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This podcast is about going to college after military service. The advantages and the challenges of pursuing higher education post military career.
0:00:00
(Speaker 2)
Hello and welcome to the Rebel Vets podcast. This is a podcast that will be centered around the experience of going to college after military service. I'm your host, Derek, a former ammo troop in the US Air Force, and I served for 20 years. Let's start the show. I have with me today a friend of mine, Randy, and he is the newest veteran that I know because
0:00:24
(Speaker 2)
I was just attending his retirement ceremony in February. He's a fellow Air Force veteran. We met in 2017 while we were both stationed at RAF Lake and Heath. He's a crew chief by trade, but now he is retired from the Air Force and a new veteran. So, hey, Randy, how are you doing? I'm good. Ready to do this. All right. So go ahead and tell us about yourself, where you're from and what made you decide to join the Air Force? Yeah, sure. Born
0:00:52
(Speaker 1)
and raised in Hazlett, New Jersey, a small town on the coast in Central Jersey. In the middle of high school, I kind of didn't know what I wanted to do. So I figured I would join the military and signed up for that. Went to boot camp, left July 5th of 2001, graduated boot camp and things changed a bit after 9-11. Well yeah I joined the Air Force because I wanted to travel the world. I wanted to learn a skill that I could use outside of the military. I really wasn't planning to make a career, but here I am 23 years later and retired.
0:01:30
(Speaker 1)
And I also wanted to get an education and I kind of paused that for a while. But after 17 years of not taking a class, I finished my master's degree at the end of my career.
0:01:42
(Speaker 2)
So you were straight out of high school, didn't know what you wanted to do. What attracted you to the Air Force initially?
0:01:49
(Speaker 1)
So yeah, I worked in high school, I worked at a car parts store called Pep Boys. I slung tires.
0:01:56
(Speaker 2)
Oh yeah, dude, I'm a fellow Pep Boys ex-employee as well. Tires and oil changes, right?
0:02:01
(Speaker 1)
Yeah, tires and stuff like that. Not too much of the maintenance, but I sold parts and whatnot. And I always liked working on cars. Soon as I could drive, I bought a car and I enjoyed working on it. And I figured I could turn that into a skill that I could use later on in life,
0:02:16
(Speaker 1)
which turned out to be the Air Force. And when I joined, after taking the ASVAB and looking through all the jobs and stuff, I picked three maintenance jobs, which is kind of funny because most people say that they get their job chosen for them. But I actually did choose being a crew chief.
0:02:33
(Speaker 1)
As crew chief on fighters and heavies and then electrician on aircraft as well, they gave me crew chief.
0:02:42
(Speaker 2)
All right, yeah, so it was kind of a natural choice if you're mechanically inclined to go from wrenching on cars to wrenching on aircraft, a lot more technical.
0:02:51
(Speaker 14)
Yeah.
0:02:52
(Speaker 1)
I mean, I mean, modern, like modern cars are a bit more technical because they're, they have new technology, but yeah, turning wrenches left and right. It's the same whether it's a car or whether it's a plane.
0:03:04
(Speaker 2)
All right. So you want to walk us through a little bit of where you were stationed, what you liked, what you didn't like. I know I tell people that I don't know how you swindled your way into almost a decade in Europe, but I'm super jealous of that.
0:03:20
(Speaker 1)
Yeah, yeah. I had a pretty good career. I never had a really terrible assignment that I didn't wanna be at until the end of my career, but I'll get to that in a minute. But yeah, like I said, I joined in 2001.
0:03:34
(Speaker 1)
My first assignment was actually supposed to be Alaska, but I had swapped that with another student at the time, and he was going to Okinawa Japan so they allowed it so we swapped and I shipped off to Okinawa first time I've been that far away from my family by myself and that far out of the country did two years in Okinawa I was crew chief on F-15C models for two years.
0:04:07
(Speaker 1)
Got my, I guess you could say, got my feet wet in aircraft maintenance, starting off at the bottom as a young airman.
0:04:13
(Speaker 2)
Yeah. So just your first assignment was a tropical paradise, essentially.
0:04:19
(Speaker 1)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You could call it that. Yeah. It's Okinawa, Japan, you know, it's just a little island out there in the middle of the Pacific.
