When life gets hard, does what we think we believe hold us up, or does it crumble under the weight of doubt? I'm your host, Dr. Lee Warren- I'm a brain surgeon, author, and a person who's seen some stuff and wondered where God is in all this mess. This is The Spiritual Brain Surgery podcast, where we'll take a hard look at what we believe, why we believe it, and the neuroscience behind how our minds and our brains can smash together with faith to help us become healthier, feel better, and be happier so we can find the hope to withstand anything life throws at us. You've got questions, and we're going to do the hard work to find the answers, but you can't change your life until you change your mind, and it's gonna take some spiritual-brain surgery to get it done. So let's get after it.
When life gets hard, does what we think we believe hold us up,
or does it crumble under the weight of doubt?
I'm Dr. Lee Warren, your host, and this is Spiritual Brain Surgery,
where we'll take a hard look at what we believe,
why we believe it, and the neuroscience behind how our minds and our brains
can work together to help us
build a bulletproof faith that will withstand anything life throws at us.
Whether you're struggling with anxiety, grief, doubt, or you just want to go
deeper into the big questions we all have.
Remember, you can't change your life until you change your mind,
and sometimes it takes spiritual brain surgery to get it done. So let's get after it.
Music.
Friend, we're back. It's a Sunday afternoon, and the wind is blowing about a
million miles an hour, Taka.
Yeah, that sounds about right. It's crazy. It's been five or six days like this.
It feels like we're back in Wyoming.
It's stunning to me because I can recall when you lived in Wyoming,
one October we were there and we were going to church and Patty spent the morning
fixing her hair and she walked outside the door and her hair just went straight.
Blew her hair straight up.
That's definitely a place where women wear ponytails and baseball caps because
it's not worth it. That's true.
That's true. Well, I'll tell you what, it's Sunday afternoon,
and that can only mean one thing. It's Tuesdays with Tata.
Yes, thank you. Welcome back. Thank you.
We are going to have a good talk today, friend. I thought it might be good.
When we first started doing this over 100 episodes ago, Tata, by the way.
Oh, I still have thought about that.
Over 100 episodes of Tuesdays with Tata have been amazingly recorded.
But when we first started doing this, the first couple of episodes we did were
sort of an introduction to who Tata is and why I was going to have a podcast with Tata.
So we did that a long time ago. And I thought maybe it's time since the show
has grown so much and there's so many thousands of people around the world listening
every week that maybe we should just have a conversation about background.
And maybe next time you can interview me, you can ask me questions.
But we'll do that today. I want to just ask Tata some questions.
And we're going to get to know him a little bit better. And maybe in so doing,
we'll get to know ourselves a little bit better, our own stories.
It's always good to do some introspection, isn't it, Tata? Yes.
That's good. So this is not so much interview as it is just some questions that
I think will be helpful for him to work through personally and us to learn from.
And so without further ado, Tata, here on Sunday, but Tuesdays with Tata.
I love it, right? We always record this on Sunday. I just want to ask first,
before we get into this conversation, Why don't you start us with a word of prayer?
Okay, let us pray. Father, thank you for this day and all of its blessings.
Father, thank you for being mindful of us.
Father, we praise your name and exalt you. You are the only true and living
God. And Father, we thank you for Jesus.
All of our blessings are important to us, but most of all, we thank you for Jesus.
Thank you for loving us so much. You sent your one and only son,
Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, to die for us.
And through his death on the cross, we were redeemed. You brought us back when we had no hope.
And now we have assurance of a home with you and through the blood of Jesus.
We have forgiveness of our sins.
And be mindful of us, Father. We thank you for being mindful of us,
watching over us, protecting us from harm, especially the little ones, Father.
We ask you to bless us, to lead us in your way, Father.
We rely on you and we trust you. We have confidence in you. And we ask you to
put your words on our heart, put your words on our lips for your glory.
And it's in Jesus' name we pray, your Son and our Redeemer. Amen. Amen. Thank you, Tata.
Well, I also want to say just quickly, we have some incredible guest hosts coming
up on spiritual brain surgery.
And we have, of course, John Seidel did two great episodes for us recently,
did a great job. And we had Leanne Ellington last year.
