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In Ecclesiastes 3:11, we read that God makes everything beautiful in its time. It is comforting to know that nothing is wasted in God's economy, but all of it will be used for our good and His glory. You're invited to join us for poignant conversations and compelling interviews centered on believing for His beauty in every season.
Everything Made Beautiful (00:01.605)
Well, hello, welcome back to the Everything Made Beautiful podcast and Jenny Randall, welcome to the show. Thank you so much for being here today.
Jenny Randle (00:11.352)
Thanks for having me on Shannon.
Everything Made Beautiful (00:13.221)
I have to say for people that are watching on YouTube, your background is amazing. Like I feel like I'm there and my background is now very sad. I feel sad. I'm not at my house. So I feel sad because your background is amazing. that's so cool. Yeah. I, yes, yes. It's a beach scene and it's very inspiring. And now I feel like I need to get my children to paint for me.
Jenny Randle (00:24.994)
Yeah.
Jenny Randle (00:28.776)
my daughter painted it. Isn't that cool?
It's a beach scene for all you audio people.
Jenny Randle (00:42.766)
I don't know, could be questionable, but.
Everything Made Beautiful (00:43.385)
yes. Well, I have read your official bio to everyone already, but just by way of introduction, like I read that your journey has taken you from literally the heart of Hollywood to leading a ministry, equipping people with theology and tools to live out their faith. And I have never actually read a bio quite like that before. So.
Can you just briefly share a bit of that journey and then how has God made beauty from what were probably some unexpected turns in your story?
Jenny Randle (01:19.146)
Yeah, I know I have I have an eclectic background for sure with like career wise. But I'm a middle school mom, so I have two kids in middle school. I'm loving this era of life. Like people give middle school a bad rap. I'm like, this is my jam. I feel like I was created for this. How old are your kids?
Everything Made Beautiful (01:29.051)
Yes. Uh-huh.
Everything Made Beautiful (01:34.8)
Yeah.
Everything Made Beautiful (01:38.428)
They are 23, 20, and 18. So I have left the middle school years. But I will say, I'm kind of like you. People were like, gosh, just wait till they're teenagers. That was not my experience. I actually loved every successive age range. So I'm with you.
Jenny Randle (01:42.904)
Okay.
Jenny Randle (01:58.991)
Good. Okay. All right. You can testify. when my kids are 20, I'll be like, Hey, Shannon said we're gonna it's great. Okay. Awesome. Yeah. That's good to hear. Okay. So yeah, back in the day in my twenties, um, my first career was working in the entertainment industry. was, you don't start as a video editor, but I worked my way out from a receptionist, um, answering phones and learning how to make coffee. No idea. Figured it out. And, um,
Everything Made Beautiful (02:01.093)
Yes.
Exactly. Gets even better.
Everything Made Beautiful (02:23.067)
Mm-hmm.
Jenny Randle (02:25.356)
where I worked, worked at post production studio and my boss at the time was like, you can teach yourself the industry software. So at night I would stay late and I would learn about video editing and kind of get used to the new software I was learning. And then I eventually ended up working for DVD feature X. If you can remember.
Everything Made Beautiful (02:43.097)
Wow, I remember them. I actually can see the logo right now in my head. Uh-huh.
Jenny Randle (02:47.964)
yeah. The DVD with those. Yep. Uh-huh. So I got to edit behind the scenes of different movies. So like, you watch like Kung Fu Panda would be like how this movie is made. And I got to work on really fun projects. And I joke, that was the highlight of my career. and in that era of living in Hollywood and attending church, and, I was part of a video team out, which we would call a mega church and like,
Everything Made Beautiful (02:59.291)
Wow.
Everything Made Beautiful (03:14.277)
Yeah.
Jenny Randle (03:14.574)
really under learning to understand like media ministry in a different way. felt called into ministry. So I remember going to my boss and being like, I think I need to quit. And this was like the highlight of my career. And I had friends that were starting a church in orange County, which in LA that's like, you might as well just move across the country. That's it was like those two hours or that hour was a big transition. Um,
Everything Made Beautiful (03:38.364)
huh.
Jenny Randle (03:40.887)
So my boss was like, well, some of us are called to hire things, Jenny. And I was like, okay. So, I ended up actually freelancing as a video editor and then making that transition over to Orange County and really having my hands in helping some friends launch a new church and doing media ministry and content creation. And that's where I began to really, love the church even more and working behind the scenes with it. And eventually ended up, as an art director.
Everything Made Beautiful (03:45.423)
Yeah.
Jenny Randle (04:10.814)
And, but all during this transition or whatever, all during my twenties, I felt called into speaking and I ignored it because that's really hard and that's confusing. And what does that look like? Especially for a woman? Like I don't, you don't often see women speaking on a Sunday in a church setting. but the church I was at, did. So praise the Lord for her example. And, and then
Everything Made Beautiful (04:20.097)
Mm. Yeah.
Yes.
Everything Made Beautiful (04:33.348)
Mm-hmm.
Jenny Randle (04:36.966)
I found my husband through that church. helped launch and we ended up getting married and having kids and we were like, let's be by family. So we prayerfully, we're going to land in New York where, where I was raised upstate New York, not the city. You have to differentiate that or San Diego. And my husband, as an engineer landed, we landed in upstate New York, lived there for seven years. Poor, my poor surfer husband. He's like, what is this snow? What is happening? I don't understand. And I was like, you get used to it.
Everything Made Beautiful (04:49.253)
Mm-hmm. Yes.
Everything Made Beautiful (04:59.156)
gosh, yes.
Jenny Randle (05:05.432)
did not get used to it. But all throughout that I was juggling just different creative freelance projects and art directing for a publishing company was really fun, graphic design, and then we eventually started our own creative agency, which was awesome. And all throughout that I landed in speaking, which ended up my first message at a large conference, which was wild, ended up turning into my first book.
Everything Made Beautiful (05:20.817)
Mm.
