Veteran's Affairs Plus W/ David L. Washington

Dave Washington hosts "Veterans Affairs Plus" on 91.5 Jazz and More, where he discusses local events, including the induction of former Fire Chief Eugene Campbell and himself into the Carl Holmes Executive Development Institute's Virtual Wall of Honor. Virginia Valentine, a civil engineer turned city and county manager, shares her journey from Florida to Las Vegas, her work in flood control, and her transition to government. Marcus Allen, a local businessman and barber, talks about his barber school and community initiatives, including the One Love Motorcycle Club and Car Club, which focuses on youth engagement and community service. Both guests emphasize the importance of humility, continuous learning, and community involvement.

What is Veteran's Affairs Plus W/ David L. Washington?

Veteran's Affairs Plus discusses the issues that veterans in Las Vegas deal with on a daily basis. Your host, David L. Washington connects listeners with relevant community resources and information that they need to help veterans or themselves.

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Dave Washington 0:50
great day, Las Vegas, great day. This is Veterans Affairs Plus on 91.5 jazz and more. I'm Dave Washington, your host, and I am pleased to announce that I have the young lady who promoted me. She suggested I become her fire chief for the city of Las Vegas. So we'll be speaking with Virginia Valentine here shortly. In the meantime, I want to say that in the month of June, I try to each month at Virginia, I try to announce birthdays, and only one I can recall at this point is my grandson KJ, and then it's me and Marsha's 54th wedding anniversary on june 10, so lots going on in June, and I once again want to encourage people who didn't vote to vote, we know we got the midterms, and as our ancestor Dr. Ruby Duncan said we're not trying to tell you who to vote for, but please go vote, your vote counts, believe that or not. And then I want to acknowledge and express appreciation to mr. and mrs. Rod O'Neill. They hosted a luncheon at their home a couple weeks ago for the Ducks, that's the Sunday golf group that I'm with, and we had a great time, and in fact, I'm trying to get them on as a guest, particularly his wife, because she's an attorney, and she has a great story to tell our audience. And then, by the time this airs, we will be done with the 35th year of the Carl Holmes Executive Development Institute, where I passed. For the past 10 years, I served as president, retired Fire Chief Eugene Campbell, who was one of our deputies, as you may recall, Virginia with Las Vegas Fire and Rescue. He is now the new president, and I will also be going in. We have a virtual wall of honor that I have been nominated, and will be on the wall in virtual. So, thanks so much. Congratulations. Thank you so very much. I appreciate that, and in fact, I'll be going with a couple of ancestors, Chief Herschel Claydy out of LA County, and William Spike Jones out of St. Louis, Missouri. Those are guys who were great mentors and great instructors at the institute. They are ancestors now, and then finally another one that I'll actually be going in with who is still with us today, and that's Chief Sherman George out of St. Louis, Missouri Hill. He and I will have some conversation, and grateful once again to be inducted into the Carl Holmes Executive Development Virtual Hall of Honor. And again, it's not fame, because it's not about being famous, it's about those who've made major contributions to the institute. So, with that, I would like to introduce to some again the young lady who said he's going to be our fire chief and put me before the council for ratification. So, with that, Miss Virginia Valentine, how you doing?

Virginia Valentine 3:40
I'm good, Chief. I'm really excited about talking to you today. So, happy anniversary to you. Happy birthday to KJ. And again, congratulations. It sounds like you're in very distinguished company there.

Dave Washington 3:51
Oh, yes, some, some very, very good, good folks. And I'm pleased that the board saw fit to bring me in, and this is a third induction of former and students officers, because I was a student there as well, Gene and I, when I went in, I was a battalion chief of training, and I think Gene, Gene was still a firefighter, but we both did well coming through that program. So, Virginia, tell us a little bit about you as a person, where you from? How long you been in Las Vegas? I think. Sure,

Virginia Valentine 4:24
yeah. I was was born in Florida, and at Gainesville, Florida, at the University of Florida, where my parents were students. And then I lived in several different places in Florida, and we then moved to Washington, DC, so I lived in Washington DC for a year, and then we moved to Idaho, and that's where I finished high school and went to college.

Dave Washington 4:52
Now, in fact, Wes, Wes asked me about, and he actually looked it up real quick, I say her actual. Discipline educationally was engineer. What type of engineer were you?