We got Christy Osborne and Mead Shirley coming up. They're going to share their story.
And a Christian author, Laura Smith, is going to do some episodes for us.
And we have some others that will be coming up soon.
Jess Couch from Sober Sis is going to do an episode.
So we have a lot of fascinating guest hosts coming up, and we're grateful for that.
And if you have an idea for an author or a thought leader or somebody that you
think might be a good guest for me and Tata to have a conversation with sometime, send us an email.
Contact at drleewarren.com. We're looking always for new and interesting things
to talk about around here.
So contact at drleewarren.com. Our assistant, Lauren, will get back to you.
And all of you that are in the sound of our voice, please know that,
and I echo what Lee's comments.
We have concern for you because of the turmoil that maybe they're experiencing right now.
And there's parts of the world where there's all kinds of conflict,
and we're concerned about that as well.
So just be mindful of the fact that you're not forgotten.
But first of all, God knows where you are.
God knows what's on your heart, but at the same time, we have concerns about you as well.
That's right. We're with you and we're for you, friend, and today we're going
to have a conversation with Tata.
So first question, Tata, how old were you when you became a Christian?
Well, I thought about that, and what the definition of a Christian is,
a Christ follower. That's right.
But, and I've said this before, but I don't recall not being in church.
But I was age 13, and it wasn't one of those kind of things that said,
if you go, I'll go. If you do it, I'll do it. Right.
But I was prompted to do it. I felt compelled to be baptized.
And I can remember distinctly what was going on. It was one of those things,
and you remember those, the revivals. Yeah.
And Edgar Furr was leading that. And Austin Taylor was a song leader.
And we'll talk more about him as well.
And I remember it vividly, more so than we could probably imagine,
because it was January and the baptistry was not heated.
Oh, boy. Yeah, it was cold. It was cold in that little town where we were.
But And it was a time of reflection for me because I always felt like there
was something missing in my life.
And that was the point for me.
And we've talked about this before as well, but at some point in my life,
I came to the conclusion that I knew a lot of things about God,
but I didn't know who He was. Yeah.
And there's a big gap between that.
Yeah, I think we need to dig into that a little bit more in a minute.
So that was kind of one of the other questions I was going to ask you.
So in our upbringing, and Tata and I were both raised in the same faith tradition,
there was a moment at which you chose to be publicly baptized that was considered
the time at which you would have become a Christian. Yes.
And that's different than some traditions where you say a prayer and ask Jesus
in your heart and have a private conversation with him in your own home or whatever,
and it can happen privately.
But in our tradition, it was basically you weren't considered a Christian until
you publicly confessed and were baptized in the water as a grown person.
You could be a child, but you weren't an infant.
And so you had to have been able to make a conscious decision to do that.
And so that leads to the question, and I think you addressed a little bit of
it, But you remember the moment when you were baptized at which you would have
been accepted by the church and by your family as having started your relationship with Jesus.
Was there a time later in your life when you came to know Jesus in a different
way that you felt like may have been the start of a different kind of relationship? Oh, absolutely.
We've talked about some of this, but some of the tragedies or the turmoil that
we've experienced. and, first of all, losing Rebecca, our first daughter.
And we talked about that as well because I was in OCS, which is Officer's Candidate
School at Fort Benny then, and my mother-in-law got me a three-day pass through
the Red Cross when Patty was in the hospital. Wow.
And during that time, all I had time to do was be with Patty and be with our
daughter for a short time and then bury her.
Because she did not survive very long after being born.
So it was, but I've thought about that so many times because what my only concern,
my concern was really not for myself, but for Patty.
I was concerned, but I mean, the question I had, will she be able to make it on her own?
Because I couldn't, I couldn't leave. Right. Because like the drill sergeant
told us that, you know, over our heart was the U.S.
Army and our name was over the other side. But it was a time that I felt like
that I didn't rail against God.
I wasn't mad at him.
And then the other times were with James, our son, when he was killed. He was 24.
And then when Patty passed away. and we've talked about that as well and some
of the things that took place during that and I remember distinctly sitting
in a room at my youngest daughter's house,
with Steve Doss and I was with him when his wife died she died of AAA or at
least that's what they thought it was but,
But I came, I just felt like that, I don't know what I felt like. I wasn't, I was upset.
