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Away We Go We Go follows the journey of Sophie & Jordan Epton, an American couple who moved to France with their 10-month old twins, and the crazy adventure that follows. We dive deep into what it's really like moving and living abroad as expats, interview others who have taken the road less traveled, provide travel tips, discuss how you can do hard things to change your own life, and everything in between.
A year and a half ago, we risked it all and moved to France. We'll be sharing about our life abroad, how people could do hard things to transform their own lives, and everything in between. This is Sophie and Jordan Eptin. Welcome to the Away We Go We Go podcast.
Speaker 2:Hello, and welcome back to another episode of the Away We Go We Go podcast. I am sitting with formerly known as my husband, Jordan.
Speaker 3:I like where that's going.
Speaker 2:That's funny. Who decided yesterday to shave off his beard. Now just to give you guys a little bit of background, when Jordan and I first started dating, this was sixteen years ago. Yes. We are that old to be dating that long.
Speaker 3:At all.
Speaker 2:We... He... You did not have a beard for, like, a year or
Speaker 3:two. I don't think I was able to really grow a beard at that point in my life. Was for
Speaker 2:your job. And you, yeah, you couldn't grow it, and it was a
Speaker 3:whole growing, you know, your 26 year old boy stubble. Yeah. Couldn't really do it.
Speaker 2:But then once you could grow it, it was like you were off to the races, and I have only seen you now twice ever without a beard.
Speaker 3:This being the second time.
Speaker 2:This being the second time.
Speaker 3:And I did it yesterday when both you and the twins were napping. So it was Yeah. I didn't I didn't record my reveal to you, but we did record the reveal to the twins, which is pretty funny.
Speaker 2:We'll definitely share it this week because it's really, really funny. So, essentially, the reason this kicked off was our daughter, London, had been asking. Like, Jordan loves to, like, smother really all of us, especially the kids with, like, kisses and love and, like, this... I don't understand how this human has as much love to give twenty four seven. But like No,
Speaker 3:I can't handle it.
Speaker 2:But you do. And so, it's like when you smother the kids, and you're kissing them, London will always be like, daddy, no. You're so scratchy.
Speaker 3:I mean, it's coming from like, she started this months ago, so a 2.5 to three year old, you know, putting a sentence together say, mm-mm. No. Too scratchy.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And then she would say, you need to like
Speaker 3:You go shave gotta shave your beard. Yeah. It's even funny to know that she could like put that sentence together. But she's been she's been telling me for a long time, and Sophie likes the beard. I think when I first started growing it, and then it kinda stuck around, you're like, I love it.
Speaker 3:Don't shave it. Keep it. So whenever London would ask, I would be like, hey, you gotta go ask mommy. Like, she's the boss. At the end of the day, if I shave it, she doesn't like it.
Speaker 3:I'm sleeping on the couch for at least two weeks, not into it. So I'm gonna let mommy make that call, and I think you just kinda loosely gave in the other day. Not really not really knowing I took that to what what I took it to mean, which is
Speaker 2:sweet. Green light. So he shaved his beard, and he came in with, like, a towel over his face, and I'm like, what is going on right now? He drops it. And you guys, I literally, like, ran away and, like, hid my face.
Speaker 2:I felt like I was at home with a stranger. Like, I couldn't even look at you for, like, and not in, like, a bad way. You look great, but just in, like, a... I'm, like, really weirded out because you're my husband. You sound like my husband.
Speaker 2:You don't look like him.
Speaker 3:I know what people are thinking right now, and same. Same. Anyways, go on. And,
Speaker 2:yeah, it was just... It was, like, really wild, but we... So when the kids woke up from their nap, we brought them in, and we, like, we recorded them. And we'll, yeah, we'll share it so you'll see more of it, but, like, it was hilarious how they But it
Speaker 3:was That I think contributes to, like... This was a good weekend.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Like, truly... Yeah. Like, let's let's been able to say
Speaker 3:that in a bit, like, comfortably, I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So it just was... I don't know. Like, you shaping your beard just sort of added to everything of, like, the funness and almost, like, the newness, I think, because we've, you know, of course, had a little bit of, like, a cloud over everything.
Speaker 3:Not to be on the complain train or anything, but, like, we've just been going through it for the last few weeks at least with just a lot of stress because of the surgery and dealing with everything around that.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And just in the fact that we had like no time to process when we landed from our California trip, and so all of this. So, and of course, we're finding like moments of gratitude every day. We truly are. We're, like, doing it every night, but it's just, you know, it's...
Speaker 2:Man, it's just it's just that you're... You can feel your, like, central nervous system just, like, spiked at another level. So when one of our new new... It was like... This weekend, it was like everyone understood the assignment, and our village here rallied around us and just came.
Speaker 2:And we didn't even have to ask. They just sort of presented these amazing, I would say, almost like presence of support for us. So earlier this week, our new new Sarah, she had said, hey. I don't have to work at my other job on Saturday. Do you guys want a date night?
Speaker 2:And we were like
Speaker 3:We fucking love you.
Speaker 2:Fuck yes. Like, you don't have to ask me twice, and it was the best thing in the whole world to, like, know that... You know, because it's like Luca's doing super well. We feel like, you know, we can leave him for the night. Like, it just...
Speaker 3:And
Speaker 2:my god. Do we need some just, like, normal us time, adult conversation, like, just feeling, like, relaxed and calm and and just doing something for us after, like, the craziest three weeks of our lives. So you shaved. Felt like I was going on a first date with someone last night.
Speaker 3:Line date. That was awesome. She was so giddy and weird for a while, and it was so funny. I mean, if you if you have been listening, and you have some sort of sense of like our vibe, and how I roll, oh my god. I was having so much fun with that shit.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Just throwing her looks where she's like, oh my god. Stop doing that. Like, too many, you know, Joey Tribbiani, how you doing? Yeah.
Speaker 3:And it's just like, you know, I'm cheesy as fuck, so it's great.
Speaker 2:Ridiculous. But we ended up going to Lacat. We've talked about it. I know a bunch, and we've had it on our
Speaker 3:to the Lago. It was our great Asian fusion meal meal. So good.
Speaker 2:Are you rubbing your eyes? Are you too tired?
Speaker 3:No. I'm... You're gonna get to this later. I know you were gonna talk about the weather here. I'm sweating fucking balls right now, and this is after having shaved my beard.
