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Welcome everybody to why, God? Why? So great to have you
with us. This is a space, where you can ask the
questions you don't feel comfortable asking in
church. And so I hope that today will be a real
blessing for you. I know it's going be a blessing for
me, because I get to sit next to a
friend of mine who I've known for several
years now. and it's just a
blessing to have you here. Mercy. Mercy,
I've known you since you were in college, I think,
actually. Yeah, probably. So that was how many years
ago now, Mercy?
Quite a few years ago.
We'll just say that
Mercy Benjo is, a friend. Not only a friend,
we used to work together for many years in campus
ministry. And so she's still doing that.
She is now in the role that I used to be
in back in the day, overseeing
campuses here in Rochester with the campus ministry
that we were a part of.
And, she's doing such a great job. I
just love watching you take things, seeing you
take things and run with it. It's beautiful.
Appreciate it.
Yeah. So, Mercy, let's start
off with just a little bit of your background
for people, because we're in the middle of this series here.
it's called Why Do I Still Follow Jesus? That's what
we're talking about with our
so, we'll dive into a little bit of your story, but just let
people know a little bit about where you're from,
kind of your passions in life, that kind of thing. So just a little
bit of background of you as a person.
Yeah, absolutely. so the where
you're from question is very interesting. M, I don't
really like asking that because I'm from so many
different places. So I was originally born in Nigeria,
mhm, and then we moved to New York City when I was about five years
old. And then we moved to Minnesota, lived there for seven
years, and then we moved to Nevada. And
then I made my way back up
to upstate New York for college and stuff.
So been around, been around the block a
few times if you,
so a lot of moving. Not military, though.
So a lot of people ask, gotcha.
Just family decided to do.
Yeah.
So there's a lot of story just in that itself before
we get on to anything else. There seems like
there's a lot there. The moving.
Moving, yeah.
So what age did you move from Nigeria to the
US? Five. Okay. Do you remember?
Not too much.
Not too much.
Okay.
Yeah. So what was that period
like for your family as you're moving?
I'll be don't like the earlier ones, I don't
remember. So from obviously from Nigeria to
the States? Don't remember that. Even from,
New York City to Minnesota? Don't
remember that too much. I think the more significant move
for me was definitely from Minnesota to Nevada. I was in, like,
middle school.
Oh, that's a big time.
Of course.
Yes.
Very angsty and was not very happy about
that.
So how did you respond to
how did that go for you?
Minnesota and Nevada is quite a difference
in a lot of things.
In a lot of things, yeah. I think for,
mean, I didn't really feel like I had much space to
respond any differently than to just accept it.
so I did. I think there was a point.
So I grew up in a Christian home. My family, we went to
church, a lot and
had somewhat of a relationship with God before this. But
really when the move happened, I didn't
want to and I was like, well, in my
middle school mind, I figured, well, I
can't change my dad's mind, but God probably
could. So that's when I really started
to pray and I was, like, writing. And it
was hilarious. He didn't change my dad's
mind. we stayed in Nevada, but
then know, grew closer to God in the
process.
That's interesting though. That's really interesting that you
would have that response and be like, well, God could change
my dad's mind. M
in putting yourself back there in those shoes,
how did that form your faith during that
time? Because you could have said, like, well,
he could change my dad's mind, but he didn't. So
that could make you, on one hand, feel, like, kind
of bitter about that. But did you feel bitter about
that? How did you feel?
Eventually I accepted it. It
was like, okay, yeah, no, actually, I think this is a
good place for me to be and other things
in life happen. And so
the move became less and less of
the main thing on my mind.
and I was also like, I don't know
how long it would take God to change my dad's mind. So we're
just going to see.
So then you go from Nevada to
mhm, you know, is
another different yeah. So you're
having to probably I don't want to speak
for you in here, but I would imagine if I was a kid,
all, ah, my grown up years, those are such different environments
that you're moving to that I would feel the
pressure to kind of morph
every move. I don't know. How would
that work for you?
I think from Minnesota to
Nevada, I was more in that mindset, like,
oh, I'm going to be a whole different person. M,
that didn't quite work out. But
I think, I don't remember a significant
making significant effort when I moved from
Nevada to, Ithaca to be
to reinvent myself in any sort
of.
But so then you're in mhm. Cornell
the pressures of everything. That's
there the craziness of
that place, which is a great
institution, wonderful. also
carries with it a lot of weight
because you're going there. Right.
