Duncan and Bo Come True Detective: Night Country – Part Six

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It’s another season finale for Duncan and Bo Come Correct as we wrap up True Detective: Night Country with the delightfully ambiguous Part Six. We once more feel pretty good about our predictions, talk about some false notes that are struck, discuss dogs, and, of course, wallow in all the horror movie references in this episode. Have no fear, Duncan and Bo Come Correct will return!

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Bo: So those reports of signing stuff are then

Bo: maybe true.

Duncan: Well, this is Ennis.

Bo: Nobody ever really leaves.

Bo: Drop it, duncan.

Bo: And.

Duncan: Buck come correct.

Duncan: My er, my older brother, was talking about

Duncan: going to.

Duncan: He's never been to America and he quite

Duncan: fans.

Duncan: He'd go into New York in December for like

Duncan: Christmas and all the rest and I was like

Duncan: not this year.

Duncan: I was like if that was you, I'd avoid

Duncan: America for at least the next year, next

Duncan: year in a bit.

Duncan: I was like that post-election thing,

Duncan: whichever way it goes, there's gonna be

Duncan: fucking anarchist.

Bo: One way or the other.

Bo: Yes, it isit's going to be a real mess, but,

Bo: like you know I mean.

Duncan: Here's the thing Is if, if the Democrats

Duncan: lose, there's gonna be a lot of like yeah,

Duncan: they will like, they will accept the loss

Duncan: It'll be protests in the streets and

Duncan: marches and that kind of shit.

Bo: But that's gonna be kind of the extent of

Bo: it, yeah.

Duncan: A precedent has been set, though, both

Duncan: Right, that you can just like take up arms

Duncan: and erm, you know, the worst that'll happen

Duncan: is that'll take two, maybe three years and

Duncan: you'll do a little bit of time that someone

Duncan: will get you off with.

Bo: So yeah, that sounds sexy.

Bo: I like the sound of that.

Bo: I know, always, always, always, sexy Erm.

Bo: Sobut I speaking of stuff that Speaking

Bo: ofof the sex, no erm.

Bo: So I'm.

Bo: This is my spring break.

Bo: I'm off this week.

Duncan: Woo Spring break.

Bo: Man, I was so fucking tired, I was like I

Bo: was angry at the kids.

Bo: Uh, when I left, With some reason, With

Bo: somelike, it wasn't just like free-floating

Bo: anger.

Duncan: Yep, I do like the version where you get

Duncan: ready to go and just play the game and you

Duncan: know what your problem is.

Duncan: Man I was speaking of, you know what?

Bo: your problem is Steve.

Duncan: You're a real shitting kid, steve.

Bo: But I mean kind of, there are some real

Bo: shitty kids Ermuhlike.

Bo: The reason I was angry was, uh, it was the

Bo: day before spring break started and I was

Bo: like, hey, we're just gonna play a game and

Bo: I'll give you some bonus points.

Bo: It was like awe were playing Balder Dash.

Bo: Have you ever played that before?

Bo: Where you Well.

Duncan: I know what the term Balder Dash means.

Bo: It'sthere's also a variation that Jackbox

Bo: uses called Fibbage.

Bo: But it's basically.

Bo: You're given a real word Yep, that is kind

Bo: of kooky, right.

Bo: And then you make up a definition for it

Bo: and if you guess the right definition of

Bo: the word you get a point.

Bo: You also get points if people believe your

Bo: crazy definition yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay so

Bo: that'sthat's the game and we're having a

Bo: great time, up until sixth period, when one

Bo: of the kids just decides to be a real

Bo: asshole about everything and I'm like

Bo: you're fucking this up, like this whole

Bo: time we had a good thing going here.

Bo: Yeah, like you know how many times do the

Bo: words we're gonna take it easy today come

Bo: out of my mouth?

Bo: Never, fucking, never, because I'm like I

Bo: have a reputation for being kind of a hard

Bo: teacher.

Duncan: And I like that reputation.

Bo: Andbut anyway.

Bo: So sixth period was a bunch of assholes.

Bo: And then my seventh period was a bunch of

Bo: assholes too, and I discovered in between

Bo: that one of the kids had completely ripped

Bo: off the essay.

Bo: He turned in from another class and it

Bo: wasn't AI.

Bo: God bless him.

Bo: He didn't use AI, he just copied it from

Bo: somebody else.

Bo: The problem Good old-fashioned copy.

Bo: I love it, yeah, but the problem was that

Bo: class had an entirely different prompt for

Bo: their essay.

Bo: So when I read it, I'm like this is not

Bo: what your class was assigned.

Bo: So like it was just like this confluence of

Bo: events that really pissed me off.

Bo: And so when I walked out the door on Friday,

Bo: I was just like I was.

Bo: I was angry at the kids for pissing me off

Bo: because I was in such a good mood up until

Bo: the end of the day and I'm like a couple of

Bo: them really fucked it up for me, which you

Bo: know.

Bo: You're like I'm only human right, like I'm

Bo: not going to penalize the kids or anything,

Bo: but sometimes they piss you off, like you

Bo: have kids.

Bo: You know how it is.

Bo: Yes.

Bo: Every time you get a kid will just be kind

Bo: of shitty and you're like, you're being

Bo: kind of a shit and you're making life worse

Bo: for everyone around you right now.

Duncan: My eldest is like too smart for her own

Duncan: good, like at the moment, and she knows she

Duncan: knows she's smart.

Duncan: So the the rebuttals at the moment are from

Duncan: someone that thinks that sometimes she is

Duncan: right, but she forgets that I control

Duncan: everything.

Duncan: So I told her more than one to pick your

Duncan: fight wisely.

Duncan: Yes, like, because like this, this right

Duncan: now, even if you get the moral high ground

Duncan: at the end of this, one iPad is gone.

Duncan: You're not chatting to your friend Like I

Duncan: have.

Duncan: I wield that power right, I am the

Duncan: authoritarian state in this household, so

Duncan: we will do.

Duncan: Wield your words wisely next.

Bo: So yeah, yeah it.

Bo: But you know, again, short sightedness is

Bo: kind of part of the bag when you're talking

Bo: about kids that like we'll just shoot them.

Duncan: Time is nothing like turning your old, you

Duncan: know, I mean.

Bo: I have to remind myself every now and again,

Bo: like you know, this is a 14th of their life.

Bo: Yeah, I mean that's a lot and so.

Bo: So I have to like, yeah, I have to check

Bo: myself every now and again because you get

Bo: so frustrated, because you're like you dumb

Bo: shits, this is important because if you

Bo: don't know this stuff.

Bo: You're going to end up working a job that's

Bo: not going to pay you anything.

Bo: Yeah, and you're going to have to work

Bo: twice as hard or half as much.

Bo: And there's, this doesn't matter, I'm like

Bo: all right, I'll fucking see you the next

Bo: time.

Bo: I need my gutters cleaned, I guess.

Duncan: I tell you right now, one day, 15 years

Duncan: from now, you're going to be like I wish

Duncan: I'd just listened to that class at Mr

Duncan: Randall.

Duncan: Just follow these like that.

Duncan: You don't want to be a footnote in

Duncan: someone's kind of I wish I had have.

Duncan: Instead of yeah, yeah.

Bo: And you know, you talk to people like

Bo: there's, there's a guy that works as a

Bo: partner, that part of the maintenance staff

Bo: at the school, and one of the things he

Bo: says over and over again, like we talk

Bo: about a lot about just how the kids are,

Bo: like you know, they don't listen to shit

Bo: because they know everything.

Bo: And he's like I wish I could tell him.

Bo: He was like man, I didn't grow up wanting

Bo: to work at, you know, a high school

Bo: maintenance job.

Bo: He was like it's not terrible, but that's

Bo: not what I wanted to do.

Bo: Yeah, and he was like but I fucked around

Bo: and at a certain point and you just and

Bo: that's why they're the kids I'm like, look,

Bo: you have to start making decisions about

Bo: what your life is going to be, because

Bo: either you make those decisions or

Bo: something.

Bo: Yeah, yeah.

Duncan: But you know again, mostly falls on deaf

Duncan: ears.

Bo: You try to you try to impart a little

Bo: wisdom, but they're just like but I did,

Bo: like I had a right up a kid that the

Bo: asshole in six period told me that he

Bo: didn't, he didn't care about me or the game.

Bo: I could go fuck myself and I was like, all

Bo: right, cool, yeah, I mean I don't, like I

Bo: don't argue about him.

Bo: Like okay, yeah, I don't argue about him, I

Bo: don't argue about him.

Bo: I mean, I don't like, I don't argue about

Bo: him Like, okay, yeah, like I know where

Bo: this goes and what this means is.

Bo: You will be talking to an assistant

Bo: principal soon and, if I'm very lucky,

Bo: you're going to be gone for about four days,

Bo: which would be great, that would be great

Bo: for all of us.

Bo: But it's like you you talk about the power.

Bo: It's like, you can act out however you want,

Bo: but at a certain point you just get bounced

Bo: out of here.

Duncan: Yeah, that's literally what happens.

Bo: Yeah, so you know, keep it, keep it, the

Bo: fuck up.

Bo: That makes my life easier.

Bo: But over so over spring break, I got to

Bo: tell you another thing I did, yeah, so my

Bo: dog, because you know I go off to school

Bo: and I'm there for many hours and my dog has

Bo: a little bit of separation anxiety.

Bo: And I was talking to the vet about and the

Bo: vet was like hey, there's, there's kind of

Bo: two solutions for this.

Bo: Well, really three.

Duncan: One is you don't leave and that's not, you

Duncan: know, not feasible.

Bo: And the the second one is we give your dog

Bo: a medication, basically dope him up during

Bo: the day, and then comes and then right, and

Bo: the problem isn't giant, it's just he likes

Bo: to chew on pillows and shit like that.

Bo: He gets anxious and chews on shit, but no

Bo: cords or anything super valuable, Like

Bo: every now and again.

Bo: I got to replace a $20 Comforter but, but

Bo: he was like, so we dope him up, or he was

Bo: like but the downside of that is that he's

Bo: not going to be able to get a good reason.

Bo: He was like, but the downside of that is

Bo: you know, you're doping up your dog for no

Bo: good reason and you're not there, if

Bo: there's anything that goes wrong, and my

Bo: dog's a little bit older and blah, blah,

Bo: blah.

Bo: So he was like the final solution, not the

Bo: one you're thinking, the other solution did

Bo: his hands start to levitate up hey?

Bo: Pulling it down like strange love.

Bo: The final solution for your dog.

Duncan: All of a sudden I quieted and you have an

Duncan: access.

Bo: Yeah, it is quite a struggle with your dog,

Bo: I know.

Bo: I have struggles too.

Duncan: I brought them in this book.

Duncan: You may have read a bit.

Bo: But so anyway, the other solution was he

Bo: was like you can try getting another dog,

Bo: Cause he'll just keep him company.

Bo: And he was like, honestly, you've got a dog

Bo: and they're not them.

Bo: Like having two is really not an

Bo: exponential amount of work.

Duncan: Yeah, it's really not like that, like once

Duncan: you understand the effort of one dog.

Duncan: It's not like kids, once you understand the

Duncan: effort of one dog.

Duncan: Two dogs is not that much more More food.

Bo: Slightly more expensive, but you know.

Bo: So I've been auditioning dogs.

Duncan: Like you just Next.

Duncan: Yeah, Like if you get, if you get an

Duncan: audition dog you need to watch yourself.

Duncan: If it comes in, carry in a burlap sack, you

Duncan: get out of there.

Duncan: I was thinking more.

Duncan: Chorus, live like just sitting in a theater,

Duncan: hello honey Right Next.

Bo: I just I don't, I don't like the emotion on

Bo: the sleep Anyway, so, uh, so we've tried

Bo: dog number one, and I wanted to do this

Bo: while it was here for spring break.

Bo: So I had a few days to kind of spend with

Bo: the dog and I was like, yeah, cause it's

Bo: not just Johnson, but there's the cat and

Bo: you know, let's make sure that's not a

Bo: nightmare and that it's not pissing,

Bo: shitting all over the place and that.

Bo: And uh, so dog number one um kind of came

Bo: out of nowhere and cause I was planning on

Bo: doing this actually over the summer and

Bo: then like kind of a friend of a friend from

Bo: school was like hey, I know some people who

Bo: are giving away this beautiful, beautiful

Bo: dog Lab.

Bo: would you be interested?

Bo: I was like I was going to kind of wait but

Bo: I am all for the next few days and that

Bo: might work out.

Bo: So in comes Remy, the chocolate lab for

Bo: Remy.

Bo: I love it and and she's beautiful and sweet

Bo: and like.

Bo: It's like having a little Tasmanian devil

Bo: loose.

Bo: I love it.

Bo: She is just knocking shit over.

Bo: Things are falling off walls, like it was.

Bo: It was fun to have her, but it was also

Bo: like this is not the energy I'm looking for.

Bo: Yeah, she's, yeah, she's a lot, um.

Bo: So Remy goes back and then she's like I'm

Bo: going to go back and I'm like what, what?

Duncan: is this.

Bo: I'm like I'm going to go back and I'm like

Bo: okay, I'm going to go back and I'm like I'm

Bo: going to go back and I'm like I'm going to

Bo: go back and I'm like, okay, so Remy goes

Bo: back, and then we're on dog number two now.

Duncan: Hmm.

Bo: Dog number two is his is named cash Yep and

Bo: so cash, it's cash.

Duncan: It's cash.

Duncan: Tangled she's too.

Duncan: That's the flopping, the plans Did you go?

Bo: for plans.

Bo: Yes, cause when I'm, when I'm thinking is

Bo: as soon as I I like I go to check check out

Bo: the dog.

Bo: Yesterday and as soon as I see the name

Bo: cause it like I went to a shelter and there

Bo: were like three different dogs that look

Bo: like they could be good fits and I wanted

Bo: to introduce my dog to them and see how

Bo: that goes.

Bo: And um, so cash was dog number one.

Bo: Johnson and cash get along pretty well,

Bo: like they're kind of indifferent to one

Bo: another, but it's like, okay, that's fine.

Bo: Um and uh, so cash is coming home, but the

Bo: entire time I knew I was, I was going to

Bo: hang out with this dog cash, and I'm

Bo: thinking of, you know, tango cash.

Duncan: And I like.

Bo: So I'm thinking.

Bo: Well, clearly, cash is not his real name.

Bo: Yeah, the real name of the dog in my head

Bo: is Mary and waggetty, and everyone calls

Bo: him cash.

Bo: I'm so glad you found it as funny as I did,

Bo: Cause I was fucking delighted.

Bo: Duncan, I'm glad you found it.

Bo: I've caught myself because and he's been

Bo: mostly really good, but the couple of times

Bo: that you know he sniffed something and

Bo: acted like he was going to pee on it or

Bo: something.

Bo: Like waggetty, like I'm the chief, you know,

Bo: and it's, it's pretty fun, yeah, so he is

Bo: currently lying by my feet and really

Bo: stinking up the joint because he hasn't had

Bo: his bath yet, um, and he, he smells like

Bo: the fucking pound, um, but he's a, he's a

Bo: real sweetheart of a dog.

Bo: Um, he's.

Bo: He's still freaked out a little bit, of

Bo: course, so, um, you know, we're working on

Bo: the cat thing, but other than that, he's

Bo: been a real dream.

