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In this episode of The Work of Warriors, Kim Rapach sits down with Bev Moser, a respected leader in the Nashville music industry with more than 30 years of experience supporting artists, building careers, and navigating the realities of entertainment.
Bev shares powerful lessons she has learned throughout her career, including what artists need to know about resilience, identity, success, disappointment, and mental wellness in an industry that can be both exciting and deeply demanding.
This conversation explores the highs and lows of the music business, the importance of normalizing mental health conversations, and why artists need support systems that remind them their life is bigger than their career.
Bev offers honest wisdom for artists, creatives, managers, and anyone working in the entertainment industry who wants to build a sustainable career without losing themselves in the process.
Topics include:
- Mental wellness for artists
- Resilience in the music industry
- Artist management and industry lessons
- Navigating career wins and disappointments
- Normalizing mental health conversations
- Practical tools for staying grounded as a creative
- Why your life continues beyond your career
If you are an artist, creative, performer, manager, or industry professional, this episode is a reminder that success matters, but your mental health matters more.
Together, we are creating a healthier entertainment industry, one brave conversation at a time.
Guest: Bev Moser
Host: Kim Rapach
Podcast: The Work of Warriors
Host: Kim Rapach
Podcast: The Work of Warriors
Chapters:
00:00 Introduction to Bev Moser and Her Roles in the Industry
09:44 Bev’s Journey in the Entertainment Industry
16:59 Wins and Lessons Learned in the Industry
25:11 Mental Wellness in the Music Industry
28:26 Preparing Artists for the Industry’s Ups and Downs
32:42 Breaking the Stigma: Mental Health in the Music Industry
37:28 Finding Balance: Personal Strategies for Mental Wellness
42:19 The Importance of Normalizing Mental Health Conversations
48:28 Encouraging Open Dialogue: Talking About Mental Health
54:42 The Ripple Effect: Kindness and Connections in the Industry
Keywords: mental wellness, music industry, artist mental health, resilience, industry lessons, artist management, Nashville, artist success, mental health normalization, creative mental health
Creators and Guests
Guest
Bev Moser
Bev Moser, a well-respected industry vet for over 24 years, has worked with a vast array of Nashville’s well-known artists and events. Her firm, B! Noticed Public Relations & Artist Management, offers a wide range of professional public relations services that enable her to create an individual package that best suits the needs of clients, identifying the specific needs of each client in order to connect with their target audience. Her goal in business is to help clients promote a successful future.
What is The Work of Warriors?
Success shouldn't cost you your peace.
Welcome to The Work of Warriors, the mental health podcast for artists, entertainers, creatives, entrepreneurs, and high performers who want to build extraordinary lives without sacrificing themselves in the process.
Hosted by former therapist and nervous system strategist Kim Rapach, this podcast explores the intersection of mental health, nervous system regulation, creativity, leadership, and sustainable success. Through honest conversations with actors, musicians, comedians, producers, executives, entrepreneurs, and other industry leaders, you'll discover what it really takes to thrive both personally and professionally.
Together, we're changing the conversation around mental wellness in the entertainment industry by:
• Normalizing honest conversations about mental health
• Teaching practical tools for nervous system regulation and emotional resilience
• Redefining success to include well-being, healthy boundaries, and authentic leadership
Whether you're navigating burnout, anxiety, creative pressure, trauma, or simply searching for a healthier way to succeed, you'll find practical insights, inspiring stories, and meaningful conversations designed to help you build a life you don't have to recover from.
Because when artists are well, everybody wins.
Thank you for being part of this movement. Together, we're creating a healthier entertainment industry, one brave conversation at a time.
Bev Moser (00:04.632)
Hello there.
Kim Rapach (00:06.414)
Hello. Hi Bev, I'm good.
Bev Moser (00:07.556)
How are you?
Well good.
Kim Rapach (00:13.314)
How are you doing? Good. I would imagine every day is busy.
Bev Moser (00:14.052)
I'm good. It's been a busy day, but I'm good.
Bev Moser (00:19.864)
You know, it varies. Some days you're like, woo, everything is smooth. You have no interrupted phone calls or meetings or anything. And then today has not gone on schedule at all. Other than this.
Kim Rapach (00:35.566)
Well, thank you for being here and I'm glad that this is working out for both of us.
Bev Moser (00:39.652)
I agree.
Kim Rapach (00:42.67)
It means a lot that you're here. I met you through one of your clients that I just happened to meet when I was in Nashville on Broadway. And so, you know, that person was like, you know, contact my publicist and my manager Bev, and here we are.
Bev Moser (00:51.395)
Yeah.
Bev Moser (00:58.468)
Here we are.
Kim Rapach (01:00.278)
Whenever I invite artists to be on the podcast, I always extend an invitation to their industry professionals, whether it's their manager or their publicist. It sounds like maybe you fulfill both of those roles. OK, well, I would love to just hear more about what your roles are in the industry.
Bev Moser (01:12.556)
I I wear a lot of hats for that particular artist. Yes. Yes.
Bev Moser (01:22.348)
Okay. Industry wise, mean, if you look at my website, it says booking PR and artist management. So those are the three key things that I do.
But within each of those, there's a million subtitles. So if I'm working for management with an artist, it may mean going on the road with them. may mean doing their tour, scheduling everything and advancing all the shows. It might be doing all of their interviews while they're out on the road. There's a million things that go on with that. So my days are never, ever alike. I don't think I've ever had two days alike in my life, but I like it that way. know, lot of variety.
a lot of reasons to challenge myself every single day, trying to learn new stuff, keep up with all the new technologies and AI and you name it.
Kim Rapach (02:17.166)
Sure, that was gonna be my next question is do you like it that way with the days, you know, never being the same? I know I work the same. I love, what am I walking into now?
Bev Moser (02:23.48)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I've had jobs where every day is the same thing. You're doing accounting or you're doing whatever you're doing. And after a while, you kind of get bored with yourself because you can do it in your sleep.
I enjoy the challenge of waking up and looking at the calendar to go, ooh, today's a roller skate day. We got a lot going on. And then there's days that I can pace myself and not have to feel rushed and do some other things to learn things or whatever it might be. You know, look for new clients to do interviews, look for new venues for my artists, whatever it might be.
Kim Rapach (02:59.374)
Sure, fun. How long have you been in the entertainment industry?
Bev Moser (03:02.468)
30 plus years, a long time. Yeah, when I started my career, I was living in Nebraska and I used to come to Nashville and go to fanfare. I don't know if you're familiar with that. It's now CMA Fest.
Kim Rapach (03:04.929)
Okay.