It's funny, I didn't know Cornell existed
before. Like, the whole Ivy League
stuff. I was like, oh, what's this? And then my
guidance counselor in high school was like, Cornell.
So I was an athlete still m
am. so I got, like, a recruitment letter
for my sport from Cornell, which.
Was track, track and field.
I m was a runner, sprinter. Let me be specific
because I don't run.
No, but you do
run, just, if necessary, for
shorter periods of time.
Much shorter periods of time.
So you were recruited by Cornell mhm? Out of
nowhere.
To me, it seemed like out of nowhere.
Okay. Yeah, just out of nowhere. Yeah, just
recruited. Were you recruited by other
places?
Eventually, yeah.
Okay.
But I didn't get too many other letters,
honestly. I think, UNR, like the
university in my state. It's kind of, like,
expected. There's a lot of things there. So I was like, oh, maybe,
but Cornell got me first.
We'll do that.
There you go. So what was your spiritual
life like in college? How did that
morph for you?
Yeah, I think, so coming from
a faith background,
youth pastor encouraged. He's like, oh, make
sure you get connected to community. Make sure
you find people. And I'm like, okay,
sure. And then I've got track practice and stuff,
which I was way more
focused on.
were so, the different
Christian fellowships and groups at Cornell would do
just, like, different
events during orientation week and
stuff, most of which involved food.
And as a college student, as a college
athlete, food is like, if you want me to come to
anything or do anything, just have free food.
Right.
So I was there and I was like, oh, yeah, sure.
I'll put my number down, sign my life away
for a burger.
I got connected to one of the groups there,
Crew. and yeah,
just kind of
kept going with it. Mostly
I'm also a musician. so play instruments and
so got involved in their worship team and stuff.
And that's probably really what
solidified my
put my roots down there.
Yeah, I know you're a great drummer. What else do you
play?
I can play the guitar
and, like, a little bit of the bass. But
mostly at this point, guitar and drums.
Okay, well, look at you. See, that's something I didn't know about
you. I didn't know about the guitar part. I just seen you jamming on
the drums so much that I'm like, oh, Mercy's amazing. If you
ever get a chance to watch Mercy on the drums, you should do,
as in the middle of college, you met
people involved with crew. J Dubb is one of
my guys, so
love that dude. So you got a chance to hang out with him and
the FAM for a while, but, what are you going
through? You're an athlete. What else are you going through during
that season of your life, that's pretty
significant for you?
yeah, definitely. Even just, like, figuring out what
I want to do and who I want to be. I changed my major,
like, three times.
Just,
Kind of talked about, like, okay, college. There's a lot of Cornell,
but college in general, a lot of pressure, for me
from my parents specifically. so I
mentioned I was born in Nigeria. So ethnically
Nigerian? And, one of the,
what's it called? Just, like, expectations.
You'Re either a doctor, a lawyer, or an
engineer. Those, were the only three
acceptable occupations for me. So I
was like, okay, shoot. I don't really want to be any
of those. That sounds like a lot of work.
So started off like, okay, maybe I'll try the
medical route. My parents were both, like,
nurses, and, my older sister
was going to school for she was doing, like,
bio and stuff. And I was like, Maybe I'll try it.
Yeah, no.
Even in high school, I knew biology was, like, my worst
subject. But, like, engineering and
stuff, I was good with math until they started adding
letters, and then I wasn't. or
like, irrational
calculus. I can't no.
So I was like, engineering is definitely out. And
then lawyer. I'm not really
none of those three really sat with me.
So figuring out what I
wanted to do, and
even, with track,
too, it's like, obviously, I want to be
the best. I want to be the fastest. What do I got to do to do
that? but also, I don't want to work too
too hard, because that's a lot of work. I like to sleep. I
really like sleeping. Napping is, like, my favorite
pastime.
So there was just a lot of, like,
okay, how do I find
my way in and through
all this?
Right? And you ended up majoring in
what?
Communications.
Right here. As one of my professors told me,
my advisor said to me, if the good Lord would
have wanted X's and Y's to be numbers,
he'd have made them that way. So that's why
I resonated with that statement.
Anyway, when you were talking about once the letters
started getting in there not so much.
Not so much.
Yeah, not so much either. So
what would you name your biggest struggle during
that period of your life during that time? What would
you say
when you think back on it was the biggest
struggle that you had?
