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A thirst quenching podcast for the girls, gays, theys, & astrology baes where we talk about anything & EVERYTHING through an astrological lens.
Hello, guys. Welcome to Tea from the Galaxy, a thirst quenching podcast for the Girls Gays Days and astrology days where we talk about anything and everything through an astrological lens. So today, I have here Barbara St. Emme. Hey.
Serena:Thank you for coming on this podcast. I'm out here in Brooklyn, so that's why I got a little background change. I had plans to be out here in New York, and I was like, I have to meet the beautiful owner of each element, the journey to self curated care packages. So, basically, how I met you or how I knew of you was you sent me one of your care packages last year from each element, and I fell in love with it. When I got it in the mail, it was so beautifully well done, well made.
Serena:Like, everything in your self care packages, I was in awe. Like, great quality. It was so tailored to me, like, everything that I needed. As I was opening it up, I was like, this is beautiful. More people need to know about this.
Barbara:Thank you so much for saying that. And You're welcome.
Serena:You order one as well? I ordered one for my friends.
Barbara:I know. I saw your order coming, and I was like, oh my god. She loved it so much. She got a second one. Yeah.
Barbara:Yeah. You got the air care package after that. Yeah.
Serena:I got it for my friend. I got it, like, a little birthday gift because it's a perfect birthday gift too. Did they like it? Yeah. Yeah.
Serena:They really liked it.
Barbara:Yeah. So, each element came along because I fell in love with astrology. I just, I dove head in. Yeah. And once I saw astrology, I couldn't unsee it.
Barbara:It was like, oh, it's in everything. I walked outside my house and like Yeah. There's something Gemini going on. I don't know. But like, I just kept seeing it in everything and everywhere.
Serena:Mhmm.
Barbara:And so I was like, what can I do with this? Because I wanna make astrology in my life. So the thought occurred, but, like, I never did anything with it. Mhmm. Until one day, I was ordering flowers for a friend, and I found this company, and they were delivering flowers with, like, care packages.
Barbara:They had, like, over a dozen to pick from. Then they had, like, all 12 of the zodiacs. And I thought, that's a cool idea. Mhmm. So that went to the back of my head.
Barbara:And then one day I was just I don't know what I was doing. I I researched like boxes. Yeah. And then I found this one brand called All True. They used to be called Causebox.
Barbara:Basically, the concept was they would work with, like, people from all over the world on, like, whatever it is that you can think of to, like, put into a care package monthly. And I like the idea that let me subscribe. So I subscribe. I get a few boxes. I'm like, I love it.
Barbara:Mhmm. Every time I got a box,
Serena:I was
Barbara:like, I'm excited. I really like this. There was no reason. There was no why. Why did send me this?
Barbara:Like, why did you send me a blanket this month and Yeah. You know, a candle? Like, why? So it's like, astrology could fix this.
Serena:Yes. So That's when you everything started clicking together. Uh-huh. Yep.
Barbara:And that was it. When was this? This was, like, twenty twenty two ish.
Serena:2022. You had the idea. Mhmm. Okay. During the Taurus Scorpio eclipses.
Barbara:Uh-huh. Is that what that was? Oh my god. Yes.
Serena:I always think in years of eclipses, like the eclipse cycles. I don't know why.
Barbara:Yes. And it also corresponds to me, like, I was in some situation with a Libra and Libra. And it definitely activated my eighth house placements because I was like, why am I obsessed?
Serena:It's just like a
Barbara:weird, like my brain won't stop. And I was just like, what is this? And so that went down like, what's wrong with me? And like, astrology popped up one day. Yeah.
Barbara:And I was like, there's gotta be more to this. Like, I know I'm a Sagittarius. I haven't always resonated with that. So maybe there's more. So then I found out, oh my god.
Barbara:There's a moon sign. There's a Venus sign.
Serena:Mhmm.
Barbara:That's when I learned.
Serena:That's when it started all clicking. Every podcast, I like to ask these couple questions just so we can get to know you a little better. Feel free to answer all of them, none of them, whichever ones you want, but I'd like to ask what your name is, your pronouns, your sexual identity, and your big three.
Barbara:Yes. Name Barbara Saint Aime. Pronouns, she, her. Big three, Sagittarius sun, Taurus moon, Pisces rising, and sexuality, we decided today, pan.
Serena:We decided today. We had a long conversation where we both feel the same way where because I always ask my guests that question of their sexual identity because a lot that I like to talk about here is, queer astrology as well. I think there needs to be, like, a bigger conversation surrounding it. So it was funny because I'm on the train coming here, and I'm thinking I always ask my guests these questions, what their sexual identity is. And if someone was to ask me, I'm like, I don't know.
Serena:I'm like, I'm very fluid on the on the scale that I'm like, okay. How do I say that? I mostly date women. I seek out women, but maybe I'll date a man if he mentally stimulates me. But I also date non binary people.
Serena:So I was like, I think I'll say pan. I think pansexual. And you were feeling the same way.
Barbara:Exactly. It's exactly that. It's for me, it's like, if I show up with somebody and I'm, like, introducing you and there's an issue with that person, that's kinda on you and not on me.
Serena:Yeah.
Barbara:It's like, I am being open, and that was like that led to us talking about coming out.
Serena:We just love who we love at the end of
Barbara:the day.
Serena:Not believing in coming out. And I was I had that mentality for so Very
Barbara:valid. Yes. Very valid.
Serena:And I hope can see in this generation where people feel like they don't have to do that anymore, that they can just you know, in high school and they get their first partner and they're holding hands with, like, their girlfriend or whatever, and they don't have to feel like there's this, like, big coming out process. Normalized love. Yeah. I love that, though. Normalized love.
