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Away We Go We Go follows the journey of Sophie & Jordan Epton, an American couple who moved to France with their 10-month old twins, and the crazy adventure that follows. We dive deep into what it's really like moving and living abroad as expats, interview others who have taken the road less traveled, provide travel tips, discuss how you can do hard things to change your own life, and everything in between.
.A year and a half ago, we. Risked it all and moved to France. We'll
be sharing about our life abroad, how people could do hard things to. Transform
their own lives and everything in between. This is Sophie and
Jordan Epton. Welcome to the Away We Go We Go podcast.
Hello, and welcome back to another episode of the Away We Go We Go
podcast. Have you ever dreamed of living in Paris? The
cafes, the cobblestone streets, and, yes, the croissants.
But wondered what it's really like to raise a family there? Today's
guest pulls back the curtain in the most honest, hilarious, and refreshing
way. I am so excited to welcome Tricia
Estoppenan, the brilliant and funny creator behind the viral
Instagram account Mama Does Europe. Patricia shares the real
Parisian experience, the beauty and the charm, of course, but also the
chaos of moving abroad with two babies, navigating French
bureaucracy, learning a new language, and building a life during
a global pandemic. From moving to Paris just two weeks before
lockdown, defining her community, and growing a
massive online following by keeping things totally authentic,
Trish's story is such a great reminder that expat life is
equal parts magical and messy. In today's episode, we talk
about how she and her husband Javi built a life abroad, what it's really
like raising kids in France, and how her social media career
has evolved into something truly special. We also chat
about her family's next big adventure, moving back to Florida after five
years in Paris, and how she's processing the emotions that come with saying
goodbye. This conversation is so real, so funny,
and full of insight for anyone who's ever wondered what it's like to pack up
your life and start fresh overseas. Tricia, welcome to the
podcast. So, Tricia, I am so excited to
welcome you to the podcast today. Thank you. Thank You. You. So
when I. I was telling you about this before we started, but when I first
moved to France, I found your account immediately
on Instagram and I thought you were so
relevant and hilarious and you were just so informative,
truly, about, like, the real kind
of the French experience that no one talks because you live in Paris
and everyone romanticizes it so much. And it's just, you know,
there's there's romantic things and there's not so romantic things
that are happening. Yeah, it's like, I
know that people know that. So it's like I want to keep it real. So
you see both sides. I do love it, but I. Still love
it, but I just feel like the way that you kind of
talked about the Ups and downs, but always made it, like, very funny.
And it was just. For me, it was like, when I watched everything, I was
like, okay, like, someone else is going through. Through this. As we're starting to, like,
live our lives in France with two kids very young, which I know you
understand very well, too, so I want to just
kind of get into your backstory a little bit. So where
did you grow up, and did you always have an affinity
for travel? Like, what was your childhood like? You know, it's funny, I actually
did not. I grew up in Orlando, Florida. Okay. And we
didn't really. We weren't like, a big travel family, you know, never to other
countries. And I honestly didn't really travel
or get the bug to travel until I met my now husband. And
he lived in. You know, he lived in China. Yeah. Which is another story. Yes,
we'll get into that. But when I visited him in
China and I saw how he was living this life in China, I was like,
this is amazing. I would love that experience. And,
you know, then as we, you know, got engaged, got married, I was
like, anytime that Disney gives you an opportunity to live abroad, I'm
down. I didn't care where. Like, I was ready to go to China, so.
But no, I didn't really have that bug until I was
older, so 20s. But I love that it's like a
different era of your life, and, yeah, you, like, blew it out
in the best. In the best way. So tell me, when was the first
time that you actually traveled to France, and what was that experience like
for you? That's what's crazy. We.
I had never even been. We had a layover here one time. We
visited Spain, but, you know, we didn't see anything, so I can't, like, I don't
have an opinion. We came together on our looksy trip to find
an apartment when we were moving here. So, like, oh, my
gosh. No way. Yes. Yes. I was like, yeah,
I'm down. Like, let's go. I literally just had a baby, so I had a
newborn, and my parents had to keep the kids, and we
came, and that was my first time ever to see
France, which is insane to think about, you know, so. So when you
arrived, was it a good landing? Or were you kind of like,
what did we get ourselves into? Or how did you feel about it? I mean,
I. I don't. I'm trying to think back to how I was then, because
I was also, like, postpartum, so I was like, well, that's true, too. That's
A whole other layer. Yeah, I'm, like, still
pumping, and I'm still. I'm like, in Paris. I think I was
really excited about it. It was just, like, I knew it was going to be
such an adventure with babies literally moving here, but I
was excited and I loved it. We went out to dinners, and we just,
like, literally saw the Eiffel Tower for the first time. I was like, this is
going to be so amazing. And it was freezing, so that was a change.
Yeah. Yeah. So, no, I was
just. I honestly remember being just, like, down, but that's just how I am.
I'm just kind of like, go with the flow. That's such a good. It's such
a good attitude to have when you're coming here, because I think to people, when
you put expectations on things, it's like the worst versus kind of being
like, you're just sort of, like, surrendering to, like, what it could be and
being excited and, like, that's. That's the best.
So we'll talk more about your social media
and get more into that. But I love the dynamic that you
and your husband Javi have because you, like, share all about him and your
cute, adorable boys, and, like, both of you are
so funny. So I would love for you to tell the audience
more about just how the two of you met and just more of your whole.
Your whole story. Well, I was
married before, and it was a really bad situation.
So as I was, you know, we were going to get a divorce. I was
going to divorce, you know, but I was still married. And Javi
is close friends with my cousin, and he flew
in from China from Shanghai to go to my cousin's wedding,
where he met me. That's where. So, yeah, he was just. He
literally flew in from Shanghai for the weekend, which is insane.
In Florida. And that's where we kind of got
started, but I was, like, going through a divorce, so I was like, oh, you
know, like, I don't want to talk to this guy. Like, you know, I don't
know that I'm ready. And we just continued. We just kind of
talked. And then, like, six months later, I'm flying
to China by myself for the first time ever. I never flew by
myself. Oh, and this is, like, how many hours? Like, 20 hours?
Yeah, I think, like, the longest. I had two different
flights, but I think the longest was 14, which is. It was brutal.
Wild. Yeah. To go from, like, not traveling a lot to
14 hours. Like, no. But I had never flown by myself
in my life. Wow.
To China. We're like, this could be weird, you know, like, what if
things are the same in person and hanging out and it was great.
