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Learn how to recognize tick-borne illness symptoms, reduce your risk in the field, and advocate for your health if something feels wrong.
Host Adrian Jessen sits down with hunter and outdoorswoman Laura Adele to share her life-changing experience with Lyme disease, Rocky Mountain spotted fever, and the long-term impacts of tick-borne illness. What began as a turkey hunt in 2012 became a years-long medical journey involving misdiagnoses, hospitalizations, and ongoing treatment.
Laura shares the symptoms she wishes she had recognized sooner, the challenges of navigating the healthcare system, and the prevention practices she never skips today. This conversation is a powerful reminder that every hunter, angler, and outdoor enthusiast should take tick exposure seriously.
In this episode, you’ll learn:
- Common symptoms of Lyme disease and other tick-borne illnesses
- Why many people never remember the tick bite itself
- What to do if you find a tick attached to your body
- How Lyme disease can be misdiagnosed for years
- Tick prevention strategies for hunters and outdoor enthusiasts
- The reality of living with chronic Lyme disease
- How Rocky Mountain spotted fever and alpha-gal concerns affect outdoor recreation
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Adrian Jessen
Adrian Jessen is a reviewer, writer, and adult-onset hunter best known as co-founder and on-camera host of the YouTube channel Review This Thing. Since 2020, she and her husband Robbie have published thorough, real‑world reviews and tutorials on optics, firearms, archery, and outdoor gear—built around a promise to be complete, honest, and unbiased. Adrian also contributes to titles such as North American Deer Hunter and Crossbow Magazine. When she isn’t testing new kit, she’s likely chasing spring gobblers or helping new hunters choose reliable gear and build safe, ethical skills.
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First and foremost, I never in a million years would have thought I would go turkey hunting it and go to sleep one day and wake up, and my whole life would change in a blink of an eye. I was probably up to twenty two pills a day. How old is most? About eight or nine doctors until I got to my last doctor, and by that time, it was too late.
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Adrian Jessen:Welcome to the ASCEND podcast by Ducks Unlimited. I'm Adrian, and today we're gonna talk about a topic that is super important, spring, summer, early fall hunting seasons when the ticks are out, and that is Lyme disease. I'm joined today by Laura Adele. She is an avid hunter, loves to travel, and raises turkeys, which is interesting because I know she's a turkey hunter. One of her favorite things is to call turkeys, especially with her natural voice.
Adrian Jessen:So, Laura, thank you so much for being here.
Laura Adele:Thank y'all for letting me be here.
Adrian Jessen:Let's go back to your origin story with your journey with Lyme disease.
Laura Adele:First and foremost, I never in a million years would have thought I would go turkey hunting it and go to sleep one day and wake up, and my whole life would change in a blink of an eye. 2012, I took my little cousin on a turkey hunt. He got his turkey, but I also got Lyme disease. So I got really sick, and we couldn't figure out what was wrong with me. I was a very active 21 year old.
Laura Adele:I was into softball, hunting, fishing, and a week went by and I was still not getting any better. Two weeks went by, I started seeing my first doctor and they were like, oh, it's the flu. And I wasn't getting any better. My second doctor, I was like, the first one's telling me the same thing. Let me get another opinion.
Laura Adele:Went through a second doctor, and they were like, oh, you have fibromyalgia. Well, first, second, third, fourth, and it was always these other issues of diagnosis. I had this or I had this, and I was on medicine. I was about I was probably up to twenty two pills a day. Holy smokes.
Laura Adele:About eight or nine doctors until I got to my last doctor. And by that time, it was too late. I was 195 or so into Lyme disease when he looked at me and he said, I already know what's going on with you, but I wanna test you. And by that time, he said, if I don't put you in the hospital, you're gonna die. My brain fog was so bad.
Laura Adele:It was horrible. So I went through my first spinal tap, which was for Lyme meningitis. So it was rough.
Adrian Jessen:Did you know that you had you had had a tick bite? Like, did you find a tick?
Laura Adele:So seventy five percent of people that contract Lyme or Rocky Mountain spotted fever never remember getting bit. I had no idea that I had been bitten at all. I had a rash. When I tell you you couldn't have painted a prettier bull's eye, it was perfect. There was no it was dot in the circle circle.