Serena:That's, like, simple, but period. So going back to your chart, I feel like your chart is pretty balanced in the elements. So you said you had a Sagittarius Mercury. Mhmm. And then what's your Mars sign?
Barbara:Water Pisces.
Serena:Okay. So oh, but you lack the air. No air in my No air. Okay. Okay.
Barbara:It's just, it comes through. Boy, does
Serena:it
Barbara:come through. I think for the most part, I'm kinda quiet now. And that speaks to the lack of air. I'm just now because, like, I'm a newfound businesswoman, I am just now, like, learning what my voice sounds like, like, figuring that out. You know?
Serena:Just, like,
Barbara:using it more, writing, speaking, the whole thing. Yeah. This podcast is Yes. Part of that process.
Serena:Yeah. For sure. Working on that throat chakra. Mhmm. I remember I feel like was I on it live?
Serena:I remember you talking about you wanting to work on on your voice and just putting yourself out there, communication
Barbara:Yes.
Serena:And stuff like that. Yeah. I can relate in the way of working on my voice. For me, it's stabilizing my thoughts, I feel like, and, like, working on my public speaking. So I think the podcast is exposure therapy for me.
Serena:Yeah. Because as I record myself and I'm listening to myself back, I listen to, oh, I you know, this is how I speak, or why am I saying like a lot? Or, Serena, you can just pause in in between, like, in a thought instead of saying, Want me to work on having a stronger, more confident voice?
Barbara:Yeah. Yeah.
Serena:Because I feel like I never struggled with, like, maybe con connections or putting myself out there, but maybe confidently doing that, confidently standing on my own, like, words and thoughts. And yeah. No. I love the thought of, like, podcasts for that reason of sharing my own thoughts, but other people's thoughts as well.
Barbara:Absolutely.
Serena:And people who inspire me as well. So you definitely inspire me. Like, your whole business, who you are as an astrologer too. Like, I love everything that you're doing and everything about you.
Barbara:She's actually you are, like, one of the first people that I noticed on TikTok when, like, I was just like, oh, I'm gonna start this business. I need to get on TikTok because I really I wasn't on it. Was not on it in 2022. And then you were, like, one of the very first few astrologers that popped up, and it was like, yeah. You're making a lot of sense.
Barbara:Like, it connected. Like, yeah. She knows what she's saying.
Serena:Aw. Thank you.
Barbara:Yeah. Yeah.
Serena:Try. I try. I like TikTok because you can pause in between each slip. I'm like yeah. Yeah.
Serena:So I'm trying to, like, work on the not pausing.
Barbara:Speaking, using your voice, it's it's a muscle like anything else, but it's one that, like, we don't talk about. It's a muscle. Like, not everybody is a born, you know, speaker. Yeah. So it's just, like, it's a process.
Serena:Yeah. Would you say you were, like,
Barbara:a shy kid growing up? I was shy, but then also sometimes I had these moments, very just like, spur them very uranium. Yeah. Sun. Yeah.
Barbara:Just like a moment of like, I am not shy today. Like Yeah.
Serena:Happens. The waking up one day and being like, actually, I'm gonna do it this way. Or I'm gonna act this way, or I'm gonna dress like this way. Me specifically, early childhood, when I lived in New York. I'm originally from The Bronx, and then I moved to Jersey when I was a kid.
Serena:When I lived in New York, was a very outgoing kid. When I moved to Jersey, I became very shy. I felt like an outcast.
Barbara:That might be
Serena:Uranus in my third house.
Barbara:Absolutely. All of a sudden, you
Serena:have leave.
Barbara:Yeah. So
Serena:I, like, I had a speech impediment. I had to go to speech classes. So, like, people are looking at me sideways. Yeah. People would make fun of me sometimes.
Serena:I got picked on. I had, like, hairy arms, and people like, ew. You're just Yeah. And you
Barbara:had to, like, leave the known, your third house, I guess, and go to the unknown.
Serena:Yeah. And when I lived in The Bronx, like, my whole family lived there. I lived, like, down the block from my aunt, around the block from my grandparents.
Barbara:That's gotta be
Serena:My uncle lived with us, my cousin. That. Yeah. And to go into where we have no family. So Yeah.
Serena:It was for the betterment of my parents wanted us to go to public school in Jersey, and then I turned into a very shy kid. Yeah. And I probably didn't find my voice again until maybe, like, eighth grade high school, but it was, like, an angry voice now. Oh. Feel like Leo.
Serena:Yes. Now I'm like, oh, you wanna pick on me? Like, I'll pick on you 10 times harder. Oh. So that's, like, kinda what it turned into.
Serena:And I feel like now I'm refinding a calmer voice for me. Like, someone who's not so defensive and, like, always on defense and ready to fight. Someone who just kinda alchemizing, like, things I've been through and sharing it.
Barbara:And,
Serena:yeah, so I'm learning that
Barbara:I really, really, really, really love a Leo Mercury. I'm just learning that because, like, I've thought about the people in my life. I'm like, everyone that I've, like, really connected with mentally.
Serena:Mhmm. Leo Mercury. Similar trait of Sag Mercury and Leo Mercury. One of my best friends has a Sag Mercury. Brutally honest, blunt.
Serena:My Sagittarius, Mercury best friend, she will say it how it is, and sometimes I just need to hear it just like that.
Barbara:Yeah. Having a sag mercury is wild. Yeah. It's really the the shit that comes in my head Yeah. Sometimes I'm like, okay.
