Ready for Beyond

In this You and Yours episode of Ready for Beyond, Gina Hudel asks a timely question: Who are you becoming? She sits down with Jodi Armit, Founder & CEO of Alokai, to explore how identity evolves across life chapters, and how both technology and lived experiences can help shape who we become next.

Jodi shares her path from a long corporate HR career into AI entrepreneurship, and the profound personal transformation she experienced walking 120 km of the Camino Trail with her cousin — a historic pilgrimage route in Spain known for reflection and renewal. The journey brought connection, perspective, and an emotional moment at the Compostela that reminded her of what truly matters.

Together, Gina and Jodi discuss:
• how identity shifts as our roles and seasons of life change
• why transitions often require acknowledging — and grieving — what we leave behind
• how AI can support clarity, confidence, and reinvention
• slowing down and choosing where to spend your energy
• the people and moments that help reconnect us to ourselves

A grounded, human conversation about purpose, relationships, and the next version of you.

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⭐ About Jodi Armit

Jodi Armit is a passionate advocate for redefining how organizations understand and support their people. With more than three decades leading organizational design, M&A integrations, and workforce transformation across industries and continents, she has seen one consistent truth: leaders cannot build high-performing teams without real visibility. Traditional HR systems reveal the “what,” but rarely the deeper “why” behind performance, engagement, or organizational health.

Driven to change that, Jodi founded Alokai, a people-intelligence platform designed to give organizations a unified and holistic view of their workforce. Alokai helps companies move beyond labels and legacy processes, enabling personalized employee experiences and more confident, informed talent decisions using data they’ve never had access to before. Her mission is clear: equip HR and business leaders with the clarity to build organizations where people thrive — and workplaces consistently exceed their goals.

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⭐ About the Host: Gina Hudel

I’m Gina Hudel, a transformation leader who has worked with teams in more than 40 countries. Over the years, my career has taken me across sectors and communities, supporting people and organizations as they navigate change, make thoughtful decisions, and move forward with clarity and purpose.

I’m also deeply committed to volunteer leadership and community work, which keep me grounded in what matters most: people, connection, and contribution. Whether the setting is global or local, my focus is the same — creating space for people to find their footing, focus on what matters, and make steady, sustainable progress.

Ready for Beyond brings that perspective to the mic. These conversations are grounded and human, shaped by a reminder I hold close: the future matters, but so does today. Each episode offers a moment to pause, reflect, and take the next step with confidence and intention, while staying present to the day you’re in.


⭐ What Is Ready for Beyond?

What you do today shapes what comes next — and navigating change doesn’t have to feel overwhelming.

Ready for Beyond is a podcast about growth, purpose, and finding your way in a world that’s shifting fast. Through candid conversations and practical tools, host Gina Hudel helps listeners move forward with clarity and courage, while still making space to enjoy the day they’re in.

From personal pivots to leadership transitions, career shifts to community impact, the show explores how people make meaningful progress while staying grounded in what matters now. Whether you’re leading a team, rethinking success, or opening the door to something new, this is a space to learn, reflect, and feel supported along the way.

Let’s go beyond.


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Gina Hudel
Gina Hudel is a global transformation and governance leader, operating in Kitchener-Waterloo in Waterloo Region along Canada's Innovation Corridor. She is passionate about supporting businesses, institutions & community growth. Whether helping a board navigate transformation, an entrepreneur flourish, a non-profit group evolve, or students master new concepts, she takes a systematic, collaborative approach to her work. Gina’s focus is on sustainable results and meaningful impact.
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Jodi Armit

What is Ready for Beyond?

What you do today shapes what comes next—and navigating change doesn’t have to feel overwhelming.

Ready for Beyond is a podcast about growth, purpose, and finding your way in a world that’s shifting fast. Host Gina Hudel shares real conversations and practical tools to help you move forward with clarity, courage, and a little more ease—while still making space to enjoy the day you’re in.

From personal pivots to leadership transitions, career shifts to social impact, this show is for people ready to make meaningful progress while staying grounded in what matters now.

Whether you're leading a team, rethinking success, or simply opening the door to something new—you’re in the right place.

Let’s go beyond.