Virginia Valentine 5:04
I have a degree in civil engineering from the University of Idaho. So I worked primarily in water and water resources, a little bit of everything a civil engineer does. That's your basic garden variety engineer, so it's just about anything that you see when you drive around, it's roads, airports, water, wastewater treatment systems, flood control. As you know, I worked with flood control district for a number of years. So it's the kind of everyday things that make the built environment around us safe.

Dave Washington 5:34
You know what that actually speaks well to a person with that discipline to be come a city county manager, you gotta watch it, does right, it

Virginia Valentine 5:46
does, because basically what civil engineers do, or design those kind of facilities, infrastructure that make a place like Las Vegas livable,

Dave Washington 5:53
you know? I tell people all the time, one of the things that, and casting no shade on anyone, but I just don't. Well, I know they didn't realize or even think that Los Wiggles will grow as it has, and I tell visitors that one thing that I don't think we did very well was lay out the highways, because

Virginia Valentine 6:14
you know, and I think that's probably part of just growing so fast. Yes, so you know, as I'm glad that somebody had the foresight to create a beltway before we had as much development as we do today, but it's really, really a hard thing. It's always been a hard thing in Las Vegas to keep the infrastructure up with growth.

Dave Washington 6:33
Yeah, and you know, as you speak of that, when I think about it now, because you know, going down to MB Anderson in Houston for my quarterly medical evaluations, they don't have the mountains that we have, because when I think about 215 not going totally around, well, there was no way to do that, because I know they're in Houston, they got 16, and they also have Beltway eight that goes completely around the city, and you could drop off and go into other little towns, but anyway, so when you decided to come to Vegas? You came as what

Virginia Valentine 7:04
I came in 1981 had a job here with a civil engineering company, and then I've been here ever since.

Dave Washington 7:14
So to get into government, you obviously were recruited. Can you share that? Is it something that you can share with the public? How that came about, because I think it's important. Because,

Virginia Valentine 7:26
yeah, it didn't - it didn't happen directly. So, I was working, of course, some of the biggest, I will say, buyers or hires of consulting engineering are cities, counties, states, departments of Aviation and the like, and so I was in Las Vegas, and I was doing a lot of water, wastewater, and flood control work, and through the work that we did in flood control for for the county and the city, got to know some of the elected officials there, so after some horrific floods in 83 and 84 and loss of life and property. The legislature passed a bill to provide a little bit of money for one year to create a master plan for flood control facilities, and to hire a chief engineer and general manager to oversee that work. So the county went to hire somebody, they didn't get a lot of applications. You can imagine not a lot of people want to give up their careers for a job that might just last a year,

Dave Washington 8:27
right.

Virginia Valentine 8:28
And so then eventually they went to consulting firms and said, "Will you submit a proposal to provide those services? And my firm at the time, Black and Beach, did submit a proposal, and we were one of three that were shortlisted, and they interviewed us, and I really didn't think at that time, at just barely 29 years old, and being a female, that they would pick me, but they did, and at that time the city and the county were having some disagreements about building expanding one treatment plan or expanding two treatment plants, and consequently, through a lot of probably politics, I left the engineering firm to take that job. I worked there for a year. A ballot question passed in 1986 for permanent funding for the flood control district. I was ready to go back to my consulting engineering job and the Flood Control Board said, 'Hey, why don't you stay? And so I did, and that started my career in government.

Dave Washington 9:28
Okay, interesting. So, over the past 20 years, you've had several different government type positions, so please enlighten our listening audience. Please.

Virginia Valentine 9:39
Sure. So, I from flood control after got the master plan completed and started implementing the program, and you may be familiar with, we started an advanced flood warning system, which is really a great tool. We have now also some regulations for controlling runoff and mitigating the effects of. Development, not to mention master plan, with hundreds of millions of dollars of flood control facilities, and a federal project on Tropicana Flamingo washes with the US Army Corps of Engineers. So, once that was rolling, a lot of creative work got done there. I went back to consulting engineering and worked on a number of projects there, and then there became a vacancy at the City of Las Vegas for city manager, and there was a recruiting firm hired, and I was recruited, encouraged to apply by some people on the city council. I applied, and I was selected as the city manager. So that at that point I kind of went well, went back to UNLV and got a degree in public administration to sort of help fill in some of the blanks between what I knew about government from my experience as an engineer, both on the inside and the outside, and working at the Clark County Regional flood control district, so at that point became the city manager, and that's where I met you, and was fortunate enough to have you be our fire chief.