Speaker 3:So I thought, like, oh, yeah. We'll do the summer cut maybe. That didn't help. Fucking sweating balls
Speaker 2:over here. I'm teasing you. So, yes. We went to Lacaze. Amazing.
Speaker 2:Like, can't recommend this restaurant enough. I love it too because they they let us speak French and struggle through it a little bit at times, but we're... I mean, I feel like we're, like, getting pretty good, but it's nice because they don't just try to be like, oh, you're American. We're just gonna speak English with you. Like, they do, but it's just...
Speaker 2:I don't know. It's fun. Because It's it's like, yeah, we wanna practice, and they always are, like, very kind and very patient with us, and we're getting better and better. But I
Speaker 3:mean, I think the whole meal yesterday was all in French, and Yeah. I understood a vast majority of it. She went through explaining the menu, and I was like, I see what you're pointing at, and I see your mouth making words, but no, I'm gone. But I already know what I wanna eat, so maybe I wasn't trying that hard.
Speaker 2:So no, dinner dinner was amazing. It just felt so good to have us time and to, like, connect in that way because I feel like we've been just, you know, in the trenches together and getting things done, but just no time for the romance of, like... And and that's super important to, like, keep our foundation good. So thank you, Sarah. Thank you very much.
Speaker 2:And then we also had our other new new, Lemonts, who we adore as well. She reached out to us, and she just asked us, hey. I can watch the kids on Sunday afternoon. Do you want us to come... Or do want me to come over?
Speaker 2:And we were like, are you kidding me? Hell yes. Because the other
Speaker 3:thing immediately.
Speaker 2:Because I've been watching Luca during the week right now while London goes to Crush. I obviously don't have a lot of time to get work done. So even having, like, you know, four hours on a Sunday to just, like, get ahead on my week was incredible. And then we also had my parents come in this morning and take all of us out for brunch at which was lovely and so needed, and it was so great just to sit there outside. It was actually, like, decent this morning, a little breeze, eat my favorite, the the pulled pork pancakes at Cava.
Speaker 2:Cannot recommend those And just have, like, a little bit of family time and just feel normal. Like, take our kids out for breakfast and just... It... Like, this... The whole weekend felt like, yeah, like, our village was just gathering, and it felt like we're getting to a sense of normalcy, and that we're so grateful for.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. Yeah. And, you know, new look who dis.
Speaker 3:New look who dis.
Speaker 2:But just to kind of move move on to what we really wanted to get into today. So it's officially been two years. I can't believe it since we moved here. Two years. And Congrats, buddy.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Congrats. You.
Speaker 2:I feel like we should have, like, a little bit of champagne, but that... We'll save that for next week. So we will definitely plan to do, like, a big recap for next week's episode about, you know, just what the experience has been, what we've, like, really taken away in the last two years, what we love, what we don't love, what we miss, what we don't miss, like, all these things. Just really a lot of reflection. But today, I thought it would be kind of fun to talk more about the sliding doors effect.
Speaker 2:And for those of you who don't know what I'm referring to, maybe you were born a little bit too late or a little too early to see this movie, but, like, one of my favorite movies, like, as soon as you get done listening to this podcast, go look it up if you have not watched this movie. This was, like, peak nineties, Gwyneth Paltrow. Like, truly, probably one of my top 10 movies of all time. And so, essentially, what it's about is this woman in London who's working a PR job, and she goes to take the tube. And there's this little girl playing with a doll on the staircase.
Speaker 2:And, essentially, it's showing, like, how her life would change if she took one direction, which is the little girl got out of the way, and she made the the train because she's running late. Or if the little girl stepped into her way, and then it, like, within two seconds, she missed that train and literally, like, splits her life into two.
Speaker 3:So the movie's, like, two perspectives.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Two perspectives.
Speaker 3:Like, shows the paths of, like, if you did, if you didn't.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And it is... It's really, really cool.
Speaker 3:I know I've seen it. I know we watched that time Oh, definitely. A long time ago.
Speaker 2:Definitely made me watch that movie.
Speaker 3:Yeah. I'll rewatch it, because it's a it's a it's like a fun thing, because I think, you know, you can do this at, like, any point in your life when you make a decision, big or small, to be, you know, it's like the reflection looking back at, like, shit, I shouldn't have done that, or just that what if of what if I had or hadn't, which I'll I'll be honest. Like, I do have... Love hate is a little bit strong with, like, the concept, because I do think it's really fun, and it's really playful, But I do like... I'm also in this like, look, you make a decision, and and everything, like the game, you know, the game Plinko on Price is Right, they drop a little token, and it bounces at the little spokes, and it lands in like a bottom.
Speaker 3:Do know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 2:I have no idea what you're talking about.
Speaker 3:Did you ever watch Price is Right?
Speaker 2:No. I think that was like a little before my
Speaker 3:Woah, buddy. Okay. Listen. I'll rewatch Sliding Doors, and I'll watch I know.
Speaker 2:You're born, like, five years ahead of me.
Speaker 3:There's just certain things
Speaker 2:that don't resonate.
Speaker 3:But... Okay. Well, those people who know Price is Right, Blinko. Right? Like, yeah.
Speaker 3:It it could've bounced the other way, but it didn't. It bounced this way. That's where you ended up. You get bankrupt. You win something.
Speaker 3:That's how it... So like, I I kinda feel like that about it, but we have talked about this a lot, and we've reflected on this a lot, where it's just like this obviously was a massive decision to move, and impossible to not talk about the what if we didn't move?
Speaker 2:I think it's so helpful to like really think about it when you are stuck in the weeds about like what if you hadn't made that decision? And, like, where do you think your life would be? It often really puts things into perspective. So I thought this would actually be the perfect time for us to really go through this because we are definitely in the weeds now, to put it lightly. So kids, at least one kid has been home for weeks.
Speaker 2:We made it through a major surgery with our small, amazing little toddler. It is... We all know it is no, like, joke right now for me that it is, like, the eighth layer of hell outside with the heat, and there's no AC. And so you just feel, like, sticky and hot, and it's really crowded.
Speaker 3:It's why you're watching me do this. Have a shirt to be, like, rubbing my face because I'm like, is that gonna help? It's not.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. And so, you know, and so it's just... And I think also, like, the fact that since Luca's healing, like, we just don't have anywhere to go right now, or we can't go anywhere.
Speaker 3:We gotta kinda keep it chill. He's got a lot of follow-up appointments.
