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The veil is thin. So are the boundaries.
At Café + Copal we spill the ancestral tea, stir the holy chisme + say the things they told us to keep quiet. This is where stories + soul truths get offered at the altar of liberation.
Think smoky altar vibes meets kitchen-table confession.
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Light your copal.
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Madre Ixchel is a lineage keeper, spirit worker + unapologetic guide for brujes ready to break up with colonial narratives + reclaim ancestral magia that’s messy, holy + real. With over 25 years walking this path, she holds space so our gente can conjure lives of liberation, kinship + deep belonging.
Inner Magia: Return to The Indigenous Body
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[00:00:00] Introduction and Community Guidelines
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[00:00:00] Okay, so just to come, to go over our community guidelines several people that signed up for the workshop are brand new, so I just wanted to explain a little bit how things are run. So racism, homophobia, fat phobia, et cetera.
[00:00:16] Not tolerated. I'm not gonna read through every single one, but you can read them. The main things I wanna point out though are that I do center bodies of culture and that this is a closed container. So respecting other people's privacy, if there's things that show up in chat or questions, things like that are to remain in this space and not talked about outside of this space.
[00:00:42] Meet Madre Ixchel: A Journey of Spiritual Awakening
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[00:00:42] Well welcome to Inner Magia, return to the indigenous body.
[00:00:48] As I said, some, several people are brand new, so they don't really know about me, so I'm just gonna go over a few things about myself. I go by Madre Ixchel, but I don't expect anybody to call me Madre unless you want to. , I have 25 plus years doing professional spirit work. I started when I was like 20, 21 doing readings and such in a local metaphysical bookstore.
[00:01:13] I call myself a new age refugee because pri primarily what I practiced. And even when I first began my business, it was more in the new age space until I realized how appropriative of other cultural practices and had my own awakening, like decolonizing liberatory journey.
[00:01:33] However, I did grow up in a household where my mom practiced folk Catholicism and did her own little Mexican brujeria. I didn't wanna do that stuff because it's what my mom did and it was not cool to do what your mom does. So I was like, nah, not for me. And I wanted to explore other things, which is why I got into more of the new age stuff.
[00:01:57] And when I first got into witchcraft, it was more like Wicca and Western magic practices and chaos magic. But eventually, obviously I came back to ancestral practices. I am a neurodiverse person AuDHD, autism and A DHD. And one of the reasons why I do slides. It's actually not for your benefit, even though I do hope that it's helpful, I do it for myself, so I remember what the hell I'm supposed to be talking about.
[00:02:29] I am a reconnected Nahua+ person. So what I mean by that is that I grew up de Tribalized. I was not connected into Nahua community. I didn't even know my tribal background when I was growing up. It wasn't until my early twenties when I started doing genealogy work where I was realizing what my tribal background was.
[00:02:52] And I say Nahua plus because I do have more than one tribal background. However, I'm not directly connected into all of the tribes. I'm only connected into a Nahua community. And plus is also that I have other ethnic backgrounds. I do have Spanish ancestors and African ancestors. So I do wanna acknowledge and give honor to them.
[00:03:15] However, my identity is centered around being a Nahua person. And a lot of my ancestral practices I really found the foundation is in Nahua Cosmo Vision. And I have been an alternative therapist for a decade, maybe slightly over a decade. And I named that one because I want people to know that the things that I'm talking about today, I didn't like just take a weekend workshop with a life coach.
[00:03:41] I didn't just read a book and now I'm teaching about it. I have been practicing all of these things for a long time and I did get training, like years long training in many of these modalities. So I do know what I'm talking about. I've gone through a lot of these practices for myself, for my own healing, and then brought it into my work with my clients.
[00:04:01] Understanding Alternative Therapy
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[00:04:01] And so what is alternative therapy? Things like clinical hypnotherapy neurolinguistic programming, somatic therapies like somatic experiencing breath work practices, polyvagal theory, nervous system work. So all of that stuff I have studied, trained in and practiced on myself and with clients for several years.
[00:04:24] And I bring it into my spiritual practices largely because most of my clients have gone through similar things that I have gone through. So I'm gonna talk about that. I'm gonna use myself as an example in several of the things that I'll be talking about. But as mentioned in the content warning, there are certain traumas.
[00:04:44] And so I'll just name that right now. I grew up in poverty. I grew up with an alcoholic parent. I was molested as a child. I was sexually assaulted as an adult, and I've been in a relationship with domestic abuse. So I've been through a lot of shit. And I name that because I want people to know one that, again, you're talking to somebody who has been through it.
[00:05:11] I have experience. And a lot of the practices that I do, like I said, I applied to myself so I know what it's like to go through it, through the process of actually healing and living with, the repercussions of going through that type of thing. And I tend to attract people who have been through similar experiences.
[00:05:30] So from the very get go, even back in my new age, early twenties years, a lot of my clients had similar experiences in life. And so I just recognized from the start, basically that Spirit was bringing people to me where we had shared woundings. Because I really feel like that's part of my calling is to help people who have been through similar things.
[00:05:55] Inner Magia: Reconnecting with the Indigenous Body
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[00:05:55] With Inner Magia, it's really about paying attention to our inner spaces. Something that in spiritual practice is actually not talked about a lot. Especially when we talk about like magia and brujeria, people don't really tend to talk about, your mental wellbeing and your, we do talk a little bit about like the energetics but not like nervous system and stuff.
[00:06:20] Your mental conditioning, things like that are really skipped over and I don't think that it's really separate from our practice. The way we approach our spiritual practices is usually the way we approach, like our relationships and our money and, anything else. So if you're in a place of scarcity, if your nervous system is activated, you bring that into your spiritual practice.
[00:06:47] So that's why I think it's really important to have a program, and particularly this workshop where we are specifically talking about these things and also in the context of liberatory practice. So what we are covering today, how to unhook from colonial conditioning of hyperindividualism, how to attune your nervous system to power instead of fear, remembering that your body.
[00:07:13] Is indigenous wholly and necessary. And also in this context, when I say indigenous, absolutely everybody is indigenous to their own body. So I'm not talking about like race, ethnicity, that kind of a thing. Every single person has been divorced from their own body as a sacred being, and we need to reconnect back into our bodies.
[00:07:40] And you, your spirit is indigenous to your own physical body. So it doesn't matter if you're, an actual indigenous person, like we've been talking about Nahua or any type of indigenous Mexican Latina background, including if you're European, you also are indigenous to your body. So that's the context that I'm talking about this.
[00:08:00] And then also, we're gonna reclaim inner alignment as an act of liberation. So when we come back and reclaim our body and have more self-awareness, it is a liberatory act for ourselves. But also because we are part of a larger body of creation, we're also extending that freedom and that healing to the greater body of creation that we're a part of.
[00:08:26] And we're gonna be doing that, talking about these three pillars. The energy body within the Nahua framework of the understanding of the energy body, mental body, our conditioned self. So all of our beliefs and our current identity, the physical body, which specifically we're talking about, the nervous system today.
[00:08:47] And so what is Inner Magia? Everything that I named, but basically it boils down to the ability to become the result that we're seeking to create with our magia and brujeria. We're reclaiming our body as sacred land and rejoining the larger web of creation. And when I say become the result, I mean that energetically within our mental conditioning and our nervous system are all in a state and in alignment that supports what we're wanting to create.
[00:09:16] So if you're wanting to bring in money, we're lining up our internal state for abundance. We're moving away from scarcity, moving into abundance, same thing. If you're seeking love, same thing. If you're seeking, whatever you want in your life. When we're wanting to up to basically uplevel our experience of life, we have to start with the internal pieces.
[00:09:40] Because just as an example, if your nervous system is always in a fight or flight state, but you're trying to create some type of stability externally, that is a mismatch. So we need to do some work on the nervous system and then we can go and do our rituals. We can go do our trabajos, to, to create stability in our life.
