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TimestampsThe Silvercore Podcast explores the mindset and skills that build capable people. Host Travis Bader speaks with hunters, adventurers, soldiers, athletes, craftsmen, and founders about competence, integrity, and the pursuit of mastery, in the wild and in daily life. Hit follow and step into conversations that sharpen your edge.
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Travis Bader: I've lost track of the
number of times I've sat around a
campfire and discussed with others strange
things that we've heard, things that
we've seen that we just can't explain.
Case in point, there's a video I'm
playing right now, if you're watching
this instead of listening, of
Unidentified object flying in the air.
This video was taken by a friend,
highly reputable, and is going to be
referenced later on in the podcast.
These odd phenomena may have a
simple explanation and it may
just elude us at this time.
But it drove me to want to
investigate a little bit deeper.
And this was the advent
of today's podcast.
We're joined today by a fellow who's
dedicated so much time and energy
to Helping people understand things
that are beyond comprehension.
If you haven't already heard of today's
guest, I would highly recommend.
Check out the links in the bio it's
area 52 and with Christmas just around
the corner, if you haven't found that
certain gift for that special someone,
or maybe you're looking for something for
yourself, there's links in the bio should
be a link up top here somewhere as well.
The Silvercore club is specifically
designed to help get you outside safely,
comfortably, and allow you to deepen your
connection with the natural environment.
Without further ado, let's
get on with the podcast.
I'm joined today by a master of
mystery and exploration, someone who's
captivated millions with his sleight of
hand, his deep dives into the world's
most intricate puzzles, and now his
exploration of the unknown with Area 52.
Whether it's unlocking the secrets of
a puzzle box, performing impossible
feats of magic, or delving into the
mysteries of UAPs and consciousness,
his work challenges us to see the world.
Differently.
Welcome to the Silvercore
podcast, Chris Ramsey.
Chris Ramsay: Thank you so
much for that introduction.
My goodness.
I didn't know you were going
that hard in the paint.
That is a much appreciated.
Travis Bader: We've got to start it off.
Right.
You know, you
Chris Ramsay: got a
good reading voice too.
I mean, your audience knows this
already, but yeah, very soothing.
Travis Bader: You know, the, the
number one comment that I get back
regarding my voice is, uh, what is it?
Uh, Neil deGrasse Tyson.
They say I sound like a
white Neil deGrasse Tyson.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.
Like a Canadian version.
I don't wait.
Is he Canadian?
He's not Canadian.
Is he?
Travis Bader: I don't know.
Um, I honestly don't know.
I should look into it, but,
uh, yeah, I've heard that one.
Yeah.
So I've, I've been
following you for a while.
Um, so when I was a kid, my very
first job was performing magic.
I, yeah, yeah.
I started grade four.
I learned how to pick locks in grade four.
I love the puzzle of picking
locks and getting into things
that I really shouldn't be into.
And I started doing magic then
as well and did that grade
four, grade five, grade six.
And, Then moved on to mowing
lawns and washing cars and
delivering papers and all the rest.
But, uh, I've always kind of had
that little bit of interest into
the world of magic and your.
That's where you started.
You started with that
with YouTube, didn't you?
Chris Ramsay: Yep.
Absolutely.
Got into that, uh, I think
maybe a dozen years ago now.
Um, you know, I've been much like
you and I think like a lot of young
boys, especially like we're for
some reason attracted to being a spy
or, you know, a superhero of sorts
and, you know, most of the time.
We outgrow that.
Uh, not my case, we're still, we're still,
you know, uh, still, still attracted to
that in some way, you know, but that's
also the reason why we'd like these
type of movies and why we like imagining
ourselves in these precarious positions.
Uh, you know, You know, um, or, or why we
have this affinity for these gadgets, you
know, like, uh, these little intricate
electronics or, or every day carry it.
I think it all stems back to like our
childhood dream of becoming a spy or
some, you know, secret government project
of human enhancement or something.
Like it's, it's what we all really want.
You know, and then we settle for
life, but like, if somebody came
out of the shadows, it was like, Mr.
Ramsey.
You know, I'm, I'm in
the CIA come with us.
I'd be like, I drop everything.
A
Travis Bader: hundred percent.
I'm on board.
Let's go.
Chris Ramsay: So that's, I think
that's where the love of, you know,
magic comes from for me is like being
able to sort of in a way be a spy,
be, you know, pretend to be something
I'm not, uh, and get away with it.
And there's something really
cool about that and very fun
and like exhilarating about it.
Travis Bader: I heard that when
you go traveling, you will do your
best to To impersonate the, the
language as best as possible, to
see if someone calls you out or not.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.
I've done it a bunch of times,
especially like in England.
Uh, in those places.
Um, yeah, absolutely.
I think it's, you know, it's,
it's just like my fun little game
that I'm like, well, you know,
there are, and, and obviously.
They believe no matter what you say, no
matter how bizarre your accent is, they'll
just say, Oh, he was, you know, he was
raised in a strange household, I guess.
But, you know, it's just like this
fun little game, but again, not
too far from being a magician.
You know, we're pretending to
do magic is what we're doing.
Uh, so I think, uh, the same
time, the truer I am to that
fiction, the more immersive the
experience is for the audience.
Uh, if I don't commit
fully to, you know, such a.
Uh, a persona that will be sensed
by the audience and therefore
the magic won't play as well.
And so I think, you know, it's, it's
a magician's job to, again, we're not
lying if we're true to our fiction.
So we're both aware that magic isn't real.
So let's get that out of the way.
Now I'm going to pretend to be a
magician instead of actually convincing
you that I have magic powers, right?
Which is a no, no.
So it's, there's this like balancing
act, but it does come down to, I
think, um, a bit of a perf, uh, like
it's a performance art and you have
to fully commit with these things.
Travis Bader: See, that was my, from
an outsider's perspective looking in, I
wouldn't have put two and two together
about being the James Bond sleuth spy.
Uh, but I see it now when I look at your
work and I see, I definitely see that.
Uh, but the thing that jumps out to me is
that you're an artist first and foremost.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah, there's a, there's
definitely, there's definitely like,
yeah, I mean, I think I, I'm just
someone who selfishly needs to create.
Um, you know, and that's always, always,
always, always been a, you know, a problem
and a gift or like whatever it is, it's,
it's been, but it's been a reality for me.
And I think for a lot of creatives out
there, you probably yourself included,
um, there's just that unrelenting,
unrelenting, Uh, need to create, to,
to, to express yourself selfishly, uh,
in a weird way, you know what I mean?
And that's why like, I have a hard
time accepting, you know, some forms of
compliments when it comes to my stuff.
Cause some people are like, Oh, you
know, you helped me out during a rough
time or, you know, I turned to your
videos during COVID or whatever it was.
Right.
And.
For myself, I'm like, cool.
And I appreciate that and truly am like
appreciative of that type of energy.
But at the same time, I have a hard
time accepting a compliment like that.
Cause like for me, the main
goal wasn't to inspire you.
The main goal was to share
what I'm passionate about.
In a selfish, creative way,
because that's all I want to do.
The side effect is helping
people out, which I love.
I love that that's the side effect.
But I will never say, like, that's
why I do it, for people like you.
Like, I, I just don't, I'm, I'm selfish.
I, I do it because I feel a creative need.
I have to get it out, you know?
And that's just the way it is.
Travis Bader: Are you emotionally
invested in the things that you create
to the point where if it doesn't hit
the way that you figure it should,
that, uh, that starts changing
how you'll create the next one or.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah, yes, yes.
And no, like there is a line that
you have to separate yourself
from, I think, from your content.
Uh, you know, your content as
much as it is an extension of
who you are and your expression.
You also have to remember that,
you know, I'm doing it for me.
I'm literally doing this for me.
I'm doing this because I enjoy
it because it brings me joy.
Yes.
Okay.
You know, uh, success will come from it
or, you know, all these other cool things.
But like, the main thing is, is
like, I have to really enjoy this.
And so I think once you have that, it
becomes a lot easier to accept criticism
because you're like, sometimes, you
know, and sometimes I'm like, when a
lot of people say things, I'm like,
okay, I guess I didn't see it like that.
And, you know, okay, maybe it
was something to think about.
But most of the times I'm just delusional
and I'll just be like, just wait.
You don't understand the full vision yet.
That's why you're, you're
saying this, you know?
So I do have that side of me as well.
But, um, yeah, I think as I grow older,
I try not to put as much value on the.
Comments of others when it comes
to my own art, I just think that
the more you do that, the more
you stray from your own path.
And that can be positive
criticism as well.
You know, it's not just simply all
the negative stuff, but sometimes,
you know, when people are like,
do this again, or keep doing this,
that will also shape your path.
And I, you know, for me, it's
very important that I follow that
initial vision that I had, which
got me here in the first place.
Um, because I, I have found myself.
Being detracted and, you know,
onto listening to what people want.
And then eventually all I'm doing
is like feeding this monster.
Totally.
Uh, so, you know, it's, it's
important to really just, you know,
make yourself happy in the process.
Travis Bader: So when you say that
success will follow, you go out, you
follow your passion, success will follow.
And I believe that.
And I've always said that.
I mean, if you chase money, You're
always going to be chasing money.
You're always going to be behind it.
If you chase fame, you're
always going to be behind it.
It's just like, I want to be happy.
Well, you're presupposing you
aren't and you're chasing something.
Um, what is success look like to you?
You know,
Chris Ramsay: um, I don't, I don't
think there's a goal, you know, I
don't think there's an end goal.
In that sense, I never
really had an end goal.
Um, I, you know, the cliche thing
would be to like, the journey
is the destination type deal.
Like that's, that's the,
that's the whole point of this.
And you know, there's, there's a lot,
there's a lot to think about, especially
in recent years when, you know, I've
gained, uh, a certain type of, Uh,
success due to the work that I did, uh,
monetarily, but also like, you know,
I'll travel, I'll get like the cool
experiences and all these other things.
And at the end of the day,
you're still wanting, right?
You're still wanting.
So it's like, what are,
what am I wanting then?
Like, what is there to attain?
Like in, I guess there's more, I
guess there's more, but at the end
of the day, you really have to be
sort of happy with the little things.
And, you know, like, like you said,
You can chase that money, but,
you know, for me, I have a lot of
fun just doing what it is I do.
And then when I, when I'm
in it, I'm enjoying it.
I'm I'm in that.
And for me, that's the whole point.
Um, because other than that, I'm just
going to keep chasing the next thing.
And I'm, I'm kind of sick of it.
I'm kind of, you know, I'm,
I'm, I'm sick of that being,
being in that hamster wheel.
And just, I just want to make cool shit.
That's basically
Travis Bader: it.
All right.
I can see that, you know, it was, uh,
famously Rockefeller was quoted, uh,
reporter says, man, you got so much money.
How much more do you need?
And he says, 1 more.
Yeah.
Right.
It's stuck in that.
What, just one more, just one more.
Yeah.
And you can bury him with all that
Chris Ramsay: money too, at the end
of the day, you know, that's it.
What do you got?
Yeah.
There's that, there's that old joke
where like this, the widow, you know,
she was like, uh, the husband was
like greedy and he's like, I want
you to bury me with all my money.
Yeah.
And so she signed a check in
his coffin and was like, you
can cash it whenever you want.
Travis Bader: Yeah.
Yeah.
It's about as worthless as that is.
Yeah.
Money has always been an interesting
thing for me, you know, growing up,
didn't have much and, uh, always.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, uh, I, um, it's, I I've
never placed much value in it.
I, the more I build, the more I
have, it's like that fight club
thing, what you own owns you, right?
The more things that you, um, acquire
and I've, you know, growing up,
I was always a bit of a hoarder.
Cause like I got something, I worked
so hard to get it and I got to hold
onto this thing and I can't let it go.
And, um, it was funny recently.
I was actually a couple of days
ago cleaning out some old books.
I came up with a few here.
Uh, From when I was performing
magic secrets, Houdini.
Um, Magic with cards.
I don't know if you've
seen any of these ones.
Um, Mark Wilson's
complete course in magic.
Have you seen these ones before?
I've not, no, these are new to me.
Magic digest.
This was, this was, these were
my Bibles when I was a kid.
101 amazing magic tricks.
Wow.
This is great.
But here's one that, uh,
you might actually know.
Um, it's called, um, Magic is dead.
There you go, my buddy, Ian.
Yeah.
Tell me about that one.