Barbara:That's an inside thought.
Serena:So I
Barbara:just remind myself, like, that's just for me.
Serena:At least you have that that knowing because some some people don't.
Barbara:It might be it might I'm telling you. It might be because Saturn and Uranus are, like, sandwiched between my sun and
Serena:my person from the
Barbara:other side. So it's just like, they're doing the work. They're like, oh, not that one.
Serena:Yeah. They're like pulling
Barbara:it slips through, and it's like, oh.
Serena:Yeah. Saturn is definitely doing some heavy lifting on those Sagittarius placements. Yes. It is. Yep.
Serena:He's like, calm down, baby. Because I know a lot of Stach Mercury is that heavy foot and mouth syndrome. Yeah. Yeah. Don't you don't give me that energy, but sometimes I'm like, why'd you say that?
Serena:Yeah.
Barbara:As a kid, it was definitely challenging as a kid. Yeah. But as I got older, I was realizing I was like, oh, Barbara. Like, you can't say
Serena:that. So Fire Mercury is, I think, at that rep period. Me, I've gone through time periods in my life like that too where but for me, it's my tone. Like, I'll I'll say something, or if I'm feeling very strongly about something and I gotta I gotta say it. I'm a I'm a big believer in sometimes people just need to hear it.
Serena:Yeah. But sometimes I say it, and then I'm like, oh. Yeah. Maybe that was too harsh or maybe not not right moment. I think that's a little like the Leo Mercury, like, I'm thinking of what I need to say right now.
Serena:Mhmm. And so that's definitely something that I'm learning, like, as I'm growing up that, okay, Serena, think about the moment, think about the tone, think about who you're talking to. And, like, you know, calm calm down your emotions a little bit because sometimes I feel strongly and I'm like, this needs to be said.
Barbara:My best friend is, Leo Mercury, and he's a writer, a really great writer. Creatively, like, to like, it's a great placement.
Serena:Yeah.
Barbara:Leo Mercury, hands down. Like, a really good Mercury sign. Yeah. We don't talk about that enough. Thank you.
Barbara:Yeah. Enough.
Serena:We don't talk about Mercury enough either, and I love studying Mercury. Yeah. Especially, when you look at singers and artists and stuff like that, their mercury
Barbara:is pop out. Our words do, like, rule the world.
Serena:So Yeah.
Barbara:We should think about mercury a lot more. I need help. Yeah.
Serena:For sure. Yeah. Studying mercury. I know I've done readings in the past for people where I've asked things like, did you grow up, like, having a speech impediment or needing to go to speech or, like, struggling with how you speak or not feeling understood? Do your words constantly get misinterpreted?
Serena:Do you feel like you don't absorb information as fast as other people around you? Like, I think mercury can also be tied to a lot of even though this is can be a controversial subject of, tying astrology into a diagnosis, which I never will, I think you can view, like, a lot of stuff of mental disabilities by studying mercury signs
Barbara:as Absolutely. Yeah. That that is a 100 that is one that I I saw in the birth chart of a family member, and it made so much make sense. Yeah. And I have so much more compassion now for this person because of that.
Barbara:So that's another gift of astrology. Yeah.
Serena:It was just like For sure.
Barbara:They're going through a lot mentally.
Serena:Yeah. We're fighting for mercury rights here. Let's talk a little bit more about each element, your business. Why you chose elements too instead of, like, zodiac signs? I was curious about that.
Barbara:Well, I chose the elements because I was like, who's paying me to make this? That nobody was. So I was like, I have to self fund this. So I was like, I can't do all 12 now, but someday, I'm gonna do one for each sign. So that's the vision.
Barbara:In our fire care package, we focus on things for people who are excitable, spontaneous, people who speak first, think later, reactionary, always on the go, going to concerts, like adventurous folks. Right? So in your care package, we have a journal. It's a vision board journal because fire signs tend to have a lot of vision. Positivity is a very big thing with fire signs.
Barbara:Right? Like, these people run on being excited.
Serena:Yeah.
Barbara:So, you know, it's important for a fire sign to be surrounded by positive words of affirmation or supportive people. So there's this, like, shower affirmation card. Like, you
Serena:can Oh, yeah. I saw that one. And it sticks to your wall,
Barbara:and it's positive affirmations.
Serena:I love that one.
Barbara:Shower. You're just just, like, reminding yourself that you are a bad bitch, like, as, you know, as you're getting ready for the day.
Serena:I love that one because it's so easy. You just, like you know, when you're taking your morning shower, you Yeah. A lot of people are, they forget they don't wanna write it down in the morning or they don't want post its around their house or whatever. Exactly. And yeah.
Serena:No. I really like that one. And I never saw that one before either.
Barbara:Yeah. I ritualized it. I turned my morning into, like, oh, so I'm gonna pull my card for the day. So I pull a message, like, a random one, and then I focus on that being, like, my positive entry into the day. Mhmm.
Barbara:And then we have this body butter in there, which is really great. It's by a Brooklyn based black beauty shop owner and a foot care kit because fire signs are always on the go. They're always they're here and there. They're everywhere. And so their feet maybe sometimes doesn't get the attention that it needs.
Barbara:And then also, the reason it's in there is because as Saturn was transiting Pisces, Pisces rules the feet. Saturn was transiting Pisces when we curated it. I curated it with a fellow astrologer. In each care package, you get a lovely letter.
Serena:I love
Barbara:write letters anymore.
Serena:Yeah.
Barbara:That was another thing. I was like, you know, these care packages are great, but, like, can somebody, like, I don't know, tell me something, lift me up Yeah. Support me. I don't know. So it's like, we can fix that.
