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A relatable and honest podcast about the highs and lows of being a youth hockey parent. Join us as we share real stories, struggles, and wins from the rink, offering insights and support for parents navigating the world of youth hockey.
And we are back everybody for episode number 10. Yo, yo, yo. Double digits.
Scott:That's what's up.
Jamie:Here we go. Shout out to our buddy, Kirk from Ontario, for reaching out to us on Instagram. Kirk, thank you so much, buddy. Really, really appreciate it. Glad you liked the content.
Scott:He had great call out and just going back to our gear talk from last week. So just using a max height blade for younger kids can be super helpful in winning battles, picking pucks off the boards. One timers. One timers, catching bad passes.
Jamie:Yeah, that I like. I like catching bad passes, especially the hard rims off the wall.
Scott:Yeah. No. It's super helpful.
Jamie:Yes. It is definitely good. So, Kirk, thank you so much. I know you're an Ontario guy. I hope you're not a Leafs fan.
Jamie:My condolences if you are.
Scott:Yeah. That was rough. Tough. Tough.
Jamie:Yeah. But Yeah. Yeah. And so Fill the ridiculous squad.
Scott:Yeah. No. I know. Well, if they can't do it with, the squad they have now, I don't know what what they're gonna change to to make them
Jamie:I'm assuming they're gonna resign Nyes. Have to.
Scott:I think you have to.
Jamie:Guys,
Scott:stud. I mean, you're taking nice beef before you're resigning Marner, right? A percent. Yeah.
Jamie:Yeah. Because Marner is going to be big money.
Scott:He'll be big money. Yeah.
Jamie:He's going be, and, and he, I was listening to some stats today and he has had a rough go when it matters.
Scott:Yes. Like a real bad You know what was interesting actually since you say that? Like post Four Nations, Mark Stone was I think it was Mark Stone was doing an interview talking about Marner's past to McDavid Right. In the in the final
Jamie:Stone was talking about Marner to No.
Scott:No. No. If I maybe I misspoke. Stone was being interviewed about Marner's past to McDavid.
Jamie:Okay.
Scott:Okay. And he said something along the lines of that helping his confidence. And it was just, it's not often you hear another professional call out a teammate and having low confidence. And maybe that's not exactly what he meant, but that's what I heard.
Jamie:Right.
Scott:Or that's what I took away from it. So there's clearly something there, you know, because his numbers have not he has not produced in the post season. That's for sure.
Jamie:Unfortunately not. Because the guy's a hell of hockey player. I mean, I think he needs to go somewhere. You know, Biz was talking today on spitting chickens. I don't know
Scott:if
Jamie:you heard he was talking about the Toronto market and how difficult the place it is to play. Like here we are in the New York area, right? You know, it's difficult to play here. I'm pretty sure that the Toronto hockey market is probably pretty aggressive. Because they're not a lot.
Jamie:Exactly. You know, so guys like Matthews and Marner, I think get, I think it's a tough go up there.
Scott:Yeah. They're under a microscope much more than they are in other question about it.
Jamie:Yeah. And if you don't perform, I think the media will like eat you.
Scott:Yeah. And I guess you can only avoid it to an extent. I mean, obviously I'm no celebrity. Listen, I've never had to deal with that, I can imagine that that you can only avoid it so much.
Jamie:I'm curious. What do you think if he goes to like, I don't know, Columbus or like Nashville?
Scott:Smaller market.
Jamie:I would think that the pressure and the media scrutiny would be much less, much, much, much less.
Scott:I think that's fair, but we're also assuming that that's what it is.
Jamie:Yeah, true.
Scott:But no doubt. I think even also people say in Montreal as well, both the original six teams, history is built into those two clubs along with others and being in Canada obviously comes with extra weight.
Jamie:That's for sure. It's gonna be fascinating to see what happens with the Toronto Maple Leafs. I don't think you're gonna see the same team next year.
Scott:I mean,
Jamie:if tell me Marner free agent. I mean, I do not think you're gonna see the same team next year. Jose, listen.
Scott:Yeah.
Jamie:Would you take Marner on the Devils million a
Scott:year? Listen, so listen, that that's again, numbers, it's a big number. Am not well versed in like, you know, the different teams and
Jamie:their jobs. Those are your max numbers essentially. Right? That's like your dry Seidl numbers, your Connor McDavid numbers, your McKinnon numbers. Those that's like your numbers.
Jamie:Think Big number.
Scott:Like, I I think a team like the Devils that needs offense, like, bringing someone like him on on on the club to the team is only going to help. I just don't know how a GM is going to think about the lack of post season production.
Jamie:Yeah, no, it's a problem.
Scott:It is a problem. But think that he's he's people are definitely gonna spend
Jamie:Oh, somebody somebody's going to somebody's gonna give him $14,000,000. I just don't know who. Somebody will. There's there's probably a a lot of teams that will. Yeah.
Jamie:You know? Like, you could see Utah. You could see
Scott:the Mammoth,
Jamie:Columbus lost their superstar.
Scott:Yeah.
Jamie:Yeah. The Mammoth. I liked the Yeti better. I liked it when they,
Scott:but they couldn't do it.
Jamie:No, I
Scott:guess they I think because of Yeti,
Jamie:like the
Scott:coolers
Jamie:and the Yeah. That's too bad. I would've, I thought that was a cool name.
Scott:I honestly would've preferred it to stay Utah hockey club.
Jamie:Really? Yeah. Why? Mammoth?
Scott:I don't know.
Jamie:Oh no, no. If I'm choosing between Mammoth and Utah hockey club, Mammoth is okay. They could have come up with something a little more clever. Yeti was awesome.
Scott:Yeah. Yeah. No, Yeti is awesome, but obviously it's off the table. Yeah. Whatever.
Jamie:But yeah, but somebody will give him, somebody will give him big money. Somebody will.
Scott:Yeah.
Jamie:It's going be interesting to see what happens. I'm very curious to see how this free agency goes. Yeah. After everything's done.
Scott:We'll see what happens getting into the Stanley cup finals. I mean, we're talking to NHL now,
Jamie:but yeah, we'll talk it at the end. Yeah. We'll go into Stanley cup, Stanley cup finals at the end and stuff like that and Stanley cup playoffs, but, yeah. Yeah. Kirk, so Kirk from Ontario, thank you so much, buddy.
Jamie:Really appreciate it. And again, my condolences if you're a Maple Leafs fan. Yeah. Yeah. Did you do any hockey this weekend?
Jamie:This past weekend?
Scott:No. No? No hockey. I was out of town for work and the fans came up to visit. So that took all hockey off the table.
Jamie:Right.
Scott:And no, I see like spring hockey is winding down.
Jamie:Yes. Yes it is. Dominic just finished his last skate
Scott:on Sunday. With?
Jamie:That with the the Swedish guy that we skated with him. Oh,
Scott:Oh, that was okay.
Jamie:That finished Yeah.
Scott:The the spring practices are finished. Otto was doing this one skills program near us. Monday's dry land and strength, speed, agility. Right. And then Wednesday was on ice, that's wrapped up.
Scott:He'll still skate Thursday mornings, but right now it's like a weird spot.
Jamie:Right.
Scott:We're not signed up for anything organized over the summer. Hockey related? Well, like no teams. So as far as like summer goes.
Jamie:Yeah, Are you doing any training hockey stuff?
Scott:Yeah, what can we Listen, we'll go to clinics, we'll go to skills clinics. So there's one program that's relatively new in our area. I like the guys over there. Otto is having fun over there. So I'd like to see them continue going over So they have to rent ice elsewhere.
Scott:But at their facility they've got shooting lanes, they've got a rapid shot, they've got, I think it's called rapid hands, like a stick handling thing. Have you ever seen that?
Jamie:It passes the puck to you and then you shoot The
Scott:rapid shot, yeah, it passes you the puck and then they have lights around like the goalposts. Have seen. And the crossbar and so like, get the pass and get your head up. I have seen
Jamie:it, it's very cool.