Bo: So, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bo: So it seems like and I was a little worried

Bo: because on the way out they were like, well,

Bo: we've had a little trouble with this one,

Bo: yeah, and they were like, well, he likes

Bo: guns, um, they're, they're like, well, he's

Bo: not good with little kids.

Bo: I'm like that's fine, I don't have any of

Bo: those.

Bo: And they were like well, and and he kind of

Bo: got into it with a dog at another house and

Bo: and he's been fine with Johnson, and so

Bo: that hasn't been a problem.

Bo: And just keep an eye on it and whatnot.

Bo: But so far, so far, so good.

Bo: I got like a two week trial period with

Bo: this dog so I can take him back for a full

Bo: refund.

Duncan: I like how you increased the volume of

Duncan: saying that when you knew it was at his

Duncan: feet.

Bo: Yeah, yeah, that's right, buddy, you can go

Bo: back anytime.

Bo: I don't even have to have a good reason, I

Bo: can just take him back, Um.

Duncan: Oh dear.

Bo: I like it.

Bo: Uh, I think I told you this, but a buddy of

Bo: mine, uh, for my birthday got me that cover

Bo: of national lamp.

Bo: Not the cover, but the whole magazine the

Bo: one with the dog on it.

Bo: And literally it's hanging up in my bedroom

Bo: and last night the dog is is in there and

Bo: looks at that picture and I was like I

Bo: don't.

Bo: Obviously it's a dog and probably is not

Bo: making any sort of association, but in my

Bo: head it's another.

Bo: Like oh fuck, what the this guy got

Bo: pictures like guns pointed dogs later and

Bo: he like what kind of kind of fucked up

Bo: situation am I in right now?

Bo: Am I in a hostel?

Duncan: My, uh, my pug used to a ration, In fact

Duncan: still does it rationally bark.

Duncan: When black people were on the TV and I

Duncan: started a true story, I started Googling is

Duncan: my pug?

Duncan: And I put the, put the R and it all

Duncan: connected to racist.

Duncan: Sure, Um, like straight away, Um, and I

Duncan: haven't been able to work out why.

Duncan: But but then it did occur to me pugs come

Duncan: in two different colors, like that kind of

Duncan: fawny color or black.

Duncan: So I wonder if he sees that and associates

Duncan: it as a punk or or just you know he either

Duncan: that or he is also, and we are then like

Duncan: worshipers of the final solution.

Duncan: I don't know what are the two he might be

Duncan: full on.

Bo: But when he's moving around the room is it

Bo: like little goose steps, Little corgi goose

Bo: steps.

Duncan: Yeah, he does.

Duncan: He does kind of like a poor comes up in

Duncan: front and then like that when he's walking.

Bo: Yeah, yes, I just a real Chris March, which

Bo: you don't normally see in a pug.

Bo: So, anyway, this is done.

Bo: You're welcome, correct?

Bo: We're talking about the finale, duncan, the

Bo: final episode of true detective, season

Bo: four.

Bo: What is a?

Bo: Lopez has visited upon us.

Duncan: Yeah, like ours, I like to call it the

Duncan: episode that broke the Internet.

Bo: You know.

Bo: So this is the lowest rated of all the

Bo: episodes.

Bo: If you look at IMTB, which seems fucking

Bo: crazy to me, yeah it's the lowest rated in

Bo: terms of like people rating online.

Duncan: Yeah, it's the highest watched episode of

Duncan: true detective ever.

Duncan: Sure, yeah, like this, this, like, if you,

Duncan: if you want break it down, there's a lot of

Duncan: people confused as to why it's a Lopez has

Duncan: been given another season of true detective

Duncan: out with the fact that I think she nailed

Duncan: this, and you have to take into account

Duncan: that every single episode week on week

Duncan: collected 15% more viewers over its entire

Duncan: six episodes.

Duncan: Oh, wow, that's impressive that it's like

Duncan: if you break down the, if you break down

Duncan: the numbers, it's a 10 to 15% increase in

Duncan: viewership per episode.

Duncan: That's not overall for the season as per

Duncan: episode.

Duncan: That's nuts.

Duncan: So, yeah, like they locked her in ASAP.

Duncan: Well, that's why that news dropped.

Duncan: What we were talking about on the previous

Duncan: recording, like it was like the finale came

Duncan: out and then two days later it was like

Duncan: she's coming back for another season and I

Duncan: was like that seems a bit quick.

Duncan: And then I did a bit reading the numbers

Duncan: and if you are HBO or Max or whatever

Duncan: they're called now, you lock that down now

Duncan: Because no TV show does that week on week.

Duncan: Well, that's almost unheard of, especially

Duncan: in an anthology terms.

Duncan: Even things like American Horror Story,

Duncan: when it was at its peak, zenith didn't do

Duncan: that.

Duncan: As a TV show carries on, you lose viewers

Duncan: or people forget, or they'll catch up with

Duncan: it in a couple of weeks.

Duncan: I'll bank the episodes or whatever.

Duncan: No, no, no, no, no, no.

Duncan: This 10 to 15% week on week, it's the

Duncan: highest watched episode.

Duncan: The true detective was the finale, but that

Duncan: appears to have come with a little bit

Duncan: internet backlash.

Bo: Well, and you know, for my money.

Bo: I mean, obviously we're going to be getting

Bo: deep, deep into this episode, but deep,

Bo: deep.

Bo: But you know it's a Lopez, I thought,

Bo: pulled off a really neat trick, which is

Bo: use all the stuff from the first season

Bo: that people found fascinating and did the

Bo: deep dives on.

Bo: I do that part of it, but also do these

Bo: like clever.

Bo: You know little winky nods to horror movies

Bo: and then tell your own story and like she

Bo: did all of those things in a way that I

Bo: found really fun and satisfying and

Bo: interesting.

Bo: Yeah, I mean, that's tough.

Duncan: Yeah, there's one or two things that I

Duncan: thought were like clearly clumsy shoe horns

Duncan: from from the first season, specifically in

Duncan: this last episode where I was like right,

Duncan: okay, but I to me, if you, if you do, if

Duncan: you do a little bit of reading on it.

Duncan: And basically and I mentioned this in the

Duncan: first episode that we reviewed she went

Duncan: into HBO with a pitch for a TV show called

Duncan: Night Country and they said we'll love it.

Duncan: How about True Detective, night Country?

Duncan: And apparently she said at the time what's

Duncan: a true detective?

Duncan: And they were like aha, and she went away,

Duncan: she watched season one, she fucking loved

Duncan: season one, and then rewrote the script and

Duncan: put, like you know, put bits in that would

Duncan: kind of give a I think it is less.

Duncan: I look at it, more of it's trying to ground

Duncan: it in the same universe, rather than this

Duncan: is a direct continuation or being joined.

Duncan: I think the comparisons are the things that

Duncan: tie the stuff together is done in a way

Duncan: where I don't think it's egregiously saying

Duncan: you need to pay it, like we mentioned this

Duncan: before, like if you watched season one of

Duncan: True Detective I mentioned at the time,

Duncan: like clearly says that the Russian cold did

Duncan: not die of you know leukemia or whatever it

Duncan: was.

Duncan: He didn't have that.

Duncan: He never had that disease.

Duncan: Yet in season four he had that disease.

Duncan: Tuttle was a smaller regional thing in

Duncan: season one.

Duncan: It's a conglomerate in season four.

Duncan: So it's using terminology, but it's like

Duncan: even the spirals.

Duncan: The spirals go a different way in this

Duncan: season.

Duncan: So it's almost like a mirror of that.

Duncan: And you can go one step further and say

Duncan: season one is in the Texas sun, you know,

Duncan: it's warm, it's humid and all the rest, and

Duncan: this one is vastly dark and cold.

Duncan: It's like it's almost a mirror image and as

Duncan: a result, if you take it that way, the

Duncan: hints of things more horror or esoteric in

Duncan: season one are far more predominant in

Duncan: their horror, and so it's almost like the

Duncan: mirror image of it.

Duncan: So, from that point of view, the fact that

Duncan: two women instead of two guys, like, if you

Duncan: let you go, you go down that road.

Duncan: You want to go one step further, one step

Duncan: even further than that.

Duncan: Who saves the day?

Duncan: This, the women that are wronged so like

Duncan: it's almost a mirror image of season one in

Duncan: a lot of respects.

Duncan: And I think, people, I think there's two

Duncan: things that we need to kind of take into

Duncan: account when talking about tree detective

Duncan: and I think it's more evident now that Nick

Duncan: Pizzalato is no longer there and I think,

Duncan: once we, once we grasp this and understand

Duncan: this, I think, like you either are on board

Duncan: or you're not and the thing I think we need

Duncan: to take into account is there are some

Duncan: people that cannot see past season one and

Duncan: will never be able to see past season one,

Duncan: and that's fine.

Duncan: Season one is an incredible season of

Duncan: television, arguably one of the best ever

Duncan: made.

Duncan: Like, front to back, it's just absolutely

Duncan: incredible.

Duncan: But they can't see past that, right?

Duncan: So like, if it's not season one, then it's.

Duncan: You know, it's a mockery of the name, right?

Duncan: They don't understand what an anthology is,

Duncan: right, there's that.

Duncan: And then there's the other part, which is.

Duncan: I think there's a lot of people out there

Duncan: that did not want this to succeed, because

Duncan: they see this as and my eyes will almost

Duncan: roll in the back of my head and not come

Duncan: back as some sort of woke agenda TV show,

Duncan: because it's all about female empowerment

Duncan: and all the rest, and I think, if that's

Duncan: your read from this when you come away at

Duncan: the end, you are a lazy, lazy, lazy person.

Bo: Yeah, and not understanding that the

Bo: characters in this show are deeply flawed,

Bo: like there's not a hero to be found.

Bo: I mean, there is but it's not like they're

Bo: not like we've got girl power, we can solve

Bo: this.

Bo: It's like they're doing it for their like

Bo: the most human of reasons.

Duncan: Yeah, this is, this is haunted them Like.

Duncan: This is like an actual physical haunting,

Duncan: as opposed to the kind of esoteric content

Duncan: that's in the show.

Duncan: Well, it's a little bit said in an

Duncan: interview kind of post this show coming out,

Duncan: that she wanted to highlight the fact that

Duncan: indigenous women and there's plenty of

Duncan: cases of stories now or everywhere

Duncan: Indigenous women can be murdered, they can

Duncan: be raped, they can phone for help from law

Duncan: authorities and they are completely, they

Duncan: are unseen, they are disregarded.

Duncan: And I think she pulled off maybe arguably

Duncan: the greatest master stroke ever in this TV

Duncan: show by making the most obvious prominent

Duncan: candidates in this one and this season the

Duncan: killers that even the audience disregards

Duncan: all the way right through.

Duncan: We spoke about this in the second episode

Duncan: where I'm like the you know the fingerprint

Duncan: thing, missing fingers, and we're like,

Duncan: yeah, but I would, that was parked and we

Duncan: went off in this.

Duncan: We went off on the fucking, the red wave

Duncan: conspiracy of you know, maybe it's this,

Duncan: maybe it's that be like all done, all these

Duncan: roads and ultimately, when it swings back

Duncan: around to give you its answer, she, she,

Duncan: she hit the nail on the head Like she gave

Duncan: you the most plausible explanation of all

Duncan: really, and it worked.

Duncan: There's a couple of things she's left

Duncan: spooky and I kind of love that about it and

Duncan: I very much am looking forward to see what

Duncan: she does when writing truly a true

Duncan: detective TV show moving forward and not a

Duncan: story that she's caught in true detective

Duncan: into, and that's what I'll say upfront.

Duncan: I thought this landed really really well,

Duncan: so much so that I would rank this as my

Duncan: second favorite no, sorry, third favorite

Duncan: season of true detective.

Bo: This is probably my second favorite season

Bo: overall, nice.

Bo: I really.

Bo: I was talking to a friend at work about

Bo: this, the finale in particular, and she

Bo: kind of summed up, I think, how I felt

Bo: about it, which was I enjoyed the finale so

Bo: much it made me like the rest of the season

Bo: even more.

Duncan: It ties it all in yes, and it was not in a

Duncan: way where it ties it all in and not in a

Duncan: way where you're like, oh yeah, that was

Duncan: the guy that was cutting the lawn, like

Duncan: they do.

Duncan: I forget that every single time that you

Duncan: see him like really early on and he's a

Duncan: back, it's a Scooby Doo thing, you know

Duncan: what I mean?

Duncan: Like you see, like the lighthouse keeper

Duncan: right at the beginning, and then you see

Duncan: him at the end when he's unmasked, or the

Duncan: Jello thing.

Duncan: I mentioned Jello because I've not

Duncan: mentioned it in a while.

Duncan: The Jello thing of it's the character you

Duncan: walked past right at the beginning, like

Duncan: it's that way where it's in front of your

Duncan: face but it's inconsequential, so you

Duncan: disregard it, and then you go in for the

Duncan: big conspiracy, which is far sexier, and

Duncan: then the ultimate reveal is the thing that

Duncan: makes the most logical sense.

Bo: We were asking the wrong questions, duncan

Bo: we weren't in.

Duncan: That was even the.

Bo: I was like oh, I know it was so good.

Bo: It's all a sweet spot.

Duncan: Fosster, by the way, is like hands down,

Duncan: fucking incredible in this episode, like

Duncan: she's given awards.

Bo: She's got a delivery and I've got.

Bo: We'll talk about when we get to that point

Bo: my notes.

Bo: But there is one delivery that she has in

Bo: this.

Bo: That is maybe my favorite Jodie Foster

Bo: delivery ever.

Duncan: She is like just a crock like the whole,

Duncan: the whole arc of her character, not even

Duncan: just in the whole season.

Duncan: Just this episode is chef's kiss.

Duncan: Yeah, it is phenomenal.

Duncan: I was reading, I was reading the like.

Duncan: I've been reading uploads on this.

Duncan: People go that, you know, you know.

Duncan: And surprisingly, Jodie Foster I'm like

Duncan: she's got a fucking Oscar.

Duncan: I mean what we're doing here?

Bo: Don't call it a comeback.

Bo: Like Jodie Foster has been legit.

Bo: Have you ever seen a fucking panic room?

Duncan: Like across the boat, like she does not

Duncan: phone it in.

Duncan: Yes, she's been in some shitty movies.

Duncan: I'm looking at you, elysium, like she's

Duncan: been in some shitty movies but she's never

Duncan: say.

Duncan: Like she always commits to the role and

Duncan: when you hear once again from the reading

Duncan: and all the rest, like Jodie Foster, like

Duncan: had specific views on how she wanted to

Duncan: play this character and one of them was she

Duncan: wanted to age the character.

Duncan: This character was supposed to be younger

Duncan: and she wanted her more age, time, weather,

Duncan: grizzled, narrowed and all the rest.

Duncan: Like she, I think she may have also added

Duncan: the alcoholism in there as well as an

Duncan: element to the character that she brought

Duncan: to the table, which, once again, it's a

Duncan: low-pes Well done.

Duncan: Like you're listening to Jodie Foster,

Duncan: academy Award winning Jodie Foster and her

Duncan: comments on a character and incorporating

Duncan: that in it's just ah well, I mean, there's

Duncan: a reason that you hire Jodie Foster and

Duncan: it's not so that you can tell her how to do

Duncan: her job.

Bo: No no no, no, yes, you have been doing this.

Bo: You've been playing this game for 50 years

Bo: now.

Bo: Yeah, you know what the fuck you're doing.