Serena:Everything is just so thought out, thoughtful.
Barbara:In our air care package, our sleep mask. There is a sleep
Serena:Oh, yeah. I saw the sleep mask in there, and I was like,
Barbara:oh, this is
Serena:nice. I was like, this is a nice sleep mask.
Barbara:Yep. It connects to your phone through Bluetooth. You can play whatever you'd like, music, meditations, podcasts, whatever.
Serena:Mhmm.
Barbara:Just like it's it's helpful because, like, you do away with one sense, and you can just focus on what you hear, and you can choose whatever you want. Drift off to sleep, which I think air signs might struggle with sleeping. I feel like that helps. Yeah. There was definitely something else that was intended to be in it.
Barbara:It was hot chocolate, but I had to switch that last minute for something. But Mhmm. You'll notice in our letter that it says hot chocolate, but it's now a very awesome sleep mask. Candle that burns down into a body serum.
Serena:Oh, yeah. It's very nice.
Barbara:And that just speaks to air in general. Like, it's like moisture being a good thing. Air. Fuck. You deserve.
Barbara:This is a book of poetry. This poet has actually been, like, really popular, I think, on TikTok. Sharjah I worked with, she picked this book. When I looked at it, I was like, wow. This is beautiful stuff.
Barbara:So we chose this really because We realized Uranus was gonna go into Gemini. Mhmm. So that's gonna be a disruption. Yeah. And then also Pluto was gonna be moving into Aquarius.
Barbara:We're like, oh, air signs are gonna go. A
Serena:lot. Yeah. Everything's moving from earth and water into air and fire.
Barbara:So air signs getting hit with so much, like a lot of heavy energy. We're talking Uranus and Pluto. So we're like, oh, all that you deserve. It's a very positive, uplifting book of poetry. So that was for air.
Serena:I love that. The Gemini Venus in me loves poetry.
Barbara:Nice. Oh, god. So we nailed it. There's this astrology of you and me oracle deck. It includes, like, 72 cards of each sign as their, you know, role in parenthood, friend, lover, teacher.
Barbara:It's really great for, like, everyday use and getting to know the different signs. Right? Like, air signs are curious, and
Serena:Mhmm.
Barbara:I didn't want these boxes to strictly be for people who already knew astrology.
Serena:Yeah.
Barbara:It's for people who are wanting to learn, curious. Maybe this was helpful.
Serena:Yeah. And that's a really good learning tool too of stepping into astrology. I think that's perfect for even even if you're a beginner, intermediate, or a professional astrologer. Like, you can use it or a tower reader too. You use it in your readings.
Serena:If you're a beginner, now you're pulling cards and you're reading, you know, about the sign. You pull one card every day, and that's your little, like, learning lesson for the day. Exactly. So big air science things, very curious and wanting to learn new information. Exactly.
Barbara:And then there's this rechargeable frother
Serena:Oh, yeah.
Barbara:In there. The rechargeable frother is, like, very adamant that we include something electronic. This was before we had the sleep mask in there. Mhmm. Because I was like, it's air.
Barbara:There's gadgets,
Serena:you know, and I Yeah.
Barbara:In my Sagittarius enthusiasm, I really wanted it to be a cooler gadget, but, like, the frother was something that was, like, meant to be paired with that hot chocolate. Oh, it bugs me.
Serena:No. When I saw that it was in there, first, I thought of the gadget thing. I was like, oh, very very much like air sign, you know, Aquarius Gemini, like, geeking out about something. And then the other thing that thought that I had was, to froth, you need air. Yes.
Serena:So I was like, that's what I thought. I was like, oh, you Thank you. Air to to create something. Like, you know, like
Barbara:I didn't think of that.
Serena:And then the cancer in me is like, I love a nice kitchen tool. Yeah.
Barbara:And then I think that's it. Water.
Serena:The water the water, element care package. That's the one that I got.
Barbara:Yes. In our water care package, my favorite item is the gua sha. It's a black obsidian gua sha. Water signs always need to work on protection, boundaries, barriers, please. That's like part of the work.
Serena:I use it almost every single day actually. That's like Really? That's my yeah.
Barbara:That's my go to. The glow face oil, which comes with the gua sha.
Serena:Mhmm. Yeah. That was perfect.
Barbara:This bath soap this bath soap from OHA Essentials. It's a hummingbird sage scent. And then Yeah. I love it.
Serena:I put it in my bubble baths because water signs. I love my bubble baths.
Barbara:And then there's a safe journal in there. The safe journal came about because water signs, I think, or water heavy people tend to overthink. And sometimes it takes journaling to figure out what is actually your stuff. Yeah. Sometimes it takes actually writing it out on paper because otherwise, you're just, like, feeling all these feelings.
Serena:It definitely unravels the emotions.
Barbara:It's like a therapist recommended journal. And then at the end of it is a reflection of what can I do better next time? So it's kind of like, instead of it just being a blank journal Yeah. Which was initially what it was gonna be, we decided some, like, guidance, like Yes. Process would be nice and in this, like, therapeutic kinda way.
Serena:And I love that. When I saw this journal, I I first of I I just looked at it, and it was, like, a nice quality journal. And then I opened it up, and I fell in love with it because I never had a journal like that before. I love journals that make you feel motivated to actually want a journal in it too.
Barbara:This altar cloth that I'm wearing today because Yes. I am the altar.
Serena:I know. I love that cloth too.
Barbara:Yeah. And I just I love this one so much. Lauren was the one who picked this, and I had never had an altar before this.
