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Welcome to Untethered Consciousness, hosted by Rod Bland, where we share stories and insights to help you answer the most fundamental of questions: Who am I?
Through the conversations that we have with our guests, we aim to help you reach your own conclusions about the nature of our existence.
Vincent: So I'm looking
for something around me
because literally it's
just dark around me.
I'm sort of turning
around seeing if I
can spot something.
And of course, what I
spot in the distance is
a tiny speck of light.
The moment I look at
it, It grows larger and
I'm being drawn to it.
And it's like, I'm
running towards it at
the speed of light.
Rod: My guest today
is Vincent Olivier.
Welcome to the show, Vincent.
Vincent: Thank you very much
for having me as a guest.
It's my pleasure and
my honor to be there.
Rod: I understand that
you had an NDE or was it
several NDE's some time ago?
Would you like to give us a
little bit of background and
tell us about what happened?
Vincent: Yes, certainly.
I had a near death experience
in 2018, January 2018.
But perhaps before I explain
that near death experience,
it's worth mentioning Giving
you a bit more background
about my life because that
near death experience was
my fifth encounter with
death, and I had reached
the point At which I was
thinking that death was
actually chasing me and there
was something wrong with me
because I was surviving a re
encounter with death as well.
So perhaps I'll start and
I'll give you like a brief
summary of my childhood
and how it led to that near
death experience in 2018.
I was born in the early
80s and childhood.
Nothing particular, aside
from moving countries at a
very young age, my parents
moved from France to Africa
and the first 10 years of my
life were just marked perhaps
by two recurring dreams and
a very early encounter with
death when I was just a few
weeks old and my parents
were driving to see my
grandparents and I would I
Be meeting my grandparents
for the first time and they
had a car accident.
Uh, nothing major.
Uh, there were no
injuries and so on,
but it's just like any, you
have to think back in the
eighties car safety wasn't
as good as it is today.
And as a baby, you know,
I was in a little cradle.
There was no, not
even like, you know,
baby seat or seatbelt.
So I literally flew inside
the car and bounced inside it.
And of course my parents
were a bit worried that
something has happened to
me, but I was perfectly fine.
I guess babies were
quite malleable, you
know, at that age.
Um, so in a way I met my
grandparents at the police
station where they were just
like recording the accident.
Um, but that was my first
encounter with death.
I have no memory of it.
It did nothing
special, specific.
To me, as far as I could tell
at the time, um, the strange
thing at that age is before
we moved to Africa, as I tend
to have lots of memories of
the first few months of my
life, which is unheard of.
Every time I did research
about it, uh, scientists
are always saying, no, no,
you always have a memory
from the age of three
to four onwards.
But not really before that.
So I do have a lot of
memories that I check with
my parents when I was a kid.
So I remember that, you
know, we were living in
suburbs and it was this
big tall concrete buildings
and it was the eighties.
I remember that guy wearing
like a leather jacket and
it was pink, uh, Mohawk
and, uh, or green Mohawk.
And my mother would say, Oh
yeah, that was at the park.
We had like a few, well,
we, we labeled them punks,
but it was like more, you
know, rock and roll fashion.
It's not in a bad way.
Uh, French people say punk.
And, um, so yeah, lots
of memories like that.
And then the
memories do vanish.
Whereas I moved to Africa
and they come back around the
age of three to four indeed.
Um, and then I had
two recurring dreams
when I was a child.
My first dream was I'm
an adult and I'm being
chased by five to six guys.
Uh, literally they're
running after me.
So I'm trying to escape
and it's kind of a
big city environment.
I get to a dead end.
I just have the time to
turn around and I know that
they're about to kill me and
there's no escape for me.
And I'm thinking really hard.
I need to escape
that situation.
They pulled out guns and
they fire right away at me.
And I'm seeing myself
elevating and I'm
thinking, yeah, great.
I'm escaping them.
And then I realized that
they're still shooting
my dead body and they're
checking my dead body.
So imagine you're a child,
you're five, six years old,
and you have that dream
that constantly comes back.
It's just quite violent
in a way for at that age.
I couldn't make a
lot of sense of it.
It was really freaking me out.
And it made me more panicked
about the idea of death.
And the other dream recurring
dream I had was more around,
um, it's more an analogy, I
guess, but it was like a big
rock going down slope and
that big rock is actually
very light, not heavy at all.
As it goes down the slope, it
becomes tinier and tinier and
heavier and heavier as well.
And I think that was just
an analogy for maybe spirit
world to a more condensed
human experience, perhaps,
but again, as a child, I could
not make any sense of it.
I tried to talk to adults
about it, but they could
not figure it out for me.
So those, those were
coming back all the time.
And if you fast forward
to around the age of 10,
um, maybe I should, should
just add that by moving to
Africa, um, I guess, you
know, a bit about it in
Australia as well, but, uh,
there were a few
dangerous animals, snakes.
And of course that did not.
That did not do much
to alleviate my fear
of death because,
Some of them could be deadly.