Bo: What do you think this character needs?

Bo: Great, let's do that.

Bo: Let's do that.

Bo: You know and her instincts are right, like

Bo: this is one.

Bo: Her character is one of my favorite

Bo: characters.

Bo: I think it anything ever.

Bo: I just I love.

Bo: I love how flawed she is and how, yeah, I

Bo: just love everything about it.

Bo: I like I love the fact that she she is

Bo: fighting for a thing because that's what

Bo: there is to do, yeah, and and she fucks it

Bo: up a lot, but she keeps at it and there's

Bo: something like noble about the character.

Bo: Like from the first episode it's like, oh,

Bo: she's going to be like almost the Sherlock

Bo: Holmes kind of character.

Bo: It's like, well, yeah, if Sherlock Holmes

Bo: had a weird sex addiction and was alcoholic

Bo: and has this horrible relationship with her

Bo: daughter and is haunted, yeah, I mean, it's

Bo: just like she's the embodiment of the, the

Bo: line in the episode where she says was it,

Bo: you'd be surprised what?

Duncan: you'd be surprised what humans can overcome,

Duncan: or you'd be surprised what a person can

Duncan: live through, yeah, yeah.

Duncan: Like she is the embodiment of that as a

Duncan: character Like, and why she's saying it

Duncan: like preach.

Bo: And and.

Bo: So we start like we'll, we'll, again, we'll,

Bo: we'll get into this a minute, but you know

Bo: we're just champing at the beat, yeah.

Duncan: Like it's too difficult, not to it's too

Duncan: difficult not.

Bo: To.

Duncan: You're going to ask me what my good is.

Duncan: I have not watched anything bad.

Duncan: My good is Jun two, which is like, hands

Duncan: down, a sci-fi masterpiece as fucking

Duncan: unreal Okay.

Bo: I second I think you said June two and I

Bo: was like what was June?

Duncan: No, june two is July, so that's what that's.

Duncan: It's June, squared I guess you're right.

Duncan: Yeah, doon to Denis Villeneuve, return on

Duncan: to close out the second half of the first

Duncan: book of June.

Duncan: And like, somehow, like proving, I think

Duncan: without a shadow of a doubt now, that he's

Duncan: the finest science fiction director of the

Duncan: last 50 years.

Duncan: This is, this is the murderers row.

Duncan: This guy has now been on is arrival Blade

Duncan: Runner 2049, june and June two.

Duncan: And like it's like, and this one is the

Duncan: most like, austin taste.

Duncan: This is the very definition of blockbuster.

Duncan: It is, it looks gorgeous, it's the hands of

Duncan: our score Maybe my favorite hands of our

Duncan: score the visual effects, the storytelling.

Duncan: Christopher walking plays the emperor,

Duncan: emperor, and he's he's like.

Duncan: You know, like he's Christopher walking.

Duncan: He's not trying to play, he's Christopher

Duncan: walking.

Duncan: He's like when fucking Alexander the Great

Duncan: is played by Sean Connery in time bandits,

Duncan: and you're like.

Duncan: He's like hello, I'm Alexander.

Duncan: And you're like no, you're supposed to be

Duncan: Greek, and he's not.

Duncan: No more worlds to conquer.

Duncan: It's like it's that way where he, where he

Duncan: appears, you just like oh, this is Jim.

Duncan: Yeah, it is absolutely jaw droppingly good

Duncan: and it's going to make all the money.

Duncan: I think this is the one that's going to.

Duncan: I think this is the one that is just going

Duncan: to mean that a Denis Villeneuve can do

Duncan: anything he wants for the rest of his

Duncan: career.

Duncan: Like it's holds I think it still holds the

Duncan: highest rating on IMDB ever given as

Duncan: dethroned Shawshank redemption.

Duncan: Oh wow.

Duncan: And that's literally to meet someone who

Duncan: has not come out of it and said that was

Duncan: incredible, Until now Duncan yeah.

Duncan: I'm actually going to see it on Saturday

Duncan: and I'm excited because oh yeah it's just

Duncan: like there is a scene where there's a

Duncan: section in the movie where you go to the

Duncan: hard corner in homeworld and you're

Duncan: introduced to what is the name of that?

Bo: planning again Lito prime.

Bo: No, that's the tradies.

Bo: I can't.

Bo: It's got a cool name and I can't remember

Bo: the name.

Duncan: Well then it go to anyway, and it's

Duncan: monochrome.

Duncan: Oh, it's just black and white.

Duncan: The whole thing shot black and white.

Bo: Oh, that's fucking crazy.

Duncan: What a great idea.

Bo: So it's so like, the idea being that the

Bo: the atmosphere filters out all kind of no

Bo: idea.

Duncan: You want to fucking explain it and I just

Duncan: sat there and, like my jaw was on the

Duncan: ground, got that right.

Duncan: This is like a like we're going to like

Duncan: once we step out into the sun.

Duncan: It's going to know the shot, using it, does

Duncan: x-ray something I can't remember.

Duncan: There was a big piece on how he he shot I

Duncan: using this technique that you don't usually

Duncan: see and, yeah, the whole scene as you're

Duncan: introduced to is nephew, who was played by

Duncan: sting, and the original one who's played by

Duncan: the did that played Elvis in that Elvis

Duncan: movie, austin and he's introduced and at

Duncan: this point, and the whole planet, like

Duncan: there's a huge empathy or thing where fight.

Duncan: That just is fucking like.

Duncan: You're sitting watching this and you're

Duncan: just like what wait, how did we?

Duncan: What did we?

Duncan: How did it go?

Duncan: Fucking, head explodes everywhere, john.

Duncan: Next, next level, next level storytelling.

Duncan: Getty prime is the yeah, that's the plan.

Bo: Yeah, that's great.

Bo: What a great idea that's.

Bo: That's fucking cool.

Duncan: I will tell you no more about it, but I

Duncan: will say this you will fucking love it.

Bo: I look, you know we've talked about doing

Bo: before, but that much like zodiac, that is

Bo: just a movie that I can throw on and I just

Bo: wallow in.

Bo: Yeah, and it's wonderful.

Bo: I love all the nooks and crannies of it.

Bo: It's just like now I just want to watch

Bo: zodiac again.

Duncan: I'll probably watch zodiac tonight.

Duncan: But I have nothing else I want to bring to

Duncan: the conversation to you as really kind of

Duncan: preoccupied.

Duncan: Pretty much all of my times in the watch

Duncan: now it's just been like this is yeah, yeah.

Bo: So my good is actually a book.

Bo: Oh, I, just a while back I finished this,

Bo: but I want to bring it up again because

Bo: it's so fucking good.

Bo: But, it's a book called Boys in the Valley

Bo: by an author named Philip Frikasi, f R A C

Bo: A S S I, who had never heard of before,

Bo: never read anything by the guy before but

Bo: this is one of my favorite horror novels

Bo: I've read in some time and I usually I try

Bo: to read about two a month, yeah, and anyway

Bo: it's.

Bo: It's a little bit evil dead, it's a little

Bo: bit exorcist and it's a little bit See, if

Bo: you see country I'm out.

Bo: So the premise is it's in like turn, turn

Bo: of the 20th century, so like like early

Bo: 1900s, and it's a Franciscan run or a

Bo: priest run orphanage just out on the

Bo: prairie, you know, kind of a little bit

Bo: away from town, and one night as the snow

Bo: comes in Duncan, some guy shows up with,

Bo: you know, in custody of the police, wounded,

Bo: gravely wounded, and the guy should be dead

Bo: by all accounts, I bet by everyone looking

Bo: at him.

Bo: They're like this dude should be fucking

Bo: dead and he's not.

Bo: And then finally he does die, but only

Bo: after like saying some shit about priests

Bo: and then expiring in a way that knocks like

Bo: a crucifix off the wall and stuff like that.

Bo: And so that's kind of the beginning of it.

Bo: And then a bunch of the kids at the

Bo: orphanage start to act pretty weird and so

Bo: you get this kind of siege moment where

Bo: there are a bunch of these you know orphans

Bo: and you know how I love a good killer

Bo: orphan, but there are a bunch of killer

Bo: orphans running around like being evil and

Bo: shit and a few survivors trying to survive

Bo: this.

Bo: But it's just.

Bo: It's so well written, it's so much fun.

Bo: It's kind of mean spirited.

Bo: Even the end is dark in a way that is

Bo: satisfying without being completely

Bo: nihilistic.

Bo: Anyway, it's super good.

Bo: Eventually somebody will make a bad movie

Bo: of it, but the book is.

Bo: I'm telling you right now, go check out the

Bo: book Boys in the Valley.

Bo: It's.

Bo: It's scary, it's fun, it's thrilling, like

Bo: it's one of those like real page turner

Bo: kinds of books and and was a tremendous

Bo: amount of fun.

Bo: So that's my good for the week.

Bo: I know you said you didn't have anything

Bo: bad, but let me look, I'll take care of

Bo: this, duncan, because I saw Aquaman too.

Bo: Why would you even put yourself through

Bo: that?

Bo: You know, so I'll tell you.

Bo: The reason is is because I'm like, hey,

Bo: this is the last hurrah of that DCEU stuff.

Bo: You know, like the flashes out, aquaman too

Bo: is kind of the last like post James Gunn or

Bo: pre James Gunn DC stuff that you're going

Bo: to get.

Bo: And so it's just curious, like, how do they,

Bo: how are they going to send this out?

Bo: And it turns out with a big wet fart

Bo: because nobody cared.

Bo: And James Wan directing again, which is

Bo: interesting I'm glad he's making his big

Bo: nut.

Bo: And there are moments where it's like, oh,

Bo: this feels like a James Wan kind of thing,

Bo: because this little thing is kind of creepy

Bo: or weird or whatever.

Bo: But it's just, it's.

Bo: It is the most tired ass tired superhero

Bo: shit which, at this point, like that's,

Bo: that alone is tired.

Bo: And this is a tired version of that.

Bo: And it's yeah, it was.

Bo: I fell asleep for a good 20 minutes of that

Bo: during the runtime and woke up and I was

Bo: like I clearly miss nothing, because this

Bo: is, we're just doing more of the same dumb

Bo: shit.

Bo: It's, yeah, it's.

Bo: It's just a real bad movie.

Bo: I'm glad, whatever the new DC stuff is

Bo: going to be, I'm sure it's going to be more

Bo: in the vein of like Suicide Squad the James

Bo: Gunn Suicide Squad which is fun and I and I

Bo: imagine, like the Superman will be more

Bo: earnest and a little more like oh gee,

Bo: christopher Reeves, superman, which is fine,

Bo: like all of that is fine, but honestly, who

Bo: could give a fuck?

Bo: Like, who could care at this point?

Bo: And I go into is the thing that reminded me

Bo: like, oh, I just don't care about any of

Bo: this anymore and I need to never watch it

Bo: again.

Duncan: I did love them.

Duncan: There was a, there was an article it was

Duncan: towards the end of last year where they

Duncan: were saying that superhero movies were

Duncan: underperforming and they couldn't quite

Duncan: work out why.

Duncan: And I was like that because it's four

Duncan: movies a year, every year to the last

Duncan: almost 20 years, I mean audiences will

Duncan: eventually why is horror movie?

Duncan: Because it is different, is one and done

Duncan: for the most part Needless sequels is

Duncan: rising from the grave much like a zombie.

Duncan: I mentioned this, I think, on the last

Duncan: recording.

Duncan: Why on earth anyone thinks it's a good idea

Duncan: to invest money in a black phone to is

Duncan: beyond me.

Duncan: Just give money a different director to

Duncan: make something else that Joe hell's written

Duncan: Like.

Duncan: What would what we do here like?

Bo: It's like slap like from the creators of

Bo: the black phone all over it and like, oh, I

Bo: like that movie.

Bo: Let me go to this other movie, 100% like

Bo: that.

Bo: That's how you get me into the cinema, or

Bo: even smile to where I'm like.

Bo: You know what smile was?

Bo: I really like smile.

Bo: I had a great time with it.

Bo: Don't need a sequel.

Duncan: Yeah, one and done.

Duncan: Yeah, why do we need to?

Duncan: Why do we need something that will not be

Duncan: as good as the thing that we just have?

Duncan: Enough in there that make you remember why

Duncan: you enjoyed the first movie Also why you

Duncan: don't enjoy this one?

Bo: Well, fuck all that noise, duncan, let's

Bo: get into.

Bo: Let's get into detect.

Bo: That's why we're here, that's what we're

Bo: here for it and.

Duncan: Longest ever episode of true detective, and

Duncan: I will say this and to when it comes to

Duncan: talking about this episode.

Duncan: Actually, I don't think we're going to be

Duncan: talking for nearly as long as we've talked

Duncan: about some of the other episodes, I agree.

Duncan: I agree Straight down to business, straight

Duncan: line storytelling.

Bo: So Very much.

Bo: It does like there are.

Bo: There are some things along the way that

Bo: we'll definitely need to dig into you, but

Bo: for the most part, this is like hey, we are

Bo: getting answers to the to the questions

Bo: that have been posed.

Bo: Yes, and it starts off even with them, like

Bo: when last we left our heroes, they were

Bo: driving towards the ice caves Night country,

Bo: if you will and then we we open the show

Bo: with them busting through the ice to get to

Bo: the ice caves and we get the little insert

Bo: like this is December 31st, the 14th day of

Bo: night, and Navarro goes in first, danvers

Bo: comes in behind her, and then they start

Bo: looking around in these ice caves and then

Bo: Navarro, spidey says, start stinging where

Bo: she's like oh, there's a ghost.

Bo: And so like leads Danvers through like all

Bo: these kind of tight spaces and so forth,

Bo: and Danvers is getting real pissed off like

Bo: God damn it, navarro, these are some real

Bo: uncomfortable caves, dr Lecter, let's get

Bo: out of here.

Bo: But but all of this leads them to a

Bo: collapsed tunnel.

Bo: Yeah, dead end.

Bo: Yeah.

Bo: So and Navarro is like I can't you hear her,

Bo: like I can hear Annie calling me.

Bo: I know this is where it happened.

Bo: We've got to figure this out.

Bo: And then, no sooner has Danvers insulted

Bo: her for saying spooky shit again.

Duncan: I hope you fall through the floor as what

Duncan: she says and then all of a sudden she falls

Duncan: through the floor and down she goes like

Duncan: through the floor and Danvers is like all

Duncan: right, are you OK?

Duncan: Listen, dr Lecter, I'm going to go get help,

Duncan: and no sooner does she just kind of lean

Duncan: over the edge of that, and then she's

Duncan: leading over there.

Bo: She's like are you alone down there?

Duncan: Come back, you fucking bitch.

Bo: Yeah, that's what Navarro said.

Bo: Why is this so feel so familiar?

Bo: Wait, wait, do you have not vision goggles

Bo: on.

Duncan: Danvers is like two steps away from telling

Duncan: her how reckless she was, and then, all of

Duncan: a sudden, floor gives away with her as well

Duncan: and she goes face down.

Bo: Yeah she hits hard, gives it a real like

Bo: when she hits, which I really like.

Bo: And as soon as they realize like oh, she's

Bo: OK, they see somebody fly by yeah, they

Bo: think is Clark and they give chase and

Bo: Duncan, wouldn't you know it we end up in

Bo: like an underground ice lab.

Bo: Yes, like fucking die another day.