Serena:Mhmm.
Barbara:And I technically don't have, like, a physical one outside of me. Mhmm. But it's like it's always it's like it's always a constant reminder for me to approach my life from, like, a spiritual
Serena:place. Yeah.
Barbara:For me, at least, that's what it's serving as. And, like, it was just, like, an encouraging nudge toward maybe forming an actual altar
Serena:at some point.
Barbara:You know? And I think it's like the religious trauma in me. Things like an altar or anything outside of Christianity was just, like, not okay. Yeah. And so, like, having this altar cloth in there for the water babies, I just felt like if anybody's gonna get what to do with this, it's gonna be the water babies.
Serena:Water signs have such connections to their ancestors and just spirituality. Water element, I guess, they get the rep of being very, like, spiritually talented and in tuned and whatnot and having that connection easier to the spiritual realm. Mhmm. So yeah. No.
Serena:I love the thought of an altar cloth as well.
Barbara:The Earth Care package comes with a tea blend from a Brooklyn shop with a cute little, like, tea strainer because it's, like, loose leaf tea.
Serena:Okay.
Barbara:It's because earth people are very earthy. Right? Yeah.
Serena:And I
Barbara:like things like tea. And then a hack your nervous system deck. It has, like, a bunch of exercises you can do based on the stress level to help regulate your nervous system. And then this grow your own cherry tomato pot plant. Cute.
Barbara:So cute. It's so earthy to be So
Serena:earthy. Something to life. The earth signs love a nice plant.
Barbara:The Florida Water fragrance, which is this, cool spray that you can use around the house on linens, on yourself. Florida Water has, like, a big long history in the spiritual community, and earth signs are very connected to scent. And
Serena:so Yes. How can people find out what their element is? Which box is perfect for them?
Barbara:So if you wanna find out your dominant element, you could go on my website and put in your birth details, your date of birth, time of birth, location. It'll pull up a number of all of your elements, you'll see which one you rank highest in. And based on that, you'll know if you are water dominant, fire, earth, water, and you can go purchase a care package. Or what I found and what I like to do is I like to get what I don't have, which is air, so I can, like, somehow invite that more into my life, like that book of poetry. Oh, interesting.
Barbara:Yeah. It's useful for me to, like, read and, like, look at other people's opinions and, like, how people use their voice and Yeah. And not just, like, staying so mute and stuff. Like, being inspired to, like, use mine more. Definitely.
Serena:If you have a not so dominant element to help bring that the qualities of that element back into your life and integrating that into your life.
Barbara:Absolutely.
Serena:Absolutely. I'm gonna have to get a earth sign care package then. Absolutely. I only have one earth placement in my chart. She's like Capricorn moon.
Serena:She's holding on for dear life. She's like, come on. Come on, Serena.
Barbara:Got it. You got it. You got it.
Serena:So speaking of integrating astrology into your daily life, when did you specifically start getting into astrology? You made the realization of how obsessed that you were with the Libra, and then you found out that you had a Scorpio Venus conjunct Pluto. You were like, oh, it was that. I said, oh,
Barbara:it's like they're activated.
Serena:It was
Barbara:lying dormant, I guess, for years. Uh-huh. And then one day, someone came along. I was just like, oh, shit. What is this obsession?
Barbara:What does this need for me to, like, know
Serena:this
Barbara:person? Like, deeply, what the fuck is this? I was like, this is not not like me. What is this? What's wrong with me led me to YouTube, led me to astrology, and that was that was it.
Barbara:I was like, oh. Hooks. Yeah. A whole new world. Yeah.
Barbara:Compassion for myself for, like, being so obsessed. Like, girl, it comes from, like, deep seated things. You know?
Serena:That's why I love astrology because once you open the can of worms of learning about one placement that you have and then you start learning about everything else and you're like, oh. And then you want and then you, like, pull up other people's charts because that's what I did. Like, my best friends and my family, I'm like,
Barbara:oh, okay.
Serena:Okay. So you just understand yourself better. You understand other people better, and it just gave reasons, like, what I was telling you earlier today. Yeah. Like, it gave me reasons as to why everything is happening, why people are the way that they are.
Serena:I have a psychology background, so I love analyzing just behavior, period. That's, like, the perspective of how I view astrology too. Like, I'm very much how are these transits affecting, like, human behavior, or how does your birth chart affect who you are, like, as a human?
Barbara:Does it, like, boost, do you think, like, your empathy as well? Like
Serena:Oh, yeah. Astrology? For sure. Yeah. That was a hurdle that I had to get past, actually, because knowing astrology made me way too understanding of a person.
Serena:Yes. But just because you understand doesn't mean that you should tolerate shit.
Barbara:That part. Yeah. Yeah. It got it got real dicey. Yeah.
Barbara:Real bad where I was like, just because I understand everybody so freaking much doesn't get right. You know? So curse
Serena:the curse of knowing astrology.
Barbara:Oh. Should we talk about Venus? She's conjunct Uranus right now. Right now.
Serena:Right now. Yes. I think it's right on top of my descendant. Oh, really? Descendant is 27 degrees.
Barbara:Let's take that in, Mike. Let me see.
Serena:I'm going to pride this I'm pride this weekend. I'm like, am I gonna, like, meet someone, make some new connections? What's happening? That's gonna bring a lot of sudden meetings, sudden breakups. Pride.
Serena:Yeah. I think there's gonna be a lot of people meeting each other this weekend, a lot of connections happening. It brings, like, an extroverted energy, I feel like, to Oh, yeah. Social connections. Oh, yeah.