Laura Adele:Gosh. At that point in time, nobody had told me or educated me on Lyme disease. And if you look back, you really in Mississippi, in the Southern States, you really don't hear about Lyme. Doctors didn't really want to diagnose you or talk about it. You know?
Laura Adele:They didn't think about testing you.
Adrian Jessen:Right. How long does it have to be attached before you can contract?
Laura Adele:It needs to be I don't I don't now when
VO:I say need to be, don't let it hang on you.
Laura Adele:Yeah. A lot of people that have tics, they don't they don't realize that they have them. So I've I've had tics inside my ear, like dark places, like your waistline, under your arms, your chin, like behind your ears. Ticks can be on you for months at a time, at least ten to fifteen days before they say, oh, I'm done with her. I wanna fall off.
Laura Adele:I tell a lot of my friends that reach out to me, they're like, hey, Laura, I have a tick on me. This is what it looks like. They'll send me pictures. I don't care what area it is. If you got a question, let me know.
Laura Adele:I've been there. But a lot of people don't get the bull's eye. They get the really bad tick bite. And a lot of times those tick bites come with co infections. With Borrelia burgdorferia, you can have alpha gal, and you can have three or four co infections on top of those depending on where the lone star tick bit you or how long it's been on to you.
Laura Adele:So you have thirty days after a tick is on you to go to the doctor.
Adrian Jessen:Oh, wow. Okay. What would you say are kind of the top typical symptoms? Like, if somebody is having these three to five symptoms, they they need to go get checked out and tell the doctor that they spend time outside, they spend time in the woods. What would those be?
Laura Adele:Flu like symptoms, COVID symptoms. So your your body's gonna ache. You're gonna get migraines. You're gonna be very fatigued, dry mouth. You're gonna have vertigo symptoms.
Laura Adele:You'll be a little dizzy. You'll have ringing in your ears. Now that doesn't apply to everyone. A lot of times, Lyme is misdiagnosed of fibromyalgia or vertigo or, I hate to say it, depression. A lot of people get anxiety.
Laura Adele:I'll tell you what's heartbreaking is back when I was first diagnosed and was on treatments, there was this little 10 year old little boy and he had it worse than I did, but some of his symptoms were he was bleeding. And I didn't get that symptom of internal bleeding or bleeding or stomach issues or with my gut until I was in stage four, but he had got the worst part out of stage one and stage two. So a lot of Lyme can be attached itself to your gut. Any kind of underlying issues that you have genetically, Borrelia burgdorferi, the bacteria, which is the parasite, can attach itself to and make it worse than what it was before you would have got diagnosed.
Adrian Jessen:Gosh. So just the symptoms can look different because it can exacerbate something you may already have going on that isn't even the symptoms somebody else may have. Yeah. Wow. I did not realize that.
Adrian Jessen:And you said everybody doesn't get the rash, you said. Is that correct?
Laura Adele:Yes, ma'am.
Adrian Jessen:That's unfortunate because a lot and, you know, everything you read is like, oh, look for the, like you say, that very stereotypical bull's eye red center, a little bit of white out, and then another red a red ring around that. But that is obviously a good indicator if you immediately if you
Laura Adele:see that, you should go get that checked out immediately. Oh, that. If you see that, you better run. I'm talking about don't even ask your mama or your daddy, you better run. Don't even I'm talking about don't even wait a minute.
Laura Adele:That it it can cost you a lot in the long run. It's it's caused me a quite deal of of pain because I waited.
Adrian Jessen:Yeah. And you said it's you have a thirty day window. Is that correct?
Laura Adele:Yep. Thirty days. You have thirty days from the time which, again, it all goes back to so many people don't even know they have a tick on you, and so many people don't even know that they've been bitten. It's it's crazy to think. And then it's also crazy that doctors, you have to request for these tests.
Laura Adele:Like, you have to Yeah. Ask them to test you, which is the wild part about it because they don't think about it. Right.
Adrian Jessen:And I've I've read some articles before, and they're like, you know, if you hunt and you're sick, like, make sure you tell the doctor. And obviously, you know, especially during turkey season, we sit on the ground a lot, and you're walking through thick stuff so the tick can be on a bush and climb up your bootleg or, you know, your pants leg. What steps can people take to avoid the tick bite to begin with?