Jenny Randle (05:32.684)
So now I'm five book deeps and that this is my dream to do the writing speaking thing. Although I think AI is taking over everyone's career. That's a different conversation. yeah, we can talk about that later, but my heart is, for the Lord and helping people get to know him more and the power of the Holy spirit and what that looks like for believers.
Everything Made Beautiful (05:34.597)
Yeah.
Everything Made Beautiful (05:41.711)
Yeah, that's a whole nother podcast.
Everything Made Beautiful (05:53.766)
Yeah, I love that. And I actually lived in California for almost seven years, but I lived in Northern California and I was very aware that there was a lot of like North California and South California. I was like, these are two different experiences. Even people who live here think they're different experiences. So even LA and Orange County are different experiences. So absolutely. I resonate with that and I loved my time there. And I think the thing I miss the most is the weather because even when it was
Jenny Randle (05:58.501)
Ooh, okay.
Jenny Randle (06:14.702)
Yeah.
Jenny Randle (06:22.495)
flip flops.
Everything Made Beautiful (06:23.699)
yeah even when it was 113 during the day it was not humid like it is in Georgia or Tennessee and then it would be like 60 at night and we would sit in our hot tub and it was amazing so that's probably other than our friends what I miss the most about California.
Jenny Randle (06:34.392)
Yes.
Jenny Randle (06:42.658)
Yeah, I agree with you. You could go out and flip flops you around and you're fine. It's great.
Everything Made Beautiful (06:46.681)
Yes, yes, absolutely. So I love the way that you describe yourself. Like I think people describing themselves is so much more interesting to me than me describing people. But you have said that you are someone armed with confetti and creativity. So where obviously we've heard about like video editing, graphic design, creative agency. But where did that spark come from? And when you felt called to ministry, were you like, well, how am going to use my creativity?
now if I go over and do this or was it really clear for you?
Jenny Randle (07:19.458)
Yeah. So I had this experience in third grade. we, third grade us made this movie for my teacher. She went on maternity leave. She just adopted a child. And so we made this film. We loved her so much. And I remember showing her the film and I wasn't watching. mean, use the term film loosely. You guys, it was a hot mess video with my mom's video camera. Like it was not magical. So
all the video nerds are like, don't, it wasn't a film, Jenny. It's fine. so, but when we showed the movie to the class, I wasn't watching the movie. already saw, was watching my teacher watch the movie and she was like laughing when it was supposed to be funny and she was getting emotional when it was so us. And I just remember being like, wow, whatever that is happening. Like I want to do that for the rest of my life. So it, it was one of those moments that marks me.
Everything Made Beautiful (07:49.329)
You
Everything Made Beautiful (07:57.874)
Mmm.
Everything Made Beautiful (08:10.0)
Yeah.
Jenny Randle (08:13.39)
And I didn't really know what that looked like, but I became a born again, a believer at 18. I was raised Catholic, didn't understand it. Um, but at 18, I had a real conversion, uh, and met the Lord. And I remember one church, I just felt the inner still voice of the Holy spirit say you're going to impact all forms of media for me. And I was like, okay. I mean, obvious at the time I was studying television. So I'm like, that makes sense. Um,
Everything Made Beautiful (08:18.743)
Mm. Yeah.
Everything Made Beautiful (08:36.593)
Mm-hmm.
Everything Made Beautiful (08:40.582)
Yeah.
Jenny Randle (08:41.474)
But to be 20 years deep into this and to look back and be like, I had, he has used me in all forms of media to impact him and to make an impact for him. It's been really cool to kind of see those moments and like trace, trace that. So creativity has been, I was raised in a creative home. My parents were never like, no. And when I was like, I want to go to Hollywood, they weren't like, we should really.
reassessed. They were like, here's a video camera. Like, how can we support you? You want to study television? Sure. Which is like the most easy, greatest major. You're running around with video cameras on campus. You're studying friends and like analyzing the story arc. Like, sign me up. I didn't have to take math, you know? So, yeah, just being raised in that creative environment. And I found that there's a, like, you know, if you don't create for a while, I don't know if you're like this, but if you don't create for a while, you're kind of like,
Everything Made Beautiful (09:06.725)
Right? Yes.
That's great.
Everything Made Beautiful (09:17.339)
Yeah.
Everything Made Beautiful (09:21.818)
Mm-hmm. Totally.
Jenny Randle (09:37.346)
there's an urgency like I gotta do something expressive. Do you feel that too?
Everything Made Beautiful (09:39.324)
Totally.
We literally, I, yes, I just had this conversation with my husband and I'm actually going out of town next week. And the whole purpose of it is to not do work, but to do the stuff of my soul. Cause I just have that, that urgency. So yes. And it, and it goes in cycles. Like I don't have to like do something of my soul every single day with really, you know, close up intention. But if I get into a rhythm where I'm just kind of checking the boxes and doing this
like eventually there's this hunger that it's kind of like I'm starving, you know, so So I get it totally that resonates. Yes
Jenny Randle (10:15.831)
Yeah.
Jenny Randle (10:19.426)
What's your favorite form of creative expression?
Everything Made Beautiful (10:22.353)
I would say probably writing. I just feel, I feel most alive. Like I, you know, I'm 49. So I have been around the bend as they say. And I would say I finally realized about...
Jenny Randle (10:24.888)
Yeah.
Everything Made Beautiful (10:41.041)
probably 10 years ago when I feel most alive. And it was, I kind of realized a very stark, like, I'm not tired. I'm not distracted. I feel energized. I could do this forever. And that is teaching the Bible and writing. And so when I'm doing either of those two things, I'm happy as a clam and have to, like literally my family can talk to me and be like, mom?
mom and I mean how I can shut out the outside world I don't know but I can when I'm doing that. Yeah. yes yes. Well I.
Jenny Randle (11:16.439)
I love that. That's when you know, like it's your spot, you know? Yeah.