Um, and of course, you
know, there have been
a few encounters where
I found myself face
to face with a snake.
Oops.
Um, but yeah,
fast forward to around the age
of 10, I had I had headaches
for quite a few weeks,
unexplained as well.
And I had back
to back emergency
surgeries at the time.
And no one really knew
where they came from, but
I had my appendix removed.
And a few weeks after that,
actually I was flown back
to France on emergency.
Cause I had like
a brain tumor and so I
had to undergo surgery.
Uh, that's was the
last time I saw Africa,
which I love by the way,
because the nature and
so abundant and life was
very simple over there.
Um, but yeah, I'm being
moved back to France.
I have to spend like a month
in a hospital, um, but I'm
receiving really good care
and I have no symptoms or
problems whatsoever are
recovered very quickly.
Nobody is really able to
explain what was the origin of
that, but it's being treated.
And here I am back on my
two feet and enjoying life.
And I think my family did
a really great job of never
putting too much emphasis
on what had happened.
So it happened.
We, we live in the present
and we have to look
forward to the future.
So let's just
move on with life.
So as a teenager, I was
more of a shy teenager,
I would say, but I gained
confidence through my
teenage years by practicing
a lot of sports and, around
everything was sort of like
going back to a normal life.
And around the age of
17, I'm involved again
in a car accident.
Uh, this time it was
a bit more violent.
I was a passenger and the
driver lost control of the
car and we basically skidded
to the other side of the
road, hit like a grassy
bank, the car flipped on
its roof, went the other
side of the road, and was
literally kind of flat,
flattened where I was sitting.
I have, I, my last
recollection of that
accident is as we're about
to hit the, the grass.
And I just remember
crossing my arms saying,
no, I'm thinking that's it.
I'm dead.
That's the end.
It all goes blank.
And then I wake up and
I'm faced with the sky.
And for some reason, I'm
thinking, Whoa, I'm about
to fall into the sky.
And I'm just laying down
on the side of the road.
And the reason for maybe
that thinking process was,
I could see a tire and that
was because the car was
turned upside down and I was
just laying behind the car.
So firefighters were around
and paramedics and so
on, just checking on us.
Again, I was perfectly fine.
I had a quick check in
hospital and with the people
around the car, nobody was
injured, which actually
was kind of a miracle.
I saw the pictures of the car
afterwards and where I was
sitting was completely flat.
So from the bonnet, you could
say, you could tell like there
was a continuation of the line
instead of having the, you
know, the, the windscreen and
the, and the roof, it was just
flat, completely flattened.
And I'm quite a tall guy
because I'm six foot four.
And I was thinking that's
how we escaped that.
I cannot explain.
And it was at that age
that it really hit me that
there's something where.
It's like I'm surviving.
I've got all these
episodes with death.
I'm surviving it all the time.
I'm not really sure
what it's meant to be.
And I remember one day talking
to one of my grandmothers
because I've got a really good
relationship with my family
and both sets of grandparents.
I had really profound
conversations with
both my grandmothers.
I have to thank them
for that as well.
And I said to one of my
grandmothers, How is it
that some people seem to
die for a lot less that
what I've gone through?
And of course there are
people who go through a lot
more and a lot tougher and
harder situations too, but
nonetheless, it seems that
for me, I've been facing death
four times already yet I'm
still here, you know, with all
my limbs, all my capabilities,
um, a lot of scars on my body.
Sure, but nothing major.
And the answer she gave
me stayed with me because
she replied, well, son,
you've yet to do what
you came here to do.
And I replied,
okay, so what is it?
And she said, well, it's for
you to figure out, but you
know, it could be as simple
as, you know, meeting the
law of your life, having
children, running your life.
Sometimes it's all it
does to make a difference.
But I said, yeah, but
why, why did I need to
go through all that?
This still doesn't make sense.
Even if I have a purpose in
life, you know, what's the
purpose as well of facing
death and being completely
freaked out of possibility
of dying every single day.
And she said, well,
that's going to be
part of your story.
You know, it probably will
make you more resilient
mentally tougher if in
case you have to go through
like a difficult situation.
And so maybe I was 18 between
18 and 20 years old when we
had that conversation, but
life goes on, go to uni.
Start a job, a
career and so on.
So my twenties are
absolutely fine.
I get to my early thirties
and this is when we
getting to the episode of
the near death experience
that happened in 2018.
At the time, I had nothing
to complain about my life.
I live in a nice house
in the United Kingdom.
Um, I drive a nice car.
I'm married to the
love of my life.
Life is great, except that
professionally, I am extremely
unhappy with my career.
I find I've got
too much pressure.
I don't like where I'm at.
Um, I've started to
study for a complete
different career path.
So I was essentially in
digital marketing and data
management, and I wanted to
move to being an osteopath.
And I'd already done like
some qualifications to
be a massage therapist.
And I was doing like the later
part of the studies to bring
me to the osteopath level.
So my days are pretty
busy because I'm really
busy at work, lots of
pressure, and I'm also
really busy in the evenings.