Gina Hudel: [00:00:08] I'm Gina Hudel, and welcome to Ready for Beyond. Ready for Beyond explores how we move forward in a world that's changing fast, from AI to global dynamics. It looks at how the lives we build lead us to shape our future. We'll examine growth and personal fulfillment, with practical takeaways and candid conversations that open the door to possibility. Subscribe on Apple, Spotify, or your favorite podcast platform so you don't miss any episode of this journey. Let's go beyond. Welcome to Ready for Beyond. I'm Gina Hudel, transformation leader, community builder, and your host. This podcast is where we explore growth, reinvention, and what it means to navigate change with clarity and purpose. Each episode brings a grounded human conversation to help you stay open to possibility, and move forward with intention. Today's focus is on the theme of you and yours: personal reinvention, purpose, and evolving identity as life and work shift. Today's guest Jody Armit, co-founder Malakai AI, former HR executive, mum of two, Camino Trail Walker. Jody's journey reflects personal reinvention and evolving identity. After a successful HR career, she stepped into entrepreneurship, co-founding a startup that merges people, expertise and AI. Parallel to her professional evolution, she embraced personal transformation, including walking the Camino Trail, a pilgrimage known for reflection and simplicity. Welcome, Jodi.

Jodi Armit: [00:02:05] Thank you. Gina. It's a pleasure.

Gina Hudel: [00:02:08] Jodi, you built a strong foundation in HR. What inspired your shift into the world of AI and entrepreneurship?

Jodi Armit: [00:02:17] It was a journey. So throughout HR, what I realized is we are strategic partners at the business table, and we were constantly asked to be part of reduction in cost, strategic pivot, new market adventures, new customers. And in HR we are data overloaded. We're not data driven. And so we would come to the table with our eight inch binders full of PowerPoint presentations, spreadsheets. And at the end of the day, the conversation would be as deep as. Are you sure we have 3942 people? I think we have 4213. And you're sitting here thinking, and this is not solving the business issue. This is in the weeds because HR was constantly being challenged on their data. When I got to the end of my corporate career, I decided I needed to step away from that position. And the one where I was constantly feeling like I was not adding value to the business, I was always making up excuses of why the data was the way it was. I thought, we can solve this problem now with AI. I got really lucky that the company I was in, the last company I was in, had these sessions called Innovator Dei, and it would be a whole week where you did not do your job, you looked at new innovations to improve your job. The last one I did was all about AI. And when I saw what it could do, I finally realized I could solve this problem that had been haunting me for about 20 years in HR. I realized that I could take AI and read so much data and produce a single visual snapshot that could not be challenged. That was so accurate that the business went, "okay, you can now answer the question I asked you," not sit here, "but are you sure you've got enough information?". It was funny. I didn't even think about it as a step away from corporate and into entrepreneurship. I just went, I need to build this. I'm lucky enough to live in the Waterloo area. Communitech is quite well known in the area. There's a ton of startups around here and entrepreneurs and people constantly challenging the status quo. So it was really a no-brainer to go, I'm going to start a company, and I just need someone who can build it. And I just started doing it without really having a conscious thought that I was moving into entrepreneurship, if that makes any sense at all.

Gina Hudel: [00:04:43] It makes complete sense, I love it, I think it's far more brave than you're acknowledging here. Good for you. Something that's scaring people right now is AI. They are afraid that it's not necessarily an enhancement or an optimization or opportunity like you're seeing it, but they're afraid of it. How do you see AI enhancing the human side of work and leadership?

Jodi Armit: [00:05:09] You know what? You've hit a good point. There are a lot of people that are afraid of it. And because they are, they're not going near it. They're not trying it. They're not testing it out. What you'll find when you start playing with it, and you can start really simple, like use ChatGPT to tell you the best Chinese restaurant place in the city. Just use it very simply and then you can actually ask it questions. You could ask it to help you with something. It's fascinating. And what you realize is that it is there to support you. The programmers of all AI started off with a really gentle, you can actually change the level of gentleness, by the way, so you can have AI be very direct with you, or you could have it be very gentle. I keep my settings gentle because I quite like that, but it's very nice with you. It's like, oh, you've asked just the best question ever. So it boosts your confidence and it makes you feel really great. And the more you use it, the more you realize that it cannot do anything without you. So without a question, it cannot provide an answer. It's not something that's going to take over and just start giving answers out of nowhere. It needs human interaction. It needs the human to say, what am I seeking out? What is it I'm trying to figure out? What do I need solved? And then it will then help you figure out the right way to word it, so it can support you and give you the right answer.