Speaker 2:He can't Yeah.
Speaker 3:Go swimming, so it's like we're a bit limited.
Speaker 2:So That is
Speaker 3:what it is.
Speaker 2:So I know that, obviously, I'm being a little bit overly dramatic right now because I am very happy with my life and very grateful. But I think just the combination of all these things has created... What would you say, Jordan? Like, maybe a couple days where we were just like,
Speaker 3:The fuck did we do? When the filter's off, and you like, you take a cold shower, and then you get out, and then you air dry, and then you walk back into the room, and you're like, fuck, am I sweating again? Come on, man. And then you're like, oh, I do miss air conditioning being so fucking cold that it's like a 110 degrees outside, and I'm still wearing like a sweatshirt and sweatpants inside.
Speaker 2:I think I think it hats. I think it begs the question of all questions, like, what if we didn't move? So I thought it would be kind of fun for us to reflect a little bit and talk about and and create our own little, like, sliding doors moment where we sort of think about what was, like, the pinnacle of us, like, you know, that really separated us from either moving or not moving, and what would have happened. Do we, like, do we think? Obviously, we don't know for sure, but just an idea of what we think would have happened if we didn't move and we stayed in Austin.
Speaker 2:So if you know Wayne's Worlds, you'll know this sort of thing.
Speaker 3:I know what you're talking about. That's my reference more than sliding doors. Hell, yeah. Great example.
Speaker 2:I think both of us, when we talked about this and kind of just, you know, what we wanted to share today, I think, like, the the thing that sort of split our lives into these, like, two different paths was COVID. I think that if COVID didn't happen, and I know so many people feel the same way. It's like because it made us literally stop in our tracks and really think about, is this what we want in our lives? Are we good with where we're at? And for us, it really made us reflect.
Speaker 2:And I feel like if COVID didn't happen, maybe we would have just kept going in the same direction.
Speaker 3:I don't know. I mean, because everybody was sitting around with their thumbs up their asses during COVID being like, what the fuck is life even about?
Speaker 2:Wow. Your Chicago just really came out there, it?
Speaker 3:Yeah. But I mean, it legit... Like, look. At the end of the day, like like, that's what we were all doing. It was like we're binging the shit out of, you know, Netflix or whatever you're doing.
Speaker 3:We're, you know, sitting there between terrified, pissed off, and confused. And this conversation had been brewing for us for a long time, because we've talked about this in previous episodes, but in June 2020, mentally, I was ready.
Speaker 2:Yeah. But again, do you... I mean, do you honestly... I don't think if COVID didn't happen
Speaker 3:By June 2020, there's no way that we would have been that serious about a conversation
Speaker 2:like that. For sure. Yeah. So I so I think that was that was what it what it was for us. But...
Speaker 2:So making this decision or thinking about us not making this decision, there's... Man, it's, like, crazy to think about. So first of all, before we kind of get into this, I wanna start by saying that, like, we in no way are trying to shit on us living in Austin or in The US. Like, we had a beautiful life, and there are so many things that we truly love and miss that we'll definitely get into more next week, like, when we reflect upon our two year anniversary of living in France. But I think when we start kind of thinking about all the things that personally for us just felt, I don't know, in some ways, like, insurmountable in a way if we had stayed.
Speaker 2:It's just for... Like, it was a it was a good, I think, personal decision. So
Speaker 3:You're very good at heartfelt disclaimers.
Speaker 2:It's true, though. It's true.
Speaker 3:It is true.
Speaker 2:So first of all, I feel like... So, you know, Austin was so crazy with with this kind of real estate bubble that I would say what burst probably not not soon after we moved. Right? It was like... Because we sold our house in spring of twenty twenty three, and then, no, things, like, took a major nosedive.
Speaker 2:But the whole point is that, like, I have no doubt that if we had stayed in Austin, we would absolutely still be living in the same house, which we loved. I mean, we renovate... We spent years renovating it, and it was... I mean, everything was done on it from the roofs to the windows to the backyard, the fence. Like, we had renovated every square inch of that house.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. But it was, like, small to have a family of four, And I just feel like we were kind of already, like, bursting at the seams just even with having, you know, 10 old babies at that point. And I can't even imagine what we would have had to do. Because, I mean, the thing is is the the pricing of houses as we know is astronomical, especially in a place like Austin. And then, of course, you add in the really high interest rates right now.
Speaker 2:Like, there's no way we would be able to, I think, buy another house.
Speaker 3:And not be where we were. Because we bought, you know, fifteen... At this point, like, fifteen years ago. Right.
Speaker 2:It's crazy.
Speaker 3:And where we were in relation to downtown, I mean
Speaker 2:Very close.
Speaker 3:I mean, we... Yeah. The the values skyrocketed, and we would be way the fuck out there in the outskirts of Austin if we had to buy a new house or move or whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And that would've, you know... So just so just thinking about that, I mean, like, you know, even before we decided we were gonna sell the house, like, we had actually paid to get an office that we built in our backyard. It was super cool. Like, Jordan did all the research on it.
Speaker 3:God. I miss that thing.
Speaker 2:And it was, like, super... It was, like, the super cool, modern... What what what was the siding of it made out of? It was like that... It was like a Japanese, like, kind of
Speaker 3:so it had the wood. It it... It's called shushigibon, and it's not and it's not... It it wasn't actually that, I think, but it was, like, a material that had that look to it. It was very cool, like, this black composite siding, giant sliding door.
Speaker 3:Get it? With like another window, and it like, a, it had like a vaulted roof with skylights in it. It had... Like, it was super cool company, and we'll... I'll I'll find it and link the...
Speaker 3:We'll link it in the show notes, because it was... I I cannot remember Autonomous. It was autonomous dot ai, I think. But... Or IO, maybe.
Speaker 3:I don't know. But Autonomous was the company. I think they're in Canada, and it's it's kind of like a IKEA ish thing that I had some contractors come and put together in like a day and a half, and oh my god, that thing was awesome. It had like all of the power and outlets built into Yeah.
Speaker 2:So you're still able to have AC out there, which was
Speaker 3:have AC and heat. This is something that's cold, and like, it was just this amazing little escape. People use it for offices, for music studios, for workout studios. It was like 96 square feet, and it was just... It was in our backyard.
Speaker 2:And Well, but the point is is, like, it was expensive. You are. You're kinda... I love you, but, like, let's land the plane a little bit here. Impossible.
