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David Howman (00:01)
Welcome one, welcome all to a very special, very spooky Halloween themed episode of Echo from the Buttes. I am your host David Howman joined as always by my co-hosts Tom Harden, Austin Bundy and Andrew Hazlett. And we're coming to you this Friday morning on Halloween talking about ASU football, all ASU sports, but really football with their game coming up on the road in Ames play in Iowa State. And there's lots to break down here.
Lots to talk about and fittingly lots to be afraid of because we know Sam Levitt won't be in this game, Jordan Tyson won't be in this game. There's not a lot of optimism around the program right now. Lots of things that we're gonna get into in this episode. We're gonna have a great time. It's gonna be super positive and uplifting. Before we get into the serious stuff though, in the spirit of Halloween, I wanna go around the horn with everybody and know what is your favorite Halloween?
treat, whatever it may be. That can be a food, can be a dessert, a snack, candy, whatever it is. I'm just gonna throw this out to you guys, whoever wants to start us off. Let's get some opinions in here.
Tom Hardon (01:13)
I'll take the first crack at it. The Tootsie Roll Child's Play snack mix is forever goaded. I will die on that hill. I actually have a bag sitting at my desk so that I can snack on it and not have to give it out at the door.
David Howman (01:30)
That's very specific. Like you had that one like in the chamber locked and loaded ready to go. I respect it. I don't agree with it, but I respect it.
Tom Hardon (01:37)
I would also
accept frozen Milky Ways as 1A. ⁓
David Howman (01:44)
These are very specific, Tom.
Tom Hardon (01:47)
Hey, lots of time with Halloween candy, so I've learned the go-tos.
Austen Bundy (01:47)
I've got a little more.
David Howman (01:54)
Do you have like a favorite, like a favorite Halloween candy, specifically if you're in Halloween falls on a Tuesday night versus a Monday night? Like how far does it look?
Tom Hardon (02:02)
No, I don't go that
advanced. That's about as advanced as I'll go.
David Howman (02:08)
Okay.
Austen Bundy (02:09)
We were one step away from Tom giving us the analytics play there.
David Howman (02:13)
I know, it feels like when
Tom Hardon (02:15)
You see 42 % of the
David Howman (02:15)
you're in the fourth quarter of...
Tom Hardon (02:17)
time when you eat a Milky Way.
David Howman (02:19)
It feels like when you're in the fourth quarter of a blowout game and the broadcast puts up like the most obscure says like this is the first game ever where a quarterback threw for 200 yards in the first quarter while eating a sandwich on Thursday like We're really getting into the weeds here
Austen Bundy (02:32)
you
Tom Hardon (02:34)
But what kind of sandwich? That's the question.
Austen Bundy (02:39)
I've got a little bit of a more basic favorite. mean this is it's a little more generic but a Reese's cup is usually my my go-to but we're going obscure my all-time favorite like just candy of any time of the year because you rarely see it I'm sad you rarely see it on Halloween is Swedish fish normally when you go and
Tom Hardon (02:57)
⁓
Austen Bundy (02:59)
do trick or treat like I was out shopping for Halloween candy just last weekend and at Walmart seeing the bags of stuff that you can get which I mean crazy nowadays how they've gotten smaller and more expensive but ⁓ any of these rare bags I would say that do have Swedish fish in them they're the like literally just an individual fish in its own wrapping that you're giving kids and I'm just like that's disappointing like at least give them like the bag with like seven to eight mini
fishes in like in there it doesn't make any sense anymore but Swedish fishes might go to any time of the year but a Reese's you like to see on Halloween as well
David Howman (03:40)
Now I have to clarify on the Reese's because I agree Reese's, as Tom put it Reese's actually is goaded. It's great 100 % of the time, any time of the year. But are you going with just a Reese's cup or are you going with a Reese's pumpkin? Because it tastes different based on the shape.
Austen Bundy (03:57)
very different. I'm sticking with the cup. I've had the pumpkins before and I can tell you right now I still I don't believe they're made in the same facility. You can't convince me. They may have the same wrapper but I don't believe they're made in the same place.
Andrew Hayslett (04:13)
Yeah, for me, interestingly enough, ASU football put out a video asking players what their favorite Halloween candy was of three options. Reese's Peanut Butter Cups, which was Austin's answer, not mine, but ⁓ Sour Patch Kids and then Almond Joy. No one picked Almond Joy.
David Howman (04:38)
us an option.
Tom Hardon (04:38)
good reason.
Andrew Hayslett (04:39)
I don't
know why they, of the three, of the top three Halloween candies, don't think that's one based off popular, on the popular choice. But for me, I do like coconut and I'm going to be very similar to Almond Joy. I like mounds as my favorite. That's, yeah, mounds. That's what I like. It, it.
David Howman (04:57)
Gosh.
Tom Hardon (04:58)
Hmm
David Howman (05:01)
Bounds? That's your character?
So what's the difference?
Because Almond Joy has coconut, right? So what's the difference between Almond Joy and Mound?
Andrew Hayslett (05:10)
Yeah, it has an almond.
The mounds don't have the arm.
David Howman (05:16)
Okay, so you like mounds because it's just like pure unadulterated coconut.
Andrew Hayslett (05:22)
Yeah.
Austen Bundy (05:24)
Psycho.
Tom Hardon (05:25)
See if I
was forced to choose between the two, I'd the Almond Joy because at least there's a little bit of a crunch with the almond.
David Howman (05:25)
Hahahaha
Yeah.
Andrew Hayslett (05:32)
just don't think those flavors go together as much as not. That's my opinion. I know I'm like one of two people in the world with that opinion, but...
Austen Bundy (05:43)
Yeah, the
other one's my mom. She's an Almond Joy person. Hand mounds.
Andrew Hayslett (05:51)
Yeah. Hey, I'd always say, hey, you want to trade for Almond Joy? I'll give you one Butterfinger for two Almond Joys at Halloween.
Austen Bundy (06:04)
I think you made out with the better end of that deal.
Tom Hardon (06:04)
⁓
Whoever gets the butterfinger is definitely winning that trade.
David Howman (06:10)
Yeah. I'm well, you know, it's like the people who like the yellow starburst too. It's like, like you need that person in your group because someone's got to take them out and someone's got to take the yellow starburst. It's not going to be me.
Tom Hardon (06:21)
Summary is coming here.
Austen Bundy (06:23)
You
Andrew Hayslett (06:27)
I also do like the yellow Starburst. I don't know if that's my f- I think either yellow or red's my favorite, but it's been too long. I know orange is my least favorite.
