Everyday Saints: A Catholic Podcast

In this episode of Everyday Saints, a Catholic podcast telling real saint stories in plain, everyday language, we tell the true story behind the man you already think you know: St. Nicholas of Myra. Before he was Santa Claus, he was an orphan who gave away a fortune in secret, dropping gold through windows in the dead of night so three sisters wouldn't be sold into slavery. Before that generosity ever made it into a Christmas poem, Nicholas spent years imprisoned and tortured for his faith during the Roman persecution under Diocletian — and years after that, according to church tradition, he crossed the floor at the Council of Nicaea and struck the heretic Arius across the face for denying that Jesus Christ is truly God. Two acts from the same man: one done in total secrecy, one done in total fury, both from the same conviction. St. Nicholas is the patron saint of children, sailors, and pawnbrokers, and his real story has almost nothing to do with a sleigh. 

What is Everyday Saints: A Catholic Podcast?

The Catholic Church has recognized over ten thousand saints. Most people couldn't name five. Everyday Saints tells the real stories — not the stained-glass versions. Every week, host John O'Connor sits down with the life of one saint, told in plain language for regular people with real jobs, real doubts, and real lives. No theology degree required. Just honest stories about flawed, complicated humans who somehow became extraordinary. Whether you're a lifelong Catholic, a curious skeptic, or somewhere in between — pull up a chair. These stories are worth knowing.

He crossed the room in front of the emperor
and every bishop, and he punched another man

in the face. No, not a metaphor, not raised
voices in some theology debate, an open-handed

shot to the face in front of everybody at the
biggest church meeting in Christian history,

thrown by a guy who spent the last 1700 years
shrinking down until kids think he's a cartoon

in a red suit. You think you know this man,
you do not. Before any of that, before the

council, before the miracles, before he turned
into the most impersonated saint on the planet,

he was just an orphan sitting on more money
than he knew what to do with, standing outside

some poor guy's house in the middle of the night
trying to figure out how to give it all away

without getting caught.

Hi, my name is John O'Connor and this is Everyday
Saints, episode 13. 13 weeks, 13 saints.

And if you've been here since week one, thank
you for sticking around. If you're new here,

welcome to the porch. Do stick around and if
this hits you, subscribe so you don't miss

next week. A new saint every Thursday. For my
regulars, you will notice I'm changing things

up a little this episode. The meat and potatoes
are still there, don't worry, but just served

up a little differently. Let me know what you
think. Today's guy, you already have an opinion

about. This is Saint Nicholas of Myra. The actual
man buried somewhere underneath the beard,

the belly laugh, and the eight reindeer plus
Rudolph. Nobody wrote, and then the bishop

clocked a heretic into a Christmas song. But
stick with me, because that's very much in

here. My wife Sarah wasn't raised Catholic,
and when I told her I was doing an episode

on the real Saint Nicholas, She said, wait,
are you about to tell me Santa Claus punched

somebody? Yeah, basically I am. So if you walked
in expecting a cute Christmas story or one

you're ready to roll your eyes at, stay with
me. The parts of this that sound the most made

up are actually pretty well documented. The
part that feels the most believable, jolly

guy, bag of toys, workshop full of elves, that's
stuff we made up 200 years ago. we're going

to sort out which is which. Nicholas was born
around 270 AD in a town called Patera in what's

now southern Turkey. His parents had money and
they were Christian, but he did lose both of

them young, probably due to some regional sickness.
So while he was still a young man and not yet

married, he was old enough to inherit everything,
but not old enough to to really know what to

do with it. I mean, most guys who come into
that type of money that fast go out and buy

a boat or a hot rod or whatever the top of the
line horse was back then. Nicholas did not

buy a boat or a horse. There was a man in town,
used to have money and then lost it all, with

three daughters and nothing to give them for
a dowry. Sounds like a small problem from where

we're sitting. A daughter with no dowry had
exactly one grim way left to take care of herself.

So this father was out of options and out of
hope. Nicholas heard about it. And instead

of showing up at the guy's door in broad daylight
so everybody could see him being generous,

he waited until the dark, grabbed a bag of gold,
and depending on which version you hear, either

threw it through an open window or dropped it
down the chimney. where it landed in a stocking

somebody had hung out to dry by the fire. Which,
if you think about it, means the entire concept

of stockings hung by the chimney with care started
because a guy needed somewhere to stash some

cash without ringing the doorbell. He did it
again for daughter number two, did it again

for daughter number three. This third time,
the dad's been staying up waiting to catch

whoever's been doing this, catches him red-handed.
and Nicholas begs him, please don't tell anyone.