That's kind of a neat one.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah, that's a fun, uh,
this is a fun period of my life where,
um, you know, everything was, it was
at the height of like the magic stuff,
not only for myself, but I think for
magic, uh, in general online, well,
niches in general, I think about.
2017, 2016 to 2019 was a bit of a,
um, I would say just for every single
niche was everything was blown up.
Everything, you could look at every niche
and it was just, you know, whether it
was kendama or whether it was any other
skill based hobby or anything at all,
the niches were just growing and magic
was really gaining a lot of popularity.
And during that time.
Uh, I'd go to this convention
in Blackpool, England, a
real shithole of a place.
And sorry, shout out to people who live
in Blackpool, but you know what I mean.
It's like, it's like if
Chernobyl and Vegas had a baby.
It's really bizarre and depressing.
Um, a lot of crime, just gross.
Anyways, um, sorry to
all the black people.
You know what I'm saying though, right?
As a tourist, like you understand.
So anyways, there's this convention there
that, that houses about 4, 000 magicians.
The biggest magic convention in the
world is held in this beautiful hall in
Blackpool, um, and the winter gardens.
It's just absolutely beautiful.
And I had a friend, well, who's now
a friend, but a person reached out to
me, Ian Fresh, who is a journalist.
And he was writing a story.
I pitched him on this, but basically,
a story for Wired magazine, Um,
about this secret organization
within magic, this sort of, I guess,
brotherhood or fraternity of, uh,
magicians, uh, known as the 52.
And, um, it was something I was a part
of along with a bunch of other magicians.
And we wouldn't really share,
you know, anything about it.
And he thought, man, this
is a really cool story.
This is like, you know,
underground magic stuff.
And I was like, yeah.
And I'm like, this stuff is cool.
Like if you're coming in from the outside,
look, going to a magic convention,
you're probably like, what is that even?
Right.
So, um, you know, but it's just like
any other conventions, people selling
things, buying things and, you know,
trading information and just, you know,
Being really passionate about, you know,
what it is they love and sharing that.
So I bring him along and he starts
writing this story and we did some
really amazing things to this guy.
Uh, by the end of which, like
we said, we're going to turn
this guy into a magician.
Like we felt it, he got the
bug and sure enough, he did
start practicing after that.
And, um, yeah, we did things to him
that like, I mean, I ended up paying
for a A bar tab with napkins, uh,
which like kind of blew his mind.
Um, and we got into, yeah, we got into
another, we got into a club, um, which
had like a massive lineup on the outside.
And I got 20 magicians in all
dudes, like no curls in front
of that line by doing magic.
And then like, I remember at one
point, it was such a cool like
culmination of everything, but the,
uh, we had a photographer with us
who had this, you know, big camera
with a flashbulb and whatever.
And, uh, we get into the
club, it's jam packed.
There's like a dance floor.
Then there's the bar.
There's the VIP section, which was
like roped off and wasn't really open.
And I was like, all right,
camera guy, follow me.
I want you to follow me through
the dance floor and just like snap
pictures of me with a flash on and
he's like, he's like, all right, but
he's like, my card's full right now.
I was like, don't, don't matter.
Just doesn't even have to be
pictures and I'll put my hood on.
You just follow me down through.
So we did this, everybody.
Dance floor turning around and be
like, what the hell's going on here?
And you see a guy trying to hide his
face, get through, we get to the bar.
We're like, we got to open
that VIP section immediately.
They're like, no problem, sir.
They opened the VIP set, they
give us bottle service, you know?
And so it was all these
like really cool events.
He was documenting this the whole time.
And he's like, dude, I
think there's a book here.
And then he, uh, you know, he, he, he
made, um, magic is dead, which is the
catchphrase of a buddy of mine, Daniel
Madison, and, um, a magician as well.
And he wrote that book about his
experience and journey into the 52, where
he eventually ended up becoming a member.
Travis Bader: Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's pretty cool.
Yeah.
The, uh, the proper application of
subterfuge to, uh, to get yourself
into a, a nightclub that's, um.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.
We use that stuff all the time and
that's what's really cool about hanging
around magicians is like you finally.
Get to see, um, the cool side
of magic rather than the hokey,
you know, hokeyness of it.
Yeah.
Travis Bader: Well, like the,
I like the context of it all.
And then of course, magic isn't dead,
but it's just what magic was, is
dead compared to what magic is now.
And I think it's making a, uh, Uh, it
is pushing people's boundaries while
knowing we're gonna push your boundaries.
Yeah.
We're, we're gonna fool you.
It isn't actually a
black art, but, um, yeah.
And you're using social media to
be able to, to push that forward.
Exactly, yeah.
In a way that people haven't in the past.
Mm-hmm . You've been vocal on, uh,
social media, even vocal on YouTube
about some of the, uh, the struggles
of, uh, um, of being a creator and then
getting locked into these algorithms.
Mm-hmm . What works one
day doesn't work the next.
And, uh, how engagement, uh, you can
hit all over, but the actual engagement
is, is, uh, not where it should be.
Uh, I thought that was kind of an
interesting, um, a couple of talks
that I've seen you give on that,
uh, what, what spurred that and
what are your thoughts on that now?
Chris Ramsay: Um, I mean, what
spurred it, I think is, is this again,
there was, there was the height of.
You know, these niches
where everybody thrived.
And this isn't me blaming anything.
I'm just kind of like, uh, this
is my observation recently of, of,
you know, what the environment was.
And so there was this where everybody
thrived and then all of a sudden like,
um, short form content became, uh,
particularly popular, namely TikTok.
Right.
And all of a sudden we see
that TikTok became the niche.
Right.
So it was far easier for this 12 year
old kid to make TikTok his niche hobby
than learning car tricks, spending
five years becoming good at something.
Right.
So he could instantly gain so much
praise, you know, from one video, just.
Popping on the algorithm and, and
that was enough to make him addicted
to that feeling of uploading and
getting that positive feedback
versus having to put the work in and
earn that positive feedback, right?
Which is every skill based niche, really,
because you could, you know, you could
upload your videos prior to that for
years and no one would bat an eye until
you did something original or worthwhile.
But the way the algorithm, you
know, is made, it's made to.
Every now and then, give
you a little nugget.
Shoot you off into the, so that you're
addicted to this, you know, feeling of,
uh, validation, external validation.
Yeah, exactly.
They give you a free crack rock and
you're like, Ooh, you know, feeling good.
Kind of, kind of what it is, you
know, you'll be back for more.
And, um, and so, yeah, it was
just easier for, I think a lot of
people to make TikTok Their hobby.
And that stole from everyone
that stole from everyone.
And I'm not bitter about it.
I'm like, that's the way
that people want to be.
That's cool.
But it did, it did end up taking,
you know, away attention from.
You know, yo yoing from, you know,
uh, painting vehicles from everything,
because it's much easier now to just
make a video talking about the basics of
it and get a million views or to react
to something that somebody else did.
And rather than putting the
work in, you're going to get
way more praise that way.
It's much easier to be popular that way.
Uh, so, you know, naturally that
sucked away from, from all the niches.
Thus, we start seeing the You know,
um, the effect of that on YouTube,
obviously in long form content, um,
myself and other creators have seen it.
And, you know, so that was my way of
sort of vocalizing to keep up with
that, with this demand, this incredible.
Intake and output of content, uh, this
churning of content, really this feeding
the monster, um, you know, that, that
was really, really difficult and it
started taking a toll, um, because you
want to keep that level of production.
You want to keep that, keep up that level
of interest in the sort of zeitgeist
in the, in the, you know, in that area.
And so to, to do, to do that, you're
having to produce better content.
More regularly, which eventually just
becomes extremely exhausting, you know?
And so you hire people around
you to help you do that.
But then at the end of the day, now
you're just, your overhead's crazy.
You're, you're having to pump
out multiple videos that are.
You know, original enough to
gain some type of traction
on the algorithm, uh, weekly.
And, you know, you're having to
do this over and over and over.
Eventually your creativity starts to
wean, you start losing interest yourself
because there's really nothing in it for
you other than just making this work.
And now I'm having to provide
for other people's families
because I'm locked into this.
And so now I have a small business
that I have to run with employees.
And, um, and you know, so first of all,
my heart goes out to anyone who's got a
business out there, small business owners.
It's tough to have that type of
responsibility to, to have, you
know, To take care of other people's
families and they're counting on you.
You know what I mean?
So there's that, that pressure as well.
Um, and on top of that, you
yourself are the product, right?
Which is a very strange, strange
thing that I have to put out there.
I constantly have to market myself.
You know, if I put a hat up on Instagram,
it'll sell a lot less than if I take a
picture of me wearing the hat, right?
So there's, there's this constant.
Uh, need, even if you don't feel like
it to put yourself in front of a camera.
And I can understand someone not
wanting to do that all the time, right?
We don't always feel like we're at our
best or, you know, sometimes we just
feel off or we feel like, you know,
maybe I just don't want to be in front
of a camera or say how I feel today.
And so then you're having to
put a face on and you're having
to, and it just, it accumulates.
And I did, I've been doing this for
10 years and, you know, so thousands
of videos are being pumped out.
Where I have to be this forward
facing positive energy that talks
about things that don't matter.
Mmm.
Right?
And, and pretend they matter to me when
they're mattering less and less, in fact.
Travis Bader: Interesting.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.
And so you get to, you get
to a, uh, a critical mass.
You get to a point where you're
just like, Hey, I, I really have to
step back for my own mental health.
And you know, that has
just been my experience.
I know that other people have
different experiences with social
media, and I do know that a lot
of people suffer in different
ways from the offset of, you know.
social media, whether it's, you know,
online bullying or like, whatever it is,
there's, there's all, there's a plethora
of problems that this causes in society.
And so that was my way of just
sort of addressing that and
making people realize that.
Even people who post things like myself
are, are not immune to, you know,
feeling that way and it, I, and, and
also being aware that I know me saying
this surrounded by, you know, all this
money, you know, or like things like it
look, it sounds like I'm hypocritical
and I understand the way that that
looks, but I still, you know, in spite
of that, want to, um, still express my.
You know, uh, mental state in regards
to all this because it's, uh, it's,
it's tough in its own way and everybody
struggles in their own way, you know,
and sort of, it was just that, that's it.
It was just like my honest take on this
and now, um, I still feel the same way,
but I've learned to do something and, you
know, Completely shift my content into
something else that I'm passionate about.
And it sort of reinvigorated my
love for cinema, reinvigorated
my love for storytelling.
Um, and I'm really, really psyched
on it and I spend, you know, a lot
of time and I really feel like this
is the genesis of something great.
And I feel the way I felt at the
beginning of creating content again.
Well,
Travis Bader: that's cool.
Chris Ramsay: It's cool.
But I'm also cognizant that maybe
this isn't the solution to these
symptoms, you know, maybe, maybe
the right play isn't to just start
over, but it feels good, you know?
Yeah.
Travis Bader: Yeah.
It's when you, when you have something
that you're passionate about and you
turn that into a business, then you have
to chase those aspects of that business
because they need attention that you
might not be quite as passionate about.
And unfortunately, as it grows, like
you say, you get that overhead, you
get other people working with you.
How many people are on
your team right now?
Chris Ramsay: So we used to
be, uh, I think seven total.
And now we're down to like three.
I had to, I had to lay people off,
but you know, I did it in a way.
I was actually really proud of this.
And while it wasn't, it was just
something I had to do, but, um, I had
kept Uh, some money aside for that event
so that it wouldn't come to a point
where I just laid everybody off and
everybody would be kind of like screwed.
Uh, so everybody left with, you
know, a healthy, uh, severance and,
uh, it was, it was on good terms.
Um, and I still contract
those people today.
So it's like, technically they're
actually making more money than
they ever have because they got
the severance plus the contract.
Right.
Um, but that was the idea for me.
It was very important to really take care
of those around me first and foremost.
And I did want to be in a position
where I couldn't do that anymore.
So before it got to that point, I
wanted to have that difficult talk, you
know, and get that, uh, get that done.
Yeah.
Travis Bader: I think that speaks volumes
to your character and you know, it also
speaks to something that I've, I believe
firmly in, in that business is personal
people like, oh, it's just business.
It's not personal.
Well, no, it's business.
Built off of relationships, those
relationships take time to establish.
It takes trust.
I, I think if you're going to have a
long term business, something that's
going to stand the test of time.
Yeah.
Business is personal.