We went to Thailand and, yeah. And then I went back a
second time and that was it. Then you finally moved home. So we did long
distance for a whole year when he was in China. I mean, that says a
lot, too. But also, it also says a lot that you liked him enough from
one weekend you're willing to, like, get on a flight for that long.
No, no. We talked for, like, you know, six months, obviously. Yeah.
You knew something was, like, really special was there. Yeah, yeah.
Because at first I was like, oh, I'm just, like, going through a lot. And
so he was, like, there for me through my whole divorce, which was nice.
And then. Yeah, it was perfect. So, I mean, did you
ever think, like, when you were first starting to date him that being with
him would lead to this, like, crazy adventure that you've called life?
No, but I mean, I guess, like, when I met him, he was on an
expat assignment in China. So, I mean, I
guess I had an idea, or he told me, you know, I may be
flagged for other assignments in the future. And I was like, I'm
down. And we actually thought the next assignment would
be back to China because we thought they'd be building the second park, and I
was down to move to China. Yeah yeah. So I was like, France. Paris
was like, what? We had. No, it wasn't on our radar.
We had no idea that was going to come up. So it was. Yeah. Exciting.
Yeah. I know that your moving to France
story is maybe a little bit more complicated than a lot,
because first of all, I know that you moved with your
two little. I mean, one was like, yeah, newborn small. Two
small boys. And then when you moved there,
Covid started to happen. You had to, like, move back a little bit to Florida.
So. So tell me, just kind of like, what that experience was like. Did you
feel like you assimilated quickly or is that not even a normal question? Because of
Covid. Yeah. No, no. Like, to be honest with you, we moved
two weeks prior to the lockdown.
That is insane. Like, think about that. That is crazy. I had
a four month old and he wasn't even one yet. So I had two under
two. They're both, you know, small babies. And two weeks
later, lockdown happens. Like, my mom had moved with us. She had to, like, hurry
and fly home, get out of France. And then it was just. Yeah. Like,
we never got to really experience Paris, you know,
the real Paris. It was all we knew. All I knew was,
like, an empty Paris, which was kind of cool because I get to see everything
with nobody here. That's true. That's like a once
in a lifetime experience. For sure. It was so on the positive that.
But also, you know, my husband couldn't go to work, so, like,
he was stuck with us. Oh, my gosh.
And the babies. Yeah. Which I get to be honest, like,
kind of helped me because then I wasn't alone with the kids immediately in a
foreign country. He was with me. That's true. That's true.
Actually, that's a really good point because it can feel. You know, my husband is
able to work from home, too. And it's like, if it's so isolating
already as experience, then you add motherhood on top of it. So I.
I agree. It was kind of like, good and bad at the same time to
have that happen. It kind of helps me out because, like. But
what's crazy is this Paris had really strict. Like, you could
only go within certain area of your home and
yeah. I know, I know.
Like, because my parents were already living in the south of France by this time.
And so, like, my mom was telling me every time that she would have to
go out, even, like, walk. Yeah. Have a form, then police would stop her
and, like, the whole thing. So. Yeah.
So when do you feel like you were there? Kind of like through the
craziness of Covid. Then you moved back to Florida for a year
and then. But, like, coming back to Paris when it was a lot more
opened up. Like, did that feel like such a different experience for you?
Yeah, because we were here. Yeah. It
was almost two years. And then what happened was my husband's projects that
he was here for, everything got delayed because of this, and so they
reset. They sent us home for a year to reset our visa, and then we
came back for another three. But at that time, I was, like,
excited to go home, you know, Like, I had, you know, like, I never really
got to fully immerse myself, you know, really
experience living in Paris because I was just, like, stuck in my apartment.
Couldn't go out to eat. Like, I couldn't do anything. So. And I couldn't see
my family. They couldn't come visit, you know, so at that point, it was actually
awesome because we got to go home for a year, and then we knew. Knew
we got to come back and experience it how we should experience.
Yes, yes. Like, you were anticipating it and planning for it and.
Yeah. So now we got, like, a Second chance. We got to pick
a different apartment, so we had different area, so everything was like a
redo. So it was great. Yeah, I know. It's kind of true.
It's funny that you say that, because I feel like everything that we've done since
we've moved here has been like, we've done it twice because you kind of, like,
screwed up the first time, so. Yeah, exactly. The apartment that we
picked, we didn't love the area and the apartment not being, like, big
enough, so we had to, like, move to one. Then, like, we found a crush
for the kids, but then we ended up, like, moving them, so it's like everything
we did twice. So it's nice that you guys had a lot more time to
plan for that. And that was. I'm glad that you've gotten to, like, come back
and experience Paris, you know, just correctly.
Correctly in that. In that way. So. So I'm going to
probably, like, reference more of you moving the second time, but,
like, what has it been like for being in
Paris? Like, as an American, do you feel like
it was easier to assimilate because it's Paris versus the rest of France, or
how do you feel? Like this whole.
How has the whole situation been?
Honestly, I think the biggest thing I did immediately,
even the first time, was join Facebook groups, you know, with English
speaking moms and make your own community
and. Yeah, like, my friends aren't French. They're not all
American either. I just, like, also, our boys go to a bilingual international
school, so I'm able to, you know, meet parents from everywhere
and, like, everyone speaks English, so, like, that kind of makes it easier.
And. Yeah, that's. I think. And where
we live is also close to the Eiffel Tower. Like, everyone here
speaks English, which is kind of bad because
it's like I, you know, can speak French. I mean, not fluently, but
if I do speak French, they just speak English back to me because they know
I'm not. I know, I know. I'm trying,
you know. Are you.
Are you. This is like such a backstory. But are you watching This Summer I
Turned Pretty at all. Do you know that? No, but, you know, I'm. I tried
to start it, and then I fell asleep with one episode, but I was like,
I heard that you need to watch two episodes and push through. Yeah, I'm not
into it, you know? Yes. So should I. Do I need to watch it?
You should. You should. And there's a part where she. This is the last episode.
She just went to Paris we actually just recorded, like, a podcast having to kind
of do with this, talking about, like, the similarities and differences of, like, you
know, what. What the real is. But. But she was talking about that, like, being
in Paris, she's like, even when I have, like, rehearsed the best thing and the
best accent, they still know I'm American. They speak back to me in English,
and, like, that's just what it is. So I think where I live in the
south, they're just. I mean, there's definitely people who speak English, but there's a lot
who don't. It's so different than Paris. Yes. Yeah, so we were like, we're forced
to have to, like, speak. I mean, there's places we drive to and stay, like,
at Airbnbs, where. Yeah, they would. We're in the middle of nowhere. Yeah.