Bev Moser (03:21.058)
But me and my girlfriends would all that was our mom's week. We would come to Nashville and it's a big festival where you have opportunities to meet artists and to listen to tons of music and go to fan club parties and just all different kinds of things involving the music industry and country music. And my little local radio station found out about it and called me one day and said, hey, we hear you're going to Nashville and you've been there for like six, seven years and you know some people there. And can you tell us what
you're doing and
Of course I said yes, and I loved every second of it. And on the last day, they called and well, I guess when I called in, they said, when you get back home, we have a job for you. I said, listen, I've got three little kids. We own our own business and I don't have time for anything else. I said, this was my one week to get away. So I said, after that, it's back to working for me. But I went into the station, took them a bunch of autographed.
posters and different things that I had gotten and said, here, thank you. Give these as radio giveaways. I don't collect them. I got them for you. Thank you for the opportunity. They're like, no, no, no, no, no. We really are serious. We want to hire you. And I'm like, I have zero time. And I said, oh, you can voice track it. We'll teach you how to do it. And no one will know you're not on the air. I'm like.
Well, it kind of sounds fun, but I've never been a radio person. I don't know how to talk. I don't know how to do any of that. And said, we can teach you. So they did. They taught me how to, what buttons to push, how to talk to an empty room. Cause you're sitting in the radio station by yourself, pretending to talk to thousands of listeners. And I loved it. And I was doing like a night shift. So I would go in after I put the kids to bed and I could record
Kim Rapach (04:45.057)
you
Bev Moser (05:12.868)
weeks worth of shows, be home by midnight, still get up early in the morning, take him to school. And then the morning co-host broke her knee. And they said, we know you don't have time, but would you fill in just until she's back on her feet? Literally? I said, of course. So I did. Well, guess what? She never came back. So I ended up being a morning co-host, fell into that. And for seven years, I loved it. And then
my marriage kind of fell apart, I decided to move to Nashville because music has just always been my thing and I thought I would just find another radio job but they don't work that way in Nashville.
I had no formal training. I just fell into it. But I had met a lot of fans through my radio job. And that's why I really wanted to move to Nashville because I had met so many people. They came through our local fairs and the radio station hosted it. So they just kept calling me and saying, hey, there's a concert tonight. We have extra tickets or there's a CD release party or there's a number one party. Come hang with us. Free food, free drinks. So of course I went and there was a photographer there.
every show, same person, and he had the same camera that I had that I did as a hobby. And so I
had a conversation with him and was like, what do do at all these shows? I keep seeing you, you know, what are you what are you doing with these pictures? Because they don't let fans in these parties. And he said, I own a magazine, I'm from Atlanta. And I'm like, you're driving from Atlanta to Nashville, like four or five times a week, because that's how often I was going to events. And he's like, Yep, it's my magazine, somebody's got to do it. And I'm like, I have that same camera, I can do this for you. And he's like, Well, I can't pay you, I don't have enough money in a budget to
Bev Moser (07:02.608)
hire you. I'm like, wasn't asking for a job. I'm just being nice. And so he said, well, send me some samples of things that you've taken. And maybe I can help you. So I did. And he wrote back instantly says, my God, you're really good. And so he started hiring me and paying me a little bit to get into some other things. And literally within three, four months, I had labels, managers, publicists calling me saying, we've seen your stuff published in this magazine.
What would you charge to be our official event photographer when we do events? And I had zero clue that was even a job. I was very naive and I had to learn by baptism by fire. Who really wanted to charge and who did not? Who wanted to pay me and who did not? And.
it just fell into place. So for 17 years, I was a professional photographer because I was getting paid. So it just kind of kept falling into place. And then I started working with another entity while I was still doing full-time photography. They were putting together, it was kind of like a MySpace for country music artists, but they were well ahead of their time and they did not have the technology that they could have.
and they started putting together showcases where we would bring in like five artists that were on the rise and then one artist that had had a lot of big success that maybe was not an A-list artist that you hear on the radio every day.
and that person would then mentor these up and coming in the green room and talk to them and teach them some stuff. And this entity did not have a publicist or anybody to publicize what we were doing. So I wrote up a little thing and sent it to my friends that I had met through the industry and said, hey, we're doing this. It's a free show, come on out.
Bev Moser (09:04.472)
that kind of led me into being a publicist. mean, so one thing after another is how I fell into my job and management came naturally because some of the artists I was doing PR for needed management badly. So I understood enough of the industry at that time to help them out. And now I've been doing that for 11 years. So everything just keeps falling into place for me. I don't know why, but it does.
Kim Rapach (09:29.422)
I feel like that's how it's supposed to be, right?
Bev Moser (09:31.989)
Sorry, I turned the volume down because my computer was beeping. Hang on a second. Now I can hear you.
Kim Rapach (09:36.619)
Okay.
Kim Rapach (09:39.948)
I was just gonna say, I feel like that's how it's supposed to be.
Bev Moser (09:42.506)
It is. think you're right. I think you're right. And I think that, you know, you can go to college and get a degree for a lot of things and so many people don't even use it. They do what they love. Yeah, they find a job that they love and they grow into it. And it's like you said, especially now with AI. You can learn anything. So it's, it's changed. Everything changes all the time. But I love what I do. Yeah.
Kim Rapach (09:52.942)
Sure, especially now.
Kim Rapach (10:05.1)
Yeah.
Kim Rapach (10:09.262)
Sure. Yeah, that's amazing. So what have been some of your, what you would consider wins in the industry?
Bev Moser (10:13.732)
Thank
Bev Moser (10:18.4)
man, I've had a lot. I was working for a Grand Ole Opry icon and we placed her, we had so many things that we got her awards for. She got to be on the CMAs when she was 83 years old. Yep, Jeannie Seely. I've been involved in a lot of fundraisers.
Kim Rapach (10:33.262)
It's a genie.
Amazing.
Bev Moser (10:42.756)
where we bring in artists to raise money for different causes. Jeannie had one that we did that we did year after year. I had another client who had gotten cancer and we raised over $350,000 to help pay for his cancer bills. And we had that particular artist was a 90s artist. And so we brought in all the 90s artists for that. I mean, we had everything from
Tracy Lawrence to Garth Brooks to Vince Gill to, I mean, you name it. We had 27 artists that came in and helped us. It was the funnest night ever. I mean, we were still getting phone calls at three in the morning going, I can't believe you did that. Yeah, so we've had a lot of those kinds of moments where, and I won an Emmy. I was part of a producer for a.
Kim Rapach (11:19.114)
love that. What a beautiful win.
Kim Rapach (11:26.764)
What a beautiful win.
Bev Moser (11:36.226)
for a documentary for exile for one of my clients. So, and that was very unexpected. I did not submit to try and win that, but.
the people that did the actual documentary. I just provided all the stuff for it. But since I was part of the team, I got an M.E.I. So there's lots of things that happen. But and usually I don't like to be in the front. I'm behind my clients. I'm the one that gets them things. I'm not out there for myself. So.
