

The conversation explores poetry as a form of healing, emotional release, and self-discovery. Victor shares how performance allows him to fully embody his work, the story behind creating the persona of Italo, and why some poems are meant to be shared while others remain deeply personal. He also reads two of his poems during the episode, offering a glimpse into the emotional intensity and theatricality of his work.

Hava and Victor discuss his two published books of poetry, including No Se Habla Español, an anthology centered around discrimination and identity, and The Oz Monologues, inspired by the characters of The Wizard of Oz. The latter went on to inspire an award-winning stage production.

This is a conversation about art as transformation, creating space for authentic voices, and the ways poetry can help us process what is otherwise difficult to say.


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Shownotes
01:00:07 — Introduction to Victor Sotomayor, also known as Italo
 01:02:28 — Victor shares how he came to poetry
 01:03:51 — Growing up in Peru and returning to Los Angeles
 01:07:40 — Poetry as healing and a way to process trauma
 01:12:14 — Victor performs “Dear Dorothy” from The Oz Monologues
 01:17:17 — How The Oz Monologues led to a theatre production and Russia
 01:20:53 — Theria Radio and supporting independent artists
 01:21:38 — The beginning of Theria Magazine
 01:24:15 — Inviting artists to submit music and poetry
 01:33:37 — Victor’s definition of success
 01:38:55 — Friday night poetry on Theria Radio

Memorable Quotes
“Poetry is healing.”
“We’re all storytellers.”
“I was a poet back when I didn’t know what poetry was.”
“We wanted to have a platform that caters to independent artists only.”
“Sometimes I write poetry for me that I will never share.”
“Your poetry doesn’t have to rhyme.”
“Many people don’t realize they’re poets too.”
“We are all artists, we are born artists.”
“The more personal it is, the more universal it becomes.”

Creators and Guests

HG
Host
Hava Gurevich

What is I Love Your Stories- Conversations with Artists and Creatives with Hava Gurevich?

I Love Your Stories is a soulful conversation series hosted by artist and creative guide Hava Gurevich, where art meets authenticity. Each episode invites you into an intimate dialogue with artists, makers, and visionaries who are courageously crafting lives rooted in creativity, purpose, and self-expression.

From painters and poets to healers and community builders, these are the stories behind the work—the moments of doubt, discovery, grief, joy, and transformation. Through honest, heart-centred conversations, Hava explores how creativity can be both a healing force and a path to personal truth.

If you’re an artist, a dreamer, or someone drawn to a more intuitive and intentional way of living, this podcast will remind you that your story matters—and that the act of creating is a sacred, revolutionary act.

[MUSIC]

Welcome back to All of Your Stories.

I'm your host, Tava Gurvitch,

and today I'm joined by

poet Victor Sotomayor,

who performs under the name Italo.

Based in Los Angeles, Victor is also

a co-founder of Theria

Magazine and Theria Radio.

He has published two books of poetry,

including "Nocerbla Español"

and "Antology Addressing Discrimination"

and "The Oz Monologues,"

a collection inspired by the

characters of "Wizard of Oz,"

that later became an

award-winning stage production.

During our conversation,

Italo reads two of his poems

and shares how poetry becomes a place

where emotion,

performance, and truth meet.

We talk about writing as

both a private act of healing

and something meant to be shared,

and about building creative platforms

that make room for

voices outside the mainstream.

If poetry has ever found

you when you needed it most,

this episode will feel

like a quiet confirmation

rather than an explanation.

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Welcome back to "I Love Your Stories."

My guest today is Victor Sotomayor,

and Victor is based out of Los Angeles.

He is a poet.

He's also the editor of

an entertainment magazine

called "Siri Entertainment."

And what else do I know about you?

That's about it.

(laughing)

I'm gonna let you, if

you wanna just tell us

a little bit about

yourself and how you got to poetry

and where you are now.

Great.

Well, first, thank you for

having me on your podcast.

I just talked to you earlier

because I actually will be featuring you

in our magazine

called "Theoria Magazine."

So yes, my name is Victor Sotomayor,

and I am the editor, also the co-founder

of "Theoria Entertainment."

And we have basically our,

we're based in Los Angeles.

Yes.

But we actually have

expanded to international too.

We actually have some

people from South Africa.

That was in their magazine.

So I don't know if that

answered all your questions.

Well, actually, it answers part of it.

And I do wanna talk about the magazine,

but first a little bit about you.

So a little bit about your background

and how you started in poetry.

Okay.

