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TBPN is a live tech talk show hosted by John Coogan and Jordi Hays, streaming weekdays from 11–2 PT on X and YouTube, with full episodes posted to Spotify immediately after airing.
Described by The New York Times as “Silicon Valley’s newest obsession,” TBPN has interviewed Mark Zuckerberg, Sam Altman, Mark Cuban, and Satya Nadella. Diet TBPN delivers the best moments from each episode in under 30 minutes.
Hundred and five days.
Speaker 2:Hundred and five days till Christmas. Get ready. Should we do a little bit of a news roundup? We have Y Combinator Demi Day going on today. We got Gary Tang coming on the show, 11:25.
Speaker 2:Then we're going back to back with five different startups that are in this YC batch doing everything from humanoid robots to satellites to AI agents and credit cards, fintech. We're going all over the place giving you a tour of what's going on in the startup world, which I personally enjoy because it's a good way to sort of ground yourself in what's happening in the in the at the early stage. There's so much discussion about what's going on among the big labs and Apple, obviously, in the news yesterday. It can be all encompassing. But the big the big story
Speaker 1:It's time to talk. What do want future.
Speaker 2:Talk to the future the next
Speaker 1:really what gives you a little bit of insight into what things are gonna look like in a decade. Yeah. Some people don't think Yeah. We're gonna be here
Speaker 2:They don't.
Speaker 1:In a decade.
Speaker 2:They don't. One of them.
Speaker 1:Never black pill. I saw a good post this morning. Josha, Box Yeah. If you think AI will lead to human extinction by 2030 Yeah. I will take that bet.
Speaker 1:If we are still alive by 12/31/2030, you pay me 1,000,000 USD. If not, I will pay you 10,000,000 USD.
Speaker 2:That's a good good good
Speaker 1:Take it. Joke. Yeah. There's a lot of people out there that should take the bet, I think.
Speaker 2:Why? This is there's no no. Yeah. I mean, that that's the whole joke.
Speaker 1:No. I know.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I mean, with a lot of these, the the the arguments break down, a lot of things break down. It's also just so difficult to to put a p doom over time because you because you have to time bound it because, you know, general scientists will say humanity will go extinct eventually. The default number is ten to the one hundred years. That's a Google years from now.
Speaker 2:It's heat death of the universe. The stars collapse. Yeah. Even in a billion years, we're gonna be in trouble because the sun will be larger than the earth will will have expanded to become encompassing the earth. So you gotta get off Earth in the next billion years.
Speaker 2:We're working on that with SpaceX. Elon occasionally delayed. I think he's gonna make it before the next billion years. The AI thing, obviously, much more pressing, all sorts of hacks and agentic capabilities, lots of debate going on, and a wall to wall press tour from a lot of the safety community. Daniel from AI twenty twenty seven was on Joe Rogan.
Speaker 2:It was an interesting listen. He makes a lot of good points. He breaks things down for a broader audience and then Rogan will take him in these very funny directions just being like, yeah, these AI agents are crazy. Let's talk about UFOs. It's actually like the meme.
Speaker 2:They're like, oh, yeah. Like like, have you heard about remote viewing? And and he breaks down remote viewing for him and Daniel has to be like, a little more skeptical of that. But I'm a real believer in x risk. And so I think the net effect is gonna be more awareness about the topic, more discussion about the topic.
Speaker 2:It might just wind up modeling it because people now put x risk in the aliens, UFOs, remote viewing camp as, like, oh, it's like a fun thing that Joe Rogan talks about. It's like becomes more abstract as opposed to being more concrete, but I don't really know. We'll see. What did AI 2027 predict for September 2026? He said this is the stage where AI becomes economically disruptive and starts accelerating AI research itself.
Speaker 2:We got the second part. The labs are all saying we have an automated AI research intern intern. Intern?
Speaker 1:Just an intern.
Speaker 2:Yeah. But that's accelerate accelerating and and the models seem to be getting better at a faster clip. The economically disruptive is the is the capability. Jobs, junior software engineering faces major disruption. People managing and checking AI teams prosper.
Speaker 2:So junior software engineering major disruption. We'll see. We'll see if if if that plays out this month. The job market has been pretty strong. We we map that there's something like 17,000 monthly AI related job losses, but that that that's less than 1% of the 1,700,000 jobs that are lost every month.
