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Fragraphilia is the passion project of Jeff and Jane Dashley where they explore, express, and extrapolate as much as they can from the often mysterious and always magical world of perfume and fragrance.
Focusing more on luxury and niche fragrances, Jeff and Jane discuss what they've been wearing each week, news and trending topics that has caught their attention, as well as any impending new release that has them excited to try. In the final segment, they will each pull three fragrances from their sample collection for the other to blind test and offer their unadulterated opinion through a series of questions before each perfume is revealed.
About the hosts - Jane Dashley is a painter and artist with a long history in fashion blogging as Sea of Shoes. Jeff Dashley is a freelance web developer and designer. They live in the Dallas, Texas area with their son and three dogs.
For more information and details visit https://fragraphilia.com or @fragraphilia on TikTok and Instagram. Send any requests, questions, or comments to hello@fragraphilia.com
Welcome, everyone, to Fragraphilia. This is Jeff.
Jane:This is Jane.
Jeff:And this is our second installment of Fragraphilia and Friends, and we are happy to have on the show Rachel Green, the founder and CEO of L'Epoque, who is Dallas based. So it's a bit of a local feel here.
Jane:Yes. We didn't even know that L'Epoque was a Dallas brand. I mean, they're not really a Dallas brand. They're carried everywhere. But I just happened to notice that when we were playing the game.
Jeff:And Yeah. Mid show.
Jane:Yeah. It was on Lucky Cent. They just mentioned that they were based in Dallas, and we got to connect. And and we got to meet Rachel, who is hysterical and so fun to talk to.
Jeff:Yeah. I'm really looking forward to speaking with her. We're gonna have her on here in a few moments, mainly because anytime that I've ever shared anything from her brand, everybody always raves about the videos. They love her videos. So, I'm curious to ask about that.
Jeff:And just, you know, how she's just really made a go of this brand because it is I was checking it. I think it's in over 30 stockists around the country. Wow. There's five perfumes now, and I think it's been a pretty quick and strong buildup. She's just done an amazing job.
Jeff:So, it's going be fun to talk to her on here. And we're going to do these little things where we kind of go through the scents we're wearing. And, of course, Rachel will join us for the game. So without further ado, we'll bring in Rachel. Rachel, how are you?
Rachel:I am great. How are you guys?
Jane:We are great. We're so glad to have you on the podcast finally.
Rachel:I'm so excited to be here. I like I you know, I spend so much time with people in New York and LA, and we I know when we first met, we sort of talked about just the magic of our small perfume community in Dallas, and I just I think it's so cool that we are all together having this chat.
Jeff:Well, and according to your feed, you've been overseas as well recently.
Rachel:Yes. I I took a very brief and much needed vacation. It's been a crazy it's been a crazy year or not even. We launched last September, so we're coming up on a year for the brand.
Jane:And Oh my gosh. Wow.
Rachel:Literally never worked harder in my entire thirty seven years on this planet, so it was nice to to be away for a little bit. We were in Italy, and it was cool because a lot of that sort of feeling was the inspiration behind serotonin spritz. So to, like, live it and love it on the water and have cocktail in hand and be on the ocean and think, oh, well, a year ago, I dreamed up this fragrance the last time I was on the Mediterranean. So that was that was a very special sort of full circle moment.
Jeff:I can't believe it's something.
Jane:And happy happy brand birthday. Wow.
Rachel:You. Thank you.
Jane:Yeah. Saying that you were in over 30 stores already.
Rachel:We are. It's been it's been an insane year, or it's been, I guess, what, eleven months. And I feel like I'm so heads down all the time just, like, working on whatever is next or solving some problem that it's sort of like I really should be, like, taking a step back and being like, woah. Like, we really we're doing the thing. We're doing the thing.
Rachel:So it's it's been it's been wild. It's been crazy. I'm not sure I would recommend brand ownership in my one year in my one year review performance review. But but I also wouldn't have it in any other way. So it's it's it's been awesome.
Jeff:I think I'm realizing right now the the just the the gravity of all that because I didn't know. I thought it was two years, but less than one year, there's five releases. Right?
Rachel:Five fragrances. Yes. We launched with two. We launched with Dopamine Rose and Illusions of Grandeur in September of last year. And then this year, in, you know, 2026 calendar year, we launched three.
Jeff:And you have to think about getting store representation. You have to align bottles and the juice and logistics and perfumers and that's just that is a lot.
Rachel:It is a lot.
Jeff:And which mister you're gonna use for your spray bottles because I know that was an important thing.
Rachel:Yes. Yes. I know. I I spent some time when I was thinking about packaging, like, spraying every perfume in my closet and seeing, this one is good and this one is bad. And I actually happened on ours.
Rachel:Like, I had just, like, ordered some I had ordered some samples because I liked the bottle. I hadn't even picked the sprayer yet. I had been doing my own research, but I hadn't been this specific mist there's decimal there's a number that you pick basically on how it sprays.
Jane:Oh,
Rachel:yeah. But I got this sample and it came with the sprayer, and it was so misty, and I was like, oh, this is this is good. This is where it's at. I'm happy with this.
Jeff:Well, I think you have a video of, like, other perfume bottles and then yours, and it's kind of like just spraying them while we're we have all all five releases and just testing them out and wearing them and everything. It has that kind of, like, whisper mist.
Rachel:Yes. That's where it's, very even, but it's not like it's not like a, like, splash.
Jeff:Yeah. But
Jane:it diffuses so well that it creates, like, a huge scent bubble, which is why, you know, the atomizer matters so much. And now our house smells like all of your perfumes at once. It's kind of crazy.
Rachel:I love it. Know some them go good together. So that's that's always a good thing.
Jane:Which ones do you like to layer?
Rachel:I so it's interesting. I almost never wear dreams and nightmares by itself. For me, it's like a little too spooky on its own for, like, my own personal taste. I love it as a fragrance. Obviously, I wouldn't have brought it into the world if I didn't.
Rachel:But, like, for my own personal taste, it's like a little little too haunting. But that one layered with dopamine rose is, like, maybe one of my favorite fragrance combos for the brand. I call it the haunted rose garden. And so the two of them together really sort of, like, balance each other out because, like, dopamine rose goes so, like, sweet and fluffy and girly and dreams and nightmares goes very sort of, like, dark, earthy citrus. And so when you bring them together, they sort of, like, fill in each other's gaps, I think, which is which is what you're maybe looking for when you when you combine fragrances.
Jane:Oh, I can't wait to try this. It's good. Dreams and Nightmares is my favorite. I love that.
Jeff:I think that you just announced your future limited run release of Haunted Rose.
Rachel:Yes. That's right.
Jeff:That's right. 200 available bottles.
Rachel:Mix it up in the lab. Just just throw some juice together and see what happens.
Jeff:Throw a nice little price tag on it. Little signature.
Rachel:Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Collectors.
Jane:And congratulations on your latest release, Serotonin Spritz.
Rachel:Thank you. We've been loving that. It's been the perfect summer fragrance because I I don't know about you guys, but I I, like, can't get down with perfume in the summer here in Texas because it's so hot.
Jane:It's so hot.
Rachel:It really has to, like, have it has to be additive into, like, the sort of heat and sweat of the situation. It can't be, like, something that sort of, like, sits on top of you and then you, like, smell it all day, and you're like, why do I smell like Tonka? And it's like a 112 degrees outside. I love that fight that,
Jeff:but but it's very true.
Rachel:It's very hard. It's I mean, unless you're staying inside all day, but here, going outside with fragrance is hard. But it's meant to sort of be like that, like, summer water, very, like, European, like, there's no possible way you could overspray it kind of scent.
Jane:It wears differently than I thought it would because I thought it would be, like, very much lit like, a more linear grapefruit, but it kind of diffuses into this really gorgeous kind of soapy fresh scent.
Rachel:It has got, like, one of the
Jane:most facets. Yeah. Yes. Exactly.
Rachel:Yeah. When I when I briefed it in, and I this was my first time ever working with the perfumers at IFF, and we were super lucky because Carlos and Lauren ended up creating this fragrance. And they don't I mean, this is sort of like inside baseball stuff. But when you're a little brand like me, they don't necessarily let you, like, pick which perfumer you're working with. So you sort of, like, brief it out, and they sort of match it up with people who they think might have a good, you know, POV on on your fragrance.
Rachel:And so we really just sort of happened onto them creating it, which was just, like, wild for a new brand like me. But when I briefed it, I didn't necessarily come out saying this is gonna be a grapefruit fragrance. I was really, like, trying to capture, like, citrus and summer and that sort of, like, oceanic, like, saltiness was what I had in mind. And I think you really get that when it dries. And I think the grapefruit is sort of like a it's a hook or it's like a bait and switch almost.
Rachel:It brings you in and people who love citrus fragrances. I think this is a great fragrance for you. But that watery sort of, like, fresh aquatic, you know, dry down is is for me what makes it, like, a very special and interesting fragrance.
Jeff:I I feel the same. Like, to me, the the split side of it is it kind of goes away pretty quickly. The the grapefruit kind of is always lingering there somewhere, but it was a lot less cocktail and Amaro style that I was expecting. And it has geranium, which always gets kind of really, like, bright and green and verdant for me. And that's what I I love perfumes that are a little dewy green.
Jeff:And not being someone that has spent much time on a beach, if I can even remember a time I've ever spent any time on a beach or resort style vacation, but it did speaking of Italy, it kind of reminded me of the one time that I've ever been in Florence, and Jane and I were kind of like, we went on the there's the busy side where all the shops and restaurants and hotels and everything, and then you kind of go across the river to like where the neighborhood Do you remember this, Jane? We're walking around like the neighborhood. We walked by like this school, and there was just all these like old stone walls with all these like green, mossy ivy walls, and it's kinda like that. That's what it makes me think of.