Serena:Thing with Uranus is, you know, it's a bag of tricks. You never know what you're gonna get. It's not I always say it's not good or bad. It's just unexpected. So
Barbara:Yeah. It's kinda yeah.
Serena:It's exactly gonna get. And it's going through my seventh house of you know, seventh house rules things of close your close personal relationship. So your partner so that is your romantic partner, platonic
Barbara:business partner. Have you been okay since twenty eighteen? Like
Serena:No. No. No. It's it's so crazy, but it's a love hate relationship that I have, and that is just so Uranus, I feel like. Because it's going through my seventh house, and then it's gonna hit my Gemini Venus eventually.
Barbara:Aw. And
Serena:when Uranus moves into Gemini, and I'm like, oh my god. Where's the stable love? Nowhere. Aw. But, yeah, since 2018, I've had three breakups.
Barbara:Venus being in Taurus right now, like, Taurus energy in general, like, I could speak to this. I'm a Taurus moon. Yeah. Always stubborn. Yeah.
Barbara:Stubborn, like, doesn't begin to be enough to describe how won't move a muscle energy Taurus can be if it is comfortable.
Serena:I think Taurus is this can be debatable. I think it's the most stubborn sign.
Barbara:Okay. Okay. Less debatable because I think Aquarius hear me out. I'm stubborn. But I was battling an Aquarius, like my Aquarius friend over something, and they were just immovable.
Serena:In traditional astrology, Aquarius is ruled by Saturn too. It's that too. So cannot change an Aquarius' minds of how they feel about something.
Barbara:I'd love to see an Aquarius and a Taurus go at it.
Serena:Battle yeah. Yeah. Fight it out. So my best friend is a Taurus sun, Aquarius moon, Leo rising. Oh my Fixed.
Serena:Fixed. Fixed. Fixed. Taurus Mars. My god.
Barbara:I love them to death.
Serena:I really do.
Barbara:I love myself. Yes. You know, that Taurus moon, I'm telling you, it's very it takes a lot, like, emotionally for me. Like, if I let somebody in to move the fuck on Mhmm. It's taking years, and it's
Serena:like Oh, yeah. That's long. Big tourist things. I think that's, as a Scorpio rising, that's how I I relate to tourists in that way. Loyal to a fault.
Serena:Like Yes. So loyal that sometimes you stay in situations that has expired.
Barbara:I think Uranus, this transit might have helped Yeah. For, like, sudden shift into that new stable.
Serena:For sure. New topic. Uranus definitely made, tourist placements get comfortable with destabilization.
Barbara:Yeah.
Serena:And definitely shook a lot of Tauruses up because, you know, the thing with transits and aspects is the universe is, like, wants you to move, And Taurus is like, no. Yeah. And the universe is like, well, I'm gonna make you move. Yeah. And it's harder for someone like Taurus.
Serena:That's why these changes feel harder versus, let's say, Uranus and Gemini. Gemini is a mutable sign. I feel like the erratic changes that could be happening to Gemini placements, specifically, when it's touching their their personal placements is they're more flexible. I feel like they can adapt to it maybe a little bit better versus Uranus going through a fixed sign.
Barbara:Yes.
Serena:A fixed sign is hard, like, especially Taurus. With Aquarius, I think Aquarius is stubborn in their mentality, the beliefs and their values that they hold. That if you try to fight them on, like, what they believe is true Yeah. That's a losing battle.
Barbara:Once they've decided, there's really no no sense in saying anything. Yeah. It's so hard. I remember, like, feeling because I was feeling very strong about something, like, really strong about it. Was like, no.
Barbara:And that Aquarius was just like, you thought. It was just a battle. Yeah. Was just like, woah. Like, I learned that dance.
Serena:Whatever their perspective is, you can try and shift it, but they are just seeing like that versus a tourist, I feel like can be like that and also physically too. Come on, girl. Like, just, like, let's go out tonight or or the the plan is switching up. Like, we're not going to the restaurant anymore. We're going to the bar.
Serena:Taurus is like, no. Nope. I made the plan to go to the restaurant. Exactly. Now I'm just gonna stay home.
Barbara:Wanted that chicken.
Serena:Yeah. Yes. Yes.
Barbara:Wanted that chicken. They'll get cranky over food. It's really bad. Like, Taurus energy. Sorry to dog Taurus.
Barbara:Why are we dogging Taurus?
Serena:No. I love Taurus. That's so funny because I love Taurus. A lot of my best friends have Taurus placements. Like, I just love But,
Barbara:like, when it's bad, it's bad. You know? It's just sometimes They just move So slow. Their
Serena:own pace.
Barbara:I think it's been it's been good. It's been a good, like, hey. There's other
Serena:Yes.
Barbara:You can pick another flavored chicken.
Serena:Yeah. Well, I
Barbara:don't know.
Serena:Yeah. Exactly. Because Or something else. That's the thing with tourists too. Like, a lot of times, they just need that exposure therapy that if you, like, were to drag them to the the other bar instead of the restaurant, like, they they have a good time.
Serena:They're have a good time. This isn't so bad. Yeah. Like, oh, okay. Yeah.
Serena:I do like
Barbara:it here.
Serena:Unless they're sleepy. And then it's, like, time to
Barbara:go home. It's a wrap.
Serena:Time to go home.
Barbara:It's a wrap. Everybody gotta go.
Serena:But I understand the getting hangry as a cancer. I'm the same way. Yeah. I used to date someone who had a Taurus moon too. And when we both were hangry, oh, WWE.
Serena:I bet.
