Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast

Your young athlete may not need another workout. They may need better recovery and a smarter definition of strength.

Bill Parisi went from an undersized high school athlete to a two-time Division I All-American and Olympic Trials javelin competitor. He later built the Parisi Speed School from a van and his parents’ basement into a youth performance system that has trained athletes for more than three decades.

Bill explains why sleep, hydration, nutrition, and tissue care can matter as much as the next practice. He also shares why recovery is one of the biggest things parents miss. Then he challenges the idea that strength is simply a bigger squat or bench press. For hockey players trying to become harder to move around the puck, traditional lifting is only part of the equation.
In this episode:
  • Why Bill tells athletes to make sleep more important than practice
  • What parents misunderstand about overuse and recovery
  • How properly coached resistance training can benefit kids before puberty
  • Why bodyweight exercises aren’t automatically safer than weights
  • How “farm-boy strength” prepares players to stay strong in awkward, off-balance positions
More training isn’t automatically better. The right stress, recovery, and coaching are what move an athlete forward.

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What is Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast?

A relatable and honest podcast about the highs and lows of being a youth hockey parent. Join us as we share real stories, struggles, and wins from the rink, offering insights and support for parents navigating the world of youth hockey.

Intro:

This is for the sled dogs in the trenches. Real hockey parents, real stories. The Good and the Gong Show. No filters, no sugarcoating, no politics, just straight hockey talk, and the best guests around the barn. Welcome to the Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast.

Intro:

Alright, boys. Grind them corners, chirp responsibly, and bring that savage fire.

Scott:

Alright, everybody. Welcome to episode 86 of the Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast powered by Pacific Rink, the unfiltered podcast for hockey parents. No politics, no sugarcoating, just real talk for hockey parents in the trenches.

Jamie:

Thank you to Big John Dangles for our awesome intro.

Scott:

B J D.

Jamie:

At Big John Dangles on Instagram. That's what's

Scott:

up. Yeah.

Jamie:

So nice job with the intro, buddy.

Scott:

Thanks, buddy.

Jamie:

It was seamless.

Scott:

Seamless. That's my middle name.

Jamie:

Seems that way, doesn't it?

Scott:

It is. No pun intended.

Jamie:

Yeah. Well, it was kind of it. It was kind of intended. Oh. Yeah.

Scott:

You're smarter than I thought.

Jamie:

Sometimes. Spending on the day. You know? Spending on day.

Scott:

Spending a weekend at a higher educational university.

Jamie:

Where I lost a lot of brain cells, by the way.

Scott:

Did

Jamie:

you? We drank a lot.

Scott:

You did?

Jamie:

We did. Wow. Parents drank a lot.

Scott:

You were like the fighting Irish.

Jamie:

We were drinking a lot.

Scott:

But not fighting. You were just Irish.

Jamie:

My Irish blood came out big time.

Scott:

You have Irish blood? No. Oh. But

Jamie:

but we went to enough Irish bars where you would have thought I was Irish.

Scott:

Very good.

Jamie:

Yeah. We we we ate at a... We... I think... I'm trying to think if we ate at any non Irish places.

Jamie:

I don't think so. The kids ate at Chipotle one time in between games. Other than that, I'm pretty sure the parents... Like, it was, like, O'Connell's, and, they were... It was Irish...

Jamie:

There was an Irish

Scott:

pub hunties.

Jamie:

Irish pub right next to the hotel. We ate there twice. I don't think... I don't remember us eating at a not Irish place.

Scott:

O'Leary's?

Jamie:

Yeah. Exactly. Which is appropriate when you're out at Notre Dame. Right?

Scott:

O'Callaghan.

Jamie:

Yeah. Exactly. O'Somethings. O'Somethings. O'Somethings.

Jamie:

O'Somethings. O'Brien's. Shout out, Brienne. You know? But, yeah, man.

Jamie:

It was, yeah. You know, it was, it was... Yeah. Lost a lot of brain cells this weekend.

Scott:

Good job.

Jamie:

Lot of brain cells. Lost a lot of brain cells.

Scott:

And sounds like it was fun. It was fun. Okay. Good.

Jamie:

Yeah. No.

Scott:

It's But before we, go any further, we wanted to shout out partners. Homie?

Jamie:

Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. So Howie's Hockey, use our discount code crazy 10 for 10% off your Howie's Hockey gear. Dominic actually...

Jamie:

I just bought him, new laces because his laces snapped the night before we got in the plane to Notre Dame. So, yeah, luckily, I had already had Howie's gear already, so I was good to go. You know? So... Yeah.

Jamie:

So that that was that was awesome. So I I I relaced his skates right after I I sharpened them, like, the night before we left, and I relaced them while I wanted to be sleeping. Oh. Because I had to get early from an early morning flight, Thursday morning. So I relaced them, with the Howie's Hockey laces, Extra that I had, so it was good.

Jamie:

Yeah. So tape, laces, gear. Go check out howie'shockey.com. Use our discount code crazy 10 for 10% off all your Howie's hockey gear.

Scott:

That's it. And let's, shout out coach Kevin at hockeytraining.com, the premier platform for all of your at home off ice hockey training needs. I'm personally using the men's league domination workout program right now. Yeah. Are.

Scott:

Following nutrition guidelines. I'm all signed up using the app. I can tell you every day for the past twenty whatever day, say it's 29. Since September 1, I've been daily... I've been shooting pucks, a 100 pucks every day.

Scott:

I've been following along coach Kevin stick handling, videos. I do one a day after or before I'm shooting. And so it's it's great. It's great. So Very nice.

Scott:

Yeah. For anyone that's looking for a library and workout programs for off ice conditioning, strength, speed, stick handling, shooting. Hockeytraining.com is your place to go. Hockey training HQ on Instagram. Check them out, and, it's it's a great resource to get some reps in at home or away from the rink.

Jamie:

Nice. And then we have Titan Battle Gear. Go to titanbattlegear.com, or you can go to our show notes, titanbattlegear.com backslash Crazy Hockey Dads. Use the discount code Crazy Dads 10 for 10% off your Titan battle gear. We love it.

Jamie:

We put our kids in it because it's got the a nine protection, which is the best protection on the market from skate blades. I think our whole team's using it now.

Scott:

There's not

Jamie:

there's not many kids on our team that's not using it. So I see... And I'm seeing it everywhere else too. Yeah. Yeah.

Jamie:

So go check out titanbattlegear.com. Use that discount code crazy dads 10 for 10% off your Titan battle gear.

Scott:

Very good, my man. And we got athletic performance insight. Again, for any managers, coaches out there that are still undecided looking to add any video analytics and team statistic tracking platforms to your current seasons, you know, learning, then go to athleticperformanceinsight.com, check out the contact form, fill it out, reach out to Eric. He'd be more than happy to plat... Or show you the platform, demo, how it works, as well as break down a game for free.

Scott:

And on the other end, you're going to have all of your analytic needs, stats from individual stats, team stats, video breakdowns after the games get tagged. It's an amazing resource. Jamie, you and your team are using it.

Jamie:

Yeah. We are.

Scott:

I've used it in the past. So if anyone's still looking to add video review to their current season, go to athleticperformanceinsight.com.

Jamie:

Nice, man. Good stuff.

Scott:

Yeah, man.

Jamie:

So the hockey season is upon us.

Intro:

What do

Scott:

mean is upon us?

Jamie:

The professional hockey season is upon us.

Scott:

Oh, that season. Yeah. Yeah.

Jamie:

Sure is. Hockey season is upon us. Dude. Tonight. Today.

Jamie:

Yeah. Tonight. 05:00. Right? 05:00.

Scott:

Let's go Canes Canes Panthers. Alright. Real quick predictions. Who's winning? Gut response.

Scott:

Canes Panthers. Who's winning?

Jamie:

Canes.

Scott:

Toronto, Montreal. Who's winning?

Jamie:

Montreal.

Scott:

Vancouver, Edmonton. Who's winning?

Jamie:

Edmonton.

Scott:

So you've got Edmonton, Montreal.

Jamie:

There's two more games.

Scott:

Chicago's playing.

Jamie:

Chicago, Vegas?

Scott:

Vegas. Chicago, Vegas. Oh. That one's... Yeah.

Scott:

That's that's that's golden nights all day.

Jamie:

And then there's one more. And then there's the Rangers and the Bruins. I'm taking the Bruins because I fucking hate the Rangers.

Scott:

Yeah. F the Rangers.

Jamie:

Seriously. Can't stand them.

Scott:

We gotta talk to BJD. We got a Rangers jersey in that intro

Jamie:

as Seriously.

Scott:

Haven't... We haven't called that out since we've got it. We haven't even talked about that.

Jamie:

But it's appropriate to call that out.

Scott:

Isn't... Yeah. I think it's...

Jamie:

Yeah. Yeah. It is definitely unacceptable. It is... It really is unacceptable.

Jamie:

Yeah. You're not wrong about that. No. I mean, if it had, like, Gretzky's number on, I'd be like, okay. Fine.

Scott:

Like Yeah. But you don't wanna use Gretzky's number. I mean, he's amazing. Don't get me wrong. But...

Scott:

You know?

Jamie:

But if it was, like, Gretzky's jersey or, a, know, like a nod to Gretzky's jersey, I'd like, okay.

Scott:

Fine. But Gretzky had other teams. We could've... I would rather have a Gretzky St. Louis Blues jersey.

Jamie:

Oh, he was on the Blues. Yeah. That's right.

Scott:

At the

Jamie:

end of his career.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

Did he retire a Blue?

Scott:

No. Or

Jamie:

did he come back to the Rangers?

Scott:

I think he retired as a Blue. I think.

Jamie:

But I'm assuming he retired as an as an LA king. Did he do, like, the, the signing? Oh. That thing where people sign for, like, a day just to retire as I

Scott:

don't think he did anything like that. Like, Flurry did when he came back to

Jamie:

Right. Yeah. You

Scott:

know? Wherever Flurry went back to.

Jamie:

Right. Alright. Listen. Well... Alright.

Jamie:

So listen. Pittsburgh. Oh, right. So we're so we're underway for the NHL season, which is awesome.

Scott:

My phone actually rang. Strange.

Jamie:

Normally, it's my phone.

Scott:

I know.

Jamie:

I don't know who

Scott:

I was in. Anyhow.

Jamie:

Yeah, man. But, yeah. So we're... The the devils are not playing till Thursday. Yep.

Jamie:

Because they're like the redheaded stepchild in this area. Why? Well, do you think they're gonna have the devils on in place of the rangers?

Scott:

Save the best for last.

Jamie:

I like where your head's at.

Scott:

That's what I'm saying.

Jamie:

Normally, it's... But everyone in this area likes the Rangers.

Scott:

You saw they pick... The Devils picked up that goalie from, from from Didn't Poirier from

Jamie:

Dallas. Really?

Scott:

So people were calling out, like, it's a Sunny made, like, moneyball move where the guys, save above expected in the AHL has consistently been above. Like, his

Jamie:

stats analytics thing.

Scott:

It's an analytics thing. Like, his stats too. His stats have him, like, I don't wanna say dominating the AHL, but, like, they're very good for the AHL, which would say, like, okay. This guy deserves a chance. And so they're bringing him in.

Scott:

If it works out, it's gonna be, like, you know, a great deal. If it doesn't work out, you didn't, like, spending too much to get

Jamie:

them. Yeah.

Scott:

Yeah. Yeah. But Hellebuck is still still What's going on with that, man? I don't know.

Jamie:

I mean, this season is starting in life.

Scott:

He's coming to Jersey.

Jamie:

I mean, listen. I hope you're right.

Scott:

And then, you know who's gonna sign after that? Quinn Hughes.

Jamie:

Of course, he is. Uh-huh. We knew that from two years ago.

Scott:

Yep. Hellebuck Hughes.

Jamie:

Yeah. We knew that. When you and I started this podcast, we were saying that.

Scott:

Yeah. But listen. When he went to Minnesota and they did... You know, come on.

Jamie:

You really thought he was gonna sign there? I didn't.

Scott:

Well, he's

Jamie:

I've been saying it the whole time.

Scott:

I... Well.

Jamie:

Everybody's like, oh, no. You'll see. He'll sign. He'll love it out there. He's got a chance to spend with his brothers.

Jamie:

That window is not open long.

Scott:

Yeah. Blood is thicker than water, as they say.

Jamie:

That window is not

Scott:

open long. But money talks. Dude,

Jamie:

yes. It does. I mean, ask Matthew Nyse about the money talks.

Scott:

Yeah. Well What

Jamie:

does he think about that?

Scott:

I think he's getting used to trade to Columbus? Columbus.

Jamie:

How angry is he?

Scott:

I mean, look. We talked about this before.

Jamie:

The Columbus Blue Jackets from the Toronto Maple Leafs?

Scott:

Yes. I mean, look. Once you've made it to the NHL and it's clear that, like, that's where the league you belong in and that's the league that you're gonna, like, have your career in, then I guess you can get to a... You know, you definitely get to a point where you're like, I'd rather play here than there. But I mean, he's a about that.

Scott:

No. But he... I don't know. He's living the dream. He's getting paid millions of dollars to play professional hockey.

Scott:

And who knows what the future holds. You know?

Jamie:

Fair. Fair.

Scott:

But still But still. Yeah. A 100%. You get McKenna McKenna. I was like, McKinnon.

Jamie:

McKenna? McKenna. I like Yeah.

Scott:

Yeah. Combine the two.

Jamie:

I mean, you know... Yeah. I don't know. I I I don't know. I I feel bad for him.

Jamie:

I feel... I really feel bad for him because he did... He was not expect... When he signed the when he signed the extension with the Maple Leafs, he was not expecting this.

Scott:

Dude, what... Well, I I just... Wouldn't be so sure about that because he... But they almost traded him at the trade deadline.

Jamie:

I know they were talking about him. Why would you deal him?

Scott:

I I didn't know. I mean Apparently, a trade fell through because it it happened after the cutoff. Like, it... There was actually a trade in place.

Jamie:

To go to Columbus or somewhere else?

Scott:

I'm not sure exactly where, but I'm pretty sure that's the deal. So him being traded from the Leafs isn't... Can't be surprising.

Jamie:

It's not a surprise.

Scott:

And maybe they knew exactly that that was gonna happen once they got the first pick. It was just a matter of getting the right deal.

Jamie:

And... Listen. I... That's a tough place to play hockey.

Scott:

Columbus? I I don't know.

Jamie:

To go from Toronto to Columbus?

Scott:

Well, some say it would be easier in some ways.

Jamie:

I I guess if you want a small market move I guess if you want a small market, you know, small market. Yeah. Maybe. Maybe. Right?

Jamie:

I'm sure this... I'm sure the media is

Scott:

From the perspective of winning. I mean, like Yes. That's came right. You came... You you have Bobrovsky now.

Jamie:

Yes.

Scott:

Right? You got Bob.

Jamie:

You just got

Scott:

You got Goldfinding. You got Gavin McKenna. Yeah. Like, you're

Jamie:

You would think that they would be a shoe in for, you know, a deep run into the Stanley Cup playoffs. You would think. One would think.

Scott:

There... Or if not this year, certainly

Jamie:

They're they're moving in the right direction, whereas Columbus, I'm assuming Worenski's gonna want out of there soon.

Scott:

Well, he was almost out, then he made a u-turn for whatever reason Yeah. Which is probably just a temporary u-turn

Jamie:

I would think so.

Scott:

Yeah. Until they get someone

Jamie:

A 100%.

Scott:

Or whatever the deal is. But... Yeah. Yeah. But the NHL is upon us.

Jamie:

Yeah, man. I'm excited about it. I'm definitely excited. I'm I'm going to the Yankee Yankee playoff game tonight, so I'm not gonna be able to watch any this stuff, unfortunately. Well, I'll

Scott:

What a bad decision that was.

Jamie:

Well, listen. I mean... So I'll be able to watch the 05:00 game because we're not leaving till, like, so... For an 08:00 start. So I'll be able to watch a little hockey.

Jamie:

I'll be able to watch a little bit of Carolina Panther game.

Scott:

I have a men's league game tonight at 09:15. So

Jamie:

So you'll miss

Scott:

I'm good

Jamie:

until about, like, 08:45. Yeah. You'll miss the last two, but you'll probably catch some of the second one.

Scott:

I'll definitely catch some of the second. When you get home.

Jamie:

Oh. When you get home. So it's 10:30.

Scott:

Oh, not that's not this. I'm talking about the Maple Leafs Oh. Montreal game.

Jamie:

That's 07:00.

Scott:

07:00.

Jamie:

Yeah. Yeah.

Scott:

So I got, like, an

Jamie:

hour catch. Yeah.

Scott:

I'll probably sit in the parking lot and just watch it.

Jamie:

On your phone? Yeah. That works.

Scott:

I think. Yeah. We'll see.

Jamie:

Hockey is now in full swing. The the youth season is here. The NHL is here. I mean, we are now

Scott:

College isn't here.

Jamie:

College is not here. No. Now speaking of college not being here

Scott:

Yes.

Jamie:

We might as well roll into that, by the way.

Scott:

Roll tide.

Jamie:

Well, we're sort of. Sort of. We're not talking about University of Alabama, but I like where your head's at.

Scott:

Yeah. That was college.

Jamie:

You know? So roll Princeton. I don't think it's not a thing,

Scott:

but Go tigers.

Jamie:

Go go... Exactly. Go go tigers. So, so Princeton's Baker Bash, which is their kind of event that they have before the season starts kind of get the fans, you know, energized about, Princeton ice hockey starting men's and women's is on ten... Saturday, 10:10.

Jamie:

Do we have that correct, Scott? I wanna say that's correct. Let's just double check. Saturday, 10/10, which is Saturday, October 10 at four to 6PM is a... And there's and there's a meet and greet.

Jamie:

So the men's and women's are gonna be playing. They kinda, like, mix them. Yep. And they kinda run, like, a three on three, stuff like that. It's pretty cool.

Jamie:

So it's our first year. We're gonna be there. It's our first year attending it. So we're gonna be at the Baker Bash. So if you're in the area, if you're in the, you know, metro area, Philly area, you know, Northern Maryland, I guess you can kinda come up from there.

Jamie:

Come with us to the Baker Bash on on 10:10, from four to six. If there's a meet and greet after, you so can meet and greet the players, you can... They'll... I'm sure they'll sign. So if you guys want kids kids wants them signed.

Jamie:

So, yeah, man. So the college season is here as well.

Scott:

You know, expecting big things from this year.

Jamie:

I hope so, man.

Scott:

If you're listening, buddy.

Jamie:

I hope he lights it up this year.

Scott:

Yo. Let's go.

Jamie:

I really hope he lights it up. He played as a freshman last year, so he's he's a legit hockey player.

Scott:

No. For sure.

Intro:

You know?

Jamie:

So I hope he lights it up.

Scott:

Well, we're gonna find out, man.

Jamie:

I mean, Rhino, no pressure, but I wanna go back to Lake Placid. I want you guys to come back to Lake Placid. We're gonna be there regardless, but you guys need to be there when we're there

Scott:

That's what's up.

Jamie:

For the ECAC finals and

Scott:

finals. Alright.

Jamie:

So No pressure.

Scott:

So Baker Bash. So, the the event itself, you were saying there's three on three. What else is happening, like, during the event? You said meet and greet.

Jamie:

So the meet and greet is after. So it's gonna be... I wanna say they mix in the men and women. You and I are you and I are gonna be on a phone call shortly about that logistics. So we will come back to you on our next pod, which will be the Wednesday before the baker bash

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

With a little more detail.

Scott:

Yep.

Jamie:

Okay? So we will find out exactly what's going on. But from what I remember, Benny Benny telling us was, the men's and women's kind of, like, do a coed three on three kinda, like, you know, up and down the ice that that fans can watch

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

Between between four and six. And then I think there's a meet and greet after.

Scott:

That's awesome.

Jamie:

I don't if the kids can go on the ice. We're gonna find out.

Scott:

We'll find out.

Jamie:

We'll find out some more details from Chaz and from the, you know, the Princeton crowd. We'll find out, but, it it sounds like it's an awesome event. Yeah. It's gonna be our first one, so I'm looking forward to that. So if you guys are around October 10 between four, which is Saturday, between four and 6PM, you wanna come hang out with some...