Bo: And there's a moment I think it's Navarro,

Bo: who's like Danvers, look up, and they look

Bo: up and they see the spiral shape made from

Bo: fossils frozen into the ice above them.

Bo: That's a cool visual.

Bo: And then we go to credits, because you know,

Bo: how do you, how do you get out of that

Bo: scene where it's just like look at this

Bo: awesome shit, just go to the credits.

Bo: So what then?

Bo: After the credits are over, we join them

Bo: back in this kind of underground lab, in

Bo: the cave lab, and the first thing they find

Bo: is a murder weapon.

Duncan: They pick up what looks to be like a drill

Duncan: bit and the drill bit is cross shaped, star

Duncan: shaped or whatever it was, and they're like

Duncan: ah, they remind you anything.

Duncan: So they take photograph for evidence and,

Duncan: yeah, this this would appear to be, if

Duncan: you're, if you're piecing things together

Duncan: on the murder weapon, which means that

Duncan: anarchy died here and Navarro is pissed as

Duncan: soon as she realizes like, oh, this is

Duncan: probably the murder scene.

Bo: She is like stalking around, yeah, like

Bo: fucking Darth Maul.

Bo: And then the sees that there's, oh there's

Bo: this kind of scoop marks by the shelf of

Bo: samples and they pull that out and, sure

Bo: enough, there's a letter that goes up that

Bo: leads into Duncan, the Solol station.

Duncan: So yeah.

Duncan: So how long were they in the caves?

Duncan: I mean, I must have been a while, because

Duncan: this whole ordeal lasts an entire day.

Duncan: The episode is pretty much an entire day,

Duncan: but they must have done something like,

Duncan: because one of the things that struck me

Duncan: about this one is when it's pointed out

Duncan: when fucking mad, crazy German, fucking

Duncan: what is he, yeah, when he was marking on

Duncan: the map like there was no point, they were

Duncan: like, look how close it is to Solol or

Duncan: anything like that at all.

Duncan: It looked to be isolated, but then this

Duncan: cave network could extend for miles, so

Duncan: it's conceivable.

Duncan: They went down there, they follow the caves

Duncan: down because we don't like it A bit of a

Duncan: distance anyway to ultimately be in the

Duncan: Solol station.

Duncan: So we basically have gone kind of full

Duncan: circle with Andy right back where we

Duncan: started, which is kind of awesome, is more

Duncan: ways than one, because as they get out into

Duncan: the Solol station and twisting shots

Duncan: playing again on loop.

Bo: Right, which, of course, jody Foster loves.

Bo: I love this song.

Duncan: Yeah, well, she knows exactly how to get

Duncan: into that cupboard this time, so she ain't

Duncan: fucking around the time.

Duncan: God damn, she's doing it and I'll put you.

Duncan: Listen here, ralph, you can fuck my wife.

Duncan: You can sit in a postmodernistic, bourgeois

Duncan: house, and one thing you can't do with her

Duncan: is one thing I want, and I watch my

Duncan: motherfucking television.

Duncan: Well, she literally opens this cupboard,

Duncan: grabs a fucking thing, tears it out and

Duncan: yeah, there is.

Duncan: Bueller has once again been discontinued.

Bo: There is a cutaway to Danvers house where

Bo: Pete is just cleaning up and taking a

Bo: shower to wash the blood off of him.

Bo: The blood of his father.

Bo: Yes, we will.

Bo: Yes, we will come back to that, but just a

Bo: quick point like oh, that's going on in the

Bo: background of all this other stuff.

Bo: Navarro is tracking these wet footprints

Bo: that lead right into a wall and Danvers,

Bo: meanwhile, is tracking down like she sees

Bo: some door swinging.

Bo: As you know, clark, is that you?

Duncan: Yeah, I'm a federal agent, and hey,

Duncan: starling, did you forget to always check

Duncan: the blind spot?

Bo: always check the blind spot, because she

Bo: doesn't check her blind spot and, as a

Bo: result, she gets trained Well she gets

Bo: locked in a room, like she goes into a room

Bo: and part of the room is that they have like

Bo: a freezer for all these ice cores that they,

Bo: yeah, dug up, and she goes into that room

Bo: and Clark shuts the door on her Right.

Duncan: Instantly.

Duncan: What I thought when this happened is right.

Duncan: This is how the scientists died Like.

Duncan: You know what I mean.

Duncan: Like that's my brain went I was like all

Duncan: right, walking freezer, why did we not like,

Duncan: why is this not been a theory before?

Duncan: Like a blast freezer, like that totally

Duncan: makes sense.

Duncan: That's how they died, turns out.

Duncan: No, I was wrong on that one Look at that in

Duncan: one of the.

Bo: Oh fuck, I love the that whole scene but

Bo: anyway.

Bo: So Clark is now on the loose in the station.

Bo: Danvers is locked up in this core sample

Bo: room and Clark just goes full Jack Torrance

Bo: with.

Duncan: Well, that's it, this whole scene is like

Duncan: so fucking like.

Duncan: I love this a little bit.

Duncan: I really really do.

Duncan: I love the fact that she just on a bash a

Duncan: little bit of that they're shining.

Duncan: Let's tell it, let's just lean right into

Duncan: it Right.

Bo: So he brains Navarro with this fire

Bo: extinguisher.

Duncan: At Mancar others right yeah.

Bo: And then she wakes up while she's being

Bo: dragged also from the show and what she

Bo: does, but in a real nice change of pace.

Bo: Yeah, navarro, like, bust out.

Bo: She finds, like this iron rod in there and

Bo: like and bust, bust out of the core sample

Bo: room, gets out of this freezer and goes to

Bo: find Navarro.

Bo: Who is fucking this dude up and she has to

Bo: stop it.

Bo: She has to like call time.

Bo: She's like don't kill him.

Bo: Jesus Christ Navarro, come on, dr Lector.

Duncan: Yeah, like, in this scenario, the person

Duncan: that you wanted to keep locked up in the

Duncan: blast freezer might be Navarro, like, and

Duncan: then maybe brain Jodie Foster you picked

Duncan: the wrong but like a fucking world champion

Duncan: boxing person this actress she is.

Duncan: She is on top of him.

Duncan: She is smacking the shit of her.

Duncan: But what I love about this is like Jodie

Duncan: Foster.

Duncan: Like Jodie Foster is not saving this guy.

Bo: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Duncan: We need to ask him questions.

Duncan: We're going to ask him questions.

Duncan: Also, before we get to asking him questions,

Duncan: let's leave him with the tortured hills on

Duncan: loop dude Like it's so fucked up, man.

Duncan: The details in this episode are just

Duncan: fucking incredible, yeah.

Bo: So I mean, let's just skip ahead to that

Bo: and then we'll come back to Pete.

Bo: But yeah, so they duct tape him to a chair

Bo: and Navarro is like did you love Annie?

Bo: And he's like yeah, I'd loved Annie.

Bo: And she's like good.

Duncan: And then sticks headphones in his ears and

Duncan: then duct tape, some yeah, and then plays

Duncan: her death video on loop, and then they put

Duncan: the tape over his mouth as well and switch

Duncan: the light off and then go to get a cup of

Duncan: coffee or something, or we're just going to

Duncan: leave him with that and leave him howling

Duncan: without a voice in the dark listening to

Duncan: the death cries of his love.

Duncan: It's just so fucking.

Bo: Yes, it is.

Bo: It's raw.

Bo: I really like it.

Bo: Meanwhile, let's check back in with Pete,

Bo: who's having a grand old time finding a

Bo: tooth embedded in the wall.

Duncan: Most likely his dad's.

Bo: Most likely his dad's from when he shot his

Bo: father.

Duncan: The closest that the molar is, the closest

Duncan: we get to the term more people in this

Duncan: episode, which once again shoots our theory

Duncan: out.

Bo: But yeah, there's no more people more

Bo: people, but it's stuck in the morning.

Duncan: It looks like this I'm kind of need to, and

Duncan: then all of a sudden fucking like in Nevada

Duncan: not in Nevada Danvers kid comes in.

Bo: Leah, yeah, it shows up and it's just like

Bo: yeah, you know, is is Danvers around, like

Bo: we had a fight, and he's like no, no,

Bo: everything's cool here, just just cleaning

Bo: up around the house.

Bo: Yeah, make myself useful, no big deal.

Duncan: He's standing awkwardly like Tom Sivir does

Duncan: and from the still dawn after being bitten

Duncan: yeah.

Bo: And Leah clocks it right away.

Bo: She's like what is wrong with you?

Bo: What's going on here?

Bo: He's like, well, you know just everything

Bo: going on with Kayla right now.

Bo: And she's like, oh yeah, I guess that's

Bo: cool.

Bo: And then he's like you know what?

Bo: In fact, can I just take you back there,

Bo: cause the idea of them being alone on New

Bo: Year's Eve kind of bumps me out.

Bo: It would make me happy if, like you're not,

Bo: like Danvers isn't here, she's off doing a

Bo: work thing, why don't I take you back there?

Bo: And then you, you're there to keep her

Bo: company and et cetera, and she's like uh, I

Bo: guess yeah maybe yeah, and it looks like

Bo: you want me to turn my back for a couple of

Bo: seconds.

Duncan: That seems a new route.

Duncan: Let me just face it over.

Duncan: Like cause, as soon as she turns to walk

Duncan: out, he's like writer and grabbing the

Duncan: tooth.

Duncan: Go fuck him.

Duncan: He just fuck him up, steam.

Bo: Steam clams.

Bo: You say, yes, sir, that's what you call

Bo: hamburgers.

Bo: Yep, Steamed hams, um, anyway.

Bo: So yeah, like you said, there's a quick

Bo: like yawink as he grabs this tooth, uh, off

Bo: the wall, which is, like you said, it's

Bo: just a really gnarly detail to include.

Duncan: It's super gnarly detail, like you've just.

Duncan: You've just washed your father's blood off

Duncan: you.

Duncan: After, like, wrapping them up in plastic,

Duncan: like she's a lot of fucking parm, I'm

Duncan: putting her in the back of a vehicle to

Duncan: bury somewhere.

Duncan: I like you've just got through all that.

Duncan: You're like, and then you got to deal with

Duncan: this shit and just as you're getting ready

Duncan: to go dispose of your dance board, you turn

Duncan: around and he's fucking tooth's embedded in

Duncan: the wall.

Bo: We'll get to a discussion about this later

Bo: that I dearly love Cause Navarro does not

Bo: fuck around.

Bo: She's just like he's fucked for life, isn't

Bo: he?

Duncan: Yeah.

Bo: Yeah, we'll talk about that, anyway.

Bo: So, uh, so he does take Leah back to uh

Bo: Kayla's place.

Bo: She runs in and then out comes Kayla right

Bo: away, cause she knows there's something up

Bo: Right, and he's like, look, I, I know this

Bo: is fucked up, but there's a thing that I've

Bo: got to do.

Duncan: And I can't tell you what's Danvers, what

Duncan: you're doing, and she's like Danvers didn't

Duncan: do anything.

Duncan: It's me, yeah, this is me.

Bo: Yeah, Um, and as he's telling her like, hey,

Bo: once this is done, I'm with you a hundred

Bo: percent, but I got to do this thing.

Bo: And before he can even get it all out, like

Bo: she kisses him and she's, she says uh, look,

Bo: just come home.

Bo: Yeah, when all this is over, just come home.

Bo: And so then we go back to Salal as the

Bo: storm by the way, I don't know if we

Bo: mentioned this, but like there's the storm

Bo: going on outside- massive Arctic storm,

Bo: which you saw at the end of the previous

Bo: episode that they were driving into.

Duncan: but this thing is fucking hellacious, Right.

Bo: Yeah, and they make the point like, hey, we

Bo: can't go home, yeah, until this is over,

Bo: yeah, and so, uh, they're as, they're stuck

Bo: there and they're playing.

Duncan: You know, the horrifying video for this

Duncan: dude in the tape to the chair Danvers is

Duncan: eating funyons, which remember we mentioned

Duncan: funyons right back in the first episode,

Duncan: with the delivery driver bringing it.

Duncan: So she's having funyons.

Bo: Um uh.

Bo: Navarro, on the other hand, opens the

Bo: fridge and out rolls an orange, and we

Bo: learned that her mother loved oranges and

Bo: there's kind of a significance to that.

Bo: Yeah, and Danvers meanwhile sees this bit

Bo: of glass on the floor and we get a split

Bo: second flash to her, like walking along the

Bo: pavement where there's a lot of broken

Bo: glass.

Bo: Yeah, just for a second.

Bo: And then when we cut back to her, she's

Bo: kind of picked it out of her shoe and it's

Bo: thrown it.

Bo: And this is where Navarro says so is prior

Bo: fucked for a life?

Bo: Yeah, that's how she puts it.

Bo: And and that's where Danvers is like maybe

Bo: I don't know, and she says it's crazy, the

Bo: shit that we survive.

Bo: Yeah, um, but now they're ready.

Bo: There's a moment where they're like so you

Bo: think he's good?

Bo: Yeah, let's go talk to him, and so they do.

Bo: They, you know, unceramodiously rip the

Bo: duct tape off his hair, which I was like.

Bo: This may be the most painful thing in this

Bo: whole episode, but, um, and he's ready to

Bo: talk now.

Bo: Yeah, so he tells them that he did not kill

Bo: Annie.

Duncan: What I love about this.

Duncan: Well, this is the theme of this entire

Duncan: season is the stories that we tell.

Duncan: Yes, and we've had this all the way through.

Duncan: I once got to read some people complaining

Duncan: about the fact that you know he's saying

Duncan: one thing, but the, you know the, the, the,

Duncan: the, the, playing kind of both sides here

Duncan: by showing you one version of the truth and

Duncan: his version of how he's like, the way he

Duncan: tells that is his story, as if they've not

Duncan: used this technique before in this season.

Bo: Like they literally have on on the wheeler

Bo: case, yeah, or that it didn't begin with a

Bo: made up quote about an unreliable narrator.

Duncan: Yeah, at least all at a time as a flat

Duncan: circle, but, um, they've been all the way

Duncan: through it.

Duncan: But yeah, like the stories, the, the story

Duncan: that he tells is not what you as the

Duncan: audience see.

Duncan: So here is narration over actually what

Duncan: happened.

Duncan: What you find out, Bo, is kind of what we

Duncan: had pieced together.

Duncan: Once again, I love the fact that we kind of

Duncan: worked out a lot of this.

Duncan: May not put all together at the end, but

Duncan: the show really did dangle a lot of really

Duncan: obvious shit in front of us, um, and we

Duncan: just didn't ask the right question.

Bo: Yeah, I feel like we mostly got it right

Bo: from way early on.

Duncan: Like so much of the stuff we got earlier,

Duncan: and I think it's just because we are

Duncan: preconditioned to watch things and try to

Duncan: extract every nuance.

Duncan: Yeah, um, but yeah, ultimately what

Duncan: happened is the clip that we'd seen on the

Duncan: phone, right of her screaming, is a small

Duncan: segment of her death, and it was in that

Duncan: room.

Duncan: Below we find out that she was in a

Duncan: relationship with Clark.

Duncan: We already knew that.

Duncan: However, she somehow got into the facility,

Duncan: thus once again validating her theory that

Duncan: maybe she was using him to get access.

Duncan: She's an activist, after all.

Duncan: Maybe she was already piecing things

Duncan: together.

Duncan: She needed access to Salal, so she started

Duncan: seeing Clark, who seemed a bit unstable

Duncan: anyway, so she got in there.

