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Was it a hit or miss? Find out what happened when we launched our List Love Bootcamp experiment! Tune in today to get the full debrief of how this launch went from dreamy concept all the way to "that could have been better" completion, with valuable lessons learned along they way. You won't want to miss it so join us now and let's dive right into uncovering its successes and failures together!
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00:00.00
heymarvelous
Welcome to the And She spoke podcast. Hey sandy well we are gathered today to discuss our debrief for the list. Love launch that we just had in the past couple weeks and
00:03.46
sandy
Hey Jenny.
00:16.47
heymarvelous
Thought it would be fun to start debriefing some of our launches on the podcast because we get asked a lot of questions and I know that we're always curious. How other people's launches go what they learned like what they would do differently next time and we want this podcast to really be a resource for those of you that are building and growing businesses on the internet and so. Um, why not share this information.
00:36.43
sandy
Yeah, so I thought what we could do is. We're just going to recap exactly what we did and then we'll sort of look at like what worked what didn't and what we would do again and I just I Really think it's so helpful to hear what other entrepreneurs are doing and creating and why. Is it so inspiring to hear I mean that a lot of the podcasts that I listen to and I know you do too.. It's so helpful to hear the details of what of what like tell me all about it right? I don't know so we're going to yeah as you said incorporate that more into our podcast as well. So we in.
01:02.39
heymarvelous
Um, yeah.
01:13.51
sandy
Early October I believe we decided we were going to do something different to increase our sales for that month and we sat and we bounced around a ton of ideas and we kept asking ourselves. What do you feel like doing like what do you want to do and there was a real. Push or desire to work in a small group as opposed to just like buy this course and we'll never see you. Um, it was more like wouldn't it be cool to like gather. You know twenty was the number we ended up with 20 people on Zoom. And to do something teach something live and we were like yes, that's what we want to do like really get to know them not have 100 pages of Zoom very small. Everyone's on the same same screen on Zoom so we can actually talk to them help them workshop answer questions coach them. Whatever they need.
02:05.68
heymarvelous
And yeah, and I would say the workshop part is really important too because I have noticed that lots of us are consumers of educational materials and not necessarily implementers of what we learn and you know there are lots of reasons for that there are mindset reasons for that there are. Busyness reasons for that and we just really wanted to take a piece of content that we teach and then implement it into a workshop where we're teaching and sharing best practices and strategy and tactics. But then allowing for the space for our students or clients to implement with with access to us like in real time. Ask questions and to work through problems and it's something that we do a little bit inside of inner circle our like high ticket program but not really like people go through the courses on their own and they can show and get coaching every week but we're never like. Teaching it in real time then having space for workshopping.
03:03.63
sandy
Yeah, it was sort of um we also like such an a unique for us. It was a really unique way to to to do this and it was like let's just test this it could be absolutely bomb and we're okay with that. But let's just try to do this thing. The other thing we decided is not to create new material. We are experts at that. But we decided to take something that we already had which was a list building course inside the inner Circle Program. So We took that and because we we decided we let's reteach that because that is probably you know as as. Along with like becoming visible and the whole marketing side of thing list building is one of the most important things you need to do in your business but people really really struggle with it and um, a lot of ah business when you're really stuck in your business and you just can't sell anymore. It's because your list hasn't grown. So We took something that we already had and we renamed it. We wrote a new sales page for it. We reworked the material a little bit. We updated everything and then we added as you said this workshop component to it.
04:10.73
heymarvelous
Yeah, and so I guess like the big reason that we wanted to do this was again like you said to test and I think that I just encourage everyone to have that growth mindset with everything you're doing in your business. Um, we know that we can do webinars and we can sell courses. We know that. Know that we can do webinars and we can sell coaching we know that but we didn't know um how something like this would go over because we just wanted to sell through email and like I think a couple of social posts like not many not a lot and so we just really wanted to see what we could do with our existing audience. Just.
04:38.73
sandy
Yeah, no, no.