Jamie:

I... I'm pretty sure it's free to get in.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

Right? I'm pretty sure. I hope I'm not wrong

Scott:

with that. Confirm that.

Jamie:

I'm pretty sure it's free to get in. Right? We're gonna confirm that is right. But, yeah, I I mean, it's it's a meet and greet with Prince and Ice Hockey, men's and women's.

Scott:

Yeah. That's awesome.

Jamie:

Should be awesome.

Scott:

I'm totally looking forward

Jamie:

to get that. Me too. Should be sick.

Scott:

Yeah. And so... And and and They're doing

Jamie:

that to kick off the college season.

Scott:

That's great. Yeah. That's great. And and on the thread of... On going afar to to go support hockey, we're gonna be going to Atlanta this weekend.

Scott:

We are. So down in Atlanta, and Jamie had talked about this on the previous pod that he had come across a place called the Hockey Barn when he was visiting family down in Atlanta. Needless to say, it ended up getting, picked up by, you know, someone down in Atlanta who then told the owners, who then were in touch with us, and long story Sure. Crazy. They are opening, this coming Saturday that they're having their grand opening party.

Scott:

It's called the Barn Bash. And we're gonna be down there. We're gonna do a live pod down there.

Jamie:

Yeah. Yeah.

Scott:

Where we'll record it live. Does that make sense? We're not gonna broadcast it live. So Not sure what we're gonna do there. A live studio audience, if you will.

Jamie:

Yes. Will.

Scott:

We're not recording it live. Maybe we'll do some Instagram lives down there.

Jamie:

Yeah. I'm sure we will. You guys will see it

Scott:

on the surface. It's like a, you know, a a new state of the art training facility down in Atlanta. They have synthetic ice. They've got something called a training lab. They got all kinds of, you know, hockey specific training.

Scott:

And you listen, Atlanta is seemingly an underserved market right now for youth hockey, and that's what the, you know, they've shared with us and they're really bringing it with this hockey barn. So we're gonna be down there for the opening. We're gonna experience the Hockey Barn ourselves. We're gonna meet some folks down Atlanta.

Jamie:

You're really gonna experience the Hockey Barn.

Scott:

I am really gonna experience it because they're gonna put me through, I think it's called their player development.

Jamie:

Like analysis, like a Yeah. Like a baseline to see where you're at.

Scott:

Where I'm at. And I'm expecting to be off the charts for, like, a might. Bust. I was gonna say

Jamie:

for a PVA.

Scott:

Well, no. I've got... I've... Well, I have an update on that.

Jamie:

Oh, you do?

Scott:

I have an update.

Jamie:

So you're out of the PVA status now? Well, not entirely PVA status?

Scott:

Not entirely. Okay. So I I took a skating private last week with Elle. With Elle. Yeah.

Scott:

And Who if you don't

Jamie:

know is a is a skating coach in our area. She's a former Olympic

Scott:

Yeah. Three time Olympic skater. Right. With country of Georgia.

Jamie:

Country of Georgia.

Scott:

Yeah. And state. No. Which we're going to

Jamie:

Which we're going Friday. To.

Scott:

Yeah. But, yeah, so when I was done skating with her, first of all, my outside edges definitely need a lot of work. That was Really? Oh, a 100%.

Jamie:

Your outside edge sucks?

Scott:

My my outside edges suck. Yeah. Gotcha. More so on my left foot than my right foot, but neither one is fantastic.

Jamie:

So your right handed turn is weaker?

Scott:

My right handed turn is weaker.

Jamie:

It's weaker. Is that right? You can't turn to the right as long

Scott:

as you

Jamie:

turn to left? Because you're right hand dominant. Right?

Scott:

Yeah. I guess. I don't know.

Jamie:

So you could turn left better than you could turn right. Am I right?

Scott:

I I I just need help, and I'll

Jamie:

try Who's on first?

Scott:

So what? Exactly. Who? Who? Yeah.

Scott:

Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Anyway... But... So at the end of it, said to her, I

Jamie:

was like, oh, and

Scott:

I I still need to post some some videos. I haven't done that yet. It's whatever. But Nice. I know.

Scott:

Way to go, me. Good job, me. Project Hockey Dads happening in the background, but not yet visible to the the public at large. Although, I do have some posts on, Scott Dark and Early.

Jamie:

That's right. Yes, you do.

Scott:

She said... I said to her... And I was like, you know, I I figured for... If you had told... Asked me beforehand where I'm where I'm gonna have a harder time, I would have said skating over stick handling.

Jamie:

Okay.

Scott:

But then when I finished my skating lesson

Jamie:

With her.

Scott:

With her, I was like, so so where where am I?

Jamie:

She's like, you're a bantam, triple a, hockey player.

Scott:

She's like, like, double a. I was like, really?

Jamie:

You're nicer than Johnny. Than Johnny.

Scott:

Yeah. Damn it, Johnny. Seriously. But then I was like, wait a second. Double a, what?

Scott:

How? You know, because double a double a squirt

Jamie:

would be

Scott:

worse than like a single a.

Jamie:

You would think so.

Scott:

Yes. So thankfully, I've actually moved up. So she gave

Jamie:

she gave me

Scott:

a bantam double a designation.

Jamie:

Interesting.

Scott:

So I can skate

Jamie:

As well as Dominic's team. I hadn't seen

Intro:

you Like, not great.

Jamie:

I haven't seen you wheel, so I don't really know. I'm gonna see this weekend.

Scott:

Listen. When they say wheel

Jamie:

I haven't seen you actually skate since we were, like, in, like, high school.

Scott:

Well, listen. Let me tell

Jamie:

you something. You know?

Scott:

I'm gonna light it up, but this is this is the one butt. The one butt is that I've never skated on synthetic ice before, and that's what they have down there. So I don't know what that's called. Synthetic? It's all synthetic.

Jamie:

Oh, I didn't know that. They don't have a real sheet of ice? No. Oh. Oh, this is gonna be interesting.

Scott:

Yes. It will.

Jamie:

Oh, I didn't realize that.

Scott:

Need a, like, a warm up. I need to, like, take a few passes on

Jamie:

this stuff. Realize that. I thought... Oh, I did not realize that. I thought it was actually okay.

Scott:

Got it. And Eskimos and Iggos and ice.

Jamie:

Ice? Oh, interesting. Okay. Yep. Okay.

Jamie:

Alright. Listen. I mean, okay. Let's see.

Scott:

Any event. So I'll get another another form of a baseline.

Jamie:

Yes. Yes.

Scott:

You will. That's for sure.

Jamie:

Yeah. Okay. Cool.

Scott:

A 100%.

Jamie:

No. No. That... It's... Have a lot going on here as you can

Scott:

on. So going down to Atlanta, Barn Bash, then we're going down to Princeton for the Baker Bash.

Jamie:

The following week... Following weekend. Holy shit. It is following weekend.

Scott:

It's the following weekend.

Jamie:

Jesus Christ.

Scott:

Yo. Yeah. We gotta take a look at the calendar, holy shit.

Jamie:

We really do. Yeah. We have a lot going on.

Scott:

We do.

Jamie:

Which is

Scott:

good. In any event, so That that housekeeping stuff aside, what... So hockey and weekend, you had a, we both traveled you much further than me. What's... Give me a give me some, some feedback from the weekend.

Scott:

What

Jamie:

Yeah. So, so we all... We flew out to Notre Dame on... We've we've... Well, you can't you can't fly directly into South Bend unless it's a football weekend.

Jamie:

That's what I'm that's what I'm understanding. So, it was not a football weekend, and so we flew into... So everywhere you go, it's, like, two hours to get to South Bend. So you can fly into O'Hare or you can fly into Midway, alright, around the Chicago area, and you drive east two hours. Okay.

Jamie:

Or you can fly to Grand Rapids, Michigan and drive south two

Scott:

hours. Okay.

Jamie:

Alright? So we had people doing both. We also had somebody coming from Albany. He went Albany to O'Hare and then took a a secondary smaller, like, jump jet from O'Hare to South Bend.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

So there's a... It... There's no direct access to to South Bend unless it's a football weekend.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

Alright? So we flew into O'Hare. That was easy. Right? I'm United.

Jamie:

And then we rented a car, we drove two hours out.

Scott:

It was a little longer on the way out.

Jamie:

It was Was it not? Let let me rephrase. It was supposed to be. There we go. We're supposed to so what we did is there were there were a handful of us on the plane, so we went for a deep dish.

Jamie:

We're

Scott:

we're Oh, you went for pizza? We did. Was it good?

Jamie:

When we left the airport, place was, fifteen minutes from the airport. Was right there.

Scott:

You go?

Jamie:

I... Shit. I forgot the name of it. Oh, what the? Yeah.

Jamie:

Sorry. Shame on you. We'll put on social. I forgot. Goddamn it.

Jamie:

I've... It's in my phone. I forgot the name of the place. It was good. It was good.

Scott:

It was good.

Jamie:

Yeah. It was good. Yeah. So we all we all... We got, like, a big, long table.

Jamie:

Kids are one and adults at the other, and and our coaches were on our plane too.

Scott:

Oh, nice.

Jamie:

They were with us. Yeah. So they came out to eat with us. We went to lunch. We finished around, like, I don't call it two, 02:15.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

And, like, you look you you look down at your ways, and it's, like, three hours out out to out to South We're like Wait

Scott:

a second.

Jamie:

Where'd that hour... Extra hour come from?

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

Dude, we got crushed. Scott, at, like, two in the afternoon. We got crushed. I mean, crushed. I would...

Jamie:

One of these dads... So Dom jumped in somebody else's car, and then their dad... He's like, I I want something. He's like, I'm looking for... Get, like, coffee.

Jamie:

I'm like, me too. Like, like, Starbucks route. So we found a Starbucks. Starbee's.

Scott:

And then

Jamie:

I followed him out to South Bend, and we got hammered.

Scott:

Like With traffic.

Jamie:

No. Literally hammered. There was a... Yeah. No.

Jamie:

No. No. No. Definitely get hammered. That that type of hammered.

Jamie:

Hammered in traffic. An hour of traffic. What That sucks. Was supposed to take us two to three. Yeah.

Jamie:

There was no accidents. There was no, there was no there was no games. There was no reason... There was no construction. There was no reason for the the traffic.

Scott:

It sounds like their EZ Pass setup there is not great, though.

Jamie:

Oh my god. What

Scott:

happened with these

Jamie:

EZ They're like... They're so antiquated. So so Wait.

Scott:

Hold on. Let me just be... Before you go on with this, though, I think it's worth noting because when I talked to you on the phone, I was like, oh, that's a good idea, And you brought your EZ Pass with you.

Jamie:

I brought So that told another parent to bring you EZ Pass.

Scott:

Yeah. So that's... I think that's a good pro tip for any hockey parents that haven't thought to do that A

Jamie:

100%.

Scott:

Bringing your EZ Pass.

Jamie:

If you travel... If you're traveling by plane someplace, you know, at... Just chat. That's what I did. Yeah.

Jamie:

I'm like, you know, I chat. Can I use my EZ Pass, you know, in the Chicago, you know, slash, you know, like, in the Illinois slash Indiana area?

Scott:

And it said

Jamie:

To go from... And it said yes.

Scott:

No. It said no, but you just

Jamie:

Yeah. So so so, yeah, so so that worked out perfectly, by the way. It it was great. You know? So I brought my EZ Pass, but the the parent that I was following didn't have it.

Jamie:

So Oh,

Scott:

you confirmed that after you got to the destination?

Jamie:

I confirmed that while I was following him.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

So I'm following him.

Scott:

Some throwing change at a window.

Jamie:

Like, like, like, know, so

Scott:

Which they still have they still have baskets on the entrances to the Garden State in some spots. Like, in Montclair when we leave my sisters, there's still, like, things are already changed.

Jamie:

Yeah. Days where you used to throw, like, 35¢ in.

Scott:

Yeah. Yeah.

Jamie:

Totally. And and if and if you if you threw it and it bounced out, you'd, like, beep your horn and just go. So what's crazy about it is there's not gates that come down in front of the cars, like like in Chicago. In Chicago, they have a gate that literally folds down, so you cannot go straight.

Intro:

Right.

Jamie:

Right? So you... You're stuck.

Scott:

Yep.

Jamie:

So I'm following this parent, and I have my easy pass on, and I guess... So they they want you to pair a toll with, like, Apple Pay or a card. There's a tap. There's a tap

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

Where you could tap. So it's a... It's... The booth is

Scott:

not Tap tap

Jamie:

tap tap. So the booth is not manned. Yes. Unmanned. So he was trying to use his Apple Pay and it was not working.

Scott:

That's so annoying.

Jamie:

And so we sat there for like a good four, five minutes. I mean, again, like, the... Why you would have a... Just drive through it and just The license plate.

Scott:

Read the

Jamie:

license plate. License plate.

Scott:

The mail.

Jamie:

And send it to the send it to the person at their house. Right. Right? Like, so... I mean, I see why there's traffic.

Jamie:

Like, you know, it was just unnecessary shit. Yes. You know? So... And then on the next toll booth, we get stuck behind what looked like a like a painter's truck, and the same thing happened with that dude.

Jamie:

Like, I mean, just one

Scott:

Fucking annoying.

Jamie:

It took him it took him more than five minutes for the arm to go up.

Scott:

Jesus.

Jamie:

You know? So, like, I don't know why Chicago has the antiquated, like, the the gates that they fold down. Yeah. You know? So it just...

Jamie:

It's just a waste waste of time.

Scott:

Oh, that sucks.

Jamie:

You know? But... Yeah. But like you said, pro tip, you can use your easy pass, your New Jersey easy pass. I I threw my carry on.

Jamie:

Yeah. I brought it out there. When we got there, I stuck it up on the, the the, the the

Scott:

It's called the windshield.

Jamie:

Thank you. I'm trying to think. The adhesive is right there on the windshield. Boom. You stick it on.

Jamie:

You're done. So it's perfect.

Scott:

Don't put... Don't don't most rental car... I mean, actually, I I don't rent cars enough to know this, but, like, as far as the EZ Pass, I feel like I've rented cars in the past,

Jamie:

and the

Scott:

EZ Pass was, like, I didn't have to worry about... It would... I would just, like, drive through and

Jamie:

Well, I'm assuming they would charge you for it after. No.

Scott:

I didn't expect to not be charged. It it just I didn't... I never thought to bring my own EZ Pass. You know what I mean? Or Yeah.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

Yeah. No. I I was renting from National. Yeah. You know?

Jamie:

So, which I had an awesome experience, by the way. Like, National's Emerald Club is fantastic.

Scott:

Let's go.

Jamie:

Yeah. It was awesome. You and I are using that for Atlanta.

Scott:

And you're wearing a green hat.

Jamie:

I am. It's the Notre Dame.

Scott:

It's like an emerald green. Well Like, a lot

Jamie:

of, like It's appropriate.

Scott:

It's totally appropriate.

Jamie:

Super appropriate. But, but... Yeah. No. I...

Jamie:

So I I I declined their, like, easy pass thing.

Scott:

Oh, you did?

Jamie:

I did.

Scott:

And it was Because you brought your

Jamie:

own. I could have done, like, an added... An add on. Yeah. There were

Scott:

a bunch of ads that I got. Do they make money on those tolls?

Jamie:

I'm pretty sure.

Scott:

That sucks. Yeah.

Jamie:

I'm pretty sure they do. You know? Yeah. It's a convenience feature that they... I'm I'm sure there's...

Jamie:

There has to be an upcharge somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. You know? So I brought my own.

Jamie:

And another another... I told another dad, I'm like, know, grab your EZ Pass. I told him the night before we left. So, yeah, so we finally got out to South Bend. Right?

Jamie:

And we kinda got situated, checked in hotel. We were staying in Downtown South Bend. Mhmm. And... Alright.

Jamie:

So this time, this is a time where I actually would have preferred to not be downtown, and I would have rather stayed on the college campus, on Notre Dame's campus. Mhmm. There's like a there's like a a Marriott and, like, an MC Suites Yeah. Literally right on the right on the edge of the campus

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

Which is, like, this little, like, downtown city, like, right outside, the school. Yeah. That would have been, like, a solid location.

Scott:

Okay. Yeah. But was it that much better than where you were? Or just the experience of being on the campus would have been preferred?

Jamie:

It would have been cool. We could have walked to

Scott:

the rink. Okay.

Jamie:

So that would have been pretty sweet.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

You know? So that would have been... Logistically would have been cool

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

To be, like, on the campus.

Intro:

Yeah.

Jamie:

We weren't far. We were, like, six minutes from the Campus Drive. When you're downtown South Bend.

Scott:

Drive.

Jamie:

Yeah. Yeah. It was nothing. You know? But but it but it was cool.

Jamie:

The, the Irish the Irish bar next, the Irish pub next to us, was great. The people that owned it were fantastic. They... We we were there Thursday night and Friday night.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

It was cool.

Scott:

Nice, dude.

Jamie:

Yeah. No. It was it was it was a cool experience.

Scott:

And you were saying the hockey was, pretty rough out there.

Jamie:

So the the level was high.

Scott:

High level.

Jamie:

High level.

Scott:

Was a double a tournament.

Jamie:

It was a double a tournament. Okay. High... Like, high level double a. You could tell.

Jamie:

These are not your your traditional double a teams.

Scott:

Yep.

Jamie:

So that level was high. The the level of physicality was also super high.

Scott:

And that's something that you you had not experienced in any of your games last year or so far this year?

Jamie:

Maybe against, like, some Philly teams, but this was, like, a whole another level.

Scott:

It was a whole... Right.

Jamie:

So Whole another level.

Scott:

And it was consistent across all the other teams?

Jamie:

Pretty much.

Scott:

Wow.

Jamie:

You know, for... I mean, all of our games are pretty physical. Two in particular were, like, super physical. And I think I was telling you on the phone when you were now talking about it. You know, I think that we talk about, like, refs Mhmm.

Jamie:

For, like, youth sports. Yep. And a game like ice hockey can get out of control very quickly.

Scott:

Absolutely.

Jamie:

And they were letting a lot of things go. Like, to the point where you knew it was gonna get out of hand Yep. Because they weren't policing the game.

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

You know?

Scott:

Yep.

Jamie:

I I have no problem with letting the kids play. I'm all for that. You know? But What

Scott:

do you mean by letting them play?

Jamie:

Like, I... You don't need to call, like, a ticky tack thing. I'm Okay. I'm all for not calling, like, ticky tack stuff.

Scott:

And ticky tack would be like

Jamie:

Like, like, like, if somebody hits somebody, like, after the puck is gone, like, against the boards. I don't mind that.

Scott:

What about, like, a swift slash to the legs?

Jamie:

I don't mind that either, to be honest with you. Okay. I'm okay with that too. Yep. That I don't mind.

Jamie:

Kids that are are, like, are, like, a little bit of cross checking, like like, you know, but, like, like, on the boards Yep. Like, to lower back, something. I don't... Like you see in the NHL, I don't mind that stuff.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

You know? But when somebody makes a run at, like, a kid's head

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

Or, like, or hits them when they don't have the hockey puck

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

And I'm not talking about, like, just playing the puck. I'm talking about they don't have the hockey puck.

Scott:

Like, didn't have it to start, didn't, like, pass it and then get hit, like, just didn't have it at all.

Jamie:

Dominic got lit up by a kid. He didn't even have the hockey puck. And then... And the ref called the penalty, and and the mother from the other team is going, I don't get it. Why would you call it penalty?

Jamie:

He's just playing the puck, and the kid falls over, and it's a penalty. And I and I look over, and I'm like, are you watching the same game I am? Like

Scott:

Did you say that?

Jamie:

Yeah. I'm like, the hot... Hockey Puck was nowhere close.

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

Like, are we watching the same game?

Scott:

Totally.

Jamie:

I don't think she heard me say it, but I'm like, I don't... We're clearly not watching the same game.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

Like, if he had the hockey puck, lay him out.

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

No problem. I have no problem with kids being physical with my kid. That's the name of the game. Yeah. You know?

Jamie:

Because my kid's gonna be physical back, so no problem at all.

