Stockholm Shows & Lyrical Analysis of 'thanK you aIMee' & 'Cassandra'

This week, we catch up on the Eras Tour happenings from Taylor's stop in Stockholm, Sweden. Jessi and Anna then take turns deep diving lyrics of 2 songs from The Tortured Poets Department. Jessi starts with her take on 'thanK you aIMee' followed by Anna's discussion of the music industry and her thoughts on how 'Cassandra' relates to a lot of the news we've seen over the years about corruption in the industry.

Follow us on TikTok, Instagram, and YouTube [Our handle: @tspodnetwork] 

For more of TSPN, visit our website at www.tspodnetwork.com

Creators & Guests

Host

Anna

Host

Jessi

What is TSPN | Taylor Swift Fan Published Podcast?

We are Jessi & Anna, 2 SwiftTokers who spend our free time down the rabbit holes of Taylor Swift’s art, analyzing lyrics, recognizing patterns, and hunting for Easter eggs. Our main goal is to be informative, insightful, and reflective about Taylor’s art and her impact on pop culture. This is designed to be a fun, stress-free podcast where you can come hang with us weekly as we talk all things Taylor.

This podcast is an independent and unauthorized fan publication. The podcast & its assets are in no way affiliated with or endorsed by the artist or any of the people mentioned or depicted in its content.

Hey, lovers.

Welcome to TSPN.

Yes, Jessi is back.

We recognize that 'Hey, lovers'.

She says it so much more naturally.

So. Yeah,
if you missed the last week's episode,

one of my dear friends and fellow content
creators, Emmy,

stepped in and co-hosted with me
because Jessi had Strep.

Really bad Strep.

So, how are you feeling now?

You sound better.

Oh, I'm much better.

Really, really bad Strep.

Like I didn't realize strep had adults
the way that it did

because like the night before, I like
got all the symptoms.

I told Eric I was in bed, and I'm like,
every muscle and bone in my body

feels like it's on fire
and I don't know why.

And then I woke up with the like,
the worst sore throat thing I've

ever had in my life. High fever.

My bones hurt like it was.

I don't know, I think when you get older

it gets the illnesses get worse.

If that makes.

Yeah, like if you come under, your body's
like, it doesn't have the same stamina.

No. Like,
if my kids get strep, they're good.

And like for, you know, 4 or 5 days
it took me a good like 6

or 7 days
with antibiotics to get rid of that.

Yeah.

Well, and you were pretty early on
whenever we filmed, it was like maybe day

2 or 3.

So yeah, she sounded awful and couldn't
absolutely, absolutely

was not going to be able to hop on.

So thank you, Emmy. Thank you Emmy.

So to catch viewers up last week
we covered the Paris shows.

So Emmy and I obviously got kind
of the first opportunity to react to

what happened as far as the changes
in the tour, Taylor added

a set, she changed all the outfits,
she rearranged the set

so we covered a lot of those details
in the last episode.

But I did want to just before

we start talking about Stockholm,
which happened this past weekend.

Get your take Jessi on
everything that happened really

well, I

remember I was watching it
the first Paris show.

I was watching it on a live,
so I wanted to see what happened with TTPD

and I was kind of like
not watching the whole thing.

So I was like checking in and out
and I like, I knew something was happening

after 1989 because, like, it just

something start
like it was just an electricity in the air

that you could feel
before it even started up.

Then it just started.

I'm like, oh my God, she killed that set.

Like kills it
when she comes out of the gates with.

But daddy I love him right.

Amazing.

But then this bitch levitates like
looks like she's levitating

for one of my favorite songs on TTPD
who's afraid a little me.

Oh I lost it.

Like I was like she's a genius.

Like I'd never even really
because you hear songs so many times,

but you don't really like.

Sometimes you'll hear a line
for the first time, like in your soul

when she says, I leapt from the gallows
and I levitate down your street.

That was the first time I really heard it.

When it looked like
she was like a ghost, like levitating.

I was, like, blown
away by the entire set. Like

blown away.

It was insane.

And the theatrics of it all, there's
a lot more props and stuff like that.

I feel like she did a lot more,
like on stage production than usual.

Yes. It was very,

how do I put this, like, musical,

rock opera, slash, rock opera rap.