He didn't want the credit. He wanted to do this
generous act, but he wanted his name nowhere

near it. And I have to admit, that's the part
that gets me. We live in a world where everybody

wants to be seen doing the right thing. This
guy took a real risk specifically to make sure

nobody saw him. That's it. That's the whole
seed of Christmas morning. Three bags of gold

in the dark, so three girls wouldn't end up
with nowhere to turn if you catch my drift.

Somewhere between the fourth century turkey
and the mall parking lot, we kept the gifts

and completely lost the guy. Historically, this
one holds up pretty well. It's one of the earliest

stories anyone tells about him, written down
not long after he died. Not a court transcript,

but about as good as ancient saint stories get.
Nicholas became Bishop of Myra eventually,

a port town near Patera. And in the early fourth
century, that job came with a real chance of

getting you killed. Emperor Diocletian ran the
worst empire-wide crackdown on Christians in

Roman history. Soldiers were going town to town
arresting bishops by name. Because if you

cut the head off of a local church, aka the
church leaders, then the rest falls apart faster.

Nicholas was exactly who they were looking for.
The old accounts say he got arrested, chained

up, and held for years in conditions built to
break a person. Cold, stolen floor, barely

any food, not trying to kill you fast, trying
to slowly convince you that whatever you believe

isn't worth what it's costing you. Tradition
says he carried the marks of it on his body

the rest of his life. Picture that. A guy blessing
babies and settling arguments between merchants

with scars on his wrists from the chains he
wore rather than say, hey, Jesus wasn't the

Lord. And unlike some of what's coming, this
part is about as solid as history gets. The

Diocletian persecution is extremely well-documented.
Nicholas getting swept up and it shows up early

and often. If you don't buy the reindeer stories,
that's fine, but Don't let that double bleed

backward onto the guy who did actual years in
an actual Roman cell for this. Then, in 313

AD, everything flipped. Constantine legalized
Christianity and whoever was still alive walked

free. Nicholas walked out a bishop who had been
tortured and never backed down. That's the

guy who, 12 years later, walks into the most
important meeting the early church ever had.

It is 325 AD. Constantine calls bishops in from
everywhere to a city called Nicaea to settle

something tearing the church apart. A priest
named Arius is teaching that Jesus wasn't fully

and internally God. That, and I quote, there
was a time when he was not. Jesus in his version

is the greatest thing God ever made. Just made
though, not equal to the father. Sounds like

a fine distinction from way over here, the kind
of thing only theology nerds argue about, right?

But in 325 AD, it was not that. If Arius is
right, the guy who died on the cross wasn't

actually God doing the dying. He was some incredibly
important created being doing it on God's behalf.

Now, that's not a footnote. Whole cities had
already rioted over this. Dock workers and

bakers arguing the nature of Christ in the street
with the heat people bring to politics now.

Imagine you're a group chat on your phone,
but it's the fourth century and the topic is

whether Jesus is God. Nicholas is in the room
and according to church tradition, he's sitting

there listening to Arius lay out all of this
in front of the entire council and something

in him just snaps. He gets up, walks across
the floor, and hits Arius across the face.

All right, I gotta be straight with you on this
one. The punch isn't in the earliest write-ups

of Nicaea. It shows up centuries later in Byzantine
tradition. Now, that doesn't automatically

make it fake. Plenty of true stuff gets written
down late just because nobody thought to record

it at the time. But there is a difference, a
real difference between This definitely happened

and the church has told this story forever
because it believes it's true. This one's the

second kind. I'm keeping it in anyway because
even a story that isn't rock solid history

tells you something real. What the earliest
Christians thought defending the faith was

supposed to look like. So the punch landed or
it didn't. Truth be told, hitting a guy in

an imperial council was a serious offense. Most
versions say cost Nicholas his position and

nearly his freedom on the spot. Stripped, thrown
into a cell that same day, only reinstated

after a vision convinced everyone what drove
him wasn't a temper problem. It was love for

the truth. Same guy who snuck through the dark
so three sisters would never know who saved

them, gentle and secret, furious and public
over something non-negotiable. Not two different

guys. One guy who could love a struggling person
quietly and love the truth loudly enough to

risk everything in front of the most powerful
man alive. That's the thing I keep landing

on with Nicholas. Most of us are only good at
one of those. Rest of his life, he was the

Bishop of Myra and pretty much every story that
survives him is a rescue story. Three men in

Myra once were falsely accused. Already sentenced
already kneeling with the executioner's sword

in the air and tradition says Nicholas shows
up at a dead sprint grabs the blade out of

the Executioner's hand before it comes down
and gets in the governor's face until the guy

admits he took a bribe Three men who had made
peace with dying in the next five seconds get

to walk home instead It's not a rescue that
could be the opening scene in an action movie

today sailor stories, too Ships getting torn
apart in storms and Nicholas miraculously shows

up on deck and the sea goes flat calm. A famine
story where he talks grain ships into dropping

cargo in Myra first. Telling the captains the
paperwork will still check out and it does.