Um, and you know, the, the values
that you've displayed and things
like that will obviously heed you
well, as you move into the future.
Um, I remember at one point you put
out, and this is going back a little
bit, but you put out a trick that, uh,
uh, you put time, money, energy in,
got ready to sell it and had to pull
it from the shelves because people
said, that's too close to my trick.
And you could have taken any
number of routes on that one.
And.
Do you want to talk about that one?
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.
I mean, yeah, there's nothing really
much to add to that, but yeah, I, I, I
did disagree a little bit with how close
it was, I think, to the other product.
But I think if someone feels,
you know, it's, I just don't want
to deal with, uh, the fallout.
Um, I'd rather, again, it's like,
what's worth more to me, you know,
some money Or a relationship,
you know, and, and it's just an
Travis Bader: easy call.
I get it.
Um, yeah, I guess one last little thing
on the magic side, I'll chat about,
and then segues into something else and
then get into the meat and potatoes of
what I really want to talk about here.
But, uh, you know, as, as a kid, uh, grade
four, five, six, I'd perform magic for
other kids, birthday parties, kids who are
like grade two, grade three, around there.
And, um, I found that, uh, Between
that and the chemistry, because I
thought chemistry was pretty cool.
If I can make ink disappearing ink
with phenolphthalein solution, or if
I can make things blow up with stuff
I find underneath my kitchen sink,
I mean, I was pretty jazzed, right?
So between those, those
couple of, uh, passions.
Chris Ramsay: Spice shit.
Totally.
Yeah.
Travis Bader: Yeah.
And I mean, like my father used
to bring back, uh, briefcases.
He was working for a coordinated
law enforcement unit.
They call it clue at the time and,
uh, doing all the sneaky peeky stuff.
I'm like, it's a phone and
it fits in the briefcase.
Are you kidding me?
This thing's cool.
And, uh, But, um, or, or the night
vision or the, or the different things,
but I would advertise in the local
paper, uh, one time the school says,
um, I went to about seven, I think
six, seven, eight different schools.
Uh, I think you went to a number as well,
which is kind of where this is the segue
to, but one of them was a private school.
It's supposed to help kids who are
pretty hyper off the walls, troublesome,
getting everything but schooling.
And as a sales pitch, they had a
bunch of parents coming in and they
were going to show the best of the
best and showcase the kids playing
the violin and doing their talents.
I'm like, this is perfect.
I could totally network with all these
other adults who have kids, and this
will be a perfect market for my, my magic
act and school wouldn't let me perform.
And so I fought and I pushed it.
And finally they said, Okay.
Tell you what, I don't know if we can
trust you up here in front of all the
parents about doing something weird, but,
um, we'll put, if you agree to having an
assistant, have the grade D three teachers
stand beside you as you do your magic act.
Then we'll let you go up there and do it.
All right.
Fair enough.
And this grade three teacher, she, uh,
in my young mind thought she didn't
like me and was out to sabotage me and
sure enough, each and every trick that
a young magician can do for an audience
won't look the same for the person
standing right beside you or behind you.
And she ruined each one of my tricks
and I'd never, I've been known as a
guy to swear or to use foul language,
but that changed in front of all of
those prospective parents that day.
Uh huh.
Yeah.
But.
Chris Ramsay: Rough.
Travis Bader: Rough.
Yeah, but I guess,
Chris Ramsay: uh, deter
you from pursuing magic
Travis Bader: that didn't.
I had a, uh, a couple of acts
that I wasn't proud of when I
went through, cause I just didn't
practice enough ahead of time.
It was like disappearing water.
I did some, the card tricks with
the kids didn't go super great
unless they're super visual.
So I guess the Bengali deck or
whatever, just something that's just.
Uh, right out there.
And I just, uh, I got involved with,
uh, army cadets and that took most
of my time afterwards and then, and,
uh, uh, I guess just moved in a bit
different direction, but you know,
um, that's a roundabout way of talking
about, uh, moving between different
schools and some difficulties I had.
And I understand, I think you beat me.
I think you're what, 12
schools that you went to?
Chris Ramsay: Something like that.
Yeah.
Travis Bader: Yeah, what,
no, I didn't move around.
It wasn't by my choice that
I was moving between schools.
Yeah,
Chris Ramsay: it wasn't my choice either.
Okay.
Okay.
Well, except one of them, one
of them was for basketball.
Um, but other than that, uh, yeah,
my, my dad's in the military.
So, you know, we moved around quite a bit.
Uh, born in Germany, moved
back and forth in Canada.
I don't know, half a dozen times.
I don't even know.
I'd have to like, I have to actively
like go back in my memory and like
count, but it's like, it's a lot.
And then, you know, throughout Canada
as well, moved in, uh, several military
bases and just always lived on, I
was a base brat, always lived on the
military bases, um, my whole life.
Um, so, you know, there was a sense
of, you know, and again, this, you
know, potentially relates to my,
Love for wanting to be a spy, I
think, uh, because as you're forced
to develop new relationships in,
you know, new settings as a child,
you're forced to adapt rather rapidly.
Or be consumed by, you know,
whatever you don't adapt to.
And, you know, that lesson was brought
upon me very, very swiftly as a child.
Like, uh, you know, this
is prior to social media.
So, you know, I didn't know this
was the last time I'd see my friend.
And you know what I mean?
Like there was no way.
connecting to that friend, you know,
other than like maybe taking his
number calling, but just you're a kid.
You don't think about this.
And so, you know, having to be forced
to restart all the time, uh, I think
it was around grade six or seven.
I was bullied in, I think it was grade
seven, uh, pretty severely, pretty
like it was like terrorizing, um,
and which, which really confused me.
Because prior to that, I was
never, I was never bullied.
I was never a bully and I was never
in this situation, but this was a
bigger school than I was used to.
Uh, usually I'd go to like, uh, the
schools on the, on the bases, which had,
you know, familiar faces and sometimes,
but it was always small classes.
And, um, you know, everybody's
parents are overseas or doing things,
you just like find common ground.
But this was like a public school.
Well, they were both public, but this was
like outside of the, outside of the base.
And, um, I was really miserable and
I remember begging my parents to
switch schools, uh, because of that.
So they did end up changing schools.
And then when I got into the new school,
um, right off the bat, there was like
two girls that had a crush on me because
I was like the new kid, you know, coming
Travis Bader: in, the cool
Chris Ramsay: kid.
And all of a sudden, People
wanted to be my friend.
I was like, this is so strange.
I'm not behaving more like, I'm not
behaving in a manner that, that would
make me different from, you know, the
person I was last week and yet people's
opinions of me are so different.
And it was just some, something that
really struck me as, uh, paradigm
shifting in that, you know, these
social relationships that I'm having
are completely different, even though.
I didn't do anything differently.
So I, you know, I learned a lot of
really important lessons as a child
and it forced me to socially develop,
I think, a lot, a lot quicker than,
than most kids because of that.
And it allowed me to become a sort of
chameleon in a way, um, in order to
fit in faster, develop rapport with
people quicker, um, realize, you know,
when someone's behaving a certain way
and what that signifies, um, you know,
psychologically, I think, you know, being
amidst all these different situations,
I can, I could pretty much make out a
character archetype, you know, from, from
some type of person now and, and, and
relate that to a past experience that
I've had because I'm not with the same
group of people throughout my whole life.
So I'm quickly People are filling
slots pretty quickly, and I get to,
I get to adapt to that, I get to
recognize that, and I think all of that
eventually played into my advantage on
a social media level, being able to,
uh, convey, perhaps, these social ideas
in a more concise way to the masses.
Uh, and, and two, um, As a magician,
being able to adapt to, uh, uncontrollable
conditions, uh, more rapidly.
Um, and so this all really played to my
advantage in, in, in where life took me.
And so, you know, in hindsight, I'm
very grateful, uh, for all the lessons
that I've learned throughout this,
but as a child, you know, I was, I
was very spiteful for, for, you know,
you're being uprooted every year, twice
a year, uh, to a new location, your
life's ruined, you know what I mean?
As a kid, you're like this
ruined, you're ruining my life.
It's, you know, and parents
don't think about that.
Parents are like, nah, what do you mean?
We're just moving?
Like, and you're like your friends.
Yeah.
As a kid, you're like, my life's over,
you know, over and over and over.
So, you know, you, you start to, you
start to look at people who've had
childhood friends and you start to be
envious of them coming into a new school.
You know, seeing how, how closely
people, uh, are and, uh, how, how
close they are and how, you know, um.
How much they're connected and, and
it's just like, I never had that.
Right.
So I was always very envious of that,
but on the other side, I would gain
such knowledge, such profound insight,
um, that I can't be mad at it either.
And now obviously, you know, it's,
it's a lot different cause I choose
where to live, but, um, but I'm still
plagued with the need to change.
And I think that's
where that stemmed from.
Uh, you know, uh, that, that, that will,
or that sort of need to start over.
Travis Bader: Mm hmm.
Chris Ramsay: Um, I think that's where
that comes from and, you know, that,
that could be me starting a new channel,
you know, again, that could just be
related to my childhood of wanting to
sort of restart, have something fresh,
have something new and that need for
that, that sort of wanderlust, um,
for locations or for experiences.
Um, so I'm cognizant of that.
I'm aware of that.
Uh, and yet, you know, it's, it's
hard to fight the damage that
nature or nurturing has caused me.
Uh, but being aware of it, I think
helps me navigate it a bit more.
Travis Bader: Yeah, well, that was,
you know, it's a prime example of
changing your location to change
your, to change your life, right?
Change the environment,
change your external factors.
And, you know, I think a lot of people
are drawn to this idea of grass being
greener on the other side of the fence.
Fence and, uh, well, I'm not happy
here now, but man, over there,
that that's going to be great.
And they get over there and
they realize it's pretty cool.
But after a while, it's kind
of the same thing again.
Um, what you're, what I, what I see as
an outsider looking in is that you are
a consummate creator, that you're an
artist and much like me, I, it seems
like you drive most of your enjoyment
out of the process of creating, of
building new things, sustaining certain
things, Uh, is, has its own challenges
and can have its own fun, but the
actual creating of something new and
exciting is, uh, um, maybe, maybe
the thing that, uh, that you chase.
Um, I can feel it.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah, I
would agree with that.
And you know, I've, I've accepted
that as part of my nature.
Uh, rather than, you know,
try and deny myself of that.
I think that that is just
innately part of who I am.
I am someone who craves new experiences.
Um, you know, and I balance that with
other things in my life, but I, I try to.
Not shy away from that a lot of times.
I try to lean into it.
It's just who I am, creatively.
I need to be constantly, um,
you know, stimulating that,
that side of my brain, I guess.
And, and, uh, or my soul, or
whatever you want to call it.
There's like a part of me
that, that craves that.
And I, I don't ignore that anymore.
And I, I own up to it and I'm aware
of, you know, the, uh, the sort of
onslaught that that causes others,
but, um, it, it is part of my nature.
I'm just, uh, it's stronger than me.
And, and if I don't adhere to that, then I
find myself being more and more depressed.
Uh, you know, so I, I, as much as I'm not,
I do, I have learned lessons that like,
okay, shiny isn't necessarily better,
but, uh, Um, but listening, I think, to
the little voice inside me that craves,
um, this, it's, I think, I think it all
comes down to learning something new
for me is what I've bottled it down to.
It's, it's, it's not so much,
um, Doing something that's
exhilarating or different.
It's, it's the ability to, uh, gather new
information and, and really that inspires
me to want to, to want to do more, to
learn more, to in the creative process.
And like, I think learning
every time in my past where.
And this speaks to a little bit what you
were saying when maintaining something.
See, when you're maintaining something,
you're not necessarily learning anymore.
You've learned all the risks and now
you're just kind of like, you know,
you're, you're kind of oiling the
gears, but it's that learning process.
I think that, that I'm really addicted
to and that's something I've leaned into.
So I'm always.
Even on the side, like, you know, even
this stuff, the Area 52 stuff that I'm
into now, like people think like, well,
this is left field and it isn't for me.
Not at all.
It's, it's, it's, it's part of
a whole plethora of other things
that I'm interested in that I'm
learning on the side off of the
magic and puzzle, you know, stuff.
And whether that's, I'm, I'm
currently, you know, learning
another language as well.
I'm like, there's all sorts of things
that I'm, I'm really excited about.
And I'm excited about just soaking up
more information, speaking to interesting
people, you know, gathering that.