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

But, like, when you hit him, he's not looking at you, and he doesn't have the hockey puck.

Scott:

Yeah. It's not right.

Jamie:

Well, that's just a cheap shot.

Scott:

You can just... Yeah. You can totally

Jamie:

hurt someone. It's just a cheap shot, you know? So... Yeah. You know, it got it got it got...

Jamie:

It got very physical. Yeah. You know, like like Dominic went head first in the boards.

Scott:

That scared.

Jamie:

That scared the shit out of me.

Scott:

Yeah. It did.

Jamie:

Scared the shit out of me.

Scott:

Did he did he lay motionless at all, or he got, like, right out?

Jamie:

He didn't.

Scott:

That's good. He Thankfully.

Jamie:

He normally pops up in, like, a second.

Scott:

Right. This took a little longer?

Jamie:

He he got up, but he, like, he kinda, like... I didn't even see it because the pillar was in the way. So I I was kinda leaning around and a couple of dads in front me, so I really couldn't see it. But he he, like, sat on his knees for, like, a couple... Like, a second or

Scott:

two Right.

Jamie:

Which is not like him.

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

You know what I mean? He got up, but he told me he told me the day the day after, actually. He's like, guy... He's like, you know, he's a guy who's like... I was, like, super dizzy for, like, a good five minutes.

Jamie:

Yeah. Yeah. No concussion, though. Right. You know, I was asking him last night, do have any, like, concussion symptoms?

Jamie:

He's like, no. I didn't. I wasn't. He's like, I was fine. He's like, bud...

Jamie:

He's like he's like he's, like, going head first in the boards. He said he went, like, head slash head slash left shoulder into the boards.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

Yeah. But it was scary.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

When I saw the replay on Live Barn Yeah. It scared the shit out

Scott:

of me. Let me ask you a question.

Jamie:

And the kid put... The kid that pushed him from behind

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

Was in the box, like

Scott:

A bunch of times. Yeah. Yeah. So... Yeah.

Jamie:

Yeah. There was coaches on that team were dog shit.

Scott:

They were.

Jamie:

100%. Yeah. Total dog shit.

Scott:

Because that they

Jamie:

said that they're learning comes from.

Scott:

They're learning

Jamie:

from that. The fish rots from the head down.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

Like, if... I would never let my fucking child play for a a

Scott:

A coach like that. No fucking way. Yeah. There... We've played some teams where it's the same

Jamie:

exact way. Right. It's... You're you're you're teaching the kids to be schmucks.

Scott:

And then when you And

Jamie:

I blame I blame the coaches. I blame the adults. I... Unfortunately, some of the parents are also to blame.

Scott:

Absolutely.

Jamie:

Because, like, I don't mind you playing hard. I am all for you playing hard. I don't even mind you throwing elbows when you check. I don't even mind that. No problem.

Jamie:

Because the guys... The kids have, you know, head protection. But when you hit somebody when they're not looking at you Yeah. When they don't have the hockey puck, that's not okay.

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

You know what mean? Or when you push somebody head first into the boards. And listen, the kid apologized to Dominic at... When Dominic got up

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

But that could have ended in a scary way Well, listen any kid, not just my kid.

Scott:

Apparently, that kid that, like, took a baseball bat swing to the other kid's head, you've seen that viral video.

Jamie:

That was frightening too.

Scott:

Also when apparently apologized. I was listening to Chiclets.

Jamie:

That was frightening too.

Scott:

And so Ryan Ryan Whitney's nephew actually plays on that team. It was the South Shore's Kings, like, 2015 team.

Jamie:

Wait. So the kid that did that was the South Shore Kings kid?

Scott:

Yes. Against the base day breakers.

Jamie:

They're fifteens.

Scott:

They're fifteens.

Jamie:

So they're, like, 10?

Scott:

They're, like, 10. Okay. Eleven, ten, 11.

Jamie:

Right. Right. Right. So they're squirts.

Scott:

Yeah. Second year squirts.

Jamie:

Yeah. Yeah. No. I've... We've all...

Jamie:

I'm sure we've all seen that video of the kid baseball batting.

Scott:

No. Year they're first year pewies.

Jamie:

Oh, okay.

Scott:

They're first... Sorry. They're first year pewies because Otto's a first year... Second year pewie.

Jamie:

Oh, okay. Yeah. And he's a 14. Right. Okay.

Jamie:

See, you're right. So they are first year pewies. Okay. Yeah. I mean, listen.

Jamie:

You know, listen. I I don't even know what you do to a kid like that.

Scott:

When they do something like that?

Jamie:

Yeah. I mean, like, you know, our our kid was supposed to get our kid was supposed to get suspended for thirty days for calling kid... For calling a player and their kid a retarded.

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

Like Like if you're gonna send somebody thirty days for for that

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

What do you do for taking a baseball bat swing to somebody's head when they're not even looking at you?

Scott:

Great question.

Jamie:

What what is the what is the consequence there?

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

Do you, like, throw the kid out for the season?

Scott:

Maybe. Yes.

Jamie:

I mean, that's like... Listen. Like, I don't know the kid or the parents, but that's like... It... I mean, how do you not call that, like, intent to injure?

Scott:

Absolutely.

Jamie:

With, like, a weapon.

Scott:

Absolutely.

Jamie:

I mean, is that... Am I am I looking at this wrong?

Scott:

If that kid if that kid doesn't play another game this season, I would be okay with that.

Jamie:

I would too, by the way. I don't think a shit... If... I have to tell you, if I was that kid's parent Yeah. I wouldn't let my kid play for the rest of

Scott:

the You're you're now taking piano lessons, buddy.

Jamie:

Yeah, dude. You're doing something else. You're playing checkers or like... Right. Or like, you're do...

Jamie:

Or you're cutting the grass with scissors.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

You're cutting the grass with the red... The yellow handled scissor rods from Howie's hockey.

Intro:

A 100%.

Jamie:

That's you're doing in my house. Yep. Because you're not playing fucking hockey the rest

Intro:

the year. No way.

Scott:

That was a

Jamie:

because that's a privilege, and you just showed me that you're not ready for that.

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

Right?

Scott:

Absolutely.

Jamie:

I mean, that's... Yeah. I gotta tell you. It's it's a shame that there are shitty parents and shitty coaches in this game. Because it teaches the kids...

Jamie:

And I don't blame the kids. I blame the parents. I blame the coaches because the kids don't know any better. They should, but they don't.

Scott:

I mean, let's not... Let... Let's give the kids a little bit more credit. You're telling me that kid, if you had asked him before that game if it was okay to swing your stick like a baseball bat and hit another kid in the head, like, the kid's gonna be like, oh, I'm not really sure if that's okay or not. Come on.

Jamie:

I have to tell you. I... You know if your kid cannot control himself. Oh, okay. You know that.

Jamie:

You do. Right?

Scott:

I mean Listen.

Jamie:

Of course, the kid needs some... Of course, there's some responsibility that lays on the child. No question about it. But where do you think that comes from?

Scott:

I mean, look. I I I know where you're driving at, and I'm not in disagreement. And a lot

Jamie:

of sense job to teach the child and raise them the right way.

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

I can tell you that Dominic will never swing his stick at somebody's head like that. I guarantee he will never.

Scott:

Okay. At this point at this point, now

Jamie:

If he does, he's never playing hockey yet. No. No. I... Listen.

Jamie:

I understand.

Scott:

I guess the only thing I'm I'm really

Jamie:

trying This is not young blood. No. Oh my god. Rocky. Exactly.

Scott:

That man is fucking an animal.

Jamie:

He's an animal.

Scott:

Yeah. Kiano.

Jamie:

Yeah. That was... Yeah. Anyway, but... Yeah.

Jamie:

But... Alright. So so let's talk about this for for a second. What do you do?

Scott:

Who? Who am who am I in that

Jamie:

You're the parent. What do you do?

Scott:

With my kid who just swung Yep. A stick.

Jamie:

Yep.

Scott:

Well, besides the obvious, like, making sure he goes and apologizes to the kid. Sure. Then you apologize to your team.

Jamie:

Right.

Scott:

And then you go to anger management, and then you start therapy, and you don't get to play

Jamie:

You put him in a straight jacket.

Scott:

No. In a rubber room. No. No. But, like, in all seriousness, like, I...

Scott:

You need you need that... You need... I... You need more context about the kid. Right?

Scott:

Like, if this behavior with a kid who does similar crazy stuff at school where there's, like, outbursts and stuff like that, you know, you deal with it one way. If this if this kid is generally a mild mannered kid, he doesn't have any, like, blemishes on his quote unquote record.

Jamie:

Just kinda snapped out either?

Scott:

I don't know. I I have no idea. I'm just saying it's possible that this is the first time his wires got severely crossed and he went mental.

Jamie:

It is possible. It's unlikely.

Scott:

Well, whatever the probability is, I'm just saying, like, you're asking how you deal with it.

Jamie:

If it

Scott:

was my kid, it would have to... It would depend on... But if my kid's, like, a sort... Like, this is reoccurring theme, a pattern of behavior that my kid's got a problem. Yep.

Scott:

I'm pulling him out of hockey and because it's clear that he can't control himself and I don't want someone else to get hurt. Like, forget my kid getting suspended from a team. I don't want another child getting hurt. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Scott:

So like Yeah. You can park it until you can get your shit under control and try to figure out like what's the root cause here. What's the root cause and what can I do as a parent differently to help you not be as psycho as you just demonstrated?

Jamie:

Fair. My kid would not be able to leave the house for a year and half.

Scott:

Well, then he might go psycho on you.

Jamie:

Maybe. It's possible. It's possible. But at least it wouldn't hurt somebody else.

Scott:

I guess.

Jamie:

So I I will say this. What I what I have noticed

Scott:

Yes.

Jamie:

Okay? And so Dominic is now in his second year of hitting.

Intro:

Mhmm.

Jamie:

Okay? What I have noticed is that 14 year old boys

Scott:

Mhmm.

Jamie:

And you see it almost every game when they get hit by somebody. And almost like... I don't wanna say embarrassed. Right? Like, knocked over.

Jamie:

Whatever it is. Right? When they get embarrassed by somebody or or when they get hit and knocked over, maybe they feel embarrassed. Not all of them, but a large handful of them make a beeline for that kid.

Scott:

Mhmm.

Jamie:

It happens. I saw it all weekend long. Yeah. The emotions

Scott:

Get the better of them.

Jamie:

Get the better of them, and they go after that kid because they almost wanna get him back. Yep. Right?

Scott:

A 100%.

Jamie:

He he he embarrassed them or whatever he did. Right? However they take it. Right? I saw...

Jamie:

Matter of fact, the kid that hit Dominic, like, the kid that hit Dominic when he wasn't looking at

Scott:

him Yeah.

Jamie:

And the puck was nowhere around. Like, Dom said to me, he's like, yeah. He's like, I I got him earlier. He's like, I hit I hit him earlier.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

So he

Scott:

That might have been a retaliation.

Jamie:

There was a retaliation.

Scott:

Correct. Yes. Well, that that happens... That... That's...

Scott:

Yeah. That happens.

Jamie:

Are are you surprised that the, so the the so the the game that we're playing where Dominic went head versus the boards, they also they also pushed the referee, like, crosscheck the referee.

Scott:

Yeah. That's next level.

Jamie:

I mean, like, I've never seen that before. The ref was... So our kids, one kid got his clock cleaned in front of net after a whistle. I mean, like, drilled by two

Scott:

your team at the other

Jamie:

No. They they they drilled one of our kids, cross checked them. He went down after a whistle in front of the net. Then then one of our other kids skate over. The goalie punches him in the back of the head.

Jamie:

No penalty for either one of those, by the way.

Scott:

Wow.

Jamie:

Okay. Then then another... The ref goes over. You see the ref skating over.

Scott:

Go over blocker, by the way.

Jamie:

I'm not sure.

Scott:

Must have been glove. I'm assuming glove.

Jamie:

I think the blocker hurts more.

Scott:

Yeah. Well, you don't have to drop your stick.

Jamie:

Yeah. I'm not sure, actually. The ref skates over, and and you see kids coming from the side, and the ref is going like this to get them to get away. Yeah. Right?

Jamie:

And the kid falls over, and another kid then pushes the ref from behind.

Scott:

Because the ref knocked his teammate over? Yeah. Yo. You take no prisoners

Jamie:

by the end of the

Scott:

that expression goes.

Jamie:

And then and then the ref throws the kid out the game, and the coach goes, you pushed him first.

Scott:

That's crazy.

Jamie:

I'm like, dude, are you out of your mind right now? Like, what are you teaching your children? Like, no wonder you can't control them on the ice. Where is this team from? Rochester.

Scott:

Rochester, New York. Yes. Wow. I

Jamie:

heard it's lovely that time of year.

Scott:

Yeah. I don't know. I haven't been there this time. Yes,

Jamie:

I have.

Scott:

Yeah. I've been up... What am I talking about? That's where, Isn't that where Bishop Carney is?

Jamie:

I hear it's lovely there this time of year.

Scott:

Isn't that where Bishop Carney is?

Jamie:

Maybe.

Scott:

Up in Rochester?

Jamie:

I think you're right.

Scott:

Yeah. I think BK's a big. Yeah.

Jamie:

Yeah. But Like Tim Horton's rink or something? And, again, it's not the organization. It's the coach. Because I I know.

Jamie:

Think that comes... I have to tell you, like, the parents were very quiet.

Scott:

After that.

Jamie:

Or They were quiet. Were quiet.

Scott:

Yeah. Because they they saw the wrongs of their children's

Jamie:

sure, or they're used to it. I can't tell.

Scott:

Oh, that would be hard. I I would have a hard time watching a coach be so

Jamie:

Yeah.

Scott:

Yeah. That wouldn't be okay.

Jamie:

But I tell you, it's some

Scott:

I I would consider shopping for a new team if that was an option.

Jamie:

Some of the stuff I saw this weekend was pretty egregious. I don't mind hard play. I like hard play. Like, I want you to clean my kid's clock. If he's in a position where you can hit him, have at it.

Jamie:

Right. That's the game. Yeah. You know? And he needs to deal with whatever it is.

Jamie:

Right? He'll

Scott:

get Get your head up, make a better decision.

Jamie:

Whatever it is. Right? But, like, it gets... And and and I I also think that parents get very emotional. Like, when you...

Jamie:

When you're when

Scott:

When it has to do with their kid or when it has to do with, like, physicality? Both. Yeah. Sure.

Jamie:

Both. And they have to get used to it. Yeah. Because you can't scream and yell every time somebody gets hit. Right?

Jamie:

No. Definitely not. You know, because I have to tell you, because, like, you and I have talked about this before on this podcast, the parents wind the kids up from the stands.

Scott:

That that happens for sure. You can see it. Yeah. But you said this... These fans were quiet.

Jamie:

Their fans were quiet. Yeah. I didn't hear them.

Scott:

They didn't need any extra winding up.

Jamie:

They were wowing. Didn't hear... Our our parents were going bananas because the... Because of what was happening to our... To the kids.

Scott:

And, yeah, when player safety becomes an issue

Intro:

Yeah.

Scott:

Like, a 100%, I get it.

Jamie:

And, again, and I kinda blame the refs all weekend long because I don't... Again, I don't mind letting them play, but there's a fine line between letting them play and, like, not calling things that are, like, egregious.

Scott:

Well, we're also talking about youth hockey, and you're asking perhaps, you know, do... They're

Jamie:

It's a big ask.

Scott:

To to to be able to, like, to walk that fine line well as, like, a youth hockey referee. I think that's a... Like you said, that's a big

Jamie:

ask. It is a big ask. Yeah. Yeah. And and and I will I will give the one ref credit in the second game.

Jamie:

When when the... When our kid got his clock cleaned in front of the net, and the kid wound up pushing the ref from the other team, he threw that kid out, but he also took our player that got his clock cleaned. Yeah. And his dad was like, dude, why are you taking him? He's...

Jamie:

The gun is ass knocked over. Yeah. Like, did nothing. Literally zero,

Scott:

Scott. So why are giving the ref credit?

Jamie:

Because I think he's... He was trying to do one and one. He was trying to calm the game down. He was trying.

Scott:

You don't penalize a

Jamie:

I know. That I don't disagree. I I don't disagree with you, but he was trying to calm the game down.

Scott:

But you calm the game down by penalizing the

Jamie:

Apparently. So the the girl in the scorer's box... So we had a dad in the in the penalty box opening and closing the door. Yeah. So in our team, the dad whose goalie is not playing

Scott:

Does the penalty box.

Jamie:

The penalty box.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

Okay? So, because they want something in the penalty box that doesn't

Scott:

Oh, he's on the other side of the ice too.

Jamie:

Who's on the other side of the ice. Correct. Yes. So, so the scorers box was in between the two penalty boxes. Mhmm.

Jamie:

Right? And apparently, the girl in that box was telling him that, like, she's like, this team has been awful all weekend

Scott:

long. Really?

Jamie:

It's a pattern.

Scott:

Yeah. It's not that surprising. It's a pattern. Yeah.

Jamie:

Yeah. And, I blame the coach, and then secondarily, I blame the parents. Not all of them. Not all of

Scott:

them. Right.

Jamie:

I'm not... Don't wanna say that, you know, you know, that everybody fits in the same shape. Right? They don't. But but, you know, you need to teach your kid to be...

Jamie:

To... You know?

Scott:

To play the right way. Correct. And be a sportsman and Correct. Like, let things... Learn to let things roll off your back and just play the game.

Jamie:

Correct.

Scott:

Don't... Yeah. Yeah. You know, that... Listen.

Scott:

We're all gonna cross those kind of games, you know, at all different ages. Otto this weekend, we were up in Utica. We didn't have anything on Saturday. We were just up on Sunday.

Jamie:

Right.

Scott:

Oh, you know what? Go ahead. You wanna just... I'll I'll pause on that. How did you guys finish up for the weekend?

Jamie:

We did good. It it was good. Yeah. We finished up three and two. We lost to two very good hockey teams.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

Very, very good hockey teams.

Scott:

So you're not... It wasn't, a function of, like, referees or, like, bullshit calls. You got beat by better teams.

Jamie:

We got beat by better teams. Yeah. And we and we actually hung with them nicely, have to tell you. So so so I... So no no problems there at all.

Jamie:

You know what I mean? They they were they were legit they were legit hockey teams. What I did find out, though, is pretty interesting. So you may find this... And I'm gonna ask you I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you a trivia question.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

Okay? So number one, so football is the number one driver of revenue to that region. Right? College football.

Scott:

Football. To South Bend, Indiana.

Jamie:

Yeah. To this... To that area. Right? To the camps and the surrounding economic area.

Jamie:

So how much money do you think comes into the area for a football game? If you had to guess, what what do you think one football game? One football Saturday. What do you think economically that means to the area? I'm cure...

Jamie:

And and you can guess at home too for those of you that are listening. So What what number do you think it

Scott:

is? I've never really thought about this stuff too much, except I did talk to

Jamie:

someone reason why I'm asking you.

Scott:

Yes. There's a... There was a weekend or or a time when I was talking to someone about soccer, and they were saying, I think it was, like... And this was some years ago now, that Real Madrid

Jamie:

Mhmm.

Scott:

At the Bernabeu. No.

Jamie:

Oh, did I ask you this already?

Scott:

No. The Bernabeu is where, I do know the answer.

Jamie:

Oh, fuck. I already

Scott:

asked you. I was just gonna say the, the Bernabeu is where

Jamie:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I

Scott:

forgot. That's where Real Madrid is. The Camp No... Camp No is where

Jamie:

Okay. Oh, see. That's right. You know the answer to this.

Scott:

But... No. So so

Jamie:

I forgot I told you.

Scott:

Because... So...

Jamie:

But Shit.

Scott:

So that was, like, a 100

Jamie:

Just not as much fun though.

Scott:

A $100,000,000 per game at the A Real Madrid game. A Real Madrid game.

Jamie:

Brings to the area.

Scott:

No. Just to the stadium, I think.

Jamie:

Just the stadium.

Scott:

Just the stadium. That's a 100,000,000. Just the stadium? I believe that's what this

Jamie:

Are you sure?