Jodi Armit: [00:06:31] And it will also say to you, "I don't know". And that's pretty cool too, because again, AI only learns if it has human interaction. So if you think about that, we've got this symbiotic relationship with AI that says, as we continue to expand our minds on what do I want to know about next, ask a bizarre question, like ask it "what is real love?". And it will go into this philosophical diatribe that's just fascinating. It's fun and you can have a conversation with it. I remember once doing it, I can't remember what I asked it, but I said, My God, I feel like I'm talking to a human. " It actually came back and said, "please don't be mistaken, I am not". And I thought that was fantastic for it to bring it back to, "I am a machine that is supporting you, but your real human connection, your real, where you get your relationships is with another human being". So I think I'm kind of going off on a tangent here, but don't be afraid of it. Just try it out. Ask it the silliest questions. Ask it, "what is the meaning of the universe?". Just do silly things like that and see how it interacts with you. And what you will see is it becomes a true partner in things you're trying to solve. Ask it what you should ask it. It's fascinating.

Gina Hudel: [00:07:47] Yeah, right. And it is a tool. And you're here sharing this with us on how you use the tool. And I ask you, we've had different tools along the way in our lives and the chapters of the seasons of our lives. And so if we go back and look at identity and growth and many areas, and work is part of it, and personal part of it, mum of two, Camino Trail walker, can I ask you this: as life has evolved personally and professionally, how have your definitions of purpose and success changed?

Jodi Armit: [00:08:21] Oh, Gina, that's huge. Like, that's like if I think about if anyone on this podcast listening thinks about who you were when you were 16, 20, 30, and you can see there's a different person in each one of these stages of your life. And as your idea of success and purpose changes the minute you've had a child, it's a whole new world about what purpose is. It's to keep that alive for as long as you possibly can. Right? And that changes from when you're in your 20s, what your purpose was to be career oriented, get that next promotion and everything else. Now in my late 50s, my purpose is to really embrace what's left of my life. We can't be hiding about that. I'm on the downward slope? My purpose is to bring joy to my family and my friends. My purpose is to connect with the community and even in building a loci. My number one mission was to say I want to have a personalized employee experience. I want employees to feel as good as we try to make customers feel, and our employees are so important, and without them, companies can't exist. So my purpose has gone from, "I'm going to help a business build success", to, "I want people to embrace their careers with a sense of getting that human experience, that feeling of connection, that feeling of community". And then success to me, oh, gosh, I already feel successful. I've got two beautiful boys. They make me feel successful. I've had a great corporate career. I can talk about my travels and my experiences and I love sharing that. So success to me now is sharing. It's sharing and helping others be successful. It's going,"can I just give some thoughts here because I've been there done that" or, "man that's a really cool position you're in, let's just tackle it from a different perspective and ask some questions until we can find that different perspective". So that's success to me now, helping others.

Gina Hudel: [00:10:30] When we think of the symbol of helping others, we think of the wide open arms, hugging right in the padding on the back. And you know, as you speak of us going through different decades and different stages, can I ask you what you've learned about staying open to possibility, even when the path looks different than expected? So some of it is almost stereotypical, you know, some of it was like, oh, this naturally follows that, but it wasn't all a given. It wasn't all, "absolutely this is the recipe. This is the menu". Tell us about that.

Jodi Armit: [00:11:02] You don't feel it at the time, but I am so grateful I'm a Gen Xer because in this generation and there's so much on media right now about us that makes me just laugh out loud because it is so true. We were never given anything. We were never asked. We were told. I remember all through my career saying, okay, you're going to do this job now. And I'd be like, oh, okay. Sometimes it was polite, do you want to do this? The answer was never no. It was always like, I'm asking just to be polite, but the answer is going to be yes. And because of the generation we were in where there was constant change, we went through 2 or 3 recessions. I think we went through not having an ability to find a job and still had to pay rent. Our parents didn't have all the bells and whistles to give us, like we had to scrape and scramble and we had to figure it out. And because we did this when somebody said, here's something new, We never said, oh, that's not going to last or that's not going to work. We just went, oh, fun, a new toy. You think about the iPods and the Blackberries. I mean, I think I was one of the first person I had the pager, BlackBerry. You think about all the new things that came. We just grabbed it and embraced it and said, this is now our new normal, because that's the way we were raised. And so when AI started coming out, at first it was clunky as everything is when it's new, right? But now when you can see what it can do for you and how much time it frees you up, and even the new cars, the cars that now basically drive for you. It's amazing to think about how much pressure and stress it's taken off you. Like every new advancement is for the advancement of humanity. And so if we can just embrace that and go, where can I take my mind now? Where can I take my energy? That's exciting. That's the fun stuff to look up into the universe and go, man, how small are we?