04:48.60
heymarvelous
Through email selling by selling something that we haven't sold before outside of inner circle and in a way we haven't ever sold anything just to see what would happen nor people into this. Are they excited and then the other thing we wanted to test was the day so we've never taught a program on a Sunday before and we just thought well.
05:04.43
sandy
Um.
05:07.31
heymarvelous
Have a lot of moms and a lot of people that work a lot in our audience and so like what how is anyone going to have time to fully implement this with us during the week like let's just do it on the weekend and see if we get people that way.
05:19.13
sandy
Yeah, so we did the so the structure of it was Sunday for 2 hours in the morning 10 to twelve pacific we taught lessons the basic lessons and then we had 2 hours to workshop and we were just there quiet. Um, on Zoom everybody was just away working and then they just put their raise their hand if they got stop right? A question and we would help them through it and then the afternoon we had um a few 2 more sessions and then some q and a and some more work time so that was kind of the structure just made it up just testing as you said to see how it went. Um I do want to talk with the marketing for a second and then we can dive into the results the marketing and I think this just sort of proves. The point is we did not run any paid ads we did we did I yeah I think 2 or 3 social posts. They didn't really do anything I don't think I think our existing client saw it and that was it. Um, but we sent I believe 6 emails and over a couple of weeks until we sold our 20 spots and it was really fun and interesting to do that and so it was so powerful because it was just our email because we have had. We've got a fairly large list at this point but we've developed a relationship with them and it was so fun to like be able to write the copy for one of the biggest pain points that they have which is list building and the response that we got back from those emails was just it was really fantastic like and I think that there's just.
06:47.97
sandy
When you do something new like this sometimes you just hit people in the right moment of time when they're like I need to grow my list and oh I haven't done that yet and then to like this thing and appears in their inbox about hey let's do this together. We're going to teach this thing and you're going to have it. You're going to get it all done in one day and people really liked it. Even. People who are already in our inner circle. They even paid the money to come to the workshop just so that they could dedicate the time like it's sort of like you kept they keep procrastinating I know I need to do this I have to figure out my opt in I have to write my nurture sequence. Whatever.
07:10.84
heymarvelous
Are.
07:18.48
heymarvelous
Yeah.
07:19.98
sandy
And just not doing it so I will pay the money to sit with you and with you and Jenny and um, just get it done so that was really interesting thing to watch. Yeah I did that wasn't who we built it for yeah.
07:25.96
heymarvelous
Yeah I think that is one of the things that surprised me the most because it was like you you all already have access to something pretty similar to this but you still want to come because you want to do you want to have the one day experience of it and I think that just also speaks to. Where a lot of online courses are lacking or a lot of programs are lacking as that kind of connection to the teacher or to the mentor and so that's something that we've picked up on and we're like watching and we're you know, being as you call like data scientists trying to figure out.
07:48.45
sandy
Um, yeah.
08:00.84
heymarvelous
How to best serve our community and our audience and um and that obviously is how we best serve ourselves with our business.
08:09.45
sandy
So let's be the data scientists um looking back at this that was just like a week ago. Yeah, it was a week ago yeah yeah so what do you? What in your mind worked really well.
08:13.64
heymarvelous
Yeah, it was like Sunday as we're recording this. It was this past sunday.
08:23.81
heymarvelous
I Think the workshopping was the best for me like to teach something and then to have time immediately set aside for implementation where people could could like bring their own scenario their own problem or their own questions up and actually work with us live to workshop it and then. Finish like actually finish something um to me that was like Wow I Thought that might be what happened and I was pretty impressed at how much work Some people were able to get done in that little those little windows of time.
08:45.20
sandy
I had.
08:54.44
sandy
They got done. Yeah yeah, and we've heard over just the last couple of days that a few of them are like I did it. It's live. My opttin's out there. My nurture sequence is set up behind it and it's so it's like super cool to to hear that that they actually um. Like it worked that they actually got the work done which is our whole purpose. The other thing that I think worked was first of all, we sold out which is cool so that worked um the number I think was right? The number of people at 20 because a lot of people they you know, not everyone can come live so some people um were watching the replays. So.