Dave Washington 11:08
Yes, and I thank you very much. You know one thing, as we wind up Virginia, I want to ask you to share with our public, what are some of the qualities you think are important, because you certainly have them, and I always tell people a lot of things are done through relationship. For example, I know, and I've told you this before, and I tell Mark, I love you, man. Mark say, man, we was praying for you to become that you be selected as our fire chief, because when you came as an acting fire chief, setting in for Mario, you didn't come in here like you own the place. You spoke to us, some others who acted. They just came in like, look at all this brass I got on, and come on, you know you're acting, you're not even a director, you idiot. But anyway, in some closing remarks, if you would do that, just some qualities you think are important for a leader to

Dave Washington 12:00
have.

Virginia Valentine 12:00
Well, I'm so you're sort of touching on humility, but I think maybe, maybe the lesson there, at least for me, was there a whole lot of people in a room who knew a whole lot more than I did. The only way I was going to learn that was to be a good listener, to respect and value what other people know, also to respect and value that they're going to have different perspectives, and even though it's different, that's really additive, I think, to a leader's experience, and they have to always appreciate getting that feedback, even when it's not really maybe the way they see things. So, I think, you know, leaders are they defend their troops when they need to, you know, they're not shy about pointing out ways to improve, and I think they can. You got to be willing to take a little criticism now and then, and I think one of the things, you know, you'll remember some of those tests we did, those management class tests, absolutely. I think being a lifelong learner is also important to you,

Dave Washington 13:00
particularly

Virginia Valentine 13:00
now, when I look around at the way the world is changing so fast, you have to be really open to new ideas and learning about new things.

Dave Washington 13:08
Absolutely. All right, ladies and gentlemen, this is Veterans Affairs Plus on 91.5 jazz and more. Wes has given me that wrap it up look. So, Virginia, I appreciate you, young lady, for coming on and sharing some thoughts with our listening audience, and again, this is Veterans Affairs Plus with Virginia Valentine, former city manager, county manager, and now she's with what's your group again, Virginia

Virginia Valentine 13:34
Nevada Resort Association.

Dave Washington 13:36
All right, we appreciate, I'm gonna get you back on, because you know, I should have known that you and I would have a lot to talk about, but I definitely want to give you and have our listening artist get an opportunity to learn what you can share with us about the current organization that you're with. So appreciate you

Virginia Valentine 13:53
happy to do that. Thanks, Chief. All

Dave Washington 13:54
right, bye bye once again, Las Vegas, this is Veterans Affairs Plus on 91.5 jazz and more on the show. Now we have a local businessman, I've known his mom, his dad, and you know his entire family, and great to have him on the show. I think it's important to for people to know the success that one can have if they dedicate themselves and have the discipline, because businesses being a business person is no joke. And I say this as one who've owned several different businesses, some fail, but also know that I had the backing of the government, I had that check coming in, Marcus, every two weeks. So it's indeed a pleasure to have you here, young man. How you doing?

Marcus Allen 14:41
Thank you. I'm blessed. I'm blessed. Thank you for having me. For sure.

Dave Washington 14:44
So, Marcus, give us the listening public a little bit of background on you. Who is Marcus? Where you been born and raised in school and all that good stuff?

Marcus Allen 14:53
Yeah, well, I was born right here in Laos Page, Nevada, 54 years, almost 55 years ago. Um, in 1970 so my father is actually Pastor Sam Carroll, and my mother, late Barbara Allen, they both was actually born right here in Las Vegas, Nevada, too. So we never did migrate here, we actually homegrown, right, right here, and

Dave Washington 15:14
that's pretty unusual, man, because see, people think that I'm a Las Vegas born, no, I'm from Dale, High Louisiana. I came here when I was three and a half, and there's a number of others to include my wife, I think Marsha was like 14, but you're a rarity.

Marcus Allen 15:29
Yeah,

Dave Washington 15:30
you know, all of our four children were born in Las Vegas, but there are some people who were like, 'You're born here, and there's not a whole lot. Most people have migrated, like, yes,

Marcus Allen 15:41
and actually, for my father to be as his age, actually was born here,

Dave Washington 15:45
right?