Rachel:It's inspired by a lot of European style men's summer fragrances. So that was, like, really when I was sort when I had sort of, like, an idea in mind of what I wanted to smell like because I always sort of, like, have an idea of, like, this is sort of the general direction, and I find it's very helpful, by the way, in getting the outcome that you want from a fragrance if you sort of have, like, benchmarks, if you will. Not like you're saying, like, I'm trying to be exactly this fragrance. But if you say, like, here's, like, five fragrances and sort of, like, the vein of what I'm going after, it sort of, like, helps them start you off in a in a better place, if you will. Because then, of course, we sort of, like, tweak and everything from there.
Rachel:But but it helps you sort of, like, directionally start in the right place. And a lot of the comps that I gave for these again, like, they were Italian and French brands, and they a lot of them were men's because they lean that more sort of, like, fresh aquatic herbal. There's, like, that time note in this fragrance that I think makes it so gender neutral and, like, not too sweet and certainly not a gourmand fragrance. So I think that's part of what is the uniqueness of it is it's like this category that may not, like, be new, but but positioned in a very, like, L'Epoque way makes it feel fresh.
Jane:Rachel, I have to ask because we were smelling all of these today, you know, getting ready to talk with you, and they're all so amazing. Do you have a top seller?
Rachel:We do. And they're different, I think, online and in store. Okay. Oh. Which is interesting.
Rachel:Yeah. But we can sort of, like, talk about that. Online, Inner Child is our best seller by, like, a mile, which I love that fragrance. It's it's might be my personal favorite of the line. It's just so, like, fresh and clean and nostalgic, and I'm not usually like a sort of, like, clean girl fragrance girly, but this one really does something to me.
Rachel:And it what we had a creator post about it in May, think, and it went viral, and that sort of, like, I think really put that fragrance on the map.
Jeff:I was gonna say, like, the tagline, the quiet luxury being completely alone and starting fresh without announcing it, it's like that really it it is a quiet luxury. It's very it's never too much of any of the different facets. It gets a little floral. It gets a little like vanilla and sweet, and then it kind of rests in this really nice, clean, white musk, woody base that just is it it's just easy, and it's soft, and it feels elevated. So it's really nice.
Rachel:I had, like, maybe one of my most specific fragrance briefs ever when I created this one. I was, like, I was, like, playing with these two ideas of, like, the everything shower and just like as a woman, that's sort of like a capstone experience that we all have of this idea of like you have especially like if you have kids, and I know you guys
Jane:do. Yeah.
Rachel:You know, that idea of this, like, uninterrupted, like, time to yourself, having the world's longest shower. You do every product that you have, and there's no timer. No one's calling and being like, you've gotta get out. I gotta go feed someone. I gotta go change someone's diaper.
Rachel:There's just completely interrupted time to yourself to just spend on yourself. There's something so luxurious about that, and it's such an everyday experience, but it's something that we all, I think, cherish, especially if you start to go into down the Fragrance Rabbit hole, the idea of getting to use all of that product on yourself, and it just, like, feels so, like, over the top. And so I actually gave, like, a lot of benchmarks that were, like, body products that I used for this fragrance. Like, I was like, this lotion and, like, a warm towel and, like, laying in your bed, like, for like an hour uninterrupted, like, in this like, and you use this conditioner and like but like, I was very like, I had this very specific sort of vision about all of these different smells that were gonna come together to create this fragrance. So there was like, sort of like that half of the idea.
Rachel:And then the other half was around the idea of, like, smelling my kids after the bath and, like, a specific benchmark was the actual, like, Mustela body wash, which I don't know if you guys ever used that, but, like, it's such a distinct, like, childhood baby smell and, like, that like, the idea of just, like, that, like, innocence and, like, feeling clean and fresh and, like, how do you sort of, like, bring those two ideas together was sort of, like, the reason for being of the fragrance itself. And certainly with the name inner child, like, you see where that sort of shines through. But it's a really special one, rightfully so, I think.
Jeff:Now that was the best seller for online? Online. And then in store is which one?
Rachel:In store is Dopamine Rose, which I think makes sense Yeah. If you sort of, like, smell them all in a line. It's certainly one of the more powerful of the bunch from a projection perspective. And especially if you think about going into some of these niche fragrance stores where you can't even necessarily smell what you were spraying in the first place. So the idea that it's gonna be able to hold its own in a retail environment with a lot of other scents, I think, is part of it.
Rachel:And then it's also just very like, it's very approachable. It's very, like, easy to like, I think. If I if I may say, it's very commercial, I think, of the bunch, you know, from a niche perspective. But that one is is one that does really well for us with all of our fantastic retail partners, all of our independent retailers.
Jeff:I think it feels like a it's a it's a truly like a night out perfume to me. Like, when I smell it, it feels like, oh, man. This is like you're going out. It smells like nighttime to me. It smells, I don't know, just alive.
Jeff:There's like a certain static y electricity going through it that and it's probably like the ozonic notes. It just feels alive. So I could see, and plus, you're, like you were saying, like, spraying it in the house earlier. I probably, I had my door closed right now. I could go out there right now.
Jeff:I would still spell Tofu Bean Roads. But it's just, yeah, it feels like a, if you're going in and assuming that most people going into stores aren't buying their fiftieth perfume for the collection, they're mostly buying one or, you know, one, they ran out of one, now they're going to replace it with something new. It's like you want something special, big that you can kinda wear out, but also kinda make it your own, and yeah, that does make sense to me.
Jane:Rachel, you're so great at conceptualizing all of these perfumes, like all of the concepts, and you're so good at like communicating what they're about. Is coming up with the ideas the most fun part for you?
Rachel:It's definitely the most fun part, and it's definitely the easiest part of my job, which is I think, like, maybe seems I don't know if that seems like obvious or not obvious, but there's you know, my background is in beauty. Like, I worked in the industry for a decade. I worked for Estee Lauder and Too Faced and MAC and all these, you know, big, big brands that, you know, are heritage to all of us and I grew up with. And I did a little bit of everything when I was working for those brands. I did a little marketing.
Rachel:I did a little product development. I did a little, you know, consumer insights. I did some social media stuff. You know? I did a I did a little bit of everything except what I didn't do was like any supply chain work.
Rachel:And so that's the hardest part of my job now is like all of sort of the background details that no one wants to spend time doing or talk about. But the the fragrance concepting is like, I I could I could come up with, like, 15 fragrance concepts, like, tomorrow if
Jane:you ask me about. You know? Like, it's just that talking to you.
Rachel:The idea is, like, they're always flowing. Like, I'm always like writing things down and like getting inspired by like moments and smells and foods that I eat and places that I go and all that kind of stuff. So I just have sort of like an ongoing list in my notes app of like perfumes to try basically or not perfumes to try, perfumes to try to make, if you will, that has some stuff that I'm like, this is gonna be amazing and then some stuff that I'm like, this is super fucking whack, but maybe sorry. I don't know if I'm allowed to your We curse all this.
Jane:We're good.
Rachel:Okay. Good. Know, like, this is this is wild, and I don't know if anyone would ever wanna smell like this, but I'm curious to explore it. And so it's it's absolutely without a doubt the most fun part. And I often come like, part of the creative process will be, like, putting together sort of like a vibe or mood board together once I sort of, like, have a scent territory that I'm going after.
Rachel:And I often actually come up with the name of the fragrance before I've even smelled it. So, like, part of, like, my creative process is usually, like, the naming because I find that, like, it sort of all comes together and crystallizes really nicely if you, like, are, like, this is, like, the world and the scent that I'm trying to build and even what it's called.
Jane:Yeah. Your your names are so great. I'm really picky about perfume names, and I feel like that's where a lot of perfumers drop the ball. Yours are always so great and, like, always so in line with your concept. And you have five perfumes in you, only your first year of launching.
Jane:Do you have any more coming out this year?
Rachel:We do have one more coming out this year in the fall. It is our first gourmand fragrance.
Jane:Oh my god.
Rachel:Which is not my personal favorite fragrance category, but I but this one, I I got it to a place where even I, whom I'm not normally a gourmand person, I enjoy wearing this one. It's I would call it like a restrained gourmand. So it's, like, not sticky sweet, but it does, like, allude to some baked good. But it's it's a really fun one and a and in a really, I would say, like, trending scent profile that I think we're doing in a really fun way. So if people, like, wanna dig through my social media, I've been Easter egging it a little bit.
Rachel:But Oh my god.
Jane:I'm gonna do that right after this.
Rachel:Yeah. There's so there's an there so it's, you know, it's it's it's it's gonna be a really fun one. And I think for the fall, it's, like, very cozy, and and we're gonna have, like, a lot of really fun social content around it too.
Jeff:Speaking of which, I don't want to get lost too far I mean, I love talking about all the the perfumes, and no one asked more and more, but I would be remiss if I think I mentioned in the intro when it was just me and Jane that anytime I've ever shared anything with L'Epoque or talked to anybody in DMs or anything about it, they always bring up how much they love your videos and your social content. So now just even speaking with you, I know what it's like or not what it's like, you know, to or at least not all through with it, but I know what it's like to record all these videos or, you know, do social with Jane and photography and concepts and campaigns and all that kind of stuff. It's a lot of work.
Rachel:It is.
Jeff:On top of figuring out where your bottle production is going to happen and where the spritzers are going to be and where the, you know, are they going to get the bottled in time to get to the stores and then also conceiving your next release and gathering notes, as you're just saying here. It's a lot. And then also, you know, being on calls with stockists and all that stuff. But the videos are are just they're so funny, and they're well done. And, you know, how often are you recording them?
Rachel:Well, thank you, first of all, because I do I do spend a lot of time and brain space on that the how we come to life on social. And that was a huge part of what I wanted to do differently, I think, than other fragrance brands do is, like, have some fun with it because I think that there's you know, listen, the fragrances themselves, there are perfumers or artists. Like, I could never do what they do. And the way that they're able to sort of take a concept and bring it to life from a scent perspective is it truly like, every single time, like, once we, like, get it right, I'm like, I can't believe this was an idea. And, like, we we brought it to life, and and now it exists in the world.