Duncan: During her time checking around, she

Duncan: managed to find the access to the lab and

Duncan: when she went down there, she found all

Duncan: these papers that ultimately proved that

Duncan: the scientists were actively and this is

Duncan: from his thing, because they're asking him

Duncan: about what the station does and he's like

Duncan: we found the cure.

Duncan: We found the thing, the enzyme, the

Duncan: organism, whatever we want to call it Like

Duncan: it cures everything.

Duncan: We found it, but we couldn't extract it in

Duncan: good enough quantities in order for us to

Duncan: do this.

Duncan: But what we did find out is actually the

Duncan: mine.

Duncan: It's pumping all this pollutant in the

Duncan: water.

Duncan: It's actually raising the core temperature,

Duncan: which is making it easier for it to do so.

Duncan: We kind of just turned a blind eye at that,

Duncan: fabricated some shit In order to do it.

Duncan: She found this evidence that basically the

Duncan: mine is the thing which we already knew,

Duncan: which is behind all the stillbaths, all the

Duncan: problems and all the rest, and they were

Duncan: covering up Her finding this.

Duncan: She then starts breaking the ice core

Duncan: samples which the main guy, the head guy,

Duncan: the guy who died in the worst pain in the

Duncan: hospital room he found her doing that and

Duncan: he just flipped and he did the old Sean

Duncan: Connery from, was it?

Duncan: It's not Gorillaz in the mist?

Duncan: Is it Gorillaz in the what's the movie

Duncan: where Sean Connery finds the cure for

Duncan: cancer?

Bo: Oh, Medicine man with.

Duncan: Lorraine Brocco.

Duncan: Found the cure for the plague on the 20th

Duncan: century, I've lost it.

Duncan: Yeah, like, so, like he.

Duncan: Basically, he sees this and he grabs the

Duncan: first thing he can find, star-shaped chisel,

Duncan: starts stabbing her.

Duncan: She screams out.

Duncan: Clark hears this.

Duncan: Clark wakes up, runs through, runs down,

Duncan: sees her, tries to pull him off.

Duncan: He smacks her.

Duncan: Then apparently all the scientists come

Duncan: down and it's a real kind of well, let's

Duncan: just hold her down, let this guy finish it.

Duncan: And this is what we're seeing.

Duncan: So once again we're seeing the validation

Duncan: of that part of the story when he says that

Duncan: you know, the all attack to the held him

Duncan: down and I had to watch it.

Duncan: That's what happened.

Duncan: Well, he doesn't tell them, but what we get

Duncan: to see, boy, she's not actually fucking

Duncan: dead.

Bo: Right, well, because Clark is like clean

Bo: air up, like, oh, this should never have

Bo: happened.

Duncan: Yeah.

Bo: She kind of wakes up and starts clawing at

Bo: him, yeah For help, and he uses that same

Bo: shirt or whatever he has, yeah To smother

Bo: her.

Duncan: Yeah, it does the old.

Bo: Yeah, yeah, speaking of Nicholson, he gives

Bo: her the old cuckoo's nest.

Duncan: Oh, 100%, yeah, Like he basically strangles

Duncan: her to death.

Duncan: So she died of asphyxiation and he's the

Duncan: guy that does it, but he doesn't tell them

Duncan: that and actually, right to the point that

Duncan: he dies, he's still claiming that he loved

Duncan: her and he didn't kill her.

Duncan: So once again, that's a detail that we now

Duncan: know that the detectives don't know.

Duncan: But I mean, I think the fellow that he's

Duncan: responsible, even by proxy, by virtue of

Duncan: not, he's an accessory, even if the worst

Duncan: case, like the best case scenario, is an

Duncan: accessory, worst case is a murderer and

Duncan: Navarro asks him about the tongue.

Duncan: Yeah, so he says that.

Duncan: He says like.

Duncan: He like they're like why did you cut out

Duncan: our tongue?

Bo: And he's like oh, we never did that Right

Bo: Right, Right, Like we did a lot of fucked

Bo: up stuff, but we did.

Bo: We did not take her tongue.

Duncan: But the situation, the insinuation, is well.

Bo: He says they sent a cop to move the body.

Bo: Maybe he did it as a warning to others.

Bo: So the insinuation is hank did it.

Bo: But like that doesn't really hold water,

Bo: but neither does that.

Duncan: That's what I kind of love about this

Duncan: episode.

Bo: Yeah.

Duncan: Right there's.

Duncan: There's been a lot of confusion about the

Duncan: tongue Right and I was trying to find the

Duncan: best way to articulate this as something as

Duncan: to the symbolism behind the tongue Right,

Duncan: and the best I could get is a quote from

Duncan: and I took a screen grab of this because I

Duncan: was very proud of myself is a quote from

Duncan: famous Game of Thrones author, george RR

Duncan: Martin.

Duncan: He says that when you tear out a man's

Duncan: tongue, you're not proving him a liar, but

Duncan: only telling the world that you fear what

Duncan: he might say.

Duncan: So the tongue in this season like I once

Duncan: again did a bit deep diving and Isabel Pez

Duncan: is based at the said the tongue symbolizes

Duncan: Annie Kay's voice.

Bo: Yeah, that's how I took it.

Bo: I hadn't read that, I'm just smart.

Duncan: No, that's what it means and as a result,

Duncan: it holds no more symbolism in this than

Duncan: that.

Duncan: Yeah, cool effect.

Duncan: There's a kind of cool ghostly detail to

Duncan: put here, but she doesn't feel the need to

Duncan: answer that question at all, and you know

Duncan: what?

Duncan: I'm fine with that.

Bo: Yeah, I mean, if it is, you know,

Bo: presumably the spirit of Annie Kay it is it

Bo: is a way for her to speak, to say, like you

Bo: are, you are on my case now.

Duncan: Yeah.

Bo: Like you know when, when you are

Bo: investigating the death of these men.

Bo: But you can.

Duncan: You can tie all this.

Duncan: Like you said before, no one the whole

Duncan: season is the unreliable narrator Like this

Duncan: could very well, when we find out who the

Duncan: killers are, they could have easily, like

Duncan: the tongue could have been cut out and put

Duncan: beside the body as a you know snitches get

Duncan: stitches, sort of thing, and they could

Duncan: have found the body, taken that and kept it

Duncan: as a.

Duncan: One day when we find, we will place, even

Duncan: though they will get to, even though the

Duncan: murderers claim that they don't know

Duncan: anything about the tongue, that doesn't

Duncan: necessarily mean they don't know anything

Duncan: about the tongue.

Bo: You're right, yeah, I mean you're right.

Bo: Like again, we can't be sure of this, yeah,

Bo: but like it can be explained.

Duncan: It can be explained.

Duncan: It just can't be explained by virtue of

Duncan: someone in the episode seeing.

Duncan: They did or didn't.

Duncan: Yes, but yeah, you could easily squirrel

Duncan: that way.

Bo: So so I like this moment very much as well,

Bo: where Navarro says say again that you love

Bo: Danny Kay and he's like I loved her.

Bo: And as soon as he does, navarro pulls her

Bo: gun and Danvers just turns around and is

Bo: leaving.

Duncan: Yeah.

Bo: Navarro is like aren't you going to try to

Bo: stop me?

Bo: And she's like nope.

Duncan: No, you do what you got to do.

Duncan: I'm going to try to stop me this time.

Duncan: I think is what she says and she's like

Duncan: nope.

Bo: And so we do get that.

Bo: We get some resolution on this of what

Bo: happened in the Wheeler house, because

Bo: Danvers leaves and we get the flashback

Bo: again of the dude sitting in the chair

Bo: whistling, twist and shout, and Navarro

Bo: comes back without having shot so, Clark,

Bo: worth pointing out and Danvers says you

Bo: know, I was about to do it when you shot

Bo: him, Wheeler, I mean.

Bo: And we get this moment that happens in the

Bo: Wheeler house where, after you know, he's

Bo: grinning and whistling and Navarro not

Bo: Navarro but Danvers is kind of very slowly

Bo: lifting her gun.

Duncan: Yeah.

Bo: And before she can do it, navarro, just

Bo: like, pulls her gun and fires.

Duncan: Yeah, reflex.

Duncan: It's like that is very, very, very quick.

Bo: And yeah, so we kind of wrap that up as far

Bo: as we also get the detail, although it's

Bo: not really explained.

Duncan: We get the detail of a baby crying yeah,

Duncan: yeah, yeah.

Duncan: And once again I've read a few things where

Duncan: this upset a few people because it's not

Duncan: actually passed out and what I like.

Duncan: Once again, what I took away from this is

Duncan: them fabricating.

Duncan: The evidence is kind of twofold.

Duncan: One it's you know it's them covering the

Duncan: tracks and putting a guy who clearly wasn't

Duncan: fucking a nice dude, kind of putting a bow

Duncan: on that story.

Duncan: But the other thing I kind of took away

Duncan: from it was is it easier for that kid to

Duncan: grow up thinking that their mother was

Duncan: murdered or their mother committed suicide?

Bo: Right, and their father like hey, you're.

Bo: If the, if the story is your mother was

Bo: abused and murdered and then your father

Bo: killed himself because he could not live

Bo: with it or whatever, yeah, Then that's

Bo: probably a better story than hey, she

Bo: committed suicide and then oops.

Duncan: Yeah.

Bo: We got that a little wrong.

Bo: We read the the room.

Duncan: So, yeah, I like that's how I took that.

Duncan: Once again the Internet, the Internet, the

Duncan: Internet.

Bo: So so when we come back to Danvers, she's

Bo: peeling an orange and a spiral just exactly

Bo: the same way that Navarro's mom used to

Bo: peel them.

Bo: And the orange falls and we get a moment

Bo: where we see like frost on the ground where

Bo: the tongue was.

Duncan: Yeah.

Bo: And in a very funny moment, danvers is like

Bo: this this looks like a supernatural clue,

Bo: dr Elector.

Bo: and then Navarro comes in and she rises up

Bo: really quickly and bangs her head on the

Bo: like the underside of the table and gives a

Bo: good fuck, which I really like, and but yes,

Bo: she leaves a spiral behind on the plate,

Bo: just just like you know Navarro's mom and

Bo: also the spiral that we keep seeing, she

Bo: also grabs a bottle of absolute on her way

Bo: out, which is, you know, good, Well, well,

Bo: well, well, well, well, well, Well, well,

Bo: well, well, well.

Bo: And they go to question Clark some more,

Bo: because the one thing we don't know is OK,

Bo: we know Annie Kay was killed there, but we

Bo: still don't know what happened to the men.

Duncan: Yeah, what she like to me is all I've been

Duncan: screaming at my TV for about the past 10

Duncan: minutes.

Bo: So that fucking ask him a bit more than the

Bo: so, and so we do, and Clark says, like he'd

Bo: been seeing Annie Kay and she and he knew

Bo: that she was going to come for him.

Bo: Yeah, and so when whatever happens, happens.

Duncan: Yeah, you know, when the base, when he felt

Duncan: that presence and the power, went out, he

Duncan: licked it yes.

Bo: To the shaft with the hatch.

Duncan: Yeah, and got on the other side of the

Duncan: hatch, so in the tunnel underneath and held

Duncan: on for dear life as he could hear the

Duncan: banging on top and these like the howling

Duncan: sounds and all the rest, all this commotion,

Duncan: and he claims that he is down there for

Duncan: days, which would track.

Duncan: I also love the fact that Danvers like

Duncan: suddenly puts it together Like this dude

Duncan: was here when we were here, like when we

Duncan: were, that he was all he was.

Duncan: He's been here the whole fucking time

Duncan: during this investigation.

Duncan: We didn't know about this thing.

Duncan: But also he came out for food when the

Duncan: delivery driver came through.

Duncan: So he doesn't actually know what happened

Duncan: to his colleagues.

Bo: He thinks the Vans for Ghost of Anarchy

Bo: came and claimed them Right and tried to

Bo: open the hatch, like he was holding the

Bo: hatch closed and and had gone to look for

Bo: Otis Heist to figure out how to survive.

Bo: Annie and Danvers is like.

Bo: Well, that doesn't make any sense, dr

Bo: Lector, because you know he had quit long

Bo: before that and the event that he survived

Bo: was long before Annie was even born.

Bo: And that's when and this, I think, is a

Bo: little ham-fisted this may be what you were

Bo: talking about when, when, he's like yeah,

Bo: but Tom is a flat circle man and we're just

Bo: stuck in it.

Duncan: Yeah, and like I, don't know how much of

Duncan: that, though, like this is.

Duncan: This is like I think.

Duncan: Go and listen to an interview with Issa

Duncan: Lopez.

Duncan: She's a very, very, very playful person,

Duncan: right.

Duncan: She's a big personality, and part of me

Duncan: does feel like she watched that for season.

Duncan: She fucking loved that for season.

Duncan: She maybe spent I don't know five minutes

Duncan: checking YouTube videos and she just saw

Duncan: how much of a cultural phenomenon that is.

Duncan: It was like that.

Duncan: I'm going to fuck with it.

Duncan: So I would not surprise me if that's a

Duncan: little.

Bo: Yeah.

Bo: Yeah, I mean kind of fine right, Like it's

Bo: not my favourite line.

Duncan: Yeah, it didn't upset me because they

Duncan: didn't handle it in the same way as it's

Duncan: handled in season one, like had they really

Duncan: went and like remember, like season one,

Duncan: like the time as a flat circle is all

Duncan: leading up to the fact that they end up

Duncan: hunting the wrong person, they end up

Duncan: killing the guy who is a murderer and is

Duncan: the meth cooker or whatever.

Duncan: You know that whole thing about the monster

Duncan: appearing and all the rest.

Duncan: That's where that comes from.

Duncan: That time as a flat circle is the bodies

Duncan: are appearing again because we didn't do

Duncan: our job right and evil will come up like

Duncan: that.

Duncan: And the case of this one, it's a throwaway

Duncan: line by someone who's mentally broken, who

Duncan: is like a well read and I believe that

Duncan: Clark read Nietzsche more than I believe

Duncan: that fucking.

Duncan: You know some of these backwards

Duncan: hillbillies have read fucking books on

Duncan: Carcosa.

Duncan: You know, I mean it's like it didn't bother

Duncan: me, I just kind of felt like it was, it was

Duncan: the obvious line to take from season one.

Duncan: You know, I mean I don't know if he said

Duncan: like I can smell it in the psychosphere,

Duncan: that would have more of an impact.

Duncan: I mean whoa, but you know it's clumsy, but

Duncan: it's not fucking because of that lane in

Duncan: the years.

Duncan: That the best thing I've ever seen.

Bo: Yeah, I mean one.

Bo: One false note in this episode is not going

Bo: to throw me off.

Bo: No, of course not, but you sure enough.

Bo: Danvers leaves on that note and and Clark

Bo: tells Navarro like go ahead and kill me or

Bo: let me do it.

Bo: Yeah, danvers meanwhile goes to lie down in

Bo: one of the you know crew quarters or

Bo: whatever and finds a crucifix in her hair.

Bo: So supernatural shit afoot.

Duncan: Yeah, for those not keeping count, the

Duncan: crucifix is the symbol of Navarro's mother,

Duncan: which has appeared several times in this

Duncan: season thus far in weird situations.

Duncan: But this to me, shows that it's kind of the

Duncan: supernatural element is now crossing over

Duncan: Like.

Duncan: So this is now, this is like we all at the

Duncan: moment.