Kim Rapach (11:57.208)
What?
Kim Rapach (12:08.962)
That's incredible. Yeah, a lot of people will, you know, who are representing artists, they'll say, no, we'll just let the artists come to the podcast. I'm good. I'll stay back here. So I was so excited when you said yes.
Bev Moser (12:10.564)
Thank
Bev Moser (12:17.656)
yeah, yeah, I don't do very many. Every once in a while I'm like, yeah, I'll do one, but it's not my nature to do a lot of them, but I enjoy it. I mean, probably because I was on radio. So, you know, I don't mind getting behind the mic now and then and talking again.
Kim Rapach (12:27.758)
Hmm.
Yeah.
Kim Rapach (12:35.496)
I appreciate that. What made you say yes to this one?
Bev Moser (12:38.244)
Mental wellness is a very close subject for Allie and I. She's very passionate about it. So because I've put her on so many different arenas for that, whether it's speaking live to audiences or doing podcasts, I've learned a lot about it. And so I just felt like this one was a good one to jump into because the music industry as a whole.
has a lot of mental issues. There's a lot of pressure on artists. And I think the more we can get the word out about that, the better. So that's kind of why I said yes to you. Thank you.
Kim Rapach (13:14.412)
Yeah. Thank you. I'm glad you're here. So you talked about, we're going to come back to mental wellness, but you've talked about, you know, some of your wins and you've had some beautiful ones. The next question I have is what have been your biggest lessons in the industry?
Bev Moser (13:25.113)
Mm-hmm.
Bev Moser (13:33.828)
Who do you trust? That's the biggest. Recently had a situation that I've had two of them recently, but one of them was a real big impact of working with a client and I'm not going to name names, but I was both their manager and their publicist for many years. throughout the process,
Kim Rapach (13:37.006)
Bev Moser (14:02.468)
the client was ill and it was we knew the end was coming another person that had been working with them had been appointed to be their you know their
point of contact for everything after they passed away and their legal stuff. But there were more than just that one person that had been appointed and took it upon themselves to let me know that I was no longer needed even though they hadn't passed away yet. And it turned into quite a drama, not because I was creating the drama, but they were. And I'm not a drama person at all. So.
It was very hard for me to deal with that. Not only was I losing somebody, I was under a lot of pressure and I sometimes felt like I had to justify things, which I shouldn't have had to justify anything, but that was one situation that it took me a long time to kind of come out of that one. The other.
Kim Rapach (15:05.582)
That's such a compound loss.
Bev Moser (15:07.619)
It was a lot. like I said, I don't want to go into too deeply, there was a lot of there's still a lot going on with that, not so much with me, but with other people that the same person is doing things to and trying to rile up things that don't need to be that it's not benefiting anybody, including themselves. But and recently I had someone that I was working with doing some PR and I'm a nice person. I will go an extra mile for anybody.
even if it's not in my realm of work, I'll do things. And it was my own fault for agreeing to do it for less than my normal charge. But I did because I liked them and their music was good. And then, of course, I did a lot of favors, which I shouldn't have done, and helped them in other areas. And then they decided not to pay me.
So those kind of things don't sit well with you when it happens. So that adds a lot of stress when you're, know, A, you know, you're not getting paid what you should be in the first place, but you're doing it out of the love for the person and their music. And then they turn around and they short, you know, they just don't decide that, they're just not going to pay you. And so those are lessons that you learn and
it'll never happen again with me because now I will never do that, you know, but it affects everything when that happens. Then you're like, well, I'm not going out of my way for anybody anymore, which that's not my character at all. It's, know, I'm going to help anybody that needs it. It is, yeah, it is. And there's it was funny because I posted on my socials one day.
Kim Rapach (16:43.372)
Yeah, such a common, that is such a common theme. It really is, sadly.
Bev Moser (16:52.74)
I had seen a quote that someone else had put out about similar to both of those stories about how I never want to go through that again. And I was not putting up there referencing either one of those instances. just hit home with me when I saw it. I'm like, yep, been through some stuff I don't want to ever go through again. That's all I was doing. I had like 300 people messaging me and texting me and posting on my socials. Are you okay? What happened?
And I'm like, I just like the quote. But people care. And then of course, they were sharing their stories. I had this happen. had so it's very common. And it causes a lot of stress and a lot of mental wellness issues and all of the things that go with it. So I know it's not just me. And that kind of helped me push past it as well, knowing that there was somebody else, know, personal people that I knew. So
Kim Rapach (17:45.422)
Sure. Yeah. Well, I'm sorry that that happened. And I'm sad that it's so common.
Bev Moser (17:51.205)
Yeah, we are too. And that's why, like I said, I'm really, we're trying to get the word out, especially with Allie and let people know it's okay to talk about stuff. You know, there's other people that can help you through it and people that can help you not go through it again. yeah.
Kim Rapach (18:12.249)
Right.
Right, and you know, just like you said, you know, it's those lessons that teach you, right? We all know that and you know, I think the world is pretty much in consensus over that. But when it comes to mental health, what I think is so important is the normalizing of the human experience, where so often people's human experiences get them labeled with a diagnosis or, know, and even though it's 2026 and we're,
Bev Moser (18:16.899)
Mm-hmm.
Bev Moser (18:31.62)
Mm-hmm.
Kim Rapach (18:43.506)
opening up and we're, you know, we're opening up the conversation, there's still a stigma. There's still a fear. And then when you're in the public, it's, you know, tenfold, if not a thousandfold. And so
Bev Moser (18:47.318)
Of course there is.
Bev Moser (18:55.129)
Yep.
Kim Rapach (18:57.268)
that's the whole point of this podcast is to normalize the conversation around just how normal it is to have human emotions based on your human experiences. And I was just thinking about this this morning, like, people who have endured and not that not that everyone who has painful emotions has endured, you know, complex trauma or anything, but people who have endured the most end up with the diagnosis, right? When it's
Bev Moser (19:08.932)
Right.
Kim Rapach (19:27.162)
just their nervous system responding to whatever event or events or series of events that have happened, which is so normal. Our nervous system is designed to protect us and to tell us, don't trust people like that. You know, it's just so human and it's rooted in science. And so yeah, it's like you, it's just my passion to open up these conversations and not only say it's okay to talk about it, but like it's necessary.
Bev Moser (19:56.493)
It is, it really is.
you know, I think everybody, I hope everybody has a circle of friends, people that are close, whether it's family or coworkers or whatever it might be, just friends that you can talk about it with them and they're not going to judge you on it. And that you can, you know, you can cry if you need to or scream or throw something, get it out there because that really helped, especially for me when I could vocalize and, you know, go, where did this come from? And why did it?
why me? And just get all those feelings out and sort through everything. You know, it's kind of like folding a basket of clean socks out of the dryer. It's like, can everything put back together again and organize? Because I don't like it that I don't like everything. Not that way.