09:15.30
heymarvelous
Um, yeah.
09:29.65
sandy
You know it was quite a small group on Zoome which was really nice. It was so interesting to me was from the emails we were inviting. Everyone to join this one day workshop and we sold 2 inner circle spots off of those emails conversation. You know like it was that was not totally unexpected.
09:44.15
heymarvelous
Um.
09:49.43
sandy
Um, it was a fantastic result. But I think again, it's just the timing of when people receive it and they've been sort of circling around inner circle ah thinking about it and this was just like the tipping point like oh my god that would be fantastic and I'm really ready to join inner circle at this time so that worked beyond beyond to have. Those 2 high ticket sales from the emails trying to sell something else. Yeah, it was so great. So great.
10:11.80
heymarvelous
Yeah I think that was totally unexpected as you said Yeah yeah, and I would say um, like just to the point about workshopping I just want to say like we say this to ourselves to each other all the time but like we give our clients. Like we work really hard to give them everything they need to succeed like on this courses and coaching side like it's like here are the exact instructions to follow and we know that our processes work and our strategies work and where I think things fall apart most of the time for people that don't have. The same kind of results that we would expect are because they're not implementing the strategies and so like we've been and we've talked a lot about like why is that the case like I know that's the case with every program I know that's the case with the program where we met each other because I think there are 5 of us out of like almost 600 that built software companies within six months
10:59.45
sandy
What up.
11:06.10
heymarvelous
In our class to us being 2 of them and I just I would say um like yes, that's normal and so you just sort of have to expect it but like we want to we want more than that I think like we want better results for our clients and so this like implementation piece has been this something that we've like circled around for. A couple years now like how do we actually like get people to implement what we're teaching and we've tried like maybe we just need to coach them with mindset more or like maybe we need to send more prompts or like we've tried all these things and I think that seeing this play out in real time and seeing someone go. From like not having an optin set up on their website and not having an email sequence like on the backend of that opt-in to seeing that like fully implemented within a day is like okay, got it because some people will like say I'm working on it for six months like six months
11:59.38
sandy
On that aha.
12:01.48
heymarvelous
The same thing that somebody else could do in like an hour with us and so like I want everyone to have those results like because the sooner you implement what we teach the faster your business is going to grow the faster you're going to start seeing the results that you're looking for.
12:16.15
sandy
Yeah, yeah, agreed. Okay, what didn't work. What would you? what? what? long? Yeah, the time the length. Yeah yeah.
12:20.61
heymarvelous
I think it was too long was a long day. Yeah, and we just had no idea I think because it's the first time like we're just like I don't know how long will this take let's say 6 Yeah 6 hours
12:35.30
sandy
Let's do 2 hours 2 hours and 2 hours 6 hours
12:37.76
heymarvelous
But 6 hours on a Sunday I think was exhausting I was exhausting to me for sure and I think it was exhausting to everybody.
12:41.39
sandy
Oh my god oh my god it was so long. The other thing that didn't work is like I don't know that I would run it on a Sunday again because people had kids and dogs like everybody's home. And they ended up kind of dropping off at the end because it was dinner time or their kids. Whatever and so there was no like formal like end of the day and that felt really awful to me like we couldn't like gather and wrap it up and sort of acknowledge the work that everybody did and thank everyone for being there and maybe even talk about next steps like.
13:03.42
heymarvelous
Are.
13:15.94
sandy
It just was like they just sort of 1 by 1 laugh just because of life and time and so and that again if that was shorter. Maybe we wouldn't have had that issue but I felt really unfinished to me I didn't like that. Yeah.
13:26.29
heymarvelous
Yeah, yes, and I think that was totally because of the length. Um, and I think we should have Well I think I would maybe move things around so that there was a final session. After the last work session or Q and a so that we actually had that planned into the agenda that there was something else like there was a teaching or or something that was worth staying around for but it's still it still would need to be shorter.
13:38.65
sandy
Um, yeah.