Scott:Yeah, no, it's cool. I've gone in there a few times.
Jamie:Yeah, there's not a lot of them around here.
Scott:No, but what's actually pretty cool about it Two. Two of them. Yeah. But if you are like, I guess, enrolled or signed up or you have an account, you have a Rapid Shot account, any Rapid Shot you go to, you can like log in and it's going to know you were at
Jamie:Oh, is that right? Well, I didn't know that. That's cool. I did not We did it once up in like Newburgh.
Scott:Yeah. No, it's cool. And then they have the RapidHands, which is like a stick handling version where it's basically you got to keep your head up, you're looking at a screen and then you're stick handling. And it's like, I think it shows like colored dots like on the screen. Like, you're not looking down.
Scott:Right.
Jamie:Right. Right.
Scott:To, like, pass the puck over the dots and Nice.
Jamie:So this place has that?
Scott:It has that. And then it's got proper shooting lanes with glice so you can get on there with your skates.
Jamie:Oh, okay.
Scott:To do that. And then they have a gym.
Jamie:Nice. So it's what's really geared to like it's really geared to shooting and off ice stuff. Yes. That's essentially what you're doing.
Scott:A %. Okay. Yeah. And it's it's hockey specific. So we'll continue to do that.
Scott:Nice. And, you know, like, I don't know, this time of year is I don't wanna say it's conflicting necessarily, but we haven't gone really hard in the spring and the summer. Like last summer we went away to a tournament in Europe, which was pretty awesome.
Jamie:Yes, you did. That's right. You took your whole family.
Scott:Yeah. It was a great experience. Went to Slovenia.
Jamie:I was going say Slovenia.
Scott:Home of Andre Kopitar. It was like a celebrity. Is that right? Absolutely.
Jamie:Oh, all right. Nice. Yeah. LA Kings, right?
Scott:Yeah, for sure. Nice. So that was great. That was an awesome trip. It was cool to play internationally.
Scott:Our team wasn't so great, it was experience. Didn't go there thinking we were top dog. Played two teams from Slovakia, a team from Czech, Czechia or
Jamie:Yeah. I don't know.
Scott:Stupid. Czech
Jamie:Republic. I didn't know what to call these names.
Scott:Czech Republic.
Jamie:Pretty sure United States beat them today five two in the IIHF Worlds.
Scott:Oh, yeah?
Jamie:I'm pretty sure.
Scott:Oh, nice.
Jamie:Yeah. I wanna say like Is
Scott:Jager playing for him?
Jamie:Playing till he's like, he's gonna be like 75 and he's gonna be on the ice skating I
Scott:play men's league with like a 75 year old.
Jamie:Do you?
Scott:Actually, I take it back. It's not men's league, it's like a pickup game that I play. It's
Jamie:like beer league stuff.
Scott:Yeah, beer league stuff.
Jamie:It is men's league.
Scott:But this particular game is not in an organized league. It's just like a recurring pickup game. Anyway, it's pretty cool to see old timers out there.
Jamie:Yeah, I can imagine. Listen, it's great for your cardio.
Scott:Right? Good workout. 100%.
Jamie:Yeah, you sweat your ass off.
Scott:Dude, but at the same time, it's scary to see an older person fall
Jamie:a little Does he have a rough go when he's out there?
Scott:Not moving so quick, honestly,
Jamie:happy be out the so, yeah. Good for him.
Scott:That's great. But the whole Europe thing, what I was going to say was there's plenty of hockey tourism. There's no shortage of it. You can go to Finland, Sweden, Czech, wherever. And what I would say is for a family that it's a it's a great way to go see a country and also like how to get a kid some pretty neat experience.
Jamie:Honey crab. Sorry.
Scott:Sorry. I had to clear my throat. I I
Jamie:don't I'm just playing with you. I'm just busting your chest.
Scott:No. Look, but I I think it depends on like your intention and motivation going into it. You can get hoodwinked thinking that you're playing something super prestigious or you're gonna be on this super all star team. What was that Instagram? Where it was like
Jamie:Which one?
Scott:The triple A
Jamie:my God. Sent that to you. I sent that to you, right? Yeah. That's the guy I was telling you about.
Scott:That's hysterical.
Jamie:That's the guy I was telling you about. That was like, that he's where the guy at tryouts, he goes up to the coach. He's like, coach, can I ask you, an honest review of my kid? He's like, what's kid's name? He's like, Dominic Vertucci.
Jamie:Kids call him like two ply and like, that's the same guy. That's funny. He's great.
Scott:That one was hysterical when he started saying like Jubilee and like,
Jamie:oh, funny. Austin something. I feel it's an escape, but he is a funny bastard. He's great. Oh yeah.
Jamie:So that's same guy.
Scott:Same guy.
Jamie:Meanwhile, the one that I was telling you about, the Instagram clip that I'm telling you about, about tryouts and how the coach was like, you know, have him go there. Get out of the car. I can't find, I've scoured this guy's Instagram.
Scott:You can't find it.
Jamie:I cannot find it. I don't know why.
Scott:Listen, I'm pretty sure you sent it to me and I'll look through my phone.
Jamie:You think you have it, the original?
Scott:I think I can find it.
Jamie:Oh my
Scott:goodness. I'm not guaranteeing
Jamie:it, but it would have been years ago.
Scott:Years ago? Oh, maybe we're not talking about the same
Jamie:thing. No, well, maybe a year ago then, fine. You know? Yeah.
Scott:I don't know.
Jamie:I'll take a It's not Hockey House by Pat Shea.
Scott:No. No. No. No.
Jamie:Yeah. So if you if you guys don't know Hockey House by Pat Shea, go Pat Shea is a guy that played at the University of Maine, and he was drafted by the Carolina, the I'm sorry, not the, he was drafted by the Florida panthers actually. He's a very, very funny hockey, Instagram, personality. And he has this one video called, I don't if it's called the hockey house, but it's about like a freshman walking into a hockey house. Just trust me, just find Pat Shea and go and find this hockey house.
Scott:He's a funny dude.
Jamie:Oh my God. It's so good. So, so, so good. But this guy, Austin is very similar. Very, very funny guy, you know, but, yeah.
Jamie:So, so yes, in the summertime you have a lot of those long, you know, those long trips you could take overseas. You know, Oh my God, do you have it? No, that's another one. That's that's him on the right. And that's his buddy on the left.
Jamie:Yeah. It's yeah. I'm telling you it's gone. I have, I have scoured this guy's Instagram. It is gone.
Jamie:Did. I wrote him and I'm like, Hey bud,
Scott:like, he didn't. Write him again.
Jamie:Maybe. How many followers does the guy have?
Scott:I don't know.
Jamie:What's his name?
Scott:I just clicked away.
Jamie:Oh, it's Austin something. Another funny hockey guy. Him and Pat Shea are very funny. If you guys if you guys look for somebody funny to follow on Instagram, Pat Shea is hysterical. Hysterical.
Jamie:I haven't looked at this stuff in a while, but his old stuff is to to die for.
Scott:Yeah. So just getting back to the summer stuff. Yeah. So Europe was cool. Good experience, but it's almost like not buyer beware, but like going into it, if someone's selling you something that sounds too good, it probably is.
Scott:But if you're just looking for like a good reason to go overseas or
Jamie:If you're looking for a reason to go on vacation, then it's, you know what, then it makes a lot of sense to
Scott:me. Yeah, we were over there after we finished up the tournament. Slovenia is an awesome location. I had no idea about I didn't either. Before the tournament, but it borders Italy, Croatia, what's the North?
Jamie:Oh, nice. So did you guys go? Did you kind of move around a little bit?
Scott:Yeah. So we rented a car, we drove to Italy. You did? To Croatia and then we drove from Croatia back to like It was pretty, yeah, was amazing.
Jamie:And you were gone for what, like two weeks?