Laura Adele:I am a firm believer permethrin. I'm probably saying that wrong because it's my country accent, but bathe in it. Live in reed.
Adrian Jessen:I think that's close. Yeah.
Laura Adele:I have a buddy that is big into Element Outdoors. And when I tell y'all that when I got introduced to this camouflage, it changed my life because Element Outdoors puts special spray or special formula into their clothing where ticks are repelled away from you. And as somebody that has now I'm a a phobia of ticks, but I still hunt. And people ask me all the time, they're like, you still hunt? Yes.
Laura Adele:Yes. I do. Turkeys. Still hunt turkeys. When I tell you I don't have a tick on me, I don't.
Adrian Jessen:Yeah. If you're looking for clothing that you don't have to treat, it'll say something about insect shield.
Laura Adele:Mhmm.
Adrian Jessen:I've also seen, I haven't tried this, so I don't know how it works, but you can send in your clothes to Insect Shield.
VO:Mhmm.
Adrian Jessen:Like, you can bag up your clothes and ship them to them, and they'll go ahead and treat them with that stuff. I think the and you can correct me if I'm wrong because I'm certain you've researched this more than I have. But I think the the benefit to that is it lasts a bit longer than, like, your Sawyers or Ranger Ready Sprays. Like, you can wash it 70 or 80 times before that's not good anymore. What else can people do?
Laura Adele:So my mom and my grandma have taught me this since this happened to me in 2012. Take Clorox, a little catful. Let me repeat that. A little catful, just a little bit, and then pour it in your bathwater. Yeah.
Laura Adele:Do not be like do not be cooking and just be like, oh, that's it. No. Don't do that. Just a cat full. It will it will burn.
Adrian Jessen:Turn the jug up.
Laura Adele:Uh-huh. Oh, no. You won't even have freckles. So it kills them immediately. As soon as you get in the water, it just kills them.
Adrian Jessen:Okay. Interesting tip. What what else? What other
Laura Adele:things can we do? Step three, it I don't see a lot of people doing this, but tea tree oil, rub it on your arms, your legs. I'm a firm believer. I bought these bands that I took and roll in where it keeps ticks from going in my pants. But I put tea tree oil all the way around my rim of my boots, side of my pants, legs, and my socks.
Laura Adele:They can't stand the smell Gotcha. Which thank the Lord that turkeys can't smell us because we'd never kill one.
Adrian Jessen:Never. So, yeah, you can use all the things that smell, thankfully. Yes. You you
Laura Adele:can use all the things.
Adrian Jessen:I've heard a couple people say that they'll take bring, like, a a lint roller with them. And then when they get done with the woods, they'll just, like, rent lint roller their pants to make sure they pull any any ticks that may have gotten onto their clothing off. Also heard you can put your clothes in a hot dryer, and it'll kill them. What do you think about those?
Laura Adele:Only issue with the lint roller is if they're already attached to you, I don't see a lint roller pulling them off because people don't realize how strong ticks are when they're attached to you.
Adrian Jessen:Oh, I bet.
Laura Adele:It takes I mean, even when you're using a a pair of tweezers, I mean, it's it's it's kinda hard.
Adrian Jessen:Now but on your clothing, it would it should totally get it off that.
Laura Adele:It should. It it should. Now clothing, it should. And especially a dryer with heat. Ticks hate heat.
Laura Adele:Yeah. I mean, I don't like the heat for sure. I'm not gonna
VO:be hanging on in the heat.
Adrian Jessen:That's right. So a, treat your clothing with permethrin insect shield, tea tree oil, tuck in your pants and your socks, limit the avenues for ticks to actually get on your skin. And Yeah. You can use the lint roller on your clothes, try the dryer, and then check yourself.
Laura Adele:Yes. You did great. That was it.
Adrian Jessen:That may sound excessive. Like, you may hear that and be like, is it really that serious? Well, we're gonna take a break, and we're gonna come back and hear what Laura's been through, and you'll figure out indeed it is that serious. Now we're gonna talk to Laura about her treatment journey. Okay, Laura.