[00:10:01] But what often happens when people are doing any type of magia and they think oh, I didn't get the results I wanted, people will look at the external process and say, oh, maybe you could have did this different or done that better. And very rarely are they saying, well, let's look at the inner spaces, right?
[00:10:21] So let's look at the nervous system, let's look at your mental conditioning. Is your belief system in alignment with the thing that you're trying to create through your because if it's not then that's really the piece that's out of joint there. So that's why we're talking about this today, so that everything that you do in your spiritual practice has a better chance of materializing because you've worked on the inner spaces.
[00:10:48] The Nahua Framework of the Energy Body
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[00:10:48] The first pillar we're talking about is the energy body within the Nahua framework. So. If you are not familiar with this, I'll go through go through this briefly. So you have three soul aspects within our belief system. The first one is tonalli. So at the head that is your, the actual physical head is called tsonteko, but the spiritual aspect of it is tonalli.
[00:11:15] Your physical heart is yoloj, but the spiritual aspect is teyolia and your liver. The physical liver is eltapachtli, but this, the soul aspect anchored there is ihiyotl. So each of these soul aspects is how you're woven together and each aspect affects how you show up in the world and also the wellness and the balance of your energy body.
[00:11:42] So with tonalli, this is connected to your personality, the way that you show yourself to the world. You know that somebody who just met you will be able to name, some of these characteristics of this soul aspect. With teyolia we're talking about your inner spaces, your emotional self. So people who are close to you are the people who would be able to name these characteristics.
[00:12:09] So if we were to compare this to like Western astrology tonalli would be like your sun sign. Teyolia would be like your moon sign. Ihiyotl is your primal animal self. So your base instincts and impulses is represented by ihiyotl. And this is like your deep, deep, deep core self that even you may not know. Usually only people who have done some real deep inner work and also spiritual work with underworld and subconscious type things would even be aware of ihiyotl.
[00:12:44] And so with this energy body, with all three of these different soul aspects, they also have very specific energies. So everybody has this setup within their energy body. However, based on the day you're born, you're gonna have different things versus someone else. So tonalli might be the Jaguar, somebody else's tonalli could be the wind.
[00:13:09] So based on that, you each have different needs to take care of your tonalli. Same with your teyolia and ihiyotl. So you have a very unique makeup that based on those unique energies, you need to take care of your energy body. Like I said, someone who's the Jaguar as your tonalli, a Jaguar, likes to be outside, tends to be isolated, likes to be on its own.
[00:13:39] Very patient gathering information and stalking its prey, waiting for the right time to strike. And then when it goes for something, it's no hesitation, ferocious. Like I already mentioned it, it eats meat. And I've met several people who are the Jaguar in some respect, in their energy body.
[00:14:00] And they wanna be a vegan or vegetarian. And this is something that has happened quite often where I have to tell them for their own wellbeing of their energy body, they can't be a vegan or a vegetarian, at least not full time. Because that part of their energy body, because it's the jaguar needs to have some type of meat.
[00:14:20] Same thing with the environment. Jaguars like to be in the water. They're actually one of the few big cats that really likes water, but being in the water. So things like water limpias are gonna be really good for you and your energy body. They like to be out in the heat. They live in the jungle, so being out in greenery, being outside in the sun, in the heat.
[00:14:42] So things like being in saunas. Any type of sweat house, type of practice is gonna be really good for you. So even if you consciously are not into those things, bringing them in, you can think of it as doing like offerings to that soul aspect to do a practice that helps feed that part of you.
[00:15:05] And if you don't know the specifics of your, that's okay, because there's some basic things that you can do to take care of yourself. So now people, like a lot of Mesoamerican people refer to ourselves as people of the sun. And so working with Sun Energy, solar energy is something that is a very, a very basic fundamental thing you can do to help take care of your energy body.
[00:15:31] Tonalli itself is said to be a piece of the sun. And that that energy, when it f when you're first crowned with your tonalli, it ends up like pouring through your whole body. So primary source energy is teotl, and the way that teotl enters your body is through tonalli. So every part of you is filled up with teotl energy, tonalli energy.
[00:15:56] That's how we are all alive and moving through the world. So working with the sun, being able to go outside and, do sunbathing as an example, or if you're indoors and just doing maybe like a visual. Meditation where you're bringing in the sun's energy into your body, that's one way to help balance out your energy body.
[00:16:20] Teyolia, like I said, it's associated with your emotional wellbeing. So lunar energy is really good for your teyolia. So that's another practice going out at night, sitting under the moon. Or again, a visual meditation where you're bringing in lunar energy into your heart space. Ihiyotl is, like I said, that primal animal self and either of those energies is going to be really good.
[00:16:45] And specifically if we wanna work with the actual earth and going into underworld. So doing journey work and pulling up like underworld energy is going to be really good. Be, you know, doing any type of ritual at night outdoors. If you're indoors, that's okay too, but nighttime is a really, really good time to do any type of ritual and cleansing work around ihiyotl.
[00:17:08] And then going back to like specifics, if you do know the specifics of each of these, there are rituals that you can do given the teotl, that is ruling over each of these soul aspects. So if you did some type of research there are specific rituals usually. They do involve being outdoors in certain places where these things reside.
[00:17:31] Just as an example, if, Chalchiutlicue is one of your s you might wanna go to a river or a lake or whatnot and do ritual there. So working with your specific energies. But like I said, if you don't know what they are, just doing some basic energy work with solar and lunar energy, nighttime and underworld are gonna be things that help balance out your energy body.
[00:17:56] And also, if you already are familiar and have your own way of doing divination, you can start working with elemental pieces. So when you know what the specific things are in your energy body, they are each associated with elements. And if you don't know the specifics, you can use divination to pinpoint what are the elements that are present in your energy body, and then you can work with those to help bring balance.
[00:18:24] If you get something like your primarily fire, then working with the spirit of fire is something that will be helpful for your energy body. But also the, the kind of like the balancing energy earth is said to hold fire and to hold it in a healthy manner. So being able to work with earth energy would be something, good for a fire person.
[00:18:46] So just things like that. could be useful to you based on your own unique energy body. And also just understanding that all of these energies are part of the greater greater creation. So when I say things like, if Jaguar is your tonalli Jaguar is part of the larger body of creation.
[00:19:07] It's one of the ways that we're connected into all things. So working with our energy body in this way is like a great reminder that we are part of nature still. We're part of creation, and we have different ways of connecting. And also with our spiritual abilities based on what your specific energy body is, you have those types of access and abilities.
[00:19:30] So with Jaguar like I mentioned, being able to hunt, gather information, be patient, and then strike quickly and fiercely think about that in a spiritual context, what type of ability that would give you. So just things like that to, to think about in terms of taking care of your energy body and being able to relate yourself, relate to yourself in a different way.
[00:19:54] And also understanding that your concept of who you are. And also of course, because of the culture and the society that we're raised in, we do think of ourselves as individuals. And I talked about hyper individualism and we find that very prominent and probably most spiritual practices and spaces that we find today.
[00:20:16] And this is a practice that not only reminds you, you're part of creation, but it requires that you be in kinship with it. As I mentioned, if you have a teotl that is related to the water, then part of your connecting and your spiritual practices to be outside and connecting to, to bodies of water.
[00:20:37] If you have one that's associated with caves, or the mountains, then part of your spiritual practice is going outdoors and connecting to those aspects of creation. So it gets you beyond yourself and also understanding that who you think you are is not just one person. What I mean by that is we tend to think, well, not we, but outside spiritual practices tend to think you have one soul in one body, and that's just who you are.
[00:21:10] In this context, we understand. You have these three soul aspects. So you're not just this one soul. You have multiple influences here. And then we haven't even talked about ancestral, impact ancestral is like another layer of our energy body. And I joke with some people that, at least to myself, I don't really say I or me, I say we like, what do we wanna do today?