I'm studying at the weekend,
um, in the weekends.
I'm studying if I'm
sometimes I have to
go to classes as well.
So I'm constantly
studying or busy and also.
Deep down, I feel like
I should press the pause
button for some reason.
I'm doing too much.
My partner has some
concerns as well.
And it's, it's one of
those catch 22 situations.
I'm like, well, but if I
leave my job, I'm losing
the income that is providing
for my osteopath training.
But if I stop the osteopath
training, I'm also losing
that potential career change
that would potentially make
me happier in his life.
So in hindsight, rather
stupidly, I stay in
the same situation.
Um, the one evening we
were at the restaurant
with my wife and I feel
out of nowhere, sharp
sensation on my right flank.
Um, like a stabbing
sensation is the best
way to describe it.
I've never been
stabbed, but that's the
way we described it.
And we, I think like maybe
it's the food or there's
something, or it's this.
My stress levels are too high.
So we get back home.
I barely sleep all night.
I'm in absolute pain.
It's like cycles
of increasing pain.
So we do call the emergency
services early in the morning
and they advise that I go
to the nearest hospital to
be checked, which we do.
And over there, the
doctor looks at me, does
a quick checkup and says,
probably indigestion.
You were at the restaurant
yesterday, um, you
had Thai food, nothing
wrong with Thai food.
I love Thai food.
It's just unfortunate.
It happened to be Thai food.
So she ruled it as a
poisoning, if you like.
I go back home.
I cannot go to the office.
I'm just like, really still
in agony, thinking I will
get slightly better because
I do receive some medication.
Um, but they don't do much.
Friday goes past.
It was a Thursday
evening, I should say.
So Friday goes
past, still pain.
Saturday, still very painful.
And this is where I'm
really starting to see no
improvement to my situation.
And I remember saying multiple
times to my wife, I'm done.
I'm dying, darling.
I feel like I'm dying.
Like my body is literally
shutting down Um, You fast
forward to the Sunday morning,
in the early hours of the
morning, and we have to call
the emergency services again.
This time, they decide
to send an ambulance, so
half an hour later, maybe,
I do have a paramedic in
my house, and I'm laying
on my sofa in the living
room, whilst the paramedic
is doing some checks.
Um, He does give me
painkillers, which he
does inject through IV.
And he also gives me like
a mask and instructs me to
take a few deep breaths.
And apparently these are
medical gases of some sort.
And so I start inhaling,
um, the, the, the gases
and I do feel a really
relieving sensation.
And I also feel like,
you know, the fluids
of the painkillers
trickling down in my blood
veins and in the body.
It's kind of this warm
and pleasant sensation.
But for the first time
in more than three
days, I'm able to relax.
And the next moment I find
myself in a black void.
There's around me.
I don't even have a memory
of what my last vision was.
I'm just there floating
in a dark void.
I'm not thinking
anything at that moment.
If anything, I'm more
relaxed and even relieved.
Um, after a short while, I.
Thinking, what
am I doing there?
So I'm looking for
something around me
because really literally
it's just dark around me.
So I'm sort of turning
around seeing if I
can spot something.
And of course, what I
spot in the distance is
a tiny speck of light.
The moment I look at
it, It grows larger and
I'm being drawn to it.
And it's like, I'm
running towards it at
the speed of light.
And as I approach that sphere
of light, that's becoming
larger and larger, I see, or I
distinguish four beings within
that light, and I can only
see the shadows, so the light
is so bright that I see dark
silhouettes within the light.
And I'm the same time,
what something really
strange occurs to me,
which is I do recognize
those people instantly.
And I know I have not
seen them in a very
long while and I'm so
happy to see them again.
I cannot remember
their face to this day.
I just knew that I knew
them from somewhere,
but that somewhere was
definitely not this life
I'm living as Vincent.
And at the same time, this
thought of my wife occurs
to me and I'm thinking back
as my life and I'm realizing
that, hang on a second, it's
lovely to see you, but if
I'm seeing you, it means that
I'm in the process of dying.
And that's not what I want.
I'm way too young for that.
At the time I
was 33 years old.
Um, I still have
a lot to live.
I still want to
achieve a lot more.
So no, I don't want.
I literally don't want to die.
And I remember the words I
said, it was a mix of French
and English at the time.
It just, what came to me
and it really came from
the heart and excuse the
language, but I just replied,
no fucking way, pa maintenant.
And pa maintenant literally
translate to not now.
Um, and, uh, so yeah, no
fucking way, pa maintenant.
And it seems like the beings
within the light were not
offended in the slightest.
And the next instant, the
light just zooms out from
me and I feel like I wake
up in my physical body.
I'm back in the living
room in the house I was
living at at the time.
My wife is touching
my shoulder, um, very
gently pressing on it.
And I look at her, she looks
really panicked on her face.
And I'm totally confused
about what has just happened.
And she asked
me, are you okay?
I look at her and
say, yeah, I'm okay.