David Howman (06:29)
No
Austen Bundy (06:30)
my God, of course he does.
Tom Hardon (06:35)
the two worst ones.
David Howman (06:37)
Yuck!
Tom Hardon (06:40)
.
Andrew Hayslett (06:40)
Well, thankfully,
I guess this isn't a candy podcast, but at this point it might be. Next week, next week I-
David Howman (06:44)
Yeah.
Yeah, know, Andrew, that's good
though. that's, again, like I said, you need that kind of person in every group. that is, you you're like the glue guy of any championship team, you know. You're our Andre Iquodalla, if you will.
Austen Bundy (06:58)
Hahaha
Who do I want taking that shot? Andre Iguodala.
Andrew Hayslett (07:04)
Who is?
David Howman (07:07)
Exactly.
Andrew Hayslett (07:10)
Next week it'll be like we'll be discussing I've gotten with my friends that I have the weirdest uniform takes so Maybe that might be next week
David Howman (07:20)
Yeah, that'll be next week, you know, tune in next week. But yeah, okay, well, you guys, you all had some sort of unique answer in one way or another, and now I feel like the onus is on me to deliver too, but I'm very basic. I Reese's all day every day. ⁓ I do like Snickers. I'll go with Snickers anytime. ⁓
But for me, mean, it's like, what candy am I liking? It's not just for Halloween. There's nothing specific to Halloween. ⁓ I'll throw all my unorthodox answer will be not even a candy at all, pumpkin pie. And I love pumpkin pie anytime in the fall. For me, pumpkin pie, you start eating that in the beginning of October, you have it on Halloween. Then you go all the way through Thanksgiving, all the way down to Christmas.
So that was the first thing I thought of and then you guys all stuck strictly candy and I was like, all right, we went in different directions.
Tom Hardon (08:21)
Thanks.
See here you're implying that people actually stop eating pumpkin pie throughout the year.
Austen Bundy (08:28)
nobody said it.
Andrew Hayslett (08:31)
you
David Howman (08:33)
That's, well they don't sell it all throughout the year. That's my problem.
Andrew Hayslett (08:37)
You gotta make it, I make my own pumpkin pie.
Tom Hardon (08:37)
you can make it.
Austen Bundy (08:37)
when you gotta make
it.
David Howman (08:41)
I'm really happy for you. I know myself and I don't want to eat anything that I've baked.
Austen Bundy (08:49)
At least none of us here said candy corn.
David Howman (08:55)
Yeah, I want to get everyone's opinion on Candy Corner and then we'll talk about actual... Tom's raising his thumb.
Austen Bundy (08:58)
Hahaha
Tom Hardon (09:02)
Big yes on candy corn.
David Howman (09:03)
Big yes on candy corn for Tom. Andrew?
Andrew Hayslett (09:07)
mild yes for me. It's not my favorite, it's good. I'll have it if someone were to give me candy corn, like, yeah, I'll take it, but it's not my first or fifth or 10th pick in the candy draft, this hypothetical candy draft that I think enough.
David Howman (09:23)
Yeah, it's
like a priority free agent, undrafted free agent, you know.
Andrew Hayslett (09:27)
Yeah.
Yeah.
David Howman (09:31)
That's fair.
Austen Bundy (09:31)
It's
never my first choice. It's always that for me candy corn is the candy that I have one and then I'm good. If I have any more, it ruins it.
David Howman (09:42)
Yeah, candy corn is not on my draft board. ⁓ There's too many red flags for me. If people give me candy corn, I'm not gonna eat it.
Austen Bundy (09:51)
you
Tom Hardon (09:52)
You know, I'll give you my address and you can mail me some candy corn if you have a line around.
David Howman (09:53)
Alright, Tom.
Yeah,
yeah, I'll send you all my candy corn and you know what? It will not change one bit in its genetic makeup from when I send it to when it gets there and that's the problem that I have with it.
Andrew Hayslett (10:12)
think if you were due to same with me with the mounds they'd all melt so.
David Howman (10:17)
which is a point in your favor for being pro-mountains versus candy corn.
But like Andrew said, we are not a candy podcast. I'm sure we could sit here and talk much more about candy. And maybe we'll bring it up again in the future. I'm bringing up pumpkin pie when we get closer to Thanksgiving as well.
Lots of opinions there. We'll get to it. But we do also want to talk about ASU football. Of course, things aren't feeling great right now. You know, another loss and kind of feels like they're out of the Big 12 picture at this point. And now not only do we know, like I said at the top of the show, Sam Levitt's going to be out this week. Jordan Tyson's going to be out this week. Kenny Dillingham has left the door open that both of them may miss more time down the road. He doesn't know when they're going to be back.
which means that Jeff Simms will get another start and it's on the road. It's in Ames playing Iowa State, which of course these two teams met in the big 12 title game a little under a year ago. Went very well for the Sun Devils. And this year ⁓ stakes are a little lower for both teams. Neither of them are firmly in the hunt for the big 12 title game at this point. And it feels very different, especially for ASU. So. ⁓
What is everybody's first take first thought and impression heading into this week? Where are we all at? Like let's let's just do a mental wellness check. Where are we all at as as ⁓ as ASU fans going into this weekend?
Andrew Hayslett (11:53)
I'll go first as I'm falling into darkness in my room here. I'm gonna be in the witness protection program here in a few moments, but-
David Howman (11:56)
You
Austen Bundy (12:00)
Anonymous
David Howman (12:02)
Yeah,
Austen Bundy (12:02)
course.
David Howman (12:03)
you need like a voice changer or something.
Andrew Hayslett (12:06)
But regardless, this point last year ASU was conference record was also had two losses. But at that point for me, I had hope I had optimism. Coming off of a year where it was pretty much a train wreck in terms of how the program was in 2023. Seeing actual results in 2024 said, OK, if ASU is able to win out and then these other few things happen.
ASU could be in the Big 12 championship game and we eventually saw Kansas playing spoiler to a bunch of teams, not them, a bunch of teams lower that allowed ASU to get into the Big 12 championship. I think that that part and someone playing spoiler a few times is going to happen, but this, this, just don't feel the same optimism for this Arizona state team winning out. Which was crazy to think of.
week ago I was in different spirits ⁓ but regardless yeah regardless it's going to Iowa State this week ⁓ down Levitt I think is just a dagger at this point Jeff Sims hasn't in the two games that he started hasn't shown anything that is so
David Howman (13:07)
just a little bit.