So that's. I mean That's good. Yeah. But I
think it's amazing. I've seen, you know, just. Yeah. The group that you've
been able to create, which I also think is different in Paris because there's, I
think, a bigger expat community. But I
love that you've, like, found your community there, and I think that's. That's
awesome. So, just in terms of. As we talked about
romanticizing Paris and everyone, I mean, I feel like Americans just love
Paris more than any other city. What do you actually think that
you love the most about living in the city? And what
do you find to be the most tricky or, like, what do you think are
the biggest differences between, you know, Parisians
and Americans and kind of how that culture comes together or
clashes? Well, let's see. I mean, yeah, there are a lot
of differences. I would say what I love the most about Paris
is this is definitely my number one. It's just, like, I walk out of my
door, and it's just, like, immediately beautiful. Everything is beautiful. Every building's
beautiful. I'm just. I've still, to this day, I. I just
like to walk around. I just. I'm like, this is amazing. Like, I live here.
This is so beautiful. This is outside my door. The food,
the food. 10 out of 10. So many good
restaurants. Like, you can't even. You can't even go to the mall. There's thousands.
But the difference is with, like, Parisians, I think they
are harder to. They're like a harder shell. You know how Americans were
just so. Hi. Hi, Smiley. Yes. Yes. And it
just, like, takes. It's harder to, like, crack them open. But I. I
do think that they're nice people think that they're rude, but to me, I just
don't think so. I think they're just different. You know, they're not
smiley like Americans and upfront friendly. And it takes time.
And I also noticed the work life balance here is so,
so different than in the US it's like, so different.
So different. Like, and meals are just like enjoyed for hours,
you know, and you just sit and talk and enjoy and
I mean, even lunchtime, like, Javi's telling me they go to lunch and they'll have
like a bottle of wine. And that's totally normal here. Like, it's
just. But I say, let's say the hard part is like administration
and customer service and it's not the
same. Yes, the customer service is. Oh,
it's. No, I recently, I called, so
it's just. Yeah. I had to call my Chase credit card
recently to dispute this claim. It was like a fraudulent
charge and they were to be able to talk to someone from
America and to be able to just. They were like, great, we'll take care of
it, no problem. And I got off the phone and I said to my husband,
I was like, customer service, service. It's just so
nice. Yeah. Yes,
yes. That's so funny you say that. We just recently had to do the same
thing. Javi was on speaker with someone. They're like, how can I help you today?
This. What do you need? Oh, no problem. I'm like,
wow. Yeah, yeah, no, it
is. It's probably, I would say for me, like, the conveniences and
the customer service are by far, like the hardest things to. Because it's
just. Yeah. It just doesn't exist. Although I feel like
in Paris at least you have somewhat more convenience,
but still it's totally different than living in Paris. So. Yeah,
convenience. You're right. That's a huge one. That's a huge one. But
I think it's, it's hard for me to think about these things because, like,
I've been here so long and like, these things have become normal to me. So
I'm like trying to, you know, to me, I'm just used to it
now, but when you think about it, I'm like, yes, yes. Right. You're, you're, you're
used to things being closed in the middle of the day or closed on
Sundays or people taking a month long vacation in August or
like all these things. Yeah, yeah, I'm just, I'm used to it.
So when you say things, I'm like, yes, yes, this, it's. Yeah. And I know
when I go back to the U.S. things become, you know, the reverse culture
shocks become so apparent to me. I'm like, whoa, that's crazy,
you know? Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.
I want to talk with you more just about your Instagram account, because,
like, you should feel so proud of yourself. It is a
triumph. You have, you know, created something that I think people have
really responded to you now. I looked today. You're now officially up to
150,000 followers. So congratulations on that.
That was my goal. That was my summer goal, so. Oh, I love that.
That's. That's amazing. So kind of walk me
through what inspired you to start this account and just
kind of what has been some of the best and most unexpected moments
as you've kind of been through this journey in social media. Yeah, well,
I honestly started when we first moved here, but I was just,
you know, that was still photos. Photo posts were the things.
Right? And then once reels came out, that was,
like, the new thing. I remember. I remember my very first one,
and it was a real taking. It was like my walk
to pick up my oldest from school. It was, like, far, because I lived in
the 16th, had to cross the river. It was, like, crazy. Oh, wow.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I did, like, clips,
and. And I put, like, a French song, and I was like, wow.
You know, I liked that. That was fun. And then it was like my.
I just got. I had so much fun making reels from then on. I loved
making reels, and I was like, this is my creative outlet. Because I'm really, like,
not creative, but I actually liked doing this, so I was like, well, this is,
like, my thing. And so. No, you're. You're very creative. You just had
to find your outlet. Yeah, that was my. Yeah, this is, like, my thing. I
love it. Like, my favorite are the funny ones, though. Like, my favorite reels
are like, you know, the funny voiceovers I do with my husband.
Yes. Stuff like that are the most fun I have.
But. Yeah, well, the hardest part with Instagram, I'd say,
is, like, everyone's opinions. So it's like you open yourself
up to so much scrutiny. It's crazy.
Yeah. So many opinions. Like, I didn't ask for your opinions.
Yeah, no, it's. It's wild when you see, like,
who's out there, and you're like, okay, clearly, you're literally a troll in
a basement, like, just starting off, but it's still. It's hard to, like,
hard to create that channel. Yeah. Yes.
So that's Something like, if you're. Yeah. You ever want to be in social media,
like, you better, like, have a thick skin because no matter what
you post, no matter what, there's going to be some
hate on it. Like, I don't care what I post. It's. It makes me laugh
because I'm like, this is. There's nothing. How could you find something bad in this?
But they will find that one little piece is all, you know,
attacking for it. I just went on. So I just got used to
that. But the thing is, is, like, you're. You're creating
and they're consuming. And so, like, that is definitely the difference. But. No, I
know what you mean. It's like, we had one post that went viral and people
were knocking me because I said, my two twins, they're like, it's just
twins. You don't have two of them. I'm like, really?
So my husband, like, there's two of them.
Yeah, I know. I know. It's so. I. Yeah,
it's something ridiculous like that. Yes. But, like, surely
you. You love it and you, you know, have done
so much with it that you're willing to, like, take on the haters and just
keep. Keep doing your thing. So I think that's great. So you were talking about
how your favorite posts are, you know, with you and your husband doing funny things.