Scott:Yeah, two weeks.
Jamie:Nice.
Scott:Yeah, was sick. So in any event, so Do
Jamie:have any idea what the cost for like, just to give our listeners like an idea of like cost for like that type of trip?
Scott:Honestly, it just you have to look at it. Ballpark ish. Ballpark ish.
Jamie:I wanna say it's like 15. 15 what? Grand. All in. $12.
Scott:No. Honestly, I don't even wanna put it. I don't know off the top of
Jamie:my I don't think it's a small number.
Scott:No, look, have to, like, you pay for your flights. Mean, look, I'm not saying it's cheap.
Jamie:Hotels, yeah. Because I remember we were going to put something like that together and the guy came to us and it was in like Finland or something like that. Yeah. And it was around like the Helsinki and like, we're going to put all these teams. And I remember the price tag was like
Scott:was cheap? I'm not saying
Jamie:it's I think you're like between 10 and 15,000.
Scott:Right. It's definitely not cheap. No. But my only but to it is that if you are spending all this money, then just know that you don't get a good, don't get huddled. Don't get huddled.
Scott:That's all.
Jamie:You use it as a reason to travel with your family. That's how I look at that stuff.
Scott:Yeah, totally.
Jamie:You know, that's how I look at all travel now for hockey. Didn't used to be like that. I used to be crazy hockey dad.
Scott:So we just got a speaking of traveling and tournaments and all this stuff. So confirmed a % that our tournament allotment or whatever is 100% going to the three showcases to play quote unquote league games and anything else is out of pocket.
Jamie:Told you.
Scott:Just like, you know, just a scam.
Jamie:Horseshit. Total horseshit. So they're giving you the three tournaments that they would that they would have given you for your tuition are now showcases. League games, essentially.
Scott:You're playing And then so then Horseshit. So So like in the future It's happening, Dustin. In the future when the AHF and the THF and these Black Bear leagues are more national, then okay, I can see how that's different, but considering the fact that the lion's share of those teams are located in the Philadelphia, New Jersey, Northeast, we're going to these places anyway. No question. Know, it's Unless they're going to have the few teams that are in Michigan wherever.
Jamie:Come over?
Scott:Well, or they have it over there and we go, I mean, I'm not planning on flying anywhere, but the likelihood of us going somewhere that's, you know.
Jamie:Yeah, no, I think, I think they should just roll everything into the tuition, just roll it into the tuition and charge everybody another $500
Scott:Yeah. It's just another way for the league to make more money.
Jamie:It's just irritating.
Scott:It's about making ROI for their investors.
Jamie:It's so irritating, So irritating. That's what hockey is, I say it all the time, it's huge business. Youth hockey is huge business.
Scott:If we legitimately play teams that there's not a chance we would see during the season just because of distance, you know, that's better. That's better and fine.
Jamie:Yeah. No, that's fine. But I know it sucks. And you're be in the middle of nowhere. You're not going to be in a cool area for the most part.
Jamie:Where are you going to be? Albany?
Scott:I don't know.
Jamie:Pittsburgh in the middle of nowhere in Pittsburgh.
Scott:I don't want to go to Pittsburgh.
Jamie:Listen, the Downtown Pittsburgh, Downtown Pittsburgh is fine, but you're not going be in Downtown Pittsburgh. You're going to be somewhere in the middle of nowhere. You're going be forty five minutes from Downtown Pittsburgh. You know, that's what I don't like. Oh, so you're in the same situation I am.
Scott:Wait, they told you also that a
Jamie:%
Scott:anything outside of those shows.
Jamie:Yeah. Talked about that like two podcasts ago or three podcasts ago. Yeah. But now, but you weren't, you weren't sure at the time, but now you are
Scott:now I'm sure.
Jamie:Yeah. Doesn't it suck? It's I'm telling you, it's just it's just crap. I don't like that. That's that's the part of you talking that I don't like.
Jamie:Just roll it into the tuition. Yeah. And let let the and let the teams pick two cool places
Scott:to do. Because that was like, you know, when we'd go to tournaments. Yeah. Like, let's even say we're going to Boston, which or Boston area because the tournament's never in Boston. Everyone says it's the Boston whatever, but it's always outside of Boston.
Scott:Yes. But you take a look at the teams that are going and you could rate the tournament director and say, Listen, we're going to see these guys five times a season.
Jamie:Can we somebody else? Yeah.
Scott:Look, you might end up playing a team that you're going to see during the season just because of the way things shake out, but you're going to see teams that are not in your league.
Jamie:Going to a tournament, driving like five hours up to like Boston or like five hours out to Pittsburgh or wherever you're going and playing a team that's like 30 from you when you're home is so irritating. Yeah. It's so irritating. Yep. You know?
Jamie:And it's it it just is. It's just so irritating.
Scott:Alright. So let's circle back to this.
Jamie:Yes. So we'll back to summer hockey.
Scott:So so are what are your plans for now that spring's over? Like, are you gonna continue to do what?
Jamie:So Dominic skates on, he'll go like, obviously during the week he goes a couple mornings. Yeah. He goes Friday, like evenings. The Saturday, Sunday is gone, you know, not, not Saturday and Sunday. It was one or the other.
Jamie:So that's gone because that's finished. So I think we're just going to continue to, You know, to skate, that's what we're going to do. We're going to skate, you know, he's, he's working on like puck protection. He's working on like turning away from danger. He's working on strides or working on like, being explosive.
Jamie:So that is what we're going to do just to continue. I'm not doing not this year. I have not signed up for, I'm not saying I'm not going to, but I haven't yet. I used to do a lot of hockey camps, you know, I used to do like whoever's coming to the area, whether it's like a defensive camp or it's like a stride camp or it's like a, this, you know, we he's gone to the university of Princeton for a week and, you know, was there. And I'm not gonna lie.
Jamie:Those were really cool. I really liked the college camps for the experience
Scott:because you're on a college campus
Jamie:because you're on a college campus. And for the most part are both of our kids now are old enough to sleep in the dorms and actually like, you know, have like a roommate and stuff like that and be responsible. Right. You got to brush your teeth when you got to take a shower every night. Got to, you know, and mom and dad aren't there.
Jamie:I like that. Right. Yeah. It's independence. It's independence.
Jamie:You're cutting the cord from mom and dad. You know, it's actually funny. Remember our parent meeting, we talked about a couple podcasts.
Scott:Oh yeah, we did. I don't think we even followed up
Jamie:on that. Yeah. So at the parent meeting, the coach actually said no parents in the locker room. No tying kids skates. None of that.
Scott:No, no, He's like, he's like,
Jamie:he says, he's like, we're cutting the cord. Done. What he said.
Scott:Done ski.
Jamie:Which listen, my kid was not doing that anyway, but now everybody else is gonna have to follow suit who was not.
Scott:Yeah. And I think that's important. Yeah. For sure. Listen.
Scott:Gaining independence.
Jamie:No question about it. Yeah. Really good for these kids. Also a nice little confidence boost, like a shot of confidence when they see they can do it without mom and dad. Yeah.
Jamie:Also, think important.
Scott:Yep. Alright. So going back, so so are you going to any universities or colleges for like, no, but that was for summer, right?
Jamie:That was summer.
Scott:Yes. You'll
Jamie:continue do things. So do
Scott:Skills, off ice. And then, but what is, so then summer.
Jamie:I do not have camps planned. I do not have college.
Scott:I don't
Jamie:have any college camps planned. I was thinking about doing, Sacred Heart. Sacred Heart.
Scott:Yeah. Right? Two or three hockey, whatever.
Jamie:Yes. Was going to do that. I looked into West point, but I think it's sold out. I haven't looked into Princeton again. Princeton was great.
Jamie:We did it a couple of years in a row and then COVID shut it down for a bunch, you know, and then they moved it off out of the Princeton campus and they moved it to like a local rank in Princeton. I didn't do it when they did that. Cause I want the college experience. And I'm not saying that, you know,
Scott:you mean just like being on the
Jamie:campus in the, in the, in the rink, you know, of that's on the campus.