[00:21:37] What do we want to eat today? What kind of practice do we want to do? Because there's this cultural understanding that I'm not just like one person. I'm not just one being, I have all of these influences. But the best way to put it is that I'm a spiritual ecosystem. And this body that looks like it's just one being is the channel for this spiritual ecosystem that is comprised of these three soul aspects.
[00:22:02] But like I said, also, there's the ancestral influence and then also if you build relationship with other types of spirits, they become part of your spiritual ecosystem. And so what happens in our body is not just like a, a me quote, unquote, but it, it's a, we, it it could be, the impact of a great grandfather that is responding within your physical body to the environment that you're in.
[00:22:30] It could be the influence of your teyolia. In the way that you're relating to another person. So we begin to understand that we are not really an individual that we are an ecosystem. We are a we operating in the world. And so it starts to give a different type of experience, not just in our specific spiritual practice, but just in the way we walk in the world.
[00:22:58] And there's a different way of connecting when you start to really not just mentally understand this, but actually embody it. And it comes through having the experience of engaging with these different energies these different soul aspects in our energy body. So part of the practice of breaking down from colonial hyper individualism is breaking away from those ideas that you are.
[00:23:26] Just one unique being separate from everything else. Even people who believe in connecting to the ancestors tend to think of ancestors as like somewhere out there versus as being part of the spiritual ecosystem that inhabits their physical body. So this is a very different perspective to start to take on.
[00:23:48] And you definitely start to have a different experience of yourself and an understanding of yourself in the context of the you and the world when you start to understand this. But it is part of your wellbeing that you start to look at this or at least be open to experiencing yourself in this way.
[00:24:07] It contributes, like I said, to your larger wellbeing when you are open to this understanding. And I think it also gives it gives context. More context. More context, I think, to some of the things that you may experience in your life and maybe reactions that you have to certain things that you didn't necessarily understand.
[00:24:27] But now given this understanding, you may see it as, oh, that might have been an ancestor responding through my body, or it was my tonalli responding, through my body. And not necessarily like the human ego influence and impact in yourself. So this is one of the first layers to really start working with and understanding so that you can start bringing yourself into full alignment in being the result that I talked about that you're trying to work for with your spiritual practices.
[00:25:00] . But one question is, or do you do you have a, like an example or something where, of a moment of, I dunno, a realization the, when you of like really internalizing or, or like understanding this concept of being more than one, like all this spiritual ecosystem.
[00:25:24] Is there a, like a moment or, or a reflection on the past or something that you are like, oh, okay, actually I can feel that this was this other soul aspect and not, and not, I don't wanna say not me, because it, it is you, but not, not how you, you like maybe what you just said, like it's not necessarily the ego or what you would've considered you before understanding you in a plural way.
[00:25:57] Right. So the also the la the, I guess the language I use on that is there's your conditioned self. Okay. Which is okay, basically like your human ego self and the way that you've been trained to think of yourself and the world. So yeah, I feel like this is what I, I call it like your true self versus the conditioned self and the true self understanding that it is the spiritual ecosystem.
[00:26:25] So I hope that brings a little clarity there too. But yeah, so for me, I think some examples are, firstly when it comes to eating I know that probably sounds maybe silly, but like I have wanted to become more physically healthy. And so one of the things I was starting to do is pay attention to well, first let me say that I heard of intuitive eating and they were just, the way they were describing it, the person I heard it from was, instead of just when you feel hungry, going to eat whatever, because you're conditioned with certain cravings and things like that, or maybe even out of habit to eat certain foods.
[00:27:04] And so they were saying tune in to intuition and asking your body what are, what's your body hungry for? And it may be something that's different, than your mind was telling you. So taking that into practice and just realizing how different parts of me could want different things.
[00:27:24] Not even just the condition itself, but like my tonalli might want a particular thing versus my, ihiyotl and that was like a felt experience of being able to tune into my body and like being drawn like first into Ihu and I might be saying, oh, I want meat. I want red meat. Go get me a steak.
[00:27:46] And my finale might be like, oh no, go eat some fruit . And it doesn't mean you can't have both, but it was just, it really was a felt experience of being pulled into the energy and like feeling the craving in that particular part of my being.
[00:28:04] Wow, okay. And I don't, yeah, I don't know that can be understood unless you experience it, but I hope that's clear. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think, I think it, it comes, I think of obviously experience brings another level of clarity, but it's a very good example of, like noticing that this, that's, that was my question.
[00:28:24] If you actually, you know Yeah, exactly that, like how, like the experience of feeling that those different aspects, having having different. Needs or wants, mm-hmm. So that's pretty good. Oh, thank you. That helps. It helps me also understand and kind of visualize it, I guess, even if I don't really I don't underst understand the feeling in that.
[00:28:54] Mm-hmm. But at least to have that sort of like a closer understanding. Yeah. Well, I think that also pinpoints something that's a really important distinction to make here, is that for most people, as you're going about your day and you're making these decisions, you are not really noticing. But what most people are doing is they're going into their head, they're going into their mind and making these decisions.
[00:29:22] It's dissociated from your body. Most people have to make a point to tune in, to go into interoception and pay attention to what does my body actually want right now? And very often you'll override that anyways, with your mind, and one example is like with work, you physical body can be so tired, but.
[00:29:49] Mentally, you're thinking about all of the duties and the responsibilities, and so you're like, no, no, no. You try, you're pushing through and you're going and you keep doing more work. And while you may accomplish that and get everything done, your body has been overburdened and it's very tired. And now you're gonna go crash out, or now you're gonna go, I don't know, maybe go scroll through, social media to
[00:30:14] try to like, get some dopamine in your body and get some energy. And the reality is you should have paid attention to your body and given yourself some rest. But people do that all the time. Either purely making decisions from the mind, or even if they notice what's happening in their body, they will override it.
[00:30:34] And so this practice in particular, like paying attention to the energy body in this way, it requires that you're in your body and that you're paying attention and listening and noticing what comes up, what gets activated, you know? And as I was saying, impulse you, as you're paying more attention to these different parts of you, you will start to notice, Ooh, I'm drawn into my tonalli.
[00:30:58] And there is this it could be a craving, it can be an impulse to do something, but it is very distinct from these other parts of you. And you will also be able to tell the difference between. That like tonalli and your conditioned mind, you'll be able to tell the difference. But you're only able to start to make that distinction by doing the practice.
[00:31:24] And some people can get it right away. Others, it takes a while, but it still, it will happen, but you just have to keep coming back into your body and noticing. So that's I think the hardest thing for most people to do is to build that new habit of going into their body versus like automatically going into the mind.
[00:31:46] Yeah, yeah, yeah. And kinda, following on that is, well, I have two, two questions, but I guess it's not only listening to your body, but taking it seriously, right? Because I think that's part of the condition in terms of you have an impulse or sensation or feeling, but then it's like the, the, the no, you, you, you should not do this.
[00:32:08] That is not right. You have to stay here and do whatever it is, continue working or sit, sit down instead of like running if that's what you, the impulse was or movement or so on. But have to, this is maybe a silly question, but, so you said what you said, so when I hear about Ali and it's like head right, and I think I was making this assumption, I.
[00:32:32] I say like very more like mind based. But would you say that those things are different, right? Because they're different kinda entities in a way or aspects, so like your mind, but there is also tonalli and those are different things. Would you say that? Yeah. So the way, okay, so sorry if I'm No, no, it's okay.
[00:33:00] Different. No, this actually is right on point with, us moving into talking about mental conditioning because, okay, so for instance, Tonelli is a spirit. And let, let's go with the example that I was talking about, the Jaguar. There is a very distinct spirit that is the actual Jaguar spirit that you are crowned with.