But the second I'm comfortable and
the second I'm saturated and, and
just like oil, oiling up the machine
is the second I start getting sad.
I think as a second, my being is like,
we're so used to consuming new, you
know, information, I yearn for that.
Now
Travis Bader: I can relate
to that a hundred percent.
I can relate to that.
It's, um, it's You
know, and, and I'm torn.
I, I think it's good that you're
just leaning into it, that you're,
uh, accepting it as something
that, uh, that, uh, drives you.
It's, um, I don't know, I guess it
could be looked at in a couple of ways.
Like one, you're, you're constantly
feeding yourself, you're feeding your
soul, you're feeding your mind, you're
growing, you're, um, or I guess another
way to look at it is, is it a distraction?
Is it something that's consuming yourself?
It's now distracting you from
just being content in the moment.
Um.
I don't know.
Chris Ramsay: That's a good question.
Um, but I do, I do find
time for that as well.
Like I think that's the, therein lies
the balance for me is, uh, you know,
post Monroe, uh, you know, I had this
whole experience in the last year,
which really, uh, shifted a whole thing,
you know, within my, with my core.
And uh, I started meditating regularly.
Um, and that's really
changed everything for me.
It's been a pressure valve
that I get to release.
Every day and it forces me to be
present, enjoy the present, um, and be
grateful and thankful for, for what's
happening and enjoy the little things.
Um, they are two forces of opposite
spectrums, sort of this, uh, this
need and want for other external
information, everything else.
And then there's like being happy
with very little being, you know,
and, and, and so I do, uh, Always
try to find that balance between the
two and remind myself when I'm over
here, remind myself that this exists.
And I think meditation allows me
to do that on a regular basis.
And, uh, it's, it's been nice.
It's, it's really brought me perspective.
I think that I needed, which is
like, if all this goes to hell.
I'll be all right, you know,
everybody's, everybody's going to be
fine and everything's going to be okay.
And it's just, you know, that's not
the type of thing that you, um, that
you really believe when you're caught
up with, you know, all this content
creation or this business aspect of
things or the material 3d world stuff,
you know, it's the total opposite.
You're like, no, if this
goes away, who am I?
And uh, I'm very happy to say that,
yeah, I'll be just fine if it goes away.
Okay.
Travis Bader: I love that.
Well, I want to delve more into the
meditation and ask about that, but I
think it would be more chronological if
I, uh, introduce the listeners to area
52, which, um, from my perspective,
seems like a take on area 51, but also
combining the 52 from the book that
we were looking about there before.
You got it.
There you go.
Um, and it is, um, uh, It's amazing.
It's really cool what you're doing.
I don't think there's too many
people out there that haven't
asked themselves a question.
Is there more to this?
Uh, are we alone out there?
Um, uh, what, what's this all about?
And essentially what you're doing is you
are trying to work on a puzzle box that
you'll probably never be able to unlock or
open, but the endeavor seems intriguing.
Do you want to, do you want to,
uh, do you Tell the audience
about what Area 52 is about.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.
Um, you know, it's, it's,
it's, it's multiple things.
Two things, uh, in particular,
one is my creative outlet.
Um, you know, my sustaining that
cinematic creative storytelling
side of me that I do enjoy.
And if you've tuned into some of
the puzzle videos I've had, those
intros at the beginning, which.
Much to my deficit, I would
create the, you know, I'd see
a drop off on these things.
People, they want to get
right into the meat of it.
Right.
But not really.
I'm like, yeah.
And, and, you know, a lot of
creatives out there love those intros.
Totally.
90 percent of the audience
can do without them.
And you can see that in the,
in the, you know, where people
skip ahead to, but I don't care.
I always did that for me.
That was the only reason I kept
doing those puzzle videos is
so that I can sustain that.
Uh, I do enjoy a puzzle, but you know,
being forced to solve something on
camera isn't, isn't the most relaxing,
um, you know, you, you solve a puzzle,
you take days to do it, weeks to do it.
That's the way to properly solve a puzzle.
So, you know, that was
my way of doing that.
And.
So with Area 52, I get to
have this storytelling side.
Uh, I get to flourish, uh, therein.
Travis Bader: Mm hmm.
Chris Ramsay: And secondly, I get to
answer questions that I have about why
I'm here, what I'm doing here, what
life is, or what the universe is, or
who's out there, or all these things.
Um, I get to document my journey.
through my, my unfiltered sort of journey
and get some type of answer for myself.
Again, it's very selfish.
Um, it's, uh, I want to document, I
want to show people what that looks
like, somebody getting answers, uh,
and figuring this whole thing out
and what that looks like from, uh,
from another perspective, that's it.
I'm not there to.
definitively find an answer.
I'm not there to tell you what reality is.
Um, you can do that on your own.
Um, but that's what I did.
You know, I, I wasn't in
favor of people telling me.
What to believe in.
I just don't like that.
I don't like people saying, Oh,
this is this because of this.
And then, and just resign to that idea.
I'd rather do it myself and figure it out.
If I come to the same
conclusion, so be it.
But my conclusion shouldn't
affect how you believe something.
It's, this is for me.
So it was really important.
And so the first, um, sort of
investigation that I had on that
channel, uh, wasn't actually
meant to be on that channel.
It was meant to be on my main channel.
It was, um, a dive into remote viewing
a friend of mine, Nelson Dulles, he's
a memory champion, incredible person.
And he had told me, um, you know,
he taught me how to do mind palaces
and memorize a deck of cards,
which, you know, is super cool.
And then he told, he's into like this.
Consciousness sort of cognitive work.
And he goes, oh yeah, do you
know what remote viewing is?
And I've heard this and I think I've
heard it on like unsolved mysteries
or something when I was a kid.
And I was like, well, what's up with that?
And he goes, I had, so there's these
people who were hired by a hedge fund to
headhunt potential future remote viewers
to play the stock market for them.
Uh, so.
You know, make of that what you
will, but there are people with a
lot of money investing in psychics.
All right, you got my attention, right?
I'll bite.
So they teach him how to do
this remote viewing, which is
perceiving something non locally.
That's the, you know, nutshell of it.
And, um, they teach him to do
this over a month, an hour a day,
ends up playing the stock market,
made these people money, and, um.
So I'm naturally intrigued
because this is right up my alley
of, you know, secret spy stuff.
So I'm like, what's, how does this work?
Can you teach me?
And he goes, yeah, I'll teach you.
And so he taught me, I spent a
year documenting my journey through
learning this, practicing it.
And also, Then I started to, uh,
meet with really interesting people.
I met with multiple people who worked
for Project Stargate, which was a
super top secret, um, program that
the U S government was running for 20
years, which hired, um, psychic spies
to essentially spy on the Soviets
during the cold war, um, a lot of other
things that went into this, but then
I, I got to also You know, interview
the chief research physicist, Dr.
May, who was in charge of this program,
got to see the data, got to like, really,
you know, see the nuts and bolts of this,
rather than just, you know, take it on
somebody's word that this stuff was real.
I got to see the numbers, you know,
I got to see that, you know, 17 out
of the 19 agencies came back for
more missions because, you know,
for whatever reason, they just kept
coming back to these psychics because
they saw value, I guess they did.
They saw enough value to come back,
you know, in over 20 years, 505
individual missions among these 17
out of the 19 agencies came back.
Right.
So there's, and there's 20 million being
poured into this as this is something.
This is something there.
You can say for certain that there
is something there and, you know,
not to mention they had to go in
front of an oversight committee every
single year Congress to prove that
they were worthy of this budget.
And so they had to prove to Congress
through private remote viewing sessions.
And every year Congress is like,
yeah, there's something here.
Keep going.
You know?
So there's all these little
things that, that really aligned.
Plus the experiences that I had, that
Nelson had, where we talked about
Did this remote viewing, got some
pretty accurate results throughout.
And, um, I was left with all this footage
and I was like, I don't think this, I
think this will tank on my main channel.
I don't think people
will really like this.
They want magic.
They want puzzles.
I'm not the amazing Randy.
I'm not here to, you know, I'm here, I'm
here to debunk, but if I, but I'm, but I'm
also here with an open mind, you know, I'm
not going to be, uh, an eternal skeptic.
I'm going to open my
mind to, to this stuff.
And I think my audience.
Over the magic side.
I don't know if they're ready for that.
I don't know if they want to hear that.
Right.
They want, they like the James,
the James Randy type stuff.
And I'm like, I'm on the fence.
I kind of want to know more before
I, you know, put it into that.
And that's the reason
again, that I did it myself.
Well, what were some, sorry.
Go ahead.
Travis Bader: No, go ahead.
I was going to say, what were
your biggest takeaways from
the, uh, the remote viewing?
Chris Ramsay: Yeah, man.
I mean, I got some results
that were pretty impressive.
Uh, I got to speak with Joe
McMoneagle, who's, you know, a
trained psychic, one of the best.
Um, I got to speak to a physicist who
researches this and who gave me some
really, really interesting answers.
You know, the takeaway was they, They
had 600 people that they tested, among
those were mental level geniuses,
were Stanford alumni, uh, intelligence
army people, and out of those 600, 1%,
which is a lot, showed a substantial
amount of talent, and, you know, this
is the scientific method, this isn't
like just a parlor trick, this is
like, scientific test conditions, and
they have a rating system to figure
out accuracy and the whole thing.
And six people out of these 600
showed a significant talent.
Turns out those six people also
had synesthesia and that was
something they didn't foresee.
And so they're like,
Oh, there's a link here.
All sorts of things like that started
coming to light with these tests.
And they, you know, they tested out,
uh, they know that somehow Entropy,
um, increases, uh, the targets at,
or the, the session's accuracy.
So if they poured liquid nitrogen at
a target site, they would get higher
accuracy on the tests versus if they
didn't, uh, the abilities, uh, the brain's
ability to, you know, perceive change on
a quantum field, I guess, or something.
And so all of these really interesting
studies that are happening in the PSI.
done by really credible people.
You know, even the scientific oversight
committee that was put together of 12 of
the who's who in science, uh, to oversee
project Stargate, and that included Dr.
Schwartz, who won a Nobel prize for
discovering, um, you know, particle
beams, uh, he was on the scientific
oversight committee, um, Dr.
Daryl BEM, there was Dr.
Uh, Zimbardo who did, uh, the
Stanford president experiments.
It was like the who's who.
Wow.
And they had to be skeptical and they
came up with the scientific method.
And through that, and all
their studies are published,
all the books are out there.
So people thinking, well, how
can we, you got to go read it.
It's out there.
Travis Bader: Hmm.
Chris Ramsay: And I, I looked through
it and it's, it's, yeah, it's sound.
And although it isn't, I mean,
there's been some stuff recently,
the telepathy tapes and all this
has been really interesting.
I've been looking into, but it's
been significant enough to show you
that there is something present.
It's never, in their case,
been 100 percent accurate.
And I think that's where a
lot of people get hung up.
But when you're talking about science
and P value and statistics, you
don't have to be a hundred percent.
You just have to be significantly
higher than, uh, random randomness.
Right.
And they found that time and time
again, that there is a significant
value here to be looked at.
And that's what kept the project going.
That's what keeps the research going.
And that was enough for me.
That was my biggest takeaway.
I was like, okay, there's something.
Travis Bader: Um,
Chris Ramsay: you know, and,
um, and then when I had all
that, I was like, hell with it.
Let's start a new channel.
Yeah.
Let's go down this road.
I was just so fascinated by it.
And, um, I've always been
passionate about stuff like that.
So it sent me down a whole
rabbit hole that changed my life.
Yeah.
So
Travis Bader: Sinith, I'll
say, I'll say it wrong.
Sinith, see, for me, that's where you
like, you can smell colors and that's
where you're right where you're at.
Chris Ramsay: You can, uh, see sounds and
hear colors or smell them and like a whole
gamut, a whole plethora of like different.
Travis Bader: So I'm curious if they
found that as a common denominator
among the people, uh, would artificially
inducing and I'll say it wrong again,
but we'll artificially inducing that
through, let's say psychedelics or
something else, uh, be something
that they work on to, to try and.
Chris Ramsay: So they tested a
drugs with, um, with remote viewing
and had, it had an adverse effect.
Hmm.
Interesting.
So, and they've tested
with all, all drugs.
They've tested with, you know,
everything they've, they've
literally tested everything.
This was the seventies.
Right.
Right.
Of course.
Yeah.