Marcus Allen 15:45
That's, that's, that's, that's, that's something serious, right there. Yeah,

Dave Washington 15:47
because the red was 8081, yeah, 81

Marcus Allen 15:50
yes, yes, sir, 81

Dave Washington 15:52
Let's be 81 yeah, less men, ain't no doubt, yeah. So, where'd you go to high school? Well, elementary, mid, and

Marcus Allen 16:00
well, I went to Rose Warren when elementary because I stayed in the Gerson Park, and mr. Goins was actually my principal, like mr. Goins, yeah, and he actually gave me a couple paddles too. I remember them paddles, so therefore I went to Cashman Junior High School, and then I went to like several different high schools because I kept getting kicked out of the high school, so I went to Chaparral, El Dorado, Clark, Sunset, and Ballet.

Dave Washington 16:26
You know, I went to.. I went to only because we were like, I tell people, we were like, no masks. When my mother and father got divorced, you know, keeping a place was hard. So we moved around. We.. I went to a number of different middle schools, junior high schools, they called him at the time, but as far as high school, I went to Clark, and he went to Clark, and I got kicked out in my junior year for being truant from English, and then after the English was drafting, I said, well, if I'm gonna miss English, I might as well miss the second one too. Brian Cram, he was the dean of Students, he called my mom and I to the office. He said he's got a job. I was busboy at Caesars Palace. He said he don't want to work, we're kicking him out. My mother didn't know what to do, so she just signed off on it. But anyway, that my class graduated in June of 1970 I got my GED in October 1970

Marcus Allen 17:19
Wow,

Dave Washington 17:19
so you are a businessman, talk to our listening audience about what you do and why you do.

Marcus Allen 17:24
Well, I'm actually a businessman, I'm a barber. I've been a barber for going on 30 years. I didn't have my own barbershop for over 20, going on 22 years now, and I didn't have my I have my own barber school that's going on 11 years now, so it's a wonderful thing. It's something that had changed my life, was barbering, you know. It gave me something to actually live for, because the path I was headed down was a terrible street, terrible path, terrible road I was going down. Barbara gave me something more, so to look for, that I didn't have to run the streets no more, right? And depend on the streets, you know. And it's like you help bless others to look better and feel better, you know. I'm saying it'll make you feel better once that person feel better. Energy pass on,

Dave Washington 18:06
that's right. So,

Marcus Allen 18:07
it can be passed on through a haircut,

Dave Washington 18:09
you know what? And I believe what you're saying, in terms of you obviously know. And, and I was listening to a show today, and this some person called and said, Well, how do you know what your purpose is. They said you don't have to ask people what your purpose is. They will come to you, and they will.. there's things that you do, and as you continue to.. oh, you discover what your purpose is, without asking anyone, because they study, man. People ask me, why do you do what you do? Because it's in my genes, for example. We just.. in fact, I gave out the last check today for my 75th birthday. We had a party, and it was too nice. And why did I do too nice, Marcus? I did two nights because the place would only hold 100 if I had tried to raise this money. I wanted to raise anywhere from three to 5000 per group, and we actually raised 4550 per the three groups. That's correct. And I'm gonna tell you something. Had I did it one night in this place, I would ask my close friends, I need 300 from me. They say, are you out of your mind? So, as a consequence, doing it two nights, $50 for Friday night, and I call them the super scenes. These folks, 7580 years

Marcus Allen 19:17
old.

Dave Washington 19:18
Yeah, and then on Friday night, a Saturday night, brother, we had it was $100 and we had live entertainment, so it worked out well. But I do it because I watch what my mother did, she was always helping people. So you said to get you where you are today, it was just doing things to help people, and I believe in that transfer too, of your energy.

Marcus Allen 19:38
Yeah, exactly. Power and energy, and it all comes from a high cut, one haircut at a time. The customer, actually, like you say, the customer come to you, and you become more than just a barber, because you become there. I tell the story all the time. An individual might have, like, two different wives, have four different jobs,

Dave Washington 19:56
right,

Marcus Allen 19:57
have different careers, have other things that change along their life. But nine times 10 they don't change their barber or change their hair stylist,

Dave Washington 20:04
right? They stick

Marcus Allen 20:04
with them all the way through.