I can actually get, I

can tell you a story.

Yes.

I'm also a storyteller.

Oh, and actually the funny thing is that

some people may not realize

that we're all storytellers.

We all talk about our stories, right?

So I can tell you a story

and you may think it's fictional, but,

so my story started in

the year of the rat, 1972.

I was born here in

Los Angeles, California,

but my parents are from Peru.

So they actually migrated back to Peru

when I was one and a half.

And I grew up in Peru,

which is in South America.

So my first language

was actually not English.

You know, I learned Spanish first.

Now I'll fast forward to

when I got to come back here.

And I wasn't sure what I

was gonna do with my life.

I thought I wanted to

be an actor, you know,

Hollywood and all, but things happened.

And now I'm in my forties.

Well, right now I'm in my fifties.

But when I was in my forties,

I discovered a passion of poetry,

going to open mics here in the Valley,

so Fernando Valley, North

Hollywood, Hollywood area.

And I used to actually

be so shy about poetry,

but they invited me to

come to this open mic

and the host of the open

mic, his name is Jeffrey Martin.

It was just like, I felt like at home.

I felt, suddenly I felt like I'm a,

guard was down for a moment.

And everybody was sharing their poetry.

And so, and I'm not shy,

but I wasn't sure at the same time

about what I was gonna share at the time.

And so I think I read whatever I read.

And you know how we are artists,

we are very critical, right?

So I think I just storm out of the place.

As soon as I was that, I'm like,

I didn't drop the

mic, but I was like, bye.

Then I went outside.

And the host of the open

mic, his name is Jeffrey.

He was so touched by

that piece that I shared.

And I didn't realize

people were paying attention.

And anyways, another fast

forward to a few years later,

I was talking to a

classmate of mine in Peru,

and we were doing the Facebook thing.

And I told her, I'm like, I'm very

excited to tell you.

That guess what?

And she knew me since

I was in high school

or middle school, elementary actually.

She said, oh, I told

her, guess what, I'm a poet.

And I go to this open

mic and it's amazing.

I published my book and da, da, da.

And she's like,

Victor, I already knew that.

And I'm like, wait a minute,

what do you mean you knew that?

I mean, my 40s, right?

And she's like, wait,

hold on a second, right?

And she stopped, she's typing.

And I see the type

typing, typing, typing.

I'm like, what is she typing, right?

What is she typing?

And then suddenly it dawned on me.

Oh my God.

Are you sharing

something that I gave to you

back when I was 12?

And she's like, yeah.

And I'm like, wait a minute.

I was a poet back in, wait a second.

I just blew my mind.

How do you keep this for so many years?

And then it's like a

gift that I gave to myself

to remind me that I was a poet

back when I didn't know what poetry was.

What is it about poetry that abused you

like as a form, as an art

form or of a form of expression?

Well, poetry is healing.

And I didn't understand

it at the time that I was,

and I was the moment that

I shared a personal piece

because I always perform.

I'm doing performances here and there,

but there was one time that

I was hosting the open mic

and I shared something personal.

And after I was done with that, I felt,

I felt something leaving my body.

And it was the goosebumps,

but they were all over me.

Like I was like ants.

And I'm like, and now I

think I've ever really said this

in the mic.

Wow.

Wow.

That just happened.

And they were like, they're all like,

yeah, that just happened.

So what I realized is that I wasn't,

I didn't understand it at the time

that it was me processing

my traumas and my fears.

And it was therapy

because they were listening.

It was just not one person listening.

They were all listening, even

the people that were taking,

because it was a coffee shop.

So they were just people

that was just random people

that were there just to get their coffee.

And they were like, wait a

second, what's happening here?

I was just getting my

coffee and I'm like,

and they sat down and they listened

and they stayed for

the whole hour or two.

And they were like, I'm

gonna come back with my poetry

that I'm going to write because of what

you just shared today.

I'm like, right, I inspire you to write.

That's, they're like, yes, you did.

One of the things that

I'm hearing and I'm not,

like poetry is not

something that I've ever gravitated

towards, so there is a

kind of notion that poetry

is something sort of up

there, like Shakespeare,

like something that's kind of hard and

you have to study it

and it's intellectual

or sort of up there.

But that's really not the case,

that poetry is something that's very

personal and immediate

or can be something

personal and immediate.

And a way to express

yourself and connect.

I'm looking at the

little bit of information

I found about you.

It says that you published two books

and the first book was

an anthology of poetry

about discrimination

titled, "No Sable Español."