Everything Made Beautiful (11:24.561)
I want to talk about your book, but first I just want to ask you a question because this is the Everything Made Beautiful podcast. And it isn't because we're just like, everything's beautiful all the time. It's that God is always in a restorative and redemptive process with everything on the earth. And so as part of that, we know that even though you are armed with confetti and creativity, life can also be hard and overwhelming. And so what is.
season in your life where you have experienced like this is hard, this is overwhelming, but the presence of God has shown up for you and you've seen it be made beautiful.
Jenny Randle (12:07.116)
Yeah. the process of writing this book. So the promised presence. I went in with my theological hat on and I was like, we're going to do this thing. We're going to learn. We're going to study about the Holy spirit and we're going to use big words and we're good. And it was great. And I learned a lot. but of course with the Lord, everything was way more personal than just like studying big words and being a nerd about it. so during the writing of this, I actually walked.
Everything Made Beautiful (12:10.353)
Mm-hmm.
Everything Made Beautiful (12:18.309)
Yeah.
Everything Made Beautiful (12:29.103)
Yes.
Jenny Randle (12:34.642)
And I'm still walking through a season of heartache and hardship regarding some health stuff. And I remember I texted, one of the people on the project and I was like, Hey, how do you feel about writing in process? Like, what do we think about that? And he was just like, what do you mean? Like, what are we processing through? So it was one of those things where I really had to like, prayer field, be like, okay, Lord. And I, and I talked with my husband and I was like, listen, I'm working on this project. We're discovering the Holy spirit, his power and authority.
Everything Made Beautiful (12:39.089)
Mm. Mm.
Everything Made Beautiful (12:50.235)
Yeah.
Jenny Randle (13:03.5)
I'm believing for healing in different ways. And my husband just looked at me and he's like, well, what if you don't, what if you don't get this happy ending that you're wanting? And I was offended, of course. I was like, how could you say such a thing? Like, don't you know?
Everything Made Beautiful (13:05.936)
Hmm.
Everything Made Beautiful (13:14.811)
course. You know, I got to tell you when when husbands come in with unhelpful responses. Yeah. I've had that. Yes.
Jenny Randle (13:23.014)
Do you not know? Yeah, that's great. Thanks. Um, but I got a chapter out of it. So actually, thank you, Matt, my husband. You're great. Um, but it was that question kind of settled with me. Like, what if you don't get the happy ending and we theologians call it the already and not yet. So we're living in this tension. Yeah. You've heard the term. God, God is victorious. He died on the cross. He rose. He ascended into heaven. Um,
Everything Made Beautiful (13:31.088)
Yes.
Everything Made Beautiful (13:41.295)
Yes. Liminal space, yes.
Jenny Randle (13:50.371)
but it's not yet fully realized here on earth. So like you were saying, we're walking towards full restoration. It is messy, but we're in roots and it's becoming beautiful. And if we're a believer, we have the lens, we're looking through the lens with the Holy Spirit to see the beauty that God is doing. And, and it's wild. He asked us to participate in it too, which was like, okay, why wouldn't we?
Everything Made Beautiful (14:11.823)
Yeah. Yes. Yeah, I,
I have a little bit of a mantra. It might be a book title one day that I say, look, all will be well, but first it will be hard. And it's just that two things can be true. God is sovereign and life can be really, really hard. And so yes, that resonates. so this is the book for those of you that are watching online, it's called the promised presence and introduction to the Holy spirit, to Holy spirit's power and authority, but then also a journey through Luke and Acts.
So why those two books specifically and and what drew the study there? I mean, I know the obvious answers, but why for you was it like, let's go through these two books in this study on the Holy Spirit.
Jenny Randle (15:02.71)
Yeah, so the obvious answer, I think, is what you're referring to is that Luke wrote them both. Was that your obvious answer?
Everything Made Beautiful (15:06.927)
Mm-hmm. Yes.
Yes, I mean, and that's where a lot of times I was telling you before we recorded that a lot of times when people start talking about the Holy Spirit, they just start there versus starting in Genesis. And so that was kind of it's like, well, if we're going to talk about the Holy Spirit, then we go here. And so but I know because I've, you know, looked ahead, I know that there's so much more than just let's talk about when the Holy Spirit appeared in tongues of fire. So.
Jenny Randle (15:22.362)
huh. Yeah.
Jenny Randle (15:40.599)
Yeah, yeah, yes. And you bring up such a good point because a lot of people that I've interacted with don't realize the Holy Spirit is active all throughout the biblical timeline, all throughout the beginning and the end. there's, he is God, right? He is part of the triune God. So he has those same attributes. He was before time and outside of time. So yeah, he's in Genesis hovering along the earth and then the Lord speaks and he
Everything Made Beautiful (15:40.817)
you
Everything Made Beautiful (15:53.701)
Yes.
Everything Made Beautiful (15:59.12)
Yes. Yes.
Everything Made Beautiful (16:07.493)
Yes.
Jenny Randle (16:10.51)
puts things into motion. And then in Revelation, it says like, come, the Holy Spirit says, come, and the bride price has come and they're beckoning people to Jesus. And yeah, so in order to understand who the Holy Spirit is, we have to know that he, he was present in the Old Testament. He was filling kings and priests and prophets and leaders of the, of the church. He, and then in Acts two, like you mentioned, he was poured out and that's a huge shift within the church.
within church history. So in studying Acts, obviously, like you mentioned, obvious choice. And Luke tags along with that while it's the beginning of the gospel story, which was so fascinating. went through, so I published with Esther Press and my first manuscript was a 30 page chart of all the miracles in Luke and Acts. I don't know why they told me to cut it down. I'm just kidding.
Everything Made Beautiful (16:46.32)
Right?
Jenny Randle (17:09.262)
They were like, can we maybe a little shorter? So they were gracious. But looking through all of Jesus's earthly ministry and all the miracles he did and understanding them and then seeing how he empowers the disciples to spread the gospels to the end of the earth and how the Holy Spirit ministered through them and why were there miracles?