But the first reflex I have
is, hang on a second, what?
What has just happened?
It's so weird.
So I tried, I grabbed
the mask again because it
had fallen on the floor
and I inhaled a
couple more times.
I'm trying, you know,
almost in a scientific
manner to replicate
what has just happened.
Nothing happens.
I don't go back to the
dark void or anything.
And then the pain comes
back because literally for
a short moment, I was pain
free and the pain in my
body comes back and it's
so strong at that moment.
So hard that I
regret my decision.
Thinking, actually I was much
better when I was on the other
side because I was pain-free.
Um, it was very soothing.
It was very kush, kushy, I
would say, you know, very,
very light, very comfortable
not being in a physical,
in that physical body.
And so, yeah, I try
to, to replicate.
Nothing happens.
And the paramedic at
that moment, I did
not notice that I.
What had happened because
he was, uh, turning
his back to me, taking
notes on his notepad.
But basically, he comes back
to me and says, Hey, we need
to rush you to a hospital.
It's really bad.
So I'm being rushed
to a hospital.
And this is something that
then happens is I forget
about the NDE and what
has happened, which I've
listened to countless people
recounting their NDEs.
I've yet to find
someone who said, I've
forgotten about my NDE.
I think I had to focus so much
on what was happening next
that I just pushed it aside.
So being rushed to hospital,
they do a few tests, and very
quickly doctors come to me
and say, well, um, you know,
when you had your appendix
removed back in the days,
I say, yeah, 24 years ago.
Yeah.
Um, do you remember if he
was like an emergency case,
or if he was taken in time?
Um, I said, I just
can't remember.
Um, you know, I
was a child, so.
Basically I went
with the flow.
My parents would know, but
right now is perhaps not the
best time to give them a call.
And, uh, so he said,
well, listen, it probably
was dealt with too late.
And I think you have some
complications due to that.
So you might have to
undergo surgery, but let
me tell you, it's, uh,
quite a complicated one.
But we'll see what we can do.
So I said, can
we avoid surgery?
So, well, we can try, um,
procedures to minimize surgery
and let's give that a go.
You're in good health.
You're in good shape.
So we can give that a go.
Anyway, I'm being moved to
a hospital room and later
that day, um, a surgeon
comes in and he says right
away, Oh, I can take you to
theater right now if you want.
And we, you know,
I can operate you.
And I remember I had a
sensation, like a voice in
my head saying, say, no, say,
no, you can't accept that.
So I'm pushing back.
So I don't want to
have surgery, sir.
You know, it's, I want
to try other non invasive
methods if possible.
And he's really insistent
and pushy, but, you know,
well, I have time now.
I have space now.
So, you know, for me, I
just, it's a couple of
hours, maybe, and we're done.
I said, no, no.
I literally have had a couple
of surgeries in my life.
I know what it's like.
I don't want to
replicate that.
As he left the room, I look
at my wife and I said, I
didn't like the look in
the eyes of that person.
There was an energy or
something I didn't like.
And she said, same, I
just didn't like the vibe.
So I spent the night
in the hospital.
The day after that surgeon
comes back again and still
offers me to go for surgery.
And I still push back and
we try non invasive method.
Nothing changes.
And a couple of days later,
another surgeon comes in.
This time, we really gel.
We've got the same, you
know, view on how we should
conduct things and so on.
So I'm being, I undergo
surgery over there and it's
a It's quite a heavy surgery
because to give you a quick
medical explanation, my,
when my appendix had been
removed, the scar tissue had
not healed properly, perhaps
due to the brain tumor.
Maybe the body was busy
with a lot of different
healing, um, and it created
what we call adhesion
inside the abdominal wall.
And basically what it had
done is it had like over time
stuck my intestine on
my abdomen wall and
because my intestines
could not move freely,
they basically created
a knot on themselves.
And it's one of the
worst situations.
So it's not nice what I'm
about to say, but basically
the surgeon opens you.
Opens your tummy, takes
it out, uh, and ties
it and puts it back in.
Um, and funnily enough, for
a few weeks after surgery,
I could really tell that the
intestines were not in the
positions they were before.
It's a strange feeling.
I don't know how to
explain it any better,
but that's how it was.
Anyway, I leave the hospital,
and I've got this long
road to rehab in front of
me because literally any
abdominal surgery, that's
quite, um, Intensive.
I could, I couldn't lift
like a kettle or a cup
without feeling the pain.
I couldn't close the curtains.
I mean, there were many
things I couldn't do in the
first few days after surgery.
So I was sleeping a lot and
healing also emotionally
and psychologically from
what has just happened.
And it took me a few
months to understand.
I was going on the whole
this, all this time.
Sorry.
I was always thinking, well,
there's, I just knew that
nothing could happen to
me when I was in hospital
as if because I had said
no to dying, although I
did not remember it fully.
I knew that I would sail
through the operation
and the surgery and the
rehab, um, the, the rehab
went absolutely fine.
I recovered a bit faster
than what is normal.