Scott:Right.
Jamie:I think it's a very good experience for a child.
Scott:Yeah. There's a, there's an organization pro ambitions. I think it's Pro Ambitions, but they have multiple camps. It's a nationwide program. I'm pretty sure nationwide.
Scott:And they have an interesting one because I was looking at it for Otto. He's not going to it this year, maybe next year. So they're at Boston University. They have multiple camps at Boston University, but they also have a camp at URI.
Jamie:I think I looked at that one point.
Scott:URI. And why did I mention this one in particular? Because, and I think they shut it down during COVID, but they're bringing it back this year for the first
Jamie:time in a while. The one at URI you're
Scott:talking about? The one at URI. It's combo hockey and surf camp. They actually take the kids to go surfing. That's kind of cool.
Scott:Yeah, no, it's totally because what does tend to happen with some of these camps that you're the ice, it's highly scheduled and highly regimented and it's very hockey focused.
Jamie:And
Scott:I think, look, these hockey camps are usually what? A week at a time?
Jamie:Generally, yeah.
Scott:You could go for multiple weeks.
Jamie:Generally, drop them off like Sunday night they pick them up like Friday Yeah, exactly.
Scott:You know, that's something not like, I don't know, like an air quote summer camp. Like when I think summer camp at least when we were kids, you're outdoors, you're doing more nature
Jamie:Definitely different type of camp, no question.
Scott:No, without a doubt. But what I'm saying is that I think that those are also important experiences as well. And while Otto's not going to like a day camp where he's like doing that kind of stuff, which is totally fine, it's more sports oriented. But yeah, so I just thought that one was pretty interesting and it just didn't work out for us in terms of like timing and distance. But yeah, we're going to go up to Camp Elite, Elite Hockey Camp up in Vermont, if I'm not mistaken.
Scott:So he's going to go up there. Going do mountain biking.
Jamie:Yeah, I remember you said he was going do
Scott:mountain biking. Yeah, he's super stoked about that.
Jamie:Yeah. And he's going come back in next games athlete.
Scott:I don't know about that. He went last summer to Camp Woodward, which is out in Pennsylvania. Aren't you doing that again? He's going do that again.
Jamie:Yeah, you said that.
Scott:Yeah, and last we signed up to go to Europe and I was coaching and obviously he was And the week before,
Jamie:it
Scott:was the week before, a week before, he was at Camp Woodward, is like great. And then when we actually, he was already signed up and we did this like months in advance, then when I was like, Oh shit, like if he goes out there and like what if he breaks his arm? Know, what if he breaks his collarbone? Know, that whole trip is like shot. The whole thing's not shot, but certainly the hockey part of it's shot.
Scott:And thank, touch wood, whatever expression you want to say, that didn't happen. But I would be lying if I didn't tell you or if I said I wasn't concerned.
Jamie:He's sleeping at these camps? He's sleeping?
Scott:Is he
Jamie:going stay in like a dorm? Yeah. Oh, he is. Okay. So you are cutting the cord.
Scott:So last summer we did it for one week. Right. And then this summer we're gonna do it, I think for four total, but not consecutive. Like two, one, only one hockey, two mountain biking. Okay.
Scott:And then one like Woodward, which is like, I think he's primarily do like BMX stuff.
Jamie:Right. Can I tell you a funny story about like not cutting the cord? We're talking about like kids that like, you know, or parents that are like helicopters.
Scott:So
Jamie:we had a kid on our team two years ago and we had like a two and a half hour practice like on Wednesdays. And for whatever reason, this kid was, I don't say ostracized, but he was like, you know, you know, the kids gave him a little bit of stick in the locker
Scott:room for
Jamie:whatever reason. I'm not actually not sure why. Right. But I know that there was like some, some of that going on. Right.
Jamie:They were busting his chops about stuff. Kids being kids, you know, I don't think it got to a point where like, it was like, you know, considered a problem.
Scott:More like chirping as opposed to Yeah.
Jamie:Yeah. Correct. I think they were chirping, which I have noticed at the serious AAA level happens a lot. Right?
Scott:Yeah. Well, you got a lot of alpha mentalities that just like couldn't give a You're exactly right.
Jamie:So I remember during one practice, I guess he was complaining, you know, And he sat on the bench or he pulled himself off the ice. One of the two, he either sat in the picture, he pulled himself off the ice and the parent went down to see what the story was. Can't make stuff up. And then like ten minutes later, the kid's sitting, it was either on the bench or right outside the rink on a bench in full view of the rest of our team that was practicing. He was eating like tacos and like Skittles and like, or like a hotdog or chicken fingers.
Jamie:He was eating
Scott:junk food.
Jamie:He was, he was, he was having like dinner. Like, so I guess
Scott:He was hangry? Couldn't handle practice?
Jamie:I guess he said to his parent
Scott:He's been angry?
Jamie:I'm hungry. So the parent went and got him food and he's eating while our team is on the ice practicing. What? Yeah. Isn't that nuts?
Jamie:Like, listen, I don't want to tell anybody how to parent because that's not my job. But if, first of all, my kid would have not come off the ice during practice like that. But let's just say he did, I would have looked at him and be like, Hey bud, you got an hour and a half left? Go back on the ice. I'll see you in an hour and a half.
Scott:Yeah. I mean, at most I would If my kid was like, I'm going to faint, I'm going to pass out, I would shove half a Twix down his throat and then say
Jamie:I wouldn't even do that.
Scott:Me, personally. No, that's
Jamie:fair. Because listen, these kids are not starving for food. You know what I'm saying? It's not like we live in Somalia. You know what I'm saying?
Jamie:And like food is scarce.
Scott:That's like when my daughter says she's hungry. I'm like, you do not know what hungry is. No. Like not even a little bit. No.
Scott:Because if I if I'm if I'm not mistaken, like, was about only twenty minutes ago, had, like, five snacks.
Jamie:Right. Exactly. But but but am I wrong? Like, so we're talking about cutting the cord. Right?
Jamie:And, like, and, like, and and having the kids be more self sufficient and stuff like that. And in my, in my opinion, they did not help their child's situation by doing that for them.
Scott:Okay. But so
Jamie:the, because all the team is sitting there looking through the glass and this kid's like chowing down and the kids are like, what the f?
Scott:So let's be like super charitable. Yeah. And I'm being serious. Maybe there's like a medical condition?
Jamie:No. No.
Scott:No. The answer is no to that one. No. No. No medical condition?
Jamie:No. No. You're just trying you're just, like, reaching for an excuse?
Scott:Well, well, listen. So to be honest with you, I I know of a family whose kid, like, was recently diagnosed with a medical condition and they need to monitor blood sugar. Fine. Diabetes
Jamie:or something like that, a whole different situation. That was not this situation.
Scott:You can confirm that was not
Jamie:this Yes, I can confirm that was not
Scott:this situation. So he was just hangry. Yeah. Okay. Well, listen, I digress.
Scott:No, you do digress. But it's part of like the larger conversation we're talking about like summer camps, giving these kids some more independence, some more cutting the So you're certainly at a point where like, it seems like you're pretty much out of the picture in terms of like Oh
Jamie:yeah, I don't go in the locker room.
Scott:Don't tie skis. I feel like I'm on the cusp. You're not far. I'm pretty much there. We're going to go into hockey camp.
Scott:We'll make sure Otto can tie his hockey skates. Mean, even though there'll be people there to help him, we'll see. But my goal would be for him to feel comfortable doing it himself and not have any issues.
Jamie:You know what? He should tie them. And if they're not tight enough, ask one of the guys on the ice, Hey, listen coach, can you just tighten my skates? Just fucking try. I tied them but can you tighten them for me?