13:45.99
sandy
Um, yeah, coming back for if yeah, yeah, um, the other I just I want to go back to what worked? What also worked was freaking marvelous. Jeez like we like created that entire day 3 sessions as a live event on the calendar sold the product list. Love you know, 3 events were attached to that bang Bang Bang. All the emails went out all the notifications to join the sessions nobody on any issues getting in it was just it was just Flawless. So I Just want to shout out to our other company marvelous because it was so easy to run that it was so so easy.
14:22.66
heymarvelous
Yeah I think that was one of the things like we just didn't even think about because it just worked and I think normally when you're running any kind of like live conference or event any kind of like virtual summit or anything like this. You always have people like I can't get into the room or I can't Where's the link and.
14:27.20
sandy
Um, yeah.
14:38.25
sandy
Yeah, what's the link. Yeah yeah.
14:42.17
heymarvelous
Where am I supposed to be right now and like our software is our marvelous company is phenomenal at handling this and I just I love that you don't have to think about it and I'm so excited that we have this as a tool.
14:46.72
sandy
So yeah, yeah, so there was only one 1 issue with 1 woman who thought she bought and that's why she didn't have access but she actually didn't buy and then she bought and she got in so it was fine so that was the only kind of.
14:58.77
heymarvelous
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
15:05.31
sandy
Little bit of a glitch but it wasn't that a software problem. Okay, so if you were to do it again. What would you do differently. So yeah.
15:12.97
heymarvelous
Shorter. Um, yeah I would I would maybe do breakouts during the work sessions like we talked about doing that and we were just like Zoom like separate Zoom breakout rooms and we just didn't.
15:21.67
sandy
The yeah yeah, like to to Zoom meeting rooms. Yeah do meeting replace.
15:28.13
heymarvelous
Meeting rooms and we just like didn't do it and I think um, you know you and I were like we were we were coaching them on both the nurture sequence like the copywriting of the nurture sequence and kind of the opt-in strategy and I think that I would have wanted to in this particular workshop break out. Those 2 things into 2 different rooms so that the people who were working on the nurture sequence were like with you and 1 space and the people working on the opt-in were with me. Um, because I think then everyone would have had a little bit more attention and focus. Um, yeah shorter I would probably do like.
15:45.32
sandy
Split. Um.
15:54.42
sandy
Um, yeah, yeah.
16:02.36
heymarvelous
3 hours like half as long maybe 4 hours for this workshop. Um I think you start losing your ability to focus after a few hours so
16:05.97
sandy
Um, yeah.
16:13.46
heymarvelous
Mean we encourage everyone to take breaks like as they needed to take them and we did have a dedicated 30 minute break in the middle for people to have a meal but I still I think it's hard to be focused and pay attention for that long. What about you like what else would you change.
16:26.71
sandy
yeah yeah I agree um yeah and I think I would I would do it in the week like just personally because I ended up working on the Saturday like fiddling with all the things and you know I worked many hours on Saturdays to get to get ready and then I work all day Sunday and i'm.
16:32.62
heymarvelous
Um, yeah.
16:42.62
sandy
Sunday night I was so exhausted like absolutely exhausted and then Monday so we you know it's Friday like we've worked for twelve thirteen days straight at this point so I didn't like that and I thought I thought it would be easier I don't know like.
16:43.23
heymarvelous
Yeah, yeah.
16:53.50
heymarvelous
Yeah, yeah.
17:01.27
sandy
Because it's material that we know but you're still on. You're still focused. You're still sitting down at your desk for that many hours so I would change change the day to a week um yeah and and the time I definitely would shorten it as you said.
17:01.90
heymarvelous
Yeah, yeah.
17:17.22
sandy
And then but I would be interested in taking some of our other courses and making these like workshop days. The other thing I might do if somebody wanted to just come for the workshop I would probably charge a little bit more um I think and but.
17:26.84
heymarvelous
Are.
17:34.81
sandy
Yeah, overall I thought it was a definite success I was super proud that we did it and I would I would definitely be interested in in doing it again. Um, the only thing that was so hard Jenny was those flipping slides like we did we we made all these decks.