Andrew Hayslett (13:31)
Okay, maybe Arizona State can win these few games down the road. I don't see, yes, he did look good at the end of the game in Houston, but that was kind of scramble mode at this point where we haven't felt like it. We haven't seen Jeff Sims really perform at a level and then possibly being down Tyson. It's, it's a long hell to go.
The good news is from last year's team, Rock Gobeck's top two targets are in the NFL, but the back does run a little bit and Iowa State likes to use their tight ends a bit, which is something ASU hasn't done well on defense, is covering tight ends. The good news is for ASU is Iowa's top two corners are out and I think they're down another one as well. So that...
could help the receivers a bit but my confidence in them is not super high because yes, Derek, ⁓ Eusebio's shown he can do it, Shaman Mateer's shown he can do it, you've seen Jaren Hamilton be able to be good at one point, Malik McLean same thing, the problem is none of those guys
Really, Shaman Matei is the only ⁓ exception there. Those guys really have shown they can do it in multiple games this season. for ASU to have a win this week, we would have to see two of them have good games, I think. And then Jalen Moss as well possibly do something as well. So I'm going to turn my light on because it's dark in here.
Tom Hardon (14:58)
Thank
David Howman (15:26)
You
Tom Hardon (15:26)
⁓
I'm going to be clever with words here and play devil's advocate a little bit. ⁓ I think that having a full week of Jeff Sims knowing that he is going to be the starter is putting him at least on the surface and a better situation than the game at Utah. think that the scramble mode that we saw at the end of the game last weekend against Houston.
plays well into the success for him. And he did look solid in those limited reps. I'm not going to go as far as saying he looked good, but it was a very serviceable performance. You kind of got the feeling of, OK, maybe we've got something here if there is the right amount of time put towards it.
That being said it is an uphill battle to climb being out being down both love it and Tyson, but you know I'm gonna lean into my optimist roots and Think that you know, I'm gonna say that you know, we're gonna still find that next player who steps up and is able to carry the load in their absence and at least make this a
Competitive game. I think that you know two teams in in their hand downward trajectories as a potential to be an ugly win for whoever does come out on top and I Know I'm gonna stay true to my roots. I think that somehow some way Arizona State will find the way to just Be that slight edge less bad
David Howman (17:23)
You know, that was optimistic. Be slightly less bad.
Andrew Hayslett (17:28)
you
Tom Hardon (17:28)
You
Austen Bundy (17:31)
I'm gonna lean into my chronically online personality here and say I'm feeling not great, ⁓ mean, Ames is a very difficult place to play, period, even if you did have Levitt, even if you did have Tyson. The fact that you're not gonna have either one of them going into this game, to me, I feel like this is a game where ASU fans are gonna turn on the TV and just be like, what are you gonna do?
David Howman (17:38)
You
Austen Bundy (18:00)
They're on like my team's playing today. It's about as good as it's gonna get. We'll see what happens. ⁓ I mean, who knows because Iowa State has also been extremely inconsistent this year. ⁓ Rocco Beck with injuries and inconsistent play has not been the MVP type player they all thought he was gonna be. ⁓ I'm not sure if they're on the same level as a Kansas State who was favored to win the conference this year and completely blew it, but. ⁓
Iowa State is very good at home. mean look at look at their rivals in Iowa who are doing a pretty decent job at beating Big Ten opponents. I mean they're not going to the Big Ten Championship game. They're not going to the college football playoff. But if you had to look at anybody in the Big Ten right now that is not a CFP contender, like the best team out of the rest of that group is Iowa right now.
and they got handled by Iowa State as much as it was a low scoring game last second field goal they needed to win at home. Iowa State's defense really held Iowa to a substandard play. So if ASU's not going to be 100 % on its own offense going in there, it could get ugly pretty quickly. But if we're looking overall at the season for the Sun Devils, it's getting late very early. And I think we are
just about one bad game away from calling it wraps and looking forward to playing someone like I don't know Minnesota at the Holiday Bowl or something.
David Howman (19:32)
Minnesota kitchen strays, I love it.
Austen Bundy (19:34)
you
Tom Hardon (19:35)
turnpull or bust.
Austen Bundy (19:36)
Yep.
David Howman (19:38)
Yeah, I'll take the Pop-Tart Bull. It's a fun experience there. ⁓ But I think another thing that's on my mind going into this game too, obviously there's the headline of course is, know, Levitt, Tyson, the injuries all over. ⁓ But also I think this is gonna be the first game that we see without Charlie Riegel there as a special teams coordinator, of course.
uh, it was announced on Sunday, he's stepping away from the program for health reasons. Um, and, and there's, you never really know how something like that is gonna, is gonna resonate with the team because, um, I mean, we've talked on here before about special teams in particular and how it's, it hasn't been great. Uh, and, and specifically conversations around Charlie Regal, obviously there's, you know, you, we can all separate the, the person from the-
football aspect of it all. And however you feel about the special team side of things, one thing that has been consistent all year long is the players love Charlie Regal. He's nobody has a single bad word to say about Charlie Regal, the man. And when somebody like that has to leave the program, sometimes it can it can have that that motivating factor of like, hey, let's go win this one for him. Other times it can have the
reverse impact of like, like, man, we like our special teams was so bad that it led to him essentially leaving, which isn't exactly the way that he put it, but essentially it exacerbated some health issues that led to him stepping away. and that can be a deflating effect as well. And, know, we'll also see now Jack Nudo, who's been the assistant special teams coordinator has kind of pitched in around a few, few different areas as well. This is going to be his first game.
actually coordinating special teams ⁓ with obviously a ⁓ emphasis on improving play on that side of the thing too. ⁓ And so that's kind of what I have my eye on most is what if anything is going to be different there and also how does the team as a whole respond to Regal not being there on the sidelines anymore? Because he was special teams coordinator, but he was also I think the assistant head coach or associate head coach, I forget which one was his title, but
I mean, he touched every part of that program. It wasn't like he only focused on special teams. So I'm really curious to see how everybody, all the players respond to that different feeling there on the sidelines in this one.
Andrew Hayslett (22:18)
Yeah, I agree. Personally, Charlie Regal was the first coach I ever interviewed for ASU football. And he on that day, I remember him making me feel very welcome as a journalist. And I just appreciate that as just a human being, because you can just look over
a college kid and just barely talk to him, but he actually talked to me, got to know me as a person a little bit, which I appreciated. ⁓ I've only talked to the guy twice and I see why he was so loved. He's that type of person. And on Monday in the press conference, that was...