Rachel:That being said, I think there's, like, this side of the perfume world that's just, like, so serious. And I think that, at the end of the day, everyone just wants to have fun and be entertained, especially if every day on the internet, every single brand in the world is trying to sell you something. Right? You're just constantly getting hit in your feed with, buy this, buy that. Here's the scent notes of this other fragrance that you've seen like 17 other times, but here's our take on it.
Rachel:And like, you should buy it because we say so. Like, you know, I just feel like there's there's so much of that in the world. So if I was gonna come and put another brand and try to sell someone another perfume, like, we had to have fun doing it and we had to sort of give back in that way. It's like, well, at least if I'm trying to sell you something, I'm gonna entertain you while I'm doing it. I want you to laugh and I want you to have fun and I want you to see that we're making fun of everything a little bit in hopefully what most people interpret to be a tongue in cheek but respectful way.
Rachel:So that's the frame of mind that I try to get in with everything when we're trying to create new content, whether it's the everyday stuff that you see that's just you know, some of our little, like, fragrance memes or, like, the bigger sort of, like, campaign stuff where we're really thinking through, like, what would be a different way to do a fragrance ad, which is the first, I think, real expression of that was with serotonin spritz. That was the first real brand campaign we did. I mean, we've done some other things here and there, but that was the first concept to launch campaign we did where I said, we wanna have beautiful people in the summer, and it's gotta communicate that this is a great summer citrus fragrance. But how could we start thinking about doing something that's funny and different and is gonna be relatable to not just a hot person in a swimming pool in Italy. Like, how can we do something that everyone can relate to more, but still sort of get the idea across that you're gonna have that feeling when you wear this fragrance?
Rachel:And so we started thinking you could start with this really tight shot of someone and that they're maybe, like, spraying the fragrance and, like, they're having a great cocktail. But, like, as you zoom out, like, you see that they're in, like, the real world and, like, everything is just sort of, like, not that glamorous. But maybe the mailman is walking by. Like, you can see in one of our videos in the background. Like, she's, like, on her front lawn and, like, spraying the fragrance, and it's like, okay.
Rachel:Well, like, she feels like she's on a fabulous European vacation, and that's all that matters because, you know, she's in her own little world, like, wearing a serotonin spritz. So I think it's go ahead.
Jeff:Oh, I was gonna say the behind the scenes video with the new intern as she gets dropped off, and it's like all the chaos going on.
Rachel:Yes. We love I love the, like, reality show style content is is something that, again, like, I think people find really fun and and hopefully people know it's a joke. I'm certainly poking fun of myself when when I make those videos. I think we got a comment on the on the last one where someone was like, this is, like, not funny. Like, you're being really mean to her.
Rachel:And I was like, if you don't understand that this is a joke, like, I'm sorry. You're in the wrong you're in on the wrong page. Like, everything here is satire. My intern is well paid and well taken care of and was fully onboard for making this for making this content. But, you know, we're always trying different things, always trying to sort of, like, see what's gonna, like, hit with the algorithm and all that kind of stuff.
Rachel:There's a lot of, like, very unsexy things, I think, also that go into content creation and and and the volume of content that's required of brands these days. Think there's, like you know, people wanna, like, dream that everything is like there's, like, so much time and endless resources and all that kind of stuff to, like, make, like, you know, one really beautiful piece of content, but it's like, we have to have stuff every single day. And so there's just always, like, balancing, like, how am how am I gonna make something, like, fun, cool, and special? And then also, like, how can we, like, keep feeding the beast? It's it's it's a lot.
Rachel:Luckily, it's it's something that that comes fairly easily most weeks, I would say. Sometimes I'm scraping bottom of the barrel, but but most weeks, I can can come up with something. The Internet helps. Seeing something weird and fun on the Internet and figuring out how we can take that and make that L'Epoque is is one of my favorite things.
Jeff:Well, yeah, it's just you're always a little bit afraid to stop too. Like, if you if you stop that momentum when you keep going and going and going and going because it is. It's like a it's a beast that's always hungry.
Jane:But it's interesting because, like, your content seems very geared towards people who collect perfume. Like, you you are referencing people in the perfume community and, you know, things that people are into. And the brand is for collectors, and that's why you keep them all in these smaller bottles, 30 milliliters. I love that part of your brand.
Rachel:Thank you. Yeah. I mean, the the brand itself, L'Epoque, it means the epic, the moment, the era, you know, Basically, building an entire brand around not having a signature scent was sort of, like, the reason for being around what is this brand about. To your point, like, that very much speaks to a fragrance collector. But I think that I don't know if you guys are noticing this, but I think more and more people who maybe used to have one fragrance for six years are starting to dabble in, well, maybe I could have something for the spring, or maybe I could have something for summer vacation.
Rachel:Maybe more straightforward ways that we think about building a fragrance collection and not necessarily like, I'm gonna have a fragrance for my sad girl spring. I think there's levels of collecting fragrance.
Jane:Next lipoxy fragrance. Exactly.
Rachel:Like, I'm gonna have I'm gonna have a very specific fragrance that I'm gonna wear outside the omakase in Japan. You know, like, think there's like you can get really nitty gritty about how far you wanna take that idea. And I think if you are a person with a bajillion fragrances in your collection, then it's good to think about very, you know, hyper specific use cases for each one. But this idea that, you know, you don't have to be one scent and one person at any given time, like, you can sort of, like, change your fragrance. Like, you change your clothes, change your lip gloss, like, whatever it may be.
Rachel:It was sort of like the the reason for being behind the brand. And so if you think about shifting your mindset to collecting fragrances versus having just one, a 100 ml doesn't make sense. You're never gonna finish that fragrance. Right. You know?
Rachel:You're you're you're never gonna finish it in your lifetime if you have 10 of those. So how could we communicate, you know, sort of that playful idea around, like, the collection of fragrances, but also the bottle itself and say, like, this is a fragrance for this moment that you're living through right now. And if you used it every day, you'd be done with it in three months, and that's okay. Come get another one to represent another moment in your life is sort of the the idea behind it all.
Jeff:Yeah, I love that for that reason as well. I think even in your brand copies throughout the blog or the journal on your site and everything, you'd mentioned that fragrance isn't forever, it's for now. And I love that because Jane and I often have conversations over the years where we've had fragrances that were in our parts of life, and we like to experience that it is locked in a certain bit of time. It's nice to re smell them every now and then, but we've moved on to other things. But it is just kind of nice to have
Rachel:That collection.
Jeff:And you don't have to carry that 100 ml bottle. One, you don't have to pay for that 100 ml bottle, but you don't have to carry that or feel like you're wasting it or, you know, it's just when you stop wearing it because you're right. I mean, we have we have a lot of bottles like that where it's like a quarter of it's empty, and then, you know, I'm not sure we'll ever finish it, but still level, but we've moved on to other things.
Rachel:Exactly. And you can smell it and sort of think about what your life was like when you were wearing it and have like a nice little scent memory because we know, like, scent is so tied to to memory and moments like that. But you can say like, oh, I remember who I was when I wore that fragrance and not necessarily feel like you still have to be wearing it. I think it was Andy Warhol who who did something, like, similar in his, like, life. He would, like, have a fragrant I forget, like, what the time frame exactly was, but he, like, had this sort of, like, fragrance collection, I believe, when he would, like, wear something for, like, only a certain amount of time, and then he would put it away on the shelf and then, like, go and, like, smell like, oh, this is this is what I was doing when I, like, I don't know, was painting all of those Marilyn's or whatever he was doing, you know, for each fragrance.
Rachel:But I I I think there is some sort whether it's, like, real or or folklore, I do believe there's some, like, history there with him having some of that sort of, like, fragrance memory behavior.
Jane:Yeah. I do that in my studio too. It's nice to kinda scent an era of creation.
Rachel:For sure. And you can be like, I was making this art, and I was wearing this scent.
Jane:Speaking of perfume and memories, getting into your history and and where your love of perfume began, what is the first perfume that you remember wearing?
Rachel:This is, I think am I allowed to have am I allowed to have more than one answer?
Jane:Oh, Absolutely.
Rachel:Because I feel like I I have memory of, like, maybe like the first fragrance, like, somehow it ended up in my house. Like, my mom maybe bought it from me at Target or whatever, but then I also, like, have a distinct memory of, like, wanting a specific fragrance. And I think those are two sort they're so different, and they're both gonna age me. So but I guess I already said my age at the beginning of this podcast, so it's fine. The first fragrance I ever remember having is Love's Baby Soft, which is like
Jane:Oh, yeah.
Rachel:Like, that's even, like, honestly, like, before our time. I feel like like I feel like that fragrance has been around, like, I don't know, since, the sixties or, something insane. Like, it's a super old fragrance. It smells like baby powder. Like, it's and it comes in that pink little bottle.
Rachel:I'm guessing, like, I got it at a birthday party or, something you know, like, I don't I don't have any distinct memory of getting it. I have distinct memory of owning it. I don't even remember, like, wearing it. Like, I remember spraying it and being like, this smells like a baby. It does scent
Jane:It's something like an aunt could have given you for
Rachel:your birthday. Percent. It's like my grandma gave
Jane:it to me.
Rachel:I don't know how I got it. I don't know how it ended up in my bathroom, but I remember it. And I remember the bottle and the smell. It's like one of those one of those things where it's like so crystal clear, the scent of it. But the first fragrance I remember wanting, buying, and owning is Stella by Stella McCartney.
Rachel:If you ever smelled that fragrance, it was like a
Jeff:All time banger. I love that perfume.
Rachel:Such a great perfume. Rose fragrance, which I'm, like, the biggest rose fragrance lover in the entire world. I I think maybe there's other ones, but I'm one of them. And I didn't even, like, know that back then. You know?