Barbara:I bet. What was what was the meal? What was, like, the dish that you fought over? I'm just curious at
Serena:the top too. No. No. It was it was not even, like, a dish. It's just, like, if we both need to eat and we haven't eaten yet
Barbara:Oh, okay.
Serena:Don't speak to me.
Barbara:But, like, was there ever a dish where it was like, if you eat that light last piece of something Honestly,
Serena:in that relationship, no. But I do have a best friend who is a Taurus, and her man is a Cancer moon, and they and they have those arguments. I'm calling her out. They'll they'll fight over food. They're like, did you eat the last?
Serena:Like, I man. No. But in my relationship with the my ex girlfriend and I had a Taurus Moon, I think we both had the understanding that we are food lovers. So we just always made sure that there was
Barbara:food. Abundance. Yeah. Yeah. Like
Serena:or she would buy she's like, these are your snacks. These are my snacks. And Right. It wasn't really, like, an anger thing that if I ate her snacks or and we just always there was always food around, like, or else we
Barbara:would get angry. Not to be true.
Serena:Hope she watches this. This is gonna be so funny. I'm calling her out. So I've been good friends with this friend since I was in middle school. And I remember growing up in middle school and high school, she would always wanna eat everyone else's french fries at lunch or, like, whatever.
Serena:She's like, yeah. Can I try that? Can I try that?
Barbara:Before you Just buy me
Serena:a fork. Okay. But if you go and try and take one of her french fries, she's giving you dead stares. She wants to kill you. Yeah.
Serena:Especially if she hasn't eaten yet. Like, maybe she'll share with you if she's, like, already full and satisfied. Yeah. But, no, do not. Yeah.
Serena:Like
Barbara:As a Taurus moon, I have observed Taurus people, I guess, because, like, I like Taurus energy. Yes. Comforting I've that Mercury. I've observed that Mars. I've observed the different placements.
Barbara:And it's like, food is, like, as much as we always, like you know, it's like the stereotype about tourists, like food, it is it is, like, really that important.
Serena:It's a thing. It is. A hun I think so too for tourists, and I will say cancer placements too.
Barbara:Yeah. 100%. Yes. And cancer placements.
Serena:Food is everything to me. I think cancer more so, like, that nostalgic food. Yeah. Like, basic stereotype. Yeah.
Serena:Like, for me, I'm like, I love a nice, like, home cooked meal or just, like, when I'm craving something specifically, I need that. And then it can it transports me, like, to moments too. Like, I love cooking for people. I think, like, the top two ways of bonding with people is through food and music. Absolutely.
Barbara:I like that about tourists and cancer.
Serena:Mhmm. Me too. Oh my god. Yeah. Bonding over food a 100%.
Serena:Like, restaurants are trying different foods and just enjoying food together. But what else is that? There's some crazy aspects happening right now that I wanna get your opinion on. Like, Neptune moved into Aries. What's Saturn in Aries?
Serena:It's all squaring Jupiter and Cancer. Some crazy times right now.
Barbara:Yeah. That's like like big hitters. Like, Neptune and Saturn together. Like, that's like such opposite energy as well.
Serena:Yeah. They have to Saturn do not like being in Aries on top of Right. Them touching each other's, yeah, very opposite energy. Neptune is, like, the dissolving of boundaries is boundaryless, and Saturn is like, no. We need boundaries.
Serena:We need boundaries. Saturn is like, Neptune is like, I wanna live in a la la land, and Saturn is like, get real.
Barbara:Exactly.
Serena:And then an Ares is like, I wanna do this now. Let's do this now. You're gonna hear what I have to say, and I have an idea.
Barbara:A whole lot of fun, but also a whole lot of Disagreements. Rebuilding after.
Serena:Yeah.
Barbara:I guess the tourists where we're gonna have to Yeah. Something. I mean, destruction right now.
Serena:Yes. Especially with thumbs. Yes. I I keep saying 2025 is, like, a preview year.
Barbara:Yeah. It might be dissolving things honestly that, like, aren't saturnian enough, that aren't structured enough. It's dissolving things that weren't standing on strong legs to begin with. A 100%. You know?
Barbara:Like Yeah. Like, if it's not rooted in Neptunian things, if it's not rooted in love, if it doesn't benefit your community All
Serena:the outer planets, and the outer planets are Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto, and they're all moving and shifting into a different sign. This year, we're getting, like, the sneak peeks because, actually, the end of the year, a lot of those outer planets go back into the their original sign. Mhmm. But in 2026, they're fully gonna be engulfed into a new sign. When we think of outer planets, they're generational planets, so they affect generations and societies of people.
Serena:So when all the outer planets are shifting at the same time into a new sign, it's almost like our society is shifting. And, know, generations of people, we're we're all shifting now. Yeah. Pluto has been in Aquarius for good, but Saturn in Aries, Neptune in Aries, Uranus in Gemini, Jupiter has now been in Cancer, will be there until June 2026. So we're really just seeing a really huge shift.
Barbara:It's it's really a lot. In Aries, like, these two planets, I think spirituality is, like, making a big comeback. Just because, like, fire energy in general is connected to, like, our spirituality. It's our fire. It's our flame.
Barbara:A lot of Aries, like, that are in my that are in my life, like, they tend to be, like, pretty religious. Like, now that I think about it, like, they have some kind of faith.
Serena:And they're very defensive about their their fate as well, which is a big Neptune and Ares thing that I feel like is gonna happen.
Barbara:Yes.
Serena:Because if Ares believe in something, like, they're warrior energy towards it. So Neptune is also rules things of, like, religion and spirituality as well. So I think you're gonna see that energy just expand some more.