Speaker 2:But then, of course, there more than 1,700,000 new jobs and new hires because people change jobs a lot. And so that's often what's going on. Markets and politics. The scenario forecasts a 30% stock market rise during 2026 and a 10,000 person anti AI protest and growing defense contracts.
Speaker 1:That seems that we haven't we haven't had a protest.
Speaker 2:There's been a protest. There was a protest in San Francisco. A safety It was not
Speaker 1:it was not nearly 10,000 people. It
Speaker 2:was like more like under a 100, but dozens. But yeah, I mean, seems like the Joe Rogan experience, the the national news tour. If you're gonna get 10,000 people in the streets, this is this is a key step in the in the chain.
Speaker 1:Well, Sheryl Crow was over on Instagram highlighting
Speaker 2:Yeah. She's worried. AI
Speaker 1:risk and someone was saying, Sherry O'Terry?
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:Is that is that a celebrity or something? Says, take to the streets like they did in Albania, all of us, so we can't be ignored. So there's, I guess, calls for protests.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And there was another there was another risk incident reported by the New York Times today. Anthropics says it blocked possible efforts to build biological weapons. In a new report, the AI startup added that it could not determine if the research was legitimate or nefarious, leading the company to shut down the work. So some scientists were using an anthropic model to work on biological research, and the anthropic team flagged it as, hey.
Speaker 2:This could be in the in the line of a bioweapon. We don't know that that's what this person was trying to do, but we're gonna shut it down because, of course, a lot of the research that goes into building a nuclear power plant is the same that goes into nuclear bomb. And same thing, these are a lot of dual use technologies. Anyway, anything else to say about Jacob Coxen who I think will have much more news? He went on Fox and Anderson Cooper, CNN.
Speaker 2:And I'm sure there will be a much deeper dive at some point. It feels like there's going to be a it is interesting that with the launch of the Post and the Wall Street Journal article, there was not a one hour, three hour podcast. Like, we didn't get our situational awareness. Like, I I Yeah. I want the five hours I don't sit down with someone.
Speaker 1:Based on the based on the interviews Yeah. I it doesn't really feel like he's got an hour of content. Okay. Maybe he maybe he does.
Speaker 2:But it's the best a because you can just tell the story of the Terminator for an hour and like take someone on that journey. And that can actually be in service of updating people about x risk. You can you you you can you can tell the full story of how you think things might play out. There's so many different scenarios that are the bad ending worth avoiding. You can illustrate that.
Speaker 2:I don't know. Yeah. I I
Speaker 1:Yeah. I thought it was
Speaker 2:I think it's coming. I think it's coming. Refresh your podcast player in a week.
Speaker 1:Let's pull up this clip. This is from Fox News last night.
Speaker 3:Industry needs to be regulated as soon as possible.
Speaker 2:Did it do you work with any third parties as far as this whistleblowing and coming out?
Speaker 3:Not at all. This is entirely my own personal concerns about safety and things that I've seen personally in conversations I've had. Be serious that they think that industry
Speaker 2:is A lot of people are keying on to the background here. They're like, wait, this guy just
Speaker 1:He quit yesterday.
Speaker 2:And he already has a podcast studio. People are like, is that someone else's podcast studio? And so I looked at the image, tried to figure out whose podcast studio he's in.
Speaker 1:It's Call Her Daddy. Boom. Yeah. This goes way Way deeper. Deeper.
Speaker 1:Welcome to Call Her Daddy. I have been so excited to meet. I can't believe we've never really met.
Speaker 3:Surprise. There's a chance we could all die. Like, that that is coming soon.
Speaker 1:You for spending the time with me. I do expect it at some point as they dig in here based on how much
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Sort of it it seems like there's very much a significant push
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:From the overarching AI safety community
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:To make this week all about Yeah.
Speaker 2:This a little bit on on Anderson Cooper saying that he, like, worked with a bunch of friends. And where's the line between, like, friends and professional, like, you know, we're all a big family here. We're all friends. So they're like, the answer could be muddled. I don't know.
Speaker 2:I'm sure we'll find out more soon. Anyway, you think he's gonna launch a NeoLab? Think he's gonna drop a coin? Book? Movie?
Speaker 2:There's gonna be something. You know, the story is not over. Story is not over. There's gonna be something. Maybe he launches a software as a service company
Speaker 1:It's crazy.
Speaker 2:And then his spoon gets better. I'm trying to transition here.