Everything Made Beautiful (17:13.157)
You know.
Jenny Randle (17:34.712)
Who did that point to and how did it build the church? And it's just fascinating to study. And what do we do when we don't get the miracle that we think like, Lord, why haven't you healed me? But he's, he's been empowering in so many different ways. So there's that tension we live in. So yeah, I landed there because Jesus earthly ministry. And then it's, was a strengthening and empowerment of the church and acts.
Everything Made Beautiful (17:40.729)
Yes, yes.
Everything Made Beautiful (17:58.662)
Yeah, I just, cannot recommend this enough.
to you listeners and viewers because and there's nothing wrong with a trade book that you just read through that like that's great and that has its place the thing i love about this book specifically is you're not just reading you're also doing your own work you are you are all in your body like don't read this apart from your scripture have your scripture with you be turning to places you're gonna see you know jenny approaches this like a really accessible teacher
But it's theologically solid and grounded. And for those of us who grew up like I did with the Holy Spirit as somebody we knew was there, we knew there were, you know, that just like you said, the Trinity is a thing and we're not denying that. But no one taught me about the power of the Spirit. Nobody taught me anything other than if you sin, then the that you hear inside you is going to be the Holy Spirit convicting you of sin.
And so it felt very much like the Holy Spirit had a ruler. And when I, I'm old enough to have, you know, still gotten spanked in elementary school. And so that's kind of what my picture of the Holy Spirit was when I was little, because it was like, God is big and he's the father and Jesus died on the cross for us. And the Holy Spirit will smack my hand if I do something wrong. That is such a reductionist, unfair, and really untrue.
Jenny Randle (19:05.902)
Mm.
Everything Made Beautiful (19:31.98)
Yes, there's conviction, but untrue in heart about who the Holy Spirit is. So everybody needs to get the book. I'm just saying that right out front so that hopefully people will get on Amazon while we're talking and order it.
But one of the things that you say is that you wrote this book, I love this, for the struggling, the weak, and the women who wonder where God is, as well as the mama bears finding their voice. Why was it so important for you to write to that specific audience?
Jenny Randle (20:04.982)
Yeah. Well, I think as busy mama bears, you can't, you're so busy, you lose your voice or you're, you forget to slow down and you're overlooked because you're tending to all the things. and we live in such a culture of busyness and also distraction. So it's really a call to slow down and be present. and also do the, do the tasks, do the things you need to do, but also realize God is.
Everything Made Beautiful (20:11.803)
Yes.
Jenny Randle (20:32.526)
like guiding and equipping and empowering. And I think in the church world, women's voices can be diminished as well. So that's a different conversation. Yeah, AI. Part six. So yeah, the biggest...
Everything Made Beautiful (20:43.279)
Yes, we have several podcasts we need to do. AI, Women Diminished in the Church. Got it? Okay.
Jenny Randle (20:59.586)
The biggest heart posture I want that genre of women to come away with is that God is empowering his people. And when we're distracted, when we're busy, when we're in a season of, I call it the ministry of desperation, when we have nothing, literally nothing left because of our circumstances, and we just like, we need a miracle. We're desperate to see the move of God.
posture we're in where we're like, God, have nothing. Like I have nothing left to give you. And this book is for those moments.
Everything Made Beautiful (21:37.938)
That's so good. What I just told you like the misconception I was raised in. What are some of the other misconceptions that you found about the Holy Spirit either from your own story especially coming to Christ 18 and on. What were some misconceptions either that you have found as you've studied or that you even held about the Holy Spirit?
Jenny Randle (22:01.932)
Yeah. one that's popping to the forefront of my mind is that the Holy Spirit is our conscience. which is interesting because, as a believer, the Holy, it says the Holy Spirit and dwells us that's in Romans eight and in his and dwelling of us, that means he's in dwelling our mind, our feelings, our, motivations, our conscience, like our decision-making and, and our brain. So he is.
He is not that, but he's in dwelling that part of us, our physical bodies. so it's, it's bigger. He's bigger. Sorry. I said it. Lord, forgive me. That's another misconception. The Holy Spirit is an it. He is a he. So I can't believe I just did that. That's really funny. I feel embarrassed. The Holy Spirit is, is a he. And also like referring to him. I've heard people refer to him as
Everything Made Beautiful (22:42.225)
Right. Yeah. Right. Yes.
Jenny Randle (22:59.874)
the ghost of Christianity, just spooking around. Yeah, like, it's too creepy, too creepy to enter into. Or even like the angel on the shoulder versus the bad guy. Of course, like you said, he's drawing us to conviction and we should be repentant, but he's also guiding us towards Jesus.
Everything Made Beautiful (23:02.781)
like kind of like Scrooge like visiting. Yeah, I don't love that. Yeah.
Everything Made Beautiful (23:16.101)
Yeah. Yeah.
Jenny Randle (23:25.886)
And his conviction is rooted, like drawing us to repent is rooted in the love of Christ. So I've heard a lot of misconceptions. For me, race Catholic saved Pentecostal. So I had to go on a journey of like figuring out what is a healthy expression of the Holy Spirit. I've seen a lot of misrepresentations or expressions of him that were questionable.
Everything Made Beautiful (23:47.483)
Yeah.
Jenny Randle (23:54.543)
in the stream I was in for a while and I kind of, we all have different theological leanings, so now I'm more of a mutt of denominational beliefs and different doctrines. But of course I hold the truth that Jesus is Lord and Savior. But in that, I will never waver from, I believe the Holy Spirit is, and dwells his believers and wants to minister in and through us. And I'm also a continuationist, so I believe the gifts still exist.
Everything Made Beautiful (24:05.102)
Hahaha
Yes.
Jenny Randle (24:24.014)
for today. And that being said, there's been a lot of question marks around who he is and what that expression or what it looks like to walk with him daily is also a question mark for a lot of people.