Kim Rapach (20:47.342)
Sure. Do you want to talk a little bit about your mental health journey, whatever you feel would be helpful to share?
Bev Moser (20:53.251)
Sure, mean, overall, mine has been pretty much on the upside. I have not had a lot of experiences of stress. I mean, I've been through a divorce, but it was pretty amicable. I mean, we are still friends and, you know, if we have family get togethers, Christmases or whatever, we're all still together and we're fine. So I am not the norm when it comes to that.
So I don't, I mean, yeah, it was stressful going through it, but once we realized it was the right thing and we're still all good, it really was peachy keen compared to a lot of people that go through a lot.
But other than that, mean, we all have things, day-to-day things. Last week we had an ice storm and I was stuck at home for two weeks because I had five inches of ice on my driveway. But for me, it's like good, I gotta stay home till it thaws. I have nowhere I have to be. So all in all, I feel like I'm at the top of being able to really handle the mental health stuff. I don't get stressed out about a lot of things.
Kim Rapach (21:52.11)
You
Bev Moser (22:07.815)
I don't let things worry me. I'm lucky in that one. I don't think I'm hiding them. I don't think I'm just covering stuff up because really I just don't. I had a weird situation last week. I walk a lot. I try and get in 10,000 steps a day, which is a lot, but I was at our local rec center walking and our rec center happens to have, it's a circle track and.
One day you walk to your left, the next day you walk to your right, just to even out your body and your everything, I don't know. And there were some young girls up there, probably between ages 10 and 12. And they were not walking. They were playing tag or doing stuff they shouldn't have even been up there doing. No supervision.
And after about a half hour, I kind of had had enough of them because they were in everybody's way. So I stopped one of them and said, listen, there's an arrow over there by the door. It shows you what way everybody's supposed to walk today. So nobody gets hurt. And I said, you guys are running and yelling and you need to slow down and just learn. You have to walk. But if you're going to run, at least go in the right direction. That's all I said. didn't.
touch the kid. I didn't scream at the kid. I didn't go to the front desk and tattle on them and say these kids need to go. I just kept walking. Well, it wasn't long and all of a sudden a parent comes in accusing me of touching her child and doing more things than I did. And I said, listen, I'm not going to get into this with you. I did nothing wrong. There are cameras all over our track.
asked the front desk to look at the cameras. You can see it. I said, I'm going to keep walking. I hope your day is great. And I just kept on walking. And I didn't let it bother me. I just went on. I didn't stress about it. Although I told my daughter, I said that I did kind of expect for them to all be outside waiting for me when I got done. Because they were not really very nice about the way they were handling it. But that's this day and age.
Kim Rapach (24:14.7)
Yeah.
Bev Moser (24:16.677)
everybody's drama, everybody's gotta make a point, you know, and I don't know, maybe my name in pictures on social somewhere, it says I'm a bad person now, but I know I'm not, so. But you know, that's just another simple thing that it occurs in our daily lives, that it could have caused a lot of mental stress to me, you know, I could have worried about it for a week, but I don't let it get to me, so.
Kim Rapach (24:29.876)
Right, right.
Kim Rapach (24:44.118)
Yeah, well, and you saying like, you said everybody, you know, is just into drama, I think everybody's dysregulated.
Bev Moser (24:51.685)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Kim Rapach (24:52.886)
I think people are so dysregulated and so out of touch with themselves and they're just spewing sideways. And you can see the difference in your interaction where you were able to stay grounded, steadfast, honest, rooted in your integrity and your values. And then somebody who's not actually starts to make things up. I see this a lot. People will make up stories that are convenient to their narrative.
Bev Moser (25:01.399)
I agree. Absolutely.
Bev Moser (25:17.838)
Yeah.
Kim Rapach (25:22.8)
and they're really not even aware that they're doing it. They're so out of touch with themselves.
Bev Moser (25:27.013)
Yeah, yeah, I blame a lot of it on, you know, video games, social media, all of these outside things that people are hiding behind their screens, and they don't understand what real life stuff is. They never had to go outside and play in the dirt or play outside or do anything. They're just entertained by whatever they have in their hands or in front of them on a computer screen. And
Today's parents are not, don't, mine were not mean parents by any mean, but they were strict enough that we knew if we stepped over a line. I don't see that with today's parents. They make up excuses for, I see it with my grandkids in their schools. I see it in the sports and my kids would never got away with that.
I would have made him sit down next to me the whole time for the rest of the game. Like, nope, you don't get to play now. You can sit here until everything is done. But today's parents make up excuses and it's just going to snowball until people realize that we got to kind of come back to some normalcy on that.
Kim Rapach (26:17.71)
Sure.
Kim Rapach (26:34.67)
Yeah, and you know, part of being regulated and self aware is knowing your values. And if you ask somebody who behaves that way in public, is it your value to not have to deal with your feelings to be able to tell people off whenever you want to be able to spew your stuff? Most people would say, well, no, but it's like, well, but your behaviors would say otherwise.
Bev Moser (26:39.78)
Mm-hmm.
Bev Moser (26:56.614)
Correct, correct. And they don't want to have that conversation in the first place. You know, they're not comfortable with it. They would rather cause a scene and blow up your name on social media and text all their friends and say, don't ever talk to this person, blah, blah, blah, or take pictures of you and post it places. It's just ridiculous how everything has blown up that way.
Kim Rapach (27:19.906)
Yeah, I have a lot of compassion for kids who are being raised in this world because I wouldn't want it. I'm so grateful that social media didn't exist when I was a kid, especially a teenager. Yeah. Okay, so about mental wellness, what?
Bev Moser (27:24.739)
No.
Bev Moser (27:28.45)
Me too. Me too. Yeah, me too. Yeah.
Kim Rapach (27:39.08)
specifically makes you so passionate because you're not only like lots of people say that they're passionate about it but they're not really doing anything about it whether you know it's with themselves or with the artists that they represent they say it but there's not a lot of action and you actually take action and so that's you know what I respect the most but what drives your passion for mental wellness for artists
Bev Moser (27:56.549)
Right.
Bev Moser (28:05.635)
I think because I've seen it from a lot of sides, you know, I've seen it from really everything that I explained to you how I started a radio and did everything moving up. So I've seen it from the artist's perspective of trying to get that number one song or get their recognition, whatever it may be, whatever their goals are.
And I've seen it from the industry side, whether you're a label head or you're a publicist or you're a manager, and they get stressed out because they can't get their artist on these interviews or on their publications or on a stage or whatever it might be. So there's so many different levels and so many different ways that people get really stressed out and start having mental issues. And then you bring in the drugs and the alcohol and then it's a whole different story.