Rachel:Like, I was just like, this purple ombre bottle, like, I want it. It smells cool. Logo. The dotted logo. Like, it's like it it's it was such a good good fragrance.
Rachel:And I remember, like, feeling like such a I had it in high school, but I remember feeling like such a, like, grown up when I would wear it. I was like, I'm, like, so cool and old. You know? Like, I'm so mature that I wear this fragrance, and it wasn't one that, like, all of my friends had, which
Jane:so brand then too.
Rachel:It was, like, so cool to have. And I was actually recently at my parents, like, hoping that it was still in my bathroom cabinet, but, unfortunately, it was not. They had done a clean out, and it was gone. But but I again, I remember the smell. It was like that, like, sort of, like, deep powdery rose, and it was just like it was such a good one.
Jeff:Yeah. It it feels like what like, especially at that time, there were designers like Stella and, of course, like Comme des Croissants and things like that, that were putting out designer perfumes that were a little bit more interesting and a little bit more, I don't know, big. And that was one of my yeah, I loved it. It was marketed, obviously, a little bit more towards, I think, females, but I loved it. And they carry it.
Jeff:And that was like at the beginning of Sephora's when they would have rollerball perfumes.
Rachel:Yeah, yeah.
Jeff:And the Stella rollerball perfume was like $15 or something like
Rachel:that. Imagine.
Jeff:Yeah. So, it was just like you could just get that and have it, and it was something I didn't necessarily wear, but it was just something I love. And I can't, you know, things come and go. It could be a material thing, could be a brand thing or something like that. Could have been done through Cody for all we've known.
Jeff:But I was always I'm always surprised that that one's, like, so discontinued that they haven't brought it back.
Jane:People talk about it all the time still.
Jeff:Yeah. It's a really good one. Really good person.
Rachel:What about you guys?
Jane:Okay. Also, aging myself a little bit here. Origins, ginger was it ginger zinger ginger or something?
Rachel:I know exact I don't know if you remember the name, but I know exactly what you're talking about.
Jane:Yeah. I I mean, I lived in a house of girls. It was me, my mom, and my sister. And, like, that was our communal bottle that we shared, and I I love that. It was so good.
Jane:Yeah. Very, very late nineties.
Rachel:Yes. No. Like, iconic iconic also fragrance.
Jeff:Well, that's cute that you guys keep saying that stuff will age you, but mine was Lagerfeld for men. That was like the first perfume I ever bought in well, whenever you would have bought that new at the department store. And but I always remember, like, my dad wore Old Spice and Aqua Velva and things like that. And that's just those are my my earliest memories of what cologne and perfume, and I still love those to this day.
Jane:Did your mom have a signature scent, Rachel?
Rachel:My mom probably wore, like, Clinique happy. You know? Like, I feel like she my mom is not as into, like, beauty products as I am. And so now, like, I'm always buying her perfume. But, like, back then, I feel like it would have been, like, something that she, like, got in a in a gift bag.
Rachel:You know? And so I feel like she, like, for sure had, like, a bunch of Clinique happy bottles around the house that she probably had, like, collected buying her Clinique green compacts would be would be my best guess.
Jane:That was the mom the mom brand. My mom wore Clinique. That was so good. Speaking of grapefruit fragrances.
Rachel:For sure. For sure. No. I mean, those those were all sort of, like, iconic for a reason at the time. I think about those.
Rachel:I think about the Gap fragrances that are having a renaissance now. Like, such you know, everything old is always new again. Mhmm.
Jane:Well, speaking of new, what is the last perfume that you purchased?
Rachel:The I I as we discussed, I was just on vacation, and I I did bring home four new perfumes from vacation. So I was a little busy over there in in Italy, both on the ground and in duty free. We literally got to duty free, and they had a lady dancing around with a sign saying everything was an extra 20% off. So as you might imagine, that was not great for my wallet, but great for my premium collection. None of the fragrances that I bought are ones that you cannot get in The States, to be clear.
Rachel:They're all ones that you can get here, but I just like something about being over there and, like, the the duty free. Like, I was just, like, ready ready to rock. I brought home two fragrances from Santa Maria Novella, which is a brand I'm obsessed with. Yes. Just like end to end concept branding scents.
Rachel:Like, I love the sort of just, like, timelessness of those fragrances. So I got they have a new one called Aqua that I got, and I got Angeli di Firenze. Sorry for my Italian. So I got both of those. They come in 50 ml, which we love.
Rachel:I got this I'm I have a show and tell for you. I got this Aqua di Parma fragrance. Oh. It's one of the new I don't know if you guys have seen these new ones that they have in, like, the fluted bottle. Oh, gorgeous.
Rachel:But they're stupid expensive. I think these are, like, $360 or something in The States. Like, I smelled it at Bloomingdale's in the city, and I was like, this is amazing. And then they told me the price, and I was like, get the fuck out of here. Like, there's literally no way I'm buying that, especially now knowing that I know how the sausage is made.
Rachel:I might get out of here. But it was €240 and 20% off at duty free, so I got it. And it is like an amazing sweet orange fragrance, this one. So good. Obsessed.
Rachel:All I I'll have to messenger you guys a little decant because there's no way I'll ever finish it with And a 100 and then I got a bottle of Dip Tico Rose because it's just a fragrance that I love. It's a fragrance that
Jane:I love.
Rachel:Yeah. And it
Jane:was I was thinking it was better at this morning. I just I want that perfume. It's, like, such a nice, like, simple rose.
Rachel:Such a simple, like, straightforward, like, smells like a rose, like an actual rose is how I feel like that perfume smells. Again, I will send you over a decant because I will literally never go through that 100 ml.
Jane:I I need to get own. I was diffusing just pure damask rose oil in my studio today, and it smelled so good. And it's like, yeah. Just you don't need to do anything to improve rose. And Oh Rose is a good perfume for just keeping it simple.
Rachel:Such a good one for keeping it simple. It also goes really nicely with dopamine rose if you're trying to, like, rose bond yourself.
Jane:Yeah. I I always am.
Rachel:Yeah. Same. Exactly. Those were those were my big my big haul from my trip.
Jeff:Any fun stores? Any, like, particular perfume stores that you went to? I know
Rachel:to think there's a store in Rome called Campo Marzio seventy, which is like a big, like, niche perfume store across all of Italy, but it's from Rome. So we went there. And I was talking to the shop girls, and I brought them some samples of L'Epoque. So maybe one day, you'll see us in that store if we can get our European life together. They I was, like, asking them, like, show me stuff that's popular here that I can't find in The States.
Rachel:But they sort of were, like, leaning on, like, a lot of brands that we know and love, like, Naho and Maison Premier and some other ones. You know? They're they had a couple, like, French brands that I hadn't heard of. But in terms of, like, what their best sellers were, they're ones that, you know, we very much know and love here
Jane:at kids. Perfumes pretty international these days, which is is great.
Rachel:For sure. We all speak the same language, which is everyone wants in lust in paradise Riviera that's sold out from ex nihilo.
Jane:Well, before we get into the game, should we go into our sense of the week?
Jeff:Yes. But I do want to just shout out dreams and nightmares real quick. Because we we didn't we didn't talk about delusions of grandeur or or dreams and nightmare. And earlier, you had referenced dreams and nightmare and saying that it was spooky, and no one else can see this but us, but that's why I have all my little notes about it. It feels spooky at times.
Jeff:It's probably the one that I gravitate towards the most because it has such a cool opening of cardamom and the Petricor kind of like comes out at the same and just the idea of cardamom's always sweet to me, but it always is kind of incense and because of the powdering, the powderness of it. And then you get that kind of like damp stone petrichor, and it's just really cool. And it feels what you get into the mossiness of the base, and it feels kind of like where I wanna be already with our with our climate and our temperatures and our weather right now. It's like it takes me into I feel like it's misty and spooky. And it's just such a cool perfume.
Rachel:For sure. I definitely say it's the like, when people ask me about the line, I definitely say it's the most niche of the line so far. Like, I don't think it's so off the deep end. Like, it doesn't smell like a light bulb, obviously, but it it it is just like if you look at, like, overall, it's definitely the one that sort of just gears in that less known, less comfortable territory. I don't know if I had told you guys the story around this fragrance the last time we talked, but I'm happy to tell it in a in a in a quick way because no one else was there when the three of us were having coffee.
Rachel:So that doesn't matter that I've already told you the story. But but that fragrance was the brainchild of two separate experiences that I had last summer on two separate vacations in two very different places. One of them was in Majorca. I was there with my husband, which is also, by the way, where I came up with serotonin spritz. So I guess I need to go back to Mallorca is what I learned from this ex you know, that's a business expense Yes.
Rachel:For for all of you. For all of you. I'm doing it for you guys. But I was I was in Mallorca. We were staying in this hotel, and it literally looked like a screensaver, the entire thing.
Rachel:It was like these huge beautiful trees in the mountains of Spain. And, like, they had this crazy swimming pool that just, like, the whole thing literally, like, looked like it was fake, but it was real. And they were pumping this essential oil blend through the air that had, like, a lot of that, like, bergamot and eucalyptus in it and just the whole sort of, like, experience. I was so, like, taken aback by it that I was like, there's some kind of fragrance coming out of it. And I think living in Texas and I by the way, my previous life was living in New York, like, everything is concrete.
Rachel:Like, we don't get any of that, like, lush green experience living here. And so I think that was why it was, like, so fantastical and magical to me is because it's like I'm never surrounded by by that sort of, like, scene or or vegetation or whatever. So I was, like, just so overcome by all of it and the smell and the look and the feel. Couple weeks later, I was on a much less glamorous trip with my kids in South Carolina. But again, a super lush green environment, but this time it was like all of the weeping willows were touching the road.