Duncan: So far, most of the supernatural stuff, if

Duncan: not all of it, has happened to Navarro, and

Duncan: that's including the stuff that affects

Duncan: Danvers.

Duncan: So hold them communicating and all the rest.

Duncan: This is the first time, like we are so

Duncan: close to whatever event that's actually

Duncan: affecting Danvers.

Duncan: So Danvers is finding something that she

Duncan: can't, you know, can't square away, because

Duncan: how could she?

Bo: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bo: Well, and we'll come back to this the whole

Bo: question of the supernatural in this.

Bo: But, there is a pretty good shot of Pete

Bo: taking the bodies out to visit Rose as the

Bo: street lights are going out, which is very

Bo: cool.

Duncan: It's just a great shot.

Duncan: Yeah, Rose, in this episode as well.

Duncan: I'm just like man.

Bo: she, like Rose, keeps it real, and that's

Bo: what I like about her.

Duncan: It's going to be one of those nights, isn't

Duncan: it?

Duncan: Yeah?

Bo: Oh, we'll get, we're almost there.

Bo: So Danvers, meanwhile, wakes up from like

Bo: this dream vision where she sees her, her

Bo: boy Holden, and then here's some screen,

Bo: mommy, and then she wakes up and the first

Bo: thing we realize is like oh, she can see

Bo: her breath here and the power is out in the

Bo: station and the temperatures falling fast.

Duncan: Yes.

Bo: And you know if, if, as soon as the fires

Bo: go out, we're not going to survive.

Bo: Maybe we shouldn't, but Danvers goes to

Bo: find a bar.

Duncan: I do see her breath, though, so she can't

Duncan: be the thing that's right.

Bo: Navarro on the other hand.

Bo: But she goes to find a borrow and finds her

Bo: outside, where Clark is now frozen and dead.

Duncan: Yeah, he's what we like to call pulling a

Duncan: thorns.

Bo: Yeah, it is.

Bo: And then you know some swing music plays

Bo: and we see him in a picture.

Duncan: He's always in the gold room in 1921, but I

Duncan: don't know if you knew that.

Bo: Yes, he's always been the caretaker in

Bo: Salal.

Duncan: Well, the thing is like she obviously she

Duncan: thinks Navarro forced him out to freeze to

Duncan: death.

Duncan: And this is where everything gets a little

Duncan: bit, a little bit esoteric, a little bit, a

Duncan: little bit spooky a little bit from the

Duncan: other side.

Bo: Well, yeah, I like that.

Bo: The way she puts it is that first and

Bo: brother fucker out.

Bo: There is only witness.

Bo: We have Dr Lector and Navarro is like I

Bo: didn't do that to him.

Bo: Yeah, like I didn't make him go out there.

Bo: The that's how I found him and, by the way,

Bo: I'm going to go find a backup generator

Bo: because it's getting fucking cold.

Duncan: Yeah.

Bo: And so she goes to work on the generator,

Bo: which doesn't start.

Bo: But we do get a good glimpse of Annie Kay

Bo: All goously behind her.

Bo: And then, upstairs, danvers is getting some

Bo: ghosts of her own when this busted hub cap

Bo: rolls by the doorway.

Bo: She's looking, looking out.

Duncan: Yeah.

Bo: And then we come back down to Navarro, who

Bo: is now seeing the ghost of Clark that's

Bo: doing the whole like shutter thing and says

Bo: she's awake, which suggests that, oh, he is

Bo: the kind of ghost that is just repeating

Bo: what's happened in the past.

Bo: So you know, of the three kinds of ghosts,

Bo: we have the one that just repeats, yeah,

Bo: which is Clark here.

Bo: We have the one that is trying to give a

Bo: message even if you don't want to hear it,

Bo: which is holding, and then we've got the

Bo: ghost that you just and you're trying to

Bo: take you with you right, which seems to be

Bo: Julie.

Bo: Yes, but we'll.

Bo: We'll get to that in a second, but yes, so

Bo: all right.

Bo: So Pete then shows up at Rose's place, and

Bo: this is where he he's like hey, I need you

Bo: to take me where Julie is.

Bo: I've got somebody who's going the same

Bo: place.

Bo: And that's the point where she says it's

Bo: going to be one of those nights.

Duncan: One of those put two bodies on ace nates.

Bo: No, no, yeah.

Bo: Rose has a line that I'm like what the fuck

Bo: have you been up to, rose?

Bo: Like, yeah, it's, she knows a little bit,

Bo: but we'll get to this anyway.

Bo: So Navarro and Danvers are now huddled

Bo: around a fire, and it because there's no

Bo: power in the place and they're just trying

Bo: to stay alive until the storm lets up and

Bo: they can get out of this place.

Bo: And Navarro says you know, there's just

Bo: something out there that's calling me, and

Bo: I just want to tell you that you know what,

Bo: when I see hold in, yeah well, she says

Bo: there's something out there that's calling

Bo: me.

Duncan: And then she goes to talk about her sister

Duncan: and, like Jody Foster, lays in hard that

Duncan: your sister was weak, she couldn't handle

Duncan: it.

Duncan: You're strong, you can handle it.

Duncan: You don't walk out on the ice.

Duncan: This is about to 180 pretty quick in this

Duncan: episode.

Duncan: Yeah, she will, she will, she will turn on

Duncan: that statement Pretty fast because she does

Duncan: say she's like that, you know, and she said

Duncan: it looks like you across the eyes, but

Duncan: something like that.

Duncan: He doesn't look like you much, but there's

Duncan: something about his eyes, yeah, and she's

Duncan: like what the fuck you talk?

Bo: about Dr Lector and she's like well, hold

Bo: on, Hold on.

Duncan: He told me a message and she Danvers, goes

Duncan: fucking raw here.

Duncan: Dude, she gets like not mama bear.

Bo: She gets like fucking bile and she's like,

Bo: yeah, shut up, you, shut your mouth, you

Bo: keep his name out of your mouth.

Bo: And she says and I wrote this down because

Bo: it was such a good quote, it's what.

Bo: This is the delivery that I love.

Bo: This may be my favorite thing Jody Foster

Bo: has ever said.

Bo: The line is shut up about him or I'll shoot

Bo: your sick fucking mouth right off your face.

Bo: Fuck, she is angry.

Bo: And then she says I am not merciful, I have

Bo: no merciful and I have no mercy left.

Bo: You understand?

Bo: And then storms off when she looks at at

Bo: Navarro and says I am not merciful.

Bo: Yeah, it's like fuck, she is not lying to

Bo: you.

Bo: Yeah, she is telling she is telling you the.

Bo: God's truth right now and you need to

Bo: accept that.

Bo: You need to back the fuck off, mm.

Bo: Hmm.

Bo: Meanwhile, leah is trying to get hold of

Bo: Danvers.

Bo: Quick cut away where she's like hey,

Bo: whatever's going on, don't die out there,

Bo: okay, yeah.

Bo: And so we kind of follow Danvers from there,

Bo: who goes to this room again and she buries

Bo: herself under blankets and she's like

Bo: trying to stay warm.

Bo: Yeah, like as part of our part of our

Bo: storming off.

Duncan: She basically says to Navarro like if you

Duncan: want to walk out and they, she fucking go

Duncan: with that.

Duncan: Like, yeah, she bit the things are.

Duncan: She goes in, she puts things in, she puts

Duncan: things in, she puts things in, she puts

Duncan: things in, she puts things in and instantly

Duncan: is like that and she might do it.

Duncan: I'd like yeah, yeah, I'd like that's not

Duncan: maybe that I was angry, but that's maybe

Duncan: not the thing that someone who is

Duncan: contemplating suicide may want to hear.

Duncan: So she gets back up, she heads down and the

Duncan: fire's still on, but ain't no, Navarro, bo

Duncan: Yep.

Bo: So she goes outside to hunt for Navarro,

Bo: who is, sure enough, walking out on the ice,

Bo: but from Navarro's point of view, she's in

Bo: the desert, yeah, and we get like the ear

Bo: bleeding again.

Bo: Which is just.

Bo: She is in the presence of this.

Bo: Whatever it is that's out there on the ice

Bo: and the thing gives her her name, which is

Bo: like Senna Ichkak something like that.

Bo: Spare them while I hunt.

Bo: So go for it.

Bo: And Danvers sees Holden under the ice

Bo: beneath her feet, yeah, and so she starts

Bo: freaking out because, like the kid is

Bo: banging from under the eyes and she's like

Bo: Holden, and then starts banging on the ice

Bo: and, sure enough, shoots down through the

Bo: ice.

Duncan: Ice is going to break and it does actually,

Duncan: and she goes into the ice and fucking

Duncan: cinematography and this scene is fucking

Duncan: beautiful.

Duncan: It's like absolutely mind-blowingly good.

Duncan: But yeah, she goes under and, for all

Duncan: intents and purposes, dies and once again,

Duncan: according to Isolopes, that character dies

Duncan: in the ice but is brought back by Navarro,

Duncan: who doesn't walk out any further on the ice.

Duncan: She gets a fucking our native name and then

Duncan: she goes back and she helps Danvers and she

Duncan: gets her in.

Duncan: And I will tell you this, jodie Foster's

Duncan: acting is so fucking good that the raspy

Duncan: tone she's getting as she's being brought

Duncan: back to life, I genuinely thought someone

Duncan: would kill Jodie Foster and brought her

Duncan: back to life, like that's how like it

Duncan: sounds like she's like I don't even know

Duncan: how you do, I used to do death metal vocals

Duncan: in a band and the rasp that she gets in her

Duncan: voice I couldn't do right.

Duncan: It's just going to.

Duncan: It's all the breathings, like how someone

Duncan: breathes when they can't get enough air

Duncan: into their lungs.

Duncan: And Navarro's trying to bring her like back,

Duncan: like Despo, to try to bring her back Alem.

Duncan: She asks, and this kind of stipper of half

Duncan: I have dead.

Duncan: She asked her what Holden said to her and

Duncan: Navarro says Holden says like I see you,

Duncan: and it's like fucking acting is so good,

Duncan: it's like the weight of everything like

Duncan: comes right off the top of Danvers and she

Duncan: cries in a way which feels maybe the most

Duncan: realistic crying I've seen since, fucking

Duncan: like Florence Pugh and Midsomer or fucking

Duncan: Tony Collette and like Fucking her registry.

Duncan: It's just this kind of hollowed out Growly

Duncan: howl.

Duncan: It's just, it's just so fucking emotional

Duncan: and Navarro just holds her and lets her cry.

Bo: I mean, it's a really Wonderful moment

Bo: between these characters.

Duncan: Yes, and I think it's the bit where I think

Duncan: Because what you're gonna get after this is

Duncan: an acceptance, where I think, danvers, all

Duncan: that, all that front that she's had about

Duncan: like no, did you spit it, gay tell you, and

Duncan: all that that kind of goes In this moment,

Duncan: and I think she respects that.

Duncan: Maybe there are things out there.

Duncan: Maybe death isn't the final, the final part

Duncan: of the story.

Bo: So well, I mean, she's just seen Holden,

Bo: she's just seen her son, but sure enough,

Bo: the storm is passing.

Bo: Pete's still digging out on the ice this is

Bo: fun.

Duncan: This is like Rose, really.

Duncan: He's like he finished, you dig it.

Duncan: He's like right there, that should be

Duncan: enough.

Duncan: And I'm like roses, like what the fucking

Duncan: the knife he's looking at?

Duncan: She's like you may want to turn your head

Duncan: just now and he's like, no, I want to see.

Duncan: And she's like you want to see is that

Duncan: fucking puncture your dead?

Duncan: So long here, so he doesn't fucking float.

Duncan: And you see these, like Pete's face is like

Duncan: yeah, maybe I don't want it.

Duncan: Like he's like turns round yeah.

Duncan: And Rose, like full-on, has buried bodies

Duncan: before in the past.

Bo: Right has has had to have done something

Bo: because she knows how to do this quick and

Bo: efficiently, and the fact that she knew how

Bo: to do it at all, or that I never even

Bo: thought yeah, she's, she's.

Duncan: Like she knows that if they put that,

Duncan: there's another aspect to consider here

Duncan: like she knows, like the police know that,

Duncan: to be honest, fucking Pete should have

Duncan: known the ice is.

Duncan: The ice in the water is so cold, it's going

Duncan: to preserve the body, right, and when the

Duncan: ice thaws, that body is going to come up,

Duncan: and you don't want that, like you don't

Duncan: want that to happen.

Duncan: So naturally, you remove, you puncture the

Duncan: lungs and it removes all the air from the

Duncan: body and it makes your body float, sorry,

Duncan: sink.

Duncan: So she, I love that she does that, though,

Duncan: but then roses like I'm not putting them in

Duncan: nice, you need to do that because that's

Duncan: you need to finish what you started on this.

Duncan: That a rose will help you get the body

Duncan: ready, rosie, and help you put the body in

Duncan: the ice.

Bo: I think that has something to do with Like

Bo: Navarro telling Danvers you know like you

Bo: get to carry Annie now you know it's that

Bo: kind of thing like you're now responsible

Bo: for.

Duncan: I think, yeah, I think there's a finality

Duncan: to that that you have to do.

Duncan: It's like that.

Duncan: It's like in them, like mongo.

Duncan: The premise of late mongo, if you're

Duncan: looking at from a non-ghostly point of view,

Duncan: is the reason the mother so wholly believes

Duncan: that her kid might be communicating from

Duncan: beyond the dead is because she never saw

Duncan: the body.

Duncan: She never went to see the body, or her

Duncan: husband did so as a part of her.

Duncan: That because she never saw it.

Duncan: It was never realtor.

Duncan: So this idea of Pete needs to.

Duncan: Pete needs to put his dad into the ice,

Duncan: which, by the way, they juxtapote like when

Duncan: he's digging the ice and you get the

Duncan: juxtaposition of the shot of, like Hank

Duncan: Drilling nice to save his son from that

Duncan: memory is Fucking, yes, kiss, you know your

Duncan: dad dug through the ice to save your life.

Duncan: You're digging the ice to bury your fucking

Duncan: dad.

Duncan: It's just so good man.

Duncan: But yeah, pete, put some in there.

Duncan: I put you like.

Duncan: Peace, just like.

Duncan: Oh well, that's the worst of that.

Bo: Yeah, where's this like?

Bo: Oh, Let me let me make, let me just check

Bo: you right now.

Bo: Wait, she sits down.

Bo: She says, yep, you're probably thinking the

Bo: worst part's done, it's not.

Bo: Yeah, what comes after forever?

Bo: That's the worst part.

Duncan: So there's a couple of ways to look at this.

Duncan: Right, the the easiest, most superficial

Duncan: way of looking at this is that he used to

Duncan: live with the fact that he killed his dad,

Duncan: right, and has like, not kill these dad,

Duncan: but hid hidden these dad and this case will

Duncan: never be solved, like the hangs bodies

Duncan: never gonna be found, I'll never be solved.

Duncan: The other way to look at it is when people

Duncan: dying in is to come back as ghosts, and

Duncan: that could be a very literal meaning of

Duncan: Hanks probably gonna come back as a ghost

Duncan: now and if he's gonna visit anyone, most

Duncan: likely gonna visit you.

Duncan: So it's just something you're gonna have to

Duncan: kind of get used to.

Bo: You've done the work to earn your, your

Bo: ghostly visit from Hank, the ghost of

Bo: murder past.