So there's just a lot of, and in our industry, people go up and down really quickly. You may be successful and have a great two or one year and the next year have nothing. You know, same with your songs. You may have a number one with a song and then you can't get the next one to get radio airplay.
And there's no rhyme or reason for it. It's just how our industry works because there's so many people competing for the same things. And one artist may take it very well and the next one, they're ready to throw in the towel. They can't handle it. So seeing all that from so many angles and being around people experiencing it all the time.
I sometimes I feel like I am a therapist talking them off the ledge going, no, this is a one time thing. You're still doing fine. Your numbers are fine. We just need to move to the next one and figure out what the new plan is, whatever it is that we need to talk about. But we're just around it a lot in this industry. It's kind of its own unique little animal, if you will.
Kim Rapach (29:59.736)
Sure.
Kim Rapach (30:05.002)
Absolutely. Would you say that artists are well prepared for that up and down? Where does that need to start? Because it is so normal and it's again, it's exacerbated in the music industry. It's in the entire entertainment industry and it spreads, you know, to all industries. But the music industry is so, you know, so unique.
Bev Moser (30:08.021)
Absolutely not. No.
Bev Moser (30:14.233)
Thank
Bev Moser (30:22.799)
Cut to the chase, yeah.
Bev Moser (30:28.537)
Right.
Kim Rapach (30:29.26)
Right? How do we prepare? And I know you can, you can tell somebody something and until they experience it, they won't necessarily believe it, but how do we help artists, young artists, new artists who's just started, who are just starting out, how do we prepare them and say, this is likely going to happen. And even if you run strong for six months, it could shift to nothing. There is no rhyme or reason. And we have to prepare you and we have to prepare your nervous system for that because it
Bev Moser (30:50.98)
Mm-hmm.
Bev Moser (30:57.893)
Yeah.
Kim Rapach (30:59.404)
You have to have the capacity to ride those highs and lows if you're going to sustain yourself in the long run. Where do we start and who does that? What can we do?
Bev Moser (31:07.127)
Absolutely. I wish I could say that every artist goes to college for a music industry to a degree, but they don't. So many of them just fall into it. It was a passion that they got discovered now on social media. Those are the people I worry about the most, the TikTokers. We've seen it over and over where
somebody on TikTok all of a sudden becomes famous overnight because they had one song that they sang and you know millions of views and then all of a sudden the industry sweeps in and puts them on a tour, puts them on a big stage, does whatever they're going to do with them.
They have never played in front of a live audience. All they've done is played in their bedroom on their computer. They've never understood any of the other roles that now all of a sudden this label has 50 people on their team telling them what to do every day. All these things come at them and they don't succeed. I don't know one TikTokker that has really sustained in this industry. We've had several that have kind of
figured it out, but most of them, come in and they're gone in a minute and then they have a lot of mental issues because of it.
Even those that dream about it their whole life, they still have a lot of mental. But I think just doing what we're doing, you know, we're talking through podcasts, we're having live sessions at as many conventions and arenas and whatever we can that we know there's a lot of artists there that we can talk about it. Not afraid to talk about it on social media and just say, hey, I had a great time with my therapist today. We were talking about some of my mental health issues and things I'm going
Bev Moser (33:03.705)
through. There's nothing wrong with that. No different than a woman showing up for an interview with no makeup on.
You know, for a long time, if you weren't in your stage makeup, you didn't get your picture taken with anybody. didn't show, you you ran out to the bus because you didn't want nobody to see you. I think today a lot of the artists don't care. You're seeing more and more of them all the time, but they're on social media and they're not made up. You get what you get. And I think that's wonderful because we all know we do not look like we look when we have makeup on.
Kim Rapach (33:37.27)
That's right. That's right. I haven't made it to the podcast without makeup, but I know when I first started a couple years ago, I had to have the right outfit on and my hair had to be... And now I'm just like, I'll wear a concert t-shirt from my new favorite artist.
Bev Moser (33:51.03)
Absolutely. No. I mean, when I was young and had my kids and I wouldn't even go to the grocery store without makeup on, I was, you know, I'm like, if I didn't have my hair done and makeup on, I wasn't leaving. Now I'm kind of like the Walmart people. I don't care. I'll wear my slippers and like, like, I don't really care if you want to look at me and judge me, go for it. But I'm comfortable and I'm happy. And I don't I don't care. But
Kim Rapach (34:15.608)
Right.
Bev Moser (34:17.165)
You know, it's just, I mean, there's just so many ways and so many things that people have to just understand and accept themselves for and still understand there is a time and place where you do have to wear normal clothes and makeup. You know, you can't not, you know, you can't run around like that all the time either. So there's a place for everything. But I really do think that just being able to talk about things and express.
How you feel when things happen is a big key to everything. And so we're just trying to find as many platforms for that to try and open doors and windows and let people know that you are not alone. There's issues all over the place and no two peoples are the same. My mental issues and yours are not the same. So there's not one easy fix. Don't turn to alcohol, don't turn to drugs.
You know, get help, talk to friends and family and get a therapist, whatever you need to do. So that's just what we're doing.
Kim Rapach (35:22.808)
Sure. You know, the conversation around the makeup, the word that came to mind was conditioning, right? We've been so conditioned, especially as women, we've been conditioned to look a certain way and behave and dress and whatever.
Bev Moser (35:29.793)
Amen.
Kim Rapach (35:37.93)
With mental health, I think it's the same. There's been so much conditioning that if you struggle, if you wrestle, it's a you problem. There's something wrong with you. And I think we're still seeing too many spaces where, okay, let's go send the artist off somewhere else to go get fixed. And then hopefully we can bring them back. And I think we need to decondition the entire industry.
Bev Moser (35:41.189)
and
Bev Moser (36:00.837)
Yeah, and I don't have the answer to that at all because...
Kim Rapach (36:05.196)
Well, again, I think we're doing it, right? We keep having the conversation. We keep pushing back.
Bev Moser (36:06.446)
Yeah, we're we are doing it. Yeah, I mean, our industry, we lost a huge music executive last year. And nobody, nobody saw that coming. And we know, you know, we know that there was help. But, you know, I don't know the whole story behind that. But there was help. You know, you don't have to take your own life just because you have things going on. And
Kim Rapach (36:14.754)
Yeah, it's so sad.
Bev Moser (36:35.908)
you know, whatever the situation is, but I hope that we can open more doors and windows and everything and get the get people to feel comfortable to talk about things and understand and realize some of it stuff you can do. It's self help, you know, shut the phone off, shut the TV off, put your games away, go outside and go for a walk, anything, you know, it's not always expensive stuff you have to do to fix it. Sometimes it's just an easy, you know, go out in the backyard and
Water your flowers.