0:04:25
(Speaker 2)
Yeah. I heard the ops tempo can be a little grueling, but the-
0:04:29
(Speaker 1)
Work. Yeah. Work was always steady. I remember working about 31 days in a row, like 12 hour shifts because we were preparing for an exercise, but you know, so be it. But yeah, I did two years there and then I was ready to come back to the States. Got another good assignment. I went to Panama City, Florida, Tyndall Air Force Base.
0:04:53
(Speaker 1)
So I did five years there from 04 to 09. Also another nice place to be stationed because the weather's nice. They have hurricanes every so often, but close to the beach, like a desired location.
0:05:07
(Speaker 1)
It was a training base too, so we weren't deploying. We weren't doing a whole lot of real world stuff, which was kind of the height of the war from 04 to 09.
0:05:19
(Speaker 2)
Oh, yeah. So you kind of traded that heavy duty Pacific island mission to a training base in the States, essentially.
0:05:27
(Speaker 1)
Yeah. Sometimes I look back on it as like, maybe I should have tried to leave Tyndall sooner or maybe I should have tried for somewhere else. But so be it, life happens. I did my time there.
0:05:41
(Speaker 13)
Where did you go from there?
0:05:43
(Speaker 12)
What's up?
0:05:44
(Speaker 2)
Where did you go from there? What's up? Where did you go from there?
0:05:47
(Speaker 1)
Yeah, I volunteered to go to South Korea. I was stationed at Osan Air Base, about 30 kilometers from Seoul, I think maybe a bit more, whichever it is. But yeah, there I moved from F-15s. I went to an A-10 unit, the 25th, the Dragons over there,
0:06:07
(Speaker 1)
learned that jet for a little bit. And then I did an internal move, and I went to an office called MOC, Maintenance Operations Center. You answer radios and phones, and you order different things, like services for the aircraft and whatnot.
0:06:20
(Speaker 11)
Oh, yeah.
0:06:20
(Speaker 2)
You're essentially controlling all the stuff on the flight line. MOC's an important job.
0:06:26
(Speaker 1)
Yeah, it is. It's a busy job.
0:06:28
(Speaker 10)
But yeah.
0:06:29
(Speaker 1)
And what was funny is that during that assignment, my follow-on was supposed to be Alaska again. And I was super excited. I was like, cool, I finally get to go to Alaska. I've been looking forward to that since I joined. Like I said, the first one I switched by choice, but at that time while I was in Korea, the Air Force was shifting around some aircraft.
0:06:50
(Speaker 1)
So they moved F-15s out of Alaska and they moved them to various other bases. So I got an email and said, hey, you can't go to Alaska, but you have three choices. Seymour, which is in one of the Carolinas, Holloman, which is in New Mexico, or Aviano Air Base in Italy.
0:07:13
(Speaker 2)
Yeah, so they kind of said you were gonna go with the-
0:07:14
(Speaker 1)
I was like, no, no, yes, yes for sure.
0:07:17
(Speaker 2)
The New Mexico desert or Italy. Oh man, what a hard decision to make.
0:07:20
(Speaker 1)
Yeah, it was like, it was a real tough choice. I really had to think it through. But, uh, but yeah, um, got my assignment there, shipped off to, uh, shipped off from Korea to Italy, spent four years there, uh, loved it. That was my favorite assignment. I mean, who would not want to be stationed, um, in Northern Italy, right underneath the Alps,
0:07:45
(Speaker 1)
where I learned how to snowboard, traveled a lot.
0:07:48
(Speaker 9)
No kidding.
0:07:49
(Speaker 1)
Towards the end of my time, met my wife.
0:07:52
(Speaker 2)
I always thought you knew how to snowboard prior to your service, but you're telling me you learned how to snowboard in the Alps?
0:07:59
(Speaker 1)
I did, yeah. Actually, yeah. Reason being was that my first winter there, everyone was gone. Every time I wanted to hang out with someone, go to the bar or whatever it was, they were gone. I was like, where are these people going? They're like, we're going snowboarding.
0:08:16
(Speaker 1)
Do you want to go? And I was like, I've never been. So I went, I actually went to a place called Cortina D'Ampezzo, which if you've seen the movie Cliffhanger with Sylvester Stallone, it's actually shot there and they actually had the Olympics in the sixties. So the reason why I bring that up, one, it's beautiful.
0:08:37
(Speaker 1)
Two, it was extremely difficult. It took me eight hours to get back to where I needed to get back down to the car, roughly eight hours to get back to where I needed to get back down to the car, roughly eight hours.