But what I learned a few
months after surgery, when
I met with my surgeon again,
was the morbidity rate for
that type of surgery is 40%.
So it's two in five people
don't make it through.
And he explained to me
at the time that because
I was young and fit, he
wanted He wanted to do
more, uh, but he did not.
He said I just literally
did the bare minimum
to get you back on your
feet, on the basis that
I could tell you were in
very good physical shape.
So I knew you would
recover quite quickly.
So the road to recovery
is about 18 months.
Uh, the first six months you
recover about 80 percent and
then it's like 10 percent the
next six months and 10 percent
the following six again.
So what really changed
after the surgery, once
I got a bit more fit.
Better physical health and
energy was, for some reason, I
really started to push myself
to doing more, within, you
know, my physical capabilities
at the time, of course, but
I was like, Oh, I need, I
need to enjoy life more.
So I need to change
job because I'm not
happy in my job.
And would you have it?
A job opportunity just came,
which was absolutely perfect
for me, required a bit more
training, but I did that
and I finished my classes on
osteopathy, remotely most
of the time and I passed it.
And so I was just
like, wow, options are
opening again for me.
2018, I would always tell to
people, for me, was actually a
great year, because aside from
January, February, which were,
you know, not really good
month, the rest of the year,
it seemed like all the doors
were opening again, as if I
was back into a state of flow.
However, my fear of
death was still present.
Deep down, I was fearing
that the episode I just
had could happen again,
or something similar.
So for a few months,
I was a bit wary.
Every time I was leaving
the house, I was like, wow,
what if I'm going too far?
Even though I was pushing
myself, I was like, you
know, I'm, I'm on that
train, I'm four hours away
from my house, from my home.
What if I've got like a
health incident right now
in the middle of the train,
you know, um, those thoughts
would be there constantly.
And it did really change.
When a few months after the
surgery, out of the blue,
my mother sent me an article
about a surgeon who was
fascinated by near death
experiences and who had
partnered with a
hypnotherapist to try to
understand what was happening
and he had developed a
protocol to put people in a
specific state of hypnosis
that would or could, according
to him, be quite close to
experiencing an NDE with
none of the physical ailment
or the dangerous situation
that goes with the NDE.
Because very often I don't
recommend anyone to have
a near death experience.
It means that you're about to
die and there could be dire
consequences as well on you
physically or emotionally.
Um, so as I read that article,
the memory of the NDE I
experienced in January 2018
floods back to my memory.
And at first I'm thinking,
I just had hallucinated
all this because of the
medical gases I was inhaling.
I was tired.
I was under a lot of
physical pain at the time.
So it was just a
hallucination, but reading
what the writer of the
article went through,
seeing the a white light,
meeting with beings on
the other side and so on.
I was just reminded of
what had happened to me.
Still having a bit of a
scientific mind I was like,
maybe it's just hallucination.
So that evening I go to my, to
my wife and I said to her, you
know, on the Sunday morning
when we had a paramedic in
the house before I was rushed
to hospital, do you remember
anything strange happening?
And her face
literally goes white.
She says to me, um, I've
never mentioned it to
you, but on that day I
thought you were dead.
So I reply, how so?
And she proceeds to tell
me that as I was laying on
the sofa and the paramedic
was turning his back to me,
taking notes, I was using
the mask and all of a sudden
she saw my hand drop and my
body completely collapsed.
And she said, your, your eyes
were completely lifeless.
That's why I kneeled down
and I touched your shoulder
and you were not reacting.
And it took you a couple of
seconds to just like, sort
of like have kind of almost
like a body shake and come
back and you're almost jolted.
And you looked at me very
confused and I thought
like, well, you are just
temporarily passed out, but
I had no idea that you had
this whole experience on the
other side because you never
mentioned it, um, before.
So the two stories
corroborated and so
essentially we could say,
well, you're like my witness
for what I've just lived.
And from there on started
a very long journey of a,
being a lot more comfortable
with death because that
was alleviating the fear
of death almost instantly.
Hey Life continues after
death or our consciousness
continues after death.
That is brilliant.
That's such a
relief, actually.
Now I'm free to live my
life the way I want to.
And then I started yet to do
a lot of research, um, onto
indeed near death experiences.
learning that it happens
to roughly 2 percent of
the world population.
Um, and I even did a bit of
research yesterday about it,
and now it seems like it's 5%.
So that number seems
to be going higher.
So perhaps a lot more
people are willing to share
their experience as well.
And then we
reconnecting with, well,
the nature of reality as we
live it and the possibility
that, you know, we have
free will, we are spirits
that do come here for an
experience in human form.
Um we also have the
possibility to life the
way we really desire to.
And from there on, it seems
to, for me, um, life has
been better and better
and better through that
understanding that actually
there's nothing to fear.
Death is just a, a continuity
or a passage to all true
nature and potentially the
nature we You know, we were
in before being humans.
And for a short while, I
would also say that, yeah,
I would argue that you might
still go through a disease,
an illness, an accident.