And the second one is a

collection of monologues

inspired by the

characters of "Wizard of Oz."

Oh, it's blurry because

you're blurring the back.

Oh, I'm sorry.

Also to mention that

you do have a stage name

as a poet, Italo.

Yes.

I'm curious about that.

What is, why have a stage name?

I didn't like my name for a while

because of my

relationship with my father.

My father's name is Victor Manuel

and I'm Victor, period.

So I battled with that for a while.

And so I was like, well,

I'm gonna give myself a name.

And I always liked the name Italo

because it reminded me of Italy and I

love Italy, whatever.

So I was like Italo, that's it.

So tell me about this

characters of the "Wizard of Oz,"

monologues inspired by the

characters of "Wizard of Oz."

What is that?

I'll give you a sample.

How about that?

Yes, that would be great.

So what I'm gonna read,

and this by the way took

me all the way to Russia.

And so I'll tell you

the story after, but okay.

So I'm doing the one that is my favorite.

I perform it every time

that they ask me to do a poem

and I memorized it, right?

But I always have to have

this just for my safety blanket.

Yes.

But I will be performing as Italo.

So if you don't know Italo, watch out.

I'll be nice to you.

Yes, this is actually a

piece called "Dear Dorothy."

And you have to figure

out who this person is.

(clears throat)

"Dear Dorothy, I know

who you are, my pretty."

You told me your name 100 times.

1000 times Dorothy Gale from Kansas,

or your heart dances

and you left your stances.

Oh, poetry.

Were you under a point, tree?

I remember the first time I did ask you,

your anus is your charm,

running it all over us.

And suddenly everyone wanted to be you.

They wanted a piece of your charm.

Oh, well, I'm not like everyone, you see.

I wasn't happy when I saw you dropping

from the dark clouds

and stomping your

house on my dear sister,

Wicked Witch of the East.

My other half.

The only one I can tell my

secrets to, my dear sister.

The only one who never called me Wicked.

Like all those munchkins in large,

munchkin landlabs to label me.

Everybody's scared of

what they don't know.

If they spend the time to know me,

they realize that could be charming.

Believe it or not, Dorothy from Kansas,

I also know was despicable and wicked.

I was young once, naive, defenseless.

Like when you first arrived in Oz,

and then you took a hold

of my sister's slippers.

Get this haba, not red, not green.

They were silver.

And they were a gift to my sister.

And they hold us into mental value to me.

You know, you know what I mean, right?

Spasiva.

I still mourn her

death when I'm all alone.

My black heart still aches

when I remember my sister.

And I don't even

blame you for killing her.

I know very well that

wasn't your intention.

I'm not stupid.

But what kills me is

how you fool everyone.

All alone, they all believe

you're so naive and innocent,

but I see your intentions.

I see through you in my crystal ball.

You're becoming more and more powerful

in your journey to the city of emeralds.

You're a threat to us all in Oz and

you're getting momentum.

And there's no stopping you.

Not my flying monkeys, not the rain,

not the thunderstorms, not the cuervos,

or that's prose in Spanish.

I know Spanish.

Not the shadows that

chase you to the dark forest.

Not my black magic,

not my curses, nothing.

And everything that has changed your way

came back to me tenfold.

Karma is a witch.

I should have known.

It was my first listening to "Let a

Learning Wish Craft."

Aww.

That's part one.

Wow.

Like I said, watch out.

She's come in the whole bar with her.

That's amazing.

Okay, now I understand Italo.

Yeah, no, yeah.

Yeah.

It's really fun

actually seeing your face,

seeing how you act out on the poem

is just as much part of it as reading it.

And I don't like to

watch myself performing.

So right now I was very uncomfortable.

Oh.

But actually it's good,

because I now realize

what I have to do is,

this is my philosophy as a poet.

Sometimes you embody this personality,

or this persona, or this spirit, or this,

you're a messenger.

You're somehow

connected to the spirits, right?

And this person that I'm talking,

or she's speaking through me.

And I don't know who that is.

I thought it was my mom,

because I based it on my mom very much,

but it's not her.

So I'm like, who's talking to me?

Because this poem came to me so quickly.

I knew what I had to say,

the next line came to me,

and the next line came to me.

This is just a part of that story.

And I was replying back to Dorothy,

because Dorothy started it all.

But before Dorothy was a flying monkey.

Suddenly I became every

character in the story.

How does this have to do with Russia?

Where?

Ah, right.

Interesting story.

So basically,

one of the owners of Theory Entertainment

is basically the time.