Scott:Yeah, totally. No problem. Listen, I want to go back to the summer camp piece because as a hockey dad and having a kid who has played AAA, this season's gonna be his first season of AA, I definitely feel really conflicted about not doing more.
Jamie:You mean like workouts, not doing more ice, not doing more stuff.
Scott:And so I bring up the AA, AAA thing only because I've
Jamie:been You think you're
Scott:No, no, no.
Jamie:Foamowing?
Scott:I don't know about missing
Jamie:The feeling missing out?
Scott:No, it's not missing out of anything in particular now because I think that we've got access. Like there's no like prick team that I'm having like FOMO about or some like tournament team that I'm like, whatever. It's more about, are we doing enough? Because I know from the AAA world and knowing a bunch of those parents and just seeing what they do and how intense it can be and how it's like, can't stop, won't stop. Know, I just
Jamie:Doesn't mean it's right though.
Scott:Listen, I
Jamie:It is what it is, but it doesn't mean that what they're doing
Scott:is No, I agree. But, you know, we're having this conversation now and even just hearing myself say out loud, he's doing one week of hockey camp and then he's doing mountain biking camp and whatever.
Jamie:Dominic's doing no weeks of hockey camp.
Scott:Okay. No weeks of hockey camp. None. Okay. But
Jamie:But he'll be on the ice. He'll
Scott:be skating. That I think that's
Jamie:But he's doing no weeks of hockey camp.
Scott:That's the piece though that like is important to connect because it's easy to say. Well, not easy. It's a fact. He's doing zero hockey camp.
Jamie:I have not signed him up for any hockey camp.
Scott:But for all I know or the listeners know, could end up doing like twice the amount of hockey that any kid that goes to like a couple hockey camps is doing between whatever like clinics and like, oh, I'm not saying he is.
Jamie:And I'm not asking for
Scott:an answer.
Jamie:I'm just telling you, I'm not hiding anything. Listen, he's, he's going to skate every Friday. He's going to skate every Friday as long as that coach is around.
Scott:Okay.
Jamie:You know, just a one on one. And he's, they don't even, he doesn't shoot the hockey puck. It's just, it's just skating, skating with the puck, skating without the puck. It's just skating. So we're going to do that.
Jamie:You know, if I, if I can mix in one or two other like things, just to So, I was talking today to him. He he's probably going to continue to do that with this.
Scott:You talked to Dom.
Jamie:No, I talked to the coach that runs it. Yeah. Yeah. I talked to his coach that runs it and I'm probably going to continue to do that as long as he'll
Scott:put the older kids.
Jamie:Yeah. Yeah. As long as he, as long as they keep going with that. Yeah. Which is it's Dominic and like, you know, a bunch of like, They're like, they're all 18 years old.
Jamie:Like they're all, they're all six. It's a massive gap. Listen, you know, but it's really good for him, for Dominic to experience that. Listen, he doesn't shoot the hockey puck. He doesn't do anything like they do, but it's, but they like, the kids start talking to him.
Jamie:They're like, Oh bud, they're like, cut in this way instead. Like when you come around the net, make sure you cut it towards the net as opposed to going wide. They're talking to him and they're saying, Hey, do this, Hey, do that different. And he's doing it. He's actually taking what they say and he's trying what they're telling him to go do.
Jamie:You know, so that in that respect, it seems to be working
Scott:so far. It's like, it's not like he has a buddy at the back of the line.
Jamie:He has no buddies.
Scott:These kids are taking
Jamie:these are four eighteen kids and Dominic
Scott:they're dialed in.
Jamie:Four 18 year olds and have just turned 13.
Scott:So it like forces Dominic to like up his like maturity level. No
Jamie:question. Because he can't fuck around with buddies because there's no buddies to fuck around with. Like these kids are dialed in, you know, some of them are playing like heavy duty juniors. That's what these kids are.
Scott:But that's also a pretty unique situation. Wouldn't you say, like I, even with some of these clinics, a lot of kids will play, like up in the clinic, but like it's still,
Jamie:I'm lucky because this coach likes my kid. He loves him. He loves my child.
Scott:That's amazing.
Jamie:And, and, and Dominic works with him in the mornings, you know, before school, you know, so, so he, it just worked out.
Scott:So what would you say? Okay. So rough estimate.
Jamie:I will
Scott:do that on a weekly basis over the summer, you can average about how many hours of ice time would you say?
Jamie:I would say on a weekly basis, three.
Scott:Three. And that will be consistent throughout the summer.
Jamie:I'm not, I'm not doing, again, I have not signed up for any camps. I'm not going anywhere. We're going away a bunch. So we're not even, we're not even going to be around. He'll be off skates for a while too.
Scott:So one of the things, again, as we talk about this and I struggle with it mentally and I go back and forth, are we doing enough? Like on one hand, it's like, again, don't have a fear of missing out of something like a particular camp or a particular team.
Jamie:No, just have fear of not doing enough. Yeah. When other people you think are gonna surpass you for ice time or for training time or for this or for that, I get
Scott:it. I get So Otto now, he's in a good position to be one of the better players on the team.
Jamie:Yeah, you mentioned that.
Scott:And he's excited about that, but at the same time, he needs to continue to put in the work. Mean, just because he might have an edge at the moment doesn't mean that if he just takes that for granted. So what am I ultimately saying is that part of me is, let's just say, like he only wants to do hockey to an extent. He's not begging me to take him to skating classes. He'll go and sometimes he'll want to, but he's not like day in and day out, I need to be on the ice.
Scott:So then that leaves me in a position where it's like, am I just gonna follow his lead? And again, I'm talking about this is like off months, right? Am I just gonna follow his lead? He's 10. He's 10 years old.
Scott:Am I gonna follow his lead and just, when he wants to go, go. Or am I gonna be like, dude, listen, at a minimum, I need this commitment from you to be on this. And why do I say I? Because he tells me, he's playing ice hockey because he says he wants to. He's playing the level of ice hockey he says because that's what he wants.
Scott:Like these are his wishes, not mine.
Jamie:But
Scott:then he also, you know, is like anyone else sometimes he doesn't want to do hard things. I get
Jamie:that. Because he takes the easy path. Most kids will take the easy path. It's always the path of least resistance.
Scott:Right.
Jamie:So life is the path of least resistance.
Scott:But here I am like adults being like totally, I don't know how hard to push on this kid. Listen, I honestly don't know how hard to push
Jamie:on them. I think it's healthy to push a little bit because these kids in my opinion, don't really know what they want. Right. Cause their brains are not developing.
Scott:Well, they say one thing, but then they, you know,
Jamie:do a totally different thing. Right. Right. So Dominic, Dominic, like most 12, 13 year old kids do. He w he did like this.
Jamie:He shadowed this one kid in a school we're looking at, on Monday. Yeah. And, and he was, he was like ripping pissed going there in the morning. He's a kind of,
Scott:I don't
Jamie:want do this. This is stupid. You know how this stupid sucks. Do I have to do this? This should be so boring.
Jamie:And I sat on the way there in the car. And I said to him, I go, you know what, Dominic? I go, you always do this. I go, I can guarantee you when I pick you up at 02:30, you're
Scott:going be like, oh, you know what, dad? It wasn't so bad. I actually kind liked it. Can we go tomorrow? Let me introduce you to Bobby.
Scott:He's my new best friend.
Jamie:So we did like a tour. He was there. We did a tour of like forty five minutes. I left. He stayed there the entire day, shadowed this kid at this school that he we're thinking about sending him to.
Jamie:Yeah. And he comes back and I go to I pick him up at 02:30 and he walks over to me. He goes,
Scott:You know what I'm gonna say, dad?
Jamie:I go, God, I gotta say it, Tom. He goes, It wasn't as bad as I thought. It was actually a lot of fun. I'm like, Oh, no shit. Right?
Scott:But it's always worse in
Jamie:your head. Always. Even for adults, right?
Scott:I'm talking about myself when I say that it's always worse in my head.