Barbara:It's gonna get it's gonna get intense.
Serena:Yeah. Yeah. Like, I believe in this. This is my god. Why isn't that your god?
Serena:This is my spiritual belief. That should be yours. Like, why isn't this your spiritual belief? Like, we're just gonna see more of that, feel like. Fighting over.
Barbara:Yes. Fighting over this.
Serena:Unfortunately, because Ares does the one side of Ares is also rules things of, you know, war and weapons, and it's the warrior, like what we said. So Mhmm. That is the downside. You know, I think a lot of people are going to be fighting in a lot of disagreements over their spiritual Uh-huh. Beliefs.
Serena:But
Barbara:But on the flip side
Serena:Uh-huh. Is, like, courage. Yes. Fiercely defending our spiritual beliefs as well. And need the realization of needing more compassion Yes.
Serena:Is a big thing. Because Neptune is also compassionate, and Aries is a leadership sign as well, realizing that we need more compassionate leaders Yep. In our, society.
Barbara:Think it will be
Serena:a thing. Yeah. Like, okay. Yeah. And and this is in combination with Pluto and Aquarius as well.
Serena:Yeah. You're you're rich. You're famous. You're good looking. Okay.
Serena:But what what are you doing? We Like, I don't care about this anymore. Like, people do not care about that anymore. They don't care if you're rich, famous, good looking. They care about, are you helping people in need?
Serena:Like, we can't afford to buy houses anymore. There's the homeless is increasing. It's bad. Yeah. Things are just getting really bad.
Serena:And it's like, okay. You're rich and famous. What are you doing with with that? We don't care. Exactly.
Serena:Let's do something with it. A lot of people are going to look up to people who move with more compassion.
Barbara:It's waking us up. Pluto in Aquarius. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Pluto, what do you think that's gonna give?
Barbara:Because that's such a long transit.
Serena:I love talking about Pluto and Aquarius because there's just so much I feel like it's gonna bring. I think it's going to bring, like, what I said about, people not caring about superficial shit anymore Mhmm. That they care about because Aquarius rules things of the collective of, like, humanitarian, like, you know, that type type of movement. It's activism. So I think we're already seeing of that happening, going down already.
Serena:A lot of protests happening. That's big Aquarius things. Aquarius people in general with Pluto moving into Aquarius, that's a whole different Yeah. Conversation coming from someone who was a Capricorn moon, and when I Pluto was going over my Capricorn moon was tough. They all It was hard.
Barbara:They need astrology.
Serena:Yeah. Aquarius placements, you
Barbara:should hit us up. You
Serena:might need some help here. You might need some help how to how to maneuver life. Pluto destructs. Pluto transforms, though. So Pluto moving into such a sign that rules the collective, it's that's what it's gonna bring.
Serena:It's gonna, like, destruct a whole society and, you know, rebuild a new one, especially in this country. If he's going through it, it's Pluto's return. A Pluto return, anytime a return planet returns to its sign, it's the old is getting pushed out, and it's almost like a rebirth of a new chapter. And that's literally what's happening in our society, especially this country. A lot of movements, I think, are going to happen, but I think a lot of, a lot more community based things.
Serena:I think people are gonna start, coming together more Yeah. Supporting local businesses Yeah. Supporting each other more community and community wise, which I think was something that has been neglected in this country because we see that in other cultures. Yeah. The quote that it takes a village.
Serena:We see that in a lot of other other cultures. Yep. In this country specifically, I feel like we don't really see that that much. It's a very individualistic.
Barbara:That would be a nice change.
Serena:Yeah. Mhmm. I'm looking forward to that one. Yeah. Friend groups that are going to buy plots of lands and Yeah.
Serena:You know, live together and raise family together. Yes. Commune life. Yeah. I think that is gonna be a big thing overall over the whole world.
Serena:I think so. Oh. Yeah.
Barbara:These outer planets be speaking real big.
Serena:Yeah. Oof.
Barbara:I They speak long term change.
Serena:Yeah. How can we stay in touch with you? What are your socials or things that you're working on currently?
Barbara:Yes. I'm going to start doing workshops at, the studio in Brooklyn called Maha Rose. My first one is actually gonna be on Uranus, and Oh. I am looking for investors. Investors.
Barbara:So if anybody's interested in working with me through each element, I'd be open to that.
Serena:Hell, yes.
Barbara:And then, yeah, I just I wanna continue to build each element, but that's gonna take time. Mhmm. So I'm ready for that journey.
Serena:Yeah. I'm excited for you.
Barbara:On the website. The website is this is eachelement.com.
Serena:Beautiful. No. I'm excited for you. I'm excited for your journey. I see you doing things.
Serena:It inspires me, so I wanna, like, put myself out there. Like, I see you doing, like, webinars, putting yourself in events and, you know, teaching events too and stuff. Like, I love that.
Barbara:So I have been a hermit, truly. I've been a hermit. Mhmm.
Serena:Well, now that you found someone thing that you love and I'm a big believer, I am passion, passion, passion, Scorpio rising. Passion is everything for me. And when you find your passion, like, that should be how you're living life every single day. Like, your work should be your passion or, like, you need to include passion in your everyday life. And I feel like if this is something that you love and you're passionate about, and then it's worth it.
Barbara:Absolutely. That's that's the whole reason for life. Like, everybody should be passionately existing.
Serena:Yeah. Well, thank you again for being on this podcast. I appreciate it. Thank you. And for meeting me on this hot Saturday night.
Serena:It's all good.
Barbara:We had a good time.
Serena:Yes. Thank you.