But what do you think has been, like, your favorite viral post that you've
ever created? I'm putting you on the spot here.
I know. I have to think about my
favorite. Like, that I had fun making or.
I have.
Oh, well, it's okay. You know, it's funny, too. The ones that you
put the least amount of effort in are the ones that
viral. So it was funny because I
didn't. I did. I can kind of have an idea when I think, like,
something's going to go viral. And I don't know if you saw that one. I
did with Maddie Nelson and her husband and. Oh, yeah,
I saw. Oh, yeah. But everyone thought it went viral.
Yeah, that one, I think was pretty good because it was, like, so
spur of the moment. I'm like, oh, let's do this one. And it was just.
Boom. It just, like, blew up. Blew up. And that stuff like that
is my favorite. And it literally took us two minutes. Yeah, that's
what. So if you ever want something to go viral, don't put much
thought into it because the least. It's
great advice. Truly true. It's true. Anything.
I'm. I'm like, I'm putting too much thought into this. I'm. So much effort. It's
not like people
know that I put too much effort into this, so it's not going to go
viral. It's insane. But those funny ones are my
favorite. Well, and I think they, again, I think it's you and your husband. You
have, like, a really amazing chemistry, and I think people really, like, relate to
it, and they just think you guys are hilarious and what you are. So I.
I love it. It makes total sense. That one went viral.
Anything with Javi, it's like, he's the star, though. People are like, oh, my God,
Javi. And the one I just did with my. The one I did with my
parents, I also love that one. That one in the restaurant. Yes, I
saw that one, too. I know. It's so good. The newest one.
That's a new one. That one was funny. I liked that one. Those are my
favorite. I gotta. But I don't, like, find. I
think I have to, like, hear the audio. And then it, like, the idea comes
to me, so I have to, like, scroll sometimes, and, like, that's how I get
motivated. Your inspiration, right? Yeah. These are all great
tips for anyone listening that is, like, you know, trying to start their own account.
So that's great. So I'm
gonna switch gears a little bit here. I want to just talk a little bit
more about what motherhood has been like for you. Living in
France, moving with your small little babies. And,
you know, what has it really been like raising these boys here?
And, you know, what have you loved and, like, what are you kind
of excited about thinking about them, like, going back to
America as well? Yeah. What I love the most, I think, is
that they go to school with, like, kids from so many
different cultures and so many different languages. And they're
asking me about them. They want to learn about it. They're like, oh, my friend,
you know, went to Egypt and, like, they are so. What
do you say? Multicultural there? Oh, yeah, definitely. They
know, like, I never knew these things at their age. Like, they're being
bilingual and knowing about all these other cultures and, like, I don't even think I
knew, like, other countries. And one thing I
noticed, like, French parenting, they are more
laid back with, like, the kids have more independence. I feel like,
yes, they do. It's like when you go to a park and it's like,
you can tell. You're like, we are. We are way more helicopter. And they're just
sitting, they're hanging out, they're reading a Book. They're just like, whatever. Their kids are
playing. That's me now. I don't love it. I'm like, no,
you play. Because it's like, that's their time to play.
But in the us even my mom that's here now, she noticed at the
park. She brought it up to me. I was like, yes, you see that? Because
in the US it's like they follow. The kids are on the
playground, and I'm still. That. I'm still that
way. But maybe it's because I have twins. They're young. They're.
They're three. They just turned three. Yeah, they're young. No,
that's. That's okay. I mean, like, the older. Like, I'm like, if you're old enough
to go play, like, I'm not. I'm gonna sit here and you.
Okay. I'm looking forward to those days. For sure.
Yeah. No, no, no. At three. No, not at three. Not at 30,
but you know what I mean. Older and also, like, people always
ask me, but I don't really know the answer to this, how
are French kids so well behaved at
restaurants? Yes. And they just sit. And they. I know,
aren't running around the restaurant, and they don't need a tablet.
Yeah. But then they're like, how. But honestly, like, I don't know.
I don't know. Like, maybe because that's instilled in them from
so young to sit and enjoy the meal and you sit and.
Like, they do so often. I think so, yeah. You know that
they're brought up like that. Like, I feel like even though my kids moved here
because we. They were 10 months old when they moved, so I feel like they're
sort of a hybrid right now. I feel like they're definitely crazier
than a typical French file. They're
a little more feral. But they also, like, they can sit for a while at
a restaurant and be okay. But it's. It's just
not the same when we. I feel like every time. Because my kids. I love
that you're talking about this. It's like. It makes me feel, like, so good because
they just started their international school. Like,
but they. It's.
Yeah. Just thinking about. I don't know, the fact that they are so much more
feral, I feel like, than half the kids. I see them. I come to pick
them up. They're like, running around. They're doing.
Yeah. I'm like. I know. I'm hurry. Yeah.
Then I feel like my American showing of, like. Right, right.
But also, everyone here is so quiet. I know. So quiet.
And my youngest, still, he's got this. He. He actually,
I feel like, is the most French because he's been here since he was, like,
four months. Like, he only knows life here. He's the most
French, but he's also the most American in the sense that he's so loud.
Like. Yeah. Still. I'm like, yeah, it's yelling.
Just talking. He's loud. Like, it's just natural, I guess. I don't know.
Yeah. But, yeah, I noticed that a lot here. Like, the kids are. They're.
Yeah, they're just, like, more calm. Like. I don't know.
It's a difference for sure. You notice that. Yeah, it's.
We'll kind of see. We'll kind of see how time goes. But, yeah, we definitely.
I mean, I don't know. Sometimes I blame it on my husband because I'm like,
you're already, like, such a loud, like, gregarious person. So I'm like, they
just. They got it from you. So that's what's happening here.
I think it's just. Yeah. I think it's just a natural octave, people.
I know. Yeah. And he
still talks so loud all the time in the. In our. Like, our apartment. I'm
like, cool. Yeah. And then
I noticed, like, when I go out to eat, I'm just like. I
know. I know. It's. I know
to be in our 30s and to have that, like, ingrained in us for
so long about just that culture, it's. It's hard to, like. It can be hard
to, like, tone it down a little bit. So. Yeah, I completely understand.
So are the boys excited to move back to the States, or are
they kind of, you know, getting a little bit sad?