Adrian Jessen:So let's rewind. Talk us through the journey of once they diagnosed you and you knew what what it was, what's that journey looked like treatment wise for you?
Laura Adele:I should probably have my own room at a hospital now with my name on it. I spend more time in a hospital than I do outside. It's it's been a wild ride for me knowing I was never sick before I got chronic Lyme disease. So 2012 started my journey of 36 surgeries, which that's how old I am. MediPorts, PICC lines, deoxycycline, Rocephin, which I will be on deoxycycline and Rocephin until I die.
Laura Adele:It's not curable anymore. I'm in my final stage, which is the worst stage that you can make it to. And there's a lot of lot of people out there like me that are in the worst stage of Lyme, which is it's not terrible at this point. For example, so when you're on deoxy and Rocephin, you're radioactive to sunlight, so you break out with hives and rashes. So my body doesn't like the sun right now.
Laura Adele:With the Lyme disease, you also can contract Lyme meningitis that I've had three times now. So that would bring back to 12 spinal taps and 12 blood patches. So and then after the final time that I had got meningitis, the person that did my spinal taps and blood patches let some of it leak out into my spine, and I got extremely sick. So it was a awful ride, and I will never I will never get back from that. I have a lot of back problems, gave me degenerative disc and degenerative spine disease.
Laura Adele:With that comes a lot. And then being on antibiotics, IV, and even by mouth has caused me to have a lot of stomach issues. So I've already had colon surgery quite a few times. So
Adrian Jessen:Oh, wow. What seems to be the most effective treatment for you, like, in this in this stage?
Laura Adele:So we found out last year that the deoxycycline and Rocephin were not working by themselves. I got put on Surprex, and Surprex is strong with prednisone. And I know that a lot of people are familiar with prednisone. So if you put prednisone with all three of those, it causes of it works. It works, but it causes a lot of water weight, inflammation, and it also makes me extremely hungry.
Laura Adele:As you guys know, I had to reschedule because I did get really, really sick on the new combination of all this medicine, but it is working. I have more energy now than I've had in probably four years.
Adrian Jessen:Well, that's great. So and then I think I don't know if you've mentioned this, but then you said in '22, you also were diagnosed with Rocky Mountain spotted fever. Is that correct?
Laura Adele:Yeah. Yeah. I didn't learn my lesson the other times. So So
Adrian Jessen:is this an an additional this is an additional bite?
Laura Adele:Oh, yeah. So I did. I sprayed, and I guess I didn't spray correctly, but I had a tick on me. And, actually, I never would have knew this tick was on me. And I was at the dermatologist, and he said, is that a freckle?
Laura Adele:I was like, that's new. And he went and looked and sure enough, was a tick. And I did not know how long it had been on me. Just knew I had felt really bad the last couple weeks. I called my infectious disease doctor up and I said, hey.
Laura Adele:I'm about to send you this tick. Can you please send it off? I wanna know if this is positive. And sure enough, it was positive. Mhmm.
Laura Adele:I was positive. We were positive for Rocky Mountain spotted fever.
Adrian Jessen:Some people may hear that and be like, oh, why didn't you learn the first time? But, I mean, I assume you've been dealing with feeling bad off and on for ten years at this point. So it's not like, again, it wasn't like you're perfectly healthy and then all of a sudden you're not. Like, that I would assume that there was some kind of like, oh, here we go again when that when that started. So
Laura Adele:one of the blockers that Lyme disease causes somebody that has had it as long as I have is pain. So my body is at such a high pain tolerance now because I've had went through so much with Lyme that I have the same symptoms now. So Rocky Mountain spotted fever had so much of the same characteristics as Lyme disease. So I thought I was just having flare ups, and that wasn't the case. But the worst part about Rocky Mountain spotted fever is it is more deadly.
Laura Adele:It can kill you. I actually lost a buddy, a family friend to it.
Adrian Jessen:Did you get did they catch that one in time to begin appropriate treatments? Are they different? Or
Laura Adele:So I did not catch Rocky Mountain and spot a fever in the sixty day time frame, thirty, sixty days. You have a a better chance of maintaining it than you do Lyme within thirty or sixty days. Now I've handled Rocky Mountain fever, Rocky Mountain spotted fever better than I've had handled Lyme. It's not as it hasn't put me down as bad as Lyme disease, but it has made my symptoms way worse now that I have So two of it's I think the hardest part that I struggle with is maintenance and maintaining it and actually being able to enjoy. My turkey season has kinda been on a pause this year because of everything that I'm having to go through.