[00:33:25] Now your tonalli, as I mentioned, is also the personality and the external self that others see. So your soul aspect tonalli influences your mental makeup, like the mental conditioning. However, lots of things, also influence your mental conditioning. And so we could be programmed. Culturally for, to behave a specific way and that will override your tonalli
[00:33:59] So your tonalli of the Jaguar, like I said likes to isolate, it's to itself, and if culturally that's looked down upon and maybe your family and like the community of your culture judges you and speaks to you against that way of being, your mental body becomes conditioned to behave differently.
[00:34:24] And so maybe you'll force yourself to be around other people, to be more social, to be more outgoing, even though that's not your natural self. So that now becomes your conditioned self. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, definitely. Okay. Yeah. So like your tonalli is part of your true self. So if you get rid of all the mental conditioning, you'll notice that your natural way of being, like I said you'll notice actually I prefer to be by myself.
[00:34:53] I don't mind spending time with people, but you know, only so much. Yeah. I really myself. So that's what I mean. Like when you get to know more of your energy body and your natural state of your energy body, then you give yourself permission to be. And you start to realize, oh, I only behave this way because people were judging me.
[00:35:14] Or 'cause my parents made me, or whatever. I put these expectations on myself because of society. So you start to let yourself just naturally be who you are, which part of that is, the Jaguar. Yeah.
[00:35:27] Mental Conditioning and the Conditioned Self
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[00:35:36] So your mental conditioning is, is another pillar here to look at. So as I was talking about the condition self is this aggregate of, how we were raised, the experiences that we had our social environment, our cultural environment, religion, if there was any religious influence there.
[00:35:50] Our friend groups our romantic partners. So the condition self is that mental conditioning. And also I just wanna differentiate here too, that the mind is not solely connected to the head. And I know that a lot of people have that that connection that when you say mind, they tend to automatically think of like their brain, their head, my understanding, the mental body is actually all over, like from head to the mental body is just one layer of your being. So it actually can pick up influence. How can I put this? I think the best way I can talk about the way I see the mental body is in scientific terms they call it like the morphic field.
[00:36:38] Yeah. Where it can hold memory and things like that from your organs in different parts of your body. I view the mental body as being like that. So if you're holding, anger in your hips, your mental body there is holding that anger. So I just wanted to clarify that as well. So when I say the condition self, you can notice that in any part of you and any area of your being.
[00:37:02] And it's important to take note of what the condition itself is. So I noted here that we must interrupt our inherited scripts. So like I said, when you may have a social conditioning, cultural conditioning that all influences. All of the thoughts in your head, all of the beliefs that you have. And one of the things that I tell people with their mental conditioning is the first thing is for you to stop believing every thought that you have.
[00:37:33] Not every thought you have is true. And you don't have to believe every thought that comes through your mind. So when we have thoughts, you can look at that as symptoms of your conditioning. So a lot of people are over coupled with their thoughts. They're over identified with their thoughts. They've made it part of their identity, and so they automatically believe whatever thought they have.
[00:38:02] If your own mental voice is telling you, oh, it's not possible for you to have that thing, or You can't do that, you've tried before and it never works. So all of these types of thoughts that people can have, they automatically will believe them and then they feel terrible. And then, it leads to them not taking action and not pursuing the things that they want.
[00:38:22] And so when I say we must interrupt these inherited scripts, when you have the thought, the that first perspective shift is to just realize, oh, that's right. Not every thought I have is true. And I don't have to believe every thought I have. And of, like I said, look at it as this is just this layer here.
[00:38:42] That's part of my being, and I'm seeing the symptoms of what this mental conditioning is, and you can make a choice. Then I'm like, I don't actually believe that's true. And you can make a different choice, instead of, oh, I was unsuccessful in the past, so it can't be successful. Now you can interrupt that thought and just say, Nope, I'm choosing now to believe that is it.
[00:39:10] It is actually possible for me to be successful. I can learn from my past failures. I can apply what I learned to what I'm gonna try now. So you're just changing the narrative that's playing in your mind. A lot of people, just like I said, they go along with the thoughts they're having, but the truth is that every part of you is malleable.
[00:39:30] Every part of you is dynamic and influx, so you can work with your own mental body by simply starting to purposefully, consciously change those narratives. You don't have to fight them, you don't have to resist a lot of people who have been in spiritual practices, particularly in new age, get into law of attraction and manifestation practices there, which basically tell you to, to repress.
[00:39:56] And that's unhealthy and that only keeps things locked in. The best way to do it that, that I've learned is you just allow, allow that thought to exist. And also, like I said, just choose, I don't believe that that's not the truth and you choose something else. So we're actively working with our mental body and the conditioning that we have to start to change the script.
[00:40:22] And if you can think of it as again, like another layer of energy that's just around you and influencing you, then you can start to see and experience how easy it can be to shift that. So when I talk about moving from scarcity to thriving, for a lot of us, who have grown up, like I mentioned, I have, I grew up in poverty, grew up with different types of abuse, it's very easy to get caught up in, thinking that certain things aren't possible for you. Or that certain things are just gonna, like always happen to you. Particularly if you've grown up in poverty, it's one of the most common things I've seen, and I had it in myself of just thinking like that certain dollar amount is just not possible, you know?
[00:41:12] Or a certain lifestyle, just not possible. That's for other people. So definitely having to work with the mental conditioning, the beliefs that have come from life experience and actively changing that because, I believe everybody deserves to be thriving. And so we have to move away from the scarcity.
[00:41:33] So one of the things that I named in people's practice with magia is that the I call it like maintenance mode, magia, because they're just doing these s to like, get money for the rent, get money to pay for their car repair, but they're not actually doing things to lift their life up to a different level so that they're no longer just barely getting by.
[00:42:00] With these practices, there are things that can help us, up level in our material life. And there's nothing wrong with that. You deserve to have the money to pay all your bills and to go on vacations and, get new clothes if you need new clothes.
[00:42:16] And it shouldn't be such a fucking struggle. And so moving away from that, a big piece of that is shifting our mental conditioning. And a lot of people are not focusing on that first before they go out and do these practices. So really important, to, to change the external experience of our life, we have to have to focus on our mental conditioning and start to repattern that.
[00:42:47] I was thinking what you just say about the, you call it maintenance mode, magic. I think it's great. Call it in that way. And the idea of not doing the sort of like inner work before, going into doing the, the and all, but how do you like, or how, how has been your approach or experiences, with that sort of like inner work and getting to that Yeah, to that to, or I guess that's part of what we're doing here right now, but getting to that sort of change or autonomy because it gets.
[00:43:26] There's so many, there's so many conditions or limiting beliefs. Like it's as soon as you start lifting, it's like as soon as you start lifting one rock and then the other, and then the other, you start seeing more and more, more things. And then you realize that you're in a valley of rocks that are a bunch of stuff and a lot of things happen.
[00:43:48] Yeah, well see. That's the, that's the approach that you'll see. If you, like for instance, a mindset coach where what often I find in their approach is like, it is equivalent to what you just said. Lift up this rock. Oh, and then you find this rock and then, okay, and then you deal with that, and then you do this one.
[00:44:07] And my approach is different because, people will often say to get to the root of a thing, but the thing is that the roots also come from somewhere much deeper, right? So like they come from a seed. If you don't get rid of the seed, then new roots sprout. And. So in this approach, when we talk about mental reconditioning and the actual practices that that I teach people, we wanna go to the actual source.
[00:44:37] We wanna find the seed of the thing. So it's like a gestalt connection. If you get rid of the seed, then the 100 beliefs that were connected to it now di like dissolve. You've pulled the power away from all of those beliefs. So I don't want anybody spending, 10 hours on just three beliefs trying to reprogram these three beliefs.
[00:45:02] I want you to find the seed. So part of the practice here, like I said, you notice that your thoughts and beliefs are symptomatic of your conditioning. So part of this is more questions, more digging of well, where does that come from? Where does that come from? Where does that come from until you hit the seed?