0:08:49
(Speaker 2)
So that my friends, uh, your, your ski lift to the top of the mountain took you a solid, you know, eight hour shift to get back down.
0:08:52
(Speaker 1)
Yeah. Yeah. Cause I had never done it before. And my friends showed me for like five minutes, but it was a good day. There was fresh powder and it was a bluebird day. So it was sunny so it was perfect settings you know for this and I didn't know any better but yeah it was brutal I did a lot of crawling falling
0:09:10
(Speaker 1)
did like a million push-ups it felt like but I felt in love with it and it stuck with me so I still still work to this day that's awesome so after Aviano
0:09:19
(Speaker 2)
you're this is the start of your European tour where did you go next
0:09:23
(Speaker 1)
yeah so well let me back up a little bit. During my time in Abyado, towards the end is where I met my wife, Petra. And for a for a wedding present, the Air Force is like, congratulations on getting married. Now you get to go to Korea again. So about a month, about a month after,
0:09:43
(Speaker 1)
but a month after we got married, I was in Korea. I went to Osan again. And this time I went to a different squadron with F-16s because in Italy I was working F-16s for four years. I had learned them pretty well. And I went to Korea again and this time I got to live off base.
0:10:01
(Speaker 1)
I was in an apartment, two bedroom apartment, actually three bedroom apartment, heated floors, fast internet, you know, it was a terrible time. But I worked a lot, like 14 to 17 hour days were regular at that time because it was a, it was a high ops tempo again.
0:10:20
(Speaker 1)
But yeah, loved it. Petra came out to visit me. She stayed there for a while. She loved it because it was kind of like a vacation for her. She had never been to that part of the world.
0:10:29
(Speaker 2)
Okay. So now I'm kind of seeing a fuller picture here. So the way things used to work in the Air Force a little bit was that if you volunteered for the short tour Korea assignment, you could essentially pick your follow on. And right. so you went from Aviano to Osan, and then they were like, hey, where do you wanna go next? And then what did you select?
0:10:49
(Speaker 1)
Yeah, so I wanted to stay overseas. We both did, and I chose England. It was my first choice and I got it. So after Korea, I flew back to Slovenia. We packed up Petra's car, and we drove from Slovenia all the way to England. Wow, that's a little European road trip. A little European hatchback. We went skiing
0:11:13
(Speaker 1)
along the way in Switzerland and in France and stuff because it was that time of year. Then we arrived in England and we spent the next six years there, lived in a small house in a town called Newmarket. It's famous for horses. We've been doing that for like 300 plus years, 350 or more.
0:11:33
(Speaker 2)
Oh yeah. So, and I always remember, you know, I like Newmarket. It wasn't too far from base and it is definitely an equestrian town. Everything revolves around the horses and the horse track there. But you invited us to go to the races post pandemic
0:11:52
(Speaker 2)
and it felt like we were VIPs at the racetrack because there was nothing there, like there was a smattering of people and us. We got front row seats to the horse race. That was a lot of fun.
0:12:03
(Speaker 1)
But yeah, we spent six years there. That's where we met. I, uh, I w I went back to the F15. I was on, I was in the 493rd when they still had a C and D models. I worked there for a little bit. Then I moved internally and got a unit deployment manager job.
0:12:20
(Speaker 1)
It was like, like a trial agent kind of for the squadron, if to boil it down. And then the last two or three years, actually we extended there. We did three extra years. And the last year I was in a different part of the base called phase where the jets come in and we tear them apart and inspect them and then put them back together and send them out to fly.
0:12:41
(Speaker 1)
Oh yeah. And then, and then after a cumulative total of, uh, what, 14 years, 14 years overseas, the air force basically said, Hey, look, you've had a good run. Uh, you've got two choices, Moody, Georgia, uh, or Mountain home, Idaho. When it came to the choice, I was like, you know, I've never lived out West. It'll be a change. Petra and I can explore the West.
0:13:10
(Speaker 1)
And I think they laughed when I said, I'll take Mountain Home because they sent me. And pretty much soon after I got there, I realized that Mountain Home would be my last assignment.
0:13:27
(Speaker 2)
It just wasn't a fit. Nothing against the Air Force either, but like it is a tough gig, especially the location of the base and the age of the base infrastructure. It's a completely challenging assignment. Most people end up living in Boise,
0:13:42
(Speaker 2)
which is 45 minutes away because it's a nice, it's a, Boise is a nice town. I enjoyed visiting Boise a lot, but this town of Mountain Home and the base of Mountain Home can definitely be a struggle.