Speaker 1:No. It's somebody just said Sebastian says he's a D cell with a crazy P doom. That's a quote from Mountain Head
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1:Remember? Which is now out maybe a year ago. I remember you watched it. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Maybe it
Speaker 2:But that was a that was sort of a niche film. It didn't it didn't go as big as I I Yeah.
Speaker 1:I didn't think it was a good film
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:But it had some funny moments.
Speaker 2:And it and it was about like an AI apocalypse. Right? They go to like a
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it was around all about
Speaker 2:You go to a bunkie? Yeah. Is there a bunkie?
Speaker 1:There's a bunkie.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Okay. Maybe I got a
Speaker 2:head now.
Speaker 1:It's all about the the doom scenario was around deep fakes.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1:Humanity thinking that there
Speaker 2:was like Something crazy going on.
Speaker 1:Conflicts happening which would
Speaker 2:create I actual I I don't know that I'm super, like, worried about that particular scenario, but you could take me on that journey for twenty minutes in a long winded answer on a Yeah. Podcast, and I would be I would be entertained. I think there I think that there is material there. And I did see genuinely a lot of, like, sort of AI safety skeptics just asking for more storytelling around how things go bad. It's so easy to condense a PDOM down to a single number, but I think people like stories.
Speaker 2:They want something that actually illustrates the chain of events that lead to the bad scenario as opposed to these vague things where it's like, I have a lot of authority. I have a lot of insight and 5% or 20%. That that obviously I mean, it does go viral, but clearly there were people that had demand for more of a story that they could track and they could and they could falsify individual. Keith yesterday was was was struggling with this where it was like, it's hard to falsify someone saying 10% in the next ten years. But it's it's easier to falsify about like, well, the the nuclear weapons will be fired at this time and this is what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2:This is how
Speaker 1:they get Also, the the job loss stuff.
Speaker 2:Totally. Totally. Anyway, we'll do a quick roundup of the rest of the news. Should we talk about Nvidia? Should we talk about Bending Spoons?
Speaker 2:What's interesting to you, Jordy?
Speaker 1:Let's start with Bending Spoons. Bending Spoons acquires Miro
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:For 1,790,000,000. Yes. Paul Bonnet over a GP over 20 BC Mhmm. Says, but who gets the money? My usual breakdown.
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:So this is 89% below the last round and at less than less than three times
Speaker 2:Woah. Miro was valued at $17,500,000,000? Yeah. That's really high. Wow.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So anyways, I you know, we actually don't need to dive through all this stuff. Lot, you know, investors are getting
Speaker 2:Yes. But but I am interested in the Bending Spoons strategy because Airtable, Miro Miro felt like it felt like modern collaborative slides and like mood boards. And then Airtable felt like the modern, you know, Excel sheet. And it feels like they're trying to maybe piece together a bundle. But I don't know if that's actually how Bending Spoons thinks about this.
Speaker 2:It feels like in the past, they've been very interested in just it's a known brand with a strong business that they can run efficiently and it stands alone. But for the first time, I'm seeing glimpses of something that could be like a portfolio or a roll up where if you have Airtable, you get Miro for free or vice versa, and there's cross selling options. Because if you like these more modern tools, like a like a Miro, like an Airtable, I've seen both of these deployed in the same startup. And the startup, there's always this tension between, hey, we're paying $20 a seat for this, $20 a seat for that, or we could just do $15 Yeah. For Google and we get all of them.
Speaker 2:So you actually wind up with the portfolio and I I don't know. Maybe the sum is greater than its parts. What do you think?
Speaker 1:Potentially. Mhmm. But but yeah. It was very it's just insane to me that this was a $17,000,000,000 company just just a little bit ago. And ultimately, this is why I have a lot of fear around like some of these like later stage or even like later stage rounds that are happening right now True.
Speaker 1:Because they're clearly there's certain teams that are fantastic
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:Great categories, great
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:On the path to being great businesses. Mhmm. And yet, many of them feel so far from being on that path to being priced at a 100 or
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:Trillion or or what whatever the number is. Mhmm. And we're gonna see this exact same thing play out right now where there's companies that are around this valuation now that Mhmm. That three years from now will sell at a 90% discount.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I'd be interested to see if like have the metrics at Miro changed in the age of AI? Because you could imagine that people, if they need a collaborative mood board or slide deck, they can vibe code their own tool, but it's still a little bit of a hassle to deploy that and maintain it even if you can clone it. So SaaS apocalypse fully avert fully averted by the sales forces of the world, and the revenue decline never showed up in the SaaS companies. And so the SaaS apocalypse was was was canceled.