That was just a weird press conference to cover when Kenny talked because it just felt the the the air in the building felt weird. And I don't know if that's a good thing. Bad thing. We'll see. ⁓ In terms of what we've seen different so far, we've seen different things from Jack Nudo at practice is on what was that Tuesday? He held
practice for the specialists completely outside for all the media to see Canyon Floyd was at one point right next to me practicing his punts on just running through the drop motion which it's different and I think we're gonna see some different things out of the special teams union as a whole will they be better worse the same I don't know that's up for
them to execute but coach Riegel sending all the best wishes to you if you're listening. That's all I have to say there.
Tom Hardon (24:22)
And this definitely has the chance to galvanize the team with Regal really being ⁓ Coach Dillingham's mentor over the years. It ⁓ hits especially close to home for him. He's losing such a valuable asset to his staff, only professionally, but personally as well. ⁓
David Howman (24:31)
Thank you.
Tom Hardon (24:46)
I'm you talk about the the air in the building feeling different and honestly that's to be expected and I think being so soon after him stepping away there was still obviously some some flux with you know with how everybody is grasping it but you know I like to think that throughout this week you know it's it's been that mentality or maybe not necessarily drilling in let's win it for Charlie but
kind of an understated, let's absolutely give the best that we can with Charlie Young.
David Howman (25:23)
Yeah, yeah, and it's, it's, I mean, it's not, it's not only the absence of Charlie Wagle, but it's also the fact that, I mean, they, you know, they've lost now two conference games, three games on the year, and everybody's kind of writing them off in a sense. And I know Kenny Dillingham, yeah, he said like, hey, we've got as many conference losses as we did last year. last year was great. You know, we're still in this thing.
And I, you know, I get it. I'm like, what else is he supposed to say? But also there is that sense of everybody's writing them off. And, and again, similarly that can go one of two ways. The players can do what they did last year when they were picked to finish last and say, all right, let's just go show these people why they're dead wrong. Or, you know, it can also be like, yeah, you're right. The season's cooked. Like we've got nothing left in the tank. mean, our quarterback's not even out there. ⁓
you know, how are we supposed to win this game? And so it feels, it definitely feels a lot like the season is teetering on the brink of disaster, which brings me to what I'm excited to get into, in weird sense of with this being our Halloween episode, I've asked each of our each of our members here to come up with a spooky prediction for
ASU football season. Tom, I think I'm going to start with you because I think I'm ready to sink my teeth into this one.
Tom Hardon (27:00)
putting me on the spot here, all right. ⁓ My prediction is actually coming from off the field and with the recent ⁓ happenings regarding tailgating, all tailgating suspended for the 2026 season. That's my spooky prediction.
David Howman (27:03)
Yeah.
And so for those who don't know the recent happenings, what have been the recent happenings?
Tom Hardon (27:23)
Good, I bet it.
⁓ recently there's been, ⁓ been concerns over, ⁓ long time fans who have been tailgating in the, the parking structure, I believe by, ⁓ by Monoplamur Aquatic Center and ahead of last week's game against Houston were summarily told, ⁓ only vehicles are allowed in these spots. No tailgating paraphernalia and you know.
there's absolutely no tailgating. believe it was campus police that was on the scene enforcing and there was lots of, lots of.
just confusion over the entire situation. I know that that AD Graham Rossini has been actively commenting and will have further updates regarding tailgating in that structure, I believe ahead of West Virginia. But there's the top level overview of what's been going on.
David Howman (28:38)
Yeah, so I mean, and you know, it's interesting to watch for me from afar because I'm not there in Arizona, but I of course went to Arizona State and I always knew like one of the biggest complaints that I've always heard and agree with in building up the fan base, not just for ASU football, but for all sports is just that there's always been kind of a discouragement of
tailgating because it's supposed to be a dry campus. I mean technically it is dry campus, wink wink. ⁓ tailgating of course, while it is not inherently alcoholic, you know, it's gonna, there's gonna be alcohol there. And so I always have always had that thing in my mind of like, hey, that's the reason why people don't show up and get excited for games is because we don't get to tailgate the way that
they do in the SCC or they do in the Big Ten where they're out there at 6.30 in the morning and they're just hanging out there until kickoff. And that's something that Kenny Dillingham has talked about encouraging more of since taking the job is that's part of activating the value. That's part of getting the fan base involved and excited. And it sounded like that was something that Graham Racini was also in agreement with. ⁓ So I don't know what's gonna happen.
going forward. think if Tom's spooky prediction does come true, then consider the Valley deactivated because that is, like that's been a consistent complaint that a lot of people have had over the years. And if it just gets completely banned, that is a really great way. That will take more wind out of the sails of this fan base than any losing season really ever could, in my opinion.
Austen Bundy (30:33)
Do they not already let them tailgate over the parking structures where they off to the side of where they do like the devil walk behind Desert Financial? ⁓
Tom Hardon (30:44)
I can speak to tailgating in the surface lots on the north side of the stadium and going down the east side in between Molina and Mountain America Stadium. ⁓ The parking structures, I'm not 100 % sure if tailgating is specifically prohibited or not. ⁓ I can just speak to seeing tailgating going on in those surface lots.
Austen Bundy (31:17)
I feel like this is, you don't wanna see it happen, we've seen President Crow, we've seen the university be a buzzkill before. So hopefully they make the right decision here and embrace the fans as opposed to going the opposite just to save face or just to double down on whatever policy they've got in place. mean.
Tom Hardon (31:29)
And
Austen Bundy (31:43)
The ASU has a reputation already, but I feel like at this point you lean into it rather than being the butt of the joke and it just will work out better for you in the long run.
Tom Hardon (31:57)
And it's interesting with this coming on the heels of some of the ongoing ⁓ improvements to overall athletic facilities. Part of the funding has been earmarked for indoor premium tailgating ⁓ space. So it's interesting to see how this will shake up those developments.
David Howman (32:20)
Yeah, it's definitely something to watch and we'll all be watching it. ⁓ And hopefully, hopefully none of these spooky predictions come true. By the way, we're, we're, we are manifesting the worst in order to make sure that it doesn't happen because as we all know, at least three of us aren't that great at predicting ASU stuff recently. Which is not, is not, certainly is not me taking a victory lap for predicting an ASU loss last week because
I would never take joy in that. But I was right. I'm not gloating, but I'm not not gloating. I'm just pointing out. One of us was right. ⁓ But in that spirit, I'll share my spunky prediction, which again, also hope is is wrong.