0:13:55
(Speaker 8)
Yeah.
0:13:56
(Speaker 1)
I mean, like, like I said, there are people that like it there. They, they hunt, they fish, they camp, dirt bike riding. There's a lot to do if you're into those sort of things. But for us, because we were unsure if we were going to stay in the area, we lived on base. So yeah, 45 minutes is just on the highway. We had to get to the highway. So it was about an hour if we wanted to go to like, I don't know, Chili's or something, or go to a Home Depot. And it just, it just didn't align with us.
0:14:26
(Speaker 1)
Uh, Petra and I wanted to be somewhere where it's a little bit more, uh, peoply and, uh, you know, the water was closer.
0:14:35
(Speaker 2)
Oh, yeah. So, um, one of the things Randy that I've always admired about you is your dedication to education. Um, I'd like you to speak a little bit about that. I did have somebody on earlier this week that was like, you know, we always have that block in our EPR
0:14:51
(Speaker 2)
to fill an education bullet. And he said his love for going to school started there. Is that kind of how it started for you? And what made you want to pursue your bachelor's degree while you were still enlisted?
0:15:04
(Speaker 1)
I mean, education was always something that I wanted to do when I first joined. You know, it was always something in the back of my mind. And I put it off. Well, initially I went to one class. I took a geology class while I was stationed in Okinawa, and I barely passed that. It's actually my lowest grade of all my grades, I got a C.
0:15:24
(Speaker 1)
In between that class and when I started doing school again, the reason why it took 17 years is I was focused elsewhere and I kind of put education off to the side and I wish I hadn't. I wish I had done schooling like as soon as I was able to because because I could have stretched it out, instead of doing it all compact. But yeah, I was 17 years in and it was EPR season. And I was told that I was passed over
0:15:55
(Speaker 1)
for a recommendation for the next rank, because I didn't have any education. The Air Force has the CCAF, which is the Community College of the Air Force. It's an associate's degree. You know, it's what, 64 credits?
0:16:12
(Speaker 1)
And it was just sitting there.
0:16:14
(Speaker 7)
Yeah.
0:16:15
(Speaker 2)
And the thing is, they give you a lot of credits, you know, after you finish tech school.
0:16:20
(Speaker 1)
I mean, I had more than half the credits I needed just from being in the military and getting the credits from like different, like professional education to the military. And yeah, something just clicked. I was like, look, I'm at 17 years and obviously this is an internal conversation to my head. I was like, you know, I've been in 17 years and I'm close to retirement, you know, and I don't want to leave the military with just a piece of paper that said that,
0:16:49
(Speaker 1)
hey, I served, I did some cool things. I wanted something to help bolster my my resume. So I started doing my my associates started that like summertime of 2018. And I was with a different school. I was with the University of Maryland Global Campus because I was overseas in England. So there really wasn't a whole lot of choices,
0:17:18
(Speaker 1)
but UMGC was right for me. Started doing classes and I realized I was like, look, I can still travel. I can still do a whole lot of things and do school at the same time. You know, if you dedicate two hours every, like three or four times a week, you can get through one class easy. And I finished my associate's degree and I took the mandatory classes like math and speech and stuff like that.
0:17:49
(Speaker 1)
It was a daunting task because I was like, oh wow, what did I get myself into? You know, this is hard. This is math that I didn't do in high school that I haven't touched in years. The public speaking one, that one was all right. I've never really had an issue with public speaking. I mean, I stutter here and there, but I'm able to put sentences together.
0:18:09
(Speaker 2)
You can lead a presentation, Randy. Yeah, I can.
0:18:13
(Speaker 1)
Yeah, exactly. I mean, I've done slides before.