Scott:

I could be wrong.

Jamie:

I'm telling sounds too

Scott:

high. I... That's what I thought too.

Jamie:

How many people fit in that stadium? A lot. Notre Dame is 80. It's probably comparable. I think that's too high.

Jamie:

That number doesn't sound right.

Scott:

Okay. It doesn't But maybe I

Jamie:

want that that might For the area, I'm not surprised.

Scott:

Okay. Well, either way. So that... That's a

Jamie:

100%. Per per game. That's... That sounds that sounds fucking high.

Scott:

It sounds high. I know. I could be wrong. I'm not saying I'm right.

Jamie:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Scott:

Yeah. That's the only the only other time I I, like, had a conversation similar to this.

Jamie:

Something like that.

Scott:

Okay. So, obviously, less than that.

Jamie:

Alright. So so since you already know the answer, I mean

Scott:

Which I do.

Jamie:

I mean, I... Because I forgot I told you, so this is not as much fun. For those of you at home, so the... So one Notre Dame one Notre Dame Saturday football game

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

Brings $28,000,000 to the surrounding area.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

Okay? It's the largest driver of revenue to the area. Okay. The second largest driver of revenue to the area in Notre Dame South Bend

Scott:

Mhmm.

Jamie:

Okay, is youth hockey tournaments that take place at Notre Dame.

Scott:

Wow.

Jamie:

Drives $20,000,000 a year to the area

Scott:

economically. Wow.

Jamie:

Big number.

Scott:

That's a big number.

Jamie:

Yeah. It's a big destination for hockey tournaments, for travel hockey tournaments.

Scott:

Well, tell... Well, it sounds like a pain in the ass to get there. You can only imagine what other ones do that are not such a pain in the ass to get to.

Jamie:

Yes. Logistically, it's not easy.

Scott:

Let me ask you a question. If you had... If you if you could... Next season, you're faced with doing this one

Jamie:

Yeah.

Scott:

Or or... No. No. Let's not say this one because you already did it. But another university that's equally as hard and annoying to get to versus a less, you know, I guess, prestigious destination that is not such a ball bus to get to, what would you choose?

Jamie:

So we had the opportunity of of of doing, like, Nashville this year too. Uh-huh. Like, and I think they we I think they picked Notre Dame over

Scott:

it Okay.

Jamie:

Which I think was actually a good call. I would actually go back to this place. You would? I would. I would go back, but I would stay in that embassy suites right on the board...

Jamie:

Right on the edge of campus.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

Right where that little, like... They have, a little... They built, like, a little city. It's got, like, a Starbucks and the bookstore and all these restaurants and Chipotle and, you know, whatever. They...

Jamie:

It's this this row of

Scott:

There's a lot of amenities.

Jamie:

Right on the... Literally right on the... Similar to Princeton, has Nassau Street.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

I forgot what the name of the road is, but it's right there on the other side of the road that borders campus are all these stores, and and there's, like, there's a residential living above it. It's cool. Yeah. I would stay there. Would go back.

Jamie:

I I didn't mind I didn't mind. I didn't mind the travel.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

Was it a headache? Is it annoying to have to drive two hours after you fly to a place? Yes. Sure. You know?

Jamie:

That was annoying. But in hindsight, it really

Scott:

wasn't that bad. The experience was worth it. It wasn't bad. Good.

Jamie:

It really wasn't terrible.

Scott:

Yeah. We were up in, and glad you guys did well. Yeah. Was fun. Sounds promising.

Jamie:

It was fun. Yeah. I reckon I reckon if you guys ever... If anybody has a chance to go, I recommend it.

Scott:

Was fun. Was fun. Jamie recommended. Yeah. Was fun.

Scott:

Go. Nice hat.

Jamie:

Thank you. Appreciate it. Yeah. Like that?

Scott:

Yeah. Fighting Irish. Irish hockey hockey stick.

Jamie:

I thought so too. Totally. There you go.

Scott:

So, yeah, we're up in Utica on Sunday. We're have the games on Saturday. The

Jamie:

Nexus Center.

Scott:

The Nexus Center. Great facility.

Jamie:

This is great.

Scott:

Although, I will say that the restaurant that was there, like, picked up and left.

Jamie:

There's beer garden up there is gone. I didn't

Scott:

even know what it was called.

Jamie:

I don't remember what's called, but it was like...

Scott:

I think they not there.

Jamie:

They made their own beer, if I'm not mistaken. Like, that was a cool place.

Scott:

They don't do shit in there anymore. Oh, there... Did... Think there's a there's a bar there. Didn't even walk over there, but all the all the tables were empty.

Jamie:

No one was eating. I'm surprised. Yeah. No. Wonder why.

Scott:

That was annoying. So we we walked to go get pizza in between games. We had two games. We lost to the same... That team twice when they came down to us, like, two weekends ago or whatever it was.

Scott:

Right. Hoping for better results this time. Again, we played them close in both games, which was better than the first time. We ended up losing both, but I will agree that the coach who continues to be positive and optimistic Good. And I don't...

Scott:

I think, you know, a lot a lot of parents would probably agree with me that, you know, while we're not, like, getting those w's just yet, like, there is improvement with... I'm noticing with the positioning. You know, there's still some habits that need to be broken that aren't doing ourselves in our favors. Yeah. You know, we need to do a better job of, like, you know, breaking out of the zone more consistently.

Jamie:

Yeah.

Scott:

Sure.

Intro:

You know,

Scott:

not just throwing the puck up the boards. Sure. And... But you see, like, the patterns that some of the forwards are kinda skating for breakouts,

Jamie:

and I

Scott:

noticed it with Otto in particular who normally take like the half wall immediately. You know, he kinda curled up like as a center would.

Jamie:

Okay.

Scott:

You know, when the puck was down in the corner, which was... I hadn't seen him do like... You know, it just seemed intentional. You know what I mean? It's not like I haven't seen him do something similar.

Scott:

It just seemed like, but in it... So that... So there are examples of the kids getting better. The coach the coach thinks the team's getting better. I would agree with him.

Scott:

Okay. It was it was good. Otto, you know, Otto, he, you know, he he was like, he had his highs and he had his lows.

Jamie:

Sounds typical.

Scott:

It sounds typical. Yeah. Looking for some more consistency, but that'll come with time.

Jamie:

Yeah. I think so. My dad would think so.

Scott:

But, yeah. No. It was Nice. Listen. It was a long trip with tons of rain.

Scott:

We drove up that morning and came back the same night.

Jamie:

You guys got crushed here.

Scott:

Yeah. The the rain wasn't pleasant. It was a long long trip, a long day.

Jamie:

Yeah. Not gonna lie. I'm glad I missed all the rain here, unfortunately.

Scott:

Yeah. You know, but the

Jamie:

Unfortunately.

Scott:

That's so crazy, all this weather stuff. And what do I mean by that? I mean, like, in the winter, I feel like, you know, decision makers are soft with, like, they so they close early if there's, like, a threat of snow. Dude, my daughter's math class that she takes on Saturdays Right. Closed because of rain.

Scott:

I've never heard of it. If like, everything closed early. Like, what I'm Wait.

Jamie:

Your daughter's math class Class on Local.

Scott:

Like Closed because three minutes away from us closed... They they made a decision on Friday not to open on Saturday because of

Intro:

because

Jamie:

of the rain?

Scott:

The rain.

Jamie:

Because of the rain.

Scott:

Her football... Her... The the football games got canceled on Friday

Jamie:

because of rain.

Scott:

Because of what was happening on Saturday, so my daughter didn't have cheer.

Jamie:

Was it massive flooding that I that I was not here for?

Scott:

They were

Jamie:

And I know there was some flooding.

Scott:

Shore, there was like

Jamie:

Well, down the shore is a different story, but up here, there's nothing. Dude. So why would they cancel that? Because of rain?

Scott:

But that's what I'm saying. It's like even in the wintertime pussy disease. I... That... That's that's more or less is what I'm saying.

Jamie:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Scott:

More or less what I'm saying.

Jamie:

A math class? You're indoors. I know. Are they worried about people not being able to get to you?

Scott:

I don't know.

Jamie:

Can I tell you? Can I just tell you? I I remember, like... I remember... Do you remember that massive hockey...

Jamie:

The mass... The massive hockey storm? Remember the massive storm a couple years ago in Jersey when, like, when people were, like, stuck overnight in their cars?

Scott:

Yes.

Jamie:

Remember that remember that storm?

Scott:

Yeah. Of course.

Jamie:

I I I'm sure everybody has a story about that.

Scott:

The street by me, there was a small bridge Yeah. That went over a brook or a stream that was down... Like, it collapsed, and it was closed for, like, over a year. Right. And so traffic was rerouted until they basically had to fix it because it...

Scott:

The... It was at the bottom of, like, the hill, and all the rain came downhill and washed it away.

Jamie:

Right. Alright. So you remember the storm I'm

Scott:

talking about? A 100%.

Jamie:

Right? And and most people do remember because you all... We all have a crazy story. If you're in the Jersey

Scott:

I'm flooding in my basement.

Jamie:

Well, no. I'm not talking about rain. I'm talking about snow.

Scott:

Oh, then I'm not thinking of

Jamie:

the same thing. You were not talking

Scott:

about Sorry.

Jamie:

Do you remember do you remember this... Now you were living in the city, so you may not have experienced it like we did out here in in New Jersey because we all were driving cars. Whereas you probably didn't have to drive a car. It was about seven years ago. Dominic Yeah.

Jamie:

Was was year. Dominic was a mite at the avalanche.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

Okay? And we had a ridiculous snowstorm Okay. Where I don't think they thought the snowstorm was gonna be anything, so they didn't, like, prime the roads before. Right? And I remember and I remember that that Dominic had had avalanche practice that night.

Jamie:

K? May... Maybe we were we were probably... He was probably, like, seven. It was, like, not his last year might, but, like, just before it.

Jamie:

So so I remember I remember leaving... I I remember I... I'm like, you know what? I'm like, I'm gonna leave work. I was I was about an hour...

Jamie:

Forty five minutes from home. So I remember I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna leave work at, like, 01:30. Yeah. Right?

Jamie:

So I... And and I'm telling this story because hockey rinks never close for for for, like, weather. Right? So so, I leave work, and and I'm like, alright. I'm like, I'll take my time getting home, and then, you know, and then I'll be I'll be ready I'll be ready to grab Dom and bring him to practice.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

And I I drive a a Jeep Rubicon. Right? So my my thing can get through anything. I never have issues in, like, snow, rain, anything. Okay?

Jamie:

So I get on the road at, like, I don't know, call it 01:30, whatever time I left. And Dom probably had practice at, like, call it, like, six, 05:30, six, something like that. I pulled into my driveway at, like, seven. Like

Scott:

After how long was it?

Jamie:

It was, like, a forty five minute drive.

Scott:

Wow.

Jamie:

I pulled into my driveway at seven. It... I... You don't remember it, but, like, they closed... They started closing roads.

Jamie:

Like, people started trying to leave midday because the road... And the roads were bad, and it was making it worse. And I know people that slept in their cars. I know people that slept at work.

Scott:

Jesus.

Jamie:

I mean, I know... I had a buddy of mine leave leave... He left the office at, like, 07:00 thinking that he would be able to get home. He literally at midnight... He...

Jamie:

Seven to midnight was, like, four blocks from our office. Yeah. He's turned around and went to, like, his buddy's house. He was, like Yeah. A couple blocks away.

Scott:

That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But

Jamie:

My point is that hockey never, like, hockey never closes for practice or games other than, like, major, major storms like that.

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

So my point is is that I'm not sure why your daughter's why your daughter's, like, mathletes program closed

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

For, like, rain.

Scott:

Anyway, it seems to be happening more often in, like, in... With the school and the snowstorms. It's like, oh, half an inch is expected maybe tomorrow. Oh, time to close school. It's like, give me a break.

Jamie:

Dude, what? Ridiculous. I mean, I literally I I literally waited in the car for, like, six hours to try to get him to practice. And and if if if if he had practice and I I was gonna try to take him.

Scott:

Yeah. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Because that's what

Jamie:

you do.

Scott:

Right. Well, not everyone. Not everyone is right. At all. Unfortunately.

Scott:

But anyhow, so in any event, we should, we should, talk about our guests for today's episode real quick and, like, kick it over to him. You wanna... You know him much better than I do.

Jamie:

Yeah. So so we have Bill Parisi, the founder of the Parisi Speed School and the Parisi Academy, where my child goes to school. So for those of you who have a Parisi Speed School around you, because there's a ton of them around The US and even some overseas, Bill Parisi has been doing this for a very long time. He's been training athletes. He has over, like, a million athletes trained throughout all of his speed schools.

Jamie:

Wow. He's worked with the NFL, the NHL. I mean, colleges, Penn State, Rutgers. I mean, he's

Scott:

The list goes on.

Jamie:

I was gonna say, I almost can't name them all. Right? He's been doing this for a very long time. He is a very educated gentleman in hitting the space. Yep.

Jamie:

Was very impressive listening to him talk about, you know, the human body and and and sports training. You guys will get a lot out of this. It was very impressive. Yeah. I see why he's such a a successful man because, I mean, knows how to train athletes.

Scott:

Yeah. And and he... Even still very relevant. I know that Oh, yeah. He was, you know, he talks regularly with, Guerrero, Brady, Tom Brady's

Jamie:

Yeah.

Scott:

Personal trainer Yeah. Former per... Whatever that guy is. So, like, you know, he's not only around doing it for a long time. He's still, like, at the top.

Scott:

You know?

Jamie:

Yeah. NFL guys still come back to his flagship facility, which is where Dom goes to school Yeah. In the off season to train.

Scott:

Yeah. It's awesome.

Jamie:

There... It's it's no joke. I mean, it's the real deal. So if you guys have a Parisi speed school around you and you're in The US or overseas, I know he's got a couple locations overseas, you should look into it because he he he knows how to build athletes. Yeah.

Jamie:

He's a he's a very, very... He put together a very impressive program.

Scott:

Yeah. Well, it was a great interview. Great. Thank you for for getting him on.

Jamie:

Yeah. He he was great. I'm glad he decided to do it. Yeah. He was fantastic.

Scott:

And also give all of our listeners a little, like, context into, you know, I guess, like, more general purpose athletic training Mhmm. Not just, like, hockey specific training. Athlete training. Athlete training, which is, you know, the same but different.

Jamie:

The same but different. Yeah. You... Listen. No matter what sport your child plays, you need a foundation.

Scott:

You need fun. Yeah.

Jamie:

And that's what he's talking about, building a foundation, and then you build the skills on top of that.

Scott:

Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Alright. Well, let's, you wanna kick it over to him?

Jamie:

Yeah. Everybody enjoy our interview with Bill Parisi from Parisi Speed School.

Scott:

Let's go.

Jamie:

Alright, everybody. We are back with our next interview, and we are privileged to have Bill Parisi, founder of the Parisi Speed School and Parisi Academy. They train strength, agility, speed for youth athletes of all sports. Bill, thanks so much for jumping on with us today.

Intro:

My pleasure, Jamie. Excited to be on with you guys.

Jamie:

Yeah. So so normally, we have the Sparks skate sharpening first question since you're you're not a hockey guy, but you train hockey players, you know, so kinda tell us, you know, kind of about, like, what you're doing now, and then we'll kinda roll into some training stuff.

Intro:

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, now I'm obviously in the business of training and developing coaches to be... Become, you know, higher level sports performance coaches. Injury resiliency, speed development, power development is is our specialty.

Intro:

So we we create content. We have a number of different certification paths that we we have coaches go through all on our platform, and we've been doing it now for over thirty five years or just at thirty five years. Wow. And that really continue to refine our systems to help make coaches better coaches in the area of sports performance, injury resiliency, speed, power development is is our main focus.

Jamie:

Right. So talk about the Parisi Speed School. You started at what? '93. Does that sound right?

Intro:

Yep. Yep. I incorporated the business in '92 out of a van, you know, in my in my parents' basement, you know, driving around parks and schools. And then in '93, opened up our first facility in Wyckoff. Yeah.

Intro:

And that was a small... About a 2,500 square foot facility, and that that became very successful. By '98, we opened the second facility in Midland Park, one mile down the road. That was about 15,000 square feet. And then in 2001, we opened up our flagship Fairlawn facility, and now it's, you know, over 25 years old and still running strong with our new partners there with Alliance...

Intro:

Orthopedics Alliance Performance. So... Yeah. And then subsequently got into the licensing business and affiliate model, and now we we sell our programming, our education, our brand to facilities that wanna add this component to their business in terms of the component of training athletes to become better athletes, you know, from a physicality standpoint.

Jamie:

Right. And and tell tell your story as a as a youth athlete because you have a pretty impressive story that I've heard a couple times, you know, already said, but it's a fantastic story for our listeners that don't know it.

Intro:

Yeah. Yeah. No. I started out as an undersized athlete at Richfield Park High School here in in Bergen County, and played football. And, you know, coach said go out for track freshman year after freshman season was over to get faster for football.

Intro:

I went out for track, tried all the events. The coach was smart enough to have us try all the events. I was pretty good at the javelin throw, so I went through high school playing football and throwing the javelin. By my senior year, I was pretty good at football as the team captain and VP as a offensive guard and linebacker, and we went to the state playoffs when they only invited four teams

Scott:

Right.

Intro:

To playoffs back then. We we, you know, had a solid team, but I wasn't big enough or really fast enough to play d one. I really wanted to play d one, but Javelin offered me the opportunity to go d one because I was a, you know, ranked thrower in high school. Was a top 10 thrower in the country. My senior year got invited to a...

Intro:

To the junior national meet... Junior Olympics and came in third place by two inches. I missed it. Yeah. I missed the team by two inches.

Intro:

And that set me on a path, you know, that at 18, set me on this path to learn everything I can about human performance and to become a better javelin thrower. And what's interesting about the javelin, you know, I went on to Iona University in New Rochelle. We have a division one track team and competed there for four years. Actually, five years. I actually red shirted my first year because I was really young.

Intro:

I graduated high school at 17 years old. Jeez. I was really young, so I actually did a redshirt year. But went on to become a division one all American for two years, went to the Olympic trials, competed in Europe. But throughout college, I I was on this quest and was still on this quest to learn everything I can about human performance.

Intro:

And the javelin is really unique because when you look at a lot of biomechanics books, if you a... If you major in exercise science, you know, you'll get biomechanics books, and javelin is usually an example they use to educate students on biomechanics. And why do they use the javelin? Because it's one of the most unique events where you use linear speed. So sprinting speed is important for javelin because you have this 30 meter run up.

Intro:

You know, you're running for 30 meters. Oh, you have 35 you have 35 yards or so, 33 yards. And then all of a sudden, you're taking this this speed. It... It's not a jog.

Intro:

It... You're sprinting, you're accelerating, and you have to stop yourself. So you need speed, you need strength, you need flexibility, and you need to manage ground reaction force. Meaning, the ground reaction force of that linear speed begins at the left leg plant. If I'm a right handed thrower, you're planting your left leg aggressively and literally trying to trip yourself, stop yourself, like you're running into your left leg like pole...

Intro:

Like a pole vaulter Yeah. Runs as fast as they can with a pole vault, and they plant the pole vault inside the pit, that's your that's your left leg. Jesus. They're transferring all this ground reaction force through your body like a bow in a bow and arrow or the pole vault. Well, the pole in the pole vault and transferring this force from your foot all the way through your body into your hand.

Intro:

So the event in... The the event at a high level, if you're throwing over say 75 yards, you know, which I did. Right? I threw about 75 yards. Or actually, 80 yards.

Intro:

I like... I threw close to 80 yards. If you're throwing, you know, over 70 yards, you... Or even 60 yards, you're considered fairly high level on the national class. And world class, you gotta be over eighty, eighty five yards.

Intro:

But anyway, we've been throwing at that level. It takes a lot of athleticism to do that. And I've identified that athleticism of speed, power, transferability of reaction force relates to all sports, all field and court sports. So what I did to train myself as a five foot ten thrower, because most high level throwers are six three, six four, Norwegians, you know, Thins, Swedes, Germans.

Jamie:

Right.