Roperah

So slash like Broadway, whereas which is,

you know, a theory
I been going at for a while,

but the costume change with, like,
cam on stage was brilliant.

Where they

You know, it's back in the 20s.

A very Clara Bow,
the facial expressions and, and then,

you know, right before that,

the smallest man who ever lived,
when she puts on that jacket and marches

and salutes like that's a moment like,
I feel like I just.

I need to see that life.

Like it's all I know. New concert

I know.

Well, maybe one day, maybe,
maybe we'll strike

luck. I was just telling Jessi that,

I'm a Gemini, and apparently Jupiter's
moving into Gemini.

And from what I understand of astrology,
which is what people on

TikTok tell me, I'm about to experience
a lot of freakin luck.

So, yeah, maybe we'll get tickets.

Maybe.

Maybe it's like winning.

It's like winning the lottery
nowadays. So.

Yeah, exactly, exactly. It's crazy.

I feel like it's funny, you know, people
who aren't, like, huge Swifties.

I have a coworker
who reached out about tickets.

I was like, no, I might

if I had tickets, I would be going
or even selling them before.

I would be like giving them away.

Like it's either me or the money.

Exactly like I know I
and I saw the eras tour right

when it first started back in Chicago,
and this shake up in Paris

is such a shake up
of the whole structure of the tour, too.

I mean, you have the folklore
like evermore folk more combo.

Yeah. What were your thoughts on the.

She combined them.

I thought that was brilliant.

I mean, that's a good way to cut it down
and not,

you know, because they are sister albums,
so why not?

That was an easy place to cut.

Yeah.

When I said this last week with Emmy
that, you know, when we had been planning

for Swiftie 101 and we,
you know, chunked out the different eras

because we're doing like seems behind
and it's not just the album, but like,

what were the outfits like that she wore,
what was like the clues leading into it

and what were the clues of that, or what
were some of the interviews that she did?

Like all of these things, and it's hard
to really separate those into eras

because of how close and proximity
the albums were dropped,

and that the esthetics
are really the same.

So I could see, like if you really define
an era by like Taylor's

aura and like things that are bigger than

the music, they kind of are the same era.

Yeah, yeah.

So the colors and outfit changes
are really like a fresh shakeup.

But I also think it
probably means something

to, you know, the orange.

There's something going on there,
there is something going on there.

And I think that her taking out the last
great American dynasty which something

I thought I think she's going to have on
Broadway, the story of Rebekah Harkness.

it would

just play out so beautifully on Broadway
because she was her

whole thing for Rebekah's whole thing
was composing music and dancing ballet.

And she never got the accolades
that she deserved as a woman.

And people kind of made fun of her for it.

So if you really look into the story
of Rebekah like I have and, so for her

to put on a Broadway musical, that's all
it that's the last great American dynasty,

which she kind of had in the show with
the train and the dancers and all that.

And now she's taking that piece out.

It just further
kind of fuels that theory of mine.

Yeah.

What are your thoughts
on the choice of songs for TTPD?

Yeah, for TTPD

but I

thought everyone that I thought
she might have in there made it.

except for the
the weird thing is, I didn't think so.

I didn't pick so high school and I didn't.

I didn't pick Fortnite
even though it's a single.

I didn't think she was going to do it.

Yeah, we had said that.

I think I said on the podcast
something about like Fortnite

not really being stadium worthy,
but it is the single, you know,

it's a good time to.

Yeah.

The way they have
the production of the bed

and like all that on stage,
it's just beautiful.

Like she did a brilliant job with that.

That's that.

Yeah.

All right, well,
should we take it away to Ty now

and he can give us the recap on
what happened in Stockholm last weekend.

Let's do it.

I'm so excited to say, this past

weekend, Taylor Swift and the Eras
tour made their Swedish debut.

And here's what you missed.

If you missed those shows,

the first thing that we have to talk about
is throughout the three days

that Taylor was there,
she and the Swifties who attended broke

the all time attendance record for Friends
Arena three times.

If you're wondering
exactly how many people, that means,

there was over
180,000 attendees at the three concerts.

Amongst those attendees was Max Martin,
who we've seen featured on multiple

different Taylor Swift
albums like Red 1989 and reputation,

but he wasn't featured on 1989 TV,
so a lot of Swifties were wondering

how Taylor Swift
and him were getting along.