Everything Made Beautiful (24:37.425)
Yeah.
Everything Made Beautiful (24:40.837)
Yeah, I think the walking with him daily is, you know, we either have seen or have heard of outpourings of the Holy Spirit, like these just amazing,
most of us have not ever seen it or been there necessarily but have heard of it and thought wow what must that be like or another misconception that I have heard is like you're you either have the power of the Holy Spirit or you don't in that sense and so people like looking for okay well when am I going to receive the Holy Spirit but yes please do please do
Jenny Randle (25:17.07)
That's a so can I speak to that? Sorry, finish your thought. Finish your thought and then we'll tackle that.
Everything Made Beautiful (25:23.845)
Well, no, because I'll remember where I was going. But yeah, let's pause there.
Jenny Randle (25:29.11)
Okay, so what you mentioned is classic Pentecostal theology, which is fine. But they believe that there's a second occurrence where you're baptized with the spirit, it's outside of salvation, and that the manifestation of speaking in tongues follows. So because of that classic Pentecostal doctrine, it's been...
Everything Made Beautiful (25:32.891)
Yeah.
Everything Made Beautiful (25:38.95)
Yes.
Jenny Randle (25:54.115)
damaging to a lot of people because they think, I'm less than in the kingdom of God. I haven't had that.
Everything Made Beautiful (26:00.667)
Yeah. Well, it's like, well, we non-denominational people don't stand a chance at that point, you know? So it's like, yeah, or Southern Baptist, where it's like, well, I guess, so I guess we're not having that. Yeah, so I think that's been.
at the very least confusing and to your point at the very worst damaging or, or isolating or exclusionary. but I think even more so for the people I normally talk to for the people that were in my women's ministry at church, it is,
all of that stuff out there is great or if I'm going to go to that conference that always has that sort of moment or go to the revival or go to this or go to that but what does it look like to understand that I have the indwelling power of the Holy Spirit scripture says the same power that raised Christ from the dead living in me indwelling me when I'm cooking dinner or leading a meeting or raising or disciplining my children or getting groceries like I think
Yes, there's the what do those big experiences look like, but also what is the dare I say mundane life experience look like as a person indwell by the Holy Spirit.
Jenny Randle (27:14.306)
Yeah.
Jenny Randle (27:19.118)
Yeah, yes. I love the big experiences. I love the moments where you're in worship, you're crying your face off. You're like, I know the Lord is here. And I think those help sustain us in a lot of ways. And I like how you worded the classic Pentecostal theology. I was like, damaging. You used nicer words. So I appreciate that because I do love, I love the history of the Pentecostal church.
Everything Made Beautiful (27:27.631)
Mm-hmm. Yes.
Everything Made Beautiful (27:40.281)
Now it's good.
Jenny Randle (27:45.707)
And I appreciate it because it's shaped the way for people to have encounters and experiences with God. And, but, but it is still true that God is ever present. And I had a professor say that the Holy Spirit is present everywhere. He's it's just different with what that looks like. So in when we're doing the dishes.
Everything Made Beautiful (27:50.575)
Mm-hmm.
Everything Made Beautiful (28:04.689)
Mm.
Jenny Randle (28:07.746)
We might not have this like come to Jesus moment where we have like chill bumps and we're like, my gosh, so encountered by the Lord, but we're, we're, this might sound stupid or, or mundane, but we're showing up faithfully to do the things God asks of us in this season. And we're paying attention and we're placing value on the things God place values on, places value on. So I think when we are living for the bigger moments, we're missing out on the present ones that are just as important.
Everything Made Beautiful (28:15.308)
Mm-hmm.
Everything Made Beautiful (28:28.966)
Yeah.
Everything Made Beautiful (28:35.781)
Yeah.
Jenny Randle (28:37.134)
And in those moments too, he's calling us close and he's leading us in how to interact with our kids. There's been times I've had conversations with my children and I could feel, I could just sense the Holy Spirit being like, don't say that. Don't say that. And I'm like, but it sounds so great. Nope. They're, they're not asking for your wisdom right now. Like be, just guiding the simplest of conversations. know, Lord, don't you know? Nope. Not right now.
Everything Made Beautiful (28:45.243)
Yeah.
Everything Made Beautiful (28:52.251)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Everything Made Beautiful (28:59.579)
But I have so much wisdom.
Jenny Randle (29:07.214)
And that's when you get your journal out and you're like, what I wanted to say.
Everything Made Beautiful (29:10.127)
Right? What I was really gearing up for was...
Jenny Randle (29:14.542)
The spelt really good Lord. But and we don't and the thing is about us being human is that we only see in part and like we we get glimpses of the bigger picture of what God's doing but who knows why you and this is the sovereignty of the Lord right like who knows why you're at the grocery store and the moment you're at the grocery store maybe you're coming across a new friend and they need
Everything Made Beautiful (29:23.535)
Yes.
Jenny Randle (29:38.679)
or you need to smile at the mom that's chugging along with a hundred kids and she's so defeated and your smile like is brightening her day, you know, like the simplest of things the Lord can use. So when we're present in those mundane moments and not distracted from his presence in dwelling us, then we can walk and abide in Christ and our hopefully our motivations and our actions will follow.
Everything Made Beautiful (29:46.159)
Yes.
Everything Made Beautiful (30:03.269)
Yeah, so good. I think what I love about, at least in my sphere, I'm having a lot more conversations about the Holy Spirit than I ever did.
Jenny Randle (30:14.734)
Yay. Yeah.
Everything Made Beautiful (30:15.757)
in the years previous. I don't know if that's because all my friends are writing about it or it's just but anytime something kind of is showing up as a recurring theme I sense it as an invitation almost a beckoning from the Lord like of like lean in more there's more and we know he's better than we even know but it just feels like there's more so I just want to encourage people if you too are hearing a
Jenny Randle (30:37.741)
Mm-hmm.