Tom Hardon (32:54)
you're not not floating.
Austen Bundy (33:07)
It was so two weeks ago, David.
David Howman (33:17)
And my spooky prediction is that at the end of the season, Kenny Dillingham leaves for one of these open jobs, whether it be Penn State, LSU, Florida, any of the other dominoes that fall as a result of these other jobs coming open. And that he essentially just says, you know, I'm not getting the support and the resources that I need here at Arizona State. And I know that these others are, you know, LSU, you know.
You go there, you win a national championship unless you're Brian Kelly. ⁓ You know, Penn State needs somebody to.
Austen Bundy (33:52)
Let's be careful.
LSU is not going to ⁓ pick its next head coach. Apparently the president is going to do that.
Andrew Hayslett (33:59)
you
David Howman (33:59)
President,
governor, whomever. ⁓ But Kenny's coached in that region. He was at Florida State, he was at Auburn. He knows his way around the bayou, so he might be able to get in there. Whether it's LSU or anywhere else, that's my spooky prediction is that Kenny gets to the end of the season of what looks like it's gonna be kind of a come back down to earth season after last year and says, you know what?
My stock's high, I'm gonna cash in on it and I'm gonna go take that better job.
Tom Hardon (34:32)
The only thing, only two points I'll make to the LSU argument is will they be able to afford Kenny with the buyout they're paying to Brian Kelly and will Kenny even want to step into that situation with all that turmoil going on in Baton Rouge?
David Howman (34:51)
LSU allows tailgating.
Austen Bundy (34:55)
step into the LSU job if Sam follows them.
Tom Hardon (34:56)
But it's counting tailgating.
Andrew Hayslett (34:59)
Here's something I'm gonna kind of piggyback off that Ole Miss current head coach Lane Kiffin takes the LSU job possibly because his daughter's boyfriend plays there and then Kenny goes to Ole Miss instead. That's my amendment to that possibly if he does leave which I don't expect that.
Home is where the heart is and home is in Tempe, Arizona for Kenny Dillingham.
Tom Hardon (35:35)
shout out my man Dan Trujillo with this shirt Tempe versus everybody.
David Howman (35:40)
I love it. Andrew, I'm gonna do you one better. Lane Kiffin goes to LSU, Ole Miss hires Lincoln Riley away from USC, and Kenny goes to USC.
Andrew Hayslett (35:52)
Hmm, that would be interesting.
Austen Bundy (35:56)
I don't think Kenny would thrive in the Big Ten, to be honest with you.
David Howman (36:02)
I don't, I mean, it's, but it's similar geographically as far as recruiting.
Austen Bundy (36:08)
Yeah, but do you wanna... Is he gonna want to step into the problem that you've got? I Lincoln Riley was already ⁓ making excuses for not wanting to play Notre Dame anymore because they don't want to have to keep traveling to ⁓ the Midwest for their games, even though they blew up the Pac-12 just so they could join a conference that is based in the Midwest. So, I mean, I feel like Kenny's a little smarter than that, but give him a little credit. I don't think he jumps over...
David Howman (36:08)
similar color scheme even.
Tom Hardon (36:12)
No, that's Scarlet.
what I have to say to that.
Austen Bundy (36:37)
for the brand name of USC but trading off the fact that you've got to go travel to Champaign, Illinois or Minneapolis in the middle of November.
David Howman (36:49)
Yeah, I mean, to be honest, I don't see him leaving, partially because I think he truly does want to stay in Tempe, but also I think that this season in particular, the way that it's kind of fallen off the rails, I don't think that his stock is actually going to be high enough for a Penn State, for an LSU, because I mean,
In Penn State's situation, they fired James Franklin who, you know, obviously everybody talked about, like he can't beat top 10, top five teams. But outside of that, I mean, he won a lot. He's won a lot of games. He's got a really, really good overall record. Penn State's not firing James Franklin to go get a guy who's coming off of a down year like Kenny Dillingham will be in ⁓ comparison to last season.
And that's said with all due respect to Kenny Dillingham, who I'm still very much firmly pro Kenny Dillingham. But you you win the big 12 and a lot of people were having the narrative in the off season of, it's just Kim Scataboo. And you know, we all said it's not Kim Scataboo. It's a whole lot more than that. And I don't think that's the reason that they're not as good this year, but in retrospect, it's very easy to say, ⁓ yeah, everybody was right. It was just Kim Scataboo.
rather than Kenny Dillingham being this master architect to wear a Penn State or an LSU that's looking for the guy that's going to win a national championship aren't going to say, let's hand the keys to this guy. ⁓ I think that's probably the biggest reason why he's still coaching at Tempe in 2026. But also I do believe that he's happy here. He wants to be here. He wants to bring this program to the mountaintop. ⁓
and I feel like it would take a lot of things going very poorly in Tempe as well as an amazing job coming knocking and I don't see those two things happening in tandem. But that would be a very spooky thing to have happen and that's very fitting for my spooky prediction that I hope never sees a light of day.
Austen Bundy (39:05)
If there's one name, like realistically in college football right now that is on the up and up that I think could land one of those SEC jobs, it's Clark Leia down at Vanderbilt. Especially if he can... Yeah, exactly. So I mean, there's a loyalty factor there, but the fact that someone like Diego Pave is probably leaving after this season, even though he probably wants another year of eligibility, you might as well make him the immortal college football player at this point.
David Howman (39:15)
who also is coaching at his alma mater.
We'll try.
Tom Hardon (39:32)
We accept you're a senior.
Austen Bundy (39:34)
Seventh year letterman.
David Howman (39:37)
Yeah, I'm down.
Austen Bundy (39:41)
Hahaha
Tom Hardon (39:42)
Go the Brendan Whedon route.
David Howman (39:44)
Yeah
But yeah, it's, it's, the thing I love the most is people saying that Clark Lay should get hired to Penn State, which is of course, the last coach to win at Vanderbilt was James Franklin, and then he got hired to Penn State. I think that's a perfect, perfect route for them to go. But I don't think it'll be Kenny Dillingham going anywhere. But that is my spooky prediction. That's something that would scare all of us.
in Tempe and around Sun Devil Nation. ⁓ Andrew, ⁓ what's your spooky prediction for us?