Speaker 2:But... So we would've... It was already expensive to buy it and then to install it, but we we don't... No doubt, no doubt had to have one more of those for an office for me because we only had two other bedrooms that were originally our offices who have been kicked out by those kids.
Speaker 3:Yeah. So twins would've had one room, and not sure what we would've done with that other room.
Speaker 2:No. Think we would've had two bedrooms for them because the bedrooms were so small, honestly. I don't know. Like, we don't know. But the whole point was, like, we're already bursting at the seams in this place, and it just...
Speaker 2:And there would be, like, nowhere for us to go except maybe build up. I don't know. But, you know, it just... I think being able to move somewhere that we have a lot more freedom about, like, what is affordable is,
Speaker 3:Well, it's you interesting. Right? Because I think the trade off in some ways... Because we still, like, reminisce about that house.
Speaker 2:Oh, it was a great house. So another thing that we have to think about too is that the kids would obviously be in daycare, and they're in daycare a lot longer. They're in daycare there until, what, like, four to five. And it would be... Like, I think about this all the time, and that's one of the reasons I thought we can't afford this with two kids.
Speaker 2:It's, like, so expensive. Probably at least three to four times what we we would be paying Right now. Now? Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And also, we would be providing all the food and making all the lunches, I think.
Speaker 3:Something like that. I mean, yeah, I've I've heard variations, but I know a lot of friends who have to drive a decent amount. Austin traffic is god awful, and it is expensive, and you're providing food, and it's just
Speaker 2:Like, just, like, just to think about this for a second, and I've told people this before. So the Texas does not have state tax, which is amazing, and it's, like, very business friendly because of that. But they're going to get you somewhere with taxes, and that, my friends, is in their property tax. And our property tax, because the value of our home went up a lot in the ten years that we owned our house, the property taxes became astronomical, and our mortgage went up, like, three times.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It was insane. So between that and the... And what day care would cost, just those two things alone would have been, like, around $10, I think, a month, 9 or $10. Just those two things. So you just...
Speaker 2:You put that in perspective. It's like, it's crazy. So the other thing I think about too, which we, you know, kind of had mentioned just every time we go back to The US, but just, like, actually thinking about what daily life would be like. And it's crazy to think about us, like, constantly getting in the car to go do anything. Because one thing that I will say about Austin, like, mean, it's just it's just a beautiful city, but, like, there is nothing except when you're in specific areas of downtown that are really walkable.
Speaker 2:They're... They didn't design it to be a walkable city. Like, you're in your car all the time.
Speaker 3:And I think a lot of places that, like, if you're not in the downtown area of a city, like, it's just... Shit is not walkable in the same way. I mean, the car culture is intense. I mean, your mom would say that for years. Every time they would go back to Denver area, they would spend 60% of the trip in the fucking car.
Speaker 3:And like just in and out to run errands, go places, whereas again here... And this is also because we decided to move into the city center, But even outside of the city center, it's still super walkable to get things that you need. So, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So just thinking about, like, mean, we we love that, especially because, I mean, I think so many of our plans also changed. I mean, we we knew we wanted to go, but it just... It's like it changed even more because we had twins. Because even, like, you know, the last couple weeks when we've we've had a lot of time where we're each alone with one kid, And, like, I think because we are so used to having twins and the chaos of that, it has been like, oh, this is what it's like to have one kid?
Speaker 2:Like, for us, like, is
Speaker 3:you were feeling that when I was in the hospital with Luca. Oh. You were here with London, and you're like, oh, shit.
Speaker 2:London was a perfect angel, baby. It was
Speaker 3:Well, like, I remember you were telling me you're like, I'm in the room with London, and I'm not even thinking about where's the other one right now. I'm just... It's just this one, and that's it. Yeah. And it's like, oh, okay.
Speaker 3:Well, like, I got this.
Speaker 2:So so that's the other thing too, though, is, like, when you think about, like, having to constantly drive your kids everywhere, it's like if you just had one kid, like, maybe that wouldn't feel quite so crazy, but, like, having two, same age, same level of insanity, and trying to just... Every time you have to go somewhere, you have to put the kids in the car. And it's just like, that is...
Speaker 3:Whoo.
Speaker 2:Yep. That's a lot. Yep. That is a lot. So just being able to, like, take...
Speaker 2:Like, hold their hands. Like, this morning, we wanted to go to Cava. It was right around the corner. We just held their hands, walked down the stairs, walked out, went out, and then we, you know, did a little walk, and they picked out a toy because they're doing so good with potty training, and it was all... It was...
Speaker 2:Everything was walking, and it was just to think about how... It already feels like a lot just walking out the door with the two of them, but, you know, car thing. It's just, whoo.
Speaker 3:Well, it is a lot walking out the door with Yeah. The two
Speaker 1:of
Speaker 2:So, you know, just thinking about that, like, that that would be a lot. And then also just kind of going along with that, and what I talked about with just the cost of just a few things in our lives, not mentioning, like, everything else that costs money in in America, like, I just feel like our work life balance would be so much more aimed at work because we'd be having to hustle so much more just, I think, to make ends meet.
Speaker 3:And I had a... I mean, the unit that we built in the back was for the twins, but at that time, like, it was still very COVID y. So I was still very remote, but at this point, like, I wouldn't be remote.
Speaker 2:That's true.
Speaker 3:The... Like, the situation that I was in in Austin, like, would have gone back to becoming an in office situation, whereas I'm fully remote in this case. So, like, that would have changed so many of the dynamics because of that, like, dynamic. It would change a lot of how you and I are doing things and potentially the help that we would have needed because, like, we can... Even though it's not easy to do it, we still can kinda trade off since we're both work from home.
Speaker 2:That's such a good point.
Speaker 3:So like, it's like, oh, shit. Can you help? Can you cover this? Can you help me with this? I need a minute.
Speaker 3:I'm about to pull my hair out. Can you take over? Like, there's a lot of different things. Oh, something happened. I'll just...
Speaker 3:I have a free moment. I can actually prep dinner. Like, if I'm in the office through corporate hours, like, I'm gone all day. Plus, I'm not even getting to spend the amount of time with him that I've been able to.
Speaker 2:So true. Because we know this. I mean, as crazy as it is, it's like you only get, what, four to five years where they're this, like, little and munchy, and they actually... You're their world. So it's like gone all day.