Everything Made Beautiful (30:45.851)
of conversation but not not even just conversation teaching on the Holy Spirit maybe that's an invitation to lean in and to discover that he's better than we know
One of the things that I think about when I think about the Holy Spirit is the way that, and I stumbled over it when I was reading your book subtitle, because you specifically say an introduction to Holy Spirit's power and authority. You do not say the Holy Spirit, which I have been saying this whole time, because I have never.
Jenny Randle (31:11.726)
Thank
Everything Made Beautiful (31:25.209)
developed the habit or the comfort with saying holy spirit in the same way I would say you know Jesus. So what was that on purpose in the subtitle and kind of just give us some words around holy spirit as his name versus the holy spirit which is a little bit more removed and lofty I would say.
Jenny Randle (31:51.151)
Mm hmm. Yeah. So I started placing that into practice when I wrote my second book, You Didn't Know God's Voice, and it caused a lot of drama. They're like, are you sure? Like, it just doesn't flow. Yeah. So we had some meetings and they're like, all right, let's do it. And I was really grateful because it actually it's harder. It's easier to write without the the and it's harder to speak because it's just a natural and it's actually in the Bible, like the Holy Spirit. So I understand.
Everything Made Beautiful (32:01.793)
interesting.
Everything Made Beautiful (32:12.517)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, interesting.
Jenny Randle (32:19.724)
And I appreciate the biblical texts and I'm not trying to pull away from that. So everyone do your own thing. Right. but for me, I was like, you know what? I don't want to, I don't say the Jesus, like you already mentioned, I'm not saying that Jesus, the father God. and it, I want to personalize who the Holy spirit is and he's not a it's he's not a mystical force or a dove bumper sticker, although he's represented in different ways, right. In the Bible.
Everything Made Beautiful (32:47.472)
Mm-hmm.
Jenny Randle (32:49.368)
He is a he and he's very personal. So just taking away the the is actually just me trying to train my brain to be conscious, like to be aware that he's ever present and he's a person, a divine person within my life.
Everything Made Beautiful (33:04.667)
Yeah, that's good. I have tried it on a little bit. I probably need to just like, just study more and pray through it. And to your point, scripture does use the, and there's not a wrong way, but it does tend to keep him further, I think away mentally and possibly emotionally if that.
title if I'm addressing him with a title versus a name. So I just thought that was interesting. Yeah, the Shannon. Yes, or like the mom, the wife, like just yeah, it's bizarre. But I mean, I even stumbled over it and was like, I'm coming back to that. When I was reading it. You mentioned the way that the Holy Spirit shows up in Scripture.
Jenny Randle (33:33.046)
Yeah, the Shannon. The Shannon's over there. Yeah, it's weird when you, yeah.
Jenny Randle (33:42.171)
yeah, yeah.
Everything Made Beautiful (33:55.506)
you know, theophanies would be the like, you know, theological term for any time that God is represented in a certain way. Can you just for people give a few examples of where we see the Holy Spirit beyond what we go, in Acts with like the tongues of fire.
Jenny Randle (34:15.852)
Yeah. so in the Old Testament, the Holy, the Holy Spirit, Lord bless it. Holy Spirit. I'm like, I, you know, I'm butchering everything today. Yeah. we're fine Lord. he, so in the Old Testament, Holy Spirit Phil, says he fills prophets. I already mentioned prophets, priests, Kings, church leaders.
Everything Made Beautiful (34:25.217)
Mm-hmm. You go back and forth. No, you go back and forth.
Jenny Randle (34:43.307)
And there's no evidence that it's a permanent filling. It's a temporary, they get the job done, they're empowered to do their tasks. There's an empowerment there.
Everything Made Beautiful (34:51.417)
An example of that would be like Saul. Yeah. Yes.
Jenny Randle (34:54.168)
Saul. Yeah, Bezalot, a craftsman, like building the tabernacle. He was filled to do that creative task, which is so interesting. The prophets were filled to speak. so there comes a point where in Luke, Jesus, so this is after he resurrected, right before he ascends to heaven, he speaks to his disciples. And he's like, I'm going to send you a helper. I'm going to send you the
Everything Made Beautiful (35:00.037)
Yes.
Jenny Randle (35:23.394)
The Helpers promised, I'm butchering it. It's in Luke 24. Why don't I just read it so I'm not making stuff up here? He says, so he recaps, I just died for your sins. He's like, in case you didn't get the memo, this is what just happened. And he's like, and you're actually gonna proclaim that to all the nations. So he's telling them, this is what's gonna go down. And you've witnessed these things. And then he says, behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. And then he's like, but stay in the city until you are clothed with power on high.
Everything Made Beautiful (35:27.077)
Mm-hmm.
Everything Made Beautiful (35:37.242)
Right.
Jenny Randle (35:52.867)
So we see that connection of the Holy Spirit and being clothed with power on high. And then that moment obviously is the moment of Pentecost in Acts two. And then that is where I believe the Holy Spirit where everything shifts. And this is the moment where now the Holy Spirit isn't infilling, he isn't filling people temporarily, but he's filling people believers permanently. And the fruit from Acts two is that thousands were saved that day.
And then we see all throughout Acts, there's three or four other instances where groups of people were baptized with the Holy Spirit. So I think that's an important moment for us to embrace as well, being baptized where they recognize God's power in a tangible way. And because of that, there's evidence to share the gospel. Like Jesus said, you're going to testify to who I am.
There's the other evidence is there's an endurance to do that, but there's also a manifestation of the Spirit. So when people are experiencing this baptism with the Spirit, they're worshiping and extolling God. They're prophesying. They're speaking in unknown languages. And the fruit of that is that the church is strengthened and the gospel goes forth.
Everything Made Beautiful (37:05.083)
Yeah.
Everything Made Beautiful (37:14.351)
Yeah, I love that. And how kind of the Lord to go from temporary indwelling of the Spirit for a specific task or function to just the generosity of God in I am now moving from a almost transactional experience of the indwelling of the Spirit to this is my generous gift to
Jenny Randle (37:43.042)
Yeah.