Rachel:And it was just like I was again so taken back by that, like, sort of green idea, and I already had in my mind that I was, like, playing with this this sort of lush green fragrance idea. But then when we were on that trip after, like, maybe twelve hours of being there, it was pouring rain for the rest of the time that we were there. So, like, like that, like, just like at the drop of a hat, like, the entire vibe changed. And so all of a sudden, now everything that was bright and green is now dark and wet and a little bit scary. And so I started sort of injecting into the idea of this fragrance of how is it that you can have something that at one moment can be so beautiful, magical, mystical, and then at the at just a snap and on the turn become spooky and scary.
Rachel:And imagine if you are, like, lost in one of these forests in the middle of the night and it's raining and it's dark and, like, you slip in the mud and then, like, you don't know what your surroundings are. It can go from very, very beautiful to very scary in a minute. And then if you think about life imitating art, this was really down the line of this fragrance. I was like, you know, sometimes the things that you want the most can also be the scariest things. And people will be like, well, how is L'Epoque going?
Rachel:And I'll be like, well, it's a dream and it's a nightmare. Yes. So I think it's just funny because I I came up with the fragrance and the name, like, before I had actually, like, officially launched the brand. So I had had I had Dopamine Rose and I had delusions like they were developed, but I I I hadn't launched when I came up with with dreams and nightmares. And so I was making it before I was really living that dream in a nightmare, which is how I would still describe owning your own brand.
Rachel:But it it really came to life, I think, in a in a special way. And I think when you smell it, it shows.
Jeff:I love it. Now was Delusions of Grantor, was that the first one you conceived of?
Rachel:Delusions and Rose were the first two that we launched. Delusions was the first fragrance that I approved for the brand. Mhmm. And it was the one of the loosest fragrance briefs. It was my first fragrance brief ever, you know, on my own by myself.
Rachel:And what I did for that brief is I went to Paris, and I lived my best life in Paris. And I drank a lot of wine, and I smelled a lot of perfume, and I sat in a lot of dark and sexy bars. And I came back to The States to my and went to the office where my perfumer is. And I brought them back a bag of about a 100 perfume samples, and I was like, this is the vibe. Yeah.
Rachel:Like, they're they're they were all different. There was no, like, common ground. Like but I was like, this is the vibe. Figure it out, and let's see what you come up with. And they presented a bunch of different fragrances, one of them being a version of delusions of brand door, and I smelled it immediately.
Rachel:And I was like, this is a this is a fragrance. Like, this is it. Whereas the other one. So I was like, oh, like, this is interesting. I don't know if I would wear it.
Rachel:I don't know if I love it, but it was just like one of those where, like, immediately, I was like, this is this is a great fragrance. And we made some tweaks to it. I wanted it to be like more apricot, juicy, addictive. I wanted to to toe down the leather because the leather in it is like, you know, I think now really smooth. But like at the beginning, it was a little bit sharper and like all that kind of stuff.
Rachel:So we we tweaked it, but it was still sometimes when you're smelling fragrances in development, like, you're like, I see how there could be an idea here, but you know it needs work. And sometimes you smell something and right away, you're like, this is it. And it was one of those.
Jeff:Alright. That's cool.
Rachel:And which is which is cool. And and it's the very first one. I'm I'm hoping to give it a little bit of airtime on its own this fall because I think it's such a, like, cool, beautiful fragrance, but it's it's really more of a for me at least, you know, everyone is different in their scent preferences. But for me personally, and I think for a lot of people who smell it, it feels like more of a cooler weather fragrance. And I think now that it's been a year and the brand has like a little bit more traction, I think we can spend some time talking about it and and hopefully turn some more people onto it.
Jane:That was going to be my guess for the top seller because it's delicious. Like, Jeff, when we were doing the spraying them all in the house just to kind of, like, reacquaint ourselves with them, That smelled so good. I had to go put it on even though it's like a 100 degrees here today.
Rachel:Think it's delicious too. I I think it's like such a juicy, sexy fragrance. But I think the notes sometimes whether or not they've smelled it, I think the notes sometimes like leather and tobacco and rum, I think those can be intimidating. I don't think the fragrance itself is, but I think if you're just reading about it, think people are like, Oh, I'm not sure if I like you know, those types of fragrance notes, but I do think, like, in person wearing it. It's like so like, all of those things are done in such a smooth way.
Rachel:I think that the perfumer that we worked with for this fragrance who who's done four of our fragrances, actually, her name is Elena Ruiz. She has a way of being able to take what are, like, you know, maybe more controversial or off putting fragrance notes and just, like, smoothing them out in a way that's much
Jeff:more important.
Jane:It it smells like something I want to drink, like a delicious cocktail.
Rachel:100%. We need one. We gotta go talk to some bar down on, like, Knock's Henderson and see if they'll make us the delusions of grandeur.
Jane:That's actually a great cocktail name. So should we do our scents of the week now so that we can get into the game?
Jeff:Yes. Yes.
Jane:Rachel, please start us off. What what fragrances have you been wearing lately?
Rachel:So I have been like I said, it's been super hot. And I've been doing a lot of scent combining with serotonin spritz because I love to, like, you know, make it feel special and different and interesting. It's good on its own, of course, but I've been doing a lot of scent combining. So I've been wearing it with Torino 21 by Zurchoff,
Jeff:which
Rachel:is one of my again, like men men's European summer fragrances. Like, put me sign me up for all of them. But Torino 21 is, like, such a, like, juicy minty melon fragrance that's, like, so good for this hot weather. I've been wearing In Paradise Riviera, which is that ex nihilo, like, exclusive fragrance that you can never find anywhere. I have, like, a 10 ml of it that the the team sent me like a year ago that I love.
Rachel:And it's like a it has a frangipani flower, Tiara flower, something that makes it like a little bit more tropical, a little less powdery than the original. I've been wearing that one when I wanna like feel summery and girly. And then I've been wearing that new aqua Santa Maria Nobella fragrance that I got last week.
Jeff:Wanna try that. I love
Rachel:the perfumes.
Jeff:Is it one of the the perfumes, or is it one of the
Rachel:mid line? Yes. It's one of the perfumes that comes in, like, the fancy box with, like, the colored bottle.
Jeff:Love the colored bottle.
Rachel:And it's like a like an aquatic lily pad floral kind of scent. It's It's I mean, again, for a 100 degrees outside, like, you can't you can't really get better than that.
Jane:I love Italian style fragrances. Like, increasingly, my my taste skew more Italian.
Rachel:Same. I feel like I need to find a I need to find, like, an Italian perfumer to work with on something at some point. Totally.
Jane:Okay. Well What
Rachel:about you guys?
Jane:I'll go for I'll go next.
Jeff:You go first.
Jane:I have been wearing Revolution de la Fleur from Saint Ejardin, which is a beautiful kind of like yellow floral bouquet. And yellow florals, they they aren't for everyone, but I feel like they perform really well in warm weather. And, actually, Henry has been wearing this too. I don't know if you're like your kids are into perfume.
Rachel:No. Of course. They I mean Yes. They have to be at this point. They're my my perfumer actually made them.
Rachel:They're made them. I'm using air quotes, so they're obviously just light prairie, but they she sent them she sent them fragrances, and she put little labels on them. So it says Mara's magic unicorn mist and Caleb's Minecraft mist.
Jane:Oh my gosh. That's amazing.
Rachel:Has glitter in it, and they both smell horrible. But they but they love them. They love them. They're like I think they're like Zara references or something. But but they're they they love perfume, they always are asking me to wear it.
Jane:We need to get Henry his own because he just goes straight for our collection. He sees that we put on perfume every time we leave the house, so he's like, oh, I I have to do this.
Rachel:Hunter Price just helps himself.
Jeff:Yeah. And now and and now he has those, like, 3.5 year old boy clumsy hands. So when he starts reaching for the tray or going into the cabinet, it's like, oh, dear god. What are
Jane:you No.
Rachel:You gotta take him to Zara and let him pick out some Zara fragrance. And they actually smell pretty good if I'm being honest. Like Yeah. They of them are not bad.
Jane:Yeah. They're like Spider Man. He would freak out.
Rachel:Yeah. Exactly. I usually, like, try to give them a sniff before I let them buy them because I'm like, if I'm gonna throw up every time I smell this, like, we can't buy it. But for the most part, like, they're pretty non offensive, and and they're, like, $13. So
Jeff:What else you've been wearing?
Jane:Oh, okay. Santal Majescule by Surge L'Etan. Like, we were talking about it's so hot. It's hard to wear fragrances. A lot of my fragrances, I'm not wearing during the daytime.
Jane:I'm wearing them before I go to bed because that's the way I can
Rachel:Your bedtime fragrance for a
Jane:little Yeah. Because that's where you can kind of enjoy those scent profiles that aren't working with the Texas weather. And Santal Majescule is really weird. I mean, I guess it's like sandalwood and rose and cocoa, and it's kind of dusty, but it has this, like, kind of strange, like, sour wood note to it that I I find addictive. There's something about it that's a little bit skanky.
Jane:It's a very strange fragrance and one that I've wasn't sure about at first, but now I'm kinda kind of addicted to.
Rachel:Sometimes the weird ones, they have that quality of where you just, have to go back and smell it over and
Jane:over again. And I I delusions of grandeur is what I'm wearing right now. And Oh, wow. That's going to be my bedtime scent tonight because it's it smells so good. I know it's not like a gourmand technically,
Rachel:but, like,
Jane:it's yeah. It's very comforting.
Rachel:Yeah. Inside scoop is that you're we have a candle coming out for holiday in that.
Jane:Oh my god, Rachel. That's that's major. I I need this.
Rachel:I'll send you one.
Jane:That's a that would make such a great holiday candle.
Jeff:Serotonin Spritz would be a
Rachel:good candle too. Serotonin Spritz, I had them do a a candle mod for it. And at least as it stands right now, it leaned a little like citronelle. Oh, okay. Can happen with a lot of citrus fragrances.