Duncan: Yeah, lazy song of doom and gloom and God

Duncan: for boarding and paint your rooms blue.

Bo: But?

Bo: But then they look up at the sky and the

Bo: aurora borealis is is shining above them.

Bo: I love this, like the storms over and it

Bo: comes up right in the screen first of

Bo: January, january 1st, 15th day of night,

Bo: and, and, and then we go back to Salal

Bo: where Navarro and Danvers are looking out

Bo: the window and they see the storm has

Bo: passed and like, hey, we can go now.

Bo: Yeah, and there's a great moment where they

Bo: Danvers is like, hey, happy, happy new year.

Bo: Doctor of Lecter.

Bo: Yeah, and of our, they've got the bus on

Bo: whiskey there, yeah, and Danvers like in as

Bo: close as we get to like a genuinely

Bo: emotional moment.

Bo: But between these characters.

Bo: Danvers says if you ever do go for that,

Bo: walk doctor like her, try to come back.

Bo: Yeah.

Bo: And Navarro is like, yeah, I'm just I gotta

Bo: do something, cuz I've the whole time I

Bo: felt like Navarro Hanging on I'm sorry,

Bo: I've been.

Bo: I felt like Clark holding on to that hatch,

Bo: yeah, while something above me is trying to

Bo: open it Immediately.

Bo: Danvers is like what the fuck you just say?

Bo: And she's like, yeah, that I feel like like

Bo: Clark hanging on to the latch and she's

Bo: like shut up, we gotta go do thing.

Bo: And then she does like make.

Bo: She basically makes some Like homemade

Bo: luminol.

Duncan: Yeah, homemade liminal and chemicals that

Duncan: like.

Duncan: I love Jody Foster and she's like she

Duncan: doesn't carefully spray on.

Duncan: She pours this motherfucker all over, right,

Duncan: and she's like get a UV light, right, yeah,

Duncan: she's not fucking around.

Bo: And then, sure enough, as you know you, you

Bo: brought up the last episode.

Bo: Three, right, one of the handprints is

Bo: missing fingers.

Bo: And that's where we get Foster saying we

Bo: were asking the wrong question, doctor

Bo: Lector, not who killed Annie Kaye, but who

Bo: knows who killed her?

Bo: Yeah, and and then, duncan, we go, we drive

Bo: to the end of the episode.

Bo: We literally jump in a car and drive to the

Bo: end of the episode, which is, which is the,

Bo: a woman named Beatrice, the cleaner that we

Bo: talked to, the one who said they don't pay

Bo: attention.

Duncan: Like this all.

Duncan: It makes so much that the introduction to

Duncan: this character Was she beating the shit out

Duncan: of this guy because he ladies hand, ladies

Duncan: hands on the woman with three fingers.

Duncan: So she, she fucking laid him out, and and

Duncan: then about.

Bo: She is just, she is a lady justice, she is

Bo: being the show, she's the dark night ball

Bo: Like well, and and she's also the one who

Bo: said when, when they're asking about the

Bo: selloz station, and she's like nobody ever

Bo: talked to us, because nobody talks to the

Bo: cleaners.

Duncan: Yeah, she's also that.

Duncan: She's also the character when we're like

Duncan: does the symbol mean anything to you?

Duncan: She's like Blair, does this mean?

Duncan: She's been all the way through this series.

Duncan: She's been that they've spoken to more than

Duncan: once, will be down to see them more than

Duncan: once.

Duncan: He's packed, has appeared more than once.

Duncan: The evidence was there on the clothes, out

Duncan: in the ice, of someone with three fingers.

Duncan: But we very much, like the detectives, were

Duncan: never asking the right question, bow, and

Duncan: we disregarded plain fucking evidence in

Duncan: front of her eyes.

Duncan: So, yeah, so they arrive at our house and a

Duncan: lot.

Duncan: This, this scene is fucking amazing because

Duncan: it starts off yeah, we just beat us and the

Duncan: women with three fingers right, and they're

Duncan: like can we come in and talk to you?

Bo: like, yeah, well, to get it, I mean at

Bo: first is Jody Foster and then there's a

Bo: roll out and yeah, go on, now we will pick

Bo: her, and, but it's, it's Navarro who

Bo: introduces.

Duncan: Well, she, like I, asked before about what

Duncan: her name was and she didn't know and she

Duncan: says my name is Angeline, like Sinichcock.

Bo: Navarro, yeah, and the woman's like us, and

Bo: it's cocked, that was my Aka's name.

Bo: And Navarro says, well, do you know what it

Bo: means?

Bo: And Beatrice tells her well, it means the

Bo: return of the Sun after the darkness.

Bo: And then she kind of more readily, invites

Bo: them in.

Bo: It's like okay, now, now that we've

Bo: established that, let's, let's have a seat,

Bo: and well, so now that we've established

Bo: that, let's tell you how everything went

Bo: down.

Duncan: Yeah right, and she.

Bo: She says, yeah, well, you know, here's the

Bo: thing.

Bo: I can tell a story.

Bo: Yeah, but like now, whether this is how it

Bo: happened, yeah, who's to say is one of the

Bo: clue and right.

Duncan: It could have happened this way, but maybe

Duncan: it happened like this.

Bo: And she says, you know, like hey, because

Bo: of the way that native people are treated,

Bo: it's the same story over and over again.

Bo: And she says so we decided we were gonna,

Bo: we were gonna tell her own story and this

Bo: is our story goes, which is after spilling

Bo: some mop water at the Solol station and

Bo: seeing it go down this hatch, she goes down

Bo: and discovers the weapon that killed Annie

Bo: Kay.

Bo: They also find these documents that were

Bo: the documents that Annie Kay was looking

Bo: for.

Bo: That proves that Solol was not just

Bo: Covering up pollution.

Bo: They were encouraging the mine, yeah, to

Bo: pollute more so that they could soften the

Bo: permafrost and get their samples.

Duncan: There's also proves that scientists don't

Duncan: learn from the mistakes.

Duncan: I'd be I don't know, I would have changed

Duncan: tools, I would have locked away that

Duncan: material, though, and, I don't know, maybe

Duncan: tiny duck my notes, I don't know done some

Duncan: things just so, just in cases never happens

Duncan: again we have to murder another woman.

Duncan: Maybe we I don't know maybe we put some

Duncan: steps in like I don't know, like a padlock

Duncan: on the latch and or something, but yeah, so

Duncan: they find it.

Bo: but I love this because there's a network

Bo: of cleaners, and well in Danvers asked her

Bo: like well, why didn't you report all this?

Bo: And she says well, because nothing would

Bo: have changed.

Bo: Like we this?

Bo: This is the story.

Bo: We know is that we do this thing and

Bo: nothing changes.

Bo: So we told them, we told ourselves another

Bo: story, yeah, and this is we get.

Duncan: Yeah, we get like we got a cleaner actually

Duncan: in the police station.

Duncan: The police station cleaner.

Duncan: She's looking through the crime scene

Duncan: things.

Duncan: She's matching the wounds to the like to

Duncan: make sure they're right here and they're

Duncan: working it through.

Duncan: So, yeah, essentially the they set up

Duncan: everything.

Duncan: But while they're telling this story why

Duncan: she's telling this story More women start

Duncan: coming in, one at a time.

Bo: Until there's what like a dozen people in

Bo: this room.

Bo: Yeah, besides the cops.

Duncan: Yeah, like because you're thinking it's a

Duncan: how could they overpower these seven guys?

Duncan: Well, it turns out.

Duncan: Well, if there's a dozen of you and you

Duncan: know where everything is in a facility, you

Duncan: can just walk in and switch the fucking

Duncan: power off.

Bo: Turn off the power, show up with some guns

Bo: and they basically just heard them into the

Bo: back of a truck, yeah, and.

Duncan: Meanwhile, like they're trying, the, the

Duncan: trying, they see the main scientist trying

Duncan: to get in the hatch.

Duncan: So they know someone's in the hatch, which

Duncan: is how the handprints get the other

Duncan: basically trying to.

Duncan: You know, jimmy, the hatch up but they

Duncan: couldn't do it.

Duncan: So that explains the noise there.

Duncan: But they basically heard them into a

Duncan: fucking container, in a vehicle and drive

Duncan: them out into the middle of the snow.

Bo: And so they say well, so in this story, yes,

Bo: you killed them.

Bo: And she's like no, no, no, we didn't kill

Bo: them, they killed themselves.

Bo: When they killed her daughter in her home,

Bo: yeah, they woke her up.

Bo: What we did is we forced them into strip

Bo: and then march them toward her, yeah, and

Bo: like, put the spirals on their heads and

Bo: shit like that.

Duncan: So this is the.

Duncan: The the they they're talking about is the

Duncan: entity that Darwin drew at the beginning

Duncan: Sing.

Duncan: It's not Sengar, whatever it is, but

Duncan: basically the Entity that doesn't have any

Duncan: fingers bleeds from them, that is goddess

Duncan: of the sea and fishing, all the rest.

Duncan: And they'll like that.

Duncan: Like we marched them out there, their

Duncan: clothes were there.

Duncan: Yeah, like they wanted it.

Duncan: Any time they could have come back and put

Duncan: their clothes on, or she could claim them,

Duncan: and turns out she claimed them.

Bo: Yeah, and we write the way she puts it,

Bo: because again, another great fucking line,

Bo: because Danvers, I think, is the one who

Bo: answers like so they didn't come back, why

Bo: don't?

Bo: Or why don't you think they came back?

Bo: Then and she says well, I guess she ate

Bo: their fucking dreams from the inside out

Bo: and spit their frozen bones.

Bo: But that's just a story.

Bo: It's like oh man, that is one of the most

Bo: metal things I've ever heard.

Bo: Somebody they're fucking dreams eaten from

Bo: the inside out and spit out their frozen

Bo: bones like and and and.

Bo: So, after saying this, like there's a real,

Bo: like pregnant pause between them of like

Bo: alright, what's the next move?

Duncan: Yeah, there's a real pregnant pause of

Duncan: there's 12 women who have just told us a

Duncan: story about how they Can, what basically

Duncan: sent seven murderers to their death, and

Duncan: there's two of us and we're a little bit of

Duncan: number to you.

Duncan: What I love about this Danvers is so good

Duncan: man and like she's like she.

Duncan: She has the Ripley response to this.

Duncan: You know, like we'll just look it from

Duncan: orbit just to be sure.

Duncan: Like she's like that, while we just want to

Duncan: come here and tell you that the case is

Duncan: closed.

Duncan: It was an Arctic slide landslide and that's

Duncan: what killed the scientists and we just

Duncan: thought, because they were your employers

Duncan: and employed, you cleaned up there.

Duncan: That you just might want to know about that.

Duncan: Yeah, it's good that the level of genius

Duncan: fuckery here that Danvers pulls off is is

Duncan: 5d chess.

Duncan: Right, because basically what she is doing

Duncan: is she is using the mine, forced the police

Duncan: to close this case with a bullshit

Duncan: reasoning.

Duncan: Right, to fuck Danvers and that

Duncan: investigation over and, by the very same

Duncan: token, she's going to burn down the fucking

Duncan: mine.

Duncan: Right, when this information comes out,

Duncan: which will get more real as to how they're

Duncan: gonna do that, but when she's sitting on

Duncan: the, we know stuff that this is being done,

Duncan: or all the rest, and you know what?

Duncan: I Can just close this case as well, and

Duncan: I'll just use the same bullshit, because

Duncan: you've closed it for me so nice and easy.

Duncan: And what happened?

Bo: just this has been served in this story and

Bo: they look so Danvers Gives up the like.

Bo: Well, we just thought you'd be interested.

Bo: Dr Lecter's and.

Duncan: Like she gets ready, so she basically goes

Duncan: out.

Duncan: But, boy, if you're me, and Navarro in this

Duncan: case, like you're like that, so the tongue.

Bo: First.

Bo: First, navarro says they, because they ask

Bo: her like what do you think about this?

Bo: And she says you know, stories are stories,

Bo: that everybody's got them, that's fine.

Bo: And but yeah, so Beatrice gives her like

Bo: this, really like friendly Pat, like hey,

Bo: you know, you're kind of one of us sort of

Bo: thing, yeah, and but yes, that's where

Bo: Navarro asked about the tongue and she's

Bo: like I don't have any idea.

Duncan: Yeah, did you put the tongue there so we'd

Duncan: like the cases or whatever, and she's like

Duncan: that?

Duncan: No, I think about.

Duncan: There's nothing about a tongue in our story.

Bo: Yeah and which, again, you know, this is

Bo: the realm of the unreliable narrator, does

Bo: she, does she not?

Bo: Who knows?

Bo: Yeah, but then we get Kind of our coda on

Bo: this whole story, which takes place on

Bo: March 12th, the first long day of the year.

Bo: It's the first sunshine we've seen since

Bo: the beginning of the first episode, which

Bo: is yeah, and we get a very true detective

Bo: trope.

Duncan: That has not been all the way.

Duncan: In this one we get the interview of the

Duncan: police officer who attended the thing,

Duncan: which I kind of love.

Duncan: This I kind of love being in this Because

Duncan: also if you watch true detective like that

Duncan: season that everyone loves as well that

Duncan: show opens with the detective being

Duncan: interviewed, so I kind of love this.

Duncan: One closes with a detective being

Duncan: interviewed in sunshine and it's a is

Duncan: Danvers and she's being.

Duncan: She's been interrogated by two guys that

Duncan: just want to know what happened a couple of

Duncan: months ago.

Bo: Yeah, like internal investigations or

Bo: whatever.

Duncan: Well, it's primarily they're trying to work

Duncan: out what happened with Otis Heiss and Hank

Duncan: Right and well, and she says well.

Bo: you know, based on all observations, it

Bo: seems like it was a deal gone bad, dr

Bo: Elector, where Hank must have gotten into a

Bo: scrape and then he killed Otis and in the

Bo: attempt to hide that body he disappeared.

Duncan: because Hank is fucking useless Hank has

Duncan: been caught on camera following Danvers

Duncan: from the lighthouse fucking moron.

Bo: She says you know, well, you know, we'll

Bo: find the bodies in this in the spring.

Bo: We always do, yeah, unless we.

Bo: And and then this is where Pete comes in

Bo: bringing her coffee, yeah, and she's like

Bo: well, as you know, this is his son.

Bo: He was out looking for his father and we

Bo: all feel, you know, pretty touched about

Bo: that, dr Elector.

Bo: And so then they then they ask her well,

Bo: don't you think it's kind of strange that

Bo: Clark died Exactly like all the others,

Bo: kind of on your watch and she's like it is

Bo: odd?

Duncan: Yes, it is very strange, but you know some

Duncan: questions, just don't have answers.

Bo: dr Elector, yeah, and Then they're like all

Bo: right, all right, fine, but what about

Bo: Navarro?

Bo: Yeah, and she's like, well, you know, some

Bo: people come to Alaska to escape something

Bo: and While she's telling them, you know the,

Bo: you know getting the, the VO, why?

Duncan: don't you tell them that lane we get while

Duncan: she's telling them her story?

Bo: Yes, the real story is she goes to

Bo: Navarro's place, finds only this stuffed

Bo: bear.

Duncan: Yeah.

Bo: We cut over to Kovic, who finds the his

Bo: toothbrush brought back to him.

Bo: Yeah, and Danvers is like.

Bo: You know, some people are looking for

Bo: something and you know, I believe that

Bo: Eventually Navarro found what she was

Bo: looking for.