Kim Rapach (37:07.848)
Absolutely. And I what I have found is one of the greatest missing links is people understanding their nervous system. When they struggle, they think it's me something's wrong with me instead of understanding the science that your body is communicating to you. And we've also been conditioned to look outside of ourselves for the answers, right? So make this go away, change my schedule, help me you know,
Bev Moser (37:16.304)
Mm-hmm.
Bev Moser (37:29.158)
Correct.
Kim Rapach (37:35.138)
get to the top, help me be more successful so then I'll feel better. It's all within you. And what I have found is when people understand the science behind what is happening in their brain and their spinal cord, their nervous system, their central nervous system, they understand, I do have to go outside and put my feet in the grass. And I now know how to gauge what works for my body, what doesn't. Because again, like you said, there's no one size
Bev Moser (37:40.07)
Yeah.
Bev Moser (37:57.049)
Yeah.
Kim Rapach (38:05.132)
fix all or you know fits all and we can't you know everything isn't going to work for the for all the people but when you understand what your body is telling you and you understand how it's connected to the experiences you've had and the experiences you continue to have and that your community your I'm sorry your nervous system is communicating to you and you give people the tools and a scale on how to rate it and put them to work
It's a beautiful transformation. And I want to add that to the conversation because I do think we're still a little stuck in some people have mental health issues, some people don't. And really, you know, we all have mental health and we all need to protect it. And it should be a wide, an industry wide conversation, not who needs it and who doesn't.
Bev Moser (38:54.064)
Right? Yeah.
Kim Rapach (38:55.222)
We all need it. the whole, you know, I always say when, when we're, when our artists are well, everybody wins.
Bev Moser (39:01.146)
Yeah, absolutely. I I know even education has changed. When I was in elementary school through high school, we had health and wellness classes. We had to go through different and they were all some of them were called different things as we got older, whatever. But I remember talking about certain things like that in school. They don't have those anymore. The budgets have cut a lot of that and the teachers don't have the experience to teach them and whatever because they don't have a specific
person in that role that can help those kids. And we have elementary kids committing suicide. That's not normal. And it's not just coming from home, it's mostly coming from school issues, bullying and whatever else is going on. So I think that we do need to step back and look at our school systems and start there and...
Kim Rapach (39:48.856)
social media.
Bev Moser (39:57.531)
have certain things built into jobs where people are allowed to, they're having a day and they need to go sit at the picnic table outside, let them work out there. Get some fresh air, that's what they need, I don't know. But they definitely needs to make some changes and helping people learn that it's okay to not surround yourself with whatever it is that's causing your issues in the first place. So, yeah.
Kim Rapach (40:22.69)
Right, yeah, absolutely. Bev, what do you do on a regular basis to protect your own mental wellness?
Bev Moser (40:32.526)
Number one, I do walk. I love walking. And I especially love walking outside when I can go on the trails because I love nature. So that's probably my number one. I also love to go out and do my gardening. There's nothing I love more than mowing my yard or watering my plants or figuring out what's next back there. We just lost in the ice storm a whole bunch of trees and my daughter was like, good, cut it up for firewood because she goes camping.
And I sent her a picture that night. said, all the limbs that are about six to eight inches wide, you're not getting them. I said, I'm going to make a dry river bed. she's like, do you ever stop thinking in your garden? I'm like, no. But that's my that's where I go when I don't have the phone bugging me. I'm not thinking about emails. I'm not thinking about work or what I have to pack because we're leaving to get on the road. I can just go outside and get my hands dirty and not think about any of that.
that's how I find my balance. And knowing that, you know, if I get my 10,000 steps in that day, that's great, you know. And sometimes I don't and I'm okay with that too, but that's where I really find my balance is when I can get out there. The other part of it is the music. I mean, if I'm working and we're doing stuff, especially a live show, I'm in my element.
the whole day can go by and I don't even know it, you know. So I think everybody has to think and I think music does that for a lot of people. That's why concerts sell out, you know. People need that couple hours to scream and yell and dance and get away from life. So it's all tied together. Yeah.
Kim Rapach (42:02.229)
Absolutely.
Kim Rapach (42:12.02)
Absolutely. And being outside of nature, mean, nature is just magical on its own. But you know what you're describing, like what you're making the dry river bed, it's creativity. And we need to be creative. And you know, when I talk to artists, it's what are you doing to be creative outside of what you're producing for your career?
Bev Moser (42:21.582)
Absolutely, yes.
Bev Moser (42:31.804)
Mm-hmm.
Kim Rapach (42:33.208)
Do you make music for yourself that the world will never get to see? Do you paint? you garden? Do do interior design? Have something just for you that is sacred to you because your music is sacred to us. And so have something for yourself.
Bev Moser (42:38.631)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Bev Moser (42:47.003)
Yeah, yeah, you have to. And there are a lot, there's a lot of artists that write songs that no one else will ever hear. You know, it's just in their head, they need to get it out. And it is therapy for them. But, you know, it's very important to, you know, if you have pets go for a walk, do whatever to do something or do crafts or read a book, whatever you enjoy doing to escape for a little while. Hopefully do it in a healthy way. And, you know, you just need to do that.
Kim Rapach (42:53.795)
Yep.
Kim Rapach (43:17.718)
Yeah, I like what you said too when you said, you know, I try to get my 10,000 steps and if I don't, that's okay too. What that is, what I hear when people say that is you have a flexible nervous system because sometimes we can get so dialed into our routines that we become rigid and it's
it's not so much that we're really feeling better. It's like we have a different level of distraction. our gym routine is now the level of distraction, right? Like people say like the gym is my therapy and I'm like, it just be part of it? But yeah, like, okay, let's be flexible. hit my daily routines 80, 85 % of the time, I'm golden. And being able to have that mentality helps when life kicks the snot out of you, right?
Bev Moser (43:45.35)
Yeah.
Bev Moser (43:50.085)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Bev Moser (44:05.158)
Mm-hmm.
Kim Rapach (44:06.352)
because no matter how well you are, no matter how mentally strong you are, no matter how successful you are, I think a lot of artists need to hear that life is still going to life. And you need a nervous system who can handle the ebbs and flows and the ups and downs and the wins and the losses, both personally and professionally.
Bev Moser (44:23.783)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because your life doesn't stop just because you're in the music career. You still have family, you still have friends, you still have your pets, your horses, whatever. You still have a life that you need to take care of. And you have to find that balance and not let one thing dominate you. And some people can handle it and some can't. And that's where we need to find the tools to help them. And I think a lot of people are scared of the word mental health.
Kim Rapach (44:49.41)
Yes. Yeah.
Bev Moser (44:54.981)
you know, someone says, they have mental problems. Then all of a sudden, that's a red check mark on your forehead, you know, and it's like, this is normal. This isn't mental health problems. It's just what we go through every single day that we just have to figure out how to balance it.