So, you know, everything you
can think of and, uh, no, it
would hinder, uh, the results.
Interesting.
Yeah.
There's something about fogging up the
interface with which you connect to this
conscious field that exists around us.
Uh, and it isn't a frequency either.
You know, they've tested
this in, uh, submarines.
Travis Bader: Not a frequency.
Chris Ramsay: No, they tested in
submarines and, uh, in some cases were
more accurate and the submarines, you
can't get any frequency down there.
There's nothing that goes down there.
So yeah, they, they ruled that out too.
It's it, it behaves more like
a field, kind of like gravity.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Travis Bader: Yeah.
So if you're to walk and you've had an
out of body experience as well, have you?
I had multiple, yeah.
So can you walk me through what a
remote viewing, uh, episode would
look like for you and what an out
of body experience would look like?
Yeah,
Chris Ramsay: drastically different.
Um, okay.
Uh, so remote viewing is just the ability
to somehow perceive something non locally.
That is the nutshell, right?
And so what that means is like,
I'm in a calm, meditative state.
I'm trying to clear my mind, trying
not to give into my imagination,
which is the tough part because
our minds are constantly racing.
through images and you're
trying to ignore that.
You're trying not to lead it anywhere.
And then whatever comes to you, you
use your pencil and you, you know,
you write down the adjectives or
the descriptors and you draw things.
There's a whole process that they
came up with that you do this.
And.
And then you see if that matches the
target, which is in an envelope somewhere.
So you're blind to that.
Travis Bader: Hmm.
Chris Ramsay: Um, and you see,
you know, you try to see if that
matches, but while you're doing
remote viewing for me personally,
I always felt a little bit silly.
I always felt silly.
Uh, you're like, what am I doing?
I'm not a psychic.
Like this stuff doesn't exist.
You know, there's, there's that
skepticism naturally that you're
like, this is silly, this is stupid.
And, you know, sometimes
you're really confident.
You're like, oh yeah, okay.
I see this and this.
And then as soon as you're
about to open the envelope,
you're like, God, this is dumb.
I'm like, of course it's
not going to be the same.
What am I?
Doing here, I just, you know, I got
like a life form that's buzzing,
maybe a bumblebee or something.
And like, there could be anything in here.
It could be a freaking soccer ball.
Like, you know, like, I don't know,
this is, I'm going to look like such
an idiot when this envelope opens.
And that's the thought that goes into
your head and then you open the envelope
and you're like, Oh wait, hold on.
That's not too far off, you know?
And so it's really interesting.
Yeah.
Um, now out of body, astral projection,
whatever you want to call it,
is it different experience that
potentially, you know, relies on the same,
um, mechanism, which is consciousness.
But, uh, I had two experiences last
year, last October, coming back
from seeing one of these remote
viewers who told me about the Monroe,
so the Monroe Institute in Virginia,
founded by Robert Monroe, 1958.
This guy, he was a sound engineer
and he had spontaneous out of body.
Um, spontaneous out of body that, that
sort of happened to him in his own
bedroom where he was bouncing against the
ceiling, turned around, saw his own body,
terrified him, slammed back into his body.
He's like, what the heck's that?
And he felt this buzzing, this
vibration, heard the sound.
And again, he's a sound engineer, he's
very, very much, um, left brained.
Um, so he went to go see the doctor, he
thought something was wrong with him.
You know, because it kept happening
and eventually he started studying, he
dropped everything and started studying
this stuff because he heard that other
people were having it too and really
wasn't talked about really quite taboo.
And he pursued this research, uh, so
much so that he even started to try
and mimic and sort of entrain the brain
to follow certain, um, brain waves.
So, like.
You can stimulate the brain through
entrainment, through frequency,
that your brain will match, right?
That's the sort of idea.
To attain those low frequencies,
so 30 hertz and under,
because you can't hear those.
So you can never play a frequency
and your brain's going to match it.
You just can't do that
because it's too low.
So what he found out through
his studies, and this is really
interesting, is that pilots were
like falling asleep a lot of times.
And they found out it's because the
engines were at different, we're creating
sound that was at different frequency.
Uh, the difference, yeah, exactly.
Binaural.
He was the founder of this.
Uh, and so what would happen is that
like one engine would be at 110 Hertz.
The other engine would be at a hundred
Hertz, the difference being 10 Hertz.
So what happens in your brain with
this extra 10 Hertz, because you're
hearing both of these sounds, your
brain will synthesize that 10 Hertz.
And so now it's hearing it.
Uh, which you couldn't hear
normally if I just played 10 Hertz.
So he found this out and
started doing this on people.
Turns out these people started
having out of body experiences.
He was able to match those lower states
of, um, of awareness or those lower
states of frequency, those, those, uh,
theta states, those states where you're
in a deep, uh, deep, uh, Sleep or in,
um, deep meditation or in the zone, so to
speak, and like the flow state, uh, all
these sort of deep states, he was able
to artificially induce those so much.
So they had a, they had a monk who was
like 90 and he was kind of upset when he
got there because he's like, dude, I've
been doing this for 30 years and you guys.
It took five minutes to get to the same
state of awareness that I was in, you
know, and, and so, yeah, they came up
with this really cool thing, uh, which
is binaural beats, or they called it
Hemisync, which is the proprietary
sound technology that they came up with.
And uh, this is a long, that's a long
answer to the question, uh, in the, in
the seventies during Stargate when the U.
S.
was really, really looking into the side.
There's, they still are, by the
way, they're still looking into
sciability, uh, but we found out
that they were looking into the
sciability because it went public.
Um, but they were looking into sciability
and they were interested in this.
So they sent some remote viewers,
some other members of the CIA to the
Monroe Institute, contracted Bob Monroe
to, uh, guide them through a process
called the gateway process, which is
this sort of increasing process, which
eventually would induce astral projection.
Would, would make your soul
body leave your physical.
You could then leave the room, go into
another room, look at something, come back
into your body and tell us what that was.
That was the essential goal of it.
And those are the tests that they did.
And some of the tests were very
successful, especially with Joe McMonigle.
Um, you know, drawing the exact
thing that was in the envelope.
Um, so I had heard about this.
So, uh, Joe McMonigle
talked to me about this.
I kind of brushed it off,
like, astral projecting.
I'm like, okay, it's probably a
lucid dream or something, right?
I've lucid dreamed before.
Have you lucid dreamed, by the way?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, right.
So you know that that, it feels real, but
there's, you know, you know it's a dream.
You're aware it's a dream.
Yeah.
And you can conduct it.
You can get in and you
can do whatever you want.
Yeah.
Super fun.
Travis Bader: It is.
Yeah.
Chris Ramsay: Um, so one night I'm having
a nightmare and nightmares for me are
often, um, often turn into lucid dreams
because I realized they're a nightmare.
And so it's a nightmare and
I'm realizing it's a nightmare.
So I want to try to open my eyes.
Right?
I'm like, forcing my eyes to open,
all of a sudden my eyes open, I'm
in my room, ugh, finally, I'm in
my bed, but I'm in a weird place.
My room is my room, it's fuzzy, I can
see, I can see pretty clearly and I
assume because it was, You know, my
eyes were climatized to the darkness,
everything was gray, sort of out of focus.
And I hear this, this buzzing, this
electric, almost electric buzzing.
And I feel my entire body like it was
like you slapped me with a tuning fork.
Travis Bader: You're vibrating.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
It felt like
Chris Ramsay: I was physically
vibrating, although I knew I
wasn't, but it felt that way.
Almost like when you're, when your
arms asleep or something, but it was my
whole body and it was kind of euphoric.
It's like a good feeling.
And I'm in this state at this point, I
have no idea what out of body stuff is.
I've, I haven't even looked into it.
I don't know any, anything about
this stuff, but I felt my, I
felt that I could levitate weird.
I was like, so relaxed.
I was like, like this, this buzzing,
this weird phasing is how I felt.
I could just like lift up.
So I just started like willing myself up.
And then all of a sudden I was
like two feet off the bed and
I got absolutely terrified.
Like sheer terror came over me.
It is the scariest feeling because
it's not like flying in a dream.
Flying in a dream is very pleasant.
Flying in real life is terrifying
because you're like, I'm
not supposed to be flying.
This is real life.
What the hell is happening?
And so I, I, I fall back into my body.
Travis Bader: Did you fall with a thump?
Did you feel like you
like, I kind of like,
Chris Ramsay: I kind of like go
back down gradually, like at half
speed and like sink into my body.
Like I feel like, like synced up, like
S Y N C H, like I synced into my body.
And then.
Um, I, I get up, I go, I
drink a glass of water.
I'm like, that was wild.
And I had, I had taken that, it's been,
it was like 10 days or like a week after I
stopped smoking weed, uh, recreationally,
so I had this thing called REM rebound,
which is like a buildup of like REM,
plus I took a melatonin before bed to
try and get some sleep because of that.
So it was all this like perfect storm.
Next night I'm like, all
right, let's try this again.
This time, if it happens,
I'm going to try to navigate.
It, you know, so sure enough,
wake up in my room, same thing.
I'm like, Oh, this is happening again.
I lift up.
I have the idea of turning
around and looking at my body or
looking not, not even, I didn't
know that I was out of body.
I just thought it was floating.
So I turn around and I see
myself with my eyes closed.
Travis Bader: Crazy.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.
When's the last time you looked
at yourself with your eyes closed?
Exactly.
It's terrifying.
Yeah.
I was like, am I dead?
Like there's a whole, like, and so again,
this wave of sheer terror comes over me.
And I go back into my body, but I fall
actually a little bit lower than my body.
And I'm like, Oh no.
And I like will myself back up and
then kind of come to, um, to that.
A couple of weeks go by as time goes by.
I'm thinking back, it's
probably just a dream, right?
Cause like right after the, I was
obsessed for like two, three days.
I was like, Google astral projection.
All the same symptoms, same sound,
same buzzing, vibration, same, but
as the weeks go on, you kind of
like your rational brain sets in.
Um, but then I came across the Monroe
Institute who has these gateway processes.
And I said for area 52,
I would love to document.
My journey through the gateway
process, which has never been done.
They've never allowed that before.
It's like proprietary and everything.
Uh, but they agreed, they agreed
to have me out for a week and allow
me full access to film the entire
thing with, uh, other creators.
And I ended up doing that, had,
You know, profound experience,
meditating, learned how to meditate.
It was great.
All sorts of really cool, like moments
where I felt vibration, like, like a truck
was driving, you know, past the building.
Like it was crazy sensations and visions.
And we'd meditate six, seven hours a day.
It was like, it was insane.
And then nothing happened.
I was a little disappointed leaving.
I was like, I really wanted to
induce one of these feelings.
One of these experiences.
I got home, meditated an hour every day.
Uh, for like three months, literally
didn't miss a day, just hardcore meditate.
I'd get up at like four in the morning
sometimes to like do this, uh, just
cause I was in that in between state.
And then yeah, three months later I
ended up having my first experience of,
um, an induced out of body experience
in while I was awake while I was lucid.
So I was, I was awake,
closed my eyes to meditate.
You know, I was super like relaxed.
I listened to the tapes an hour
later when the tapes are done.
I took the headphones, put them down.
I was in like this nice in between state
and I was like, it's going to happen.
I just closed my eyes and I said to
myself, I deeply desire to leave my body.
And the third time I said it, I felt the
phasing, the buzzing, a familiar sense.
I lifted out of my body.
And I could see in my
room, I could see myself.
I was there, ended up going
back into my body, waking up.
And yeah, sure enough, it was
like a minute of time had passed.
It was, I was lucid the entire
time from closing my eyes
to leaving, to coming back.
I was, I was lucid.
I wasn't dreaming.
Right.
And that had really changed something
in me that I was able to recreate that.
And again, this is like,
not, I'm not saying this to
convince people that it's real.
And I, you know, if you want
to debate whether or not this
is real, that's up to you.
But.
Um, for me, it gave me a profound sense
of, I am more than my physical body.
Um, you know, I was raised Catholic.
I turned staunchly atheist due to being
a magician, uh, became agnostic after.
Not caring about all that stuff to now
finding myself being a little bit more,
uh, leaning a little bit more, uh, to the
spiritual side, but also recognizing that
there might be a science to this as well.
And it's sort of, this is, this is
the arc when I see people just being
like this and being, uh, atheist, you
know, Penn Jillette, all these other
guys, I see this as a straight line.
It's not an arc, you know, I'm,
I'm, I'm like straight and now
I'm like arcing back to it.