Take it all at face value or figure some got
added on because people couldn't stop telling

stories about the guy. Either way, the pattern
never changes. He shows up uninvited for people.

who have run out of moves. He dies December
6, 343 or 345 A.D. buried in Myra. That date

becomes his feast day and for a long stretch
of European history, that's the actual day

people gave gifts, not December 25. In 1087,
sailors from Bari, Italy sail over and take

his remains home where they still are. People
still report a clear liquid seeping from his

bones called manna. with an actual ceremony
every year to collect it. From there, Nicholas

travels about as far from a fourth century Turkish
bishop as a guy can travel. Dutch settlers

bring their own gift-giving tradition with them
to New Amsterdam. That's New York now. They

call the version of Nicholas Sinterklaas. Now
say that a few times fast and you'll hear where

Santa Claus comes from. A poem in 1823 gives
him the sleigh and reindeer. A cartoonist gives

him the red suit and the North Pole address.
A soda company finishes the job. By the end

of it, almost nothing of the real bishop survives
except the gifts. The guy who did years in

prison for his faith got replaced by a guy who
says, ho, ho. If my wife Sarah is right and

you walked in for a Santa punchline, I hope
you are walking out with something closer to

an actual man. All right, back on the porch.
I keep coming back to his hands. The same

hands that dropped gold through a window in
the dark, wanting nothing back, not even a

thank you. The same hands that got chained up
in a Roman cell, rather than deny what he believed.

There were years of that. The same hands that,
if the story's true, crossed a room in anger

the second somebody explained away who Jesus
actually is. We like to keep gentleness and

conviction in separate people. You are either
the soft one or the sharp one. You pick a lane,

but Nicholas never picked. He was tender toward
the one struggling person right in front of

him and rock solid on the one truth he nearly
died for. Most of us can manage one of those

on a good day. He carried both at the same time
his whole life. So. Here's the question Nicholas

leaves you with. Which one have you flatten
yourself into? The soft one or the sharp one?

Gone so gentle, you have gone quiet on stuff
that actually matters. The thing you would

have said something about five years ago, the
thing you let slide now because it's easier.

Nicholas didn't let us slide. Not with Arius,
not in that room or Gone so locked in on being

right that you have stopped seeing the actual
person in front of you. They don't need your

argument. They just need somebody to show up,
quietly, expecting nothing back. That's the

version of Nicholas nobody remembers. The one
in the dark outside a stranger's window. If

I'm keeping it 100, most of us pick a side and
call it our personality, instead of admitting

it's a gap. The gentle ones tell themselves
silence is love. The convicted ones tell themselves

hardness is faithfulness. Nicholas doesn't let
either of us off that easy. He hands the quiet

ones a bishop with scars on his wrists, a man
who refused to shut up when it counted. He

hands the hard ones a different picture, a man
in the dark outside a stranger's window giving

away gold. making sure the father never found
out who saved his daughters. And now it is

time for the closing prayer. Lord, thank you
for Nicholas. Thank you for a guy who gave

in a secret and never asked for credit. And
for the fire in him that wouldn't stay quiet

when it mattered. For anyone whose gentleness
has gone silent, give them his nerve. For

anyone whose convictions have gone cold, give
them his willingness to show up in the dark

for someone who will never know his name. Help
us hold both. Amen. One more thing before we

go. St. Nicholas is the saint of kids, sailors
and pawnbrokers. Those three gold balls outside

pawn shops are literally his three bags of gold.
Also, patron saint of Greece, Russia and unmarried

people. A guy who did years in prison for his
faith, who tradition says Decta Heretic defending

it and spent the rest of his life showing up
for people with nowhere else to turn is now

more famous than almost any Christian who ever
lived and almost nobody knows who he actually

was. Well, that is episode 13. If this changed
how you will think about Nicholas aka Santa

Claus next December, send it to somebody who
needs the real version. Leave a review if you

have a minute. and next week, back to an unknown
saint. I think this one's going to surprise

you just as much as this did. I'm John O'Connor.
Thanks for sitting on the porch with me, and

I will see you next week.