[00:45:21] And sometimes we can do that.
[00:45:23] Exploring Conversational Hypnosis
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[00:45:26] Like I was talking about, alternative therapy. There is something called, conversational hypnosis. And sometimes I work with people with conversational hypnosis and we can find what the seed is. But sometimes you actually have to go into a trance state and be able to journey into underworld and into the unconscious to really find what that seed is.
[00:45:43] But that's the most important thing in doing the work that I would tell people to do, is put your time and your efforts into finding the seed. Because when you do that and you're able to, remove, reprogram, dissolve that seed, like I said, the hundred beliefs that were attached to it now dissolved.
[00:46:03] And you didn't have to oh, let me take care of this rock. Oh, and then let me take care of that rock over there. Because it's just, I feel like, so time consuming when people are going belief by belief, by belief, like your whole life, you spend your whole life a little weights, you're look, oh, just this like teen tiny little thing, and then there's a thousand more.
[00:46:26] Yeah.
[00:46:27] Personal Experience with Ancestral Healing
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[00:46:27] So just to give an example of what that looks like something from my own experience like I said, grow, you know, I grew up poor. And of course I had a shit ton of beliefs around money, and wealth and also judgment towards people who had it or have it.
[00:46:44] And who knows how many beliefs there were, but I was definitely aware that there was, a lot of judgments around wealthy people. And so for me, digging into the seed took me back to not something that even originated with me. It took me back to ancestral stuff.
[00:47:02] And so I had to do, the way I found it was through actual trance journey work and being able to find the ancestor whose lifetime that, that started with, who you could say where poverty began in my ancestral lineage. And so probably, hundreds of beliefs that I wasn't even consciously aware of were attached to that experience.
[00:47:28] And lots of beliefs about what was possible for me too. So being able to go back and work with that ancestral spirit and essentially, creating a new narrative about their life experience was the seed that, in shifting narrative, it released all of this power that had been locked up and all of these limiting beliefs.
[00:47:57] And so in doing so, I dissolved. Consciously what I was aware of, like at least 10 different beliefs that I initially before doing that, was trying to do that like belief by belief, by belief. And really like it felt like I was just, getting through layers of it, but then it would pop back up, and in being able to find the seed, which was that an actual ancestral lifetime, and then putting these practices of, like I said, like creating a new narrative actually interacting with that ancestral spirit to be able to change and help heal what they went through.
[00:48:39] That was something that, at least I believe when we do ancestral healing, it flows in every direction of time. So every ancestor, myself and then every future descendant has now been healed by doing that particular thing.
[00:48:58] The Ripple Effect of Healing
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[00:48:58] So, again, going back to the idea of being part of a spiritual ecosystem, when we do healing on ourselves in mainstream healing right now, and even in a lot of spiritual spaces when they talk about healing, very self-focused, very self-centered, and.
[00:49:17] In this type of practice. And what I do and what I teach there is the understanding that what we do for ourselves ripples out and affects all of our ancestors, all of our descendants. And then of course, because we're all part of the whole web of creation, it ripples out and has benefit to everyone and everything.
[00:49:40] So understanding that adds this different layer of importance and also responsibility into our own healing that we didn't have before. And so I feel like it just has such a greater impact, one, when we understand that, but also in getting ourselves to do it. Yeah. Yeah. No, I, that was, it is powerful because I feel like now it's almost like taking care of something like that, something about, mental condition you, or like the finding that if it's almost like a luxury, like it, it is, is I think that it, it's not, of course, as part of like modern society and all that is the idea that something like that is, is is something that you only do if you have the luxury to spend time and energy doing that instead of.
[00:50:40] All their like work and money and all this sort of normal day chores you have to do for you and your family and type of thing. So I think yeah, looking at it as in, not as a need from the individual perspective, but that idea that it ripples through time and generations it makes it, yeah.
[00:51:02] Responsibility, like part of your own,
[00:51:07] part of the things that you as, as important as the attending to the current daily, day to day needs, right? Like of your family yeah.
[00:51:17] Spiritual Practice and Modern Life
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[00:51:21] Well, and that's part of the, like the reverberations of colonial actions. One is divorcing us away from spiritual practice where we think that it's like a separate aspect of our life.
[00:51:35] Okay, and now I'm gonna do my spiritual life. When you go sit at your altar, which of course you know if you do that, that's part of spiritual practice. But in this understanding, everything that's part of our human existence is part of our spiritual book. Experience. And so that's the first thing that starts to get corrected.
[00:52:00] But the, the other thing is like you named the recognition that doing this work is not just for ourselves, but it has this larger impact. And so we start to prioritize it. And also the understanding that like spiritual life was the foundation of everything. Like our wellbeing, physically, our wellbeing, materially mentally, et cetera.
[00:52:26] You can focus on those different aspects, but if you first focus on your spiritual wellbeing, then those other things naturally start to come into balance. 'Cause out of all of the different aspects of our lives, if we pay attention to the spiritual, you can look at that as the seed where paying attention to the seed of our being and the wellbeing of it.
[00:52:51] And so when we bring that into balance and we're nurturing that, now the mental self is good, the physical self is good, the emotional self is good, and then our external life starts to reflect that. So I feel like people who think they don't have time, like for the spiritual really. They really need to, it's actually the most important thing.
[00:53:17] And there was this I probably gonna fuck this up, but, but there, there's this story I heard of a monk who was telling one of his mentees, one of his students, that they needed to meditate for 30 minutes every day. And the student's like, oh, but I don't have time for that. I'm so busy, with all these other things.
[00:53:38] And the monk says, okay, well then you need to meditate for an hour every day. And that is exactly what I'm talking about here. The more time you put into it, all of those other things, it does seem like magic almost. 'cause they start to align themselves in this kismet way. And it doesn't mean you don't still effort, somehow, but it just doesn't feel so fucking hard and like a struggle when you actually prioritize the spiritual practice and your spiritual connection.
[00:54:14] And in some ways yes, it is, it is a privilege, that we get to, to even sit down and think about these things Yeah. And talk about these things. 'cause obviously many of our ancestors did not have that privilege. But I feel like the very fact that we do means it's an even greater responsibility that we do it.
[00:54:37] But yeah, it just goes back to how people are prioritizing things. If this is something that actually matters, then you'll make time for it. I think it's also, yeah, I mean I feel like that is a hundred percent, I agree a hundred percent with that. And I also recognize a bit of the external pressure in the sense of work, even family and things that, because there is a, like no one, or not one of course, but like not many people recognize the importance of this, right?
[00:55:14] It's easy, it's like the path of least resistance is to actually ignore it because everything else is pulling you away. Mm-hmm. Externally. And so yeah, it is like you, you have to have that kinda dedicated effort, but also a bit of, self-determination to be like, okay, it resists to the sort of like the external you, the external pressure of ignoring the colonial pressure of ignoring spiritual life.
[00:55:50] Yeah.
[00:55:51] Understanding Nervous System States
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[00:55:51] Well, it's so easy for people to push away, like doing the practice and prioritizing it, in large part, and probably in most cases it's because of their nervous system state. When we're like inundated with so much responsibility home life, kids cleaning the house on top of work and all of that, making sure the bills are paid, et cetera.
[00:56:17] And the fact that because of colonial existence, we've been separated from community. And so all of these responsibilities we shoulder ourselves versus what it was like, in pre-colonial times where communities shared responsibility, they would share childcare work, they shared hunting for the food and cooking the food they shared cleaning the homes and the community areas so no one person shouldered all of these different things.
[00:56:51] And so now we have, modern times where we're doing that. And it has definitely put this undue stress on all of us where so many of us are overburdened. And I'm just saying this too, as a single mom and having two daughters and running my business and having gotten through a, an age where not only did I have my kids to take care of, but then my parents had reached an age where they needed help, where they needed care, physical care, and so at one point in my life, I had all of that going on at the same time and it was like I definitely burnt out. And so a lot of people, because of whatever, it might be life circumstances like that of course things that we have gone through in life, different traumatic things. Like I mentioned before, some of the things I've been through, you don't realize what has become your normal.