I don't know that they really understand. Like, my oldest, I
think he understands, and he's, like, the most American. He love. He. He's like,
bye, I'll go to Florida. Like, whatever. Like, he loves it because he wants to
swim, and he wants to be like, we have a
pool back home. So, like, he's, I think, gonna love it. But Cruz, I think
will. He doesn't understand. He doesn't even remember living in
Florida ever. Right, right. He was, like,
three. He was three. And it was one year of his life. And
I feel like we talked to them about it. Like, we're gonna be moving back.
We're gonna be moving back, but I don't know that they really get it. You
know, I think that they think we're gonna visit and then come back. So I.
I don't know. I keep mentioning it, but I can't tell if they really grasp
it, you know, I'm not sure. Well, just, like, we're
gonna find out. Yeah. Just like any mother. You're. Yeah. You're just gonna do
what you need to do, and you'll figure it out, so. Yeah.
But I am trying to get them in a school that has a French
program. Like a bilingual aspect.
Yeah, that's awesome. But it's a magnet school,
so it's like, I have to apply to get in. So
I already wrote them on, like, my kids lived in France. They speak French. Like,
you would think they might want them in the bond. Really? Well, yeah,
I agree. I agree. Most people want to have their kids
Spanish in Florida. So, like, I don't think the French program's as popular.
So I think I have a good feeling that they'll. They'll be getting in.
Do you think, in terms of, you know. You know, because you were
talking about, like, living in Paris and being able to. It's harder to
navigate the language. But, like, how. How. I mean, how do you feel
like your french is. Do you think that you'll still want to,
like, keep learning when you get home? It
depends. It just. I don't. You know, I don't know. It's like, I
always think about that, because then it's. It's like, I more so would use Spanish,
you know, in Florida. And the crazy part is,
like, my husband's first language is Spanish. Our kids don't know Spanish. Oh,
that's so wild. That is. I mean, it's true, though. Like,
my husband lived in Argentina, so he speaks Spanish, but it's
like, there's only so much we can, like, fit into the day when they're learning
two other languages at the same time. So I totally get it. Yeah.
And he's like, he. Yeah, it's like one parent would have to focus on
only speaking, you know, that language. I mean, I have friends that do it. Their
kids are trilingual already. But it's like, hobby. I
always told him, people are like, I can't believe you never spoke or topic in
Spanish. And he thought. He's just like, I think it's a lost cause, like,
living in Orlando. Everyone we're around, everyone speaks English. English, English.
I'm with the more speaking English. He's like, they wouldn't get Spanish that much.
Yeah. So I don't know. I I
don't know, but I think that I will, to a point to, like, keep it
up with the kids and, like, keep their French going. So, I mean,
I think that I know enough now to. But they don't like to speak French
with me, so there's that. That's so funny. I have a
friend who. I have a friend who lives in Italy. Her husband's
Italian, and her son, he's so great, but he's, like, very
stubborn, and he does not like to speak English with her. And
especially she just took. She just took them back to the States to visit her
family, and it's like pulling teeth because he knows English.
I'd like to speak any English. He's like, no, I'm Italian.
Even though he was born in the U.S. it's really funny. No way. I just,
like, decide. He's four. They just, like, decide, I think, what
they. What they want to do. And, you know, that is
funny. No, my kids are like the opposite. They're like, we're not speaking French.
Sometimes I'll catch them, like, speaking French to each other. I'm like, oh, my God.
Oh, my God, this is so cute. That is the coolest.
Yeah. But definitely, my youngest is so French. He does, like, French
expressions and just, like, little things that he does, like, crack me up because
I'm like, oh, my God. Like, he's so French. I know. So it's
gonna be so interesting to see how he adjusts to
life. Yeah, I think it'll be fine.
I'm sure it'll be good. They're like. They're young enough. So, I
mean, speaking of that, like, I know, I mean, we've been mentioning it,
but this is. So what's really interesting is you're probably the first person I've had
on the podcast where you knew that you were moving to France with
a kind of a finite, like an end point versus. I think everyone. I think
everyone feels like once you move somewhere, like, you have to be there forever. And
I don't. I don't like to look at life like that. I kind of like
to be a little bit more fluid. You just never know where life is going
to take you. But I would love to just kind of hear your
perspective on, you know, what it's been like preparing
that your family, they're moving. You guys are moving back in early 2026.
We've planned a huge South Africa trip as like, our
last. Oh, I have so many questions for you on that, by the way, because
I'm like, planning my 40th in a few years. We're gonna do. I think we'll
do something like that. So. Yeah. Yeah. Especially
because it's, like. It's a way less flight from here than from the U.S.
so we're like. So we've actually got it.
Thank God. We got it to where? We're going to South Africa, like, three
weeks, and then we're doing our home flights, and we go back to the U.S.
so, like, the company booked our flight from South Africa to Florida.
Amazing. We were gonna have to come all the way back to Paris, and
then so we got it to where the price was actually cheaper. So we're like,
can you just book our flight? Very nice. That's gonna be amazing.
Beautiful way to, like, kind of spend your last days. And
I'm excited for you. Yeah, I
know that's. I'm really excited about this. But what. I mean, what
are your thoughts about moving back? Like, what do you think that you're gonna miss
the most? What do you think that you're the most excited about getting back to
the U.S. Yeah, I think the main thing, the
Alamis, is how social I am here during the week. Like,
and I have more friends here than in the US And I see them
all the time because, you know, you're in a. You're in a big city, and
we can walk everywhere. And, I mean, I go to workouts with my friends. We
just randomly go to lunch. And I'm constantly seeing my friends.
And I know it's not like that in Florida at all. It's like, oh, we'll
play with. Maybe see you on the weekend, or. It's not as, like,
car culture. Yes. Get in a car. It takes a while to. Even if you
live somewhere, it's like, take 20, 30 minutes. It's. Yeah, it's a whole thing.
Exactly. Like, my friends are all spread out. It's like, that I think I'm going
to struggle with, because I. And it's crazy, like, how many friends
I made here. But also, like, I'd say excited
for is definitely. Definitely the
ease of having a yard and space.
Yes. That to me is like, I miss that a lot
because, like, I could open my door and, like, they just go play in the
yard here. It's like, all right, let's dress. You gotta walk to the park. And,
like, it's not that simple, especially when it's cold. So, like, also,
you know, in Florida, we're like, oh, put on your sandals and, like, walk outside.
So things like that. I Think are ease,
you know, make your life a little easier with kids. For sure. For sure.