He was actually, he's an artist too.

And he was performing,

we were performing at an open mic,

but we never met each other before.

So I performed, it wasn't this piece.

It was the Cowardly Lion piece,

which has to do about my parents.

And he's the only one

that came to me after.

He's like,

"I know you're talking

about your father, right?"

I'm like, "Yeah."

And he's like, "Yeah."

And so we connected, right?

And then I wrote every

character of the story,

from the Wizard of Oz

to, or the Wizard himself,

and the witches and everything.

Dorothy too, of course.

And then he's like, "Okay, so

you're done with it, right?"

And then he presented me

with this gift one day,

which is the book, the actual book.

He designed it.

I don't know if you can

see it, but it's, okay.

Yeah, we took this to

the theater production

that we did in Hollywood.

And somebody that was in

the cast, which is the monkey,

she was from St. Petersburg.

And she invited a friend of hers

to see the show in Hollywood.

So somebody came, saw the show.

After the show, she's like,

"I wanna talk to you

guys about going to set..."

She didn't tell us what.

The next day we went to see her,

and she told us, "I want you guys

to come to St. Petersburg."

And I'm like, "For what?"

She's like, "I want you guys to direct."

I was the director of the show.

And of course, Seb was

the graphic designer.

We had a whole production here.

So I want you guys to

come to St. Petersburg.

And we went to the Cebur Arena.

It's a 7,000 seat.

Arena.

A picture, you know, Staple Center,

or Madison Square Garden.

And it was that size.

Wow.

And all I said was, "Yes, I

don't know what I'm doing,

but I'm going to St. Petersburg."

I don't know Russian.

The only thing I

learned was Spasiba and Niet.

But it turns out the cast members

knew English enough to understand

what I was trying to...

Anyhow, so yes, that was in 2018.

And I thought I was

going to go on the tour.

That didn't happen.

But luckily, I was able to see Russia

and realize these people are amazing.

Oh my God.

That's an amazing experience.

So tell me about Thuria Magazine.

How did that come about?

What is it exactly?

Right.

Well, Thuria Magazine came to us,

I believe two years ago.

But yes, we were

already doing the radio app,

which is called Thuria Radio.

And we got all the musicians,

we got all the music there.

We do have some artists that are signed

under the label Thuria Entertainment.

They are independent artists.

All of them are independent artists,

original music, no covers, also no AI.

And we made it a point to be,

because I'm an artist and

we are all artists here,

we wanted to have a platform

that caters to independent artists only

because nobody's giving us a spotlight.

The radio was already

going for two years.

And then the magazine came to us,

a whole thing within,

it took us two years

to get to that point,

to the first issue of the magazine.

And now we're five issues in.

And so it's getting better.

It's not easy, I can tell you that much.

We're always looking for new

artists and looking for new,

because we wanna have graphic design,

graphic, like your art is very colorful,

very soothing to the eye.

We wanna have photographers,

we wanna have tattoo artists,

we wanna have, who

knows what's out there?

And the poets too, obviously.

So we always try to feature comedians,

so storytellers, you gotta tell,

I can go on and on, but.

So is 3A radio was a response to the fact

that it's very hard

for independent artists

to break through because of

Spotify and other big giants.

And then when you

decided to launch a magazine,

it's kind of an extension of that.

So a similar thing where you want to be

this alternative voice that.

Right, you may think that you,

because you're on all these platforms,

that you're gonna be

famous and reaching famous, no.

You may be in there, sure,

but are they streaming your music?

The music that is on 3A

radio gets to be rotated.

So your song is on rotation,

we actually get more, we

give them more exposure

than you will get from the

other social media platforms.

Are there other

streaming services, right?

What genres of music you?

We have country music that

I never knew was amazing,

rap music, hip hop, Spanish music,

we have a section for that.

We have gospel, everything.

Heavy metal to some of it.

And it's all

independent, so that's the point.

I'm definitely gonna

have links to all of this

in the notes for people to check out.

And I will as well.

And actually I would encourage them

to also submit their

poetry and their music,

because if you're

listening and you're an artist,

all you gotta do is

submit your music or poetry,

we'll sit your dad.

So let me ask you this,

what are you most

passionate about right now?

Poetry?

Not only because it

helps me obviously, right?

And I haven't even shared

the other side of the poetry

that I would like to

share that today if I can,

that is more healing or is more personal

or is more for me.

Sometimes I write poetry

for me that I will never share

or I don't feel

comfortable sharing on social media

because social media is what it is.