Intro:

I had to gain a lot of speed and power. And all these physical attributes that I trained for, you know, Olympic lifting, squatting, sprinting, plyometrics, all these things, I've realized, wow, every athlete needs this. If I can... Know, medicine ball throwing, like omnidirectional strength. I...

Intro:

I've I've made myself into a division one all American, right, in in throwing a javelin. And I said, can maybe help other athletes improve athleticism because the transferability of the exercises and the training I was doing was highly correlated to helping athletes become faster, quicker, and more explosive, and highly correlated to fielding court sports. So I took my own personal experience, my eight years of very dialed in training, really more like ten years of very dialed in training, and started to share with others. And what was interesting as an undergraduate athlete, you know, when I was at Iona University, I was attending strength and conditioning clinics. Like, I attended clinics with strength coaches that I was going to these as...

Intro:

Even though I was a college athlete, was sitting amongst all these college strength coaches and pro strength coaches. That's... In 1989, I met the head strength coach of the New York Giants at the time, his name was Johnny Parker. And he was hosting a clinic with a high level Bulgarian strength coach who just won a bunch of Olympic gold medals. His team, the Bulgarians, won a lot...

Intro:

A bunch of gold medals in the Olympic lifting competitions at the eighty eight Olympics. You know, Olympic snatch, clean and jerk. And I went to this clinic, sat in the front, asked questions. I was, I don't know, 19, 20 years old at the time. And at the end of the clinic, I went up to Johnny, the head strength coach, and was asking questions, asked to go to lunch with him to kind of build a rapport.

Intro:

And I just got back from Finland, because I went to Finland that summer, competed and trained with some of the greatest athletes in the world. Tapios Kuros won the gold medal in the job in 1988, I was training with him, I was working out. I I learned all these techniques about how to become a better thrower. And that's when he asked me if I was to come... Was able to come down and work with Phil Sims.

Intro:

So I actually started trading Phil Sims

Scott:

in

Intro:

1989

Jamie:

That's how the

Intro:

hell came. All MVP. And technically, he was my first client. Because I I formally went down to the stadium probably a half a dozen times that that spring and taught him a bunch of medicine ball drills that he incorporated into his routine. And he eventually...

Intro:

I mean, I'm not taking credit for this, but he did make the Pro Bowl in 1991, and he actually got better and better. Yeah. But I still know Phil, and we're close today. And that was that was kinda cool to kinda bring that type of functional training to him in the eighties, which is really sad to say. Because when we say eighties now, it's like it's like my parent it's like my parents saying like the forties or fifties.

Scott:

Totally. Like crazy. Wow. So so just as as you're thinking back on, like, your journey now, if if you if you could kind of, like, rebuild your athletic development from a younger age, you know, and building up to like your career in the javelin or even football, is there anything that you would have done more of? And is there anything that you would potentially not have done as much of knowing like what you know now?

Intro:

You you know what's interesting? I was very very lucky because I got it right at a young age.

Scott:

Okay.

Intro:

You know, I I I mean, all that I know now, like the training I did, I I wouldn't really change much. I mean, because Interesting. I I lifted the right amount. I didn't overlift. I think today, kids overlift.

Intro:

I think they they they spend too much time in the weight room doing too many of the same things and not Mhmm. Doing enough omnidirectional movements and and speed development and things of that nature. In general. I'm just talking about your typical... Now some kids that might not be true.

Intro:

They need more weight training.

Scott:

Mhmm. But

Intro:

I I I feel... And, again, being a guy, you know, five foot ten, North Jersey Italian, to to compete at that level, the training had to be right. Yeah. You know? And and I think I I pretty much reached my potential as an athlete.

Intro:

Like, I have no regrets. I think, you know, doing what I did, you know, I was a national class thrower. I was a little bit under, you know, world class. But Yeah. You know, for for me, and and ultimately working myself into a full scholarship throwing the javelin, I I kinda feel like I maxed it out, you know?

Intro:

And and that's what gave me the confidence to to build my business because my I didn't realize I was training fascia connected tissue in the javelin, but I was doing that. Now that's a big thing now that I've kinda helped to unpack and pioneer and really connect with. I just did a education series just this past Sunday with Alex Guerrero, Tom Brady's trainer, who's been his guy for, you know, forever. And now Alex runs all the... He's the director of wellness for the the Las Vegas Raiders organization, and he oversees strength and conditioning, athletic trainers.

Intro:

They all report up to him. And him and I have been talking a lot lately about his approach and what he's doing and and why the Raiders, before he got there, were one of one of the worst teams in the league in terms of injury, in terms of days missed, players days missed. They were one of the worst. After one year of Alex's program, the Raiders are in the top three of of of success. Around.

Intro:

Yeah. Least least days missed.

Jamie:

That's right.

Intro:

Yeah. So we did a we did a great, you know, webinar on that with him and unpacked that. The point I'm saying is him and I are along the same philosophy. Right? And ten years ago, he was looked at like this witch doctor.

Intro:

Like, a lot of people in our field was, like, saying, you know, like, what he does with Tom, it's not really applicable for linemen or linebackers and whatnot. I would say 80% of what he does is applicable to all athletes. You know? If not 90 to close to a 100,

Scott:

but Wow.

Intro:

You know? And not not peep... A lot of people in the field didn't understand what he was really doing. So, anyway, the point I'm making is the approach I took as an athlete in the eighties is very similar to what Alex Guerrero has done for Tom Brady and and the Raiders right now.

Scott:

Wow. Right. So let let me maybe just even repackage that that question a little bit because, I mean, that's... I mean, talk about, like, I don't wanna say, like, winning the lottery. That's not the way of putting it.

Scott:

But just to, like, have that right kind of training kind of coming up across it and doing it yourself, it's so so far ahead of, like, you know Yeah. Your time, I guess, is is remarkable. But now, like, after training, you know, it must be... Surely thousands, tens of thousands of athletes, whatever the number might be. Is there anything that, like, has mattered far less than perhaps parents, you know, that...

Scott:

Of the kids that you've trained, like, thought Yeah.

Intro:

And why I got lucky was because of the event. Right? Like, I got lucky, did it right because the javelin, you need to be strong, fast, and powerful, and flexible. You need all those things. Like, flexibility is really important.

Intro:

Right? Speed for me, because I'm short, is really important. The ability to to have power and and strength is important to make that block, like when that left leg hits running full speed. So I got it right because of the event, and all those physical attributes translate. What is the problem in today's athletes, or where are the challenges that lie today?

Intro:

Well, there's a couple things. One, overuse. Right? I think kids are spending a lot of time practicing and playing, and their tissues really aren't ready for it, or they don't have enough recovery for it. That's number one.

Intro:

And one of the things about recovery is manual therapy. So what makes Alex Guerrero and his approach to Tom Brady and the Las Vegas Raiders? What's their secret sauce? Well, they're the only team I know that has 12 sets of hands that every athlete on the Raiders gets manual work before and after every practice.

Jamie:

Wow. When you say manual work, you mean, like, massages, that type of stuff?

Intro:

Yeah. But it's much deeper than massage.

Jamie:

I'm sure.

Intro:

Not pointed tissue work, lymphatic work. It's very specific techniques because it's all about recovery. Longevity and resiliency is knowing how to recover. That is the biz... Biggest miss of all parents and injury today, is not understanding recovery and what's needed for optimal recovery.

Intro:

We are... Kids are overplaying, they're over practicing, and ultimately, in some ways Under recovering. Overtraining. Now now injuries occur for a lot of different reasons, but when you talk about what is what is the biggest takeaway or what what do I see as a challenge, it's it's really understanding the body's recovery process, sleep, hydration, you know, just just the the the the manual therapy, which I talked about, and then the right programming that's gonna create a holistic athlete that's gonna create symmetry in the system. They're gonna create...

Intro:

You know, have balance in their opposing muscle groups and have the right amount of mobility and flexibility and the right amount of strength, and and having these things in balance. Like, we call that tensegrity or biotensegrity. That's a that's a fancy word for this type of object, which is a combination, and tension. The human body is like this tensegrity object. Right?

Intro:

And this is a tensegrity object because it has compression elements, which is this... These wooden struts and tensile elements, which are the rubber bands. None of these compressive elements, the wooden dowels, they... None of them touch one another, and they're held together by elastic bands. Right?

Intro:

Which are the tensile bands. So this is a stable but flexible object. This is called tensegrity. Right? So tension and integrity together combined.

Intro:

So the body is is structured like this. Bones are these wooden struts, and then the tensile elements are the tendons, the ligaments that hold the bones together. And having balance. So if I'm out of balance in one area in the human body, say this area is tight, but it changes the entire structure. So a tight plantar fascia, if you have a tight plantar fascia, say the the the collagenous tissue underneath your foot, which is known as your plantar fascia.

Intro:

If that's tight, that can cause a calf strain, a hamstring pull, or low back pain. Right. Because because a tight plantar fascia changes the whole structure.

Jamie:

What? And throws you off biomechanically.

Intro:

The concept is called tensegrity. Doctor Stephen Levin, who's an orthopedic spine surgeon, coined the word biotensegrity. And this is really advanced stuff that I bring out to the... That I've been bringing out to, you know, the the industry. Right?

Intro:

Like, I've done continued education workshops for Penn State University, University of Oregon, Rutgers University, JMU, University of Tennessee, UConn men's and women's basketball, NHL, NAFL. I've I've done these workshops for all these bodies, all these organizations explaining this concept. It's looking at the human body through a different lens. You know, we looked at the human body more like a a robot, right, with parts, assembled parts, and a machine. The body's more like a plant, not a machine.

Intro:

And if you train the body like a machine, you're gonna get injured. The body is an adaptive organism and changes based on its environment. So the one story I'll give you as an example, the Biosphere two project back in the late nineteen eighties in Oracle, Arizona, they built this three acre greenhouse, which they did a scientific experiment to see if man can live in out of space. And they had eight scientists live in this three acre greenhouse without any outside oxygen or air. They brought in plants.

Intro:

They they created these different environments such as

Jamie:

I remember that.

Intro:

Yeah. Yeah. All these different environments, rainforests, deserts, oceans, all these... They brought in farm animals, and they brought... They grew trees to try to create oxygen, all this stuff.

Intro:

What they identified about a year in, the trees grew really well and quick. They grew... But once they reached about 30 to 40 feet in height, the trees started to tip over. Why the trees tipped over? Because there was no wind inside this greenhouse.

Intro:

There was no wind. That caused the tree not to create any stress wood, and it didn't develop the root foundation system underneath the ground. So the body is more like a plant than a machine. The body needs unpredictable variable stressors that it can self organize and adapt to. If we continue to do predictable training such as squats and deadlifts and lunges, that's all in this one plane of motion.

Intro:

It's called the sagittal plane. Like it's always in this plane, squat, bench, deadlift. I'm in this. I'm moving the same way over and over and over again. The body needs omnidirectional stress, transverse plane, frontal plane, you know, with medicine ball throws.

Intro:

We need to do these different types of activities to create resiliency and also create activities that are unpredictable for the body. That's why I use something called the tidal tank, which is a a bag with water we use. And it's the the instability of that water bag as as a weight causes the body to self organize and figure out how to find stability. So I'm challenging the body with quote unquote wind to create foundation of that rooting system. And this is called dynamic systems theory training, which is I would say not well known in the industry yet, but your higher level coaches...

Intro:

You know, I'm talking about your Olympic level coaches are starting to get their arms around it, but I've... I spent the last ten years really unpacking this new... Not new, but this approach to training.

Jamie:

Right. So with all that said, Bill, so obviously, you know, some families don't have the recovery that, like, the raiders have. Right? So what does a family do recovery wise? Then you can kinda go into, like, what, like, a normal kind of, like, what a youth athlete's training week would look like.

Jamie:

So first, let's touch on the recovery. What could families at home do for their athlete to recover the proper way?

Intro:

Number one, they have to manage sleep and make sleep more important than the practice session, more important than the games. Oh, wow. Like, you've gotta... Like, sleep is the number one way managing sleep, sleep hygiene, taking away electronics at night, being in a dark room, a cold room, 68 degrees, seven... 69 degrees, you know, just managing sleep hygiene.

Intro:

Maybe there's a... Or a ring device to really start to measure sleep or WHOOP. Making sleep a number one priority. Number two, proper hydration. We all talk about that.

Intro:

Making sure we're well hydrated. And then I would say, you know, number three, nutrition. Right? You have to really manage the the sugar intake, the, you know, managing the quality proteins. Those are nonnegotiable.

Intro:

Like, if you're not focusing on these things and you're putting all your eggs in the training basket and all that stuff, you're you're not even close to reaching potential. If you really wanna reach potential, these other things play a big role. Manual therapy would be number four on those as well, but the first three things you can control today immediately. Right? Yeah.

Scott:

And that would... Sorry to interrupt, but just, you know, there's certain things that, know, weight lifting, for example, and, you you know, a lot of people will say, like, you know, after puberty or during... You start during puberty. But, like, as far as, like, the sleep hygiene and the nutrition and and, you know, the recovery aspects that we're talking about, like, there's no age, like, that you could... You know, the youngest of ages could...

Scott:

You know, you could implement that with without Yeah. You know, being concerned you're doing anything, like, wrong. Right? This is this is just generally good stuff.

Intro:

And when you talk about nutrition and sleep and hydration, that's how your body actually recovers. Right. If you're deficient in those areas, you're not gonna maximize recovery. That's a fact. Then the the the next thing is is manual work.

Intro:

Right? Finding a therapist or even even a parent learning some basic techniques, some manual pressure techniques on how to apply certain pressures on the tissue can be a game changer. And it's another way... I mean, I work on my kids all the time. You know?

Intro:

I'm like, I'm not a licensed massage therapist, but I know enough, and I'm I'm allowed to put my hands on my kids. Right? I'm... Know? So for parents to, like, just, you know, do some research and learn some basic basic techniques on how to flush the system with some manual engine.

Intro:

We're just learning how to put some pressure on on the different points of the body could be a game changer. It's another way just to build a really close rapport with your athlete too. You know? You you know, you're their masseuse in a way. Right?

Intro:

Like, you're, like, giving them some work, and you don't have to go crazy, but learning a couple basic techniques. Like, your your muscle's like a sponge. Right? So the muscle sometimes can get fibrotic. It can get densified...

Intro:

Densification. So why tissue gets tight is one of three reasons. Like, why tightness occurs? Like, oh, I feel tight. Right?

Intro:

Like, this is tight. Why do we get tight? One of three reasons. There's nothing else besides these three things. One, fibrosis.

Intro:

The the connective tissue that holds muscle together, which is collagen, that becomes fibrotic and your muscles become stuck. Right? And it's it's it's fibrotic. It becomes too dent... You know, too...

Intro:

The the tissue is not pliable. Right? So if you get to that stage, you probably need more professional work and corrective exercise. That that happens usually after an injury, and if you don't manage it well, that's like the extreme where you get fibrosis. Number two why we get tight is what we call densification.

Intro:

So the muscle tissue is encased in fascia, and it has, you know, fluid. It's, you know, basically water, right, with these molecules that combine and kinda make like a a a syrup type fluid, like, in your body. Right? That's that's part of your muscle. Your muscle's, you know, basically fluid.

Intro:

Right? With collagen and protein. You know? Your your your your... That's what makes up muscle.

Intro:

All these things. Sometimes that fluid becomes densified. It's another... Like like a ketchup bottle. Right?

Intro:

Like, do you do to a ketchup bottle? Ketchup becomes densified. You gotta shake it up. Right? You gotta you gotta decrease the viscosity.

Intro:

So the tissue becomes, like, viscous. It'd be... And areas of the tissue becomes densified, you get globs of of really molecules called hyaluron or hyaluronic acid and proteoglycans. These these molecules clump together, and densification is another reason why we we are tight and stiff. That is broken up with pressure, manual pressure, breaking up that densification.

Intro:

The third reason why we've become tight, because the neurology is always on. Like, when we touch that densification and it's a hot spot, like, oh, wow. That... You know, so, you know, this manual therapist put their thumb into my thigh, and it feels like somebody's sticking a needle in me because that really hurts, and all they're doing is get a look. That is a densification hot spot where the neurology's, like, too hyperactive.

Intro:

So we've gotta now relax the neurology. Also, the neurology tends to guard. What do I mean by that? If I was to lay you on your back and stretch your hamstring and see how far your leg can come up, you might come up to 90 degrees, maybe a little less than 90 degrees, maybe a little bit more. But the reality is, if I put you under anesthesia and you were out cold, I would gain a lot more...

Intro:

I would gain more range of motion. Because now the body's not guarding. The neurology tends to be hyperactive. So we have to... Third thing is calm down the neurology, because the the neurology is a protective mechanism.

Intro:

And when we calm down the neurology, we increase our range of motion, we can increase our power output. So it's managing these three things, fibrosis, densification, and managing the neurology. The densification is a combined of both because that hot spot or that patch of thickness where that syrup becomes more like peanut butter and that area of muscle, the viscosity is like... Becomes more like creamy peanut butter opposed to syrup. That's a densification of tissue and the neurology inside that patch of tissue is hyperactive.

Intro:

It's it's sensitive to touch. It's always turned on, and it and it creates this this tightness like in this area here, which changes the whole dynamic of the system. So knowing how to find those spots and apply a little pressure to break up that densification to to allow the the... To restore the normal compliance or pliability to that tissue. That's everything about Tom Brady.

Intro:

He had unbelievable pliability because the tissue tissue, he didn't allow it to become densified. He didn't allow his neurology to become hyperactive. He was always in a very calm state and state of balance and symmetry, which allowed him to have such great longevity, and that applies to all athletes at any age. Right.

Jamie:

And and I'm curious, how can parents find even the basic, you know, the basics of this? Is there a place where they could go? YouTube, any website. Where where would you send somebody?

Intro:

Yeah. I mean, it's funny because I've been unpacking different techniques. We have a course we're coming out with Delos. It's called Delos Therapy, and we just made a course on... For for massage therapists and physical therapists.

Intro:

We we actually... We do this course for those professionals. But that doesn't mean a parent can't take the course and and learn some of these techniques and, you know, apply it to their kid because all they're doing is just putting some pressure on the kid. Now you don't wanna go too high, but if you follow the rules of the course, you know, it's up to a parent to decide. I mean, listen.

Intro:

I think ultimately, a parent should should always consult with a professional. Right? And and it's always better to get a professional's advice. But Right. But to find a professional therapist, massage therapist that understands this in their area would be would be important.

Jamie:

That's Would be the thing to do. Got it.

Intro:

And and someone... And and the the techniques I'm specifically talking about, like a Delos technique and and, you know, understanding how to manage tissue health. Right? It really comes down to understanding the biological tissue of the human body, not just muscle, but the connective tissue. You know, the stuff that holds the muscle together is called fascia, And and managing that tissue is is really important because that's the tissue that gets injured.

Intro:

You know, when you think of muscle, think of muscle for a second. Think of a steak. Right? Well, a steak, the muscle's pretty clear. It's the red meat.

Intro:

Right? The real tight... Or I should say the real chewy stuff, it's not fat because fat is like bubble gum. It doesn't, you know, when you eat a piece of fat, it's the texture, you know it's fat. Yeah.

Intro:

It's the chewy stuff that you can't really like chew. Right? That's the fascia, the white hard stuff in the steak. That's what gets injured most of the time, not just the muscle. So knowing how to manage that tissue, and that's what gives the muscle its integrity.

Intro:

And you have microscopic fascia within the muscle that actually holds the muscle together because muscle without fascia is chopped meat. Chopped meat isn't held together. The steak still has the fascia. The steak, you can cut a piece of steak down. In between that steak, you really can't see it, but when you cut it, there's microscopic pieces of connective tissue that give the steak its form.

Intro:

In chopped meat, that's all taken out. Like, it's all carved away.

Jamie:

It's all over the place.

Intro:

It's like... Yeah. So it's it's... Because without without fascia, without this white collagenous tissue, your body has no form. Like, your muscles have no form.

Intro:

And when we give massage, people think, oh, massaging the muscle. Yeah, you're massaging the muscle, but the muscle's held together by fascia, and that's the tissue that really what's needed. And it's really one system, it's called the myofascia tissue, muscle, and fascia. But real simply, think of a cell, a muscle cell. It's like a water balloon.