Laura Adele:My body's just tired. And you when you put me I travel. I don't like to sleep. It's turkey season. So if I tag out in one state, I wanna go straight to the next one.
Laura Adele:And I just don't have the strength right now, and I I push myself beyond where I'm supposed to, and then I end up in the hospital. So I have no boundaries.
Adrian Jessen:It's just a big roller coaster. Crashes and rises down. You do not have alpha gal. Correct? No.
Adrian Jessen:No. I do wanna talk about that a little bit just because I know there's a lot out there right now, the social media and whatnot about that lone star tick and alpha gal. So I do wanna talk about it a little bit. To my knowledge, and I'm not an expert in this, if you are, please comment and let us know anything that we maybe didn't get correct. But so the lone star tick is you can tell because it has that little white spot on its back.
Adrian Jessen:So looks like a lone star. So that's the one primarily that carries the bacteria that can cause alpha gal. Basically, it makes you allergic to definitely red meat, and I've heard some other people say chicken as well. And some people are like anaphylaxis. Like, they could die from eating a burger.
Adrian Jessen:And I don't know of any treatment. I think I've seen there are some some things people have done. The main thing is that's also a real thing. I've known I've known people that have had that and or that still have it. So that's definitely another thing to think about when you're talking about Lyme and Rocky Mountain spider fever, now alpha gal.
Adrian Jessen:So all those things that we talked about in terms of prevention are super critical for all of those things.
Laura Adele:The the crazy part about alpha gal is a lot of people think that alpha gal is the reason why people are are allergic to certain meats, red meat being included. But alpha gal, even though it's a horrible disease, it depends on the person, the body of the person and their genetics. Each person reacts to alpha gal differently. I know people that are allergic to Benadryl. Crazy.
Laura Adele:I know people that can't have red meat. I know people that can have deer meat and they can eat hamburger meat. I know people that can't have hamburger meat and they can eat deer meat. So a lot of gal has to understand a person's genetics, their body chemistry. And I have studied alpha gal.
Laura Adele:That was one of the biggest things was I was so scared. But in 2023, I got really bad sick. Every time I would eat hamburger, every time I would eat deer meat, I would break out in hives. I would get really sick. I would be put in the hospital.
Laura Adele:It would make my guts inflamed. Honestly, it was probably 2004, I was at a buddy of mine's house. We were cooking deer meat, and I knew I was supposed to eat it, but I ate it anyway. And I got really sick, and I took some Benadryl, and it had a adverse reaction to it. And I looked at my buddy.
Laura Adele:I said, I think I need to go to hospital. He said, yeah. I had hives all over me, but I never got sick until recently. So even though I haven't been diagnosed with alpha gal, Lyme disease and Rocky Mountain spotted fever has triggered my body. Sometimes I could eat certain foods and sometimes I can't.
Laura Adele:Gotcha. It just depends on a person's body of how that tick bite is gonna react and what's it gonna do to their body? Like, what's it gonna make them to reject? Because I can't have chocolate. I love chocolate.
Laura Adele:Sometimes I eat it. And I know sometimes I eat it, I do fine, but sometimes I don't do fine. You do not
Adrian Jessen:do fine.
Laura Adele:So it just
Adrian Jessen:Now one thing I I wanna ask or or discuss is, obviously, we've talked about a lot of scary things, a lot of potential really bad things that can happen. If someone like, just because you got bit by a tick does not mean you're gonna get one of these diseases because not every So tick if someone finds a tick, what would you say is the best thing
Laura Adele:to do? Please. If you have a tick on you, please pull it off. You're gonna get on to infectious disease, the CDC, FDA, but they both have a website. You can get on it, and you can go to testing.
Laura Adele:If you have a tick, mosquito, they will send you the test tubes to send it off. Make sure you fill out the paperwork, and they'll send you back the results. Get it tested. If you get that tested, then you know I have to go to the doctor. Please don't wait.