Sometimes you don't

feel safe sharing that

on public platforms like social media.

That's why we created Theory because,

and that's what I'm passionate about

is my show on theory radio,

it's called Theory of Poetry.

So I personally select,

well, some of them are

submissions that I get.

And there's all kinds of

poetry, there's healing poetry,

there's different formats,

different the Filipino

community, the Asian community,

Hispanic community, LGBTQ community.

You can talk about every

community has different poetry.

Yeah.

Can you share something personal

that you're comfortable sharing?

Of course.

Well, how deep you want to get?

I'll share one that is,

I wouldn't say personal,

but it's more inspirational.

Okay.

That I was thinking about,

what we talked about earlier.

So this is called reflection on feet.

I know.

That's a reaction that I wanted.

So it goes like this.

Where will your feet take you?

Take off your shoes and free your toes.

Feel the earth beneath you.

Every step you take,

takes you farther than when you started.

A human baby is unable to walk.

Cognitive brain takes months

and years to sort of develop.

And for a good reason,

you have to know all

the rhymes of the season

from the moment you spring

until you embrace the winter.

Every leaf falling off the trees,

every branch that sprouts,

sometimes it needs to

break away so you can grow.

The trees are underrated.

Yeah, it's so wise.

Imagine if they use their feet.

Imagine them moving

around, roaming about,

yet they remain still.

Their roots in the same place

where their roots sprouted from.

So imagine how trees

may envy our free will.

Imagine how much wiser men would be

if they use their feet purposely.

Many times we walk in

the wrong direction,

like incense, love and affection,

falling into temptation,

afflictions and addictions.

Every step takes you farther from home

until you discover the power,

trapping your feet alone.

How many steps do you

take to get you here today?

How many paths do you walk

to get you standing there?

Ground yourself, find your purpose,

or you'll be walking inside a maze,

walking in circles,

repeating the same mistakes.

You're in charge of your feet.

Let them take you where you desire to be.

Will you need to lead

and protect your feet?

For they will take you far.

Remember, you're blessed to have feet.

And you possess free will.

Be wise and prepare for

your fall in your walk.

Connect with your spirit,

and they will take your road.

God's poem.

Wow.

You're really opening my eyes

as far as like what poetry can be.

Maybe I need to give it more of a chance

than I have.

Well, I have a question for you.

Yes.

So before we started

talking about poetry,

what was your idea of,

what's your idea of

poetry right now or before?

Kind of been an art form

that I have not given much thought to.

I have heard poems here and there.

And I actually, I did take a

poetry class in grad school.

And it was, it felt like a lot of work.

We would read a poem

and then there was a

lot of like interpreting

what it might mean.

And every word had so much meaning

and which was really

interesting as an academic exercise.

But it left me feeling

that poetry has to be received

in this kind of

rigorous intellectual setting.

And I think this is a similar way

that some people think about art,

especially if they feel

like art is just the stuff

that you see in a museum

and that you don't understand.

And somebody has to explain to you why,

why it's art kind of thing.

But I would say primarily,

I haven't given it that much thought.

Right.

That's the main thing.

Well, and I see the

reason I'm asking that question

is because, well, first of all,

I wanted to see your

impression of what poetry,

what your impression of it was or is,

but also because I

thought the same thing.

I can never write

like Maya Angelou, right?

Or like Edgar Alampault,

another amazing poet, right?

Of his time.

Like we're in 2026, aren't we?

Are we?

So it's like, okay,

how can I relate to

somebody from the 1800s?

Yeah.

Where what's going on today

kind of takes precedence

over what happened in 1800

in England somewhere.

Not to insult the dead

poets, but they're dead.

Yeah.

Yeah, they had a time and it's a place

and we're still celebrating.

Yeah, it's kind of like saying that

Michael Angelou or even

Picasso is all there is to art.

Of art.

You know, and they're

always going to be valuable

and there's always

gonna be something to learn,

but they don't represent everything

that's happened since.

Right.

Another thing too, does it have hot poems

that are way deeper than that one?

Live doesn't give you warnings.

It's like, hey, watch out.

Someone's gonna cut you off the freeway.

You're gonna be, you know,

now nobody tells you, you know,

what you're gonna go be

going through as a 10 year old

or a five year old watching

your parents fight over dinner.

And you're like, what's happening?

Everything was fine yesterday.

And so, and your poetry

doesn't have to rhyme.

It doesn't have to

be, you know, haiku wise

or it doesn't have to be a sauna.