You know, and it's like culture being able to go through
drive throughs, like, I don't have to get you dressed, just like get in the
car. Like. Right. Stuff
like that. And obviously family. Having family around
again is going to be amazing. Oh, yes. Having your village back,
it's going to be huge. But I will 100,000%,
like really miss Paris. I'm sure. But my husband will be business tripping, so
maybe I'll just like go back with him. Absolutely. Oh my gosh. Take every chance
you get. Yeah. Because I'm gonna. Unfortunately,
just everything about life here is so different. It's just hard
to compare the two. They're literally. Yes. Night and
day. Well, especially Florida, because it's not like you're moving from like New York City
to Paris, which has some similarities. Like, it's. That's as different as
it gets. People are like, how are you gonna do
this? I'm like, well, I'm like live my whole life in Florida. Like. Right,
right. I. I think also it depends like, what type of person you are. I'm
like a very, I've noticed this about myself, very adaptable.
Like, I can just like be happy. Like, I will figure it out and
like I've got like the people I love, my family, Like, I'll be happy
wherever you put me. Like, that's just how I am though. Yeah, I know. Not
everybody. No, but that is, it's like such a gift to be that way because
I think like I said, you, you have sort of surrendered to what is going
to be, which is, I think major experiences, the best that they can be.
So. Right. Yeah. No, I could tell the second we got
on. Yeah, you are, you're. You're so positive. You're so fun. Like you can tell
from, you know, just even your social media that you're just that way.
So I think that you. I've had people ask or I have friends
that, you know, their friends follow me and they're like, is she like that in
real life? They're like, yes, I'm the same.
Like, well, I know like some people think, and I'm sure some people are
fake or act different online than they are in person. Yeah. So people are
always curious. It's like, are you really like that?
It's me, it's me, I swear. No, you're. Yeah, you can just tell.
You're like super positive and I know that, like wherever you know
this, like Wild Life takes you. You're going to. You're going to do great with
it. So. Yeah, maybe we'll get another. Maybe.
Maybe. You never know. I'm very,
like, down because I'm just like, yeah, I love the adventure.
Yes. I know the big controversy for you too has been
like, are you changing your name with your Instagram handle and
like that. I don't know know, like, where you're at with that. But
I, I already have like two other handles. Like, I
already got the names just in case I want to them. Okay. So it's just
like my. Nobody even knows my name, though. That's the problem. It's like,
I kind of want to just like, do Trisha Dot Sopinan,
because then I can live wherever. I don't know. And people are like, don't change
your name. But I can't be. I
can't be Mama Dessert forever, because. Yeah, right.
But I didn't think that through when I first moved in that I would, you
know, eventually maybe have to change it, so. No, it'll be, It'll be good. No,
I think you should change it to your name because like you said, you can
take your brand with you wherever you go. So. And it's, it's a great name.
So it is what it is. You know, you hope people follow you for
you more than where you live. Right. I'm sure a lot of people
do, but if not, then I wish you well.
So for those that are listening that do
want to move to Paris, I feel like you're kind of an expert now that
you've been there for five years. I mean, truly though, I mean, that's.
It's a long time to like, live and survive in a city I think that
can kind of like, if you don't watch out, can like swallow you up and
eat you alive and all the things. So what are the top,
like, three to five pieces of wisdom that you would tell people
for, you know, moving there? Well, first thing that I did
right away was, I talked about this earlier. Find
Facebook groups are probably the best you need to find, like, wherever you're moving
in whatever city, if it's Paris, whatever, like English speaking moms
in Paris, like, there is a group of that. And so like, I. That was
the first step because I need that they will give you support. You can ask
them anything, all that they know, everything that you can, you know, need to
know. And also, like, I think that it's important that you
let go of how you did things in the US like, you need to,
like, immerse yourself in this new life. You know what I mean? It's
hard to explain. Like. Yes. No, it totally. Because the more that you're
like. Things are going to be different. Yeah. Yeah. The more that
you're like, well, this is how they do in the U.S. yeah. Live here. It's
a different culture. Just assimilate. Like, just let go.
Yes, yes. You need to let go and fully just immerse
yourself. It may be hard, but, like, you need to. Yeah. You
need to, like, make friends. Like, that's important. Like, at first, you're not going to
make French friends. You're not. You're just not. Don't expect it. No. It takes years.
It takes hard to crack that shell. So, yeah. So, like, first
I'm like, I need to find, you know, Americans or whatever English speakers that
I can, you know, have a friendship with, because that. That's your support. You're not.
You don't have family. And also, you definitely need to learn
French. Not, not fluent, but you need to know enough to
it day to day. There's lots of things, like reading, you know, produce
at the grocery store. Like, you're not going to know what any of this means.
So that's, like, super important. I'm trying to think. What else?
Oh, just like. But this is. Again with just immersing
yourself in the culture, like, learning to. That slow
down. Things are not going to be as fast as you had them in the
US like, everything's going to take longer. The checkout line is going to
take longer because just. You know what I mean? Like, you go to,
like, ask someone for something, they're like, okay. And like, they just, like, kind of
take their time and they don't, like, rush things. They don't
rush anything here. No. Come in with
knowing those things and, like, you'll be okay. And I know
administration things is really hard here, but we had, like,
a company doing that, so I don't really have much advice on that
because, you know, Disney hires a company here that does, like, you know,
our Visa stuff and our phone. Yeah.
Things that, like, that's so People that do that on their own. I'm like,
wow, that is amazing. We were. We were like,
we have an immigration lawyer who's helping, but a lot of it,
we're, like, kind of doing all on our own. It is like, it's so hard.
Yeah, it is. Like,
it's possible now. It's for sure. I can have conversations, like,
with teachers and people at the grocery store and all of that. But it's like,
if we have to go to like the doctor for my son,
it's a totally different set of vocabulary that I'm like, we're
learning. We still don't know. So it's. Yeah, it's okay. I know,
and I feel it's hard because it's like you're gonna seek out.
And this is again, what I did in the beginning. Like, I need to find
an English speaking doctor. And I, you know, because like, I'm not ready to
write. I don't have that level of friendship. So, like, when you're first moving
somewhere, there's so many things you don't think about that you have to figure out.
But that's why these groups really help you because you can be like, do you
have a babysitter that you recommend? Do you have a doctor? All these things
that you need to figure out. And that's how I, that's how I started getting
advice and reading through these forums to.