It seems like now, though,
they're getting along just fine because in

the surprise song section that night,
Taylor played the Max Martin medley

honoring him and all the work he's done
throughout her career.

But Max wasn't the only part of Taylor's
career that we saw

honored this weekend,
as she also had her 89th Eras Tour show,

and she did not let that go by
without honoring 1989, doing

so by showcasing some of those outfits
that she debuted at the 1989 announcement,

but also by giving us some brand new 1989
outfits

and honoring 1989,
just like she did Max Martin

in the surprise
song section with its very own medley.

Now, if you're wondering

exactly what surprise songs we got, here's
what they were on night one.

We heard I Think He Knows and Gorgeous
as a mashup on the guitar,

followed by the debut of Peter
on the piano for night two.

We got guilty as Sin, followed by a mashup
of say Don't Go,

Welcome to New York and Clean
to honor 1989 for that 89th show.

Then finally on night three,
we got to hear the Max Martin medley

on the guitar with message in a bottle,
How You Get the Girl

and New Romantics, followed by
How Did It End for the very first time?

Live on the piano.

That said, just because the songs are over
does not mean the surprises are as

Taylor has more shows
coming up today in Lisbon.

So make sure you're back here next week
and we'll keep you posted

on everything
going on with the Eras Tour in 2024.

All right.

Thank you Ty for the lovely recap
as always.

@13TyWilson is where you can find Ty
with more thorough recaps on his TikTok.

He usually does like a video per night.

and then he goes the nice little wrap up
for us at, the end of the week.

So let's talk about Stockholm.

So, Jessi,
initial takeaways and initial thoughts.

She is bringing back more of the mash
ups during the surprise set

and lots of 1989, which is interesting.

and then we had the Max Martin medley.

Max Martin was there night three,
we believe, right?

Yeah.

I didn't find anything that actually
confirm that, but I saw several TikToks

and like people in the stadium saying
like Max Martin in the house, but like,

I did not
physically see a TikTok with him.

but it would make sense. He's
Swedish. Correct?

He would. Yeah.

Yeah, that would be the show
that he would go to.

Yeah, that was pretty cool of her.

But I also oh, I wonder if there was
an egg dropped in that somewhere or two.

I do want to recap for our listeners.

Max Martin is a producer.

He's produced like some of the biggest pop
music that you are aware of, right.

NSYNC, Backstreet
Boys, Britney Spears, Bruno Mars.

So Taylor first worked with Max Martin
in the Red era.

It was her
first kind of introduction into pop.

So a lot of the songs that are very pop,
like on Red were produced by Max Martin,

and at the time, Taylor wasn't
the biggest pop star in the world.

Right.

So it was a huge honor to her for him
to work with her.

Right?

That was something that she wanted to do,

and for them to collaborate
was a really big deal for both.

but specifically,
it was probably a bigger honor

for her than it was for him, you know?

So I think that's where it's so,
like full circle

now that she is like the biggest pop star
right now in the world.

And, and so she worked with him in 1989

as well, I don't think he was part of
the rerecord, the 1989 Taylor's version.

And a lot of people kind of said

maybe that's not his thing to, like,
go back into the studio and repeat work,

which is totally fine
musical genius of his own kind of caliber.

So I'm not really sure
if that's just something that he just

wasn't really interested in pursuing,
which is why Jack would have,

you know, reproduced stuff like style,
you know,

and then I don't believe they work
together, since I'm not too sure,

though I haven't confirmed that.

But for the most part, since 1989,
Jack has been her main producer.

And then obviously
Aaron Dessner came into the picture.

There's been other like,
little producers, like,

I think she's a different producer
for clean on 1989.

There might be some mix in them, but, Max
Martin did work with her in Red and 1889.

Original. Well, yeah.

And with TTPD she is starting to work with
Bryce Dessner, air and Twin now as well.

He's produced a few songs

so I think that's really cool
and interesting because, I mean,

what we got, Bryce is a genius as well,
so it's

what's to come with that?

Yeah, yeah. Love it.

and then yeah, she did call that one

like medley of all three of the songs
were produced by Max Martin.

So that was, like you said,
maybe it's an Easter egg.

Maybe she's going to work with him again.

Who knows what she was
there, what, four days?

Four dates? Three dates?

she had three dates in Sweden.

Okay.