Kim Rapach (45:13.74)
Yeah, thank you for saying that. think that's the number one piece that's being missed.
Bev Moser (45:18.843)
Yeah, I really think so.
Kim Rapach (45:22.422)
And that's why I move away. I've moved away from the conversation around mental illness versus mental wellness. Because again, we've been conditioned to think there's people with issues and people without and mental health is health. And so some of us have asthma and we don't judge each other. And some of us have anxiety but whoa, look out, right? Like
Bev Moser (45:29.98)
Yeah.
Bev Moser (45:43.825)
Mm-hmm.
Kim Rapach (45:45.272)
You know, and it's funny because different industries and different cities, I have a friend who says, you know, if you're in LA and you go to therapy, you're being responsible. But in Chicago, you've got issues or you're, you know, crazy, whatever.
Bev Moser (45:57.522)
Correct, correct. That's a Midwest thing. Yeah, that's a Midwest thing, because that's how I grew up in a farming community. And that's exactly what they think.
Kim Rapach (46:02.754)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But let's normalize like.
taking care of your mental health, being proactive, not waiting is responsible. It's mature, it's integrated, and it's what's gonna help you take your success to levels that you can't even imagine because if you don't, again, if you don't have the mental health or the nervous system to sustain it, you're gonna lose whatever you build anyway. And that's devastating as we see time and time and time again. And not to put more pressure on artists
Bev Moser (46:30.342)
Yeah.
Kim Rapach (46:39.752)
or the industry but when you're in the public and we lose you to betrayal or scandal or addiction or suicide it impacts hundreds of thousands of people because
Bev Moser (46:53.615)
It really does. Yeah.
Kim Rapach (46:56.684)
We adore you and we, you your fans feel like they know you and they're rooting for you. And even though, you know, you sure you probably have haters too and critics, but they don't matter. But I just think it's, it's a big toll. And I think when.
We have artists who on the outside look like they have it all together. And they look like they've quote unquote made it. And then we lose them or they fall from grace.
it makes it hard for other people who are like, well, if he can't make it, I'm never going to make it. He had everything. And it's, it's a snowball effect, which is why I believe that with mental wellness, we can also have a snowball effect. If we have
People in the public eye who we know, who think we know, who we adore can stand on a stage and say, you're a human. Your feelings matter. This is normal. You've been lied to. You've been conditioned. It's all BS. Take care of yourself. Ooh, I got goosebumps. Like, that's what we need. I have this vision. I have this like, beehive goal. know, have you seen David Letterman's, my next guest?
Bev Moser (48:15.986)
Mm-hmm, I have.
Kim Rapach (48:17.44)
So similar to that, I have this dream of having like a TV show where there is an artist, like a well-known artist and an up and coming artist on every episode and all they're talking about is mental health. And so the well-known artists can say, here's what my journey was. you know, what, here were my wins, but here were my lessons around the concept of mental wellness so that we build into the newer artists,
but also the whole world. Because I think everybody wants to know, how do I get help? How do I make this better? And until we can open up that dialogue. But I think having our artists who are honest and candid, that's why I love how you build into your clients because for me it matters more than how successful they are.
Bev Moser (48:48.616)
Bye.
Bev Moser (49:07.144)
Yeah, absolutely. No, absolutely. had a day this week where I just had, I left the house at 7 a.m. and didn't get home until after 6 30. And I got a lot accomplished. had meetings, I had to pick up stuff. I had to meet a new client. My computer never got touched that whole day because I was out doing things. And I joked with somebody. I said, you'll be proud of me. I didn't even look at my computer once today. I have no idea how many emails are waiting for me. And normally,
I'm on top of every email all day long. And they're like, good for you, you need it. So you do we we get into that grind. And we think that we have to do whatever it is, whether it's as small as doing your email every single day, or whatever. We just need to know that it's okay to let that go for a day or two, whatever you need, the world is not going to end. And, you know, you may have missed a deadline or something, but
Is it the end of the world? No. You know, you might not be happy about it, but you'll get over it. So, no.
Kim Rapach (50:13.614)
So that begs the question, are there industry professionals who are not saying that or who are saying the opposite?
Bev Moser (50:23.912)
a good question. I don't know if there's any industry professionals saying that at all. I honestly...
Kim Rapach (50:32.59)
So where's that, like obviously the hustle is part of it. All of us, no matter what we're doing, have to hustle and we have to grind, but we have to also know how to recover and how to learn how our identity and our worth is not wrapped up in our busyness. There needs to be that separation of, yes, I have to work hard, of course I do, but that's not my identity. Where do you think that...
Bev Moser (50:36.552)
Yeah.
Bev Moser (50:47.888)
Mm-hmm. Right.
Kim Rapach (50:58.134)
conditioning still comes from. Because when I talk to people, a lot of artists are still like, there's this narrative that you get one shot or, you know, if you don't do it, somebody else will. You know, these kinds of
Bev Moser (51:10.844)
Yeah, I think from the artist perspective, I don't see it on my part so much because I am self-employed and I can work as much as I want or little as I want, which normally I'm working a lot, but an artist is getting it from different angles because if they have a team around them, then we're putting pressure on them. You know, we need these assets. We need you to get this done by this date. We have, you know, whatever it is. And
if they have, know, even if they're on a label, then they have even bigger teams of people who are, and then they have the fans that are like, when are you releasing the new music? We like it, we don't like it. What, you know, we like what you put on socials, we don't, you need to do this, you need that. So they get demands from a lot of sides that the general public does not. And I don't think that there's any way to control that because that's just how things kind of work.
I do feel like there's some narrative on how much you allow fans to say to you before you hit the unfollow go away button and not let that get to you. But that's hard because you're constantly trying to build your numbers, build your streaming numbers, your fan base numbers. I don't have the magic answers. I just know things that are causing it that we need to talk about.
and figure out together a way to find that door that it's okay to walk through and say, okay, I need a break. I'm off of here for a few days and it's okay. If things go down, they go down. I'll be back, but I've got to get some fresh air and do whatever. So we'll get there.
Kim Rapach (53:02.356)
Absolutely, we will. And these conversations, I think are going to help us get there. What would you say for an artist who may be struggling with their mental health right now?
Bev Moser (53:18.169)
A, they need to talk to somebody, whether it's a friend, a parent, a therapist, somebody, they need to be able to be naked in front of somebody and let people see everything for what it is. And I don't mean that the way it sounds, but they need to be able to expose and talk about
What's causing it? Is it another human causing you to feel this way? Is it your inner self screaming at you to do more or to do it different or to do it better? Is it just the expectations of the world as a whole? But you need to be able to talk about that. And the more that you can talk about it, as your circle gets bigger and people understand what's causing it, I think it's going to go away a little bit.
you know, because maybe you are one of the things pushing them that's making them feel that way. So, and I think people don't realize that they do it to other people. That's a key thing right there. You know, I mean, I see people that have friends that on a normal day, they may not do these things, but then this friend comes around and all of a sudden they're on a binge. They're doing whatever it is that this person that maybe has some bad traits does.