Rachel:But I think if we I agree. Because actually one of my favorite candles is there's a candle called Salta by Trudon, which is like a salty grapefruit candle. And I'm, like, obsessed with it. So I think serotonin spritz, if we could get it to the right place, it would make a very good candle. But we're starting with delusions, and then our our upcoming holiday fragrance will be our first two candles in the fall.
Jane:That's very exciting news. So not just a new gourmand fragrance. We've got candles too on the horizon.
Rachel:We'll see. We'll see if people like them. It's always like a test and learn, you know, you never know what people might be excited about or say, we don't need that from you.
Jane:Oh, it's gonna be a blowout.
Jeff:No, the auto. For me, I've been wearing a Carlos Benem scent as well, and that is Rattano by Nasundetto, which, again, like I alluded to earlier, it's like, I know I shouldn't probably wear those during the summer, but I'm just gonna wear like a really big leather barnyard, olive annulment, seizure perfume just to
Jane:I feel like
Rachel:you have to wear what makes you happy. Exactly. Long as it's, like, bringing you joy and you're not on an airplane, like, you're good.
Jeff:Like Exactly.
Rachel:That's that's you should you should wear you should wear what fragrance makes you happy except if you're in close quarters with other people.
Jane:Yeah. You're being self take. Yes. Exactly.
Jeff:People at the day care would love it, I'm sure.
Jane:And
Jeff:also, I've been bringing out to or Jane, I think you actually brought it out, put it on the tray, but Mannered Musk by Dale Girard, kind of, you know, it's just not a well known brand, but they carry they may still carry it, but they carried it at conservatory for a really long time. And it's kind of he did he had three perfumes, and then he did musk versions of those same perfumes. And so that has a lot of synthetic musks up top and throughout, but it really just smells like an even more awesome Sycamore by Chanel, where it's just like it's so vetiver and patchouli.
Rachel:I love the vetiver.
Jeff:Yeah. And it's just so it just smells, I don't know, I feel I feel extra manly when I wear it for some reason. It's just I love it. And then finally, the thing I love to wear during the summer are incense based scents. So we we had this perfume porcelain protoise.
Jeff:We've been talking about it for the last few episodes. It's a French brand, a ceramicist, and a perfumer kind of did these three perfumes, and one of them is porcelain protoise. And it is a kind of clove and incense with a little bit of amber sweetness to it, but it's a really dusty clove y perfume. And it just it's real bright in front. I love it.
Rachel:You smell a lot of incense when you're walking around all of those old buildings in Italy. You know? Yeah. Yes. All old churches, you get that, like, lived in incense smell that I haven't necessarily found a fragrance that captures it properly, but it's such a good smell.
Jeff:Yeah. Because it's mixed with all those old bricks and stone and the mall. So ancient. Yeah. It just feels it's we can't be there's like a old scrolls, you know, it just feels like that.
Jeff:And but alright. Let's get to the game.
Rachel:Yes. Let's get to the game. Okay.
Jane:Let's have Rachel start and
Rachel:Am I starting?
Jeff:Yes. Start.
Rachel:Okay. So I spray number one Yes. On my on my paper because I'm not a psychopath, and
Jeff:I'm Yeah. Don't my sprays rather than anything. We've learned many times the hard way.
Rachel:Oh, this is nice. I like this. Imagine if you just, like, sent me my fragrances and we're, do the game.
Jane:This is
Rachel:very, like, easy, a little sweet, a little, like like, if, like, if there was a baby powder scented body lotion is what I smell. So not baby powder, but, like, if there was a lotion that was trying to smell like baby powder and, like, a little bit sweet and, like, definitely, like, like, there's a bath happening for the for me, at least, with this fragrance.
Jeff:I think it's a good way. Yeah. I am. I'm following all that. There's a I'll I'll tell you the notes just for kicks.
Rachel:Yes, please.
Jeff:Carrot seed Oh. Coriander, apricot, violet, saffron, suede, hay, and musk.
Rachel:Wow. I wouldn't have guessed most of those.
Jane:It doesn't smell that. No.
Rachel:It doesn't smell like, I would if that if I read that on the Internet, I would never I would never even think to smell it. But it is beautiful. I really like it. I wanna try it on.
Jane:But we'll send you chance
Jeff:to give it a color, what would you give it?
Jane:Good question.
Rachel:There's something, like, very sheer about it. Like Mhmm. At least in here where I'm smelling it, like, I see, like, something almost, like, transparent. Like like a parent green.
Jane:Are you ready for the reveal?
Rachel:Sweet. Love to have the reveal.
Jane:This is Violet Hay by Marissa Zappas.
Rachel:Oh. I love her fragrances. She's such an incredible Yeah. Perfumer.
Jane:She's great. She has such a singular perspective.
Rachel:My friend Jackie owns the brand Nostos, and Marissa does all of her Oh, yeah. Fragrances, and she adores working with her. I would, like, love to meet her at some point. I think she does such fun such fun fragrances.
Jane:This is beautiful. This has been great.
Rachel:Yes. She's crushing. I love her.
Jane:Alright. Is it our turn? Okay.
Jeff:So just gonna have
Jane:to spray it, and he's gonna run it over here.
Rachel:Run it over. Perfume messenger.
Jane:This is amazing. This
Rachel:is like a really deep cut. This is definitely like the deepest cut of all of the ones that I sent you guys.
Jane:I love it.
Jeff:This smells like at first, when I first smelled it, it reminded me of grape bazooka gum, like, right at the at the top. Like, you know how sometimes, like, tuberose and gosh. This does smell familiar, though.
Jane:It's like a very juicy rose. Maybe there's some tuberose in there too. But there's also like something kinda bitter bubbling under the surface that I'm I'm really into. But it's very bright. It's like this could stand up to the heat, I feel.
Jeff:Yeah. Is it feels like there's, like, grapefruit or citrus up I mean, there's always citrus up top, but, like, a it's more like a grapefruit.
Rachel:Am I supposed to be, like, revealing things that you're getting right or No.
Jane:Give us hints. Yeah.
Jeff:Yeah. You can just give us hints.
Rachel:It's interesting that you said that the grape bubblegum at the top because there is a red wine note in here. So that's in the right direction, and there is definitely some rose as well. So I that for me is this is one of those, like, bait and switch
Jeff:Well, I will say
Rachel:that fragrances.
Jeff:Bazooka gum is about the quality of wine that I typically drink. So
Jane:This smells like a girl's night out. Rachel, do you remember fashion's night out?
Rachel:How could I forget fashion's night out?
Jane:Oh my god. I was, like, in the peak of
Rachel:my twenties. I think I went once, actually. It was insane. It was insane. It was insane.
Rachel:All those girls and me packing in, like, platform heels.
Jane:But this kinda smells like like nightclubbing of that era.
Rachel:Yeah. It feels very late
Jeff:two thousands, very early two thousand tens, but it it feels again, it feels very familiar. I know. I've smelled this before, I feel like.
Jane:What's the what's the reveal? I I have to know.
Rachel:Well, so I'll tell you some of the notes first, and then I'll tell you the fragrance. But this is this the notes are cherry, saffron, ole olebenum. Am I saying it right? God help me.
Jeff:Typing slap. The last people. Would be
Rachel:Rose, red wine, almond, red berries, musk, and roasted nuts. And this is black cherry by Audiolab. Oh, I don't even know that brand.
Jeff:Know this at all.
Rachel:Audiolab is a Japanese fragrance brand. You may have seen I think they've gotten, like, a little bit of online traction with a fragrance they have called Mint Rose.
Jeff:Mhmm.
Rachel:They sell it at Stell in New York.
Jeff:What is this called again?
Rachel:This is called black cherry.
Jeff:Black cherry. Okay.
Jane:The red wine note is kind of going crazy right now. I think it's
Rachel:black cherry. Yeah. Is really strong on this one. I selfishly am on a personal search for a cherry fragrance that does not exist because it's one that I'm trying to make. And I keep buying samples of cherry fragrances trying to cause I keep trying to explain the cherry note that I want, and it's not translating.
Rachel:And so I'm on this, like, quest where I'm like, maybe I can find a different fragrance that is doing cherry the way that I'm trying to do cherry, and then we'll finally see eye to eye on what this fragrance is supposed to be.
Jeff:I kinda love this, by the way.
Rachel:I So I I bought this one as part of that quest, and unfortunately, it was not the cherry that I was looking for, but I did find it to be, like, such an interesting fragrance that, like, transforms a lot when you wear it. And at the end, it's, like, really just a rose fragrance. Like, once you've been wearing it for a while, like, you only smell the rose. Because I remember, like, spraying it and getting that, like, red wine, like, coming in so hot. And I was like, what's happening here?
Rachel:And then, like, I smelled it, like, five hours later, and I was like, oh, this is, a nice rose fragrance.
Jane:Yeah. This is a great discovery. I'm I'm pretty excited about this.
Rachel:I think it's an interesting one for sure.
Jeff:It feels a little like it could be of the the Stella era because it just it's it's it feels dark. It feels dark and rosy, but very sweet and very, like Jane was saying, it's a it's another night out rose. I I'm kinda into it, actually.
Rachel:Yeah. I'm glad I sent it your way.
Jane:Yes. Thank you. Alright. Alright. Rachel, second her second second fragrance.
Jeff:And this is kind of a
Rachel:This is like cherry almond, Juergens, Like you know? Yes. Knows. Jane Jane's nodding heavily. Something that you learn is that, like, when you, like, work with different, like, fragrance accords or whatever, it's like cherry can go very almond and almond can go very cherry.
Rachel:So, like, that's why you often see them, like, combined is because, like, they sort of naturally, like, can head in that direction. But I immediately get, like, cherry and almond out of this one. I'm trying to, like there's also, like, definitely something boozy in here.
Jeff:Mhmm.