So she was there for three dates.

I wonder if she worked with him at all
while she was there in the studio,

because Travis wasn't there,
so she didn't have.

I mean, anything else going on?

I mean, I'm sure she did.

But, like, you know what I
you know, I'm not tracking her jet,

but I'm assuming that doesn't mean
she showed up day three.

She could have been there
several days before. Who knows.

Right.

Well, they had hadn't like her
and Travis had been in Italy.

Right?

Right before Stockholm, in Lake Como. Yes.

There were photos that came out
and engagement rumors and all of that.

Yeah, yeah.

And that's just.

Yeah, not my thing. But like the,

I do know he had Kelce Jam, which

something I did want to ask you about
because that's it.

Like a Kansas City thing.

Yeah.

I had never heard of it until this year.

I don't know if I don't know
if you guys take me for a Kelce Jammer

prior to him being, Taylor's boyfriend.

I don't think, I really

I mean, he was obviously on my radar
because my husband is a big fan.

But yeah, I was interested
when videos started

surfacing online of the last Kelce Jam.

You know what I mean of him on stage,
like, you know, singing and acting a fool,

but, like, well done.

You know, you're like, it's obviously not
him and his backyard with friends.

It's like a real production.

Jojo went this year though,
so Jojo in KC on TikTok.

She's one of our like,
mutual friends as well.

And, I think she was there because her
phone died, so she,

she posted a video kind of recapping it,
but then it died halfway through.

But she had video of like two Chainz and
oh my gosh, I don't know.

That's
just not my like, I don't really jam.

Well, I didn't know if it was like

this beloved Kansas City thing
that they just because I asked.

I had this conversation with my husband
Eric last night and I said,

did you see anything about this
Kelce jam?

I'm like, is it B?

Did he do it because he's more famous now?

More people know who he is

because I would never know what a Kelce
Jam was last year.

And he's like, so he looks it up on it.

But he's like, no,
he did it in 2023 like before Taylor.

Like so this is the you know
he's had a lot of stardom though.

You got to think about like with
if you watched the Kelce documentary

which is actually centralized around
Jason Kelce. Right.

and that's on Amazon Prime, I believe.

Yeah, it's on Amazon Prime.

If anybody listen to it.

Yeah, it's a great
yeah, it's a great documentary.

Even if you're not like
a big fan of football.

It's like just a really good
like the documentary

about people who are in the industry and,
and the football industry

and just the things that they have to deal
with as a couple, as parents and

really great stuff.

But, you know,
Travis and Jason started the podcast.

They both got to the super Bowl that year.

It was an iconic year for them.

If you're doing a documentary,
it's like actually really great.

But I think about all that
in the fact that you went on

SNL and like, there's just been a lot
with Travis's stardom before.

Taylor that was already rolling in,
you know what I mean?

So I wasn't surprised
that he had done it in the past.

I bet a lot of people do think that
he is doing it just because of Taylor.

Don't realize that there was one before.

I guess that's what I thought.

And that's wrong on my part
because I am not like I did not know

about, like the Kelce phenomenon.

And I watched Saturday Night Live

and I don't even remember that episode
I watched.

I've watched again since.

But like Kelce, Travis Kelce was not
on my radar before Taylor Swift at all.

But I'm not from Kansas City and stuff
like like you where you guys are.

So yeah, I'm from
I'm not from Kansas City.

I'm from Saint Louis
area for our listeners.

So it's like, you know,

sister cities like, you know,
definitely a place that I visit a lot.

I went to school
in the middle of the state.

So like a lot of my friends
live in Kansas City

because you after college,
you go back to where you came from.

and so I would say, Travis Kelce
is definitely like a beloved person.

A lot of, you know, a lot of football
players in their hometowns are,

so I'm not surprised to hear that
that existed before.

I'm guessing it was way bigger this year
as far as not only who

who they got to play,
but also like just the attendees.

Yeah,

some of the
questions they were asking him to like,

they're like, what do you think
Taylor will headline it next year?

And he's like, no,
like they would need a way bigger plays.

Like if there's going to be.

I feel like

if there's going to be a Taylor Fest,
there's gonna be a Taylor Fest.

Like it's they're not going to put Travis
Kelce's name on it.