And you know, maybe it's just staying up until three in the morning. It doesn't have to be a major bad trait, but it's things that take away from you being healthy when you know that you need your eight hours of sleep at night and they don't or whatever. Maybe they sleep till three in the afternoon and you can't. You've got to get up for a job in the morning. So there's just lots of things that we need to get out there that people help them recognize things better. And I don't know where I got it. I have no idea where I really
picked it up, somehow I did.
Kim Rapach (55:14.264)
Well, and you know, it's interesting because what you're describing, I think a lot of people in the entertainment industry, especially the music industry, a lot of people push those necessities aside because they just have been.
Bev Moser (55:26.44)
Mm-hmm.
Kim Rapach (55:29.85)
somehow made to believe that if they just make it, then everything will work out. If I just get that gig, if I just get that award, and you know that goalpost always moves, no matter where you're at in your career, it just keeps moving. And your wellness just keeps getting pushed to the side. When I get that, then I'll start going to the gym. When I get that, then I'll tell those friends that maybe they're not a great influence, whatever it may be. But you have to put yourself as a priority.
Bev Moser (55:55.356)
Mm-hmm.
Kim Rapach (55:56.62)
And what people don't understand is you are far more likely to be successful if you take care of your mental and physical health than you ever will be if you ignore it. And we just need to flip that.
Bev Moser (56:07.849)
Absolutely. It's no different than, I mean, you're from Chicago, so you understand it. The winters suck. You're not outside, you're not getting fresh air. You're in the house where you've got the furnace running so the air is drier and spring hits and all of a sudden you're just like, oh my God, I feel so much better.
Kim Rapach (56:16.64)
Amen.
Bev Moser (56:33.651)
People that maybe live in Florida or California where they have kind of the same weather all year long, I feel like their mental health would be better all year round versus what we go through. I hate having to be in the house all the time. I wanna go outside and do whatever. And maybe everybody doesn't.
get that feeling like I do, but man, I was sitting outside of my porch the other day, I'm like, oh, this is so bad. It just felt good. So, you know, maybe we need a bottle of that and sell it. I don't know.
Kim Rapach (57:07.262)
Yeah. Well, self-awareness is so important that, you know, that deep inner knowing is so important. You know, like I have to be outside.
I just have to be, I have to be outside even if it's 17 degrees. And so I'm currently wrestling with a couple injuries and it can't be outside and I have to make up for it in other ways. I have to have my little light that I turn on, know, when I get up in the morning, I turn on all the lights, which I typically wouldn't just, you know, stepping outside, even if I can't go for a walk or I can't get my steps, you just learn like, does, you know, what does my physical and mental self need? And you make that a priority.
Bev Moser (57:31.389)
Right.
Bev Moser (57:35.57)
Right.
Bev Moser (57:42.779)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Kim Rapach (57:45.898)
and then you don't get taken out. There were many winters before I understood all of this that I would just be flattened and it was awful. I don't want to go back there.
Bev Moser (57:49.62)
Yeah. Yeah. I'll even put like.
to at night to sleep, I'll put the sound of crickets and birds on at night just to hear like I'm outside or while I work, I'll put on, you know, there's all kinds of just quiet songs that you can put on your TV screen that are just some kind of a noise. I don't like a lot of loud stuff, but I will put the waves hitting an ocean, you know, anything while I'm working that it's just something refreshing and.
Kim Rapach (58:03.754)
I love that.
Bev Moser (58:24.437)
Simple things that you can do, anybody can do that. They're on every TV, you know, or on YouTube, whatever. But those little things sometimes are all you need to shut your head off or to help you just work and feel like you're not sitting in your house working when you'd rather be outside doing something. So, yeah.
Kim Rapach (58:42.678)
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I love this conversation, Bev. I look forward to more. I know that you are up to some really cool things. Is there anything that you want to mention that you have coming up that people should know about?
Bev Moser (58:57.705)
not really. mean, like I said, my things, my days and world changes. We're going to Cuba. Does that count? I'm excited about that. My days and my week right now, I mean, from December to probably the first part of February, our world is pretty quiet in the music industry because nobody's really touring a lot. There's some stuff, but not a lot.
Kim Rapach (59:07.982)
Well, you're taking me with you.
Bev Moser (59:26.479)
But we're gearing up starting next week. We go to Houston and then our schedule pretty much changes and we'll be on the road quite a bit. But I just got an artist on a 12 day run to Cuba and I'm very excited about that. So that'll be fun because I get to go along. And I just got some new clients, you know, so I'm learning them and starting to work with stuff with them. So, I mean.
But my stuff changes all the time. I mean, next week maybe something big news. Who knows? It might not be. But we've always got some big things on the horizon that we're doing. And it's just fun to be a part of that. And again, it's one of those things. It's always good and it's always bad because you don't have your own downtime, but you're doing fun things that you wouldn't do normally. So you know.
Kim Rapach (01:00:19.566)
Sure, yeah. Well, do you have like a final parting mantra that you would say to somebody in the industry to navigate everything we've just discussed? Is there anything that you use on a regular basis?
Bev Moser (01:00:23.614)
Thank
Bev Moser (01:00:28.977)
I've always, I've had one since a day one and I'm sure I learned this probably in Girl Scouts or church or something growing up, but especially in this industry, it's very important that every single person you meet will circle around again.
at some form, some fashion. might be next week, it might be three months, it might be 10 years. You never know, but you are gonna see that person again somewhere. So be nice to everybody because you don't know how that person, they may come to you with an offer for a show. They may circle back and...
thank you for being nice to them because it inspired them to do something else. I've had it happen to me over and over and over again where I briefly and introduced to somebody and don't think twice about it. And then all of a sudden here it comes back to me and I'm like, I remember meeting you 10 years ago when we both were nobody and trying to figure stuff out. Now we're both over here.
and you're helping me do this because you've landed this, whatever it may be. And that kind of stuff is invaluable. So be nice to everybody regardless because you will see them again somehow and hopefully it'll be a good situation but maybe they're gonna need you for something. It might circle around where you've got something and you can help them. So who knows?
Kim Rapach (01:01:57.26)
I love that. And I would add, be nice to yourself. Always be nice to yourself because you're wherever you go. There you are. Thank you so much for being here, Bev. I've truly enjoyed this conversation. All right. Well, I look forward to when we get to chat again. I look forward to it. Thanks.
Bev Moser (01:02:00.423)
Yes.
There you are, no getting away from it. Of course. Thank you, I did too.
Awesome, me too. I hopefully we get to meet in person. OK, alright, well thank you.