Everything Made Beautiful (37:43.822)
all who believe in me and we don't see any evidence after that point that we as believers can any more lose the spirit than we can lose our salvation. Whereas
Jenny Randle (37:54.478)
exactly.
Everything Made Beautiful (37:56.24)
The scripture is very clear that God removed the spirit from Saul after repeated disobedience. And just to know that that's not our story and just the generosity of God in that like overwhelms me when I think about it because he didn't have to do that. He had already been doing something else. He didn't have to be so generous, but he is, which tells me.
Jenny Randle (38:16.802)
Yeah.
Everything Made Beautiful (38:19.643)
There's so much more than we know to this third person of the Trinity. I would love to just give you a moment to encourage anybody who's listening or watching and has the, I'm weary, I'm overwhelmed, I maybe even feel unseen by God right now. What encouragement about the promised presence would you give to those people?
Jenny Randle (38:22.06)
Yes.
Jenny Randle (38:41.23)
you
Jenny Randle (38:50.03)
My biggest encouragement would be to slow down and see God. I think we can, it's effortless to focus on circumstance when it's in our face. And for me, my mind will spiral and all the other things will like just take front and center stage. So my encouragement from being in those moments is to slow down and realize that, okay, his spirit,
The Holy Spirit indwells me. What does it look like to actually receive that promise? What does it look like to receive the Holy Spirit? Because we can be given a gift and he is, it says in scripture, the Holy Spirit, he is a gift and he gives gifts. And if we are given this gift, have we unwrapped it? Are we putting him to use? Not in a bad way, but like, are we embracing the fullness of what it means to be a Christian?
Everything Made Beautiful (39:38.289)
Yeah.
Jenny Randle (39:45.913)
So slowing down and receiving the Holy Spirit. And that can be as simple as saying, Lord, I want whatever you have for me. I'll receive what that looks like. And then Lord, help me respond to how the Holy Spirit wants to minister in my heart, in my mindset, in my circumstance, and then beyond me so I can see others and minister to strengthen my local church. What does that look like to use the gifts you've given me? And then of course, our response should always be one,
with a humble heart. And we should always, if we feel the Lord ministering through us, we should always do that with a word of caution that the Holy Spirit always aligns with scripture and the character of God. And if those are the greatest safeguards we can have, and the whole point of it is to point people to Jesus. And knowing that God is within us, that's enough.
Everything Made Beautiful (40:27.739)
Yes. Yes.
Everything Made Beautiful (40:43.685)
Yes.
Jenny Randle (40:43.884)
What, what Jesus has done, like, like you were saying, it's, it's this beautiful, gracious gift that we are given to receive and receiving him and responding to what that looks like is, is just slowing down and seeking him.
Everything Made Beautiful (40:58.321)
Mm.
Yeah, so good. Well, before we close, I want to ask you the question that I ask all my guests to close the podcast because this is the Everything Made Beautiful podcast. And we believe God's not only making everything beautiful from hard things or broken things, but everything that is beautiful is from him. So in light of that, if you could design your perfect, beautiful day, what would it look like?
from start to finish and the one caveat I'll give you is there's no boundaries on your perfect beautiful day so if you need to time travel if you need to not be allergic to gluten anymore or whatever the thing is that is the limitation in this life that doesn't exist in the perfect beautiful day
Jenny Randle (41:39.562)
my gosh.
Jenny Randle (41:51.375)
Wow. Okay. I need to, I feel like I need to give a disclaimer. I'm, I'm a raging introvert. So my, okay. Okay. I want you to tell me your perfect day after. So I won't steal your thoughts. Um, I'd be like, Oh yeah, me too. Um, so my perfect day, I would sleep in. I would wake up. mean, this feels very narcissistic. I, it's all about me right now. I'm going to sleep in. I'm going to wake up and have my perfect.
Everything Made Beautiful (41:59.139)
Mm, so am I.
Everything Made Beautiful (42:08.045)
Yeah.
Everything Made Beautiful (42:16.881)
Mm-hmm.
Jenny Randle (42:19.926)
latte with almond milk. And then I'm going to go with my family to Aloha Bagel and get an egg breakfast sandwich with bacon. And we're going to eat it and we're going to laugh and have so much fun. And then we're going to go to the beach because I love where we live and we go to beach every day when we can. Going to go to the beach and I'm going to float on the waves and it's going to be the kind of floating that's like magical where you're not getting crashed and like, you know, like suffocating. Yeah. And you feel like you're kind of mermaid vibes, even though you're just
Everything Made Beautiful (42:27.601)
Mm.
Everything Made Beautiful (42:41.487)
Yes, but there's enough. huh.
Mm-hmm.
Jenny Randle (42:48.608)
in your four days awkwardly stumbling around, it's gonna feel really great. And you're gonna hear the Lord there and it's gonna be peace and filled with greatness. And then you're gonna, I feel like we should read the Bible at some point. We'll do that. We'll study scripture. But then we're gonna go to the carnival because that's really fun. And we're gonna play all the carnival games. And it's just gonna be great. I don't know. I feel like my perfect day is just not.
Everything Made Beautiful (43:00.869)
Yes.
Everything Made Beautiful (43:08.091)
Mm-hmm.
Jenny Randle (43:17.184)
My theological loving Jesus worshiping brain is feeling convicted that I'm not like ministering the gospel. But I feel like my perfect day is with my inner circle of people and just having fun and relaxing and going slow. What about you? Is your perfect day like ministering to the masses and like.
Everything Made Beautiful (43:23.825)
It's okay.
Yes. Yes. Yes, I love it.
Everything Made Beautiful (43:37.424)
I have to tell you, you're the only person in at least at this count, 50 some odd episodes that's ever asked me what mine is. So, yeah, no, mine does not have any. It's funny. has no speaking in it though. I love it and feel fully alive when I'm doing it. That's not the perfect, beautiful day.