And so even to this day, I struggle with this stuff. To the this day
I'm like, oh, I have to go do this. I'm like, oh, I don't know
how to say that in French. You know, I'm just like, these things that you
don't think about that affect your day to day, you know, I. Love you saying
that because I think people feel like. And even me, myself, like, it's like I've
been here for two years. It's finally things are starting to like, click a lot
more. Yeah, but it's like, but then it's like, you know, you'll just have to
deal with something like right now. I mean, the fact that, like, it took us
two years to find a parking garage and speaking French to do it and like
all, you know, it's just like everything, Things, a thing. And so I just feel
like. And I think it'll continue to be until you've been here like, long enough,
and then there'll still probably be things that surprise you. But. But I love hearing
that from you that, you know, and just people understand, like, it's okay.
It's not perfect. Sometimes it's chaos, but it's okay.
Yeah, it's hard, but it's. It's also the best experience I've ever had
in my life and I would never change it for anything. And I'm.
I think that's what I'll miss also. It's like the, just the
adventure of it, you know, it's like every day is a new adventure for
Me, even though Paris does feel like home to me, but it's still, like,
there's still new things that I'm discovering every single day. It's like I'm constantly
learning new French words or whatever about new things about French culture
that I didn't know. And it's, like, always, like, you know, back in the US
it is easy. So it's comforting because I'm like, oh, everyone speaks
English. So easy. So easy. Like, I could just go ask her this,
and, like, I know how to say it, but I'm. Yeah, but that's easy, and
that's comfortable. And this has obviously pushed me out of my comfort zone so
much. But then it's changed me as a person, like, forever.
You know, how I see the world. Like, everything has changed. So
it's, like, worth it. Worth it. I think it is.
I think anytime that you challenge yourself and you do something that's really hard,
you push your boundaries. It's like, it's easy to stay in comfort, but I think
sometimes that can turn into complacency. And so I just feel like when you're.
Every day is an adventure. Every day you're stretching yourself from the moment you walk
outside your door. And I think it. Yeah, it does. It just. It turns you.
I think, for me, like, it's made me believe in myself,
like, every time, because I studied abroad in Florence, too, and, like, all these
experiences, it makes me, like, believe in myself and know, like, what I'm capable of.
Because I'm like, yes. You know, even the other day, I mean, going back to
this parking space, this parking garage is still crazy. Crazy to get in and out
of. I'm telling you, because, you know. You know, it's like we have, like, a
wider car. And I told myself, I, I. To give myself a pep talk, and
I'm like, sophie, you've lived in. You've lived in France for
two years. You've done so many hard things. You can get this
car out of the parking space.
Like, you can do this. Did you see my story the other night? Did you
see my story? I don't know. Parking car in our parking garage
posted about this because I drove. We
drove to dinner. My husband drove, but then he. I didn't drink because I had,
you know, a cold. And I drove back, but I was like, I drove the
car into our garage, but I was. Yes, I did see that.
Yeah, I
know. I know. You're like, have the curve here back up.
I'm like, I. It's so. Yeah, the small Spaces here. Driving
here. Oh, my God. No. Yeah, it's so. Yeah, I'm going to. I
enjoy that in the US Too, because our big roads are huge. Parking
spaces. Parking spaces. Yeah. So
nice. I know.
Yeah, that's. That's like. Yeah, but it's like little things like that that you don't
realize are going to be. Anything's going to pop up. Like, this is going to
break. Like, I got to call somebody. Like, oh, God, how do I say that
in French? And I will admit that I definitely rely a
lot on. Because his French, he's been forced to. He's, like, fluent
in French now. He's. He's like, I understand everything. He's like, I understand
everything. But some words, like, you know, like, my
grammar's better in French, so sometimes I, like, correct him. But anyways,
he has. He's not afraid to just speak it and just, you
know. So I'll just be like, babe, just go talk to him. Call him.
And he's like, just go do it. I'm like, no, I'm just shy to, like,
mess up. I don't like messing up. And then I feel stupid. I'm like, you
feel stupid a lot. I know. You're just like. You feel. It's just
like a different feeling. You're, like, in fear. You have to, like, I can't explain.
I'm like, oh. Yeah. You said try to get over yourself. It's hard. It's hard.
Yeah. I'm like a perfectionist. And I. Yeah, I feel silly a lot. And
it's just like, oh, well. Yeah. I'm like, so.
I mean, you know how many times I've said desolate?
Desolate. Because I feel like when I say start with that, they're like,
oh, okay. Like, you know, she's trying. Yeah.
Yes. But then. Then I just. When they speak English, they
just. They're like, whatever. I'm like, fine, we'll just speak English. This
is the problem. This is the problem, because everyone here, where we live, speaks
English. So it's like. Doesn't help me learn more French. You know what I mean?
Yeah, but that's also, like. That's a real truth of living in Paris, too. So
I love that you're. You know, I think everyone that thinks they're going to move
there and put on a French beret and start speaking French, and it's just like.
No. This is not the reality. So it's a hard language. The language is
hard. Oh, it's so hard. Especially when you think about
Spanish and It's phonetic. Yeah. And even I was in Italy last
week, and it's like, it's so much easier. I love speaking
it because it just is like, sing songy. And it's phonetic and it's.
Yeah. And it's just everything. Everything just. It's like, just look at a word and
take off half of it with the pronunciation. And That's French, you know,
So.
I know. It's like, you don't pronounce this word. You don't pronounce this or this
leaves the letters on the end of this word, but you do pronounce it here.
It's like. Yeah, so. But it's such a beautiful language. It is.
It's gorgeous. I love French. French is like, I think my
favorite language to hear. It's so beautiful. Love it. I know. So
keep it up. I hope the kid. I hope my kids can keep it up,
you know, like, what a. I know. What a. What a sad thing, though, for
them to learn another language and then lose it. This is why I want to
continue their French in the US because it's. Like, I'm telling you, they're going to
get in that school and they're going to continue and it's going to be good.
So fingers crossed for you. But I have a good feeling about it.
Yeah, I hope so. So for you, you know,
obviously we're talking about the move coming up, but, like, what is. What is
next? What's happening in your life? What's going on? Tell me all the exciting
things. Like after we moved? After move, or even this year.
This year. Well, we actually got to fit in one last, like,
so another city on our list. We're gonna go to Venice. Like, just us and
we're gonna come back. You have to go to Venice. Just the two of you.
It's the most romantic. Yeah. And it's gonna be in December, so it will be
cold. But I'm like, whoa. But it's been on the list. It was the
best time to go because people don't realize that the water starts to smell
when it gets hot. You don't wanna know what's in that water. Just don't.