Dave Washington 20:06
Yeah, and don't divorce

Dave Washington 20:07
them. Very true, very true. So you know, in the things that you do, and I don't know if you can share this, because I'm kind of coming off the cuff now, but I notice there's a building that you be doing functions that somebody are looking for you a few times, you know, like this dude is on it, man, and I do know that, and again, I'm going into the more other areas of business that I know you pursue, and I'm still trying to get you and my brother-in-law, Ernest Fountain, together to talk, oh yeah, because there's a lot of trickery that I've seen in my 75 years of government officials, they are our link for resources. They are not our friends, and I've discovered that over time. Everybody thinks, because you know certain people, and I won't call any particular congressman's name, but hey, will you seem upset? Yeah, I'm upset, because you promised to do something for us. I'm looking for you to help me do something

Marcus Allen 21:03
right.

Dave Washington 21:03
I don't, I don't contribute my money just to contribute it, because I know that some people look at, oh, you got access, you work on campaign, another means of access, you make contributions to campaigns. It's just that's just the nature of the beast, and I ain't mad at it, because that is what it is, and some of you, okay, but and you ain't gonna even go hit on the door for this person, but you won't access it's laughable, man, because you got to give something to get something.

Marcus Allen 21:33
Yeah, so the place that you're actually talking about is called the talk of the town,

Dave Washington 21:38
okay?

Marcus Allen 21:39
So it's for, well, grouping me and my group and my guys, we actually meet up and we fellowship with each other, because we all need a place that we can fellowship. So, as we was kids, we had the boys and the girls club, so as we get adults, what do we actually go to fellowship? And then we wanted the historical West Las Vegas, and we'll call it the One Love Clubhouse,

Dave Washington 21:55
right,

Marcus Allen 21:55
that we actually meet up and fellowship ourselves amongst each other. It's a private organization, not a nonprofit 501 c3 that's been around since 2009 that we do great, wonderful things in the community,

Dave Washington 22:06
right.

Marcus Allen 22:06
So we most definitely enjoy ourselves at the same time.

Dave Washington 22:09
And I notice one thing about you, and I pick them up from time to time, you know how to do these.. what do you call it, the live stream. So sometimes, because I'm not very computer literate, or, or, these, you know, the various social media instruments, man, I'm not that good either. I'd be seeing, I said, let me, let me check in on what Marcus is doing, but you're doing a wonderful job, and, and you have a nonprofit that's been around since, oh, nine,

Marcus Allen 22:38
yes, oh nine, that's one love motorcycle club and car club, so we got a lot of individuals that actually we start off with cars first, and antique cars, specialty cars that we've been building from ground up, actually from the last little rusty boat to the nice fine screw that actually goes on the car, and invests a lot of money into the cars that we work hard for, we use that to deter the kids and things like that, it's a better way of living and better way of life, and to get their attention through the car, because a lot of kids and young men like us is where we was, we're actuated with cars, and then you get the attention with cars that you actually have this car too, but you have to stay out of trouble, you have to finish school, but use that as a tool to actually grab their attention, so then it sprouted out to motorcycles, is the same thing, because you got a lot of brothers that a lot of people get the wrong impression about motorcycle guys, and they think that, oh, they, there's a motorcycle gang, and the guys that I hang out with, they all are somebody, you know, they're a family man, they're businessmen, career man, career German man, they're homeowners, and is in that public, in a constituent of any candidate that's running in their district,

Dave Washington 23:39
right, so

Marcus Allen 23:40
these are somebody

Dave Washington 23:41
that's right. You know what it was, so surprising, because coming up you get that same kind of when you hear you get floated with all this information, like you say they're game, they're the hell's ancient man. I know some judges, right, and I learned this 3040 years ago now, but at first I'm thinking all in the negative side, and you'd be surprised who ride motorcycles.

Marcus Allen 24:03
Yes, it's a very dangerous, very dangerous to ride a motorcycle, but instead, that's something that we enjoy. That's our passion. We call it wind therapy,

Dave Washington 24:12
and I love to see, even though my wife has always get angered, as I do when some of them, especially those, what are those? Those real fast streets, yeah, they always touch rocket, yeah, they'd be zipping all through traffic. What are you doing, man? Somebody make one turn, you're in, you're in trouble. So, in terms of what you get guys do for young people, along with the lines of doing things with the vehicles, what other kind of programs do you guys particularly run for ensuring that the, and I say that because one of the things that I'm working on right now, Marcus, it is my intent to do some classes out of one of the facilities of Frank Hawkins, where I serve as chairman of board of, you know, affordable housing and apartments, I'm getting ready to do, and I got. Have one curriculum waiting on another one to be developed, but I'm going to do African studies for for young people, between brothers and brothers in particular, from 14 to 20 years of age, and I say that because I still believe some of our young black men, they don't know who they are, and as a consequence it's easy for them to get on the wrong track, because they think that, oh man, I was just a slave, so what the heck, what's the big deal? But you better check your history, young man. You go back 10, 20,000 years, or we was,

Marcus Allen 25:30
we was king,

Dave Washington 25:31
yes,

Marcus Allen 25:32
kings and queens,

Dave Washington 25:32
that's right,

Marcus Allen 25:33
yes.