Rachel:Like a like a dark like a rum or whiskey. I really like it. It's like making me feel like I need to drink a Manhattan immediately, which is my favorite cocktail that I never ever ever order because one, like, sends me on the floor, but it is my it is my favorite drink of all time. And this is like it's giving.
Jane:Mine too, Rachel.
Rachel:Well, we we gotta go have one. We gotta go treat when someone else is watching someone else, aka our husbands, are watching the kids and no one has to get up with them in the morning, we're gonna go treat ourselves to a really good Manhattan. But that's what this smells like to me. There's, like, maybe saffron too.
Jeff:Oh, yeah. You're you're doing very well.
Jane:Yeah. You're calling everything out.
Rachel:I'm trying. Well, I had to make up for the last one, which I got horribly wrong. So
Jane:That one's tricky. That one's a trick. Yeah. It's hard to
Rachel:put your finger on what's going on with violet hay. Okay. Give me some Okay. I'm gonna give you hot or cold.
Jeff:You are you're very, very hot, and we are I'm gonna give you just the note list because none of it will surprise you. So bitter almond, black cherry and cherry liqueur, sour cherry, plum, Turkish rose, and jasmine sambac, vanilla, tonka bean, cinnamon, drew balsam, sandalwood, benzoin, cloves, cedar, patchouli, and vetiver. So not a saffron call out note, but I know exactly what you're saying.
Rachel:What I'm talking about. Yeah. Sharp, metallic.
Jeff:You know, half of these things you know, there's several of these things that probably make up the saffron accord.
Rachel:Give me the reveal.
Jeff:Okay. So this is the original formulation of Lost Cherry by Tom Ford.
Rachel:Oh, wow. I love that it is an original formulation. I think that's always a fun my husband has, like, a, like, OG bottle of, like, Credo Ventis. Like, I love those as well. Yeah.
Rachel:You know? Like, those are, like, my loved one. It's like, oh, you know. There's like if you know, you know from a fragrance that maybe has changed over time. This is Yeah.
Jane:They sent this to me, like, when it first came out in PR. And, you know, I love perfume, but I have very specific tastes. And I'm I'm like you, like a a gourmand skeptic. But, you know, I liked this, and I would wear it when we went out. And it's funny because that was just before gourmands exploded.
Jane:And now it's like it was such a such a trendsetter.
Rachel:Well, now they have so many, like, flankers, electric cherry, and what's the other one? There's a bunch of them.
Jeff:Yeah. There's like they
Rachel:have in the line now.
Jane:There's too many. I'm waiting for your cherry.
Rachel:Yeah. Well, you and me both girlfriends.
Jeff:You're getting all these these, like, future release hints.
Jane:I know. This is very exciting. For us.
Rachel:I'm I'm really bad at keeping my own secret. So I I do my best, but I I I usually let at least one cat out of the bag.
Jeff:Well, it's it's good. You know?
Jane:You haven't made people wait long. You've got five fragrances out in one year. Yeah.
Rachel:That's true. I know. Well, let's see if let's see if we start taking them away, what happens. That's we'll see what happens in the in the lineup because I I don't wanna have, like, 20 in line fragrances. Yeah.
Rachel:So we'll That makes them like them more
Jane:important to collect. I think
Rachel:it's For sure.
Jane:Good. You're a collector's brand. You can retire and bring in new ones.
Rachel:Exactly. Exactly. Okay. I love I love that it was an OG formulation that's like an inside baseball.
Jeff:Well, it's funny that you're, you know, looking into cherry perfume.
Rachel:So Yes. I know. And we we we both brought one.
Jane:Yeah. That is like I don't smell a lot of cherry perfume perfumes usually. Jeff's gonna run this over here.
Jeff:Yeah. I'm doing I'm just giving some good spritzes on here. Okay. Running over now.
Rachel:Wow.
Jeff:Smells so boozy in there.
Jane:Nice. This is so light and dreamy.
Jeff:Yeah. See, this one smells soapy to me. Like, I love soapy perfumes.
Jane:It's like a shampoo and lotion vibe. It's very calming.
Jeff:It smells like we have an upstairs with this this tub, this really nice, like, bathtub, and Jane likes to go up there and take baths occasionally. And it smells like something that would be in the bath.
Jane:It's so it's so well balanced. It's hard to pick out any one thing that's going on, but maybe like lily of the valley, some musk.
Rachel:Definitely some musk.
Jane:Maybe some some citrus notes at the top. I'm not sure.
Jeff:Yeah. I'm trying to think of this. Feels very kind of white floral, but it's not
Rachel:Definitely white floral.
Jeff:It's not skanky enough to be like a a sambac jasmine or it's just kind of like a light, easy white floral. It's not overly powdery or anything like that. It's not it's soapy, but it's not like soapy soapy. So it's sometimes that turns people off, but it's it just feels like it feels like a really nice, like it's more like a shampoo, I would say.
Jane:It's very elegant.
Jeff:Yeah.
Jane:Alright. Can we hear the notes? Yeah.
Rachel:Of course. Of course. So you definitely got some of them. There's a jasmine note on top, cyclamen, which we're a big fan of at L'Epoque. Mhmm.
Rachel:Ylang ylang, melon, peach iris. Oh. Black currant, white musk. I know we said musk. Vanilla, and precious woods.
Rachel:This is my personal currant obsession, which is Angeli di Firenze by Santa Maria Novella.
Jane:Oh, wow. That's lovely.
Rachel:I'm obsessed with this. You know,
Jane:I was gonna say this smells Italian. It also smells like Yeah. Like, actually, I use Santa Maria novella in my bath,
Rachel:and That's you're probably why. Yeah. It's
Jane:like, actually, this is what I use.
Rachel:This is to me, like, such a classically beautiful, easy to wear fragrance. Like, there's something very heritage, I think, about it
Jane:to me.
Jeff:Very much.
Rachel:Which is sometimes, like, nice to come back to, I think, when you're, like, smelling so many wackadoo things. There's something very, like, grounding and centering about this fragrance. And I wore it on our last night in Rome, so now I'm always gonna think about that when I wear it.
Jane:The best.
Rachel:But we I wore it, and we were in this chapel, and there was, like, a huge fresco on the ceiling of all these little cherubs. And I was like, I'm really having, like, my little, like, angel moment with I think this fragrance, like, smells like a little baby angel.
Jane:Yes. Yeah. There's something like baby bath products about it. It has a
Jeff:restraint that you get with, like, heritage. Like, not revitalized heritage brands, but like brands like Santa
Rachel:That have been around for three 100 They
Jeff:don't mess around with the way they do things. It's just very classic, and there's so much depth and range to appreciate within it, but it's still not they're not pounding you with aroma chemicals and beast mode and stuff. It's just like, here it is. Here's what
Rachel:we're presenting,
Jeff:and enjoy your day.
Rachel:Exactly. A 100%. No. And it's, again, it's one of those ones that I could tolerate wearing right now.
Jeff:Well, speaking of beast mode, number three for you is up next.
Jane:My god. Don't spray it on you. Oh my god.
Jeff:Unless you want a lot of compliments.
Rachel:I think that my last one that I also gave you packs a punch too. So I like how we were sort of, like, you know, walking in in lockstep for that. Okay. I'm smelling it. Oh, okay.
Rachel:This one is, like, way more masculine than the others, to me at least. I'm getting leather.
Jeff:Mhmm.
Rachel:I'm getting, like, some gasoline.
Jane:Yes. Yes.
Rachel:I'm getting something green. I don't know if it's, like, vetiver grass or something, but there's, like, something a bit green. I'm also getting, like, a little bit of, like, a cocaine accord, which
Jane:On par for this brand.
Rachel:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's definitely like, I'm getting that I mean, not that I do drugs anymore, but I'm getting that, like, tingling feeling in the back of my throat. This one is this one is a lot.
Jeff:Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Jane:Yeah. Is. Jeff's number one compliment getter. Like, when he wears this, he, like, gets chased out.
Jeff:So our listeners probably already know what it is already, but we rarely get to share it. We rarely have guests, so it's nice. I wanted to throw it in there because I wanted to get someone's impression of it real time.
Rachel:So we know that Jeff smells like leather and cocaine
Jane:Well, he any given moment. This was like when Jeff and I first started dating in 2013. This was, like, in his small collection. Okay.
Jeff:Okay. So No. This was this was a little later than that. But still, like Okay. This is pre pandemic, like, 2017.
Jeff:'2 well, I guess 2018 is when it was released. So
Jane:Oh, really?
Jeff:Yeah. And I bought it, like, right when it was released.
Jane:Oh, I'm thinking of absinthe.
Jeff:Yeah. Well, I wanna just give away the brand. Okay.
Jane:Tell tell her the notes.
Jeff:Well, it's rhubarb, raspberry, amyl amyl salicylate. I'm not even gonna pretend to know what that is, but I'm imagining Salicylate? Salicylate. Do you know that one
Rachel:right now?
Jeff:The gassic one. Rose, leather, animal notes, oak moss, and cedar. So you're you're right there. I mean, of those things.
Rachel:Yeah. The half that I didn't guess are in dopamine rose, rhubarb, raspberry rose.
Jane:Like Does it smell kind of
Rachel:baccarat y to you? It does not on this paper, but maybe on skin it does.
Jane:It's like a a little hint of that, you know, like really big fake chemicals.
Jeff:Yes. I love the gasoline accord, and it has always surprised me because it is the perfume that I get. I mean, I wear so many perfumes.
Rachel:Definitely has that. Like, I need even if I don't necessarily like it, I wanna keep smelling it. Like, it has that
Jeff:Yeah.
Rachel:It has that addictive, you know, what's what is that? Like, it has that that quality.
Jeff:So this is Nudoflorum by Nasumoto.
Rachel:Oh, nice. You'll have to wear it next time we all hang out so that I can get the on skin experience.
Jane:Smells really good. It's it's beast mode for sure. Yeah. And it's Avenera?