That would be fucking wild if like they,

they because you're right,
it would be totally about Taylor.

and then he was asked
what his favorite Taylor Swift songs are

and he said, Blank Space, the alchemy
and so High School, which I texted you,

I was like, see,
the alchemy is about Travis,

which you were like,
did do anybody does anyone think it's not?

And I'm like, yeah, let me show you

the comment section of a video
I posted where every not everyone.

I didn't know anyone.

I didn't know anyone debated that.

I thought everyone just figured the
the alchemy was about Travis.

I just thought, I don't know.

Yeah, I, I think some people don't
understand the heroin without an

e line is saying heroin
like a female hero.

So they heard heroin. Like,
that's about Matty.

It's like.

No, kind of.

It's like a joke. Not like, yeah,

it's a heroin, but not the drug.

Like, it's a.

Yeah, almost like a hero.

I love that
he answered the questions, though,

when they asked him, what are your
favorite healers with songs right now?

Like because her boyfriends and previous
like Joe would have,

like, side
tracked sidebar of that question so fast.

I mean, like, just answer, dude.

Like, well,
not just Joe and even her boyfriends.

Calvin Harris,

like anyone who's just publicly

been associated with,
has always kind of been weird about it.

And yeah, blank space to you, full
fucking like respect for him

thinking that's his favorite song
because she is literally admitting

to being a crazy girl like,

and she wrote it as a kind of a parody
to like what the media made her out to be.

So it's not like,
fully like self-reflective.

But I mean, let's be real,
we all kind of relate to blank space

because like, you are kind of
who the person wants you to be for a month

and then wait, wait, I'm going to have
a hormonal breakdown and make everything

a dramatic mess, because I don't feel like
you actually like me.

And I'm going to start a fight and we're
going to see if you actually like me.

You know, those types of behaviors.

I think especially in the dating field,
are, not necessarily uncommon.

And so the fact that he likes that song

shows that he accepts the crazy, well,
we all.

Yeah.

Yeah, I love that about him.

And he's always made

that known even early on that
that was always his favorite song.

And like, if you see him at her concerts,
he's like with,

he does like the golf swing with her
and like, it's just funny.

He, he loves that song.

But confirming so high school
and the alchemy was I mean,

he confirmed it like he's
not he's not like treading lightly.

No, no, he's definitely not.

Yeah.

The video I saw, I edited it
where after he said it, it like zoomed in

and like made him
like a little sparkle on his eye.

Like we think, yeah. Yeah.

Well, great.

Anything else with Stockholm
or do we want to get into our, analysis

of a couple songs for people?

Yes. Let's get into it.

Okay, so for today, Jessi
and I have a really special treat for you.

Jessi did a Clara Bow analysis
a couple weeks back,

and so we're not going to necessarily
have to do this every week,

but we do want to, in this year, work
through some of our takes on the TTPD song

Right.

And so Jessi really kind of
wanted to talk about thanK you aIMee

And so I was like, okay,
if she's gonna talk about

thanK you aIMee,
I think Cassandra is a good one

for me to talk about
because I love Cassandra.

I think it's bigger than you know.

It's not just about like, Kim and stuff

I do think it's about the music industry
and whatnot.

So these songs kind of feel related,
even though they're not.

So those are the ones we chose for today.

so we'll start with you, Jessi, with
thanK you aIMee

Yeah, it's really cool because neither of
us knows what we're going to say.

So it's like hearing our takes on it
for the first time.

And I,

I really wanted her to do Cassandra,
because that's one of the songs

I really just don't understand
on the album.

So I'm really excited to hear about that.
Yeah.

When you told me that, I was like, what?

You're sleeping on this, but I know it's
31 songs, so like, totally makes sense.

I know, I know, I listened to it

today again
and I'm getting a little bit of better,

but I'm interested
to hear your take on it.

But thanK you aIMee

All right.

Off the bat,
it's got three capitalized letters.

K-I-M okay.

So in Taylor's
debut album, in the lyric book,

she would capitalize letters
to spell out a message

or a clue because she really wanted people
to read her lyrics.

And she continued to do this
through fearless and through

Speak Now in the lyrics.

And then obviously,
like since then, we've all been in her

asylum and she's,
you know, gone crazy with the Easter eggs.

But, this has it.

It's got a callback to that first album.

So the KIM obviously,

I think refers to Kim Kardashian.