[00:57:53] And so when it comes to the nervous system, many of us are not even aware of what our state is. And first of all, a lot of people didn't even know what the nervous system was prior to maybe a few years ago when people really started talking about it. Like online and spiritual and like self-help spaces.
[00:58:13] So it's really important to start to learn this and have an awareness of what is your normal, what is the state that you're usually walking in, because when I first came upon like somatic healing and understanding nervous system and polyvagal theory that was not that long ago. It was like 2018.
[00:58:32] Yeah. Full blown adult at that time. And I did not know these things. And when I started learning them and realizing that for the majority of my life I. I was walking in this functional freeze state. I didn't realize it, and when I did realize it, it made so much sense out of the way, like life had felt to me and the way that I had responded to certain things.
[00:59:03] Just as an example, when people are like, in a functional freeze or like fawning people pleasing is a big thing. And a lot of people, people please and they just assume that it's like part of their personality, that that's just a characteristic of who they are. And what I learned is it has very much connected to your nervous system state.
[00:59:27] And when you are able to be resourced and pull, put yourself into a healthier state, that is something you naturally stop doing. You stop allowing people to cross boundaries. You stop allowing people to take advantage of you. You stop like taking responsibility and blame for things that aren't yours.
[00:59:48] I thought that that was just, I. Who I was. And I tried to change it like from a mindset level and not understanding that it actually was connected to a nervous system state. So I could have did as much mindset work as I wanted to, but I wasn't reaching the deeper state where I actually was living.
[01:00:09] The Importance of Nervous System Awareness
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[01:00:09] And so when I started doing like somatic healing and being able to be able to resource myself, so there's something called the polyvagal ladder where you recognize what state you're in and you're able to do certain practices that help you move up the ladder into the healthier, calmer, peaceful state.
[01:00:30] So this is such a key use when we talk about like our magia, because if we're in scarcity, like obviously there's the mindset, the mental aspect of that, but then we have to move into our nervous system because, we're in some type of state when we're in scarcity, usually people are feeling very stressed or a lot of anxiety.
[01:00:54] And so your body, you can make your mind believe that it's possible
[01:01:03] a million dollars. But at the nervous system level, if you're still feeling all of this anxiety and you're in a scarcity nervous system state, you're not gonna be able to get there. Energetically speaking, as I was talking about, being able to open, open yourself up to the true self, those three soul aspects, you can do that and then you can get your mental field in alignment.
[01:01:28] But like I said, the nervous system piece, if that's not in place, you're still not going to get the result. Or if you even get close to it, you start experiencing things like something in your house breaks, you need to get a new car, and it's and I'm saying some of this because that's the experience I had was primarily like around money.
[01:01:49] I can call in, $10,000, but then 3000 car repair, my daughter needs her wires replaced in her braces. My other one wants to join lacrosse and it's $500 and then the equipment is another $500, and like it all gets eaten up. Yeah. And so that's what I mean, like a lot of times people don't realize that a lot of those types of experiences are connected into the inner state and the inner state heavily, heavily influenced by your nervous system and what your normal is.
[01:02:23] For you it could be a lot of people. Normalized to operate at a certain level of stress. And they may not realize, that they're like maybe like in a place of being shut down. And that's why they don't feel energy. They feel tired all the time, and they just think, oh, it's 'cause I have to work and I'm doing this and that.
[01:02:45] And it's your nervous system like it's called dorsal vagal. It's when you're shut down, it's when your body actually feels like there's overwhelming threat. And so people who have been in like a constant state of stress, a constant state of anxiety, which a lot of people who are in poverty are always in that state.
[01:03:07] And they're push through, push through, push through, and then they feel so shut down. They feel disconnected from life. They feel like they don't have energy. They can't connect to passion. They don't have clarity about what do they really want in life. A lot of people have those kinds of troubles and they don't understand that that's very much linked into their nervous system.
[01:03:27] And like I said, they could be in that dorsal vagal shutdown state. A lot of people are in the fight flight state, and that's when your body is perceiving mod like a moderate level of threat. So it might not be for a lifetime, but maybe you've been through several months of being stressed.
[01:03:44] Or you've gone through some type of traumatic experience and now you're like, your body's on high alert. And so that's a certain level of stress all the time. And people like this tend to have the high anxiety in the body, jittery, kind of feeling, threatened, maybe jumpy never can rest, always having to move.
[01:04:05] If you're making decisions from these states like that shut down dorsal bagel, or the fight, flight, freeze, sympathetic state, then the decisions you're making, the thoughts that you have, the feelings that you're having are all in alignment with that.
[01:04:20] And so when you're gonna go do for whatever, it's coming from that state. So that's what you know, it's really important to know what you know, what is your normal, because then you can start to move yourself into a place where you're feeling calm, safe, connected, relaxed. That's the ventral vagal state, and I've talked about this before in terms of being able to connect spiritually and being able to receive spiritual communication that you have to be in that relaxed state.
[01:04:57] Some people have a natural ability where they're receiving information like regardless. But still the way they filter it, the way they filter it and interpret it, it's gonna from their state
[01:05:13] space where you feel safe and you feel relaxed and you then you call in spiritual communication. Now there's not that filter, the scarcity filter, the fear filter that you're receiving this information through. And so you're more likely to be able to hear that information and receive it the way it was intended.
[01:05:35] 'Cause that's another thing that I find in some practitioners is that, if they're in in the scarcity mode and they get information, they view it as somehow the information is informing them of a threat or, or they even get paranoid about certain things.
[01:05:54] Like if something's going wrong in life. I know a lot of practitioners who get paranoid of is somebody throwing at me? Like someone put work on me? And starting to interpret those types of experiences through that nervous system state. And if you're in the calm, peaceful state, you can now hear the guidance.
[01:06:15] You can do divination. You can find out like what is really behind this? Which probably most often it is not, somebody else putting work on you, but this can taint your connection to a, to a point where you're not actually receiving something the way it was intended. You're not actually receiving truth.
[01:06:38] So very important when we talk about divination, and that's an important piece of doing magia, is like to be able to know what is called for what is gonna help you. And so if you're not in that state where you're not filtering through fear or stress, it, it is just it's gonna taint the choices that you make.
[01:07:00] So really important to be able to know and recogniz in yourself of, oh, let me chill out. 'cause right now I'm activated, or I actually just need to rest right now because I am overtaxed. I'm like in shutdown mode. I really need to just. Lay down. It taints what you view as what you need and what is the next right action for you.
[01:07:23] Because if you are high stress, high anxiety, you tend to get impulsive and you tend to listen to the fear voices and those limiting belief voices that pop up. And you're led by that versus being led by the spirit, being led by what is actually truly coming through for you. So things like people have talked about being depressed.
[01:07:49] That's also shut down mode. Dorsal vagal mode. People talk about not being able to go into trance 'cause they feel like they can't sit still. High anxiety kind of a thing. As I mentioned, that's the sympathetic being activated there, and it doesn't have to be that way all the time. Like I said, I, you know what, one time I thought.
[01:08:13] These things are just who I am. And when I realized, oh, it's my nervous system state because of the trauma I've been through, because of what I'm currently dealing with, it, it was like, oh, okay, there's practices, there's resources that I can use and go to, to help put myself in a different state.
[01:08:33] And when you're in that different state now, different possibilities open up to you as well. You start to see what actually exists that can help pull you out of that, not just internally, but I mean like external circumstances that you're going through. And it's really, really hard to see possibility when you're shut down, when you're high stress, when you're high anxiety.