So there's like a whole story
here, which I'm really, I really
liked the idea of as well.
But, um, but yeah, it's got me to question
a lot of things personally, and it's
got me to have a new, brand new outlook
on life, on the afterlife, on the fear
of death, on, you know, and, and now
consuming a lot of books on the matter.
Uh, I read every single day, new things,
um, that just sort of, I'm connecting dots
that I otherwise wouldn't have connected
because of these experiences I've had.
So I'm really grateful for this journey,
really happy how it's changed me.
You know, and like I said, I'm not
there to convince anyone of anything.
I would, the only thing I would
say is do, do it for yourself.
See what happens.
If nothing happens, cool.
Travis Bader: You know,
what does it cause you?
The question, the most
Chris Ramsay: has it caused me to
question and it's given me answers.
It's like, yeah, that's been the most, the
most, um, gratifying thing is, is knowing
I have a knowing now, you know, and I,
again, I don't want to impose this on
anyone, but for me, I know, I feel that I
know that I don't, I don't You don't just
die, you know, and I have that feeling
now, and that has been very comforting.
And I'm hearing myself say this
and I'm someone who I would
have argued with five years ago.
Sure.
You know, take that for what it's worth.
Travis Bader: You know, doing research
for this podcast here, looking at
different, uh, uh, the videos that you've
got out there and then trying to talk
to people who are staunch believers and,
and ardent, uh, ardently opposed to it.
In, in navigating the different,
uh, uh, the ideas on it,
it, it's been interesting.
The people that come out of the woodwork.
That you might not think you'd have an
opinion on this or not, especially when
you talk about, of course, this, the
Minotaur Institute stuff, the astral
projection, but also when you start
talking about other phenomena, which
you talk about in your, uh, on your
YouTube channel, which is a UFO stuff.
Yeah.
And I've talked to people from NORAD.
I've talked to people
from, uh, um, high level.
In government that have, uh, worked
with some of the people that, uh,
you've been mentioning here and
you've mentioned in other places.
And it's, it's crazy how, how this is in
so many people's mind in consciousness,
yet it isn't really talked about a ton
out of fear of maybe speculate or of,
um, yes, the stigma of, uh, the ridicule.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.
Travis Bader: Um,
Chris Ramsay: yeah, that is,
uh, that is, yeah, bang on.
Um, I think that, I think that stigma
is, is, uh, slowly dissipating.
Um, I think we feel it culturally
with, you know, uh, people having open
conversations like we're having now.
There are obviously other podcasts
that I'm sure people are aware of
that, you know, give platforms to,
uh, people with more fringe ideas,
uh, a place to talk about them.
And I think because of that, it
really is lifting, uh, the stigma.
Um, you know, especially with the
whole little green men thing, you know,
that's something that, you know, you'd
always refer to non human intelligence
is like, Oh, these little green men
from Mars and they're flying saucers.
And it was always sort of like tinfoil
hat, you'd play the little X Files music,
you know, and that was like the whole.
Just a bit now we're having credible
physicists, uh, anthropologists
like Michael Masters, uh, looking
into this, uh, possibly being extra
tempestual beings being from the future,
you know, because if you follow a
revolution, we might look like them.
Um, we have people like, uh, Graham
Hancock questioning, you know, our
past, uh, perhaps they did have some
type of technology in these ancient
civilizations that we're unaware of.
Um, but we also, you know, have people
studying, um, you know, people who are
neurodivergent and they're finding out
there's some really interesting things
there that tie it to sigh ability.
And, um, there's just, yeah, yeah.
There's the telepathy tapes.
I mentioned it earlier.
It's very interesting.
Very, very interesting.
Um, there are people from all walks
of life getting involved in this.
And I think that because.
If this is real, which I know it's real.
There's another knowing that I
know there's something going on.
Um, but if this is real, then it
does merit attention, obviously.
And it merits the attention
of absolutely every field.
I think, you know, I spoke to
someone recently, uh, Chrissy Newton.
She's from Toronto.
She's, um, a journalist, uh,
and a UAP, uh, investigator.
And she says this too.
We, you know, we need everyone.
You need everyone to be
interested in this stuff.
You need everyone from all walks of life.
You need people who are into medicine.
You need people who are, uh, into, uh, you
know, exercise or all, all these different
facets because they all relate back.
This is so important that if this happens,
if this, you know, disclosure moment
happens or whatever that is, we're going
to need all hands on deck to really
figure out what this means as a society.
Everybody's going to have
to play their part because.
You know, it's a conversation
that a lot of people unfortunately
want to avoid due to the potential
repercussions, that ontological
repercussion that that brings with it.
It means that your life isn't
so important, or rather, it's
placed on a different scale.
And that frightens the heck out of
people, you know, for good reason.
Um, you know, and I know a lot of
people in my life who I could, I
could confidently say the way that
they're living would not deal,
would not fare so well with, with
this type of, uh, disclosure.
Travis Bader: What type of people
wouldn't deal well in something like this?
Chris Ramsay: Well, I think that
people who, um, don't have time
for it is how I would put it.
Cause I hear a lot of that.
I hear people like, yeah, but aliens,
I just don't have time for that.
Right.
I'm like, okay, cool.
Well, I don't think that
matters if they show up.
What are you going to do?
Like, keep going to work?
Obviously we're going to keep, you know,
but we also have to devote, I think,
if that happens, a part of, you know,
Your mind to that, because now this
brings in a whole other set of beliefs,
values, questions that you either draw
attention to or completely ignore.
Yeah.
And then you ignoring.
And I think a lot of people are
comfortable ignoring, but when faced
with Uh, you know, uh, potential
disclosure, like now we're having these
UAP hearings and there's all sorts of
talk in government and, uh, there's
policies being written about UAP.
There's these drone incursions that
have been happening recently that
they don't exactly know, you know,
where the origin of these are.
And so this, the conversation is
becoming more and more real and
you either open yourself up to it.
Or shun, you know, yourself from it.
And if you do the latter, I do believe
that, you know, we've seen cases of
ontological shock and it's not pretty.
Um, you look at, there was these tribes,
I think in New Zealand, uh, native
tribes, there was a documentary on them.
Um, there's a documentary on
seeing them for the first time.
So this tribe was uncontacted forever.
And they're seeing man for the
white guys for the first time.
Right.
So.
This is exactly what it would
look like if you saw an alien.
If you watch this, it is exactly that.
Good point.
Because they look, they're,
okay, they're bipedal.
Yeah.
They have that in common.
But other than that,
Travis Bader: They look totally different.
The
Chris Ramsay: face structure is different.
The color of their skin is different.
Their clothes is different.
They're using, uh, advanced technology,
gadgets, vehicles, that are making crazy
sound, planes, all speaking a different
language, writing different symbols.
This is an entirely
different civilization.
An entirely different level of
intelligence that they're used to.
Thank you.
And you can see the terror in the
confliction with, uh, with these
people trying to come to terms
with what it is they're observing.
And I think, you know, that, that
serves as almost a template for
what it is we can expect, you know,
when meeting, um, such a drastically
different form of intelligence.
Um, and so, you know, it's, it's a lesson
to be learned, but you know, I'm, I've
already had multiple paradigm shifts in
my life and, and, and, and sort of like,
I'm in the process of preparing myself
for like such, you know, but I've, I've
spoken to people who've had contact.
Yeah.
You know, according to them.
Sure.
And, and not just with UAP, you
know, with entities and stuff.
So it's like, you know, and when
you, when you meet these people, when
you speak to these people, there's,
there's just some people you're
like, you have no reason to lie.
And you're like in, you're a, you're
a, you're an upholding citizen.
And you're like, you're like this,
this pillar in your community.
Why would you, why would you say
these things if it wasn't true?
Did that video
Travis Bader: that I sent over,
did that video make it out to you?
Which one's that?
So there's a talk about upstanding
people in their community
pillars and what they do.
Um, it was a UAP video, uh, and it
was videotaped by three people who
work in law enforcement, who are doing
surveillance in a remote wilderness area.
And, uh, there was a, um, a
circular multicolored changing
with a dark kind of center.
And I have these two kind of like
light beams that kind of came
off a little bit off the side.
And they were able, when they blew
out the candle and the lantern,
they could see a bit of a light
coming straight down from it.
And this video, I don't know.
So I guess it didn't make it over.
I'll watch
Chris Ramsay: it though.
It sounds incredibly interesting.
Travis Bader: So these
people are highly credible.
They're trained in surveillance.
Uh, in the short clip I sent over,
you could see them talking in a
way that people doing surveillance
would, I see this confirmed.
I see that, but they're just kind
of working their way through it.
Yeah.
Um, and there was nothing for hundreds
of kilometers behind where this thing
should be, couldn't gauge distance.
Uh, some thought maybe it's close, but
if it was close and moving kind of like
a drone, it, there was no sound to it.
One fellow thought it was probably
far out there and, uh, still huge.
Yeah.
And mind you, there were other videos,
uh, on your channel that I look at that
very closely matched the same object.
And they're talking about, uh,
that was one where you, you've.
First started talking about,
um, what was it called?
Uh, Immaculate Constellation.
Yep.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.
You know, um, there are credible people
in the government that have testified in
front of Congress, um, put their careers,
their lives in some cases on the line.
Uh, discussing the programs that
they've either been read into or made
aware of that involve, you know, uh,
retrieval of some of these exotic
materials that are, um, not of Earth.
Mm.
Um, and that's their words, you know?
So you have to either tell
yourself they're lying.
In which case, I guess, well, I
mean, if you're going to say that,
that's fine, but now you're telling
you now you're telling yourself,
like, you don't trust the government.
So you've in turn become a
conspiracy theorist yourself.
Have you, have you heard
Travis Bader: the, uh, the
theory of, um, no, I've, I've
And some of this is new to me.
Some of this I've been, uh, kind of
watching for a while, but, um, that
it's an anti government movement, the
recent UAP hearings and disclosure.
Like the blue beam or like all sorts of,
Chris Ramsay: yeah.
And, and that is a possibility,
um, because there is
precedent for that as well.
There's a documentary out there
called, uh, uh, Miraclemen and it
is about a disinformation campaign
that, Within the CIA, uh, that
basically makes some guy believe
something that he tells the masses.
Um, and people believe him, then
they prove that it wasn't real,
and so it becomes disinformation.
But the thing with disinformation is like,
If I was, and, and, and this is public
knowledge, by the way, and people, folks
can look this up, there are departments,
uh, in counterintelligence that are
hired to, uh, talk about UAP, right?
Um, to make the public, uh, whether it's
through ridicule, whether it's through
conspiracy, or whether it's actually
to just put out false information.
Travis Bader: Uh,
Chris Ramsay: so that
exists, that has been proven.
We know that.
And, you know, you wouldn't put it
past these 19 agencies, uh, who are
made up of the most intelligent people
in the United States, you know, to,
to do things like that, to control
whatever it is they need to control.
Let's talk to a guy who.
Does that?
Yeah, exactly.
So, you know, if they do job in the
Travis Bader: government.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.
And if they do have these programs, which
are super dark and black programs that
don't exist, which we know of the, there
are programs like that because they come
to light Stargate's one of them, they come
to light afterwards and you're like, Oh
my God, okay, this, this was going on.
So, you know, if there are these.
These things that they have to
protect these legacy retrieval
programs, then naturally, you know,
they would spread some, uh, disinfo.
Um, and the way they do that is really
interesting too, because they don't,
um, if I were to, you know, if you said,
oh, UFOs and aliens exist as, as, as a
member of this disinformation campaign.
I wouldn't say no, they don't.
I would say, yeah.
And they're also on the moon and the
Nazis are involved and there's lizard
people and I would yes end them.
Right.
And so now you throw the baby
out with the bathwater and, and,
you know, this is, this is things
they've also done at crash sites.
So there are certain
crash sites in New Mexico.
Uh, called the, um, uh, uh, the
donation fields, uh, where they've
retrieved a lot of, uh, material,
metamaterial, like other, you know,
potential crafts and their stories.
There's witnesses to all this,
namely Roswell's like the most
famous, but there's been others.
And if you go to these sites, which
are highly under surveillance,
um, they are littered.
And scattered with shrapnel,
like, uh, tin cans, aluminum.
Travis Bader: So, so people are
picking up tin cans, thinking that
they're getting the real good.