Yeah.

and I, I hear a lot of people like, I,
I'm sure there's, there's talk everywhere

and chatter of people saying, well,
you know, she's Kim's over it.

So Taylor should be over
it. It's been years.

It's been years.

We here's the thing.

It doesn't matter if it's been years.

Like if some that ruined her career

like she had a build back up.

Yeah.

Well, and this is a good plug
for 2 queens, 2 crowns because K.J.

and, Adrienne do episodes
where they compare two queens.

Right.

And their whole thesis is around, like,
both queens can have crowns

and, like, how did they help each other?

And even K.J.

said she struggled with the,

with the Kim, you know, the idea
of calling Kim a Queen and whatever.

But in the follow up episode,
she had me on

and we talked a lot about the Swiftie
and the Kim of it all.

So definitely,
if you haven't listened to those

two episodes yet,

I'm only on the second one,
but the first one you want to listen to

because her and Adrienne
go deep into the phone call.

They even play parts of the phone call
and in really foundational stuff.

So if you're a newer swiftie
definitely hit that one.

And then when we did talk about it
in the follow up, I had brought up

because K.J.

gave a story about like somebody
who's like, really wronged her.

She's like the only person I could
really think was like a friend who,

you know, tried to get with my man,
like, back in the day.

And she's like.

But, like, now I'm over it, so, like, I.

But I could see where, like, maybe
you're not over something from years ago.

And I was like, but here's the thing.

She wrote all of her or she rerecorded
all of her music recently.

So like, imagine

when your friend double crossed
you and like, tried to get with your man.

If you had like a diary or something
and then you were forced to go through

or you're forced to go through
all the old text messages and all the

all the things you wrote
it and go back to your Facebook and like,

see the post and see the photos
that were clues to the fact

that she was trying to get with your man.

You would get mad again, right?

And so that's where I do
think the rerecordings could be playing

a little bit into like the asylum of TTPD.

Is that like she's like now
in a very mature, grown up state,

not just looking back, but reliving
a lot of the things that she went through.

Well, and we

hadn't heard about it for a long time.

I to my knowledge,

I don't think Kim has ever done a personal
or a public apology for a long time.

Public. She's not done public.

I don't think she's done personally,
either.

I don't think so either. because.

And this is where Cassandra will come in.

So I don't want to get too far into it,
but Cassandra talks about how, I'm sorry.

Cassandra says when it's burn the bitch,
they're shrieking.

When the truth comes out, it's quiet.

So that I'll talk a little bit about how
that could relate to the phone call

scenario, where it's like,
the truth did come out in 2020.

And actually there's several tweets
and retweets that Kim made

when it came out, basically being like,
I don't know why she still cares,

which is like, not only is that
not an apology, that's actually worse.

Like, like now that you're being shown
is the wrong being, like, oh,

why does it matter? It's
very bullish behavior.

Like like mean girl high school

type thing of being like, well,
now that I'm being called out,

my ass is being shown, I'm

going to belittle your voice
and make it seem like you're crazy.

So again,
we'll get a little bit more into that.

And of course, the 2 Queens 2 Crowns
podcast episodes have that.

we got really into,
into the depths of that.

But, when it comes to Kim and
the apology, definitely nothing public.

And for those of you who don't know,

just a real quick
what happened with Kim and Taylor.

If you don't,
if you're listening right now

and you just you're like,
what the hell are you guys talking about?

Yeah, yeah.

So after 1989,
there's always been this thing, right?

With Kim, with Kanye and Taylor,
ever since he interrupted her on stage,

and they've tried to mend it
publicly, privately.

And then they'll go.

He'll go back and do something again
that just, you know.

So what he did was he called
Taylor and recorded.

Kim recorded the call, and
he had asked her about a lyric in a song.

I don't know if you're going
to talk about this at all in yours.

I'm not. No. Okay. Go ahead. You're good.

So he well to what Kanye did
basically was

he said, so is it okay if I say this
and he gives her the lyric,

but it's not the lyric
he ends up using, and Kim edits it

to say to look as if Taylor gave consent
to using the lyric.

And then after it came out, she's like,
this isn't what?

And then Kim uploads the edited phone
call.

Yeah.

So to clarify with the timeline too.

So the line is it's in the song famous.

It was in 2016 that was released.