I think it definitely
related to,
just
I want to say, like, making a name for myself in a sense.
So, like, with track, right. I want to be
the best. I wanted to be the fastest.
I wanted the coaches to always take me on the, away
trips because you weren't guaranteed a spot. There are so many people
on the team. and
there was just this sense of
accomplishment with getting
a certain status.
the teammates would look up to you and actually
listen to you. The coaches actually, it's
like you mattered, right, if you were good. Mhm, but
only if you were good.
Yeah.
and so that was like a struggle for me because
you come from high school where I was the
best in a sense. And
then come to a school where everybody's the best
and then it's just like a who, okay,
this is hard. Very different.
Yeah. and how
long did it take you to adjust to that?
I don't think I ever really did maybe even go into
senior year, honestly.
No, that's good. I get that.
All those years. And
it did get to a point where I was like, talking
I had a conversation with, one of my coaches
because I was like, what do I need
to do? Part
of me too, even as I look back and I'm like, even if you had told
me something else, I probably would have had a hard time
doing it now. Looking back, I was like, oh, if I knew what I
knew now, all this other stuff anyway. But
he said something that really
stuck out to me and he was like, well, you just got to be
extremely selfish with your time and you
have to, put
all what I heard from it
anyway. I don't know exactly what words he says was like, you have to
be selfish and you can't care about
anyone else or anything else but
like, getting your goal and getting
it. And that's going to look like
spending hours in the gym
lifting more or, working
through because I had a lot of physical issues,
pain and stuff. And, that just didn't sit right with me.
I was m, like, I don't really want to do
that. I care about other people.
And, apart from that, what
really, I think hit me with that was
that it would mean or it was kind of like he
was asking me to take a step back from
my faith in a sense. He didn't say
this, of course, but I was involved with
crew. I was leading a Bible study and,
pursuing God. And
what he was basically saying is, track has to
become not my God, but
above my number one priority,
above anything else, if I want
to do what I wanted to do. And I
was kind of like, no.
this was like beginning of senior
year or something along those lines.
Yeah.
I was just kind of like, no.
Well, that's a hard one to let go because
as an athlete, so much of your
it's kind of like an identity thing. It's like an
identity crisis when it's like,
I don't want to let this go. I don't know.
I was an athlete too. I played baseball
in college and it's like there's a lot of your
at least for me, I gained a lot of my
worth from that. Just being on the team
itself gave me worth.
not all of that's bad. There's a great camaraderie to it.
That's awesome. But, when it becomes
the number one priority,
that's when it can get
kind of messed.
Yeah, absolutely. And for sure, my identity
was partially wrapped up in that.
And my, success
as an athlete,
oddly, enough, when I decided
to kind of let go of that, I started doing much
better.
Really?
Yeah. Interesting to a point. And then I
got severely injured and then just tanked.
And I was so mad.
I was so bad. Like, the last semester of my
senior year, I was like, ow,
I could hardly run. It
was kind of funny.
but the moment at which you let go,
you actually experienced.
Yeah, it was like freedom. I mean, it could
also be attributed we got new coaches. Like, different things happen
too, but sure. I do feel like part of it was
just me not, like, tensing up
and striving so hard. It was just kind of like, okay, and now
we're just going to do what I can and do this. And
then ended up working pretty
well. Yeah, until I got hurt.
But darn interesting.
You move on from college and
you joined Crew at that point, right?
Yeah. So obviously, life was perfect from then
on and you didn't have any other problems. So that's good. Yeah, of course.
Congratulations. what would you say
subsequently have been some of those moments in your life
where you go like, man, I
don't know. I had a tough one either given this one
up, like, identity thing,
became that track thing, or just
situations that you've walked through that you're like,
I don't want to have to relive that one over again.
what are some of the things that pop into your mind when you
think about that?
Yeah,
well, the one, specifically, that was probably
one of the hardest times in my life was when my mom passed
away. That was back in 2017.
and so there was
a lot of transitioning happening in
my life at that time too. and
even just, like,
seeing myself
even before it
happened. Right. She'd been sick. and how I
responded to that, I think,
was kind of like a
and sometimes I feel like we don't really recognize,
but we take our parents for granted sometimes.