0:18:16
(Speaker 2)
Yeah, this is something new to me. I didn't fully appreciate is that 17 years in to your military career is when you decided to start going to school? Yeah. Wow. Okay. So you put your pedal to the metal to get your BA because I feel like you
0:18:33
(Speaker 1)
were so dedicated and always working on school. Yeah. I, um, after the associates degree, after I finished that and I was able to start classes for my bachelor's because UMGC out of the 64 credits that I had they took like 59 with Air Force's associates to bachelor's AUABC program so that was that that knocked off two years off my bachelor's so I just kept going and I don't know if all schools do this, but over the
0:19:06
(Speaker 1)
holidays, UMGC would offer shortened classes. They were like four weeks long. Yeah, the accelerated classes. Yeah, yeah. So I did that. I took one or two, like every chance I could, including the summertime. So I was able to shorten my bachelor's down to like, because I finished my associates, and I want to say in the beginning of 2019, and then I finished my bachelor's in 2020, I forget which year,
0:19:40
(Speaker 1)
but basically it was only about two years. Yeah. And like you said, yeah, I was able to juggle work, school and traveling. I mean, your audience doesn't know, but while we were in England, I mean, my wife and I, we traveled like sometimes once or twice a month and we not just in the local
0:20:01
(Speaker 1)
area, like we were flying somewhere.
0:20:02
(Speaker 2)
I've seen the pictures on their wall. Yeah. Not just in the local area, like we were flying somewhere. I've seen the pictures on their wall. My podcast audience can't appreciate, but there is a collage that sits in Randy's living room that is just covered with pictures of him and his wife traveling all over the world. You guys even did an African safari.
0:20:18
(Speaker 6)
Yeah, yeah.
0:20:19
(Speaker 1)
Yeah, we kind of lived like the Lion King basically. Like that was legit. That was money well spent. Going to Zanzibar and to Tanzania. Yeah, we were on like a private tour just by chance. So what did it mean to get your bachelor's degree to you? I'm sorry?
0:20:39
(Speaker 2)
What did it mean to you to get your bachelor's degree?
0:20:42
(Speaker 1)
Um, like, you know, some people think it's just like a checkbox, you know, like on like a resume or something like that. And if that's how if that's how you think about it, that's all it's going to be to you. But I took my, my bachelor's was my my major was business administration, with a minor in human resource management. And like what that meant to me is that it, yes, it's geared towards the business side, public sector,
0:21:10
(Speaker 1)
but I wanted to learn from like an outside perspective on how to manage a section. Because at the time I was the assistant to a section, but we were managing like 110 people. So I kind of want to learn, like I kind of wanted to learn how to do that in a more professional manner, not just learn by word of mouth or how the last guy did it.
0:21:34
(Speaker 1)
I wanted to learn it from a higher level. So I went after my bachelor's degree. And the human resource management part did help a lot, but that was more geared towards different laws that actually protect employees and stuff. And the Sorens-Axley, or if I'm saying it right, and like civil rights, and there was just different subjects.
0:21:58
(Speaker 1)
And I was interested in it, but the degree meant a lot to me. I felt like, you know, it was a big achievement, you know?
0:22:04
(Speaker 5)
Yeah.
0:22:05
(Speaker 2)
And then it obviously- It's hard to put to words, but yeah. It was a stepping stone. What made you want to pursue a master's?
0:22:12
(Speaker 1)
You know, oftentimes when-
0:22:15
(Speaker 2)
You went through this evolution here of like, hey, step one, associates. Yeah, I got it. Step two, hey, now I'm close enough to finish my bachelor's. And now step three, you were like, Hey, let me get the master's degree.
0:22:28
(Speaker 1)
Well, you know, like when, when I was still in charge of a section of, you know, a hundred plus like young airmen and stuff like that. Um, when they started school, I said, look, if you start now, it's easy because you're young and whatnot. I was like but look once you get on this train of school and you see that it's not that difficult to balance school, work, and life I was like stay on it because it's easier to stay on it and take only one class a semester than it is to take a break because when you take a break it's hard to get back because
0:23:03
(Speaker 1)
that that's kind of kind of what happened to me. Like towards the end of my time in England, I had just taken, I just finished my first master's class. And then we were moving to Idaho. And that short break, that just one semester of like not taking a class, when I came back, I forgot APA, I forgot how to write, I forgot how to do all these things.
0:23:29
(Speaker 2)
Oh yeah, you got to get those footnotes and those citations correct, man.
0:23:33
(Speaker 4)
Yeah.
0:23:34
(Speaker 2)
Some teachers are pretty tough on that.
0:23:37
(Speaker 1)
So prior to the move, I knew that if I had taken a break, I would never go after my master's again. I would just sit back. So I took that first class to taken a break, I would never go after my master's again. I would just sit back. So I took that first class to kind of like push me. It was just an introductory class. You know, it was like pro 600 or something. And I was like, look, if I do this, I am now on the clock.