I grieved about that.
I wished I could have done more. I didn't know if I did enough.
But I told Steve that the only two things that I wanted to do in my life that
really meant anything was to be a good servant for God. and a good servant for my wife.
And that's where I was. But in those moments when I was by myself,
that I'm trying to think through this thing in the middle of the night,
I would find myself standing by her bed.
And that's when she was in hospice.
And I couldn't believe what was happening at the same time. But I didn't ask
God, why are you letting this happen?
If you're a good God, I didn't ask those questions.
I don't know what happened to me. I almost disappeared. I lost 20 pounds when she was sick.
And I lost taste for any kind of food or drink. And so I don't know,
but I just knew that I had to get through the days.
And that I was going to be by myself.
We were married 57 years, and you can't imagine the closeness that you develop.
Well, of course you can, but the closeness that you develop during that period of time.
But it is overwhelming sometimes when you think about it, because there were
some good times and there were some bad times, and there were some hard times
and there were easy times.
But I just came to the conclusion, in fact, as I caught myself once bargaining with God,
I said, don't you remember all the things that I did and all the bedsides that
I stood by and all the people's hands that I held when they passed away?
And then I said to myself, what's wrong with you? Of course he knows that.
So what does he want to do? But the one thing that out of all of that,
I came into a very closer relationship with him.
I understood more about myself, and I think I understood more about him.
But that was hard. And I don't know what to say to anyone that's going through that right now.
I would like to hear them out. Right. But that's probably the best thing you can do.
Someone said a long time ago, silence is golden. Yeah.
But like I'm reading right now about Job and, you know, when his friends came,
they sat for seven days, didn't say anything.
And then they started talking. Biggest mistake they ever made.
They should have stayed quiet longer. They should have stayed quiet for the
rest of the time that they were there.
But anyway, I spent a lot of time examining myself.
And I don't know. I didn't ask, well, what can I do for you?
What can I do to make this better?
What do I have to do? And then I asked him to help me.
And I told him and I understand now full completely what he meant when he said
apart from me you can do nothing and Jesus said that himself,
and that is when that dawns on you or when you fully understand that,
your comprehension of what's happening to you is probably clearer you begin
to understand much clearer,
and excuse me, but.
Those moments, and that's like when Rebecca passed away, our first child,
I didn't really come to grips with it until I was back at Fort Benny,
and I don't recall this man's name today.
His last name is McWilliams. Found me in a shower laying on the floor crying
about three o'clock in the morning.
I don't even I can't even think how I got from there from from Columbus Georgia
to Corpus Christi I don't have any idea.
I don't know how I got from Corpus Christi, Texas to Columbus,
Georgia I have no I have no no comprehension of that. Wow.
I don't even know how I got from the airport to the two of my barracks Wow it
was just a After a time Everything's just ceased to function, right? Nothing works,
you have a thought, and you don't know what to do with it. Right.
Or you ask, where did it come from? That's right.
But in those moments by myself and with God, and facing those situations,
that's when I came to the conclusion, I can't do this by myself.
I always knew that.
Somewhere in my mind I knew that, but I didn't really know that.
I think that's what I wanted to get at a little bit, because I think a lot of
us, especially in faith traditions that are...
Somewhat legalistic, and if you're not familiar with that term,
that's a term we use when we're saying that there's a perception that you need to do some things. Yes.
You need to check off some boxes in order to be acceptable to God.
You have to do the works and not have... You have to have the faith,
but the works are more important.
Right, a little bit sort of a grace versus works kind of thing.
And so if you're in one of those traditions, it's a little bit more on the legalistic side.