Like, oh, no, they're always going to be there,
so let me do what I want. Well, this was
my mindset. Let me do what I want now. And then
mom will always be there, so I'll go
check on her later. and later never came for
me anyway. and at that
point, too, I interned with
Gross part time staff with Crew, but was kind of
transitioning out of that and looking for a new
job hadn't gotten wet, so I wasn't working at all.
And then my lease was up and they
were like, it was getting way too expensive for me because I don't have
a job. I won't really have anything. And so I was also looking for a
place to stay, looking for a new job. And
then my mom passed away. I was like,
okay,
I think I was sleeping on multiple friends couches for
like a month or so. Just, kind of bouncing
around. so that was probably
one of the
after college, right?
Wow, that is a significant
thing. I mean, I've walked through that as well. Like,
losing a mom and that's really
hard.
give us a picture of your mom. Like, what's your
favorite memory if you look back and you think
of a happy time,
mhm. What comes to your mind when
you think about that? A story or whatever.
She was always singing.
Yeah. And she'd like makeup songs.
but she really made it a point. She
tried to be always happy and cheerful as much as she
could. Right. and
so that was one thing. Another thing, just
like earlier on childhood
type, always going to sleep with the sound of her
cooking or something, doing something in the kitchen, really.
And I didn't go to bed, like, at eight. We went to bed at like ten
and she was in the kitchen. And
so it's like, yeah, going to sleep with like,
pots and pans and then like water running and stuff like
that. so she was very a hospitable woman.
She always took care of everyone
before herself. Sometimes I was like, mom,
you got to take care of yourself. But
again, to a point that sometimes it was kind of like,
not good for her health wise, but
she didn't really care. She would
literally take the shirt off her back or like,
oh, you're hungry? Take me. Even if it's her only
food for the day, she will give you her food.
Wow. What an inspiration,
huh? Wow. I could see how some of that
has passed on to you in your life. Yeah,
it's a beautiful thing. So
losing somebody like that,
it's not a quick thing. Right.
That's a pain that lingers and
still can linger. How did you navigate it at
the time of,
feeling the pain of it and like,
oh man, I thought my mom was going to be around forever. Now she's
not. How did you navigate it?
yeah, I think
just like, spending time in prayer.
yep.
friends were like, people were supportive. but
it's also hard for me to
really open up and reach out to other people with
that.
now I think also as a result, me and my siblings are a
lot closer with each other. and so we just
made more of an ah, effort to like, okay,
let's actually stay in contact
and communicate and check in on each other and
be there for each other kind of deal.
That is a natural part of it.
It's a blessing. But you
don't want that to be the reason for it,
right? Yeah. I don't know if you experienced
this for me, everybody's journey through
grief is different. So I lost both my parents,
but I think specifically with my mom,
it was,
the I didn't
know how I would respond, but I couldn't
open up my Bible for like, three
months. It wasn't necessarily
that I was mad at God.
It was like, I can't go there right
now. And
in some ways I think I felt guilty about it or
something, but it was just like,
I couldn't do it. I don't
know. Did you have any responses in
grief to feeling like, man, my
relationship with God is different now,
mhm, than it was?
Yeah,
definitely took a dip
of just like, again, I wasn't
necessarily mad at God. I was more
mad at myself, honestly,
because I felt not because I felt
like I could do something about her passing, but because
I felt like I didn't do enough before,
spend enough time with her, actually care for
her or whatever, like I should have. so it was a
lot of me feeling like I
failed. and so,
yeah, I don't recall
specifically, not like, oh, I'm not reading my
Bible. I definitely took a break
from leading
worship, playing drums and stuff like
that for a hot second. And,
even just like, there are certain songs or worship songs that are
just like, no, I can't listen to that right now.
And what did your mother pass away of?
endometrial cancer.
Wow. Mhm got you. So it was a long
journey.
It was I remember the first time she was
diagnosed and then we went to
visit. and then she got surgery.
and then did some chemo and then she relapsed
came back. and then
they did chemo again, but
she did not like the chemo. She was
not happy about it.
yeah, so it was a number
of years. Three,
four years maybe.
Yeah. That's a battle. That's a long battle.
HM. How did you
navigate the process of kind of like you
said forgiving yourself,
mhm, in the midst of it? I know there's a lot of people
that struggle with that. We all have regrets,
right? All of us got stuff. We
go, I wish I had a do over on that one. But
how did you navigate that process
of learning to
release yourself a little bit from it?
eventually I found a job, which was nice. and it
was a few months after she passed
and the night before had just been
struggling. I was still, like, volunteering with crew and
so, just there was various things
that reminded me of her.