0:24:01
(Speaker 1)
I have a time limit. Because if I take this class, I have to continue classes within two years. So I was like, I don't know when I'm gonna retire, I don't know what Mountain Home's gonna be like, so I was like, let me take this first one,
0:24:14
(Speaker 1)
because then it kind of started the clock for me.
0:24:16
(Speaker 2)
Yeah, well, it's awesome that you did that, Randy. I mean, you're always, like I said, impressive to me with your dedication to your education and you've definitely earned it. So I gotta move along here a little bit. What's it like being a veteran now that you've retired from the military?
0:24:33
(Speaker 2)
What do you like?
0:24:34
(Speaker 1)
You know, it was the best promotion I ever got. Like, I loved my time in the military. I did 23 years, seven months, and 28 days. And I loved it. I did. I really enjoyed my job. My job as a crew chief fixing jets and then as a supervisor helping out younger airmen where I didn't succeed. But I tell you what, being retired is nice because I don't have to worry about a lot of the things that I was worrying about that were there were stressing me
0:25:06
(Speaker 1)
You know, we moved to Florida moved to the panhandle bought a house beautiful up here being a veteran, you know, it's it's It's comforting. Oh, yeah, because I I think I've got like I think I've gotten over the hardest part you know the pressure of doing all the time and then, and then the being afraid of retiring, like, because you're kind of hate to say it, but you're kind of institutionalized, you know, you know, you've done it for so long.
0:25:33
(Speaker 2)
I was going to use is like, you are institutionalized to the military, to the Air Force.
0:25:37
(Speaker 1)
Yeah. And it's not like, it's like we're brainwashed. It's just you're used to it. You're used to putting on a uniform, doing this. This time of year you have to do a performance report, whatever it was. And when I retired, for the first time in at least 23 years, I had to pick out what I was gonna wear. And that was a struggle.
0:26:01
(Speaker 1)
I had to go buy dress pants and polos and button up shirts and nice shoes.
0:26:07
(Speaker 2)
And you know what, that's in some real clothes. Hey, yeah, least you don't know you've got the pressure of going to a job now. I'm an undergraduate and I'm taking, you know, in person classes. So I got to make sure that, hey, I'm looking all right in front of these, you know, 20 year old college students. Yeah, and not like a hobo
0:26:26
(Speaker 3)
But yeah
0:26:26
(Speaker 2)
I can understand the problem of like you and I looked in our closets every day for you know Two decades and pulled out the same thing to wear every day. Exactly. We can wear whatever we want
0:26:38
(Speaker 1)
Yeah, green was my color, right? Yep
0:26:41
(Speaker 2)
So, um, but yeah, you got any advice for, you know, guys still serving and for, you know, guys about to retire. Yeah. You talked a little bit about that anxiety of retirement and you know, I could definitely feel that in my life. Um, but you got any words of wisdom to pass on before we go?
0:26:59
(Speaker 1)
Uh, yeah. Um, for the, for those still serving, um, the military is going to get what they need to get out of you. Like you joined to serve your country, to do your job. So while they're doing that, you should do something for yourself and for your family. And whether it's pursuing a college degree or learning another trade, like a technical school or something like that, you should definitely use the benefits that you have because you get $4,500 a year
0:27:32
(Speaker 1)
that it gets refilled every year. So that's at least what, four classes at some school, maybe more. So use that time that you have while you're active because you have the time, you have weekends, you have time off work.
0:27:45
(Speaker 1)
Instead of watching TV or Netflix or playing video games, you can still do it, but put aside some time for school and it will benefit you much better than just playing video games or drinking or something. For those who are about to retire, I I would say, start looking into it about two years out, start, uh, do taps early, uh, write down a whole bunch of information from the VA. Um, start making a checklist of all the things that you want to.
0:28:17
(Speaker 1)
That you want to get looked at, uh, for your final claim and, um, start buying some clothes for your next job and start practicing interviews.
0:28:25
(Speaker 2)
That's really good advice. All right, Randy, thanks for coming on the podcast today. I appreciate you talking to me. Yeah, it was great. All right. Thanks. Talking to you, bud. Thank you, everyone, for listening to this podcast. If you want more information about the show or the guest interview, please send an email to rebelvets at gmail.com. And to my veterans out there, thank you for your service and your sacrifice. And to my veterans out there, thank you for your service and your sacrifice.
0:28:48
(Speaker 2)
Until Valhalla.