Speaker 2:You'd wanna take advantage of that for sure. For sure. Yeah. I just I just feel like we... I mean, we talk about that.
Speaker 2:We're all... That's actually probably the one that is... We drive home the most is, like, can you imagine how much more we would have to just work and and take on clients just to, like, make ends meet there?
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:You know, with everything that... Like, the cost that changed because we had kids. And and, you know, just kind of still speaking on that note, just thinking about, like, our village and how it would be so much less attainable because we have... You know, living in Austin, we have parents in Colorado. We have parents in Chicago, and then we have parents in France.
Speaker 2:Right. And so, like, living in Austin, we're, like, stuck on an island, so to speak, away from, you know, that village.
Speaker 3:And, I mean, we, you know, we would substitute some. Right? We had... You know, Twilight was there. Right?
Speaker 3:But, like, that's not her job. Right? Very, very different. And we have no parents nearby, but a of other people that we were friends with who were kind of in the same boat and having kids. It's not like, you know, you have that built in community.
Speaker 3:I think there may have been some flexibility there where, you know, because there's houses that can make some of that a little bit easier with Yeah. You know?
Speaker 2:For sure.
Speaker 3:That kind of thing. But it's very different. Just the the village thing would be very different. But I I... We have talked about this where some of the things that we're able to do right now as it relates to work are because it's really easy for us to get help here, and we would still need, if not more help, the exact same amount that we're currently vying for right now.
Speaker 3:But like you said, we'd probably be taking on more work, which means we need more coverage, which beats you need more of your village to intervene.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Because, I mean, our our new news, I mean, they have literally become our lifelines and, like, friends to us. And to think about just, like, how different it would be in The US and, like, just the cost of things, and just... I don't know. It's just just different vibes.
Speaker 2:I don't know. It just I think... Mean, we
Speaker 3:had some we had some great people before we left, but we were paying a lot for it. Worth it, but it was a lot.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. For sure. So... And I mean, we obviously...
Speaker 2:We have... We do have an incredible friend community in Austin that we miss dearly, but I just think once you have kids, if you don't have that kind of village that's there for you and your kids, it just makes you feel so much more like you're on an island. And I
Speaker 3:had enough trouble meeting up with my buddies before any of us had kids Yeah. Just for like a beer and a fucking burger or some shit like that. So with kids where I'm just like, I'm so tired. I can't leave my house. No.
Speaker 3:I'm not leaving my house. Yeah. I get it. Yeah. See you never.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Seriously. So when it comes also to health care, this is probably the one that is the most terrifying to me because, you know, Luca was going to have to have ongoing care. I don't know. Like, it's really interest...
Speaker 2:Interesting. I don't know, like, to think about how, like, the doctors in The US versus the doctors here, like, if they would have done things differently or if they would have seen the same thing and made the same call. I have no idea, and that's not really something I wanna speculate on. But, like, no matter what, if the doctors had said, you know, Luca needs the surgery at the same time in The US, you know, to think about what we had to financially endure first round of surgeries, which, by the way, we had really good insurance, and we still went through a ridiculous amount of our savings that we had spent a decade building. Like, I feel like that would just be almost, like, obliterated with all this stuff going on cons...
Speaker 2:I mean, not constantly, but just like, you know, just like the next surgery he's having, or different procedures, or whatever it may be.
Speaker 3:I I can just very briefly speak to that a little bit just from the perspective of now that we've been through it, like this major surgery, and he did great, and the care, and we talked about this last time, the care, the resources, everything, like top notch, was exactly the same as it was in Austin at Dell. And again, you walk into Dell, and you're walking into a contemporary art museum.
Speaker 2:Yeah. You
Speaker 3:know? And so here, he had the same kind of attention, the same process. Everything was... It wasn't just the surgeon making a decision. It was all team communication.
Speaker 3:Everybody knew what was going on. They all DRIs together, whatever. But I will say that when we got here, the vibe was so different. Like, the mentality. Like, when we first met with his cardiologist here, she was like, yeah.
Speaker 3:No. It's all good. Like, he's doing great. This is normal. This is that.
Speaker 3:And there, it was like, look, you're gonna need to do this every to twelve months. It's gonna have to be like this. You're gonna have to come in. It's just like the overall vibe around it was so different. And I obviously can't speculate on the medical decision making that would have happened, but where we got in Austin, hey, you're gonna have to do this every nine to twelve months until he's eight to 10 to 15 years old, here it was like, we're gonna look at it again soon and just see what we feel is the best option.
Speaker 3:And it was just very different with expectation setting. So when you say healthcare thing would be terrifying financially, obviously. But just I think managing it in the anxiety of like
Speaker 2:Well, mentally too. You're right. It was so different.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Driving in almost in traffic to get to the hospital and all that. I mean, that's bad everywhere because here, have to drive to Marseille. No. Don't don't even don't even
Speaker 2:talk to me about that. I drove to Marseille every day. Okay? It was... No.
Speaker 2:It it it just as bad.
Speaker 3:But But, yeah, a lot of things would have still been very stressful, and just scared about like, wonder what this bill's gonna look like when we get it.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So just, yeah, thinking about that is crazy.
Speaker 3:Also Remember when I said I was gonna summarize that briefly? That was being brief.
Speaker 2:I think anyone who's listening and has been That was brave. Know that you don't really summarize things brief.
Speaker 3:Not really. Can I your real
Speaker 2:house, buddy? Like, doesn't really exist, but we love you anyway.
Speaker 3:Thanks.
Speaker 2:Think, you know, just kind of in the same vein, I don't talk about this all the time, but motherhood really, like, rocked me. And I feel like I'm finally now getting a little bit more of finally, like, feeling like myself again and getting into step of, like, what I wanna do and, like, what I want the future to look like. But I don't know if, like, if we hadn't moved to France, and I was able to slow down a little bit, and it gave me the freedom to step back and ask, you know, what do I wanna pursue in my life? I mean, that's been such a gift. Like, I feel like...
Speaker 2:And we
Speaker 3:So happy that you've had some space for that.
Speaker 2:Truly. Truly. Because I think if we would have stayed in The US, again, it's just all the responsibilities and costs of everything. I think we would have just been constantly on this hamster wheel the way kind of we were before COVID where we we couldn't stop to think. We were just been like, okay.
Speaker 2:We're just gonna keep doing this. We gotta keep doing this. We gotta keep making money. We gotta... You know?