Intro:

Everything inside the water balloon, the muscle fiber, the mitochondria, the nucleus, that's the muscle. Right? Well, water balloon is the fascia.

Jamie:

Right. Holding it together.

Intro:

The water balloon, like everything inside the water, the muscle muscle is a lot of water, right, inside muscle, right, your body. But the water balloon, what gives the cell its form is the water balloon. That's the fascia, and that's usually what gets injured.

Scott:

That's so interesting. Now, just switching gears a little bit, you know, we talk a lot about, you know, kids playing secondary sports, you know, not to get specific or, you know, too specific early on, be a multi sport athlete. You know, also the the com... You know, just the screens and how there's a

Jamie:

lot of

Scott:

less unstructured free play outside. Have you seen over the years a change in the athletes when they walk in the door in terms of, like, their overall athleticism, like, from jump?

Intro:

Yeah. This is a great question. I need I need parents to hone in on this one. Right? Because this is important.

Intro:

One, I'm a big believer in kids trying all sports and playing all sports through eighth grade. Right, and really enjoying themselves and really having fun, fun and and experimenting with all sports. As they get into high school, it depends on the kids' goals. Are they looking at sports just to make friends, be a part of a team, and stay busy and not play in college? I just wanna have the best high school career possible.

Intro:

I I I don't think I really wanna play in college. Okay? Play all sports. That that... If that's the goal.

Intro:

Right? Or play what you want, when you want, and and... Because I wanna be a part of the team. Playing time is not my priority.

Scott:

Mhmm.

Intro:

Right? But being a part of a team and getting the best high school experience and just making friends, play all sports. If my goal is, I wanna... I want playing time. I wanna play varsity.

Intro:

And I I... College is a goal. I don't know if I wanna do it yet, but it's a goal. Some kids might say, yeah. College is a goal.

Intro:

Absolutely. Okay. That's the goal. It really depends what high school you're going to. Because if I'm a really good athlete, and I'm one of the best of my town, if I go to a high level high school, a Don Bosco, a Bernd Catholic, playing three sports and...

Intro:

Or playing two sports, and actually playing is not an easy task. And unless you're a freak, you're not gonna play. You're not gonna get playing time. Unless you're a freak of nature where, you know, you're you know, you're an NFL prospect. Right?

Intro:

Yeah. Some... Like like like, they get some of those guys. Right? But you gotta look at what high school you're going to.

Intro:

Right? Like all these people say, oh, play three sports. Like Seth Curry says, play three sports. Yeah. That's great.

Intro:

You're Seth Curry. Right? Like... Yeah. I mean, don't wanna go to Don Bosco and sit the bench on two sports and try to fight for playing time on the third.

Intro:

Right. Right? Like, I'm an average kid. Like, I have two sons that went to Don Bosco. They basically played one sport.

Intro:

My one son played basketball. And the play of Don Bosco, you know, he worked his way up to be a starter in his senior year. You know? And he worked really hard until Dylan Harper took his spot, you know?

Jamie:

Oh god.

Intro:

Yeah. I mean, because you never know. You can be a starter and now you get this stud freshman come in and Yeah. You know, that... And that's a true story, know.

Intro:

It is what it is. Right? Like, mean, Dylan was on his rise. Right? And it's kinda cool that he was a first round draft pick and now a stud.

Intro:

So that's a great story to tell now. But he still had a great career, and he still got playing time, and still did his thing. My younger son, you know, played football there and, you know, went to be... Graduated as the number one receiver, graduating a senior year with number two team in the state, went to the finals and all. And...

Intro:

But he was locked in. Like, if he... You know, he also did javelin too, and that was like a compliment, so he did two sports by younger guy. But the point I'm trying to say is this to parents. If you go into your local town school and it's a smaller school, it's a group one, group two, smaller school, and your kid is like that...

Intro:

At that level where he can actually play and and get a lot of reps in two sports or three sports, yeah, take advantage of it. Right? But if you're gonna go to a school and you're not, you know, your chances of playing time isn't great to play multiple sports, like, don't wanna play a sport and sit on the bench. Right? I mean, that's that's not that's not good.

Intro:

You know, you wanna you wanna enjoy it, unless you're, you know, your goal isn't, you know, that's not... I don't know what kid though wants to go out for sports at the bench though, and or that's why you need go out. Right? You want... Here's the message to parents.

Intro:

Right? If you want playing time, like three sports is hard unless you're really, really talented. And if you're going to a high level high school, that's not happening unless you're genetically gifted and you're getting tons of offers as a sophomore. Right. You know what

Jamie:

I'm saying?

Intro:

Like, you know, I had never seen anybody play and actually play at these schools, Bosco, Bergen, or any of these schools, multiple sports, and actually play and be a starter. They have... They had multiple offers as a sophomore. Right. Right.

Intro:

Like stunts. Like Right? So the reality is parents, when they talk about that, understand the goals. You know? Understand what's out there.

Intro:

Because I I will say going to a very small group one or group two school in New Jersey and playing three sports is a lot different than going to a parochial or a higher level school and playing three sports.

Scott:

Sure.

Intro:

So the takeaway is this, what high school are you going to? Because here's the deal, there's a lot of studs in all these different towns that go to a high level high school, and they have trouble just getting playing time in one sport.

Jamie:

That's right.

Intro:

Never mind, like, playing multiple sports. Like, let's worry about getting reps in one sport. Because, like, you don't know what's coming up the pipeline. You know what I mean? Like, with some of these schools.

Intro:

Like, look at the quarterback situation in North Jersey, where you're a stud, you got offers. Right? Like the sneaky kid, he's got offers. Yep. D one offers, and he had to transfer schools because he wasn't getting reps.

Jamie:

That's right.

Intro:

And even now with Brown Catholic, like, they're going back and forth with reps. Yeah. Like... And you got you got d one offers, and you're not getting the amount of playing time. That's how competitive it is, which is insane because is a stud.

Intro:

Like, he's a stud, and, you know, there's just there's a lot of kids wanting to play for these schools.

Scott:

But... Sorry, James. I saw you were gonna ask him, but I'm just curious. But the the downward pressure that that puts on young athletes via the parents because they understand the competitive landscape, they understand what these stud athletes are probably doing at earlier ages. Like, how do you kind of find that right balance, that intersection of, like, you know, of of enjoying three sports and then also, you know, taking one seriously enough where you can actually give yourself a chance to, you know, play varsity or whatever the, you know, whatever the goal might be.

Scott:

I mean, it seems like there's... That it's not shocking that there are families that are so all in and early on specialization professionalization of children. Like, it's not shocking, but, like, where... How do you find a middle ground throughout all this?

Intro:

Yeah. I think one, I think kids should should play all sports through eighth grade. And then and then once you get to high school, like, where where... What high school are you going to? You should go to a high school one where you have the best chance to play.

Intro:

Right. Like, and and and get on the field and get on the court, get on the ice. What is the best chance to, you know, to get to get reps? Because if your goal is to play college and if your goal is to get a scholarship... If you're not playing varsity as a sophomore, it's it's...

Intro:

The scholarship opportunity is... It gets really small. Right. Really, really small. Yeah.

Intro:

You know, not that it's impossible. If you're, you know, if you start playing varsity as a junior, you still can get a scholarship, but your, you know, your your window is closing quickly. And if you're playing varsity as a freshman or sophomore, there's a good chance you're not only gonna get a scho... I'm talking about the power at the Yep. Your high schools.

Intro:

If you're playing at those younger ages, there's a good chance you might not just get a scholarship. You're gonna get paid. You know? Right. It's true.

Intro:

Right. These things get paid, you know, being... Depending how your body develops, you're gonna get paid big, you know, now. Yeah. So now that game has changed.

Intro:

So... But as a... The advice to a parent, find the school where you have the best chance of playing and getting reps. And if you do that, even at a smaller school, and you're getting reps and you're doing really well, I mean, you can still get looks and get opportunities. But, you you know, the the earlier you can play, the better.

Intro:

You know? Not that it's impossible, because it's a tough it's a tough balancing act. I... Listen. I have two sons.

Intro:

Right? Ramapo High School... I mean, Wyckoff is a really good football high school. Mean, they have great sports that we decided to go to Don Bosco because they wanted that competition. Like, they thrived on it.

Intro:

Now my kids both would have played earlier and got more reps if they went to Ramapone, no doubt. But, you know, they went there, and they rose to the occasion. My oldest son played college basketball, had a great career at division three, which was a big accomplishment because it was COVID year. You know, he had to survive all that craziness and COVID just to get on a roster and and ultimately played at Salve and enjoyed the career of basketball. Because basketball is the hardest sport to play.

Intro:

In in high school, you know, you have cuts. Basketball, baseball, there's cuts. Right? Yeah. And, you know, he did that.

Intro:

And then my younger guy, you know, went to Delaware and and actually played three years down there, graduated in three years, and had a great career there, and went to a bowl game, got a bowl ring, and, you know Wow. You know, did all that and was, you know, not even on the radar as like an eighth grader. You know, he wasn't he didn't... He wasn't a standout in eighth grade, you know, but he went to Bosco. He was...

Intro:

Wasn't even a starter on the freshman team at Bosco. And then by his senior year, like I said, led their team and received... Was their number one receiver on the team in every category and and and, you know, wind up going to Delaware and having a great career there. But I I share that with you because, you know, they they they wanted that challenge, not me. Like, they...

Intro:

I was happy wherever we... They decided to go. Like, if it was up to me, I might've might've sent them to Indian Hills and have them play as a freshman. Right? You know?

Intro:

I mean, they probably probably could've, I mean, or or or maybe got some reps, or maybe maybe definitely play as a sophomore. Right? Because the competition at Indian Hills, that would have been a a great career. Because my... You know, they both didn't really play much until...

Intro:

They both played a little bit their junior year. They got varsity time. They were definite contributors and all, but they they got... You know, their their breakout years were their senior years. And and that was...

Intro:

You know? So my son was a walk on at Delaware. He got he got a bunch of walk on offers, you know, from Fordham and and a bunch of schools, West Virginia and all these schools, which was great, you know, just to be a walk on. But then Delaware was our best choice, and we wind up going down there. And then he wind up getting a little bit of money there too, so it worked out.

Jamie:

Oh, nice.

Scott:

Oh, nice.

Jamie:

Very nice. So let's talk about about Parisi Academy. So let's talk about why you started that. Obviously, my my son's been there now. This is his second year.

Jamie:

I love the academics. I love the athletics there. With the... I guess with the... Now you were kind of also ahead of the curve with the academy, right, that I think, you know, came online in in in '19.

Jamie:

And correct me if I'm wrong, but the the alternative schooling that's popping up these days everywhere, right, With people looking for the nontraditional schooling. You were ahead of the curve with that too.

Intro:

Yep. Yeah. I mean, that happened by accident. I mean, because my older son in seventh grade said to me, I wanna play basketball, like, at Don Bosco. Right.

Intro:

He goes... He said that to me. I'm like, alright. Well, if that's the case, you're not ready. Like, you're you're you're physically...

Intro:

You're you're not ready. You have to reclass if that's important. He goes, okay. I want... I wanna reclass that.

Intro:

And he go... And he said to me, I had... I actually made a video, it's kinda funny, it's on our website. I don't know if I put this in the video, he goes he goes, dad, no matter what, if I change my mind, like this was in seventh, eighth grade, he said, I want you to force me to repeat. Like right now, I don't want my emotions and my friends to take my emotions over like later on in eighth grade.

Intro:

Like he said that, I have it on video.

Jamie:

It's a very mature thing for a kid to say, by the way. It's very mature.

Intro:

And it was insane that he said that to me. And I actually recorded it. I'm like, are you sure? I'm gonna get my phone. I'm gonna record this.

Intro:

Are you sure? He goes, I want you to force me to repeat. No matter... And that was like insane. Right?

Intro:

So I didn't have to force him to repeat a year later. And I sent him to a program where he repeated eighth grade. I'm not gonna say the school. I'm not gonna say anything. But we were underwhelmed with the academics.

Intro:

We were underwhelmed. And Right. I... We didn't get much academically. Athletically, he trained at Parisi.

Intro:

We trained them. We got basketball training. That all was great. Right? Right.

Intro:

But academics was... It's really important. So it was almost... I felt like it was a wasted year. And it's crazy.

Intro:

Some parents still... Like really educated parents that I know, they they all... They say, yeah. Academics aren't important for that year. It's not a big deal.

Intro:

They're not... It doesn't mean much. I'm like, this is a year to get ahead academic. Are you kidding me? Right.

Intro:

So when my younger son, you know, said, I wanna play football with Don Bosco, I'm like, well, he's definitely not ready. Right? He was really small, late, late to hit puberty. And said, I'm gonna do this myself. I'm gonna homeschool you.

Intro:

And then three parents from White Coff said, hey. I heard you're homeschooling your kid. Jack Grusser and some other kids from town. So I hired a couple teachers. We did it in my office, and I homeschooled them, and that was the beginning of Parisi Academy.

Intro:

Did it for my kid. Did I know I was gonna do this for year two? No. But it just evolved. That year, I had five kids.

Intro:

I had five kids. Year two, we had like 12, And then I would, you know, I I grew my staff, I grew my teachers, and and I just continued to filter through teachers to find the right ones. You know, the ones that I felt were a good cultural fit, And the mission for us was high level academics, the highest level academics, bar none, 12 to a class no matter what. You know, that's all we have is 12 to each academic class, math, English, social studies, science. There's no negotiation on that, where everybody else in the space, they have like 20 kids in the, you know, in the class.

Intro:

We have 12. And we have three classrooms. We have 36 kids. We coulda had 50 kids this year. We turned 15 kids away...

Intro:

14 kids away because we don't bend on our standard. Right? And it's about the outcome. So we really focus on those academics at the highest level. That's why I started the academy, and and I started for my son, then it just evolved into a business.

Intro:

And, you know, for me, it's about just bringing on the right staff. So the nice thing is we have redundancy. Right? Like, I'm not running the program, meaning that I'm not in the... I spend my time making sure we have the right people and they have the right resources to execute.

Intro:

Because what happen is if I get hit by a bus, or one of my teachers, god forbid, gets hit by a bus, where's the program going? Like, our program's gonna be intact because we have redundancy. And that's one thing too parents need to be aware of is, like, what's the redundancy of the program? Like, you're not thinking about that in a public school or... Because they have hundreds of teachers.

Scott:

Right. Right.

Intro:

You know? So anyway, that's what gave me the start was I did it organically for my son, and it just evolved. And I really enjoy developing businesses. And and so listen, I have an undergraduate degree in finance. Right?

Intro:

I have my series seven, series 66. I was on Wall Street six months out of college, and I said this wasn't for me. You know? Money is not my driver. Impact and mission is my driver, and I...

Intro:

That's when I got into training and then took graduate courses in exercise science, anatomy, and whatnot. But money has never been the driver for me. If it was, I would've stayed on Wall Street because I have a type a personality, and I would've been probably managing 4 or $5,000,000,000 now like some of my friends. You know? But that that...

Intro:

I don't I don't chase that. I chase impact, and then when you do that, the money finds you.

Scott:

Wow. That's an unbelievable way that this... I I... That's not what I would have expected in terms of how the Academy came online. And Yeah.

Scott:

Again, it's just like ahead of the time just seems to be like a reoccurring theme. And and one thing, you know, now that we're talking about, like, the academy and the the training. So one thing that I think is interesting because, you know, there's academy... Sports specific academies. Right?

Scott:

There's plenty of hockey academies that are popping up. With respect to the the speed strength agility training that you do with your athletes, it's almost like... Is it fair to say that it's, like, sport agnostic to some extent that, like, it's... There's there's general purpose preparation that, like, you're doing with all your athletes that is transferable to all sports? Yep.

Scott:

And the kind of a a a, you know, a a second follow-up question to that is, is there any sports specific program tailoring, I guess, maybe that you do with any of your athletes, or are they all on the same the same program at the academy?

Intro:

It's a it's a great question. We we call... We describe this in terms of what we call the athlete pyramid. Right? Okay.

Intro:

If you think of a pyramid, right, it's a triangle shaped object. Right? The most important part of any object is the foundation. Right? The foundation of that pyramid.

Intro:

Whether it be a house, a building, you know, that that foundation is is critical. At the bottom of the pyramid, for a great athlete, is strength, speed, flexibility, power, confidence. That is the foundation of the pyramid. That's what we develop. We develop that foundation because at those young ages, the kids that are gonna have more opportunity for playing time are the faster, stronger, more confident kids.

Intro:

So we work on that foundation. As you go up the pyramid, then you have, you know, sports skill, you know, developing, you know, that skill. And it might be the actual sport now, the... And then the position of that sport, and then the specific skill of that position. We don't get into that.

Intro:

Right? We we leave that up to the sport coaches, or we leave that up to the sports specific coaches. Although our aspect of our training does hit some of that, because our training... When we... An athlete comes into the Parisi training system, we have a four quarter system.

Intro:

All of our sessions are four quarters. The first quarter of every Parisi Speed School session in all 127 locations is what we call our active dynamic warm up. Our warm up lasts about fifteen minutes, and it's a tissue prep warm up. We do a lot of the things I talked about earlier in terms of pliability and breaking up densification and all that. It's a very specific unique approach to preparing an athlete, and the warm up does a lot of different things physiologically, and it's a foundation to what we do.

Intro:

The second phase of what we do in our second quarter in our training is what we call our anchor drills. And based on our session that day, because we have three... Generally three types of training sessions. We have a linear speed training session where we're focusing on straight ahead speed, which is acceleration and maximum sprinting ability. So if you were to run a 40 yard dash, how how good is your first 10 to 20 yards and how good is your last 20?

Intro:

We work on those qualities. That's one type of training. We have a multidirectional speed training session, which is all the change of direction, maneuverability, and reaction. Right? Agility.

Intro:

So that's another type. We call that multi multi directional speed training. That's another type of training session. And then our third type of training session is what we call our total body strength session, where we're just working on getting stronger. So three types of training sessions.

Intro:

And those sessions are broken down even deeper. Example, linear speed is broken down into acceleration or max speed. Multidirectional speed could be broken down into curvilinear running, agility, deceleration, and we work on those physical attributes. The second quarter of each session is highlighting one of those things, and we're gonna build what we call anchor drills. And we're gonna build movements and body positions and get the athlete to understand these positions for these specific skills, whether it be acceleration, maximum velocity sprinting, deceleration, change of direction.

Intro:

We we have a very dialed in system for the second quarter. The third quarter now, because that second quarter we break them down, we do isometrics, we do we do different things that are very slow with... Teach the body these landmark positions. The third quarter now we're gonna do what we call application drills. Second quarter is anchor drills.

Intro:

We anchor the movement. Third quarter is application drills. Now we're gonna bring them into a very predetermined application. And then the fourth quarter is what we call challenges, reactive drills, more game like situations. So we have this four quarter loop that we bring our athletes through that we do in the fourth quarter get into some specificity for that specific movement.

Intro:

But it's around acceleration, max speed, deceleration, change of direction, agility around those things. I know that's a very long winded answer, but we we have a very very dialed in approach to our training methodology, and we follow a a process that gives our coaches the autonomy to adjust sessions accordingly. Our coaches are not line cooks, they're chefs. They come to chef training school, and then they're their chef in that gym. Know, they know what ingredients to use and how much, and they have the autonomy to add a little bit more spice here, a little less a little less milk here, and vice versa with your athletes.

Scott:

Sure.

Jamie:

Sure. Yeah. No. And and I can speak, you know, Dominic's measurables last year, you know, jumped big time from when you guys tested the beginning of the year till the end of the year. You know?

Jamie:

I mean, it's it's Yep. The the proof is in the pudding. Right?

Intro:

Yeah.

Jamie:

You know? I'm curious, Bill. You've obviously been doing this for a long time. What do you see is the biggest waste of money from a parent standpoint these days when it comes to training youth athletes? Is there one thing you could put your finger on?