Andrew Hayslett (40:26)
Kind of in the same vein, would be Sam Levitt doesn't declare for the NFL draft, instead transfers. At this point, we've seen Levitt be good, but not great, not at a ceiling, and maybe he feels that, maybe coaching isn't where he wants it to be. He says, okay, I'll try somewhere else. Something similar to Jaden Daniels with Herm Edwards.
But I think the reason why it's not gonna happen is Kenny Dillingham is a lot better coach than Kerm Edwards was and what Kerm Edwards ever will be because yeah. ⁓
Tom Hardon (41:08)
I think a potato is a better coach.
Austen Bundy (41:11)
said his name three
times, he's gonna appear.
Tom Hardon (41:13)
Thank
Andrew Hayslett (41:14)
⁓
of the two ESPN analysts that were coaches that I can think of, actually three, with Rex Ryan, Jeff Saturday, and Herm Edwards. Herm Edwards had the worst time of the three, and that's including a guy who was hired straight off of ESPN to be the Indianapolis Colts head coach. So, with that said, yes, it could happen, but it's unlikely.
at this point, well, it could happen, it's like just put it in the back of your mind, see how the season goes. And if the season does happen to be underwhelming, that chance grows to something that I think we could see. like we said, I don't think this is gonna
Tom Hardon (42:09)
Speaking of coaches who are also ESPN analysts, didn't Matt Brown also moonlight as an ESPN analyst before going to North Carolina?
Austen Bundy (42:17)
did he was on the college was a college scoreboard or whatever that little the show in between games game breaks and stuff now Dan Mullins they're doing that
David Howman (42:18)
think you did.
Yeah. ⁓
No, Dan Mullins in Vegas.
Austen Bundy (42:32)
Where'd he go? is he the head coach there now?
David Howman (42:33)
UNLV. Yeah,
Tom Hardon (42:35)
That's right.
David Howman (42:36)
yeah. He's with the running Rebels.
Austen Bundy (42:39)
when did I miss that? How did it live on that one?
David Howman (42:41)
Yeah
⁓ you know, another, another former ESPN analyst who got into coaching, ⁓ with the former Arizona state head coach. don't want to say his name a third time to make him appear, but, Antonio Pierce was, that was where the connection came with that other coach was they had been at ESPN together. ⁓ and he did great. ⁓ you know, cratered the Arizona state program and cratered the
Austen Bundy (42:57)
He who shall not be named.
David Howman (43:13)
Las Vegas Raiders program and I mean, guess he didn't destroy the Raiders.
Tom Hardon (43:18)
They did a good enough
job of that on their own.
David Howman (43:21)
Yeah, Josh McDaniels destroyed the Reyners, but Antonio Piers certainly didn't help. So, ⁓ don't hire from ESPN, is I think the message there. But I do think, honestly, I think Andrew might be onto something with a spooky prediction because I kind of, I think that's the most realistic of the three that we've heard already. And I hate to say that, but Andrew, like you were saying,
You know, he didn't have the year that he thought he was going to have this year, whether it was injuries, whether it was maybe expectations getting a little out of hand, whatever it was. But also the fact that, you know, Jordan Tyson probably will not be back next year. He could come back for another year of eligibility, but also Kenny Dillingham has said like 50 times already in press conferences this year, he's probably the top receiver in the draft this year. I think that's a pretty good indication.
Andrew Hayslett (44:14)
Yeah.
David Howman (44:16)
Jordan Tyson knows, even though ASU's not been amazing this year, Jordan Tyson has, and he knows he's gonna be a first round pick, he knows he could very well be a top 10 pick. And so not only is there the coaching aspect of it, and we don't really know what Sam Levitt's relationship is like with Marcus Arroyo, who's come under a lot of fire this year, ⁓ but he's also gonna be losing his top weapon, really the only guy that he likes to throw to. And...
Andrew Hayslett (44:44)
and Shaman Mateer too.
David Howman (44:45)
And Shaman Mateyar, who he occasionally throws to, not nearly enough for the four of us here. But there's gonna be changes in terms of the personnel that he's working with next year. There may also potentially be some coaching staff changes. I know they retained all 10 assistants from last year. That's very rare. And so I see the argument of why he would leave. Obviously...
Tom Hardon (44:51)
any of our liking.
David Howman (45:14)
You know, he also has a good relationship with Kenny Dillingham. He might say, hey, I want to come back. want to be the leader and, you know, help recruit other people. But he also may be looking at Jane Daniels and saying, worked for him. And he got to the SEC. He got a, he got a bag there. He did very well there and he's doing well on Sundays. I want that for me. I don't see that happening in Tempe.
Andrew Hayslett (45:38)
Yeah, ASU has a four-star QB commit Jake Fett coming in next year as well. But there's just a lot of factors. You look at injuries. It's not just Levitt. I saw a tweet. don't know who or I actually was Kenny talking on his press conference ⁓ post practice Wednesday, I believe. He said that there were
of the six people that ASU brought to media days, four of which are injured right now. Levitt, Tyson, Ben Coleman, Xavion Alford. That's arguably your four most important pieces on your team. Also, Kyson Brown's been injured a lot of the year too, so that's another guy. The only two guys that have been healthy are...
CJ fight and Not quite sure who the other guy they brought to media days was off the top of my head. I know dick dick I Think that's right. So you're too defensive lineman are the you the two's healthy at this point and I'm kind of an honorable mention spooky prediction is that if at this at this point with the seasons going we might see those two injured at this at
David Howman (46:44)
I think it was Clayton Smith.
Andrew Hayslett (47:05)
because the way everything's gone, so.
Austen Bundy (47:08)
The media day curse.
Andrew Hayslett (47:09)
Yeah.
David Howman (47:12)
Yeah, that, I mean, I hate that. Thank you.
Austen Bundy (47:18)
Thanks, I hate it.
David Howman (47:19)
Yeah, so ⁓ lots of spooky stuff being put out there. Again, we're putting it into the universe so that it doesn't happen. And I remind everyone of that because ⁓ our last spooky prediction is probably the worst thing ever. So Austin, go ahead, take us home.
Austen Bundy (47:43)
I'm going to continue my reputation of being the Debbie Downer of the group weekend and week out. My spooky prediction, Arizona State does not retain the territorial cup. I am I am nourished by your hatred here. ⁓
David Howman (47:47)
You
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Tom Hardon (47:56)
Goooo
David Howman (47:59)
Get off the stage!