And, was up, like, crying or whatever, and driving.
The next morning, woke up to go to work, driving to work, and
was just thinking about, and more or less, God
just reminded me of
Jesus. And so it was kind of like
this. I think I was driving,
and thinking about,
like, I deserve way
harsher punishment than what I'm like, why am I
alive and she isn't? I'm the
one that was not a good daughter. I'm the one
that didn't call her whatever.
and I'm trying to beat myself up
mentally. and
being like, I deserve a lot more than what
I'm getting. Like, this does not seem fair at all.
and it was just kind of like I don't know
how to fully explain it, but just
God, I feel, felt like God brought in
just the story of Christ
to my mind.
like, you don't need to take that
punishment because Jesus already
did. You know, like, all this stuff
that you did,
bad daughter, whatever, however you want to phrase it,
the punishment for that, christ took that on the
cross. So you don't need to
punish yourself. if you're being in
Christ, you don't need to because he's taking care.
Of it for you.
and I was just like, oh, yeah. That is the
message of the gospel. Right.
So how did that hit you emotionally in that moment?
What were you feeling in there at that
time?
it was like a burden had been lifted, for
sure, because,
I'm a visual imagery type person. And
so in my mind, as I'm going through
this, I'm thinking of and, I don't know what they're called,
but I think they're monks that would
like, that's what I was envisioning, like, trying to
do for myself, because I felt like that is what I
deserved. and
then it was
overlaid, with Jesus and him
getting those whips right.
And even God saying
what he endured was enough for you,
for everyone, for this situation,
and for the ones that you still haven't done yet.
so you don't have
to carry this burden.
Wow.
And so, literally, I was driving to work,
crying. By the time I got to work, I was, like,
on cloud nine.
Wow.
Just, like, singing to myself as I was doing
my work. just felt
like the truth of the gospel actually
really sunk deep that day.
Wow. For me, that's a really
real Poignant moment,
because it takes it from theory to
reality of M.
This isn't just something I kind of
believe, but this is
real.
Mhm.
That's significant.
Yeah.
So, I imagine that was one of those cases
where it's like, okay, this is why I still
follow Jesus, maybe. I don't know.
For you, it's like, oh, wow, he can actually
take this. I don't know if that's, putting your
words in your mouth on that one. But that's what
I sense as you're talking is
he frees me from having to experience
this all on my own.
Yeah. even with that,
he meets me wherever I
am. That's what I needed at that moment.
And
that timing was
perfect.
could it have happened before?
But,
in that moment, he
met, me with what I needed.
Yeah. That's so amazing.
So great. Mhm, have there been other times in your life
where you feel like he's met you where you needed where you
needed it?
I'm sure there has.
Yeah.
That's the one that I that's the.
One that stands out to you, though. That's the one that stands
out for sure. Yeah. It's beautiful.
Well, while we're on this topic, while I got you here,
and maybe we can muse for a couple
of minutes, because we
both have lived this life of
like we're experiencing stuff in our own life,
and yet we're trying to invest in a
new generation of people who's coming up, probably we want this
to be a space where some of those people could listen in
and go like, I know what these people
are talking to me right now. in
your observation of things right now,
as it stands, you work a lot with college students.
What do you see in this next generation
coming up that you see?
Man, people are really I don't think
people have an understanding right now of
what's really going on underneath the surface
of students lives right now. Mhm,
do you have anything that you say, oh, the outside
people don't get it. I get it
because I'm living it day in and day out, but I don't think people
understand that this is reality right now.
Anything?
Honestly, sometimes I don't know if I get it
every day, but it's
a whole different generation. Not
super removed, but still.
Yeah, I think
yeah, I'm not sure.
M.
Yeah, I see the differences, obviously, between when I was
in college and then with the students that I engage
with, on a daily basis
here.
and yeah,
there's just a whole spectrum
of people.
I feel like one of the things that I've come to realize over the
years, I don't think people
necessarily understand the
severity of anxiety that people are
experiencing.
That's true.
Like, the level at which it is.
I think people go, oh, yeah, students
probably experience anxiety, that's fine. Or why don't they just suck
it up and live with it? Or whatever. But, at least a lot
of people that I come across,
it's intense. Mhm. And
I don't know that people have an understanding for that.
Yeah. Again, I'm not sure if I
do.