So death could still be
a painful process in some
instances, but deep down,
with knowing that on the
other side, what awaits
is your true nature.
So whilst we're
there as humans.
I might as well make out the
most of the experience for
myself and for everybody else.
So I reconnected with a
lot of principles and I'm
not going to start opening
about them because we could
talk at length about all
those different principles.
But one thing I would add
though, Is a lot of people
on interviews, um, I've heard
a lot of people who have
NDEs come back with a sort
of a gift or something that
they did not have before
or a change in the life.
For me, I didn't think I
come with back with much
of a gift, but certainly
a deeper understanding and
the willingness to share
that story because when I
was younger, there were a
few things that I knew would
happen in my life, and one
of them being, this would
happen around my teenage
years, one of them being
you need to go live in an
English speaking country.
I didn't know why, but
there was this strong
desire to go live in an
English speaking country.
I happened to have a
professional opportunity
to move to the UK when I
was young, which I did,
um, and I reconnected to
more stories like that.
And one of the ways I
reconnected to one of these
childhood memories, desires,
and knowingness was through
doing hypnosis sessions.
And during one of those,
one of these hypnosis
sessions, I met, um, sort
of a spirit guide, if you
like, and that spirit guide
said, well, remember when
you were a teenager, you had
that knowingness that one
day you would be writing a
book and you always thought
that this book would be
inspired by experiences
from your own life.
And I remember saying yes.
But I thought that this
would happen when I'm much
older, like in my sixties,
because I've lived a lot.
And this is when I
can tell about life.
That being said,
don't wait for it.
Write it now.
And it was like, okay,
but where do I find the
time having a full time
day job to write a book?
And also I need, you know,
not to do too much, not
to burn myself out again.
And the being said, don't
worry, you know, just
do what you have to do.
And just like that, to
tell you that quick story.
Um, a few months later,
I, through my new job,
which was now more
oriented towards, legal
advice, advice, and so on.
I did some qualifications
and I went to my
employer at the time.
And I said, um, now that I
have these new qualifications,
I should be paid more.
And literally there's
quite a big salary gap.
But I'm proposing
you one way to do it.
So would you mind keeping
me on the same salary, but
I'm working one less day a
week, and I will use that
one day to write that book.
And it was a bit of a bold
statement to make because it
could go one way or another.
Worst case scenario, it
was no, and that's fine.
Uh, but it was,
yes, absolutely.
Well, a bit of negotiation
on the salary side, of
course, but essentially I
got one day free a week.
So, and I started to write
This very novel that, um,
go here, which I've titled
The Man Who Kept Dying.
Vincent Olivier is a pen name.
Vincent is my real first name.
Olivier is just a name
of my great grandfather.
And this novel was just
my way of putting into
a story everything that
I'd reconnected to.
In terms of my understanding
of the spiritual world, the
spiritual concepts that we
can apply here as humans,
as well as integrating as
part of the stories, some
of the events that have
taken place in my life.
So the car accident I've
mentioned to you when
I was 17, it's a whole
chapter in the book.
I've got chapters about
lucid dreams, which have
happened to me a lot.
Chapters with encounters
with snakes and so on.
So it's a mix of story, but
it, it is really inspired from
my life at the end of the day.
And so I published
it earlier this year.
And so maybe I managed
to bring that idea that I
would publish a book when
I would be in my sixties,
but like two decades earlier.
So this is it.
Rod: Okay, thanks for
sharing that story, Vincent.
So I've got a couple of
questions for you, um, just
while you're in the void,
so this is a very common theme
that I hear in NDEs, the void
and the pinprick of light.
That you, that you go towards.
So before you saw that light,
was there any, did you have
any other sort of sense
like, could you see anything?
Was there any, could
you hear anything?
Could you feel anything?
Was there a temperature?
Was there any, any sort
of sensory input at all?
Vincent: So it feels
like there was no sensory
input or nothing at all.
As I said, I had no
thinking process at the
time for a short while.
There was just me and my
presence, if you like, and
the, I was thinking nothing,
I was feeling nothing.
However, I could say there
was just one sensation and
it's a sensation of warmth,
literally, like being really
cuddled by a very warm
energy and nothing else that,
than that, at least for me.
And.
Yeah, that didn't
last very long for me.
I know that there are people,
there are people who have
like grand NDE's, mine
was very short in a way.
I guess it could
have been a lot more.
That's what I'm trying
to explore in the novel.
What if I had gone
and met with a being?
What would they have
taught me or told me?
But no, to answer your
question, just that
warm sensation of being
enveloped in that.
A lot of people mentioned
like, you know, a
strong sense of love.
I didn't feel it particularly.
Imagine the vibration
of her being very jerky.
It was just like flat,
calm, absolute calmness.
Yeah, very zen.
Rod: And the four beings,
I think you mentioned
they were faceless, so
you didn't have any faces.
Were they short, tall?
Anything more
Vincent: Different sizes,
different sizes and shapes.
I could say I had
the sensation that
one of them was...