Speaker 2:And then it's just like, you know, eventually your pet explodes. But but it just... I just feel like you're sort of, like, going through life, and you're not really, like... It's almost like when you talk about, like, when you're a business owner and you want to work on the business, not in the business. It's just like an analogy I think about.
Speaker 2:It's like you're sort of going through life, and it's just sort of like life's just kind of happening to you versus, like, you're making your life happen, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3:Yeah. And I I think about, you know, the the twins and just the amount of focus and time that we've been able to like put towards them.
Speaker 2:Yeah. We've been able to spend so much time
Speaker 3:with Like, it's crazy, because I I... Like, there's a lot of things going through my head, because I... This this conversation always, whenever we talk about this stuff, and now having had the conversation with Scott Barker a few episodes back where he talks about his, you know, the wake up call and the work burnout. Right? Like, it's just...
Speaker 3:It's so... It was so easy for us to always be working in the things that we were doing all the time.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah.
Speaker 3:And then you add the kids to it.
Speaker 2:Like And we did and we did have burnouts. I mean, there was a point where we were so stressed out. Like, both of us had different, like, periods of getting shingles, which is crazy.
Speaker 3:Oh, I forgot
Speaker 2:about both got them in our twenties. Like, the doctors... Like, my my nurse for sure when I, like... I knew it was shingles because you had gotten it before. And I went in.
Speaker 2:I said, I I have shingles. And she's like, I don't think so. I'm sure it's some rash.
Speaker 3:Bitch, I do. I saw my husband get it, like, two years ago.
Speaker 2:And then the doctor looked at it, took one look, and was like, yep. That shingles. Like, thank God you caught it early. Here's your prescription. Go take stuff immediately.
Speaker 2:But it's just... I'm saying, like, that's that's... This is not normal. Right? Because it's just we were working so much.
Speaker 2:We're working like dogs, and just even now to the point of, like, you know, when we were just the two of us, we were working like dogs, but we're able to save more because we didn't have two other little little lives to look after. But now I
Speaker 3:was able to sleep in on a Sunday and go and get cake and spend the day eating that cake and watching a lot of Netflix or whatever the whatever we were doing that But
Speaker 2:you digress. You digress. No. But but it's... Yeah.
Speaker 2:So it's like crazy. It's just crazy to think about that. And, yeah, just just the stress of all that. So I I mean, truly, like, it is... I just...
Speaker 2:I think I might be a mess. I don't know. I just feel like I might be a mess just trying to keep up with everything. Phenomenal
Speaker 3:job in motherhood, and I know that it's been hard, but I love you. Just wanna say that. No. It's And also, I always digress the chocolate cake, so just calm down on that. Like, that's what I digressed.
Speaker 2:It's been beautiful, and it's been hard, and it's been messy, and it's been crazy, and it's been fun, and, like... But I think it's, again, being able to, like, not feel as much stress and sort of just dive into it and capture those moments and stuff, that's... Yeah. It's been really, really cool.
Speaker 3:I just think that we would've had way less time to spend with someone sure. Than we have.
Speaker 2:And I think
Speaker 3:that would've... Like, we would've been walking, like, parent FOMO.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And, also, like, when it comes to us too, like, because I... I mean, just literally
Speaker 3:talking to Well,
Speaker 2:I mean, truly, though, like, if be... If people don't if people don't know that about us, like, we talk about that a lot where, like, we... Our relationship is number one for many reasons because, a, if we don't have a good foundation, then, like, we cannot parent our kids the way that we should. And number two,
Speaker 3:like You think I'm way cooler than these three year olds, I'm just saying.
Speaker 2:Number two
Speaker 3:Hardly.
Speaker 2:I think that it's really important for our kids to see, like, a very healthy relationship, and that takes work. I want our kids to see us, like, continue to be in love and continue to be, you know, respectful of one another and love one another, I think that will set them into, hopefully, like, a very healthy relationship for themselves down the road. But... So so for us, it's like, yeah, it's really important for us, like, right now that we go on date nights and we do things like that. And I think about too, like, would we be going out in The US and Austin to eat at great restaurants?
Speaker 2:Because, a, we wouldn't have as much of that village to, like, even, you know, make it out the door for someone to watch our kids, or also just because, again, like, we talk about... This whole thing is about cost, I swear, but it's true, though. It's like
Speaker 3:We would, though. It would be it would just be different. It would, like, day nights would be like tacos at a food truck, like, which is Great. Awesome, and live music.
Speaker 2:Like Great.
Speaker 3:That's awesome. But
Speaker 2:I just I just feel like we'd be taking less. I just do because, again, like, the cost of, like, getting the babysitter to come over and going out and all those things, like, of course, we'd still be doing it, but I just think it would be less. And I just think that would, like, wear on our mental health.
Speaker 3:I think the takeaway is that you heard it here first. I'm pretty sure Sophie just said that I'm doing a great job as a husband.
Speaker 2:Well, besides the fact that I asked you all week to make a reservation at a different restaurant
Speaker 3:I was hoping I could slip that by you without getting a
Speaker 2:little Are you kidding me right now?
Speaker 3:No. Holy fuck that up. We still went to a great restaurant, but we were But no. But Couldn't go to a different one. No.
Speaker 3:No. Could not. The boy is kind of
Speaker 2:I asked you all day. I asked you all week, and You only...
Speaker 3:In my defense, you only asked me, like, six times.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah. Great defense. Cool, dude.
Speaker 3:It's not great defense. It's just my defense.
Speaker 2:But no, you're you're a great husband, and we we nurture it, and and I feel like we have the space to nurture it here, and like that's what is so amazing.
Speaker 3:She'd totally say that if this was recorded too, for what it's worth.
Speaker 2:For sure.
Speaker 3:For sure. Yeah.
Speaker 2:For sure. Definitely.
Speaker 3:Yeah. For sure.
Speaker 2:The other thing too that I think about, which, you know, has to do with going out to restaurants and all the things, but it's it's like different... Like, really different food culture, and I think both good and bad. I've talked about this, like, a lot with you, but I feel like the things that we would miss out... I mean, yes, Austin does have a couple, you know, food markets during the weekend, like farmers markets, but it's not
Speaker 3:No. But you gotta, like, drive in traffic. Get there early enough, and you're still way overpaying for shit. Like, look. Don't don't sugarcoat this shit.
Speaker 3:Like, we were fucking Whole Foods people.