Speaker 2:But was there a micro SaaS apocalypse that did show up at this level and that's why we're seeing these deals? I don't know. You think this is all just like a promotion for David Senra's new episode with Luca Ferrari? Cause David Senra says, Perfect timing. I have an episode with Luca Ferrari coming out this Sunday.
Speaker 2:Is that okay? He's just like, Thank you.
Speaker 1:You for lining up this deal
Speaker 2:Promise.
Speaker 1:With you coming on my podcast. Promise. No. Jason says, three x paying three x ARR at 600,000,000 of ARR over 750 customers paying over a $100,000 a year. Cash flow positive, man.
Speaker 1:But Jamie Quint says multiple years of 5% ARR growth will do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah. If you're not if you're not accelerate. I mean, the the entire multiple is based on growth. So Yeah. There's not gonna be a, you know, a significant acceleration.
Speaker 1:You gotta be this point.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's true.
Speaker 1:So Another acquisition news. Oh, Tailwind. Tailwind got acquired by Shopify. That's very cool. Remember if you remember, I think Tailwind
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Was accelerating AI software development but wasn't directly a beneficiary.
Speaker 2:And didn't they get like sort of
Speaker 1:A bunch of people in the industry I think Right?
Speaker 2:Wasn't Logan? I think Yeah.
Speaker 1:Was a big part of it.
Speaker 2:I am going to provide a grant to keep these guys going. I thought that was awesome. That was Yeah. Like such a cool community moment. And interesting that they're they now, like, found a proper landing
Speaker 1:spot Yeah.
Speaker 2:Which is cool. Yeah. Very optimistic scenario.
Speaker 1:We we had a little bit of iPhone duo coverage yesterday. Yeah. We didn't see the crease.
Speaker 2:We had a key question in the chat from Sami Analysis. They asked, what do you guys think about the crease? I couldn't see it in any of those Apple renders. Apple seemed to get really good with the lighting placement to not show up the crease. True.
Speaker 2:My accurate take, I don't care about this. That is not enough of a crease do matter at all. Yeah. Especially if this is a mode where you're, using two apps, you don't care about the middle at all. I have seen guys on football days off four TVs next to each other with full bezels.
Speaker 2:Like, you can see the line going down the center of the and they just don't care. So, like, this is not a big deal. Now the interesting thing is, like, will it be an issue if you're, like, watching a movie on this thing on a plane? I think maybe, but I think the crease will probably completely disappear when you're actually locked in on a on a film. But I think the bigger thing is the aspect ratio is kinda weird for modern content because we have films, which are widescreen, and YouTube videos, which are 16 by nine, and those will show black bars at the at the top and the bottom, or you could zoom in and then you're cropping the sides.
Speaker 2:Not a great experience. Some of the demos some of the demo video that Apple showed was super cool because it was shot in this, like, four three. So maybe you go back and you get some four three content from, like, the seventies and eighties, and that displays really well because you don't need to do the the pan and scan thing anymore. But and then the vertical content will also look like bars on the side like you're on an iPad. So I wonder if that will be annoying.
Speaker 2:It'll probably melt into the background. I think people will still like it. I'm very interested in the mix. Like, what percent, like, will this be as popular as the iPhone Pro has been relative to the iPhone? Will this be 10% of overall phone sales from this cycle?
Speaker 2:Will it be 1% or 30%? It's the the fact that it's different, the fact that it's a way to stand out, it's their most foldable phone ever.
Speaker 1:Yeah. This was a this was a comment from
Speaker 2:Thank you to the listener.
Speaker 1:Prolific Spotify The Spotify. Comedian, Dave. He commented yesterday, it's their most foldable iPhone yet.
Speaker 2:It is.
Speaker 1:And it really is. So really, it's like when they introduce the iPhone Duo two Mhmm. Which will
Speaker 2:Quattro?
Speaker 1:I think they're gonna have to to multiply them and and get the iPhone Quattro. Yeah. Then they'll say, it's our most foldable iPhone yet. It has four
Speaker 2:it's just a full accordion like a fan that just fans out. It screens
Speaker 1:Yeah. The the fan, the iPhone fan Yeah. It's just like this, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah. 20 different folds. What was funny is I'm gonna put you on blast here a little bit as you come in and you're like, yeah. Like, this just makes me want an iPhone 18 pro. And you were laying it out and you were like, it's the best iPhone yet.