[01:08:58] We just, it's all parts of us shut down so that we're just focused on that experience versus being able to see all of the possible roads, all of the possible options that could help us improve our life situation.
[01:09:14] I think I have experience with this, with these things. And it's and working through these type of, I mean even a yeah, shut down state and all that. It led me eventually to what I am in terms of the spiritual reawakening,
[01:09:31] do you think are those, like going and finding, trying to journey and trying to focus in on, trying to find that seed will help with a more balanced more harmonious nervous system and, and or how do you work those two things? Yeah all of this is connected, so your nervous system, is it's the reflection of what you've been through and what you're dealing with.
[01:10:01] And again, I wanna note too that there is a, the whole ancestral piece here. And so for many of us, particularly, if we are bodies of culture, our ancestors have really been through some shit high levels of scarcity. And that gets inherited, in our nervous system as well.
[01:10:25] So, when we do nervous system work, what there's kind of two layers to this. One is dealing with the immediate, so like somebody who's in shutdown, there's certain practices to help move their body out of shutdown and bring more energy back into their body and bring their body into a place of like understanding they're safe.
[01:10:48] And so bringing some stability there. So that's one layer of being able to deal. You can call it like acute care. We can immediate deal with what's the, in the immediate the piece you're talking about with the seed, the nervous system will naturally start to shift when we're doing that work.
[01:11:04] If we're going to do journey work and we're working with an ancestral spirit around poverty, changing that narrative affects our nervous system. Again, the practices that I work with, and it's the reason why I work with these practices is that it's like all of these pieces are concurrently happening.
[01:11:27] We're not just doing the mental and just dealing with beliefs and then going into the nervous system and dealing with the nervous system and then going to the energy. That's very disjointed. This is a body of work and practices. So they're all linked together because I find that is the best way to approach it.
[01:11:46] And I also just wanna point out too that like when I talk about what is your normal first off just as a baseline for everybody, there's not one state that's this is the ideal state for everybody to be in all the time.
[01:12:01] The idea with nervous system work is that one. You have awareness about yourself and what state you're operating in. And the other piece of it is that you have capacity and you have resources to help yourself. So we all should naturally be able to move through all these nervous system states.
[01:12:21] 'cause they're actually all necessary in certain circumstances, right? If you're actually in literal danger, you need to be able to have the sympathetic state so that you're gonna fight or run away. You need that.
[01:12:37] But it's you know what's appropriate given the circumstances we're in. Like right now, if you're sitting in your house, there's no immediate threat, but you're in that sympathetic state that's a mismatch, that's a clue that there's something else going on. Like I said, it could be trauma response that you've never really fully healed that in the body.
[01:12:57] So your body is just like your normal is to be in the sympathetic state. And it's all the time, that's not healthy. That's why we wanna do this work so that you have the awareness and you can notice things like that. Oh, my nervous system state right now is not a match for the actual circumstance I'm in.
[01:13:20] And you can, start to shift that. So the idea isn't that everybody's always calm all the time in this, very peaceful, relaxed state, you know? 'cause we need to be activated at certain times.
[01:13:35] So how to move forward given all this information.
[01:13:42] Introduction to Alquimia Group Program
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[01:13:42] I did mention that this workshop is an introductory workshop into the next group program, which is Alquimia. It is a six week program that's gonna start on July 6th. And we're gonna go through each of these three pillars and really get deeper into not only the information and understanding them, but doing the actual work.
[01:14:03] It's gonna piece it all together. We don't wanna just do these things separately. We wanna start putting practices in place that help address all of them concurrently. So that's what we're doing in this group program. So one, with this workshop you take this information and you can start to do more research.
[01:14:24] You can work with a therapist, you can, watch YouTube videos. I hope that you take the information forward and do something with it to help yourself. But definitely if you are ready to do the work with me and in this group, you're welcome.
[01:14:40] You want community. That's a big part of doing the group programs. The reason why I do them is again, we're not focusing on self-centric healing and we're not wanting to continue the hyper individualized practices. We're wanting to work together. So a big piece of doing the group program is that everybody understands that we're connected spiritually, energetically.
[01:15:05] Everybody's calling in their spirits and everybody's held in this container to do this work. So we all benefit from each other's work when we do these group programs here. So if it's something you're interested in, the doors are gonna be opening later this week. And so you are definitely welcome to join the program, but like I said, if this is not for you, I still hope that you take this information and continue doing some self-education and start learning some practices that will help support you.
[01:15:38] Because it is super, super important that the inner work is part of our spiritual practice. So yeah, I welcome you. If you would like to join, if you have any questions, definitely ask me. So is there anything that I can answer for you?
[01:15:56] I mean, probably a lot of things, but but I guess, and I'm definitely, so lemme start by saying that I this was great. I mean, I'm definitely interested in all of this, and that's why, I have many questions like, and probably even more than having completely formulated, but I was wondering if you could talk a little bit, a little bit more about the Alquimia Group program.
[01:16:20] What a little bit of, what will be included there in, in the practices and all. Yeah. So, each different pillar that we talked about tonight we're gonna be going through in the program.
[01:16:35] For instance, the energy body piece is gonna be the first two weeks focus. And you were in Raise the Bones so you know the format of the group. And that's gonna be the same format in this one where there'll be a recorded lesson the first week, the second week we're doing the Ceremonia live group call.
[01:16:55] And so with the recorded lesson, I'll just be going a little bit deeper into the information we went through tonight and give you like one or two practices to start doing. And it is ideally that you're doing them every day, although I know people are not gonna be perfect about that. But ideally you are doing these practices every day.
[01:17:16] Then when we do Ceremonia, we're gonna be reflecting on, what, what everybody's been dealing with. We'll do a live group practice and just reflecting on what you've been through with the lesson and the practices. First pillar. The energy body.
[01:17:33] When we get into third and fourth week talking about the mindset and mental conditioning, the last two weeks, we will, close out with the nervous system. However, like I said, the practices that we're doing are going to include all three pieces. So even starting the first week I just don't wanna overload everybody by talking about all three right away.
[01:17:57] But the practices, are going to be hitting all three of those pillars. So, throughout the whole six weeks, you will actually have been working with all three levels. Similar to raise the bones, we're gonna have the group work that I did before, Buena Vida will be on Telegram.
[01:18:19] So there'll be that support to in between lessons and live calls. People can share experiences, ask questions. Is there any more specifics I can give you? No, no, that's great. I'm just, like I said, I was just curious to, since we're talking about it to here, what about the program?
[01:18:38] Can I ask questions that are not immediately related to what we're talking today, or can I, or should I save that for later? No, you can ask. That's fine.
[01:18:52] Q&A: Purpose, Destiny, and Spiritual Practices
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[01:18:54] So this is, my, this question is triggered by what we're talking about about the ripple effect of doing this healing and, for past and future past generation, future generations or ancestors and, so what's your, what do you, what are I guess, position or beliefs in terms of like, purpose, destiny, that, this, that type of thing, and how, and I can, my brain of course is going through a bunch of different connections and I can explain later if you want why I am getting there because of this.
[01:19:30] But, if you don't mind talking about your views or beliefs or perspectives of either purpose or destiny or any of those. Yeah. Okay. Well, like I mentioned before, I was in new age world and one of the beliefs was soul contracts. And before you came here and incarnated in your body, you had planned out your life and that you maybe had agreements with other people that you were gonna have certain relationships and certain experiences.
[01:20:02] So that whole idea I don't believe in. So, when we talk about purpose and destiny, I don't believe that our lives have been preplanned. I do believe in certain things kind of like we chose our parents. We have to get into to different conversation about ancestral lineage.
[01:20:24] 'cause there is a belief that like our certain ancestors have chosen to come back into the lineage. And so in that way you could say there was some destiny that that ancestor wanted to come back into the same family. And it could be for things like wanting to heal certain things or wanting to experience certain things that they didn't in, in that initial lifetime.