Speaker 2:Well, right, it's it's like one of the ease... Or like more convenient ways to get organic food, and that's what we wanted.
Speaker 3:Yeah. For the Texans, like, we still shopped at H E B at times, because H E B is awesome, but, like, I'm not gonna sugarcoat what we did. We just kept it simple, got that shit from Whole Foods, and it was not cheap, and it was not convenient. And a lot of the time we did it via Instacart, and even then we would show... They would show up, and we would have three whatever containers of blueberries that were fucking molded.
Speaker 3:And we're like, that's the price you pay for not doing it yourself. That's the cost of convenience. Like, somebody's just grabbing them, not really looking, throw them in a bag for you, and you get your seven bags of groceries sitting on your front porch, but we didn't have to get in the car with the twins, which we didn't have time for. If we had time to go grocery shopping, like we love going grocery shopping. We love food shopping.
Speaker 3:But, you know, I mean, here it's like a shopping day on Saturday always means we stop by and get pad thai in the market, eat it with the twins, and then...
Speaker 2:Well, like, the owners know us now. They're, like, so sweet with the kids. We just... We've created, like, all of these. I guess it's it's been much easier to create rituals around, like, food and the market culture here, which has been really cool.
Speaker 2:Like, you know, every Saturday, we go and get pad thai. Most Saturdays, like, we go to our fishmonger, and we get salmon or, like, a white fish. It's just... I don't know. We just have created all these things around, you know, these beautiful markets that are literally on our doorstep, essentially.
Speaker 2:So I think, you know, just, again, just having to, like, either Instacart, which... Don't get me wrong. Instacart is
Speaker 3:Love me some convenience.
Speaker 2:Love the convenience of it, but I just think, yeah, we
Speaker 3:They do it here. Look. They do it here. Like, you can order groceries here.
Speaker 2:But it's diff... It's different because it's not it's not available to, like, I mean,
Speaker 3:Every store.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah. It's only, like, the really big stores that are kinda more like the Target
Speaker 3:equivalents.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Like an or like an H E B or, you know, depending on where you live, like, you know, Safeway or Jewel or whatever. It's like Okay. Yeah. So those are the ones.
Speaker 2:So it's not it's not the places like, you know, the amazing place where we get all of our fruits and vegetables if we're not going to the market or, like, you know, our our butcher that has, like, you know, the best roast chicken we've ever had, like, that kind thing. Like, they're definitely not available on Instacart. So it's like you... You know? So that's that's probably, like, the biggest trade off, but I do feel like we just...
Speaker 2:Yeah. I mean, we... I think we'd definitely be eating, like, probably a bigger variety of food. Like, I'd be making, like, with lots of different
Speaker 3:You would.
Speaker 2:Recipes. Well, just because it's like... Again, it's like, it doesn't even matter there if something's in season. Like, you can just get it, and then you can make it.
Speaker 3:So whatever you feel mean it great. No. But you can get it. If you're jonesing for a thing, you can get the thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah. But it would just be... Yeah. It would just be so different. And, I mean, I I would probably only Instacart because...
Speaker 2:And not deal with it at all because the idea... Oh my god. The thought of, like, taking those twins and putting them in a shopping cart and rolling around, like No. You need two shopping carts. I know.
Speaker 2:Truly.
Speaker 3:Truly. Awful. And I do miss tacos.
Speaker 2:Yeah. We definitely miss tacos a lot.
Speaker 3:As we're talking about all this stuff, that's... I'm just thinking about tacos. But, again, maybe a few cents. Yeah. Not the same.
Speaker 3:K? This is not apples to apples.
Speaker 2:But it is a fix.
Speaker 3:It is a fix.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And then I think too just... I think one of the things that... We always talk about this, you and I, like, when we really get into it, is that just not being able living in Austin... Now it's different, of course, depending on what state you live in The US, but for us, like, living in Austin, like, just not being able to travel as easily or as cheaply, and definitely not having access to nature in the same way.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Well, and it it kinda depends on where you are in The US, but it still doesn't. I mean, it's still far
Speaker 2:Still really expensive. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Like, where we were in Austin... Well, not where we were in Austin. In Austin, like, you wanna travel somewhere. You're driving or you're flying. And if you're flying, it's expensive.
Speaker 3:If you're driving, it's eight hours to Big Bend National Park. Yeah. It's eight hours to New Orleans. Otherwise, it's eight hours to Oklahoma.
Speaker 2:Maybe even There's
Speaker 3:some good things in Oklahoma.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Or maybe even Kansas. I don't know. I can't remember how long it would take.
Speaker 3:To get somewhere that you wanna go, I mean, eight hours from where we are now, you're in Italy, you're in Paris, you're way past Barcelona, or you're on a super cheap,
Speaker 2:super short flight.
Speaker 3:Right. Your super cheap, super short flight to so many places. Yeah. So easily. Yeah.
Speaker 3:And they're short flights. Like, that's the thing. Right? Like, I always forgot. Like, Austin to LA was still like a three hour flight.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Right? But like, here to Barcelona's an hour. Here to Florence is an hour and a half. You know, here to what's the island you went to?
Speaker 2:Oh, Majorca or Menorca. It's like 45 Yeah.
Speaker 3:Right? I've I've done... I literally did an overnight to Amsterdam. Like, flew in in the morning, came back the next morning, and it was hour and a half flight. It's hour and a half, hour forty five to London.
Speaker 3:Like, just so easy. And, yeah, like, I get cabin fever real bad.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah. He did. He did not do well in COVID, let me tell you.
Speaker 3:Get it really bad. I just... I have to go. I have to go somewhere. I have to do something.
Speaker 3:I have to... Whether it's travel, getting on plane, train, automobile, go hiking, go camping, like be out in nature, just like go and sit. Like, I just... If I'm in the house for too long, unless I'm like just playing music nonstop, which I'm not because I'm fucking working all the time. Like, I just get so antsy in my pantsy, and I need to get the fuck out.
Speaker 3:And that was a huge driver for me of moving here. Again, June 2020, this is long before kids, I knew that that's what I wanted.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I I mean, but but when I do think about, like, having kids, being in Austin, Of course, we would take them to places like Barton Springs. We would take them to our friends' pools. Like, we would do stuff like that, but it wouldn't... It would not be the same as, like, you know, taking them, like, a quick drive to the mountains or a quick drive to the Mediterranean Sea or, you know, just being able to take them just out into literal nature the second we drive out here.