Jamie:No question. So I think some sort of you point a kid in a direction and just kind of like gently push. Listen, I don't think you should, there's definitely a point of no return where if you push too much, that's
Scott:a problem.
Jamie:Then the kids are to shut down for the most part.
Scott:And every kid's different and every family dynamic's different. And like, so Otto's my oldest, right? So, and even if he was not my oldest, every kid's different and honestly, struggle with this all the time and like, I push him to go get on the ice just to touch more? And I honest to God, I'm not even trying to say that I think he needs to be on the ice every day and I don't even want that like, blah, blah, blah. But when you talk and you hear and like this and that, and you see the Instagram and the different camps and the skills coaches and this, you're like, fuck, maybe he needs to do like a little more.
Scott:Maybe he needs to do a little more.
Jamie:So, you know, I think that maybe I'm wrong about this. It's just my opinion. It's a very rare kid at young ages, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12. It's very rare kid that is constantly saying to his parent, I want to go do, I want to skate. I want to go to this.
Jamie:Find me this, find me that that's a rare thing.
Scott:Okay.
Jamie:Especially when you have things like YouTube, Netflix, Instagram, playing outside my buddies, sitting on the couch, just doing anything. That's not something difficult.
Scott:Right.
Jamie:Right. You know, so I think it's a very rare kid that will ask for things that are
Scott:little hard.
Jamie:Right. Right. You know, so, you know, so I think it's okay to steer a kid and gently push.
Scott:Right.
Jamie:Because again, I don't think they know what they want.
Scott:All right. So here's the scenario. Right. So you tell me. Yeah.
Scott:Okay. So,
Jamie:and do you know what I noticed, Scott? And I mean, interrupt you, but I want to finish this thought. When they get older and they start to see the path start to show itself. Like Dominic said to me, said to me, he goes, cause he sees older kids that he's talking to and watching. Yeah.
Jamie:He sees that they are that they are they are they're getting drafted by, like, junior teams.
Scott:Right?
Jamie:So, you know, he he saw he's seeing that.
Scott:And going he wants that.
Jamie:And he's going, oh my god. Like, I want that. So I and he said to me the other day, he goes he goes he goes, mom, am I doing enough to get drafted into into like, you know, into like high level, like, like major juniors.
Scott:Right.
Jamie:You know, so, so all of a sudden the path is emerging for him and he's going, oh,
Scott:I need to do this.
Jamie:What am I doing? What do I need to do? Where am I in my development? So it's funny how you kind of like steer and gently push. Once as they're in it, I think stuff just kind of comes to light for them.
Jamie:If they really want it, they start to see, holy crap. These kids are getting drafted. Like this was the first year Dominic saw kids get drafted into juniors, older kids that he knows that are, you know, that are 02/2006 is right. Those kids that he was skating with. He's like, so he see and he was, and he was, he was with the coach, what, and the coach was watching the draft live on his, on his laptop.
Jamie:And he's like, what is that? And he told him and he's like, holy crap. And he saw that like 15 kids from New Jersey were drafted into like juniors and major juniors.
Scott:So
Jamie:it's starting to become a reality for him.
Scott:Right. Right? Like, it's like it's it's not not within reach for him, but he's like, he's more close. Right. He he knows someone or knows of someone that's like at that point
Jamie:in
Jamie:their
Scott:He
Jamie:does know somebody. Somebody from his school was drafted major juniors last year. Major, major juniors. Big time. Like London Knights big time.
Jamie:Like big time. Right. That's huge.
Scott:So getting back to the thing about pushing or not, right? Let's just even say, Otto, I need you, I need I think it's in your best interest if you're getting on the ice once a week to work on your edge work, skating, blah, blah, blah. I know it's not your favorite thing to do. You're not gonna touch too many pucks, but just do it. You need to do it if you wanna continue to keep up higher level skating skills.
Scott:Yep. Okay. Then Friday comes around. Alright, time to go. No, I'm not going.
Scott:What do you mean you're not going? I don't wanna go. No, you're fucking going. No, I'm being serious.
Jamie:I know you are. That's why I'm laughing.
Scott:So then it's like, okay, it's spring. So it's spring.
Jamie:They're like Jekyll and Hyde, dude. They change. No. I understand that. Just depends on what mood they're in.
Scott:So I'm just trying to gauge what level of crazy I need to drop on this kid. You know what I mean?
Jamie:The struggle's real. Just giggling the fact that you said crazy because of the title of our podcast. Listen, old company.
Scott:But here's the thing, right? I'm not gonna do the math in my head. But if you take one hour a week, that's an extra fifty two hours a year. Fifty two hours of skating work over the course of one year versus someone that's doing half of that or zero of that, you're in a much better spot, dude.
Jamie:You're gonna get no argument for
Scott:So when you think about it, like a macro level, which my kid's not thinking about it, he's just thinking like, I
Jamie:got I'm
Scott:a conference call with like I said conference call. I'm so fucking old.
Jamie:Are you trying to say like FaceTime? Is that what
Scott:you mean? FaceTime call.
Jamie:Whatever you do. Don't fucking Conference call? Conference call.
Scott:Like, conference you in line one, line two. Hit the conference button.
Jamie:Right? With the
Scott:curly whatever cord. Is right? No. He's on his goddamn watch. He's got, like, seven seventeen other, like, yo yos know.
Jamie:Trust me.
Scott:Playing Brawl Stars. Yo. I'm gonna cook. Stop selling. You're selling.
Scott:You're selling. I'm gonna cook. But anyway but, like, tear
Jamie:them yo yos.
Scott:To tear tear them away from that. It's, like, not the easiest
Jamie:thing. Listen.
Scott:And then do I wanna fight about it? So that was Is that a hill worth dying on every week? And then and then hold on. Last thing I'm gonna say and then
Jamie:I'll shut up.
Scott:But then it's like, you made a commitment, dude. You told me earlier this week, you made a commitment to me that you were gonna do that.
Jamie:And you should hold them to it. Just for life
Scott:skill Okay. Let's just play this out for a second. Four weeks in a row, you're having the same goddamn conversation. Keep having it. I mean, I hear it, but like
Jamie:Not an option. You committed to this. You're going to see it through no matter Yeah.
Scott:But then I also have to have that argument with you.
Jamie:Okay, fine. It's a life skill. So as a parent, you need to keep happy.
Scott:So I to have a parental life skill teaching me patience or perseverance or resilience.
Jamie:That's a whole other story. You're not wrong about that. Listen, do know how many times I tell my kid the same thing over and over and over and over and over. And you know, what's funny, Scott, when I get to like the hundred and fiftieth time, it starts to click. Now would I have liked to have done it one time and have him get it?
Jamie:Sure. But that's not life. Not for my child, least. Maybe some of you people out there have kids that get it in the first time and I'm jealous. That's just not my kid.
Scott:Yeah, man. Right? No. And so, you know, it'd be awesome and for, you know, everyone listening right now in all seriousness would love to hear like, you know, a great story, not great, it's not the right word, but love to hear a story or like, know, ways that you've dealt with it with your kids because honestly, this is something that didn't just start yesterday in terms of struggling with this stuff and it's certainly gonna continue. But I agree, the one thing I know for sure and I know for sure that at some point he's gonna come to his own realization of what he needs to do.
Scott:But the big but is between now and when he's mature enough to see that path, I don't want to fail him and miss out on all the hours. And I'm not talking about hours every week. Even if you just say one hour a week, like my man, you know, over the last five years Yeah. You could have done like what is that? Two hundred and fifty, two hundred sixty, seventy extra hours of skating.
Scott:Bro, that's a lot. If you that piece is where I'm struggling because I know it. Mean, I can't make them do anything now really.
Jamie:Yeah. You know, it's funny. We live in a super, like hyper competitive world. Not only do we live in a hyper competitive world, but the area we live in The United States is hyper competitive. Right?