17:46.41
heymarvelous
I Know we have so many things to say about slides. Yeah I know I know I think that this is one of those things like if I could get rid of anything that I do as part of my note this is That's not true. There are some other things I would also not do on the software side I would.
17:53.14
sandy
Like I just.
18:03.58
sandy
Ah, yeah.
18:05.97
heymarvelous
I don't like management but like that's a separate conversation but on this side and the course is in coaching like the only thing that I really can't stand is making slide decks like I hate I hate it like if if there was like a real Ai robot that I could just put a bulleted list from a Google doc into.
18:18.15
sandy
And um.
18:25.92
heymarvelous
My robot friend and it would like make a perfectly branded coherent slide deck that would be great. Um, but I just don't want to do it anymore like we've started mostly teaching off of Google docs and um and that's been fine and I think I just want to kind of stick to that.
18:43.69
sandy
And yeah I think I think that's like we teach us to our clients like what like why are we doing something that we hate so much like the information to that they need to receive.
18:52.88
heymarvelous
Yeah, yeah.
19:00.84
sandy
Is the information it doesn't have to be in a beautifully branded slide like how else can we do it. They're not there to see to look at the slides like they're there to learn right? So that that was a change. We paid in some of our courses was the like teaching over Google docs which I think is totally fine. Um.
19:07.63
heymarvelous
Um, I know I'm long.
19:15.12
heymarvelous
Yeah, and and we do workshops this whole year. We've done workshops every month in inner circle and I think every everyone I have done has just been over slat over Google docs and sometimes like I actually have a Google doc open and I'm screensh sharing and just talking through the points and sometimes it's like.
19:23.10
sandy
Everyone is a Google.
19:33.67
heymarvelous
Exported to a Pdf and honestly like I would rather use my time synthesizing ideas and being better being better at teaching the material than making the gosh dang slides like making sure the font is the right weight of the title of that's like I cannot stand it.
19:38.10
sandy
And.
19:46.55
sandy
Oh my God I cannot.
19:51.80
heymarvelous
I don't know maybe just I think it's not natural to make this many slides this just reminding me of that that Tick Tok is about powerpoint. So fun.
20:00.90
sandy
What oh yeah I was just I Just remember what.
20:04.18
heymarvelous
Yeah, so funny, but it's like there is no power in your powerpoint like it is a prison for your mind. It does not make you a better communicator. It was so good. We'll link to that in the show notes. It's.
20:09.14
sandy
I Thought I said that too. So.
20:20.77
sandy
Not oh my god oh I was just like trying to remember like there was this thing one that I watched about like how how there's no power in powerpoint and he's just like f powerpoint f powerpoint both off, let me Bob could have been you talking about it.
20:23.81
heymarvelous
So funny. Oh my gosh. It's probably like but it's so good. Yeah I know that's how I feel about it.
20:40.23
sandy
Yeah, we have to we have yeah to link that it was so good. Um, okay, yeah, so I think so overall super happy that we did it I Love the idea of taking something that you have and like repackaging it and reworking it So you're not starting from scratch I Love that we we.
20:43.99
heymarvelous
Oh my god.
20:59.67
sandy
Made some money you know it was sort of a lastminut Thing. We didn't have to do paid ads. We didn't have to go hard on Social. We just completely relied on the list which is what we're teaching people to do is to build their list. So Yeah I think it was I think overall was a great success and I'm really really I Love our. The page that we made and the messaging around it was was really Good. So yeah, we did. We did yeah with fast. Yeah fast like.
21:17.37
heymarvelous
Yeah, and I think we should say I think we just made that page in Canva right? like it was like low fidelity I mean we didn't we have help we have help from our fantastic team to do it. But we're like we just need this made like right now just like. Fast and it wasn't like perfectly mobile responsive because canvas like web page builder is totally in Beta We just like made it really fast and it was just it was just I think that that was what was like let's just experiment and we don't have to go all in because we have a tendency to like overdo everything like we just.
21:36.19
sandy
And can like what call data which just like made it. Yeah, it was just not.