Well,
Chris Ramsay: people are going out
there with metal detectors and can't
find, uh, the difference between
perhaps exotic alloys and, you know,
earthly, earthly, uh, fabricated metals.
And so there's sprinkle and that's just
how this information works as well.
It's like, yeah.
It's much easier to sprinkle the truth
in with a lot of, uh, false truths,
and then people prove the false truths,
and then they throw everything out.
And that's a, it's a very
intelligent way of doing that.
And it's obviously not something
I'd put, put past them.
Travis Bader: Well, there's a fellow
who's works in, through his career
in different levels of government and
who's an ardent believer in, there's
something else out there, whether that's
interdimensional, whether that's, uh,
uh, temporal, like you were saying
there, but he put me onto a book
called, uh, Skinwalkers at the Pentagon.
Have you heard of that one?
No, I've heard of it.
I haven't read it.
Okay.
I haven't read it either,
but AI is pretty cool.
Chat GPT, I got it to give
me a summary of the thing.
But, um, uh, this person's take on the
recent, uh, hearings that went out is
that he's having a hard time buying it.
He believes that there's something
else out there, but he believes that
there's a financial motivation for,
uh, some people involved in this.
Of course.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.
I mean, of course these, uh, you
know, privatized legacy companies that
have been working with this stuff,
you know, for, since the forties.
Um, I've been involved
closely with the government.
You know, you look at Lockheed, Boeing,
Raytheon, EG& G back in the day.
These are all companies that, you
know, produce spacecrafts for the NRO.
They produce satellites, spy satellites.
They produce, Absolutely every
single piece of modern tech that
we have in the air that, you know,
the B2 bomber, which was, you know,
apparently partially made in area 51.
Like, and so there's all
these, uh, technologies that
the government has to work on.
We understand that.
We understand that the government has
to be at the forefront and that when we
receive technology, it's probably been
out for 20 years on a military side.
Right.
Um, the problem with that is.
If you're doing it within the
government, you are subject
to, uh, congressional inquiry.
Whereas if you privatize it, you are not
obliged to provide the same amount of
information because it's proprietary.
Um, and there's a reason they came
up with that law and it was because
of these retrievals, um, you, you
know, so let's say hypothetically
that one of these craft, uh, crash
landed and instead of haul, you know,
we'll haul it off to a military base.
Um, we'll say right, Patterson, we'll
just say, um, and once it, once it
gets there, well, if it's there for
too long, it's going to, I mean,
prying eyes and everything else.
So they'll take this apart into a
thousand different pieces, scatter and
compartmentalize everybody working on
it, um, subcontract this to a dozen.
Um, you know, aerospace contractors,
uh, and be like, Hey, you look at the
metal, you look at the propulsion,
you look at the, um, the energy
source and all these different things.
So these, even these companies
and within those companies, they
have compartmentalized teams.
So I know somebody who works at SpaceX
who, when he works on something, he's not
allowed to know where this piece goes.
Travis Bader: Mm.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.
Uh, it would be much easier
for him to do his job if he
could just know where it goes.
And they're like, no,
sorry, just make the part.
Um, but that's to
compartmentalize this stuff.
So that because you're working
in aerospace, it's also
considered, uh, weaponry.
Sure.
And, and you have to make sure that
no foreign, you know, adversary is
also gathering this information.
So they compartmentalize this stuff.
And a lot of times there's over
classification, over compartmentalization.
And so when the people at these companies
like Lockheed or Raytheon are, are
working on these parts, they don't know.
Necessarily that it's from another
star system, potentially, they just
think it's advanced military tech.
They have no idea because it's
got an American sticker on it.
And they, you know, they just assume this
is high tech stuff and they're signed.
They signed lifelong NDAs.
We know this, uh, that they're
bound to even after death, um,
you know, even after death.
Travis Bader: Yeah.
As in, they can't posthumously have
something like Dead Man's Switch.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah, no, and a lot of
people, um, you know, and this has been
said, David Grush, who, uh, you know, and,
and Lou Elizondo, who have both worked.
Uh, with, you know, David Grush has
had GS 15 clearance, which is like
the highest secret clearance higher
than people in Congress, you know?
And so he's been briefed or not briefed.
He's been told by people who've been
briefed that, yeah, there's threats,
death threats by these companies, by these
private companies and by the government
and by factions of the government.
Um, that like, you know, if you tell
anyone we'll kill your entire family.
And like, that's it.
You know, you.
You hear this and you think, surely
my government wouldn't do it.
And surely, and you might,
Hey, you might be right.
Sure.
But, well, I don't know about that.
I don't know.
Yeah.
But let's say for a second, right?
Because a lot of people think like,
well, this is just a big secret.
Everybody's first of all, very
few people know about this.
This is like, there's like 500 people
that are read into these projects.
It's not big.
Everything else is speculation, but you
know, how do you keep a secret like that?
Surely people are like, well, just
an NDA, you know, it's just an NDA.
But if you go to someone
with kids and you say.
Hey, we'll take out your whole
family from the equation.
You know, you don't want to take even 1
percent of a chance of that being true.
You want to protect your family.
So naturally you're never
going to talk about it.
You'll never talk about it.
Even if, even if there's a 99 percent
chance that they're just bluffing.
If there's a 1 percent chance
that you're not going to put
your family at risk, right?
So you'll never talk.
And that's how they've basically been, um,
keeping this a secret for like 70 years.
It's, it's an insane thing to
hear if you're hearing it for
the first time, but there's a lot
of documentation on this stuff.
Travis Bader: I don't know.
We, the, uh, Silvercore podcast,
I think has an audience that
might be a little more, um,
Understanding or, um, a skeptical
of government than, uh, than others.
Well, uh, talking about UAPs is
not something that we've, uh,
talked too much about in the past.
Um, John Sinai did bring some of that up.
He's a futurist and he's from South
Africa, interesting fellow, but, um,
I, I like the, uh, the connection
between, uh, us and our natural
world and our natural environment.
And, you know, even talking with,
uh, ex special forces, um, Sean
Taylor, ex JTF2, uh, he talks about
things that would be very akin to,
uh, but in a different wavelength to
what you've been talking about here.
So there is a crossover in, in our
audiences and there's, I would say
there's definitely a, um, an openness to
believing that the government might be
doing something to hide things because
it's been, you know, True proven over
and over again in, in our industry.
Um, I did put out some questions
to, uh, Silvercore club
members and, and a few people.
I kind of selectively went through
it because I knew these are
people who would have an interest
in what it is you're doing.
And, uh, if you're up for
it, I got a few of them here.
So, um, uh, By the way,
sorry to cut you off.
Um,
Chris Ramsay: JTF.
Joint task force was actually, uh,
the number one client of Stargate.
They had, yeah, they had like, uh, out
of the 505 missions, I think 172 of
them came from the joint task force,
separate missions, 172 separate missions.
Travis Bader: Perhaps that's why
what he talks about is very similar
to what you're talking about here.
When he talks about his consciousness in
another room and how he expands it past.
And, uh, I'll have to, uh,
I'll have to bring that up.
Yeah,
Chris Ramsay: you have
to, I have to ask him.
They would, they would intercept,
um, they would intercept a lot of
drug smuggling on the coastline.
Um, And they would do these
remote viewings weeks before.
So they would know weeks ahead
of time where this person is
going to be with the drugs.
And they would, then
they would intercept it.
And that's why they came back 172 times.
Travis Bader: Interesting.
Like he talks right now
about his consciousness.
He'll feel what's inside the next
room, the room that he's not in
just in his, uh, in his waking
time and how he practices that.
Very cool.
Interesting guy to talk about,
uh, do we live in a simulation?
Is it a holographic universe?
Are we living in a matrix?
Because.
Isn't it?
Um, he brings a, uh, a neat perspective.
He's been on the podcast here before and.
Very cool.
Cool fellow.
Um, but he says, um, the Nike, uh,
we have one here curious to hear
what the feeling was like in the
room for the congressional hearings.
Was there a nuance that folks
who are watching me have missed?
Chris Ramsay: Yeah, definitely.
First of all, feeling was historical,
uh, you know, as a Canadian YouTuber,
puzzle solver, magician, I felt,
you know, an immense sense of, uh,
imposter syndrome, uh, sitting there,
especially courtside, you know,
it was, it was a wild experience.
Um, The things that
people may have missed.
Well, beside me to my right was someone,
uh, some type of director of NASA at some,
on some level, some very high up at NASA.
And he was like, play by playing
everything Mike Gold was saying on
the other side of the table, uh,
texting to someone like nonstop.
So I was like, okay, he's
under a watchful eye.
That's for sure.
Um, another thing that people
might've missed is, uh, you know,
you'll see the witnesses answering
questions on the C SPAN feed.
In person, there's a lot going on up
there, you know, on the sort of dais or
on the panel or whatever these, these,
uh, congressmen and women are constantly
whispering in each other's ears, sharing
notes, you know, so who knows what
they're saying, but there's a whole
other interactive side that's happening
while the questions are being answered.
And mainly they ask the questions
just to get the stuff on the record.
They don't really care about
hearing the answer themselves.
You know, they're like,
okay, now it's in the record.
That's all they want.
Uh, but yeah, they're busy, you
know, scheming away or figuring
out the, you know, what the
next step is or new information.
So it was interesting to see just that
side of things from, and that's the side
you won't see if you tune in online.
So, and then I got to go sort of behind
the scenes, there's like a back room,
um, um, Hang out with all the witnesses
and some of the people in Congress, Tim
Burchett, and, you know, there's things
that I noticed like Tim Burchett, I
talked to, he's very friendly, uh, you
know, but he was taking a selfie at one
point and I noticed on the back of his
phone case, he's got a Bigfoot sticker,
something you wouldn't have seen, you
know, if you weren't there in that room.
Yep.
So, you know, that gives me a
little bit of insight into, you
know, who he is potentially.
Mm hmm.
So, you know, just, just from, from
a, again, a social aspect, I got to, I
got to, uh, learn a lot and, and just
acquire a lot of information, um, floating
around freely in these little spaces.
Travis Bader: Excellent.
We got, uh, of course, Immaculate
Constellation, what were his big
takeaways from the report and what
should people be paying attention to?
And what do you think the
next steps for Congress are?
A lot of questions in that.
Yeah.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.
Great questions.
Uh, big takeaways from
Immaculate Constellation.
One of them was that they said multiple
whistleblowers had, you know, Had, uh,
gone into, gone into a skiff at Congress
and spoken to congressional members.
So that's important.
That's important knowing what the
questions coming from Congress were.
Now that you know that, you gotta ask
yourself, Are these questions from
Congress coming from an informed,
uh, Um, point of view, or are they
coming from YouTube rabbit hole?
Like we don't know, but you know, it
would be interesting if it was the former.
Um, secondly, um, what was, what
was the second part of the question?
Um,
Travis Bader: what should
we be paying attention to?
And what do you think next
steps for Congress are?
Chris Ramsay: Right.
Okay.
What should we be paying attention to?
Um, hard to say, hard to say.
We're, uh, there's a
battle for our attention.
You know, so you're going to, your
attention is going to be drawn
in many different directions.
I would just keep an open mind, um,
you know, you're going to be hearing
a lot of drone incursion talk.
You're going to be hearing, you know,
you're going to be hearing whistleblowers.
You're going to be hearing a lot
of different things, you know,
stay the course, stay skeptical.
Um, don't form, you An opinion is
like the biggest takeaway that I
have for all of this and is what I'm
trying to do with my channel as well.
Let's just keep absorbing information,
you know, make connections, but do
not block anything out due to some
preconceived notion of, you know, You
know, your objective reality, allow
yourself to, to, uh, to wander off.
And then what can we expect from Congress?
I don't know.
I think the only thing that I look
forward to, and I can speak for a lot of
people is we want a firsthand witness to
be brought up in one of these hearings.
We're sick of hearing thirdhand accounts.
Um, you know, a bunch of brave, uh,
men have spoken and, but we could
use a lot more people who've perhaps
potentially worked on these craft.
Or a body.
Yeah.
And for that, or a body.
Yeah, exactly.
Uh, but for that to be a reality,
there needs to be greater protection
in place for these people because they
do fear for their lives and it is the
reason they're not coming forward.
Travis Bader: So here's one says,
I reacted to a question in the
hearing about the human genetic
modification via hybridization.
Although I've heard it's a theory for
the quote, human race, I haven't heard.
That is a potential SAP or
program in the military.
How valid do you think that claim is?