Speaker 2:It's just... It's it's... Again, you know, Austin, you know, there's the hill country right there, but it's just not... There's not as much available, I think, to when you have kids. So I don't know.
Speaker 2:I just think it would feel a lot more limiting for us for sure.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Can I, like? Because my brain right now is like thinking about all these different things that we've talked about. Yeah. And like we've...
Speaker 3:I feel like done this at... I think it was very concentrated, the like frequency that we would do this after we first moved, and when we were going through like in the peaks and valleys when we were in the valleys. Were having these conversations a lot. Mhmm. You know?
Speaker 3:And and I think, you know, whether you're trying to justify your decision, or you're just trying to be okay with yourself, I... Like, you know, we would do this for each other, or one of us would be like, the fuck did we do, man? Like, was this just the dumbest thing ever? Like, why did we go so hard on like burning the boat, and shipping shit here, and moving here, and whatever. And then the other person would essentially be like, here's what we would be doing though right now.
Speaker 2:If we were still in Austin.
Speaker 3:We would be in that house paying this mortgage. Now that we're with the kids, we would be doing this, but you would be taking on jobs, which means we'd have to either fly in family, or we'd have to hire help to watch them while we then flew here, and that means your spread is still not great because you're having to account for so many more costs. We'd be doing this and this. I'd be going into the office all the time. And like, there is that game of like, oh, okay.
Speaker 3:Well, you can't just sit there and be like, well, maybe the grass is greener, maybe we shouldn't. Like, you know, we do talk through it in detail, and it always comes back to episode two I think, which is our why. Why did we do this to begin with? Because you get into the weeds, and you have to feel... You have to find a way to like be okay.
Speaker 2:And I think... But I do think it's like... Because again, we we found ourselves in in the weeds a lot as we've talked about, but I just I just wanted to bring up this point again. Like, this is such an easy way to apply this to your own life. And any sort of decision that you're making, whether you're wanting to move abroad or just start a different part of your life, start a business, but it's just like anything that you decide that you want to change in your life, it's going to be difficult because you've never done it before most likely, and that you're going to sit in a lot of uncomfortable situations.
Speaker 2:You're going to feel like you don't know what you're doing.
Speaker 3:You're gonna have your brain stirring up conversations from what your your people are saying about you. For sure.
Speaker 2:But I think it's it's good to just know that it's good to sort of... I just... I love it. Like, when you think about, k, like, what was the turning point for me, and when did I feel like my life sort of split into two, and I could've, you know, I I came at... To a crossroads, and I could've taken one direction or the other, and I decided to take this one.
Speaker 2:What would have happened if I had, you know, taken the other one? And I think it... It's so good for your brain to realize, like, that life was... Even if it was amazing for a long time, there was a point where I knew that I was going to need to, like, transform and and and do something different, become someone, like, else, like, be challenged by something else. And so I feel like this is...
Speaker 2:Again, it's just, like, it's reflecting, and it's it's just good for you to do this, I think, when you reach those points of, like, having a rough day, needing to like reiterate why you're doing what you're doing.
Speaker 3:So And and again, I I I think that this is why I said I have this... Again, I don't know how else to say it. Like, the love hate is a little too strong for what I mean by it. But like, you you make a decision, move forward. The only way through it is move forward.
Speaker 3:You you did that. The whole reflecting thing, it's not to like question yourself, and it's not to do that. But I do think that it is a really interesting kind of mental exercise Yeah. Of, you know, a different kind of, you know, if journaling is your thing. Know, it's kind of that.
Speaker 3:It's like, hey, I wanna reflect on the decisions I've made, and just play that game of, alright, let's say I didn't make that decision. Well, where would I be? If you're thinking about, like Sophie was just saying, if you're thinking about like starting a company, and you play that game a year or two in to like the hell that you're going through through as a business owner, entrepreneur, whatever it is, thinking what if I didn't quit my job and go for this, or what if I didn't build this while I was still doing that job, and that's all I was doing every day? Like what would I even be interested in right now? What would I even be focusing on right now?
Speaker 3:Like it's it's always easy to just sit there and be like, ugh, it's really fucking hard right now, and I'm really miserable, and how do I just make myself happy? It's like that's not really the point. It's, you know, why did you make the decision in the first place? Everybody weathers storms, so if it helps, play the sliding doors game.
Speaker 2:And put things into perspective a little bit more for yourself. I hope I hope this was helpful. I hope you can think about things.
Speaker 3:I had fun. Talking about it.
Speaker 2:Well, it was helpful for us when we started like discussing this, but I think just for our audience, like just thinking about anything in your own life, and and putting that into perspective, and understanding, like, you know, whatever decisions you're making. I mean, anywhere you are in your life is because of a decision you've made, whether good or bad, and I think it's
Speaker 3:And just know that we're proud of you for trying Yeah. And taking a leap. For sure. And going for it. We love you, and you're awesome.
Speaker 3:And, you know, fuck the haters, even if it's your own brain being the hater. That's bullshit. You're awesome, and I love you.
Speaker 2:I have to tell you, which I know a lot of our audience loves when you curse, but you have been on a roll today.
Speaker 3:You have any idea what has been going on in my head for the last few weeks? Like, I'm shocked that I said anything but curse words. My bad. Look. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:Sometimes I like I like to swear, man.
Speaker 2:Girl, I have a
Speaker 3:lot of points to emphasize, and cursing is just the funnest way to do that. Cursing
Speaker 2:I love you.
Speaker 3:And croissants.
Speaker 2:I love you. So if you haven't yet, highly recommend you go watch Sliding Doors. You will not regret it. It's such a good nostalgic piece of cinema history, I would say.
Speaker 3:I do remember watching it with you, and it was really fun.
Speaker 2:So good.
Speaker 3:Also watch Wayne's World.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And Wayne's World. Oh my gosh. Absolutely. And I think that's it for today.
Speaker 2:But also great. Again, just DM us if you have any questions about this, if you wanna talk shop a little bit, and we will be, I think champagne or rose or something in hand next week as we officially celebrate two years and really reflect on, like, what this journey's been like so far in total.
Speaker 3:And some desserts.
Speaker 2:And some desserts of course. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Love you, buddy. This is fun. Thanks for listening, listener. You're the best.
Speaker 2:We'll see you next week, guys. Bye.
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