21:51.45
sandy
See like really.
21:54.49
heymarvelous
Just like like we're going to create a new thing and then it's a new like little course and then it's like six weeks of work and so this was not this was just like a like a tiny subset of that. Yeah.
22:00.18
sandy
Six weeks work yeah Yeah this is yeah yeah, it's great. Okay, join hassle. Ah, you have joy.
22:09.32
heymarvelous
I have joy. Okay, so I want to talk about what is now besides our own podcast that you're listening to my favorite podcast and it's called Urban exodus and it's. I Love this podcast like I love it so much I Just I'm so happy and fulfilled when I listen to it and it's all about people who have left cities and suburbs to go back to the the country and people who have like left very urban like white-collar careers to go be farmers and. Um, to go like or to be Artisans and to go work with their hands and and just like live a more I don't know I don't want to offend anyone but like just live a more authentic pure human existence and I I Just I love it so much and I and I have to tell the story of how I found it.
22:50.19
sandy
Sure you human? Yeah, okay so yeah.
23:01.16
heymarvelous
So this summer I have no I it was in August as I was in the middle of like packing to move to to Arizona where I'm temporarily living. Um where I'm living right now I was like.
23:03.35
sandy
In August because I was on holidays.
23:20.40
heymarvelous
Totally overwhelmed with life and what I do to buffer when I'm overwhelmed with life I think is like a lot of people I look at houses on Redfin and so I am always like always looking at there's certain places that I'm always looking like.
23:33.46
sandy
And all like all will be have. There's certain place that track and.
23:37.68
heymarvelous
Tracts of land that are more than 10 acres or more than fifty acres anywhere in the us like basically I have these certain places I look and Vermont is like 1 of those places and like I got really into genealogy this summer which
23:51.00
sandy
So.
23:52.54
heymarvelous
Like that's a whole other podcast episode. We need to have we need to have that episode Sandy anyway, yeah, and so like I had this like incredible learning ah like and like I uncovered all these family roots and that I am related to like kind of the.
23:58.61
sandy
Um I was just like you said Vermond and all came flooding back. We all tell up. But yeah.
24:09.62
sandy
Stop. Oh.
24:12.17
heymarvelous
Revolutionary founders of Vermont and like these anyway the green mountain boys for anyone who's interested I know we have some vermonters in our client base anyway and I saw I was like oh man I just you know my life is hard I'm going to look for farms in Vermont because that's like something I do and I found this flower farm that was for sale and I just.
24:20.27
sandy
It's.
24:31.64
heymarvelous
Like I don't even know I fell in love with it like I just um, they were farming sweet peas and I found them on Instagram once I found the house like I I started figuring out who owned this house. What's the name of this farm I did like a Google maps search and saw that. The name of the farm and then I found them on Instagram and then on their Instagram I found that they were featured that the 2 men who lived at this farm and started this farm were featured on Instagram on this podcast and so then I started listening to this podcast to learn more about them because I was interested in buying their farm long story short. I was not in a position to buy this farm at this point in my life to move to this like 100 year old farmhouse and like with 3 beautiful barns that are like kind of falling down and and like this but I don't 8 greenhouses of sweet pea variety like I just am not in a place in my life where I can. Partake in those things but um it I got really excited about the future someday when I will do things like this and I then I got obsessed with this podcast.
25:34.92
sandy
You also that that week was a particularly low week. Let's say in our in that year and I was on holidays and you slacked me that thing and I read it really quickly and I read it as like I just found a.
25:45.71
heymarvelous
Um, yeah.
25:54.60
sandy
Flower Farm like I don't know what you actually said but in my head I heard I just found a flower farm for our next business and I was like oh and I like opened this thing up and it was so beautiful. It had like event space and it was just gorgeous and.
25:59.92
heymarvelous
And. Yeah, you know.
26:08.91
sandy
All the greenhouses o the gardens is amazing and I like run over to my sister in law like oh Jenny wants us to do a flower farm next and she was like really and I was like yeah and then I was like wait I think that's for her family that I'm not part of that business I'm not part that's not for me I'll just be a visitor.