Laura Adele:Just send it off. That's what I did. Did the Rocky Mountain spotted fever was I sent
Adrian Jessen:it to
Laura Adele:my doctor. I was like, hey. Can you test this out? So with my luck
Adrian Jessen:And either way, it's not a bad idea if you find a tick on you to go to the doctor and and get checked out. How quickly can they test for any of those?
Laura Adele:It takes five five to seven days to get like, so if you've if you go
Adrian Jessen:and get tested, if you haven't had it for five to seven days, it won't show up? Like, do you need to wait at least a week?
Laura Adele:I hate to say it like this, but if now if you've got the bull's eye, you already know. But Yeah. The IgG and the IgM panels at least takes five days, five, and they'll be able to pull those panels after the contraction of the bite. So five I say five to ten days just to be on the safe side, but that's if you know that you've been bitten. Now if you're having symptoms Right.
Laura Adele:Go immediately because that means that you've got enough symptoms that you already know there's a problem. Right. But Right. Not a lot of people have those symptoms. Yeah.
Laura Adele:So it just depends.
Adrian Jessen:So what would you say if there's one piece of advice you could give people, what would it
Laura Adele:be? Don't think it can't happen to you because it can. And I hate to go back to that, but recently there's this post going around on social media about the lone star tick being planted, but it's been here. It's not they're not trying to distract you. They're not trying to get you away from something.
Laura Adele:The tick has been here for several years, and a lot of people don't take it serious. Like, people are laughing about it, but the situation is it's not a joke. It can happen. I'm living proof because I was that person that was like, he he. No.
Laura Adele:It can't happen to me, and it did. And now I have it for the rest of my life. I mean, like, I can't even have children. Another thing that people don't realize is once it's in your bloodstream, you can pass it to your children.
Adrian Jessen:Oh, wow. Yeah. Did not know that. Yeah. So that's definitely an added piece to think about.
Adrian Jessen:The best thing to do is prevent getting it to begin with and then definitely check yourself if you've been outside. And then if you start feeling bad and you know you've been outside, immediately go to the doctor. Tell them, hey, I spend a lot of time outdoors. I don't know if I've had a tick bite, or if you do know, that's even more important, but I don't know if I've had a tick bite, but I would like for you to check this because I've been feeling bad.
Laura Adele:Yeah. I mean, truthfully, it's not even Lyme or Rocky Mountain. I mean, you can have I call it tick fever, alpha gal, Colorado tick fever, which can also even though it's called Colorado tick fever, it can kill you. But there are so many different co infections of having the lone star tick. It's just so many different variables.
Laura Adele:One tick can carry several different diseases. I've seen people have two or three. I mean, it it can happen.
Adrian Jessen:Yeah. Laura, thank you so much. You've been super helpful, a wealth of information. Go ahead if you don't mind and share with people where they could follow you, find you, maybe ask more questions if they have them.
Laura Adele:Y'all feel free to reach out to me. You can find me at Laura Dell Outdoors, Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, TikTok. I'm here. You can find me on LinkedIn, but I'm here to help you with any questions you may need. If you're not getting the right answers or if you're looking for answers, I will share my doctor's information with you, but I'm here to help anybody that I can because I've been there with no answers.
Adrian Jessen:That's great. And we'll put we'll put some links below too with your contact information. If you guys have any questions, you can, again, reach out to Laura or comment below, especially on the YouTube video, and ask, and we'll see if we can get those answered for you. Also, if you are on a similar journey, comment below and let us know that. ASCEND is a big community, and hopefully we can support each other through whatever stage of your journey that you're in.
Adrian Jessen:So definitely comment. Let us know what what's going on there. Also, if you found this episode helpful, make sure you like it. Subscribe to the podcast. Subscribe to the channel so you can keep up with everything we're doing, and make sure you head over to, Instagram.
Adrian Jessen:Follow along there with us. As always, I'm Adrian. Thank you guys for your time. Thank you for tuning in, and we are encouraging you to follow your story wherever it takes you.
Laura Adele:I want to be as good as Adrian one day. Like, she's so she's
Adrian Jessen:so smooth. I appreciate that. My response is always, you should really aim higher.
Laura Adele:No. I just love Adrian.
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