Then there can be a sense especially when
you're young because there's this pressure in our culture in
that in that group at least when i was growing up the pressure
are you baptized yet are you baptized when you're going to get baptized
yeah because everybody starts to be concerned about you going to
hell if you die and you're not baptized yet
and so there's a there's a
moment then when you publicly are okay now he's baptized everybody
can relax he's okay you know um but i
guess what i'm what i'm getting at is there's a difference
between that that youthful fear-based decision
that you make or as you said earlier kind of inclusion based
you want to be part of the group you want to make sure you're not the only one
in the youth group that hasn't been baptized yet or the last one or whatever
so so there's some of that peer pressure culture stuff there's some of its fear
of being lost or going to hell or whatever but then there comes a time and i've
talked to lots of people about this and i've had the experience myself and i'm
sure we'll talk about at some point.
There comes a time when you grasp onto Jesus in a clear-eyed.
Adult, intellectual way when you recognize that He's the only thing that you
really can grab on. That's right.
And that's a different type of salvation moment than when you're 11 or 13 and
you're getting baptized or you're saying the sinner's prayer or you're doing
whatever you do so that you can accomplish a certain thing that you're expected
to accomplish. They're different.
And so I'm not saying that you're not saved at those earlier times in your life.
I'm not saying that you are saved only.
When you have that desperate, Jesus is the only thing. I think it's an important
distinction that we need to recognize, because all of us are ready to sign up, I think.
As Jesus as Savior, but the other role He plays is Jesus as Lord,
and that's when, are you really at that place in your life when you're ready
to let Him call the shots, which is what you said.
You told that story before. I give up. I'm taking my hands off the wheel.
I don't know what to do. I got no control.
I need you to take care of me. I'll do whatever you say.
And so that difference between sort of youth and adult clear-eyed,
I'm making this decision because I don't have another decision I can make.
And so maybe parse that out. What would your words be for somebody who maybe
has always been a Christian, they grew up in it, they were baptized as an infant,
they don't know any other thing, or they had a child conversion experience or whatever,
but they haven't yet had that moment.
And now they're in this massive thing moment in their life.
What's your advice for that person in relation to what they can find when they
turn to Jesus with that type of advice?
Tie all of this in a bow about what you said just a few minutes ago.
When James was killed, Patty, I don't know when it was in time,
but she dug me out of a closet one morning, screaming.
And when it finally dawned on me, because then And we had a conversation about whose fault it was.
And she said, Patty told me, she said, you can't take that away from me.
It's my fault. And I said, no, it's not your fault.
It's nobody's fault. But then it dawned on me what I was looking at is this was God's plan.
It was his watch and it was his way.
Have his way with me. End of discussion. And we haven't had that talk again.
Because you can't really accept anything other than that. That's right.
If you don't want to go crazy.
That's right. Because when you lose a child, as both of us have done,
when you get in a situation that you absolutely cannot control,
then the only place you can turn is to him as Savior and Lord. That's right.
Then you can find some sanity and start trying to put your feet down on something
that makes sense. That's right. That's exactly right.
But what could I say to someone that's in the middle of their trauma right now?
Now, please understand that trauma is a very interesting word,
and it's hard to define and hard to really bring to conclusion in our mind.
But what basically happens to us is that everything changes and we're thrown
off track. That's right.
It looks like yesterday is different from today.
But what happened to me, and what I would talk to people about is, I experienced it from,
and please know that there is no formula, there's no steps, I don't have any concept of that.
What I have a concept of is grief and guilt.
The grief i had was experiencing the loss the the person is no longer there
right i can't talk to them the
guilt i had and i still suffer with it to some degree is did i do enough,
what else could i have done for patty there had to be something else i didn't
i don't know what else there is, but there had to be something else.
And in the case of Rebecca and James, I felt the same way.
What could I do? So as you look at the grief that you're in and the turmoil
that you're in and the trauma that you're in, friends, always remember that you're not alone.
And that's one thing that you automatically suffer with. I think it was C.S.
Lewis, and one of his books said something about he wished that somebody had
told him that grief felt a lot like fear.
And that's a word, or fear, that's a sensation.
I know I've experienced it, and I have fear of it today.
But one of the things as a child, I was fearful of the dark.
And so we lived out in the country then, and so I just woke up one night in
the middle of the night and walked to the end of our property.
Five acres that I walked through, and then I walked back.
And then I was not afraid to go in the dark anymore. Because I said to myself,
if he's out there, he's going to get me anyway. So why worry about it?
But overcoming fear and grief and loss is a very difficult thing.