Gina Hudel: [00:12:51] I bet you had a moment like that on the Camino trail. Maybe moments like that. I chuckle when you speak of Gen X, you know who isn't on TikTok? Who's not watching the reels? And the one that just makes me laugh is, you know, the kids being sent outside and coming home when the lights go off. And if you need a drink of water, you grab the garden hose because you're not allowed back in the house. These are absolutely hilarious.

Jodi Armit: [00:13:12] Yeah.

Gina Hudel: [00:13:12] Tell me, what drew you to the Camino Trail? I mean, you speak of this HR background, you speak of working with AI. I mean, the Camino trail sounds like the complete opposite of that world. What drew you there? And then tell us, did it influence you? We hear stories of it influencing. Did it influence you and your outlook after you came back from there?

Jodi Armit: [00:13:36] Yeah. So the Camino trail. Four years ago, my younger cousin, she's ten years younger than me. She lost her husband very suddenly. And after that happened, we made a pact that every year, the two of us took off a minimum seven days. We try to go out for two weeks, and we always did something where there was some part of a physical bonding moment. So on this trip, this was our third year, she found the Camino Trail and she said, let's do this. And so, of course, being Jody as I am, she's planning it all. I'm just nodding and showing up. On the plane ride over, I started doing some research on it and I'm like, well, isn't this fascinating? There are actually eight different trails to get to Santiago de Compostela, and they come from every different direction north, south, east, west. There are different lengths of times you can go. You can go for 50 days right up to like, you know, seven days, six days. So it depends on how far you want to walk. And then I started reading the path that we're having to do, and at minimum, in order to get your certificate of completion, you have to do 120km. And we had chosen to do this over six days. So if you think about that, that's quite aggressive.

Jodi Armit: [00:14:47] And by the way, they underestimate every kilometer that they tell you you're walking. So be forewarned, if anyone decides to go do the Camino Trail. So we started going and at the beginning they give you this clam shell and that's where you're supposed to put your intention, or this is your give back to the universe. So Kirsty and I, my cousin, we looked at these clam shells and we went, okay, don't really know right now we're just going to put it in our backpack. We're going to start walking. And then the first day we realized, wow, this is incredible. We are in like it was just so serene and it was so peaceful. There were times when there were no other hikers around and we were actually thinking, are we going in the right direction? And you have to go and look for these tiny little yellow arrows and little tiny clam shells all along the trail. You'd love this. There was a pipe in the wall and that's where you filled your water. It was just a pipe you had to like. Okay, here's the garden hose. And so after the first day, you're kind of exhausted. You're like, oh my God. But that felt great.

Jodi Armit: [00:15:46] But you're in such a beautiful area. You want to go out and sightsee and explore. So you go and do that. Lots of giggles. And along the way you start meeting people. You meet people from Holland, you meet people from New Zealand, you meet people from Australia. You meet people from Asia who can't speak English. We met people from all over and heard fascinating stories about why they were out there. We saw this gentleman, he was with a walker and he was determined he was doing the Camino Trail. And then everybody said, as you met these hikers along the way, when you hit the Compostela, it's going to be the most emotional experience of your life. So Kirsty and I were talking and, you know, we'd spent a lot of time bonding and what we were going to do for our intention on our clamshell, and I realized what I wanted to do was have a final goodbye to a lot of the people I've lost in my life. And she wanted to do her dedication to Keith. Keith was her husband she lost. She wasn't sure if that's what she wanted to do, but we did that. So the day before we reached the Compostela, we wrote out our intentions on our clamshells, and then everyone said to us, it's going to be emotional. You're going to really feel it. And we're both like, well, we're not religious. We're definitely not Catholic. And James, the disciple, was buried there. Well, whatever. We walked into this square and again, eight trails, eight different directions. People are coming in. The energy in that square, you can't describe it to anyone. We looked at each other. I'm going to cry right now, even telling you this story, and burst into tears. And it was this incredible flood of emotions that made me realize that the universe, it is real. That and that energy and that connection of souls. It's real. And it was all right there in that square. Was it life changing? It was life changing. It made me go, again, back to my purpose. It's about connection and community and embracing others and helping them. And so even this company that I've started, it's not about, can I find the next unicorn? Can I be the next, you know, Steve Jobs? No, I don't care about any of that stuff. I want a tool that's going to make people's lives better and enhance their experience. And that's what the Camino Trail brought back to me. And it gave me a bit of closure, which was nice.