Jeff:It is definitely Avenera. And it it always, like, it's it's that gasoline accord, I guess, and a little bit of the muskiness that counterbalances kind of the fruity floral side of it. But to me, it really does smell kind of floral. And so it's always when I first bought it, I was like, oh, is this too floral?
Rachel:And and then that at all. I, like, don't get any floral from it. I only get, like, the leather and the cocaine, to be honest.
Jeff:But I would go to the bank
Rachel:and I should, you know, maybe I need to see someone about that.
Jeff:Well, I mean, that is see,
Jane:just cocaine trick or worse. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Jane:Yeah. Yeah.
Rachel:No way.
Jeff:I can't
Rachel:We're working we're working on a new fragrance, and and it's it's not like this, but there's some of that. And I was like, the name I wanted to give it was vanilla cocaine. And, like, there's just literally no way. That's an amazing It's an amazing it's an amazing name.
Jeff:Yeah. This is like
Rachel:But I'm I'm saying it here, you know, because then someone will know that I exactly. That I had this fabulous fragrance name that we'll never use. I'm sure when it comes out, we'll talk about it
Jane:more of that.
Rachel:But but the the the the headache was not worth the incredible name.
Jane:Yeah. Let's just keep Rachel on here all day. We'll just get her, like, you'll get a couple of new
Jeff:years of releases. This is the
Jane:best. I love it.
Rachel:Kinds of nuggets the longer that we stay talking.
Jane:That is so fun. What a fun job. I know like it's I'm dreaming a nightmare, but that's that's so cool that your job is to come up with these amazing ideas.
Rachel:It is the fun you know, I I was working on something Texas related, actually, And I had so much fun making those concepts because it was so close to home, obviously. And it was just like I was I had to, like I really only had to present, like, one or two, and I like it. They just kept coming. Like, I was like, and this idea and this idea and this this sort of, like, inspired me to to think about, you know, Texas and they'll sway in that way and whatever. But it is it is certainly the most fun part of the job for sure.
Jane:Because you even though you spent your time in New York, you are Texas born and bred.
Rachel:I am Texas born and bred.
Jane:When did you come back to to Dallas?
Rachel:We came back three and a half years ago, I think it's been now. We we came back at the very beginning of 2023. So it's but we were in New York for, like, ten to fifteen years depending on which one of us you ask. So it was a very long time coming.
Jane:This smells so good. This is like the
Jeff:the winter.
Jane:Bubble gummy tuberose that I love.
Jeff:But there's like a little bit of orange blossom
Rachel:Mhmm.
Jeff:And lily of the valley in there that gives it kind of like this, I don't know, chewiness, a little bit of bite, a little bit of
Jane:Yeah. There's a kind of buttery
Jeff:quality Yeah. Buttery
Jane:nuttyness. The white florals that yeah. It's really nice. This makes me wanna go have brunch on, like, a really fancy patio.
Rachel:This is definitely a white floral fragrance. That's for sure.
Jeff:Yeah. It is. I I I would wear this all the time. I love it.
Jane:Is this Italian? It is not. Okay.
Jeff:It smells very Dominique Robillon. I mean, it's very
Rachel:I wonder who the perfumer is on this fragrance.
Jane:Yeah. It's a little Fragrance.
Jeff:Yeah. There's like a little bit of a juicy sweet note going on in the background that probably wouldn't be his style.
Jane:It smells a bit like having, like, a mimosa while you're wearing a Mhmm. Really great white floral perfume.
Jeff:Oh god.
Rachel:Is there any, like, fruit notes? There are some. There are
Jane:some. Absolutely.
Rachel:There are some fruit notes. Yes. It's like very peachy.
Jeff:Yeah. I'm just not getting any woody notes. I mean, I'm sure it probably has some kind of, like, sandalwood or something like that because there's a softness to it, but it is a white floral balm in the best of place.
Jane:Would I would wear this any day of the week. This is Yeah. Exactly what I like.
Rachel:I'm so curious if you if you own this fragrance or not. What am I
Jane:I don't think we own it, but I feel like we should now.
Rachel:You're like, maybe maybe we smelled Okay. So the notes are mango, sweet orange, black currant, black pepper, then Indian tuberose, Egyptian jasmine, ylang ylang, musk, and cashmere wood.
Jane:Nice.
Rachel:And this is Jasmine Freak by Room ten fifteen.
Jane:Oh, yeah. We have a sample of this.
Jeff:Do we have a I feel like yeah. I think we could have
Rachel:a sample.
Jane:This is good.
Rachel:Is really good. I, like, almost never like white floral fragrances, actually personally. That's my cross to bear in this life. But I love this fragrance. I think it's so amazing, and it's and it's actually, like, the only one I really like from Room 1015.
Rachel:I've smelled through all their fragrances. And Mhmm. This one, I'm like, this is
Jane:epic. I've never kind of clicked with any of their scents, so what a nice surprise.
Rachel:Yeah. I I mean, exactly. Like, I mean, I've I've smelled other ones where I'm like, I get why people like it, but it's not for me. But this one, when I smelled it, I was like, this is an incredible pretty masterpiece fragrance. And I love the name because for me as someone who, like, doesn't like a white florals, like, the fact that I, like, like something called Jasmine Freak is just like so I don't know.
Rachel:I'm like, I never thought I could like something
Jane:with that name.
Rachel:But Gucci. Exactly. But this fragrance, it's so juicy.
Jane:Yeah. I like that mango note. That's
Rachel:The mango is really good. It's such a good summer fragrance too, like a nighttime summer fragrance.
Jane:Wow. Thanks for turning us on to all of these great perfumes. What an amazing Likewise.
Rachel:I think I'm
Jeff:to pick our favorites.
Jane:I know. Okay.
Jeff:Rachel, what would what would be your favorite of and I guess you could even include your own, the ones that you sent.
Rachel:Well But I mean, the ones that I sent, I I have all of them except the already the black cherry one. I do not own a bottle of that, but I think I might need a bottle of violet hay. That's how I'm feeling coming out of this. I'm I'm ready to put that on my skin.
Jane:It's really good. We love that one. That would probably be my favorite of the ones that we sent you to.
Rachel:Well, there you go.
Jeff:Yeah. Yeah. The other two were just for fun. What's your favorite, Jane?
Jane:Okay. I'm really torn because I really loved was it Angel Di Fiori? Or
Rachel:Angeli Di Firenze.
Jane:That one? Yes. Was so so classic, so wearable, and, like, this one is so va va voom.
Rachel:That Together, bet they're incredible. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe 10 out of 10.
Jane:Exactly. Maybe I need both. I don't know. I'm gonna say Jasmine Freak, actually, just because I'm I'm not normally into super juicy fruity notes, but the mango here is going crazy. I love it.
Jeff:I'm going number one.
Rachel:Like that black cherry.
Jeff:It's even better now, but it's settled down. It's, yeah. That's that's a co perfume.
Rachel:Dive on that brand based on, like, all of the different they're all very, like, straightforward names, like, you know, black cherry, mint rose. I think there's, a coffee something one. But I'm I'm super curious about the line overall because I just it's always interesting to get a perspective from a different part of the world.
Jeff:It's it's settled down into this really airy rose, so it's not even that prom I mean, it's it's there. It's it's pretty much a rose perfume at this point, but it's
Rachel:Exactly.
Jeff:It's very nice and easy and wears well.
Rachel:I put on the Jasmine Hay. You definitely get the hay when you put it on skin.
Jeff:Yeah. Yeah. It reminds me a lot I don't know if you're familiar with Bibliotech by by Rito Mhmm. Which is kind of like because there is some kind of overlap between the way that the musk and the hay work and this, like, the way she's doing, I guess, probably like apricot and violet and the way that Berrito did plum and the leather. And there's just some kind of like, they always kind of remind you put them side by side and they don't really match, but they remind me of the same type of person.
Rachel:I always like that. There's sometimes like they don't necessarily read exactly the same, but they feel like they're cousins or in the same family or something.
Jeff:Mhmm. Well, that is that's we've reached the end of the run. We gotta go to day care. Go pick up the
Rachel:old boy. My kids are coming home too. They're they're they're probably driving in the driveway as we speak. But let's all pray for Rachel. Last.
Rachel:Yeah. Exactly. You know? The the party's over. Yeah.
Jeff:Wait. I'm taking picture
Rachel:of us on our
Jeff:Yes. Please.
Rachel:This was so fun, you guys. It really was. I could talk about perfume all day.
Jane:I know. Could've kept going.
Rachel:Could've gone straight into the night, and I would've just shown the launch calendar.
Jane:I would've Well, you'll have
Rachel:done a repeat. I've done a I've a I've done a screen share and just given you guys the entire lay of the land.
Jeff:Well and we should definitely meet up for lunch soon. And
Rachel:Or Manhattan. I
Jane:think. Yeah. Yeah. Certainly.
Rachel:Where we landed on that.
Jeff:And you can tell us more about the other five things you're about to release that you do.
Rachel:I'll bring you samples. I'll never know. Literally, next time we meet up, I will, like, bring samples. Maybe I'll bring some stuff that we still have in progress and get some feedback on it. That would actually be incredible.
Jane:That would be great. Yeah. We'll have to you know, next time you have a a new release to get everyone excited about, we'd love to have have you on here again.
Rachel:I'll come anytime. It'll be it'll be a good time for sure, and we'll send more we'll send more mystery perfumes too.
Jane:Yes. Please.
Rachel:Thank you, guys.
Jeff:Well, thank you.
Jane:Thank you so much. Rest of your day. Thanks. You too. Soon.
Jeff:As we thank Rachel for being on, and thank you all for listening. We'll be back to regular programming in the next week or so. So
Jane:Yes. Thank you, Rachel, for coming on and for being such a fun guest. We hope to have her back soon, and we'll see you next week for regular programming.
Jeff:Alright. Bye, everyone.
Rachel:Bye.