Jenny Randle (43:46.267)
my gosh, yeah.
Everything Made Beautiful (44:00.719)
The perfect beautiful day for me is sleeping in, no question. So like no alarm. Now, I don't care if I sleep until eight or 10, as long as when I wake up, it's because I woke up, not because my iPhone woke me up.
Jenny Randle (44:05.774)
Yeah.
Everything Made Beautiful (44:16.749)
And then I have coffee with whip. I have whipped cream on coffee every day. So I have that. And it never gets cold. And I don't ever have to refill it. So somehow it's just, whether that's my husband or my children or magic, however that happens doesn't matter to me. Yeah. It's just, it's always hot. Exactly.
Jenny Randle (44:20.59)
Ooh, nice.
Jenny Randle (44:30.062)
I like how you're thinking. I should have brought some magic vibes in mine. Okay, yep. See, I would have stole that idea for sure. Okay. That's great.
Everything Made Beautiful (44:37.443)
yeah okay great you're welcome to steal it and then i would have books commentaries bible journal all my favorite colored pens and there would be a however long i wanted to quiet time read study prepare a message or read a book that would all happen for endless hours but somehow the day is not going because you're going to be amazed at how much is in this day
Jenny Randle (45:04.334)
you
Everything Made Beautiful (45:04.795)
Then I'm going to get up. Sometime in that, I will have probably had a dark toasted Asiago cheese bagel with plain cream cheese. Yeah.
Jenny Randle (45:12.27)
That was my bagel at the bagel shop. Yep. Same.
Everything Made Beautiful (45:15.619)
Yes, so I would have definitely had that. Then magically I would have somehow gotten dressed and done my hair and makeup because that is such a waste of time to me. Like I cannot stand the time I'm losing getting dressed and getting ready, but here we go. So I'm now dressed and ready and we're going to go to Disney World. And the reason we're going to do that is because my daughter works there. And so my
Jenny Randle (45:33.865)
Wait, does she really use that in your magical day? She only works there. wow. That's so cool.
Everything Made Beautiful (45:41.636)
No, she is. She's a cast member at Disney. Yes. So she's been there for about three years. And so, but because this is a perfect, beautiful day, I'm going to show up at one place and all in a line are going to be all my favorite rides with no line. And I'm just going to start and I'm going to ride all my favorite rides at all four parks, but they're all together. I ride them all and then we're done.
And then somehow when I get back to where I'm staying, it has moved to a log cabin in Park City with feet of snow and a roaring fire. And now the rest of the time I'm in snow and I'm perfectly content. So at some point in there, I could have gone to the beach because I do love the Caymans. That's where I'm going next week. That is my happy place, but not if I have to choose.
the beach and snow. Snow wins every time. So yeah, that's it.
Jenny Randle (46:36.626)
girl. I'm the opposite with that, but I love the details of your perfect day, especially with the like time, time travel makeup routine. Like that was really smart. Yeah.
Everything Made Beautiful (46:48.891)
Yeah. Yeah. You just gotta, yeah. It's like, let's don't spend unnecessary minutes doing maintenance. Like let's just, all of that's done somehow. So yeah. Yes. It's fun.
Jenny Randle (46:56.108)
Yeah. Yeah. That's so good. I love it. That's such a great question. I'm sure all the listeners are like, let me think through my perfect day.
Everything Made Beautiful (47:05.485)
I've read everybody's. It's very interesting because you know, the answer to the question shows up differently because of the personalities. So some people, it was the most stressed of any of the questions I sent them was like, what is my perfect day? my God. And other people are like, yeah, I forgot you were going to ask that. Let's see. And they'll just come up with something on the fly, but they're really thought through ones are fun. And it also gives us great ideas for things we should probably be doing. So, but it's good.
Jenny Randle (47:27.053)
Yeah.
Jenny Randle (47:32.94)
Yeah. I should have included where, where jammies, but they look really cute or like some, like where scrubby outfit, but you still look magical. Cause that's the trends. Yeah. Like something would be great like that. That's a fun question. Yeah.
Everything Made Beautiful (47:37.348)
Yes.
You still look adorable. Yeah, totally. Yeah, it's probably like Lululemon or somebody's made like the perfect loungewear, but you don't look like, you know, a bum. Totally.
Jenny Randle (47:48.975)
Yeah. I should have upgraded my house in this perfect day. All of a sudden I have a mansion and somehow it just appeared. Yeah, I'll find stuff.
Everything Made Beautiful (47:54.512)
I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's good. So now you know and you can be making notes about your day.
well, I cannot thank you enough for being on the show. I, this is such important conversation to be having. I honestly was thinking as I was just reading through the book, I think the enemy of our souls wants nothing more than for us to not understand specifically about the spirit. I think that, you know, that's
that unlocks kind of some ongoing power that I think the enemy is like, look, I've lost the battle for their salvation, but if I can tank their sanctification, I kind of win because then nobody else is going to be impacted for the kingdom. And so I think confusion around the spirit accomplishes that. So I'm really grateful that you have taken on the task of bringing clarity where there's been such confusion. So thank you for that.
Jenny Randle (48:54.528)
Thanks for your kind words. That means a lot.
Everything Made Beautiful (48:56.911)
Yeah. Well, to those of you who are listening, I will put all of Jenny's information in the show notes, website, book links, all of the things so that you know where to find and follow her and so that you can absolutely get this book, read it and let it transform your understanding of the generosity of God in the way that he has revealed himself to us. So make sure that you go to the show notes, click on all the things and get this book.
read it and then we would love to hear from you things you're learning things you understand or if you have questions for jenny send them my way and i'll make sure that she gets them because when somebody pours themselves onto pages this way it definitely costs them something so a gift that we can give to her is to let her know what her work means to us so make sure you send that my way as well and be on the lookout as always for the things that god is making beautiful around you but in
including you. And we will see you next time.