Austen Bundy (48:06)
this I mean just the way that the season is going where they can't field an entirely healthy roster your we've hardly played half a season with both Tyson and Leavitt on the field at the same time. ⁓
You would hope that this middle part of the season is the part of the season where they need to rest up and then eventually at the end here for the last regular game of the season, the territorial cup game, they're healthy and they're playing. ⁓ But it may be too little too late if any of that chemistry is lost in that missed time. If other people get injured later on the season that are not going to.
Andrew Hayslett (48:28)
you
Austen Bundy (48:44)
allow the offense or allow any part of the team to act cohesively when it matters most. It just feels like ASU is in one of those funks where one thing may get fixed but then another part of the car just starts to break and you're constantly in and out of the shop trying to get it fixed. ⁓
I feel like the territorial cup game as much as you get like this teams will get up and play for it's not a lot of there's a lot of guys that may actually play through injuries for it but
We've all seen down years for U of A that have turned into territorial cup wins for them in the past. So if there's ever gonna be a year where they take advantage of an ASU that is on paper much better than them, it would be this year just because of the bad luck, the bad chances type of year that ASU has had. Like it would just be the...
poetic nail in the coffin for the season if ASU were to fall flat on its face the last regular season game here and lose the territorial cup to a U of A team that they really should beat to as close a margin as they did last year.
David Howman (50:00)
Yeah, the stunned silence is revealing. Andrew's shaking his head and rolling his eyes.
Tom Hardon (50:06)
I'm gonna ⁓
I'm gonna lean into Austin's prediction just a little bit. This season does have the potential to fully fall into 2016 vibes when Arizona State went down to Tucson and just got obliterated on the ground.
David Howman (50:32)
that was it. I thought you were about to be like, but... No, yeah, you just invoked the single most painful experience I've ever lived through in my life, being at that game, driving down to Tucson. And you were just like, yeah, no, it could happen again. We're due for it. Thank you.
Austen Bundy (50:33)
Hahaha
Andrew Hayslett (50:34)
Perfect.
Tom Hardon (50:38)
Mic drop.
I'm not saying we're beautiful or-
Austen Bundy (50:55)
the game was the painful experience,
not going to Tucson.
David Howman (50:58)
little bit of both, you know? All of the above.
Tom Hardon (51:02)
I
think driving into Tucson was the more painful part and then the game just compounded on top of it.
David Howman (51:08)
Yeah, and you know, usually my favorite part of being in Tucson is when I'm leaving Tucson, but even then it was leaving with the pain of they didn't even attempt a pass in the fourth quarter. ⁓ Yeah, so yeah, thank you for bringing that up. I think has zero belief that this will happen. So Andrew, please, for the love of God, tell us why.
Andrew Hayslett (51:35)
Up until last week, the last time ASU lost at home was to U of A. Now that team is completely different. There's still a completely more positive vibe around the Sun Devil team today than it was, I don't know how many days ago, but somewhere around 350. Not a math major, I'm just guessing here. So what?
Journalists deal with numbers, but this is a different team ASU Has curated an environment at home that is Electric on its night when they they are playing any team close it is affected teams they Visiting teams have said this in the past on a Friday night Black Friday
I'm not believing that will happen. games where I've been in the press box for where Arizona State has played football, they're 2-0. I think they could go 3-0. I am slated to cover that game as of now.
Tom Hardon (52:49)
Better than you, better you than me.
David Howman (52:49)
So we gotta make sure that
Andrew gets to that game, gets to the press box. That is the one thing that's gonna be keeping us alive here.
Austen Bundy (53:03)
So you're telling me our entire hope is riding on Andrew being in the booth.
Tom Hardon (53:03)
It's better to you than me, Andrew.
David Howman (53:07)
Yeah, I mean it makes sense.
Tom Hardon (53:11)
I'm one-on-one, so yeah, that's all you.
David Howman (53:16)
Yeah, so Andrew, we're just gonna wrap you in bubble wrap until Black Friday and make sure nothing bad happens. ⁓ cause that really would be.
Tom Hardon (53:26)
Maybe see if Liam Neeson
is free to take them in.
David Howman (53:30)
Yeah, that would be the worst possible way to end this season. mean, you know, Kenny, Kenny leaving for another program, that's a huge blow. But I mean, you can. There's other coaches out there, Sam Levitt, you find another quarterback in the portal, you know, those are things that that naturally happens over the course of time, like there will come a day where Sam Levitt is not the quarterback, there will come a day where Kenny Dillingham is not the coach, hopefully not for a very long time, but but.
Finishing out a season where you came in with such high expectations and and you've fallen short of them, which is fine truthfully, I mean The big 12 hasn't had a repeat champion in however many years. It's been a while We're found finding out why it's a very there's a lot of parody in this conference But to then end it with losing to your rival Doing it at home where you're not supposed to lose it all That would
you know, even if Sam Levitt comes back, even if Kenny Dillingham comes back, there are gonna be like zero vibes heading into 2026, zero positive vibes, at least if that happens. So ⁓ yeah, Andrew, let's get you to that press box, please.
And since we've manifested a bunch of horrible things with football, ⁓ to pivot away from it. For those who aren't watching on YouTube, Tom is dressed for the warm weather even though he's not anywhere near warm weather. Austin and I are, we know what cold actually is. So Tom, you said that it's for the spirit of ASU hockey, so tell us about.
Andrew Hayslett (55:06)
you
David Howman (55:18)
ASU hockey where we're at, where we're headed this weekend.
Tom Hardon (55:22)
Absolutely, the Sun Devils are coming off of a bye week and it couldn't have come at a better time. Two and four on the season, book ended sweeps to start the season against Penn State and then on the road at Augustana in between there was the Icebreaker tournament win.
But this weekend the Sun Devils are heading on the road to the cooler climes of Oxford, Ohio taking on the Miami Redhawks who have been the biggest surprise in college hockey to start the season last season Miami set a program record for ⁓ for their worst Performance in the regular season with only three wins
They have doubled their win total so far this season, starting out a perfect 6-0-0. And this team, this Miami team is head, shoulders, and waist just different from what they had last year. They brought in 11 new forwards, I believe. In total, they brought in something like 17 new players, either through recruiting or through the transfer portal. And...
head coach Anthony Noreen in his second season is really showing why he has had success as a head coach. He has won Clark Cup championships at the USHL in domestic junior hockey. And now that he's able to get his guys into the program and really establish his culture, we're seeing what Miami can become and what potential they have for
For a point of reference, the last time Miami started six-nil or better was, you have to go all the way back to the 2007-2008 season. They won their first seven games of the season on the way to a 33-8-1 record and ultimately losing to eventual national champion Boston College in the Northeast Regional Final.