Bo: And it's Navarro, like we get a cut to her,

Bo: just staring off into the wilds of Alaska.

Bo: Yeah and just starting off.

Bo: But back at her house there is a phone that

Bo: has a video confession from Clark saying

Bo: here is the shit that we pulled along with

Bo: Silver Sky Mines.

Bo: Yeah and we get a quick shot of like a

Bo: native dude who's just from the very

Bo: beginning.

Duncan: Yes, it was hunting the Carabou or whatever.

Duncan: It was right in the very opening scene.

Duncan: But this time he's walking past Just like

Duncan: an abandoned main.

Duncan: Yeah, the government closed this fucker

Duncan: down quick.

Bo: And and they're like so you've seen the?

Bo: They're asking Danvers, these investigators,

Bo: so you've seen the Clark video?

Bo: And she's like, well, sure, who hasn't seen

Bo: the Clark video?

Bo: Doctor, lector?

Bo: But no, who leaked it?

Bo: I don't know, somebody did, but who knows?

Bo: Yeah, and they're like, well, what are you

Bo: gonna do next?

Bo: And she says, look, this is in this.

Bo: This, this town is.

Bo: It was here before we got here.

Bo: It was here before this place was even

Bo: called Alaska.

Bo: It's gonna be here after us.

Bo: So I'm gonna show up and we'll do my job.

Duncan: What else?

Bo: is there doctor Lector?

Duncan: And then we just ask the ask about could

Duncan: she explain how people claim that they

Duncan: still see Navarro from time to time, like

Duncan: kind of the insinuation being that she

Duncan: might live out on the ice?

Duncan: But that's not how I take this, because at

Duncan: the very end of this one we got a shot of

Duncan: her and Leah and who they've kind of grown

Duncan: together.

Duncan: Now they're eating sandwiches and laughing

Duncan: in the car and then we go to Danvers home

Duncan: at the end.

Bo: Well now first there's Pete, who is

Bo: sleeping with his kid, but there's an

Bo: expression on his face that says he is

Bo: fucked for life.

Duncan: Yeah, he's like.

Duncan: He's like.

Duncan: He now clocks and clocks out.

Duncan: You know what I mean.

Duncan: He ain't doing anything above what he needs

Duncan: to.

Duncan: He is no longer asking the right questions.

Duncan: He is doing the bare minimum for his job

Duncan: and holding on tightly to his family,

Duncan: holding on clinging to his son.

Duncan: And then we jump to Danvers at home, out on

Duncan: our balcony, and as she's sitting on our

Duncan: balcony, navarro appears as an apparition

Duncan: standing at the side, smiling at her.

Duncan: The thing you to believe that maybe she

Duncan: committed suicide or maybe she didn't.

Bo: The last lines of the whole season are when

Bo: she says, when they ask her, like, do you

Bo: think that people are seeing Navarro out

Bo: there?

Bo: And she says I believe that eventually,

Bo: navarro is not out on that ice, but this is

Bo: in us.

Bo: Nobody ever really leaves Dr Lector, and

Bo: that's where we get this moment of them on

Bo: the deck.

Bo: And so I'm of two minds about this.

Bo: Here's what I truly believe is that, yes,

Bo: this is an apparition that she sees,

Bo: because and but not in an unfriendly way,

Bo: like this is not.

Bo: This is that comfort that Navarro kind of

Bo: talks about, like there's something bigger

Bo: out there and you can take some comfort for

Bo: that, because you know Holden is watching.

Bo: Now, theoretically, navarro is kind of

Bo: watching and looking out for Danvers, yep,

Bo: and she did what she was asked.

Bo: Like.

Duncan: Danvers said to her if you go out in the

Duncan: ice, come back.

Duncan: And I think that come back is not literally

Duncan: physically come back, and it's more

Duncan: spiritually don't leave.

Bo: Right.

Bo: And so the other, the other, read that I've.

Bo: I haven't read up on this, but it's just

Bo: one of those things of like oh okay, I

Bo: could see where this could be.

Bo: On interpretation.

Duncan: They say.

Duncan: They say on the show that people go out and

Duncan: live on the ice.

Duncan: We've already met three characters that

Duncan: lived in like compounds out there, so it is

Duncan: also totally believable that she lives a

Duncan: life off the fucking grid.

Bo: And we also know that.

Bo: This is where my read of it gets a little

Bo: strange.

Bo: We also know that Navarro is bisexual.

Duncan: Yes.

Bo: And so there is a read for me where, oh,

Bo: this is just them ultimately ending up

Bo: together as a couple.

Duncan: Yeah.

Bo: Because there's no all right.

Bo: So, duncan, here's the thing I fucking love

Bo: about this episode is that could be true.

Bo: It could be a spirit.

Bo: We don't fully understand exactly what

Bo: happened at the car accident with Jodie

Bo: Foster and the kid.

Bo: We just know that it's.

Bo: It's haunted her Yep.

Bo: Even though we got answers to the Wheeler

Bo: thing, there's still.

Bo: There are still questions about what.

Bo: What that investigate or not investigation,

Bo: but like what?

Bo: What kind of psychic damage that still has

Bo: for Navarro or Danvers?

Duncan: We never found out what the woman whose

Duncan: head was blown off in the war scene said to

Duncan: Navarro Navarro.

Duncan: What does she wish for?

Duncan: We don't get.

Duncan: And you know what, bro?

Bo: I don't think everything needs to be like

Bo: 100%, 100% because you know, like it's what

Bo: Danvers says, like not everything has a

Bo: clean answer, and I like the fact that

Bo: there's there's sort of this messiness of,

Bo: yeah, apparently there is something

Bo: supernatural out on the eyes.

Bo: Yeah, like that is the reason, like there's

Bo: no other explanation, even hinted at in the

Bo: show, other than like, hey, there was

Bo: pollutants and stuff like that, but that's

Bo: like there is more direct evidence for the

Bo: supernatural than there is of that.

Duncan: At least this is how I know that, like true,

Duncan: like true detective fans, you know the

Duncan: hardcore ones just don't get horror right

Duncan: at all, because if you've seen Tigers are

Duncan: not afraid, there is a ton of like this.

Duncan: Is that actually a very Tigers is not

Duncan: afraid?

Duncan: Ending, it's that level of ambiguity of

Duncan: like yes spirituality and all the rest is

Duncan: wrapped up, then some things are just

Duncan: bigger than us.

Bo: Yeah, yeah, yeah and yeah, I just I really

Bo: I really adored the ending of this.

Bo: I thought it.

Bo: I thought it was kind of heartfelt in a way

Bo: that I almost didn't expect it to be as

Bo: like poignant as it was, even though

Bo: there's this her petty.

Duncan: That's what she does, that's like, that's

Duncan: what I'm saying, like her previous work to

Duncan: this is Tigers are not afraid, which it was

Duncan: a movie that I was in cinema with grown men

Duncan: who were fucking crying.

Duncan: Yeah, that's how powerful she does it in

Duncan: the mute.

Duncan: The choice of score, the way it's set up,

Duncan: jody Foster's delivery of those lines at

Duncan: the very end, it's just, it's just there.

Duncan: And I think I come at the end of this and

Duncan: you didn't like this.

Duncan: I just don't think you like TV, if I'm

Duncan: honest.

Duncan: Yeah, I just don't get the complete of

Duncan: anyone.

Duncan: Yes, this is awful, which is what I've read.

Duncan: Like this is awful TV, this is an awful

Duncan: season.

Duncan: Like that.

Duncan: I just don't like.

Duncan: I don't think you ever came into this with

Duncan: an open mind, like at all.

Duncan: You think you came in wanting the thing

Duncan: that you saw a decade ago yeah, I mean that

Duncan: first season it's a decade ago Like that's,

Duncan: that's what you've, that's what you wanted,

Duncan: and I just don't.

Duncan: To me, this one, weirdly, is the most

Duncan: heartfelt of all of them.

Duncan: Maybe take the crown of season three.

Duncan: Season three ended with a very emotional

Duncan: end, with him out with his family and

Duncan: friends and everyone's all there together

Duncan: and they're having a barbecue on the porch

Duncan: and he sees everyone, like his daughters,

Duncan: come back to him and all the rest.

Duncan: I mean, I don't.

Duncan: I'm looking at this and I'm like that.

Duncan: This one has more ambiguity than that.

Duncan: It has more heart.

Duncan: It's a fucking great ending To me, like as

Duncan: Reads go, I think Navarro died, but I, I, I

Duncan: I think in the last scene she's wearing the

Duncan: same clothes that she was wearing when she

Duncan: walked into the ice.

Duncan: That was my take on it, but I love the idea

Duncan: that she's there with her at the end,

Duncan: however, that is in person, as a partner or

Duncan: as a as a spirit.

Duncan: I fucking love the ending.

Duncan: I think it.

Duncan: I think it lands so strong.

Duncan: This is why those ones that you know it's

Duncan: it's.

Duncan: It's a gymnast doing all those flips and

Duncan: twirls that don't mean shit.

Duncan: If they don't land with two feet stationary

Duncan: in the ground at the end they're going to

Duncan: get mocked down, and this one might be

Duncan: messy.

Duncan: It may have missed a couple of grabs, but

Duncan: this season landed two feet fucking square

Duncan: on the mat at the end, so loved it.

Bo: Yeah, I agree.

Bo: Yeah, Terrific season, as always, a great

Bo: time.

Bo: Um well, you know.

Bo: As for what comes next, we'll figure it out.

Bo: We got some peak panther.

Bo: We got, we got uh, there's a whole season

Bo: of slasher.

Duncan: We haven't had to do slasher first, because

Duncan: the thought of going off and watching I

Duncan: don't know some inspector Cluso finding a

Duncan: bit of joy in my life and then having to

Duncan: sit down and do slasher is just like.

Duncan: It's a pain that I don't want.

Duncan: So we may have to.

Duncan: We may have to just rip the bandaid off,

Duncan: get right through fucking slasher and then

Duncan: get like some joy at the end of it.

Duncan: I don't know, I don't know.

Bo: We'll, we'll, we'll, figure it out though.

Duncan: So, rather than later and we've got to be

Duncan: back though and hopefully the listeners out

Duncan: there have enjoyed our take and we are in a

Duncan: position now that we can very comfortably

Duncan: say that DBCC will be back and in our

Duncan: horizon future we have a new season of the

Duncan: terror that's been commissioned that we

Duncan: will cover, and a new season of true

Duncan: detective, which, by the way, we will also

Duncan: cover.

Bo: That, yes, exactly right.

Bo: So, uh, I gotta tell you, uh, just tell me,

Bo: no, no, no, no.

Bo: I was just going to say, like uh, through,

Bo: through sheer attrition, Uh, it turns out

Bo: that, uh, the third episode, uh, is still

Bo: the highest rated of this season so far.

Bo: Um, but I I predict that the finale is

Bo: going to be a banger.

Duncan: Um, yeah, I predict to riot.

Duncan: I well look, let's see how the votes turn

Duncan: out, you know, what I'm saying Uh look, I

Duncan: look, I've got water.

Bo: I'm storing water now.

Bo: That's where I am.

Bo: That's why I got the second dog uh, just

Bo: for protection, Although, based on

Bo: everything I've seen so far, not not much

Bo: protection.

Bo: No, very, very.

Bo: I'm about to have to give him a bath.

Bo: That's, that's about to be the thing that

Bo: happens.

Bo: Uh, so, uh, yes, Duncan, where can people

Bo: find more out of you between now and when

Bo: next we talk here on DBCC?

Duncan: Uh, you can find me on podcast under the

Duncan: stairs Tputscast.com, wherever you listen

Duncan: to the podcast under the stairs on

Duncan: YouTube.

Duncan: Uh, the next big thing from me will be a

Duncan: lot of talk and a lot of coverage in the

Duncan: next week and a half of Glasgow fright fest,

Duncan: where I will be taking in 11 horror movies

Duncan: and for some reason I did not notice this.

Duncan: Uh, the festival is opening on the Friday

Duncan: with the brand new film from the French duo

Duncan: behind inside and Levite uh, who are coming

Duncan: out with a movie called I think it's called

Duncan: the soul eater Uh, which I was like okay if

Duncan: you say so, it's about a nine to five job

Duncan: in an office.

Duncan: Amen, brother, amen, um.

Duncan: So yeah, I'll be.

Duncan: I'll be doing a little bit of a chat on

Duncan: that one, which I'm very much looking

Duncan: forward to, because you never really know

Duncan: what you're going to get from fright fest.

Duncan: Some of it's good, some of it's bad, some

Duncan: of it is uh is, a bit iffy.

Duncan: Let me give you a little rundown on the

Duncan: synopsis for the movie, though.

Duncan: See if it tickles your fan.

Duncan: So this is the.

Duncan: This is the UK premier, the soul eater.

Duncan: Uh, two detectives with entirely different

Duncan: work methods are sent to a sleepy French

Duncan: mountain town, of whatever French name that

Duncan: is.

Duncan: This could be a true detective.

Bo: I was just thinking, this sounds very true.

Duncan: detective One is investigating the series

Duncan: of gruesome deaths, the other is searching

Duncan: for some missing local children.

Duncan: Soon they realize that their cases are

Duncan: connected by an old folklore legend of a

Duncan: malevolent creature.

Duncan: The story of the soul eater is terrifying

Duncan: Incarnation of the soul eater from

Duncan: co-directors Julianne Moray and Alexandra

Duncan: Bastilleau who, as part of the Vanguard of

Duncan: French extreme similar, brought you inside

Duncan: Levite among the living in the deep house.

Duncan: Now they unleash their most devilish and

Duncan: sinister creation.

Duncan: Yet to shock, horror and surprise Tragedy,

Duncan: torture, child endangerment, sexual

Duncan: violence and consistent threat.

Duncan: Oh, so I.

Duncan: So inside, right?

Bo: All of my favorites.

Duncan: So yeah, so I'll feed back on that.

Duncan: So there you go.

Bo: All right, what about you, bo?

Bo: What you got coming up soon?

Bo: We are about to launch into some Asian

Bo: horror on dark parade, a fairly obscure

Bo: Kyoshi Kurosawa film called Sweet Home.

Duncan: I've never seen.

Duncan: I will be super curious about that one

Duncan: because I love Kurosawa's work.

Bo: So the reason apparently it's getting a

Bo: remaster and one of its claims to fame is

Bo: that apparently the director of the video

Bo: game Resident Evil said that it was the

Bo: inspiration for that game.

Bo: Oh, wow, so I'm curious to see it on a

Bo: number of levels Thanks to that.

Bo: So, yeah, so that's coming up, and then,

Bo: you know, other dumb shit will just keeps

Bo: going, more dumb stuff.

Bo: Oh, I do hard of horror.

Bo: We're going to do near dark.

Bo: That's recording tomorrow.

Duncan: Oh nice.

Bo: And talking, you know, because it's an

Bo: excuse to come up with a theme, right, and

Bo: so we're going to be talking about going on

Bo: vacation with a loved one or potential

Bo: loved one and how that's usually a terrible

Bo: idea.

Bo: So, yeah, so that's coming up and yeah, so

Bo: you know, check that on on dark parade.

Bo: In the meantime, duncan, the only thing

Bo: left to do for this season of true

Bo: detective is to say to my good friend

Bo: Duncan say good night, duncan.

Duncan: To my good friend Duncan say good night,

Duncan: duncan.

Duncan: Nice.