Intro:

I would say if they're training if they're training their athlete and the person they hired there is not fully really engaged and paying attention to detail, depending on how much money they're spending, You know? I mean, that's one area that comes to mind. I mean Mhmm. You know, like, really making sure they're getting value, you know, out of the training experience because there's a lot of options out there, and you just wanna... And there's a lot of good trainers out there too.

Intro:

You know? I'm not saying, you know, I'm not saying that you have to be a Parisi certified trainer. There's there's good coaches out there like any industry. Right?

Jamie:

Sure.

Intro:

Yep. So I'm not... But but there are a lot of a lot of bad coaches out there. And listen. I mean, we have a big organization.

Intro:

There's times too that we need to let people go, and we need to get people mature. Yeah. We're we're always we're always, you know, refining our process and making sure, you know, sometimes people kinda age out of this industry or they realize it's not for them. It's a little harder than they thought, you know, keeping kids engaged and being on your feet six to eight hours and yelling and coaching. You know, it's not always it's not always, like, fun, you know, 20 Glorious.

Intro:

Yeah. Days a week. And I don't care what you do. Right? You know?

Intro:

So so the point is... And if it's not there, you need to say something to the coach. You know? You need to... You know, if you think that coach is good or maybe he had a bad day or or maybe the training's not where it needs to be, like, don't be afraid to speak up.

Intro:

You know?

Jamie:

I know.

Intro:

And I I tell you what. You know, I've been in this thing a long time, and I've seen coaches really evolve. And and sometimes when a client says something like, hey, man. You're like, you weren't on today. What's going on?

Intro:

I really value this relationship. And, like, I... I've seen coaches paradigm change with that stuff, their whole career changes, and they go to a whole new level. You know what I mean? It's it's interesting.

Jamie:

Interesting.

Intro:

You know, like... But because listen, like, any job, you do it for ten, twenty years, you know, sometimes you get... You know, maybe get a little tired, you get into a little bit of a rut, know, it's just human nature. Right? Yeah.

Intro:

And that's why, you know, we have our affiliates, because we keep our coaches, you know, fired up, motivated the best we can. But, you know, I can't always control people's personal lives, divorce, you know, sickness, you know, family sickness. Like, stuff happens to people. Right?

Jamie:

Yeah. Yeah.

Intro:

You know, their life changes. They get into a rut, like things change. I've been around this game a long time. Nothing's ever perfect. Like, I know I'm gonna wake up tomorrow.

Intro:

There's gonna be challenges. You know what I'm saying? Always. You own a you own a business, so you operate a business with people. There's gonna be challenges.

Intro:

Yeah.

Jamie:

No question.

Scott:

So so as far as like the the weight lifting component for young athletes, I think that's also, like, maybe a hot button topic potentially. Yeah. Like, when when should children... When can they start safely lifting weights? And and connected to that, like, is body weight exercise automatically safer than than weight lifting?

Intro:

Yeah. I would say no. I would... Meaning that, first and foremost, when we talk about weight training or resistance training, they're interchangeable terms, but let's, like, understand what this really means. When we resistance train, we're putting resistance on the bone and muscle.

Intro:

So when I do a push up or a pull up, I'm resistance training. So doing a bench press with 10 pounds or just the bar that might be a light bar, call it 25 pounds, is less stress than a might... Than a push up might be.

Scott:

Sure.

Intro:

Right? On a on a kid. But now if that kid has that bar and he brings it down real fast and it's out of control, that could be that could be dangerous. Right. Getting injured doing a push up, if he does a push up out of control, it's a little harder to get injured.

Intro:

So the resistance against a muscle is healthy. How much resistance we're using is important, and the control of that resistance is important. So resistance training for any athlete is healthy. Gymnasts, people start gymnastics at a very, very young age. The amount of stress that goes through a gymnast's structure is so much greater than weight training.

Intro:

Right? And and what they do. That's why they put a lot of stress on their body. That's why if your kid does gymnastics at a young age, they get really strong. Right?

Intro:

That's why they're typically the fastest kids in in in in in grade, fifth grade. You know, that kid's really fast and explosive. He's a gymnast, you know? Right. Or something like that.

Intro:

So like understanding its resistance that we need to manage. And at a young age, even at eight, nine, 10 years old, you know, holding a gallon of milk right here, sitting in a chair slowly, and getting

Jamie:

up Resistance training.

Intro:

Out of the chair is like doing a kettlebell squat.

Jamie:

Right. Right. Right.

Intro:

So if I hold a gallon of milk right here in and my I tell my kid, sit back in that chair really slow, as slow as you can. Sit down with that milk in your hand as slow as you can, and then get up as fast as you can. Do that 10 times. That's an insane Right. Resistance training workout.

Intro:

You know, with with a five pound... With with a two pound gallon of milk or one pound, whatever that may be. Right? And that's my eight year old. Right?

Intro:

It's just managing it and and not overloading it, and and most importantly, having really good technique. And that's why in our program, where kids come in at eight, nine, 10 years old, we'll do medicine ball squats. We'll have a medicine ball, and we'll do a squat with a medicine ball or a very light kettlebell. We'll do push up holds. We'll do dumbbell work, you know, very light five pound dumbbells, but really controlled and owning owning that that weight.

Intro:

Very, very controlled. Once you use heavy weight and you go out of control, you're gonna get injured.

Scott:

But Mhmm.

Intro:

Resistance is healthy for any age kid. I mean, about a baby lifting up its head. That's resistance. They're they're Sure. The neck to to to train to get stronger.

Intro:

If the baby never lifted its head, you know, it just stayed like this, they would they would never develop the ability to stand

Jamie:

up. Right.

Scott:

Right. That's so interesting. Yeah.

Jamie:

Totally. So that really kinda debunks the the whole, you know, don't have your kids strength training until they're like 13, 14.

Intro:

Yeah. No. Right? And and which is crazy because you can have such an advantage. But the challenge is you gotta go to a professional Right.

Intro:

That's gonna give the kid the right technique and the right dose. The right dose of of of load, right, of of resistance. And managing it very precisely and grooving those motor skills of how to squat, how to, you know, create these movements that's gonna, you know, really train the neurology to have greater recruitment. Like, it really comes down at a young age. It's it's the kid's ability to find that motor recruitment to be able to create greater greater force development.

Intro:

So a lot of strength gains at young ages come from neural. You know, just the neurology of of like, when you lift a three pound weight, you're only... You're gonna recruit a certain amount of muscle, right, like to lift. If I if I now grab a 20 pound weight, I'm gonna recruit greater amount of muscle. Right?

Intro:

So if I train the right way, when I sprint, my body only is gonna generate a certain amount of recruitment to sprint this certain amount of speed. Right? But if I'm resistance training and I train my neurology to feel like now I got that 20 pound weight that I need to move opposed to a three pound plate, I'm gonna I'm gonna recruit more muscle and create more force. I'm gonna run faster.

Jamie:

Right.

Intro:

So it's like it's like training the neurology to be more... To recruit more muscle to be more explosive. Just like a kid picking up a can of soup, or picking up a two gallon of milk. He's recruiting a lot more neurology to pick up that two gallon of milk. Right.

Intro:

That's what happens at young ages. We're training the neurology to be able to recruit more muscle to generate more force.

Scott:

Yeah. So so in... Okay. So the age thing, we we've kind of like, you know, sorted through that and Yep. More thing

Intro:

I wanna add to that though.

Scott:

Oh, yeah.

Intro:

As you go through puberty, and you get older, now the body's gonna lay down more tissue. Now you're gain more size. But at young ages, weight training's not gonna give you size, it's gonna train the neurology to be a better recruiter of muscle.

Scott:

Okay.

Intro:

So I just wanna make that clear. Like, we don't weight train kids at a young age to try to get them to grow muscle.

Jamie:

Right.

Intro:

We're we're getting them to recruit more muscle and have better neural control. Just like when you think of a gymnast or a martial artist, a black belt, junior black belt, they have a lot of neuromuscular control. Like Right. Like like I I got... They they...

Intro:

You know, they they... The the neurology was trained. If you trained as a martial... Like, everyone... No one...

Intro:

No parent would be like, oh, I can't bring my kids to Taekwondo at five. Like Taekwondo to go learn how to kick and punch is a normal thing. Every parent be like, yeah, that's kinda cool. And if your kid's stuck with it for five years, he's a junior black belt and he's a stud athlete. Right?

Scott:

Right.

Intro:

Now what did he train? He didn't train his... He trained his neurology. He trained the the the nervous system to fire a muscle at a high speed, and and now he's strong. He's not really big.

Intro:

You you look at junior bud, they're skinny, right? Yeah. But they can like well a punch and they can jump real high, because it's the neurology they trained for those five years.

Scott:

Right? Just so

Intro:

I want to make that clear. And muscle tissue growth comes after puberty. That's where you're gain size,

Jamie:

once the testosterone comes pumping through

Intro:

the mouth. Exactly. I just wanted to make sure that was clear for parents, because, you know, when we train young athletes to strength train, very light load, we're training the neurology to own the positions, to own the weight and own the position to stay stable with load, you know, not break down, to create this stability in the core and in the shoulders and the hips. It's all about the neurology, the firing, the the the nervous system, the elect... The electrical system to to fire correctly.

Scott:

Right. And so making that kind of like distinction, is is that something like when we talked about, you know, parents perhaps, like, know, we're looking into strength training or off ice conditioning or, you know, off field, whatever we're gonna call it, but dry land. What what are some of the things that a parent could do if... When they're interviewing a potential trainer for their child, or a potential facility? Like, what what are like the key things that Let's If it's pre puberty, like, what is it you wanna understand?

Intro:

Let's talk about hockey specific.

Scott:

Okay.

Intro:

Because I have a very dear friend of mine. His name is Michelle Delcourt. He's a very highly acclaimed, you know, strength and conditioning coach, exercise scientist, and he's Canadian. And he was a Canadian hockey strength coach for ten years. This was twenty years ago.

Intro:

Highly acclaimed, worked with high level hockey players, youth, high school pro. And he was new. This was back, I guess, in early two thousands, late nineties. He was getting his athletes ready, and he was doing traditional training. Getting them strong, you know, traditionally with squats and deadlifts and whatnot.

Intro:

And you need that as a foundation, but as you get older and you you do that stuff, you don't need that as much. He went to the hockey coach after the first year or two. How are my guys doing? And the hockey coach told him, and this is high level Canadian, they gotta get stronger around the puck, getting pushed around. Okay?

Intro:

He went back to his program. He goes, he got them stronger. He got bigger squat, bigger bench, bigger deadlift, all these traditional lifts. Next year, how are my guys doing? Gotta get them stronger around the puck.

Intro:

So who's beating my guys? The farm kids. The kids that would grew up on a farm.

Jamie:

Throwing bales of hay and stuff like that.

Intro:

And here was the paradigm shift, and this is the the the map I've been on now most of my career. Omnidirectional, some maximal loading. So when you think of bench press, squat, deadlift, again, comes back to that sagittal plane, comes back to that same motion. Think about squat, deadlift, lunge, step up, all these lower body exercises. The leg's doing the same thing.

Intro:

Right? Up down up down. Omnidirectional submaximal loading is different. And what does this mean? So when you talk about hockey and you talk about warding someone and, you know, you're talking about body movements and being strong and these unbalanced positions, we go back to the tree example.

Intro:

We go back to wind and all these different things. That strength is not just muscle focused. It's the combination of neurology and fascia. And and here's the big takeaway in terms of training and what to look for. You wanna build an athlete that is focused on omnidirectional strength, meaning that someone that can really box out in basketball that might not be super strong in the weight room, but, man, they're so hard to move.

Intro:

They've got a unique farm boy strength. How do you develop farm boy strength? Well, you do farm boy activities in the gym. And this guy, Michel Delcourt, actually invented something called the Viper, which is basically a bale of hay with handles.

Jamie:

Oh, so it wasn't cute when I said bale of hay.

Intro:

And and it's all different weights. And we have like 30 of them in in our facilities. And then there was another group called Tidal Tank that invented a basically bale of hay with water in it, because now it becomes unstable. So those types of activities are really important to develop what we call omnidirectional strength, meaning that the load is moving in all these different planes of motion and and and and ranges, but the body has to find stability while it's in these odd positions. And it's a very specific training protocol, and you you need to know what you're doing because you don't wanna go into vulnerable positions where you could get injured.

Intro:

But you wanted to do... You wanna get the body ready to be strong in odd positions and off balance. So how do you build strength when you're not necessarily balanced? Right? Because, you know, or you you try to find balance.

Intro:

You know? Your body's trying to find balance, and that's the next generation of training. Like, that's where we're at. That's what we're teaching. Right?

Intro:

Right. That... It's called dynamic systems theory. It's... Has a lot to do with the body self organizes without conscious thought.

Intro:

The body finds stability without conscious thought. So you need to be... Know, if you wanna be an elite athlete, you need to be strong in squats and bench. You need to have a foundation of strength in those traditional movements. I'm not discrediting those movements.

Intro:

They are important. But in a lot of high level sport, they're overplayed. They're overdone. And for for young athletes to get a combination of both of these things... So that's what we do.

Intro:

Right? We we bring along these tools, and we use these tools at young ages because we wanna create balance and symmetry with the athlete. And, you know, making sure they know how to use these tools and, you know, they're not the end all be all, but they're a piece of the puzzle. Right? You gotta have these different pieces.

Intro:

You add these types of tools and these types of farm boy exercises along with traditional strength, along with good movement of acceleration, d cell, all these different things, along with good sleep and hydration, and that's where your athlete's gonna reach their potential. And what is that potential? We don't know. Right? I mean, that's the fun part.

Intro:

Like, you don't know. You can cut open an apple, and you can count the number of seeds in the apple, but you can't count the number of apples in any one of those seeds. That's potential.

Jamie:

Right. I I can I can see, like, some of our listeners walking into, like, a a precis facility or whatever facility's close and be like, do you guys do Farm Boy Farm Boy exercises? And the guys could be like, what?

Intro:

That's, you know, Viper and title tank. You should say, hey, do you guys have Vipers or title tanks here? Yeah. Those are two of the tools that, you know, are the They're tools that we use that make up that bale of hay, and we're moving them in all different directions, and we're creating strength in odd positions. I mean, that's really the key.

Intro:

Being strong in odd positions, and that goes for every sport. Offense, a lineman gotta be strong, running back

Jamie:

Yeah.

Intro:

You know, hockey players, basketball players, being Yeah. All these... I have an athlete we trained when he was very young. His name is Zakai Ziegler. Okay?

Intro:

Zakai Ziegler is a basketball player. He's five foot eight and three quarters. Oh, wow. Okay. Ziggy Ziglar went to the University of Tennessee and played basketball.

Intro:

If you Google Ziggy Ziglar, he was two time defensive player of the year in the SEC. Wow. Defensive player in the year of the year in the SEC of five eight and three quarters. And Zakai Ziegler does lots of farm boy training.

Jamie:

Interesting. Okay.

Intro:

Yeah. And I have a whole video on him, and we've done a... You know, listen. We trained him when he was very young. He he would have been Zagai Ziglar without Parisi.

Intro:

You know? Although his mom gave us a shout out on his social media page, which was nice. Because he's plays

Jamie:

Yeah. Yeah.

Intro:

He's playing in Europe right now. You know, five eight and three quarters, not... Maybe not good enough for the NBA, but good enough to be a stud at the d one level.

Jamie:

Not too shabby.

Intro:

Yeah. No. Not shabby at all. And he he made a really good living in Tennessee too, so good for him. But I mean, he exemplifies farm boy strength because he played on my son's AAU team.

Intro:

Okay. In high school. And I remember my son saying, when Sakai posted you up or he was playing defense, he described him as a moving fire hydrant. Whenever I tried to pin... Whenever I tried to penetrate him, it was like trying to go into a fire hydrant that was in the ground.

Intro:

But he was like but he was moving. Like, it was like... He was like this moving fire hydrant. Whenever whenever he tried to penetrate, when someone was on offense

Jamie:

He would push him back out.

Intro:

He would... No. He would go nowhere. Was like Yeah. Into like a brick wall, and all of a sudden, this brick wall was like lightning fast.

Intro:

Like, how does that happen? That happens through omnidirectional strength. It happens through the neurology and the fascia. And get the body to become this composite, this mechanical composite, that all of a sudden becomes super stiff and strong, like steel. I can give you a really cool analogy of mechanical composite if you're interested, but I don't wanna get too deep into the science.

Intro:

But it's it's really cool. I'll give you this one. Like, we train to become a mechanical composite in milliseconds, on and off, on and off. We become super stiff to become that fire hydrant as that defender, and then all of a sudden, in milliseconds, but it shuts off and we're quick again. Right.

Intro:

So it's like becoming like really strong and stiff to be able to ward off or guard, or whether it be I have the puck and I'm really strong, I I move this guy, like my body becomes this mechanical composite for milliseconds, like super strong. And and and the tension is really high because you can't move. The layers of the muscle tissue all co contract at the same time, and the sum of the parts is greater than the whole. And what do I mean by that? If I took a piece of pine wood, and say it was a half inch, or say quarter inch, and I I held it up, and the grain was going laterally, and I held it like this, and you punched it, and I gave it a little flick.

Intro:

I helped... I kinda helped you, and you you would break it. Yeah. If I took that same piece of pine wood and I sliced it into veneers, like potato chips, and so like maybe five veneer slices, and I glued it back together, but I cross linked the the grain. Mhmm.

Intro:

That's plywood. It's the same exact wood, same thickness, but it's much stronger. That's a mechanical composite. And that's exactly what happens in the human body when the neurology facilitates co contraction through the fascia, where the layers of muscle tissue all co contract in a millisecond of time. That's why Zakai Ziegler becomes a human fire hydrant, and is a is a statue of steel.

Intro:

Because then then then a six foot far, six foot four, two hundred and ten pound guard from Kentucky can't penetrate him.

Jamie:

Wow. That's right.

Scott:

Yeah. Super cool.

Intro:

Yeah. I mean, this is high level sports science stuff that most high level coaches don't even understand.

Jamie:

And Okay.

Intro:

This is not common, but I'll say this last piece. What I'm saying here is non negotiable and proven by science.

Scott:

Okay. Yeah. Alright. And and this is and this is what, you know, student athletes are gonna get at Precinct Academy, what they're Oh yeah. Gonna

Intro:

is what we get. Like this is super high level stuff, like I'm I'm bringing it down to layman's terms.

Scott:

Yeah, By

Intro:

giving you examples, but I will give you the research papers, I will give you the PhD biomechanists that publish this stuff. I can read off those those those those documentations and resources right now and here, and so yeah, this is... Guys, this is what I do every day, all day for thirty five years. Yeah. This is what I do.

Scott:

Well, listen, we've kept you for some time now, and I think that's a good a good way to start to wrap things up. But one thing we wanna make sure to do before we wrap up is if you could just share with all of our listeners if they wanna learn more about Parisi Academy strengths, you know, Speed School

Intro:

Speed School.

Scott:

Where can they find you? Where can they get information?

Intro:

We have a lot of a lot of handles, so I'll read them off one by one per... Here you go. Here we go. And we have a lot of good traction. So parisiacademy.com is our website.

Intro:

Social media is Parisi academy. Parisischool.com is our Parisi school website for locations. And then Parisi Speed School is our Instagram social handle on that, and then myself is Bill underscore Parisi on social. And then... Yeah.

Intro:

I mean, that's our main that's our main things for parents. You know?

Scott:

Awesome. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. We'll be we'll be sure to put all that up in the in the show notes when we release

Jamie:

the episode.

Scott:

Yeah. Alright, everybody. Welcome back from an interview with Bill Parisi. James, thanks so much for getting that guy on, man.

Jamie:

Yeah. No problem. I appreciate him coming on. It was really nice of him to come on. I know he's a very busy dude, so I definitely appreciate him coming on.

Scott:

And I will say that I haven't thought about the Javelin in a long time until this interview.

Jamie:

Yeah. You know, it's funny. What... So I I I know that story well because

Scott:

He tells it.

Jamie:

Because he tells it when, when he... When you're orientation for school. Yeah. So I've heard it twice, Ray, since Tom's been there for two years Yeah. At the Academy.

Jamie:

I gotta tell you. Let me stop and say them before... We talk about, like, alternative schooling Mhmm. A lot. Like, on this, right, like, there's a lot of, like, like, hockey academies popping up.