And I know people have all kinds of platitudes that they will give you.
You'll be okay over time.
Over time, you will not feel it as bad as you did before.
And I remember distinctly having lunch with a man. And I remember visiting his
wife when she was in hospice.
And the fact is, I did her funeral.
And he reminded me then that she'd been gone for 14 years.
And he still felt like an invalid. He couldn't move. He had a hard time.
It was difficult for him.
And so I don't know what that feels like over time.
So what I would suggest to you is, first of all, you have to admit to yourself,
I can't do this by myself, and then ask God for help.
And maybe he'll tell you, maybe he won't.
But just asking him, put yourself in a different position with him.
Then you look at him face to face and you're saying, please help me, I can't do this.
And when you do that, when you change your posture in relation to God and about
how you position yourself, and if you're not railing at him or shaking his fist
at him, well, that's fine. He can take it too. He's a big God.
He can take it if you get angry with him. Take it if he gets mad, you get mad at him.
But one of the things that I know clearly now, and I pray that you,
if you're going through some kind of difficult situation like that,
that you learn eventually that you cannot do it by yourself.
Three things to say, and then another question. The first is in response to what you quoted C.S.
Lewis, and I just read that a couple of days ago because I was looking for that
quote, and it's in his book, A Grief Observed.
And if you've been through something really hard, especially if you've lost
a child or a spouse or a parent, I think that's still a timeless reference.
It's such a short little book, but so powerful after C.S. Lewis lost his wife.
But that line is the very first line of the whole book.
And what he says is, no one ever told me that grief felt so like fear.
I'm not afraid, but the sensation is like being afraid. The same fluttering
in the stomach, the same restlessness, the yawning. I keep on swallowing.
He's describing exactly what it feels like.
He's just describing. Secondly, I would say that...
When you have gone through some great loss or through some great trial, as you're describing,
whether it's grief or something that you've been fighting for for a long time
and you finally realize it's never going to happen or you've been praying for
something for years and it isn't happening,
whatever it is, these massive things that come along in our lives,
the thing to remember is that the way you get through those things is with this prehab process.
What was the role that Scripture and things that you had read and believed and
treasured in your heart played in you getting through those moments?
How did that work for you? Well, the one that comes to mind,
and I'm very mindful of it, is 1 Peter 5, 7, cast all of your anxieties on him
because he cares for you.
And early on, that's what Patty told me she was experiencing, anxiety.
And early on, I gave that to her as a memory verse. But I had been resting in that for a long time.
But the other one that really I've thought about so many times is John 3, 16.
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son,
that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. But then the next part.
For God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world,
but to save the world through him.
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe,
he stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.
So that leaves all of the questions on a moot note. What do you say?
And the question, it causes a question, though. Can it be that easy?
I just have to believe in him?
Well, it's not just that. David said very clearly in the Psalms that I call
on his name. That's right.
And I'm very, very open about that because I call out to God a lot and say,
I can't do this. Help me with this. That's right.
And so that's, but what I would say to you is don't trust yourself to work all the details out of it.
And don't dismiss people that they're good nature, that people that come to help you.
Don't dismiss them out of hand, but rely on them to some degree the best you can.
But rely first of all on God. That's right.
If you stop and think about the process, and I know that there are some people
that say, I don't believe that.
It's a fairy tale that Jesus Christ was God's one and only son.
I can only believe what he says.
And the question is very simple. What if it is true?
Will you bet your life on it? Will you bet your soul on it?
No. That's right. But trust, and that's a hard thing to do when you're,
and to look for him in the situation is very difficult as well.
Because, first of all, we can't see his face, and we can't have a conversation
with him, but we can sense his presence if we're open to it. That's right.
If we're not open to it, we won't since it's present.
And I think we'll get to that place with prayer. Prayer and contemplative prayer, especially this quiet.
You have to spend some time before the Lord seeking him. As Jesus said,
ask and it will be given, seek and you will find.
Like if you don't look for him and listen for him, you're not going to find
him because he's a gentleman.
He doesn't come charging into your life and blow the doors off the hinges and all that.