Dave Washington 25:34
And in school, see, and I'd be very surprised if any difference today, the focus, and I don't know if you're familiar with Tony Browder. Tony Browder, he's an archeologist by learning out there, and he's done digs over in Africa, but he is actually a marketing expert. His degree is marketing and advertising, so he got this big map, it's about 14, probably 1614, and it shows the focus of what generally you get in school is slavery, but when you go back, as you mentioned them, kings and queens and all them, you know, and I know we're getting ready to celebrate 250 years,

Marcus Allen 26:18
United States,

Dave Washington 26:18
United States, man, we babies, we mess around with China. China is 4003 4000 years old, you know. Some of these countries been around so long, man.

Marcus Allen 26:27
United States is just as old as them, to just they recording, and they records only go that far back, so it only goes so far back,

Dave Washington 26:34
right?

Marcus Allen 26:34
So,

Dave Washington 26:35
and I think, yeah, but I'm talking, the records that we have are when we came in, came up with the, with our constitution, etc. etc. but yeah, there was folks here way before doing a lot before then

Marcus Allen 26:49
invaded. So,

Dave Washington 26:50
what advice would you give a young man, a woman that's interested in starting any type of business? Because I know I believe the disciplines that you have in business is no different from you owning your own barber school is running your own barber shops,

Marcus Allen 27:04
discipline and consistency.

Dave Washington 27:06
Okay,

Marcus Allen 27:06
you have to stay consistency, whatever you do, because we can have our ups and downs. Life is like a roller coaster, we go up and down, we go all the way around, but yet still, though, we come back to where we started from, we're going back to where we stopped, where we were going to stop it, but just don't give up, then, if it didn't go the way that you wanted to go, you got to push on even farther and take that same ride. Don't say why I wrote this rod, right before, and it didn't turn out too good for me. Get back on that same ride, you write it better than you wrote it last time.

Dave Washington 27:32
Very true, and that's

Marcus Allen 27:33
what life itself,

Dave Washington 27:34
absolutely. This is Veterans Affairs Plus on 91.5 Jazz Moore, I have Marcus Allen here, good brother from the neighborhood, so what do you, what do you see with Jackson Avenue? We got about a minute and a half.

Marcus Allen 27:45
Oh, that's good. That's good. You mentioned about Jackson Avenue, because I was just in Chinatown last night. I had, I went over there for a little dinner last night, actually a dinner meeting the last night, and it turned out real good. But I was the individual I was talking to, I was telling the dollar is circulating right here in this area, that's right in Chinatown.

Dave Washington 28:02
Yes, the

Marcus Allen 28:02
dollar go across the street next door, back across the street next door, and I say we don't have a place like this that we can have $1 that circulate on the same street, and Jackson Avenue Avenue will be the next place for that.

Dave Washington 28:15
All right, we say, hey,

Marcus Allen 28:16
we want to circulate our dollar, let's circulate, circulate our dollar in our neighborhood, and we say, well, I don't live there. Well, yeah, we don't live there. It was our community, that's our historical community, community that people had migrated here or was born here, that we all, all supported Jackson Street in one case, one way or another, some kind of way, of any kind of fashion. That's right, we did that. We had cleaners, we had movies, we had the bowling alley, we had church, we had casinos, we had nightclubs, we had the barbershops, we had the beauty shop, we had everything we needed right there on Jackson Street.

Dave Washington 28:45
Well said. Hey, this is Veterans Affairs Plus on 91.5 Jazz or more. I could feel your energy, brother. It's going to happen because you believe in it, and whatever I can do to assist, to include, I need you and Ernest to get together and talk. Yes, once again, we just had the great Marcus Allen from our community doing great work in our community, and ensuring that he's passed some of that knowledge on to the young people, young brothers in the neighborhood. Thank you

Marcus Allen 29:10
for having me. For sure. God bless you.

Music 29:24
Oh. All the smoke in the air, feel the hate when they stare, all the pain that we bear on.

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