[01:20:51] So there's that. There's also. When I talked about the three soul aspects, those three soul aspects could be anything. And so when we talk about destiny, what are your ideas of destiny? 'cause they start to get broken apart. When we think about like your tonalli, for instance, somebody's tonalli can be the wind.
[01:21:16] What is the destiny of the wind? You know what I'm saying? Like we start to be like that. The ideas, the human ideas crumble in this practice, in this Cosmo vision because again, how do you answer that question? What is the destiny of the wind? What is the purpose of the wind? You know, it sounds very esoteric.
[01:21:42] So when we talk about tonalli, you might hear some practitioners say, or tonalli guides. Your purpose, but it's not the same idea that a lot of people have when we talk about purpose. 'cause it does lean more into the idea of predestined something. When we talk about purpose, we're talking about being the energy, allowing ourselves to have the freedom to be that energy and create our lives from that energy.
[01:22:17] So like I mentioned, the wind has certain characteristics and access. When we allow ourselves to take on that energy, the wind can be gentle. The wind can bring a storm, the wind can refresh someone, but it can also destroy, it can be anywhere. It's also not seen, only the effects of it are seen.
[01:22:40] And so being that allowing ourselves to be, that, that's part of our purpose, your teyolia is a particular bird, somebody might have that gets all is very connected to being very spiritually focused. It is very sacred. It's very connected into spiritual communication.
[01:23:01] It's linked to abundance. If we allow ourselves to be that energy. That's part of our purpose. And who will you be and what will you create with your life if you're allowing yourself to inhabit that energy.
[01:23:15] It's a real answer. And it's actually, I think it's actually more clear than other like explanations that, that I've seen or heard or read about the idea of purpose or destiny. So I thank you. This is actually a very clear answer, very informative answer because yeah, that, that kind of, I was, yeah, I've been thinking a lot of about that.
[01:23:49] Anything else? It's just that I guess it's, it is, it gets into, and, and I am guessing they will, some of that will come through the actual group program because it gets more into the details, right? Like how do you how to work through certain things on the sort of like, even when we're talking about the central nervous system or even the,
[01:24:14] or even, like you mentioned going into tra right? To sort of like address some of the mental condition or even finding the source, the seed. Mm-hmm. But I wonder how, again, this may sound
[01:24:29] but I'm just saying okay, how do the, how does going to transit influence by you are same, either the same mental conditioning or even some of that. Things on your nerve, on your nervous system that may be happening, right? Like those different states and how that sort of like influences that journey or even the possibility of getting into the trans state.
[01:24:59] Yeah, so the practices themselves is, the way I can explain that is the way that I have ordered the practice addresses each, each of these things. So just as an example it would start off with moving you into a calm, nervous system. So the first part of the practice will be to let your body know that you're safe so that you move into that relaxed state and then we can move into addressing.
[01:25:35] Mental conditioning, then we can move into, the energetics whatever the specific thing that we're gonna be diving into. But the practice itself addresses that because, even 'cause you were in Raise the Bones, part of the practices in that was moving you into, the relaxed state you were in parasympathetic so that you could access, connection with your ancestors.
[01:26:02] So that's the same thing with these practices is that it addresses it, but I'm expressly telling you and naming it in the practice of we're doing this because of this, and we're doing this part because of this so that you understand exactly what we're doing on with the internal stuff.
[01:26:17] Part of that question comes from, when I, when I do the h the hypnosis of course, is either guided with like headset or by myself or even other, even before this program or even before Raise the bones or our sessions when I've tried to do guided meditations for some sort of either a trance or anything, even though.
[01:26:44] I'm feeling, like super like I, you, I can notice that you, the vibe being like, boom, like it's relaxed and everything. And I think that is I hope I, I dunno, it gets this, it came up, I notice it more when one of the last hypnosis that I did, like there is this kind of threat of mental, or I don't, yeah, I'm gonna say mental, like my mental doesn't completely, let's go, let go.
[01:27:14] Or I don't know how to explain it, but it's like there is still kind, there kind filtering or blocking or doing something. And that kind of yeah, triggers that question about, even the same either conditioning or the nervous systems they can actually, influence. So even if my body is relaxed and even if all the, what can I say?
[01:27:39] There are physical responses are what is expected, but in just to use that or the sort of like the mind, the mental that even if it's calm and I'm not experiencing any like explicit fear or external disturbances or anything, but there is like that bit of, I don't know. Not awareness because it's not that I'm talking about awareness, but it's, there's something there that doesn't kinda completely get into that sort of, I dunno, tra Yeah.
[01:28:16] So your mind doesn't completely shut off. That's not the point of doing hypnosis or going into trance. And also, I didn't bring this up tonight, but part of the nervous system states and our mental body is understanding the brainwave states.
[01:28:35] So if you're in alpha state and a light trance, you're still conscious, your mind is still there, thoughts will still pop in. That's completely normal. When we get into deeper states, like when we start getting into theta, your mind can still pop in, but it's like quieter, you know?
[01:29:00] So one of the things I learned from hypnosis is that you give the conscious mind a job. So one of the things I might do is say, start counting backwards from a million. In your conscious mind, like you're present with your conscious mind starting to count backwards. And at a certain point I'll say, okay, let your mind keep counting backwards, but your awareness comes with me.
[01:29:26] Your awareness is listening to my voice. Your conscious mind is counting backwards, but your awareness is, following directions from me. So there's that clarification. And people notice that can help, that their mind doesn't pop in with different thoughts or whatnot. 'cause the conscious mind is still busy counting backwards from a million.
[01:29:49] Your mind is jumping in as questioning, maybe doubting, maybe judging. But that's just that's the way your mental chatter pops in. Somebody else, it might be the grocery list, but your mental chatter pops in as yeah is it dark enough?
[01:30:06] Is this right? You know, am I going deep enough? I think people don't know that you can actually tell your conscious mind what to do and it will start to go do it.
[01:30:18] Like you can say, okay, I'm recognizing that's my conscious mind. I'm gonna give you a job. You're so concerned about me going deep. You go ahead of me, you go before me. You go as deep as you possibly can. Clear the way for me. You go in front and see what happens. Usually it will follow along, it will follow the direction, or you could even do, like I said, you can say, okay, I appreciate your input.
[01:30:47] Go count backwards from a million, and I'm gonna continue doing this. So try giving it a up and see how that goes. Okay. Yeah. I'll do that. Yeah, because it's just your conscious mind, but that's the way yours pops in the vigilante type of, well, the not vigilante that has a different translation here, but you know, the monitor.
[01:31:13] Yeah. Yeah. And a lot of people have that.
[01:31:19] It's okay. It is normal. Yeah. No, I guess it's like through all this sort of like exercise and meditation and so on, it get, I got to the point of being able to get a little bit away from the daily task of the to-do list or whatever, but not that. But then it becomes that, I guess the, yeah.
[01:31:40] Yeah. And you have to think too especially like people who haven't done this before even if you've done it before, but it's just been inconsistent. Anything that's a change. Anything that's new is perceived like a threat by your mind and your nervous system.
[01:31:59] And that's why I'm saying it's normal for your conscious mental chatter to pop in because it's like. Stop doing that. Come think about this. Or don't go too far over there. 'cause come back here. That's its job, it's trying to protect you. And it's wait, is this okay?
[01:32:15] Is this safe? Is there a threat? So that's one of the reasons why you wanna give it a job. But also you can just go into I'm completely safe. You can literally just say that to your own brain, in your own body. I'm completely safe. What I'm doing right now is completely safe. I'm just gonna go a little bit further and you're, and you'll see I'm completely safe.
[01:32:39] So you can just confirm to yourself, to your body, to your mind this is safe. This is not a threat. See, I'm okay. I'm going a little further now. See, I'm still fine. You know, so even things. Yeah, yeah. Okay, great. This is very good.