I want to say, before I forget, it popped into my head a minute ago,
when you were talking about Job, the great Ann Voskamp, in her brand-new book,
Loved to Life, which I highly recommend. It's a 40-day prayer journey.
She talks about Job, and she makes the point, as we've talked about before,
that Job asked God why, and for 40 chapters, he never got an answer. No.
And the book ends without him ever getting an answer. What did God do,
though, in Job 40, when God finally speaks? He gets tired of all the fussing
and all the complaining, and he finally speaks. And what does he do?
He spends a whole chapter not answering why, but telling Job who he is. That's right.
So the punchline for us, as Ann said in her book, she's coming back to the podcast,
by the way. We're going to talk again next week.
But as she said, we don't need to know why, and why will never satisfy.
That's right. If you knew right now why Rebecca died, it wouldn't take away
the ache. If I knew why Mitch died, it wouldn't make me stop being sad.
What makes me able to have hope, what made you able to have hope, is who?
You know who he is. And you know what he can do and what he will do.
And that's the difference between faith and hope, as we've talked about.
Faith is just you can believe that God can do the things he says he can do,
and hope is the belief that he'll do them for you.
When you're in that closet, when you're in that shower. No, thank you.
And please know, I always want to take out a caveat.
And I don't know, maybe that's in my nature too, but please understand that we're no different.
We have clay feet. I have clay feet.
But we've lived through things that you can live through too as well. That's right.
And so my grandfather told me that there was an old Irish expression that,
that when an Irishman died and they buried him and there was a few good men
there that could say it was good that he was here well that's important yes,
but what did God think about that,
that's the question you have to ask that's right So all of those things,
being what they are, that's where we have to be.
And you have to understand that being in a communion with God is not easy for Him.
Maybe it's easy for Him, but it's not easy for us.
Because first of all, we have to admit that we're a sinner. That's right.
And some of us don't like to do that.
But we have to admit, we have to say to ourselves, and we have to say to him, yes, I am.
And Lisa taught me this too, the mercy prayer. Lord, have mercy on me for I am a sinner.
And that's meaningful. Yeah, when we talk about, when we have these kinds of
conversations, we're not putting ourselves on this podcast so that you can learn
from the two perfect people who know everything.
But here's a good example. When I got to Iraq.
As a neurosurgeon, there was a neurosurgeon, Pete Lennerson,
had been there four months, and he was getting ready to come home.
We overlapped by a couple of weeks.
At that point, Pete had done hundreds of brain surgeries.
He'd survived hundreds of mortar attacks. He had been the only neurosurgeon
working after the Battle of Fallujah,
took care of dozens of blown-up Marines and saved a lot of lives.
And so here I was, board-certified neurosurgeon, lots of experience,
just got off the plane and walking into the trauma center in Iraq there, and there was Pete.
So we're the same age. We finished training at the same time.
But if somebody had walked into that hospital right then and said,
what's the best way to take care of somebody who gets blown up in a car bomb.
They should have asked Pete.
That's right. Because he'd been through a whole bunch of car bombings. That's right.
And I knew a lot about neurosurgery, but I hadn't lived that experience yet.
It doesn't mean he was better than me or smarter than me or anything else.
He just had been through the bombings and had been through the things.
So I think when we're having conversations and when you know people in your
life who have been through some things, they're reasonable to turn to when you
go through some things. That's right.
And so don't ever feel like, well, I think that the best way to pivot is that
whatever you're going through right now, friend, a good way to find a way to
survive it is to give it purpose and then be able to help other people when they go through it.
That's what Brad and Jill Sullivan did. We had them on the show last week after
they lost their daughters.
Dana Gage, after her son drowned, Kristen Smedley, when her two sons were born blind.
Good people to turn to now because they've been through it and they can talk about it.
So that's why we wanted to have this conversation with you today, Tata.
Thank you. Just get to know you a little bit better and give some people some
things to think about when they go through some hard things.
So thank you for being vulnerable. Thank you.
A good conversation. Thank you. I guess we usually finish the conversation by
me taking something that you just said and asking you, when should we start?
But since we didn't have a good place to land there, I guess I'll just say it.
If people are going to change their minds and change their lives,
when should they start? They start today. They start today.
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