Someone deceased in my
family, uh, although I said,
you know, that I felt they
were not from this lifetime,
but I had a sensation that
there was one that definitely
we had a family bond.
So perhaps from another
lifetime, I'm not sure.
A feminine presence for sure.
Uh, one was shorter,
more feminine presence.
The other three
were quite tall.
And I could not really
tell if they were more
masculine or feminine.
Um, yeah.
I don't think all of them felt
human in their appearance.
again, the memory is
quite fuzzy, but I could
remember on the right side
was, yeah, someone was
smaller, feminine energy.
The other three were more,
perhaps maybe a bit more
masculine, but taller,
more elongated limbs.
But the one on the
far left to my vision.
I just cannot remember
exactly this one.
I didn't feel as much,
but perhaps that presence
was standing a bit
more in the background.
I'm not certain, but
yeah, that it's a really
strange sensation.
I would liken it to, if
someone were to knock on your
door and you open the door
and you physically, you never
seen the person, but you know,
you've seen them before and
you've known them from before.
And you're like, Oh, we
have that connection.
Don't we?
Oh, yes, we do.
Um, it's, it's strange thing.
Absolutely.
Rod: Tell us about your
lucid dreams, because I've
had a few of those, and
how do you, is it something
that you deliberately
tried to have occur, or
did it occur naturally?
What happened there?
Vincent: Um, I don't know of.
You got into lucid dreams.
Did you try a method or
something when you were
younger or was it just
because for me, I had to
try a method in my teenage
years and then they keep
happening spontaneously.
And I'm not really
controlling when they happen.
Rod: Yeah, it's kind of
a bit of both, so I...
Was reading somewhere
that, um, to, to get,
to getting focus.
The first step is
realizing that you're
in a dream, which hadn't
happened for a long time.
And then I had a few times
where I was like, Oh,
I'm actually dreaming.
And then at that point, then
focusing on either my hands
or the ground, bringing
something into focus.
And then that sort of
then caused my, you know,
consciousness to come
fully, fully conscious
during the dream.
So the lucid dream
then started.
Vincent: I followed a
similar method because I
was, yeah, I don't know.
I was 13, 14 years old.
And with some of my
friends, we had that
conversation, the discussions
about lucid dreams.
And one of my friends said,
Oh, I'd love to do that.
Apparently you have
to really think.
In the evening before you
go to bed, um, I want to
have a lucid dream just
before you fall asleep.
I want to have a lucid dream.
I'm going to take
control of the dream.
And for me, it
happened quite quickly.
Literally, I did that
for three nights.
And on the third
night, I managed to
get into a lucid dream.
And I remember Um, the
settings were, oh, the
background was a bit
ludicrous because it was on
a military ship and I was
like, almost like a secret
agent trying to navigate my
way through the stairs without
being, uh, seen or noticed.
And, at one moment I realized
that I'm in that dream and
I'm dreaming just exactly
as you've just highlighted.
That's the moment where I
say actually I don't like
being on that ship and
first thing I would like to
remove all the people on the
ship because I want to make
sure you know I'm not being
chased by anyone and all of
a sudden it feels very quiet
as if there's no one around.
So I'm walking around and
then I said I want to change
the environment I want to
be on a nice sunny beach
and boom I find myself on
a nice sunny beach and And
then I realized that, wow,
that's really nice to be able
to change the environment.
And I think I got a bit too
excited during the dream
about the potentials that
I could do that I woke up.
And then I tried again
every evening for two weeks
and nothing would happen
until it happened again.
And then I've stopped doing
it, but they could happen.
Sometimes I realized that
I'm dreaming and I realized
that I am in a dream.
Um, and yeah, in a, in the
novel, there's one entire
chapter, which is called a
lucid dream, because it's
a dream where for the first
time in one of my dreams, I
saw myself as not Vincent and
my physical self there, there
was a mirror in an elevator
and I saw myself as an alien.
And I looked nothing
like I look right now.
So basically I was Very bulky,
I have completely different
clothes and I was that
green alien with very
square face, um, tiny ears,
tiny nostrils, very large.
Uh, white eyes.
And I remember like completely
shaking and thinking, almost
panicking at the vision
thinking that's not me.
That's not me.
How could, how can I
see myself like that?
And of course the mirror was
reflecting, um, or mirroring
every one of my movements.
So it'd be like moving my
hands and seeing the exact
same thing in a mirror,
except he was not me.
I remember at that moment,
my breathing becoming a
bit more, accelerated.
And thinking, I'm going to
wake up and focusing back
on the dream and saying,
don't wake up, don't
wake up, don't wake up.
Calm down.
And then I calmed
down and I get closer.
I step closer to the mirror.
And then I really
check myself like, oh,
wow, that's fantastic.
Uh, and so.
I've had plenty of lucid
dreams ever since, um, that,
that those teenage years.
It's quite fascinating
when you get to do this.
And also I personally
receive a lot of information
through my dreams.
So sometimes I'm
sitting in a room.