26:24.13
heymarvelous
Um.
26:26.38
sandy
Ah, maybe we'll run retreats in this beautiful part. But I it's not a business for us like that. So I thought and oh was so funny. But yeah, it's it's um, is was gorgeous. It was just gordous know.
26:28.49
heymarvelous
Oh my god.
26:36.10
heymarvelous
And no there's no going back like now that I've like imagined that is my life like I am holding onto that dream and it doesn't need to be that farm. Although I loved it. It doesn't need to be that one. It can be a different one I'm open to the possibility that it's not even in. Vermont which I've never even been to it somewhere else and so um, but it just like it sparked something in me and I live like my regular life is on a pretty is on a rural island you know in the pacific northwest so I'm like already my life is actually kind of already like that I don't know. Just the farming part of it like I don't have that I'm in like on the side of a mountain in the forest above a lake on an island and so it's just a different topography and it's and so it's also not my business like it's my house which I don't know.
27:29.76
sandy
Um.
27:30.25
heymarvelous
This idea of having a farm So now after listening to this damn podcast like every episode of it I am like Gong Ho that I'm going to become a farmer somehow and like mid life career change at some point but it's not yet. Yeah.
27:37.60
sandy
Oh my god.
27:46.12
sandy
Pretty cool, very cool. Okay, well my hustle is so boring compared to that. Um, but just in the process of again displaying the companies and now we have 2 slack ah 2 slacks because we have the marvelous and then we have the an she. Autumn who many of you know from our coaching program her and I basically are are talking all day long and in this new slack and and we always like I would say Zoom and she'd come into Zoom and it'd be this bit of an ordeal to like find the Zoom link and open up have to wait for her join and I have to admit her and ah and then we started using the slack hot huddle. Voice like just talk like is it's like I imagine it like in the old school when you were like office and you'd like press a button like Don Draper like hello and you could talk to the person down the hall. So that's like what that was to me i' just like click this button start talking and then she would you know instantly answers like phoning someone on the on a landline or something.
28:20.35
heymarvelous
Um.
28:24.67
heymarvelous
Are a.
28:39.34
sandy
But they also have like video so we would like open up video and so like now we don't even use Zoom. We just use the slack huddle but the the video um and it's great and it's so fast and it works just fine. You can even screen share in it and it's just way faster than like. Opening up Zoom and let letting someone in so I kind of love the feature that you said you didn't think it works that well but it's worked every time for us and then you give up.
28:59.38
heymarvelous
Well I will I haven't used it in a long time. You know I'm an early adopter Sandy So I use things when they first start and then I'm like man that's not for me. But I'm willing to try it again.
29:13.28
sandy
Yeah, it's I might well I'm going to just I'm just going to like buzz you and the next time I need to talk to you and we'll try it. But anyway I Just yeah, yeah, yeah, so you so when you um, open up the huddle. It's a little screen and you and the other person is there.
29:14.30
heymarvelous
Yeah, buzz me now I want to hear about these backgrounds.
29:28.89
sandy
And then I was she was so small I was so small so I like you know, just clicked and dragged it bigger and the video part got a little bit bigger but that behind the background like the background behind this 2 screens. It was these beautiful Shonda rhymes like wallpaper.
29:36.91
heymarvelous
Are.
29:47.47
sandy
Behind I was like what is this? What's this little bird in a tree doing and she was Adam's like what and so she like stretched it and then she so every time I do it. It's like a different background but it's beautiful like it's really cool. It's not just like some pattern or something or some like color. It's um, it's really cool. So there's a little easter egg for you.
29:56.45
heymarvelous
Ah, half.
29:59.58
heymarvelous
Yeah, it's not like Facebook blue. It's not Facebook blue like all of the all of the ugly tech. Yeah, all right.
30:07.11
sandy
No, no yeah, no, no, no, no, no yeah Band blue all right there you have it by.
30:14.60
heymarvelous
All righty all right folks. We'll see you next time. Thanks for listening.