Yeah. Yeah. But it's. No, because I went in February. It was gorgeous.
It was cold, but, like, it was beautiful. It's a great time to go. And
it will be, like, big crowds probably. So I'm really excited about
that. I mean, otherwise, it's like, you know, my husband has another guy's trip. I
have. I have a trip To Morocco next week or, sorry, this week. Oh, my
gosh. Yeah, that's right. Where you go. Where are you going in Morocco? To
Marrakech. Oh, have you been before? No.
Oh, I'm gonna send you. I'm gonna email you a list. It's like one of
my favorite places. You probably already have an itinerary, but just, you know, a couple
extra places. To shop or shopping.
Yeah, I'll send you. I'll send you all the things. So, like, amazing. I was
thinking, like, what do I bring back from Morocco? Because there's probably certain things, like,
I should buy there. You know what I mean? To bring back, But I don't
know. Yes. Yes. So, yeah, you should tell
me. Tell me when I need to purchase. Yeah. Well, if you. If
you can. If you can do a rug. If you like a
rug. They. They have the shipping down to a science.
Oh, they will get it to you, probably, because it's only Morocco to
France. They'll probably get it to you. Yeah, I'm not like. Because they, they would.
They would ship things from. To the US in three days for me.
They just know what they're doing. Yeah. Because, like, big rugs. He's like, you don't
want to take those with you. That's such a pain. So. No, they had. It's.
It's great. So, yeah, like, rugs, pottery.
Like, the shopping. The shopping is so good. It's so good.
Yeah, the shopping. Yeah. So we. We kind of just have, like, open days. We
have one day that's like four hours at home. Like, the massage,
like, the whole works. Yeah. So that's like my.
Yes. And you know what? As a mom of two. Yeah. The
food. Do. Oh, do. Do the mint tea every chance you get. Because
it's a whole experience. Experience. It's like, I don't normally drink sweet tea, but
it tastes amazing, and you have to do it. Yeah. I don't usually either,
but I will. But I will. Yeah. It'll be part of the experience. It'll be
great. Can't wait. Oh, I'm so excited. Yeah. We've got a couple trips,
and then otherwise we're still here for Christmas. My parents
are coming, which is cool, because they've never come for Christmas. Yeah. To have one
last Christmas. Our last Christmas.
I know. Because they do it so well here. Yeah. And then
the company. What they do is like. Like, they have people compact our stuff, and
then we have a container, and then they ship it, and I think it's
like a couple months or so. So like, whatever we bring to South. Africa
is what, you know. Yeah. With my parents, maybe I'll send them, like, an
extra bag. But, like, that's our clothes when we get to the US until our
container comes. So. And then, and then we've got the issue with, like, now we
have tenants that are. We're renting our house. We won't be able to go into
our house. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. So right now we have to find a place to live in the U.S.
Like, apartment or something. For, like, short terms, whatever. Yeah,
you'll figure it out. It'll be, It'll be good. But lots of. I'm excited to
see kind of the rest of your year and also just, like, how you are
transitioning back into the US and just all the things. Things. Because I think it's,
you know, I think it's. I always tell people, too, I say, if you move
somewhere and either it's for work and, you know, it's finite, like, for you, or
you just want to move somewhere for a little bit, move back. Like, I think
that's great. And it's kind of, I think, good for you to also, I think,
shine a light on just reverse culture shock and getting back into
the system in the US, that'll be really interesting to, to follow. So.
I know I, I, I've done some reverse culture shock videos, like, when I visited.
And it's funny because of course you get hate on the. I can hate on
it, of course, but it cracks me up because people will be like,
oh, you act like, wait, you used to live in the U.S. like, who cares?
I'm like, but you don't understand. It is a reverse cult. It's like,
I've been used to this way, and now it's just like, opening my eyes. Like,
things I didn't notice, things that were, like, used, like, normal in the
U.S. like, you don't realize until you go back and you're like, oh, wow, that's,
like, totally different than how you know. And it's just, like, fun pointing out the
differences. Like, people get mad over everything, though. So
they just need to chill and
find something else to do with their lives. But, yeah, just. You keep doing
what you're doing. Yeah, I'm gonna do me. It's like, you do
you. That's right. That's right. So I know that
you're definitely gonna get some new fans and followers from this
podcast. So I want you to kind of tell everyone where you follow your. You
and find you and all the things I want you to. Yeah, well, I
mean, Instagram, Mama does Europe and
TikTok is the same, so I really. Yeah, I'm not
as. You know, I haven't really kept up with my TikTok as much, but Instagram
is like my main. It's your baby. Yeah. Yeah. That's like, where I
started. It's like, I feel like TikTok sometimes is, like, so much younger, though,
and it's like, wow, I feel old, you know? I know, I know.
Like, pretty young. But, yeah, I. I thought
of doing YouTube, but I'm not. I mean, I'm on there. The same name mama
deserve, but I haven't again, kept up with it because that's like a whole nother.
It's a whole other world, you know? Yes.
So I'm like. I don't know that it's, you know, it's just a lot. It's
to always think of these ideas already and then to also have to film video.
So, yeah, maybe. Maybe in Florida. Like, I'm kind of.
Yeah, you'll see. You'll see. But for sure, everyone, like, who's
listening? You need to go follow her. She is such a bright light.
She's so funny. I love the dynamic with her and her husband and her kids
and I. And I just love the real take on Paris. I think it's. I
think it's perfect and it's great. It's like kind of lifting the veil on what
life is really like. So, yeah, I definitely love it and I
will romanticize it, but I'll also show the hard truths,
the hard realities, the harsh realities. Sorry. Yeah, it has both, for
sure. You have been amazing. I've, like,
laughed so much, which I. I had no doubt that I would with
you. Yes. This was fun. This was fun.
Great, great talk. Great talk. And just learn more about your story and just. Yeah,
and just give us. Give us the real about. About life, because it's. It is
different. I. I tell people all the time, like, about life, but it's the south
of France. It's very different from Paris, so So different.
I love the south of France, though. It's amazing. Yeah.
If you think it's slower in Paris, just come here for like a month and
you'll really. You'll really see. So it's. Yeah, it's wild, but. And you
get the good weather. Okay. We do get the good weather. We do. It's a
beautiful, sunny day today, I have to say, but. Yeah, it is sunny here too,
actually. Good, good. I want you to go enjoy your
sunny day in Paris. Thank you so much for your time. Yeah.
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