Gina Hudel: [00:17:58] Right. Moving to the next chapter, continuing on with the pathway.

Jodi Armit: [00:18:01] Yep. Third chapter of my life now. And that's where I am. And that's what I need to embrace. Jane Fonda's got a great book on, it's called Prime Time and it talks about the third chapter. Yeah. Love that book.

Gina Hudel: [00:18:13] Back to the reading list. We'll make sure we have a link to that practically. When you came back, once you got over the jet lag and the blisters. Possible dehydration.

Jodi Armit: [00:18:23] Yeah.

Gina Hudel: [00:18:23] Did you adjust anything with personal or home or work or, it's been too recent. You may not even know what you may have changed in your approach.

Jodi Armit: [00:18:34] No, I've noticed a change. I don't know how to say this, but I've slowed down life. It's not about getting out and seeing all this stuff and running from event to event, and it's more about being very thoughtful and purposeful about what I am going to go, where I'm going to spend my energy, who I'm going to spend my energy with. We talk about having boundaries and getting toxic people out of your life and all that kind of stuff. It's not even about that. It's about saying, where do I want to focus my attention? And I think that in itself creates boundaries for you. And I think when you feel others that are struggling, rather than saying, I don't want you in my life, it's doing that seek to understand what is causing where you're at and can I help? And if the answer is no, there's somebody else that will help that person, right? And so you move on. It's just changed how I where I show up, not how I show up. I think that hasn't changed. I think I'm still pretty authentic, I hope, but it definitely has changed where and when.

Gina Hudel: [00:19:33] I think about where and when. And I think about the phrase, you know, slowing down and, you know, being mindful. And then I just also go is that, you know, super idealistic. Everything is just moving so fast with everything going on geopolitically. And then, you know, with AI, which is a big part of your work life. So maybe double dip for you for a big part of the work life. The rest of us have it part of our work life, but it's, you know, a large percentage. So we go back to that, slowing down, looking at people. Can I ask you, in an AI driven world and maybe the driven world is too bold or too strong, but it feels much like it's AI driven. When we logged on earlier today, there was a blackout in the AI world that was affecting everybody. So in an AI driven world, what distinctly human qualities do you think will always matter?

Jodi Armit: [00:20:33] And I think this is where I was going earlier. Is that because we have AI, we can be more human? AI takes away so much busy work. Believe it or not, it slows you down. And how it slows you down is you don't have to do all the work that took so much time. It does it all for you. So you have a lot more time to think and be with others. So I'll give you a really silly example. Anyone wants to do a deck for presentation purposes whatsoever. Grab gamma. It's an AI agent. Tell it what you want it to build. Walk away. Go and have a coffee with your BFF. Go and walk the dog into the woods. Go look up into the sky and realize the expanse of it, because that work that probably would have taken you four hours, six hours to do is being done for you. When you come back, you go, huh? I like that. Okay, good. And you can tweak it, or you can do whatever you want, but you now have more time to do what's important to you. And I think, again, I said this earlier, AI can't work without you. It can't. It needs human interaction to actually produce something. And without humans, it's like a paperweight, right? So it just increases our free time to do what's important to us. It's there to use as you want to and when you want to. And it's also there just to have a chat if you're feeling lonely, if you're feeling a little overwhelmed. There's some amazing AI avatars that are coaches. I think there's one called Better Me. There's one called Pitstop. And you go and you, you say, I'm feeling the seasonal blues. And it's like, well, let's talk about that and what you can do. I mean, it's fascinating. There's so much you can experience with AI.

Gina Hudel: [00:22:23] I really, truly believe the right humans have designed the ones that I've been using, and I'm very particular about the ones I'm using. So I should say that to the audience. Choose your AI agents, your AI counterparts, wisely, because I don't know if you've heard of Gronk. It's Elon Musk's. It's nasty. Stay away from that stuff. Like just don't do it. Go to the nice stuff and keep your settings on nice.