Chris Ramsay: Well, she
said it was whispers.
It was a Congresswoman Boebert who spoke
about that, that there was whispers on
the Hill of something like that, that
those whispers had been going back
into pre cold war era in the sixties.
Um, you know, you look at.
where Captain America, you
know, was spawned from.
It was spawned from the same genetic
enhancement programs, you know, that
the government, you know, potentially
had to create super soldiers.
Um, however, if you look more into, and
this is something a lot of people aren't
ready to talk about, but if you look into
abductions, um, which have been going back
a long time, um, hundreds of thousands
of cases, um, This isn't, this isn't
something small, this isn't something new.
This isn't just Travis
Walton, fire in the sky.
This is, this goes way beyond that
with thousands of credible people who
are not willing to come forward for
fear of stigma and ridicule, who are
mapping out a potential, um, reason
for this happening collectively.
You have, uh, people like, you know,
John Mack, uh, David Jacobs, uh, even Bud
Hopkins who have spoken to collectively
tens of thousands of witnesses and
had their testimony, whether through
regression, whether through, um, you
know, their, their actual, you know,
just, uh, memory, um, and, and also,
also, you know, physical testimony.
scars or, you know, implants or
whatnot, have come forward to talk
about their experience and their
interaction with these, uh, beings.
And there's been a lot
of commonalities, a lot.
It's pretty consistent, very consistent.
And it looks like, and you
know, do I believe this?
I'm leaning towards there's some truth
here because of the amount of people and
the credibility of the people, but it's
leaning towards there is some type of.
genetic agenda, um, with
this, uh, intelligence.
Um, you know, what that
is, is speculative at best.
Um, you know, whether it's to
genetically enhance humans to be
prepared for something, whether it's
something more nefarious, I don't know.
But there does seem to be
some type of connection.
And I think that's what was being
referred to, uh, because this has
been studied for a very long time.
It's a very serious
issue, but it's an issue.
Not a lot of people are ready to, it's
a conversation people aren't ready for.
Um, people are still, you know, are
UAP real and, you know, I've spoken
to several, um, you know, experiencers
who clearly have post traumatic
stress from their experiences.
who gain nothing from saying this
because they don't want to go public.
Uh, who you can see in their
eyes are absolutely terrified.
Of what they went through and
who hide that from even, uh, the
people closest to them, you know?
So it's, uh, you know, it's people who
begin to speak about it and then break
down because they can't continue and you
have to like pry it out of them because
they're not willing to give it up.
They just don't want to even utter the
words because of how traumatic it was.
Like these types of experiences
are numerous, it's terrifying.
Travis Bader: Whitley
Yeah, Whitley Strieber.
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
There is.
Absolutely.
As a kid, I read those, uh, Communion and
watched Christopher Walken play the role.
And I don't think I slept with the
lights off for a while after that one.
I think it was 12, 10, 11 around there.
Chris Ramsay: Absolutely.
And you know, there are,
again, like I said, thousands
of experiences, very similar.
And many comparisons can be, can be drawn.
And, uh, you know, those are only the
people who are willing to speak about it.
Uh, and so, yeah, there, there does
seem to be some type of genetic program.
Uh, and I don't know whether or not there
are factions of the government that are
aware of that, or if there is a separate
genetic program, you know, happening
within the government, those are all
speculatory, you know, conversations,
um, which I'm happy to indulge.
But again, I won't, you know, I won't
definitively say anything is anything.
I'm not in a position to say that, uh,
but I'm just, I'm having fun connecting
the dots and I find it really interesting
that there are a lot of people saying
the same things with nothing to gain.
I think that's just an
interesting data point.
Travis Bader: Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, here's one that we kind of touched on.
I'd love to hear his
thoughts on what it is.
Extraterrestrial, interdimensional,
time traveler theories.
Which does he feel is most likely?
Chris Ramsay: Yeah, I
think all of the above.
Yeah.
I think, um, as, as far as I'm concerned
with the information that we're
given, it could be a number of things.
And so I say, why not
just be everything then?
Um, and I think that, Is probably, you
know, a, uh, a good enough, a good enough
place to, to be, uh, far better than
thinking nothing's up, you know, so I
just kind of like, all right, let's.
Consider all these things.
I think they're all interesting.
You know, I gave an analogy early
on in one of my videos talking
about like how I see the phenomenon.
And for me, it's like about
letting people into my house.
So like, I know remote viewing,
I've gotten to know remote viewing.
I spent a year, you know, doing it.
And I've spoken to people, credible
people, and I've done it myself.
So remote viewing, you can come
in, you can come into my house.
You know, I know you.
Astral projection or out of body.
I also gotten to know
you, you can come in.
Um, you know, for me, Bigfoot
still got to stay in the yard.
I'm not, I'm not saying
I don't believe you.
I just don't know you like that.
My friends vouch for you.
They say you're a good guy.
They say you're real.
I just don't have that
relationship with you yet.
So you're, you can't come in.
That's just how I, but,
but I'll definitely like,
You're allowed in the yard.
You can be on the front porch,
you know, and that's kind of
how I treat a lot of these.
I like that analogy.
Yeah, it's kind of how I treat a lot
of these situations, uh, in the realm
of consciousness, Psy or NHI or UAP.
Unless I get to really know
you, you can't come in.
Hmm.
Um, but you'll, you'll be in the yard.
I'm aware of you.
I'll hear you out.
But yeah, that's about as
far as I'm willing to go.
Travis Bader: Hmm.
Um, yeah, I think there's some,
some cool analogies on that.
Uh, I remember a fellow saying, uh,
you know, we had two forms of life.
We had plant life, we
got animal life, right.
And then they got the microscope and
they said, okay, hold on, hold on.
There's another form of life out here.
And they're saying, well, perhaps
what we're looking at now is just
needs a different way to look at it.
And I think quantum entanglement
was one of the things that came
up and they're talking about.
How, um, we're learning things
about quantum entanglement.
One spins one way at a lot and you change
direction, it'll change the other one.
And so, well, maybe we're just, maybe
we're just looking at the same thing.
It's like a, uh, what was it?
A, uh, a goldfish looking out and
you put two monitors on either
side of its, uh, um, goldfish
tank and a video camera on it.
And it'll see itself moving
and doing two different things.
Two completely different views,
but it's, it's all the same thing.
So I thought that was kind of
an interesting, uh, analogy.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.
You have to leave room for, uh, you
know, that, that new perspective.
Uh, but at the same time, you know, I
don't want to, I don't want to make it
a, cause that's, that's the thing with
these things, it can be a floodgate.
You let one person in your house
and all of a sudden it's an open
house party and there's, you know,
reptilians digging through the fridge.
So you got to watch out where you draw
that line and really, you know, get to
know something before you commit entirely.
That's been the main focus of like my
current journey is like to really get
to know it myself, uh, you know, before
I come to any type of conclusion and
that conclusion, I hope bears no weight
on anyone else's personal journey.
I just want to document my journey.
Travis Bader: So we had questions
about ontological shock, but I
think you've, you've covered those.
Um, one interesting one, um, fellow
I've been talking with, he was
introduced to me through a friend of
mine and he is an ardent believer,
but he's also not a believer in the
current, uh, disclosure program.
He talks about, uh, Bigelow
Enterprises and Bass and monetary.
Yeah.
Uh, all of this stuff.
And he says he was, um, involved with Lou
Alessandro and, um, uh, ready to do some,
uh, work on that side until he reached a
point where he felt that he was basically
the, uh, useful idiot is what he said.
He says, I was a staunch believer.
I really wanted to do something here.
Uh, but I felt I was being portrayed
or used to achieve a means that wasn't.
What was being sold to the general public
Chris Ramsay: in the
program he was involved in.
Travis Bader: He was involved
in, uh, well, I don't know.
I guess I'll talk to him further to see,
I don't think he was in the program.
He was involved in, um,
Chris Ramsay: but he saw
himself as a useful idiot in the
program that he was involved in.
Travis Bader: Yes.
Uh, and I guess that goes to my
question to you would be, are
you approaching these things with
an eye towards, am I being used?
Am I, are people trying to use my platform
to disseminate a message that, uh, um, it
would just be self fulfilling for them.
Chris Ramsay: It's a
Travis Bader: good question, man.
I don't know.
It never crossed my mind
till this guy brought it up.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.
That's a big responsibility, you know, it
Travis Bader: is.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah.
How would you answer that?
Travis Bader: Well, if I was in
your shoes, um, and, uh, Had your
following and your background.
I think you're approaching it
in a way that's a very fair.
You you're coming up with your
ideas and your, um, uh, based on
things that you see, hear, touch,
feel, believe, and you're not
trying to sell anything to anybody.
Um, that doesn't mean you can't be used
and that doesn't mean your plat platform
can't be, uh, but to shut yourself
off completely, to completely protect
yourself would be to shut that door.
And I don't think that's a viable option.
So that, that would be, that
would be my perspective.
Chris Ramsay: Yeah, I agree with that.
I'll go with that.
Okay.
Yeah.
I mean, I mean, it's just, um, you know,
people's people's own perspective is
just such a tough thing to navigate in
a society that thrives off of semantics.
Travis Bader: And,
Chris Ramsay: um, it is, it is
tough being put in a position where
you have, whether you like it or
not, uh, a modicum of influence.
You know, especially when it comes to
things so deep to people's belief that
are, that are literally tied to people's
reason for being here, you know, you got
to be very careful with all that stuff
and make it, I think, very clear to
people that, you know, for me, this is
my journey, that's it, that's all it is,
that's, it's nothing more, and it is a
literal, uh, selfish, creative expression.
that I have, um, that,
that, that, that's it.
That's all there is.
It's entertainment for me.
Um, you know, I'm not, I'm not here
to say, Oh, like, of course I want
answers, but again, they're for me.
And, um, that being said, I don't think.
I think it's wise not to exclude
entertainment as a viable mean, means
of, uh, being insightful or enlightening.
Mm hmm.
Uh, you know, we have great people
like George Carlin, you know, who've
taught me, uh, the, um, importance
of Question the government.
Yeah.
We'll question Yeah.
Well, I mean, George Orwell
made me question the government.
Yeah.
George Carlin made me, uh,
question societal norms.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Good point.
Um, and then, you know, George, the three
Georges and George Lucas made me, you
know, uh, think of other intelligent life
in the universe and wonder about that.
And those are all three
different forms of entertainment.
And I think entertainment
brings an immense value to, uh,
people in times of uncertainty.
It allows us to broaden our
perspectives through imagination.
Uh, it might not get you to change your
mind on something, but it can plant
a seed that might end up, you know,
growing into something wonderful, you
know, within your, within your own
life and, and your own perspectives.
And so that's all I want my content and
my message to be is it's entertainment.
It's for my own selfish gain of, of, you
know, personal, uh, creative expression.
Um, uh, if it pays the
bills, it pays the bills.
Um, but yeah, by no means do I
take responsibility, uh, or want
responsibility for, you know, actively
changing someone's current paradigm.
Um,
Travis Bader: yeah.
Very well said, Chris.
Um, is there anything that
we haven't talked about that
we should be talking about?
Chris Ramsay: Hmm.
Good question.
Uh, we covered quite a bit.
I, I would give another
shout out to telepathy tapes.
I think it's a very interesting,
I'm, I'm halfway through it.
Um, but it's very interesting.
I think your, your viewers
will get a kick out of it too.
It's a cool podcast that
you should listen to it.
And maybe something we can talk about
in the future, but it's something
I'm heavily interested in right now.
And, um, yeah, it's, uh, it's,
it's, I think going to be.
Um, brought up quite
a bit as time goes on.
So look out for that.
Travis Bader: Okay.
I, uh, I will commit to, uh, exploring
that and, uh, listening to it.
Awesome.
That's, uh, I'll do that.
Chris Ramsay: Don't chat GPT.
Travis Bader: Uh, you
figured me out already.
Chris, thank you so much for
being on the Silvercore podcast.
I really enjoyed this conversation.
Chris Ramsay: Dude.
Thank you so much for having
me, for being so open, so
welcoming, allowing me to rant.
Uh, you've been such a grace, uh,
gracious host, great questions.
Um, I can, I can tell you sincerely
care about your guests, your audience.
And so, you know, that resonates
with me on a very deep level.
So I appreciate you.
I appreciate what you're doing and I
am thankful for being on your podcast
and thank you to your audience for,
uh, for giving me a voice as well.
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