Speaker 2:They it's just a great phone. They they made it thinner, lighter, faster, better battery life. And I was like, this is your joke. You fell for your own joke. But it is sort of like this it could be for some people like an anti Halo phone.
Speaker 2:For some people, it's gonna be the Halo where they're like, I wanted something different. I want something bigger. I want the best thing. I got that. For other people, they're gonna be like, oh, thank God.
Speaker 2:Don't have to deal with the with the foldable thing. Just give me the cheaper, you know, $2,000 iPhone Pro Max 18 plus, you know, all these crazy things.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Blake Scholl Yeah. Jumped in and said when Steve Jobs introduced the iPad, he went to great care to explain why such a product category should exist to begin with. Apple seems to have made a pretty great version of a foldable phone without saying why foldable phones deserve to exist. I think it would be somewhat uncomfortable for them to explain why exactly you you need a bigger screen.
Speaker 1:It's like, hey, you know, we know some of you guys are spending hours and hours and hours a day.
Speaker 2:This is such a okay. Continue. Just finish or you mean so I can rebut?
Speaker 1:No. Why don't you jump in, John?
Speaker 2:I just think that there is there's cool stuff to do on your phone that is actually less brain rotty when you're on a bigger screen.
Speaker 1:Like games on your phone. Like, which you No. You would from times to times from times
Speaker 2:to I would never watch Lawrence of Arabia on this screen, but you give me a screen with twice as much real estate, I'm going Lawrence of Arabia. I'm going Citizen Kane. Yeah. I'm I'm No.
Speaker 1:And and and I I agree that that is the use case. Yeah. But I think it's somewhat uncomfortable because of the overarching sort of discussion around phone addiction and screen time and all this stuff. Yeah. It's bad for kids.
Speaker 1:It's probably not great for And for Apple to come out is like, you know, we know that you're spending hours and hours every day, you know, getting mindless entertainment from our devices. And so we get we get we're giving you a bigger screen.
Speaker 2:I I don't think Apple needs to touch that. I think that, like, the things that they promote on their phone are good. Like, you can answer your emails. You can connect with your friends. You can text them.
Speaker 2:You can watch educational videos. There's a positive flip to everything that's like a negative example. Yeah. There's some game that's brain rotty, but there's also some game that's really fun that you remember. You talk about Rust and Halo.
Speaker 2:Like, these are these are core memories for a lot of people. It's a positive thing. Yep. So being able to do more of that. Plus, it's just like you don't know when you're it's very hard to plan ahead for like, oh, I'm gonna get caught with an extra hour waiting at the DMV or I'm gonna wait on a plane or I'm gonna have some downtime and I'm gonna wanna actually like enjoy something more thoroughly.
Speaker 2:If you have the Duo, it's your daily driver. It's always on you. You didn't need to think, oh, I should've break an iPad because I'm gonna be stuck waiting this line for twenty minutes. So I wanna watch something nicely on a really big screen. You got the Duo in your pocket, you're good to go.
Speaker 1:I'm not sold.
Speaker 2:Get a
Speaker 1:sales job. I'm not sold, but get get this guy a job at the Apple store.
Speaker 2:Tennis. Tennis. Tennis. There was a match that ended at 03:30AM. And people are not happy about it.
Speaker 2:The knee the the Wall Street Journal's headline is no. No. No. No. No.
Speaker 2:No. No. There's nothing cool about a tennis match that finishes at 03:33AM. It's ridiculous. Sorry, but tennis at 03:33AM isn't cool.
Speaker 2:It's ridiculous. What what happened? Bill Acquires loved it. He said one of the greatest tennis matches ever, and very few got to see it live. This needs to be fixed now.
Speaker 2:It's unfair to the players, fans, and sponsors in the sports. What is the actual proposal? What do they wanna change? Start the game earlier or cut it off entirely if it keeps going?
Speaker 1:Yeah. So I'm I'm trying to figure out why why this ever was is or was a thing. I hopefully, the journal article can can break it down. But I watched a little bit of this game.
Speaker 2:You
Speaker 1:did. I went to bed. It was I think I went went to bed. It was actually a later night. I went to bed around eleven.