Scott:

Yeah. Online school.

Jamie:

Wrestling. Online school. Subject. Yeah. Right.

Jamie:

Mic... Subject and, like, you know, soccer academies and all these, like, sports academies and dip dip... Alternative type schooling that's popping up.

Scott:

Yeah. Sure.

Jamie:

Right? You know? And I don't think they're all I don't think they're all on the same level. You know? And what's really cool about Bill Parisi is he...

Jamie:

Listen. And like you said in the interview, he designed it for his kid.

Scott:

Right. I know he said he started in his office. Right.

Jamie:

You know, like With, like, five kids. Yes. And it it has evolved into what it is now today. And I I... Again, I'm...

Jamie:

Listen. I'm biased because my kid's there, but my wife is also a kindergarten teacher, and my wife has been... We're big on academics. And we are thrilled not only with the athletics there

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

But the academics there are fantastic.

Scott:

Fantastic. Yeah. And what he said, that's something he was unwilling to sacrifice on. Correct.

Jamie:

Yep. And a lot of these academies, not all, but a lot of them, I don't think take the academic portion so seriously. They just... You have an online platform, go to your online schooling, and we'll provide the soccer train, the hockey train, the football train, whatever sport you're there for. Mhmm.

Jamie:

Right? This is different because the Academy, it's all athletes of all different sports. Right. But what they... What I love is that the...

Jamie:

They already have the athletics part down. They've been doing that for, like, said, like, thirty five years, however long he's been doing it for. But the academic part of it is what impresses me so much about it. He's got a really nice thing going.

Scott:

Yeah. That's... And, you know, there's a woman, well, one of Noah's friends who she does lacrosse with.

Jamie:

Right.

Scott:

And also a girl that's in her school, her mother's an educator, and she's... She knows a lot about, like, the different programs Yeah. Around here, and she said that she's

Jamie:

Online programs, that type stuff.

Scott:

Yeah. Just... She's like kinda like Alternative know. Right. And, she and she shuttles her kid to, like, you know, to take, like, Russian math in the city and do, like, this and this there, like, a bunch of different stuff.

Scott:

But she was saying, like, she's heard very good things about Parisi and their academics.

Jamie:

I'm

Scott:

telling you she has not... And she doesn't have a kid going there. I mean, she's involved in sports because her double

Jamie:

has no skin in that game. That's just her honest opinion.

Scott:

Well, I don't even know if it's her opinion. It's just... You know, but she she has it... It has the reputation of being Yeah. Like, a quality educational program.

Jamie:

It's very... Listen. Dominic went to the, ex Hockey Academy, you know, before he went to Parisi. Obviously, was just a hockey school. And it was great, but, you know, it was online academics.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

So... And it... There was a teacher there. Don't get me wrong, but still, it was an online platform.

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

So they were on their computers, which is fine, you know, but it... Parisi is a different level of academics.

Scott:

Right. Because it's an actual, like... You they have actual teachers

Jamie:

Correct.

Scott:

Classroom settings. It's like going to a

Jamie:

That's private correct. Yeah. So I think that if... I'd like

Scott:

So just to be clear, Dom is not receiving an online education at Parisi. No. Right. He's in an academic environment with teachers.

Jamie:

Oh, yeah. He's a teacher... He's a different teacher for every subject.

Scott:

There we go. Right? And he just capped it, what, 12 kids per class?

Jamie:

It's it's... There's three classes of 12, so a total of 36 kids. I think it's red, black, and gray, they call them. You know? Yeah.

Jamie:

It's it's it's great. It's it's... And and listen, we... Nancy and I wanted this because Dominic was at, obviously, at X Hockey Academy, it was fine. He was and he was in school there.

Jamie:

He was actually going into a classroom and doing school Right. But it was still an online platform. Yep. Right? Which was fine for, like, you know, fourth, fifth, and sixth grade.

Jamie:

Right? He did seventh there too, technically. But now that he's been in Parisi Academy for two years, it's technically like his middle school. Yeah. And we wanted to do this to get him ready for high school because this is a true prep for, like, high school.

Jamie:

So it was... It worked out really well for us, I could say. You know, with my child with ADHD, a different... An alternative type of schooling is good for him. Okay.

Jamie:

You know? So it's it has worked for him.

Scott:

That's great.

Jamie:

Yeah. So, you know, I I I have very good things to say about the alternative schooling path, because it's worked out for my child.

Scott:

No.

Jamie:

And and Bill has built a really... Like, I he's the premier in the area. I I can't say... There's not one other one that's that's that's better than in the area. Yeah.

Jamie:

I can't be... I can't even... I can't even think of a close second.

Scott:

I I I don't know. Yeah. I Yeah. You would know better than me for sure.

Jamie:

Yeah. No. He... He's he's built a very impressive academy. It's very hard to get into, by the way.

Jamie:

Like, there's waiting lists.

Scott:

Oh, I'm sure. Yeah. I'm sure there

Jamie:

is. Major, major waiting lists.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

Yeah. That's great.

Scott:

Yeah. That's good. Well, I'm glad he's thriving there. I'm glad he's doing well. Yeah.

Scott:

And it was great that we had him on to talk, you know, strength training with Yeah. You know, younger athletes. And, yeah, it was very, very, very good.

Jamie:

Very Yeah. Hopefully, people learned a little from, listener

Scott:

because he's

Jamie:

a pretty smart guy.

Scott:

Yeah. Yeah. So

Jamie:

thank you again, mister Crazy, for coming on.

Scott:

Yes. That's great. Thank you. Yeah. So, what else is on on top?

Scott:

We did talk about doing, NHL.

Jamie:

Oh, you want... Oh, you wanna do predictions?

Scott:

You wanna do predictions?

Jamie:

We can.

Scott:

Are you are you up for the task? I am, I think. Because it does start. It does start tonight.

Jamie:

It does start tonight, doesn't it?

Scott:

Yes.

Jamie:

I'm game.

Scott:

Alright.

Jamie:

I'm definitely game. What are we talking about? Winning conferences? What are we what are we what are we talking about here? What am I guessing at?

Scott:

Okay. So so basic... So we should say... So 16 teams are gonna make the playoffs. You got eight from each conference.

Jamie:

I'm fine, really. Don't worry about me.

Scott:

Jamie, is everything okay? Yeah. Oh, good. Good. I was very concerned.

Jamie:

Yeah. I got sick while we were in Notre Dame. Not sick. Just like a respiratory thing. Coffee out green stuff, you know, that type of stuff.

Scott:

Ma, I I think I have the black lung.

Jamie:

What's that from? I don't know what that's from.

Scott:

From, Zoolander.

Jamie:

Oh my god. You know, it's funny. I I saw it, but I I never really, like... Wasn't ever, like, a go back go back to.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

You know? But he's... Ben Stiller's funny, but I never went back to

Scott:

that one. Alright.

Jamie:

I don't remember that line. I gotta go back.

Scott:

Unless I'm unless I'm No.

Jamie:

Know, you might

Scott:

you might be.

Jamie:

No. No. You might be. I'm... You you might be.

Scott:

Anyway, getting back to hockey. Yeah. So the top three teams in each of the four divisions are automatic in in the playoffs, and there's four wild cards. Right? So the top two remaining teams by points

Jamie:

Okay.

Scott:

In each conference

Jamie:

Okay.

Scott:

Take the final spots.

Jamie:

Okay.

Scott:

So do you wanna say, like, you wanna pick the the the eight from each conference that you think are gonna make it, like, without getting into the weeds with the stuff. Yeah. Does that make sense?

Jamie:

Yes.

Scott:

Fair. Okay. So we're not we're not saying... Do you wanna say who's winning who's winning the division? Oh, let's say...

Scott:

Okay. So for each con... Let's go...

Jamie:

You wanna go eastern first?

Scott:

Yeah. Let's let's go eastern and then the Western, and then we can... Do you wanna pick who's gonna win each division?

Jamie:

Yeah. Sure. Why not? We'll pick the division winner, and then we'll pick... And we'll make sure we have we have four we have we have four coming out from each.

Jamie:

Right? Four from the the four... That's what we're doing. We're doing four from each.

Scott:

So we have... No. We're gonna pick eight teams Right. From each conference, east and west.

Jamie:

Got it. Right. Four from... Right. Four from the Atlantic, four from the Met, essentially.

Scott:

Oh, yes. Yes. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry.

Jamie:

Got it. Okay. Got it.

Scott:

Okay. Okay.

Jamie:

Alright. Fire away. Mm-mm. We're doing... Alright.

Jamie:

So we're doing Eastern Conference first. Alright?

Scott:

Got it. Hold on. Hold on. On. On.

Scott:

Okay. Eastern Conference. Eastern Conference. Eastern Conference. Okay.

Scott:

So who you got?

Jamie:

Alright. So So so... Alright. So so here. So my my division winner from the Atlantic...

Jamie:

I'm just gonna do it that way.

Scott:

Okay. Fine.

Jamie:

So we're doing four... Essentially, we got the top three come out. Yes. And then a wildcard.

Scott:

Yeah. So you so you have 18... So the top three teams in each of the four divisions make it.

Jamie:

Yeah. And then there's two wildcards.

Scott:

And then there's there's

Jamie:

A wildcard... There's two wildcards whether they're from the Atlantic or the Met. Correct?

Scott:

Right. They can both come out of the same one.

Jamie:

Okay. Alright. So here's... Alright. Here...

Jamie:

You ready?

Scott:

Yep.

Jamie:

Carolina's coming out.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

Because I love Dan Muse. Pittsburgh's coming out.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

Shout out Dan Muse for being on the podcast. The Maple Leafs are coming out. The Canadians are coming out. The Panthers are coming out. Mhmm.

Jamie:

That's five. I wanna see the devil so badly. I think the... I'm gonna say the devils. I'm so stupid.

Jamie:

Devils are coming out. That's six, and then two wild cards, essentially. Right?

Scott:

You got three from each. Right?

Jamie:

Yeah.

Scott:

Yep.

Jamie:

I'm gonna say the, yeah, the Boston Bruins and the Buffalo Sabres.

Scott:

Okay. That's what I think. Okay. Yeah. Alright.

Jamie:

So Might have left Philadelphia out. I might have.

Scott:

Yeah. Don't think that's crazy.

Jamie:

Sorry. It's alright.

Scott:

Alright. So for me, I'll go start with the East... Sorry, the Atlantic. So I got Canadians.

Jamie:

Oof. I left I left the lightning out too, by the way. I mean, so that's gonna be.

Scott:

Canadians are in. I think the Panthers are in. Right. And I think

Jamie:

The Maple Leafs.

Scott:

I think the Maple Leafs.

Jamie:

Oh, you think you missed the playoffs?

Scott:

No. I think the Maple Leafs

Jamie:

are in. Oh, okay. I thought you weren't gonna pick them.

Scott:

So I got Canadians, Panthers, Maple Leafs.

Jamie:

Okay. And then

Scott:

and then I also Which

Jamie:

is the exact same thing I did.

Scott:

Right. And I also think the Sabres are getting in.

Jamie:

That's your wild card, is the Sabres.

Scott:

So I'm just gonna start with that there. Okay. Metropolitan. I've got, the Caps.

Jamie:

Oh, that's... I got

Scott:

the Caps. I got the Hurricanes.

Jamie:

Okay. Makes sense.

Scott:

And then I'm going Devils.

Jamie:

Okay.

Scott:

And then... The lightning is...

Jamie:

Dan?

Scott:

I don't know. I I I don't know. I think I like the

Jamie:

You like the Islanders? I don't think they're I don't think they're there yet.

Scott:

Yeah. Neither do I. Although I'd

Jamie:

Couple years, that'd be really good.

Scott:

Yeah. I think any company is gonna

Jamie:

be very good.

Scott:

No. I'm gonna go lightning.

Jamie:

Oh, yeah. That's good.

Scott:

I don't think you can sleep on the lightning.

Jamie:

Yeah. I I may have

Scott:

looked like I got five coming out of

Jamie:

Okay.

Scott:

Yeah. Out of the Atlantic Yeah. And three coming out of the metro.

Jamie:

I did too, by the way. So that's that's... Yeah. I gotcha. Alright.

Jamie:

Nice.

Scott:

Alright.

Jamie:

Okay.

Scott:

Western Conference.

Jamie:

Alright. I have... Out of the Central, I'll take the Avalanche.

Scott:

Mhmm.

Jamie:

I will take the Wild before Quinn Hughes leaves.

Scott:

Mhmm.

Jamie:

And I will take the Dallas Stars.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

And the wildcard is gonna be the Utah Mammoth.

Scott:

Okay. Like that. I like that.

Jamie:

And the Pacific, I have Edmonton. I have San Jose. Oh. Sharks, I'm making the fucking playoffs this year. Yeah.

Jamie:

Too much goddamn talent not to. Yeah. So I have Edmonton. I have the San Jose Sharks. I wanna pick the ducks so badly because the Guy Bear is just on with us.

Jamie:

I mean, god. How I not pick the Golden Knights? Jesus Christ. The Golden Knights. So Edmonton, San Jose, Vegas, and my wildcard is the Anaheim Ducks.

Scott:

Wow. Yep. Okay. Yep. Alright.

Scott:

So I'm gonna agree with you in the central, wild, avalanche, mammoth, and stars.

Jamie:

Okay. Which is... I'm curious. Which is your wildcard? Who do you think is the last one in?

Scott:

On that on that list?

Jamie:

Yeah. If you had to pick a wildcard from that one. Who's your last one in the door? You think

Scott:

it's mammoth? Okay.

Jamie:

Yeah. That's what I had too.

Scott:

Alright. And then for the Pacific Oil, Vegas, and sharks are in. Now, do I really think that the Ducks can do it? Or do I think it's gonna be... I think I'm...

Scott:

Who did I leave out? No, Jess. I'm not gonna... I'm gonna go with you, man. I think I'm I'm aligning with you on on the The Ducks?

Scott:

The ducks as well.

Jamie:

Talent, man.

Scott:

Yeah. I'm going with that as well.

Jamie:

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I I... The LA Kings probably will wind up sneaking into that spot, but the ducks are are more exciting

Scott:

to Kopitar's gone. Byfield's gotta have a big season.

Jamie:

He does. That's true. You're not right. Kopitar is gone.

Scott:

So we'll see. Alright, dude.

Jamie:

Yeah. It's good. Alright. Do we write these down? Yeah.

Jamie:

I

Scott:

I wrote them down.

Jamie:

Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Alright. Good.

Jamie:

Listen. We'll see, man, and we'll see how it goes. Hopefully, we do better than we did last year. We did not do well last year.

Scott:

No. But this is gonna be a good season. I can't wait to see what's happening later tonight.

Jamie:

I can't wait to see what's happening with, Connor Hellebuck.

Scott:

Yeah. Dylan Larkin too. Still that's not sorted?

Jamie:

That's right.

Scott:

Larkin's not sorted? Hella Book's not sorted.

Jamie:

They took the c off his chest.

Scott:

Yeah. Well, as well they should. No?

Jamie:

I mean, yeah, I I get it. I mean, I I I definitely get it.

Scott:

If you're not pulling on the same rope.

Jamie:

Yeah. I I... Listen. I I I get it. I definitely get it.

Jamie:

Listen. I I wouldn't mind doing Larkin on on the devils. I don't what they'd give up from, though.

Scott:

I wouldn't mind a hell of buck and Larkin. Can you imagine that?

Jamie:

God. It'd be so good,

Intro:

by the way.

Jamie:

Sunny, if you're listening.

Scott:

Sunny, make it happen. Let's go, buddy.

Jamie:

Get it go get it done.

Scott:

Yeah. I don't know if that's a Moneyball move or not, but it certainly sounds good.

Jamie:

Listen. Moneyball, I get... Yeah. Moneyball work... Definitely works in baseball.

Jamie:

That's for sure. Mhmm. I mean, just look at the fucking Tampa Bay Rays.

Scott:

Yeah. I mean, did you see Brad Pitt in that movie? Very convincing.

Jamie:

You know what's funny is, I I actually was watching that on a plane home from the

Scott:

Oh, were you?

Jamie:

From Notre Dame

Scott:

you would be watching Rudy or you watched that on the way there.

Jamie:

I didn't, actually.

Scott:

I kept Come on.

Jamie:

So the United's thing, United's, you know, entertainment system, I don't think had If they did, I didn't see it.

Scott:

Oh. Yeah.

Jamie:

Okay. On the on the way there, I watched, I actually watched I actually watched a good movie on the way there. I watched, the Deadpool and Wolverine movie.

Scott:

Okay. It was good?

Jamie:

It was actually pretty good. Yeah.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ryan Reynolds is funny as fuck.

Scott:

I've never seen a Deadpool or

Jamie:

You've seen Deadpool?

Scott:

I don't watch any of those movies.

Jamie:

I don't either. But I've seen Deadpool because it's like... Because I like Ryan Reynolds.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

So I've... I don't... But I'm not like a big Marvel, like, or, like, Avengers. Like, I'm not a big... You know?

Jamie:

I mean

Scott:

DC comic.

Jamie:

I've seen, like, the Iron Man. I saw the original Iron Man. Like, I saw that. Like, I've seen that stuff, but, like, but I... But Ryan Reynolds is funny.

Jamie:

Okay. So it's, a different type of movie. And then Hugh Jackman plays Wolverine.

Scott:

Yep.

Jamie:

Right? You know? So it was good. I watched it on the way down. On the way back, I watched a half of a league of their own with Tom Hanks.

Scott:

Sure.

Jamie:

There's no crying in baseball. This is the best line. He He calls the umpire. He calls... He says he says something to the effect of, like, you look like a penis with a little hat on or something like that.

Jamie:

Really, it's something along those lines. And and then and the ump turns to me. He goes, you're out. He goes, no. You misunderstood me.

Jamie:

He goes, you look like a penis with a hat on. He turns around and goes, you're out. He goes, no. No. No.

Jamie:

You misunderstood me. It was good. So I watched half of Elite of their Own and half of Moneyball.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

Yeah. Yeah.

Scott:

Alright. Well, it was good entertainment.

Jamie:

Yeah. Yeah. It was good entertainment.

Scott:

Anyway Alright. Yeah. And as far as next weekend, what do you got on tap hockey wise? Anything?

Jamie:

We have, back to, like, regular league play. Right? So we have... I think we have two games next weekend, that Nancy is going to be shuttling him back and forth to or, another hockey parent because we're obviously leaving for for for Atlanta. Hotlanta.

Jamie:

Friday morning. Yeah. And then, yeah, and then we have, like... I think we come back, and then there's the... We get a baker bash.

Scott:

Yep.

Jamie:

Right? So I think we have one game that weekend on a Friday. I think we have nothing Saturday, Sunday, which is surprising. Wow. Yeah.

Jamie:

And then we have another showcase, I think, down in, actually by Princeton.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

Yeah. Speaking of, I wonder if Princeton has a game. I would love to actually get our whole team down to a game. I have to look at the Princeton Ice Hockey schedule.

Scott:

How long for... Yeah. We head down there too if you're Yeah.

Jamie:

Are you are you in the same spot as us? Are you in the same spot as us?

Scott:

What do mean?

Jamie:

Like, are are you in the same showcase location?

Scott:

I don't know.

Jamie:

Are down in the Princeton area?

Scott:

I have no idea.

Jamie:

Okay. Cool. Alright.

Scott:

I'd have to look. But Yeah.

Jamie:

Shout out Prince and I thought you'd go meet us at the Baker Bash.

Scott:

There you go. It'd be fun. There you go. Everyone, come on, come all. Come check it out.

Scott:

October 10. Let's go.

Jamie:

Four to 6PM.

Scott:

Alright, dude. Yeah. I think that's a wrap.

Jamie:

Alright. Sounds good. Appreciate everybody listening.

Scott:

Yes, sir.

Jamie:

Always for following and subscribing to all of us and listening and putting up a lot of bullshit. We hope you guys are getting some entertainment and some information out of it. We're gonna keep bringing you cool stuff like Bill Parisi.

Scott:

Let's go.

Jamie:

Alright, buddy.

Scott:

Alright, dude. Later. Peace.