I try, actually. A fun fact, I'm speaking on
anxiety tonight. Oh, are you? not, like, deep. The
thing with our meetings is you can't really
get super deep. You only have like, 20 minutes less.
Than 20 minutes to
barely touch on such a deep topic. But,
yeah, it's true. Social anxiety.
Just anxiety.
Yeah, all those things, is is
big. yeah.
Paralyzing to a lot of students.
So what are you talking about? About anxiety tonight?
What are you going to share?
What am I sharing?
I think how
oftentimes our anxiety is connected to
identity or security. and
so it's not just
like, for example, and this
isn't like saying this is everybody, but, for
example, stressed about a test. Well, why are you
stressed? Okay. Because you want to do well. Why do you want to do well?
Because you pass, and then you get good grades,
and then you graduate so that you get a job, a good job,
paying job. And now you're successful. It's
like you're chasing this identity
of this successful person. Or maybe it's more
like you want people to see you as smart and good,
whatever it is. And so you have that.
And now you're stressing about this test because that leads to
that. And so, when you put that up,
it can lead to that. Or for example, like social anxiety
with friends, okay, how are people going to see me? We want
to have this image of a certain
kind of person portrayed.
And our actions kind of
lead, into that. And so you get anxious and
stressed out about every little thing
because we have this
identity or perceived identity that we kind of
put forth or want desire to put forth
that, feeds
into that.
Yeah. And in our society, we got to create our
own identity. So it doesn't come from
outside of you. You have to create it yourself.
So you think that's going to be a really freeing
thing. But in actuality, it's a ton of pressure.
It's a ton of pressure.
It's a ton of pressure. And if you
feel like you have to create your own identity,
my goodness gracious, day after day, no wonder
you feel like, yeah, you're right. No wonder
it's a big source of anxiety. for
sure. I
think that's really great. I was just talking with you beforehand that I
spoke at U of R, where you're going
to speaking tonight. I just spoke there last
week, just about Psalm 139
and the concept
of being fully known by
God, being fully loved by God, and God
being fully present in our lives. And
then if we believe those
things about God, if that's reality, then we
can pray the prayer at the end of Psalm 139.
That's okay, lord, now you can test me and know my anxious
thoughts, search me, discover is there anything going on
inside me that isn't according to what you would want and
lead me in your way. But if you don't believe that God
is good and
loves you completely, is with you at
all times, and, that you're fully
known by Him, then
you can't enter into that. But once
that's rooted, then you can anyway, I'm preaching a sermon
to you and you're sitting here anyway.
Well, that's great. Mercy. I'm just
so grateful for you, so grateful for your friendship
and, anything else you want the people to know
out there, anybody that's struggling, what would you say to
them? Like, maybe as a parting word,
somebody who's going like,
I don't know if this following Jesus thing is worth
it.
Mm hmm. M, I've definitely asked myself
that question.
and I think one of
the things,
just
I think I
think about I don't remember where in the Bible, says something along these
lines, but like, to fix our eyes on
Jesus, the author and perfecter of our
faith. and so
and show up
even when you don't
feel like it. even when you're like, god, I don't want to be here,
I don't want you.
But,
yeah. Showing up
to Him or with Him or whatever, however you want to
phrase that,
and letting him take care
of the rest.
I think that's really all you can do,
right? Because I'm, like,
is Paul and Jesus with it. Yeah,
maybe.
but I think it's one of those things that,
is best answered
with God in his
presence and,
focusing on Him. So it's like, don't
worry about that.
Just keep reading or keep
being faithful, whatever.
And trust that he's going to
do something. Because again,
I can't do anything by my heart. Not really. He's the
one that changes hearts. He's the one that draws me to
Himself. So
I got to go to him.
Such m wise words there.
Yeah. And it takes the pressure off, too. It's like,
I can't do this, god, if
you really want me to be following you,
you're going to have to do something.
And if he's really real and
what about Him is true, if what we read about Him is
true in the Bible, then he wants to do
that. So, I just love that vision of
God that he wants to meet us where we're at, and he
wants to be there in the midst of even our doubts,
because he wants to.
Be there with us in the middle of it.
Well, thanks for being here, Mercy.
Of course.
Appreciate talking with you, as always.
And it's, a great time and,
ah, wonderful. Yeah. And thank you all for joining
us as we sat here with this conversation. And,
looking forward to seeing you. Next Time On
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