Speaker 1:But the game was going well past three.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Ben Shelton, who actually won the match, it was an upset, was hitting a 146 mile an hour serves at at Yeah. At Carlos. Carlos, at one point, was shooing off the the the camera crew because they were filming him and he was throw like, actively, like, gonna throw up. He did he was, like, pushing it so hard that he was gonna throw up into into a towel. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Really really crazy. Wall Street Journal says, sometimes this glorious sport can't get out of its own way. Everyone is expected to pretend night tennis is a fabulous experience. We're supposed to deploy the word epic and act like we didn't brush our teeth and hit the hay after Felton took the second set. I do actually have a family member that did exactly that, like Yeah.
Speaker 1:Blow out second set. Yep. They were like, alright.
Speaker 2:Like We're good.
Speaker 1:We're good. And it ended up being this incredible game.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:The US Open has long cultivated the idea that the wee hours are part of its identity as much of as much a part of the formula as the $23 honeydeuce cocktails and the plume of cannabis smoke wafting in from a nearby park. Even ESPN feigns enthusiasm for the Opry Midnight when it would never schedule a tentpole like the Iron Bowl for such an uncommon hour. It's a city that never sleeps. Why should tennis? Okay.
Speaker 1:How many 03:30AM finishes have you attended at Yankee Stadium? I appreciate the romance. New York remains a restless town where you can get a steak dinner and a tattoo on your back long after quitting time. The subway is 247 Theater. You can crawl out of a bar at dawn.
Speaker 1:There are amateur bike races that start in the dark at 05:45AM. It's zany. But Alcaraz versus Shelton isn't a corned beef sandwich at an all night diner. This sounds like AI slob. It's a marquee showcase for a sport.
Speaker 1:I
Speaker 2:I I've been reading this and I think I think it's just like fun turns
Speaker 1:of reasons. No. It's it's good. It's a marquee showcase for a sport that needs every bit of US attention it can get and it got buried like a Tom Snyder sit down with Buddy Hackett. Even people in Hawaii were like this Alcra Shelton match is running pretty late.
Speaker 1:This isn't a routine to celebrate. Okay. I'm sorry. A lot of
Speaker 2:a lot
Speaker 1:of a lot of we're gonna have to run this through Pangram. Parallelism. Yeah. This isn't a to celebrate. Parallelism.
Speaker 1:This is when someone needs to step in and scream, what are we doing?
Speaker 2:You know, I found two new AI phrases. I don't remember both of them. One of them is, in our increasingly online world, when someone's writing about, online culture or something that happened on the Internet or like with the boom of social media. Like, there's two phrases that were popularized because journalists who needed to write about things that happened online kept using this phrase. That got baked into the LLM and then now it's getting spit back Yeah.
Speaker 2:At people. And so a lot of people are turning away from the phrase in our increasingly online world. So avoid that one too, I guess.
Speaker 1:Sasha Shane says nighttime, you wouldn't understand that. It's a New York thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It's funny because I feel like you can maintain the the mystique of the the US Open by just having games wrap up around midnight. Mhmm. Like, it's still very much nighttime. Totally.
Speaker 1:Like, it's dark out. Yeah. Know? Mhmm. People are people are sleeping.
Speaker 1:Anyways, definitely seems just incredibly rough and and unfair to the to the players. Mhmm. This has happened in in UFC a few times where the the in order to hit a US time zone for the pay per view Mhmm. The actual fighters have to be fighting at the equivalent of like 6AM. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1:Which is just imagine waking imagine one going to sleep
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:At like ten knowing that you have to wake up and get in a death match at 6AM. Sounds pretty rough. The alternative is just to stay up and like, you know Yeah. Just try to try to be Because
Speaker 2:it starts at six. So you gotta warmed up.
Speaker 1:Like the whole event is starting at probably midnight,
Speaker 2:but Well, then I guess the move would probably be just don't adjust for jet lag. Like, get there on your schedule and just treat it like it's a 6PM fight for whatever your local time zone is, I suppose. I don't know. What do you think about this? Chairman, Burr Bernanke.
Speaker 2:You can eat the same thing for breakfast every single day for like twenty years in a row and no one will say anything. It's normal. You eat the same thing for dinner for a month straight and people call you psychotic. It's I fine to eat the same dinner every night for a month.
Speaker 1:What's wrong with being a psycho? A psycho. I used to I used to do Yeah. Wrong. Chicken rice.
Speaker 2:Chicken and rice.
Speaker 1:Every night. Yeah. For months, for years.
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