Jamie:So for those of you that don't know, we live like right outside Manhattan, in North Jersey. It is super competitive, not only just athletics, but academics. I mean, many kids do you hear? You know, my kid's going to Duke, my kid's going to UNC, my kid's going to University of Michigan. Right.
Jamie:Everybody's trying to, I don't want say keep up with the Jones. That's not the word I'm looking for, but outdo, not outdo, but you want, you see other things that other people's kids are doing and it makes you want it for your child. Right. Whether you, whether it's right, wrong or indifferent. So, and listen, a lot of us are type A people.
Jamie:Right. And we want the best for our kids. Right. Yeah. We definitely do.
Scott:We don't have to be type A to want that,
Jamie:but no, no, but right. No, but we're super competitive. Right. So if you're a super competitive parent, you're going to try to push that onto your, your kid and have him be super competitive. Right.
Jamie:And again, just for life skills, because whether it's sports or business or academics or whatever it is, it's a good thing for them, you know, for their life to learn. Right. So, you know, it's interesting. And I think it kind of, I, so I think sports and academics are very similar in we try to push our kids. So, you know, we push our kids in sports a little bit.
Jamie:You know, cause we see that they have talent and we're trying to foster that talent a little bit. Right. Same thing with a really smart kid who, you know, the parents are hiring all these tutors and are sending him to engineering classes inside. Right. So it's, but my point is, is that our area, we are in a super competitive area
Scott:of
Jamie:The United States.
Scott:So just like you mentioned, like, like tutors and like non, like, let's say academics, for example, Otto was playing video games with one of his buddies in school. And I'm pretty sure I heard it correctly, but this kid over the weekend has at least three hours of tutoring over the weekend.
Jamie:Yeah. See?
Scott:And I think so Otto, you know, like, so he does extra stuff, but like nothing to that level.
Jamie:So we do skating, he does mathematics, he does science, he does engineering, he does
Scott:same you know what's interesting also is that like, when Otto talks about other kids in his class that are really bright or the one kid or the couple of kids that are doing high school algebra in fifth grade and I'm like, Otto, dude, he's like, they're so smart. I'm like, yeah, they're smart.
Jamie:They work at it too.
Scott:But they work hard at it. And you know, like, you want to achieve results, whether it's in like algebra or hockey, like, you gotta put it at the end of the day, you gotta put in the work. And like garbage garbage in garbage out.
Jamie:There's no question about it. And that's why sitting in front of fucking screens, playing video games drives me absolutely wild.
Scott:You you guys, your kids have, well, I know your older one's older, but how much screen time does Dom get during the week? Not a lot. Like, does is he allowed to watch TV?
Jamie:So he watches TV, but he watches TV with us and it's like, and he's gonna, and it's sports. We're watching the Yankees. We're watching hockey. We're watching, you know, we're watching college hockey. We're watching stuff.
Jamie:You know, I don't want him watching like cartoons.
Scott:Like sitcoms.
Jamie:Like I'm dumb with that stuff. I don't, it's just nonsense shit. Now,
Scott:you ever watched Bluey?
Jamie:The blue, the blue like dog.
Scott:Yeah. I know. I totally interrupt you, but Bluey is hysterical.
Jamie:Is he?
Scott:My daughter likes Bluey.
Jamie:I I don't I'm trying to think when my kids were young. It was like Jake and the Neverland Pirates. I'm trying to think what the hell else? The Neverland Pirates. I'm trying to think what else my kids watch.
Jamie:It was like that crap.
Scott:Anyway, so so Don watch sports like that.
Jamie:That's so now listen, that just recently, like he would, he would go on to like Netflix and he would get lost in like Sheldon or like, I don't know.
Scott:I'm trying to, what other like stuff it doesn't matter, but like non
Jamie:boss baby, know what mean? I think that there is some, I think some of that is appropriate for kids because my child does a lot of stuff throughout the day. If he gets his stuff done,
Scott:he can then he works for it.
Jamie:He does. He can then unwind.
Scott:He just doesn't get it.
Jamie:Correct. It just, he, he knows not to touch a screen, an iPad and nothing until
Scott:he's done. And you
Jamie:know what? And I have to say when he does go on the Xbox, he's playing NHL. So is it the worst thing in the world?
Scott:No. It could be way worse.
Jamie:It could be way worse. I don't let him play Fortnite. I don't know. He's not playing cold. He's not playing any of
Scott:that crap.
Jamie:I it's it's either sports games, which is what we did when we were kids. Was all sports games. More more or less. Right. Like all like Madden or like FIFA or like, I don't know, RBI baseball, whatever, whatever, whatever it was.
Jamie:Right. When we were younger. So, you know, so I want him to, I I'm trying to, I'm trying to limit the garbage, like you mentioned, you know what I mean?
Scott:Yeah, no, I totally agree. And I think that, screen time, it's hard to get them off of it. And so for us, is off limits during the week.
Jamie:Yeah, you guys are good like that. TV is off.
Scott:Otto gets like to go on his
Jamie:He doesn't watch the NHL with you guys.
Scott:No, so he does. But part of that was also because he was getting into bed earlier. We wanted him in bed earlier. So I wouldn't let him stay up just
Jamie:to watch Like what time is early? Like, a game that starts at seven, what time does he go to bed?
Scott:He's now now he's in bed by, like, let's say, like, nine. But, like, over the that's changed over the course of the last year. It would probably happen anyway, but our commute was further for hockey, so he was getting home later, so he was up later. But up until this year
Jamie:That'll change this year for you.
Scott:Yeah. No, for sure. But he was he was in bed by, like, you know, 08:00.
Jamie:Oh, okay.
Scott:And he was also getting up early. But anyway, I I think the screen time is something that we definitely try to limit, but he gets it in the form of video games. And that's like an hour, let's say an hour
Jamie:after I think a little bit
Scott:is fine. No, I totally agree. Can't be,
Jamie:They need to unwind a little bit. It can't, it can't all be not fun. Right. It needs, there needs to be a little bit of fun because then what the hell are you doing anything for?
Scott:No, I know.
Jamie:So there needs to be a little bit of unwind.
Scott:But the working for it is something that's becoming a bigger conversation in our household.
Jamie:Big
Scott:fan. And that like, if you're gonna, if you want this,
Jamie:you'll do this.
Scott:Yeah. You know,
Jamie:listen, it's like life. If you want something, you have to work for it.
Scott:Right.
Jamie:It's just a life skill. Right. You're just teaching it early, which is fine. That that's the idea. Listen, now parents' job is to mold their child and get them ready for adulthood.
Jamie:You're not supposed to be the best friend. You know, you're not supposed to be like their buddy. Like I tell Donald Cotam, like, dude, I'm like, I'm not your buddy. Like I'm not like, mom's not your buddy.
Scott:Like we can have sometimes we could call around
Jamie:no question about it. I love doing that, but at the end of the day, like it's our job to raise you and make you into a certain type of human being. So you will be an upstanding adult and carry yourself the right way and not embarrass your family name and stuff like that. Right? I mean, that's the idea of a parent, right?
Jamie:So like, and listen, sometimes that's sometimes you have to hard things as a parent. No, you know, it's not easy.
Scott:The harder way is usually the better way. A % of the time.
Jamie:Oh, I tell Dominic all the time. I said, Dominic, the harder way is always the right way. I said, if you're doing something easy, 99.999% of the time, it's the wrong way. Right. It's true.
Jamie:You know? All right. So listen, so you want to do a little NHL? We have, you yeah. I do a little NHL since we were just talking about like, you know, auto, you know, staying up and watching games because Dom, Dom does stay up and watch games.
Jamie:He doesn't stay up late, you know, but Dom will be in bed by like, I don't know, ten.
Scott:I mean, that's all like relative.
Jamie:Yeah. Yeah. He'll be bed by like ten, but, but we we do but he he's been he's been watching the playoffs. He has he definitely has been watching the
Scott:Dude, we
Jamie:we the cup playoffs.