Yeah, sure.

You can learn about

the rules of the poetry.

And there are many that

I still haven't learned.

Yeah.

I don't pay attention to

that when I'm writing my poetry.

I honestly don't.

Some poets out there are freestyle poets

and some of them are rappers.

Yeah.

Rapper is a rhythm and poetry.

R-A-P.

That's amazing.

And both of the poems that you read,

like they're very easy to,

they're very

accessible and very relatable

and full of imagery.

Very nice.

So I wanted to ask you with everything

that you have done in your life so far,

what is your definition of success

and how has it changed over time?

Well, the definition of

success back in the day

used to be related to money, right?

I thought you were doing the snapping.

Oh, the snapping.

Well, that too, it can

be validation, right?

Yeah.

And yeah, for a moment it

was, or it is sometimes.

I still need validation.

I still need the snaps to be like,

"Hey, hey, you got that?"

Yeah, and sure, there's

social media validation

that I sometimes crave.

But now that we have

a theory of magazine,

theory of radio, theory of poetry

and all this stuff that's

happening in the country,

success to me would mean that somebody

that hears my poetry or the other poets

that I learned that I have in my show

will be like, "Wait, is that allowed?"

That didn't rhyme.

That didn't make any sense.

Or it made sense, but that's it.

Like you just came up

with something like that

out of the blue, yes.

And many people don't

realize they're poets too.

They just haven't tapped into it.

You're an artist, but you

don't know what you're an artist

until somebody tells you,

"Hey, have you considered

"writing a poem about that?"

The way you said it, it

didn't rhyme or anything,

or it might have, you have an accent.

But yeah, sure, I have an accent.

Don't you have an accent?

Listen to everybody. Yes, we all do.

We are all artists, we are born artists.

Every single one of

us learn to communicate

or express themselves through crayons

and temper tantrums and rhythm.

And so when you were

talking about how your friend

dug up a poem that you

wrote when you were 12,

I think that really struck me

because that's something

that happens to a lot of people

that come to art,

whatever their medium is,

later in life, thinking

they're finally going to embrace

their creative side, only to find out

that they are just picking up

where they left off as kids.

That part.

And yeah, and that's

such a precious lesson too.

Right, and yeah, exactly.

I have many hats and

sometimes I don't wanna wear hats.

I don't feel like performing sometimes.

I don't feel like I wanna share anything.

I just wanna be in my

cocoon for a little bit

because there's a lot

of, it's that we go through

a lot of trauma, the

grief that we don't deal with

and a lot of mental issue going on

or mental breakdowns, right?

We don't know how to put it in words.

We don't understand.

There's a lot going on.

So every day that I share poetry,

I'm healing that side of my past.

I'm like, okay, that's, and I still have,

get a little emotional and guess what?

Men are emotional beings too.

We have tear ducts for a reason, right?

And so yeah, go for it.

And when you do that

and you share something

that's so very personal,

the more personal it is,

the more universal it becomes,

meaning the more it's

going to resonate with someone

and you never know who is

going to hear your words

or read your words and

they will hit them right

when they needed something like that

to be through something.

So art has power to do that.

So lastly, where can, I'm gonna have it

in the notes as well,

but I'm just gonna ask

somebody wanted to like,

learn more about you, about your poetry,

about the theory of poetry that you host.

How can they find you?

Right, so I would recommend

they just go to their website.

It's called the theory,

T-H-E-R-I-A entertainment.com.

But also I like you to download theory,

which is free to download,

Theory Radio, T-H-E-R-I-A, I-I-A, sorry.

And you can download

it from your app store.

You can download it for

free on your phone or whatever.

And it's like I said,

independent artists,

there's hardly any commercials.

And it's music that you've

never heard on the radio.

That's fantastic.

Oh, I'm sorry, one more thing.

Yes.

On Friday nights, Friday at 7 p.m.

Pacific Center time,

is the poetry, which is in New York

or in the East Coast, it's 10 p.m.

So yeah, whenever you have a

chance to listen to poetry,

and music, there's always music there.

This was so serendipitous in a way.

You found me and asked me to be part of,

featured in your magazine.

And we had this wonderful conversation,

which I got the time wrong,

because I'm time

zones. That's a mega sense.

It doesn't make sense.

Time zones don't make sense, exactly.

So I'm talking to you from the future.

And as we were talking,

I said, wait a minute,

I need to have you on my show as well.

So that's been amazing.

Thank you very much.

Thank you, looking forward to hearing it.

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