Arizona State did go on the road to face Miami last season, winning both games very handily by, I believe it was 7-1 and 5-1 decisions. But as I've said, this is not the same team that Arizona State went up against.
but Arizona State will be getting a boost to their roster with the return of Brazen Bozer from injury. He is a much needed force on the blue line. Coach Powers has said many times how Bozer is key to the offensive breakouts and really steps up and
facilitates the transition play through the neutral zone, sets up the forwards, and he's really the straw that serves the stick on the defensive side as far as building that offensive side of the play.
The other piece that Arizona State gets back, or gets for the first time, I should say, is Jack Beck, the younger brother of Noah Beck. After sitting out the first six games of the season due to eligibility, he is now cleared, ready to play. And Coach Powers has said that he should be sliding into the top six forwards. The forward line that I've heard thrown around, at least for the first game, Beck would be matched up with Colin Potter.
and former Miami Redhawks Johnny Waldron. We've seen many times how lines rotate throughout the season, but this will be a good baseline to see how Beck performs in his first action of the season. From what I have seen of his play in years past, he is an excellent passer. He finds the open space in the ice, and he should be able to set up Colin Potter to find the back of the net.
Potter has yet to score a goal this season. And as the first ever first run draft pick in program history, you really want to see your Hallmark guys putting up the numbers. I think that Beck will really give Potter the opportunity to open up his play and focus on that offensive opportunity.
Andrew Hayslett (59:38)
Yeah, I'm excited to see both these guys too. I'll be all you Tom covering this week. I have other commitments, but I think like you said, these are top players that you had out from the start of the year, which I expect this Arizona State team, which has looked sluggish and flat at times to not look sluggish and flat at Miami. Even though this Miami team is
⁓ very good. I still think that did like last week at Augustana, the team did not look good. They, they just looked like they were zombies out there sometimes. This, this, I think this week we won't see that period. Regardless of win, loss, tie, whatever. I think we'll see a level of play that's closer.
to the standard.
Tom Hardon (1:00:38)
You hit it perfectly and in his in his pressers over the last couple weeks, Coach Powers said that, especially on Saturday, the team really just came out flat. There was no noticeable edge to their play and Augustana took full advantage of that out muscled out played and.
and really took home that series sweep. I will say the opportunity that Arizona State can capitalize against Miami is on the power play. Miami has allowed opponents to convert on six out of the 20 power play chances given on the season. And ASU does have a potent power play. We saw this all last season converting at nearly a 30 % rate. The power play hasn't been there this season
exception of the 5-for-9 power play performance against Alaska to win the icebreaker but this is the perfect opportunity for Arizona State's power play to get right Beck will be sliding in under the top power play unit as well so that boost should really get the get the wheels going and get the get the special teams back to where where fans and team personnel know that they can be
David Howman (1:01:55)
Yeah, a much needed bounce back this week, ⁓ just like in football, because if ASU goes without a win this weekend in either sport, then we're going to be coming back on this next episode saying, hey, it's basketball season, because men's and women's basketball also comes back Monday, Tuesday. And of course, we're excited for it. We'll be covering the basketball season at Dells in detail as well. We'll talk about it.
here begrudgingly. I saw Andy like, me his head back in despair.
Andrew Hayslett (1:02:29)
Yay Bobby Hurley!
Hey, they were picked last in the Big 12 media poll, men's was... there was another team last picked in some preseason media poll that went on to win something I heard so maybe we might see the same fate but...
David Howman (1:02:49)
Yeah.
I don't know who you could be talking about, but. ⁓
Tom Hardon (1:02:53)
Do we have
our independent fact checkers who can verify this?
David Howman (1:02:56)
Nah, they're all off.
They're not working right now, but ⁓ it sounds right. It feels right. So, yeah. I mean, so Andrew, to be clear, on the last show, you said ASU football is winning the national championship, and now you're saying ASU men's basketball is winning the big 12th title. Just to make sure we're all on the same page. Austin and Tony, you heard it,
Tom Hardon (1:03:06)
I buy it.
Andrew Hayslett (1:03:18)
I did not... I... I didn't...
Austen Bundy (1:03:24)
We have the recording. Play
it back.
Andrew Hayslett (1:03:30)
Shifting into something more serious, something I have said on this show before, is JJ Van Neil, I feel, is better coach than Kenny Dillingham in terms of all ASU coaches. I've said he's the best. And once again, volleyball picking up wins. Last night, from when we were recording, volleyball beat TCU, who's, I want to say, around 15 or so in the rankings. Three sets to one, they looked...
just dominant last night and then on the day of this drops they are also going to be at Iowa State who just upset somebody I think it was Baylor but some other team so we'll see I ASU volleyball has not lost in Big 12 play this season
Tom Hardon (1:04:20)
I believe it's 12 straight wins. Is that correct?
David Howman (1:04:25)
I think that's the number. It's some streak.
Andrew Hayslett (1:04:31)
It's a lot, I'm pulling that up right now.
Austen Bundy (1:04:35)
now that Andrew said it. ⁓ Something's gotta break here, either the streak's gonna snap or Andrew's gonna be wrong.
David Howman (1:04:39)
Yeah.
Tom Hardon (1:04:41)
Allahu Akbar.
Andrew Hayslett (1:04:48)
Yeah, it...
David Howman (1:04:48)
you
Tom Hardon (1:04:48)
Well, while Andrew is looking
up the winning streak, any Sun Devil fans who are going to Ames for football and you happen to be there a day early, definitely check out our volleyball team.
Andrew Hayslett (1:04:59)
Yeah, it is 12 wins so far on this streak.
Austen Bundy (1:05:05)
Lucky 13.
David Howman (1:05:07)
Lucky 13, volleyball gets a win in Ames, football gets a win in Ames, men's basketball wins the big 12. You heard it here first, folks. Not from me, only from Andrew.
Tom Hardon (1:05:09)
on October 31st.
David Howman (1:05:23)
And but yes, we will have basketball to talk about soon. And in addition to football, in addition to hockey, in addition to volleyball, it's a great time of the year when ASU is playing in all their different sports. And we're always happy to be discussing ASU athletics here at Echo from the Buttes talking about it, ⁓ here writing about it at Devils in Detail. So for Tom, for Austin, for Andrew, David Hellman signing off for Echo from the Buttes. And as always, give them hell, Devils.