Scott:We, we touched on the Leafs, womp, womp to the Leafs.
Jamie:Dude, I don't even know what to say. I don't know what to say.
Scott:You would have thought I so I turned the game on a little bit after it started and, you know, whatever it was zero zero.
Jamie:It was zero zero at the end of first period.
Scott:Yeah. And then and then it just totally unraveled.
Jamie:The wheels came off.
Scott:Yeah. Like, you know, it's it's The wheels came off, dude. I I I thought for sure like, look, both Florida and Toronto in that series had the like, in the beginning, it was Florida that was, like, nowhere to be found.
Jamie:First two games.
Scott:And then Toronto was nowhere to be found. But so you I would have thought they they they would have both We're no both teams were gonna show up, and it's gonna be a dogfight.
Jamie:Jeez. Would have thought game seven would have been, like, an epic battle.
Scott:Yep.
Jamie:And listen, Babrowski came up huge on a bunch of breakaways early. Obviously,
Scott:I'm not They definitely had chances. There were chances that were not capitalized on it, and the Leafs yeah. There yeah. The Leafs had chances.
Jamie:Yes. They
Scott:They had buried pucks earlier.
Jamie:It would have been a different game.
Scott:A %.
Jamie:Yeah. And listen, Babrovsky was a different goalie than he was in games one and two. Right. For whatever reason.
Scott:Yeah. What happened?
Jamie:Just totally different, you know, just looked like a different guy.
Scott:So now they got tonight. Game it's on now.
Jamie:You wanna hear the score?
Scott:Okay. Sure. Fine.
Jamie:What do think? Well, what do you think the score is? It's in Carolina.
Scott:In Carolina? I think the Panthers are up two nothing.
Jamie:Oh my God. Close. Three one Panthers.
Scott:Okay. So yeah, by two
Jamie:with, thirteen minutes left in the second period. See, I think
Scott:I feel bullish on Florida going to the finals Listen,
Jamie:this is all going to come down to, in my opinion, goaltending. Yeah. And I think
Scott:it's Bob's hot. Like, they yeah. They don't have the firepower.
Jamie:Don't think so either. Don't think so either.
Scott:So so now
Jamie:Just look look at Florida's third line, dude. Dude. Is Brad Marchand not an absolute animal?
Scott:Dude, I I mean, he he like Even like
Jamie:Seth Jones were the best two players on the ice last night.
Scott:I know Seth Jones. Right? God.
Jamie:Can you Or two nights ago.
Scott:He he leaves Chicago, and he's on Florida now. Like,
Jamie:wow. Wow. Wow. I mean, I was listening to an interview with Matthew KaChuck today on spitting Chiclets. He's got five more years left on his deal.
Jamie:His Chicago deal's five more years.
Scott:Wow.
Jamie:So he's got these five more years in Florida.
Scott:Amazing.
Jamie:They gotta resign Marshang too.
Scott:Yo, listen, he's producing man.
Jamie:Is that not one of the best third lines in the league right now?
Scott:He was playing first line in Boston. Yeah. Right? Yeah. I mean, think about that also for like an aging star to like have that pressure like off of them.
Scott:I'm not saying that he's usually welcomes going down to the third line, but I have to believe his hockey has got to be Again, different responsibilities being on the third line than the first line, no doubt. But the fact that you have someone with such offensive, like, prowess on the third line, like, Jesus.
Jamie:Kochuck was singing his praises.
Scott:Heaven's Scepter. They all must be. I I mean, Jesus.
Jamie:To add two dudes like that, the dead And
Scott:then they're the ones that are showing up, and then you got someone you got, like, Austin Matthews and Mitch Marner who are, like, crickets.
Jamie:All making more money than all of the guys we just named.
Scott:But like, who knows? Maybe just the fact that like, you know, Marchand's on, okay, like he's a proven like, you know, all star stud. Yeah. But like, you know, like you have, I would imagine there's, it's a little easier mentally when you're not on the first line and you're looked at as like the, like someone that needs to be the man.
Jamie:Probably, yeah, probably not, you know, he probably is, is it doesn't have a lot of pressure.
Scott:He puts it, I'm sure he puts a ton of pressure on himself.
Jamie:No doubt. Not as much as being like the captain, you know, because he was the captain in Boston. Right. I mean, when, when Bergeron left, he was the guy. Yeah.
Jamie:You know, so, but listen, I mean, he fitted, he has fit in wonderfully.
Scott:So, so who'd you like going to, the finals in the East?
Jamie:I have our picks that we made a couple of weeks ago on whatever episode that was. I had Florida going to the, Stanley cup finals. I still think they're going.
Scott:Yeah. So I had a,
Jamie:I do not think the Carolina Carolina hurricane gonna beat them.
Scott:I had Toronto.
Jamie:You had Toronto. Colorado. Yes. I had Florida, Colorado.
Scott:Now I've got neither.
Jamie:Right. But alright. So of so who do you think is coming out of Dallas and Edmonton? I know who you're
Scott:gonna pick. I
Jamie:think Dallas is coming out.
Scott:You know. You know. You know.
Jamie:Again, goaltending. You know. Goaltending.
Scott:You know. So I I didn't think that the Oilers were gonna have it to get past Vegas. I thought, like, they would have a hard go against the Kings, which they did, which I'm serious. No. I know.
Scott:And so so I don't know I don't know why, but it wasn't. Dallas is gonna be a much different opponent. I mean, I think the fact that Auskinen's back, Robertson's back, the ranting in's like
Jamie:On fire?
Scott:A little stud.
Jamie:That dude is a wagon. He's on a mission, bud.
Scott:A mission.
Jamie:A mission. He's basically getting the big middle finger That serious
Scott:is gonna be
Jamie:To the avalanche.
Scott:Gonna be gross.
Jamie:If they can somehow contain, could not stop a contain dry Seidl and McDavid, the goaltending matchup in my opinion is a very big difference.
Scott:Yeah. So at this point, I honestly don't know who's gonna make it through. What I'd like to see at this point, I would like to see a rematch of last year's Stanley Cup final.
Jamie:So Dominic said at the beginning of the playoffs, dad, I think you're gonna get a Florida Edmonton rematch in the Stanley Cup finals.
Scott:And here it goes.
Jamie:So he said it to me this morning. He's like, he's like, I told you. He's like, it's coming.
Scott:Told you.
Jamie:Listen, he's not he's not far off it. If if if it happens, I will give him a lot of credit, but he's not far off it right now.
Scott:I think Although I don't
Jamie:think Edmonton's gonna be Dallas. Just my opinion.
Scott:All right. Well, time is gonna tell. We're gonna find out.
Jamie:We are definitely gonna find out.
Scott:All right, dude.
Jamie:But yeah. All right. So that's it for this episode.
Scott:That was a good one.
Jamie:Yes. We really appreciate everybody that's listening. Shout out to we just, we added a new, no states, no countries. We added a Canadian province, Manitoba. Manitoba.
Jamie:Has been added.
Scott:Let's go.
Jamie:So now we're in six of 10.
Scott:I think we did last week, if I'm not mistaken.
Jamie:Did we? Did we drop Manitoba last week?
Scott:Maybe. I
Jamie:think so. Well, there you go.
Scott:Either way, I'm gonna
Jamie:keep you a mess.
Scott:Still love
Jamie:I Yeah, it is. It's awesome.
Scott:But listen, anyone out there would love to hear your stories, you know, any FOMO, any uncertainty about how hard to push.
Jamie:Yeah. Reach out to us all
Scott:the would love to, honestly love to hear.
Jamie:Direct message us like Kirk from Ontario, you know, really appreciate him listening. Really appreciate him reaching out. Thank you again so much, you know, you know, subscribe, share the show, keep listening, episode 10 and stop episode fifty Eleven. Coming soon. Alright.
Jamie:Thank you, everybody. See you.