With other beings, I
can never remember their
face, but they, it's like
there's a drawing board.
And very often they're showing
me a lot of different things.
And I remember at one
point early in my spiritual
rediscovery or journey of
rediscovery, um, there were
all these mentions of the
new earth, if you know,
we're shifting dimension,
we're getting to higher
frequency, this and that.
And I remember asking.
Before going to sleep,
you know, what's all
about the new earth.
And then I'm sitting at
that table with presence
or that spirit next to me.
And he or she explained to
me what it was all about and
started to show me drawings
on the table and the drawings
are sort of illuminated.
So they are live.
It's not like a simple
sheet of paper where you
see drawings just like
everything's alive and
animated and explaining
to me that essentially,
yeah, there will be a
shift of consciousness.
The plan is that, you know,
some people will not want
to go through that shift.
So we remain in, you
know, their frequency.
Uh, other people will move
to a higher frequency, but
it will be very seamless.
People won't really notice
in which frequency they are.
You just notice that
things around you do change
faster and for the better.
I was like, wow, that's cool.
So I did the drawing when
I woke up of what has,
what had been shown to me.
It's one video on my
YouTube channel about that.
Dreams are very interesting.
I can receive a lot of
information through dreams
and meditation as well.
But if I don't have
the time to meditate.
Essentially, I think I
revert back to dreams.
Rod: So you've, you've
mentioned your book and,
um, you also mentioned
YouTube channel.
Is there any other way
that people can get in
touch with you if they
want to ask you questions,
if you're open to that?
Vincent: Yeah,
absolutely fine.
So if you go on a YouTube
channel, there is an email
address, which you can
reach me at, uh, otherwise
just leave a comment.
I've got an Instagram
account as well.
They both name, uh, the, the
man who kept dying, but you
can type Vincent Ollivier,
the man who kept dying
on YouTube or Instagram,
and you should find me.
So please message me
through, um, those channels.
And that's perfectly fine.
If anyone has any
question, I will answer.
Always happy to share my
story and, uh, and yeah, I
think it's, uh, an important
journey of reconnecting
with our spiritual nature
that we're all going
through at this time.
And it's nice to see more
and more people sharing
those experiences and also.
I think the capabilities,
you know, technological
capabilities to share these
experiences so easily.
I'm sitting in France
right now, you're
sitting in Australia.
We have this conversation.
I think it's fantastic,
the times we're living in.
Rod: It's almost surreal
sometimes, isn't it?
It's easy to forget
what's actually going on.
Uh, and do you have any
final message that you'd
like to leave people
with before we wrap up
our conversation today?
Vincent: There could
be a lot of messages,
but perhaps I'll try to
summarize it very quickly.
So the, the first one, I
would say something that
was taught to me by, one of
the senior directors at the
first company I worked at.
And I asked him for a bit
of advice in life, whether
professional or personal.
And he said to me, well,
it's something I received
from another mentor, but
I'm going to say to you.
It's not about what
you do in life.
It's about how you do it.
And I would change it
slightly from more of a
spiritual perspective.
And I would say, it's not
about what you do in life.
It's about who you are when
you do it, because everything,
as I've understood, come
from a state of being.
So the more you are in
you close to your true
nature, the more you will
see things aligned to that
true nature of yourself.
And as I've seen, Following
my NDE, it seems like I'm
reconnecting more and more
to purposes in life that
I was meant to experience.
And I believe that the
NDE was really a wake up
call as I was not going
in the right direction.
The second thing is, and
it took me a long while to
understand that concept, but
we are all coming from the
same point of consciousness.
So essentially you
could label it as God.
Source.
central point of
consciousness, anything.
We all are God, so to speak.
So we all have the same
power and capabilities.
We just playing the game
and the experience of, um,
forgetting that we are that.
And as a result, that made
me realize that everybody
else and everything around
me is just a part of me.
And I'm just a part
of them, so to speak.
So everything is
interconnected.
And with that, I try to, or
it certainly has helped me to
have a lot more compassion for
everything that's happening to
people around me in the world
and so on whilst at the same
time, being able to maintain
that capability that to.
See clearly that I've got
my own perspective on things
and because I have my own
perspective, I don't need
to impose it to anyone.
I can just share it.
If people are willing to
listen to it, that's fine.
If they don't,
that's fine as well.
I think it's quite important
for me to mention that because
I think in life, there's
always a lot of sometimes
of friction or battle.
I'm thinking that way.
Therefore, you should
think the same way too.
And I'm like, not necessarily,
you know, some people are
free to have their own
perspective as long as
they don't try to impose it
forcefully on somebody else.
But at the end of the day,
we all part of the same
consciousness and we all
are the same consciousness.
So as much as I can, I
try to treat people as if
I was speaking to myself
or dealing with myself to
have a lot more compassion.
Rod: Vincent, thank you
for that message and
thank you for being a
guest on my show today.
Vincent: Thank you for
inviting me once again.
I appreciate it.
And, um, it was a really
enjoyable experience as well.