Gina Hudel: [00:22:47] Right. So just like in your community of human friends and be selective. And I can't help but chuckle that, you know, human interaction, even human interaction with the AI, you know, came up there. But you really do see AI as giving us the opportunity to have a better quality of life if we choose our choice.

Jodi Armit: [00:23:07] Absolutely. And again, you know, the first thing that's going to happen is you're going to go, what do I do with all this free time? Oh look at Netflix. And if that works for you, go for it. Right. Do what feels good for you for the moment. But no, because of AI, you're going to have a lot more free time.

Gina Hudel: [00:23:27] And in that free time, people are going to be thinking about where they are now, where they might be going, what might be coming next. They might be thinking about making change, and might be a little afraid of it. Can I ask you, and you know, you've had lots of changes in your life and working with HR you've worked with so many people making changes, at this point in time, maybe your council changed from what you were thinking in the early part of your career at a different stage in your life. May I ask you today what you would say to others who are considering a big life or career shift planned, or in this economy or in this climate?

Jodi Armit: [00:24:13] I think the biggest thing with change for anybody experiencing it is what we don't acknowledge enough, is that change equals grief, because you need to grieve the loss of what has gone away. And until you've done that, you can't embrace going forward. So take that moment for yourself to, you know, have some kind of ceremony to say. And that's over. And now look at what I want to do next? What is in front of me? So look at the opportunities rather than stay in the past. I mean, what do they say? The windshield of your car is a lot bigger than the rear view mirror. And there's a reason you don't want to be looking backwards. You want to be looking forward to it. So take the moment. Celebrate the past. Close it. Allow that grief to set in. Have your poor pity party. You know, I feel sorry for myself right now. But then go. So now what? And there's fun time with AI. You can plug in some ideas and say, what do you think I should do next? And it will have a great conversation with you and help you narrow things down. It asks you questions. It gives you some perspective.

Jodi Armit: [00:25:17] So that's just a fun way to use AI. If you've got a big life change in front of you, it can do a lot of research for you. What can I do with my skill set in different careers? You ask it that and it can go out and go, hey, you know what? Your skill set actually matches something you didn't even think about that you could do and then reach out to your network. It's just amazing that the startup community or even anybody in Waterloo area, they're so open and giving about like, what do you want to learn? What do you want to do? You can pick up the phone to anybody around here and ask them, help, I just feel lost. I don't know what's next. And they can sit with you and chat with you and they will. There's just a lot of really cool people around. So use your network, use your friends, use AI. And again, just think about, okay, the universe has sent a change in my way because I was not doing it myself. So now it's time for me to listen to that and go in a different direction.

Gina Hudel: [00:26:16] Great transferable tips there, informed by much experience and great perspective. A lot of big picture. Tell me this practically. How do you unwind or reconnect after a long demanding week? Let's talk nitty gritty here. Tough week. Let's wrap it up. What do you do?

Jodi Armit: [00:26:39] You know, honestly, I am a person that needs my time alone to re-energize. And some people call that an introvert. I don't think we can give them labels anymore because we found there's so many different nuances, but I definitely need my time. So I have a bernedoodle. I will spend time walking him. I spend time with my son. My older son. He and I are very much alike, where we can sit in the same room and not say a word to each other, which is so nice. It's just nice to have that. I love cooking a good meal. I guess the bottom line is I need time alone, and so I do spend that time alone to re-energize after a long week. Friday nights are my night. And if somebody wants to join me on the couch to watch a Netflix movie, come along. I would love for you. But don't expect me to be talking. I won't be, I won't be very verbose. But you know. And then normally on a weekend long walks with my dog, I just love being out in nature. And I think that really re-energizes me a lot. And that's what I do.

Gina Hudel: [00:27:40] You know? So inspiring. We're told you got to get out in the community. You've got to do this. You got to do your volunteer hours, you need to go to the gym. And I'm sure you do all those other things as well. Love that you made it okay to spend some time and regenerate and rejuvenate solely so that you can move forward from there.

Jodi Armit: [00:28:00] Yeah, yeah, I think it's for me, it's very, very important.

Gina Hudel: [00:28:03] Jodie, this conversation flew by. Thank you.

Jodi Armit: [00:28:08] Thank you.

Gina Hudel: [00:28:08] And thank you to our listeners for joining me on Ready for Beyond. If today's conversation sparks something for you, follow the show on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Amazon, or your preferred podcast platform so you never miss an episode. Until next time, stay curious, keep moving forward, and stay ready for beyond.