It is,
me and Taylor Swift might have sex. Why?

Because I made that bitch famous. Okay.

And so that was the lyric.

And then Tree Paine came out and was like.

Or like I think Kanye said, like,
you know, Taylor approved it.

Tree Paine in a publication.

And, you know, PR came out and said,
that's not why he called.

That wasn't the purpose of the phone call.

The purpose was for Taylor to promote it,
which, when you listen to the full call,

definitely is true.

Taylor, went on the Grammy stage, won
the Grammy, and basically was like, don't

let other people take credit for your fame
because the song is called famous.

And he's saying,
because I made that bitch famous.

So she kind of clapped back
publicly and ominously, right.

Because some people are like, well,
what is she talking about?

and then the music video came out
which depicted her naked in a bed.

It was like a wax thing
and like Donald Trump and, like, there's

plenty of other figures that were depicted
naked in the music video.

and then, I think a month or so later,

that's when Kim released a phone call
and she released it on Snapchat.

So just a couple snaps of it.

But it was clear
that the sections that she chose were

only the ones that made
it look like the purpose of the phone

call was for the lyric, and that Taylor
approved it when the full phone

call came out in 2020,
almost four years later,

it's very clear that, like, sure,
he did ask.

He didn't tell her the whole lyric
by any means.

He did ask a little bit,
but he was weird about it.

And also she was clearly uncomfortable,
like very uncomfortable

with the entire phone call,
which to me is just even worse.

And that's where I think, you know,

she even said like after that,
she didn't want to pick up the phone.

She was like, afraid to,
you know, be on phone calls and stuff.

And I think that that's where it's like,
she just kind of got double crossed there.

Oh, definitely her paranoia.

I would be paranoid too, if.

Because right after that happened
that Kim released

the snippets was the hashtag
Taylor Swift as over party on Twitter,

and that canceled her
for a couple of years.

I mean, she went into hiding
for a whole year

when Kim tweeted, it's National Snake Day.

I think people were calling him
a rat like she.

The rat emoji was going after Kim.

So rats or snakes eat rats?

I think, is the whole concept
behind that.

So then she tweeted the National Snake Day
with like a ton of snake emojis.

And that's, I mean, really,
what birthed the snake imagery?

Cassandra? Cassandra talks about snakes.

So we'll get into that.

But the reputation having so much snake

imagery is very,
very much led by the Kim and Kanye drama.

It definitely. Oh my gosh. Yeah.

So that's what
that's what we're kind of referring to

when you maybe hear us
talk about the phone call in these,

that's
what we're referring to as the phone call.

so thank you.

aimee starts out when I picture
my hometown.

So like the I picture
keep that in in your mind

because I thought that was a very like
interesting lyric to for her

to say is picture instead of

when I think of my hometown or when
I go back to my hometown, you know,

I think the hometown that she's
thinking of is,

Hendersonville
and the Hendersonville High School.

I don't think she's thinking of Wyomissing
and Redding, Pennsylvania,

when she's referring to hometown.

I think she's referring to
when she moved to Nashville,

which she also calls her hometown. Yep.

So the bronzed spray tan statue of,
you know, my

my thing with this song is
I do think that it at, parts about Kim,

but I think at its core,
I think it's about someone in high school

that bullied her, and she's relating it
to kind of what happened with Kim

when she
says, bronze spray tan statue of you.

I mean, that's a perfect
like that's telling you, Kim.

Kim I mean, there was la
la would never be her hometown, right.

Like Los Angeles.

Yeah.

So like because if you thought about it
like, oh, she's talking about LA.

Like Kim Kardashian's all over,

I don't think there's literally a bronze
spray tan statue.

But yeah,

you know, but where the where
the spray tan statue was, came in.

Is that Kim
came under a lot of fire for over

bronzing herself with like, self-tanner.

That was some of those years and like,
had it come out and news articles

and I think that's like a just
a quick little lyric to let you know that.

Yeah, that's I'm talking about Kim
in this, in some of this at least.

so she kind of

goes, goes on to say like threatens
to push me down the stairs at our school.

So I'm thinking high school
because she did not have a great time

at Hendersonville High
like she was bullied.

She did not have many friends.

I think she had like 2 or 3 good friends.

And that was about it.

She was just starting her career
with debut, and

it was just
I think a lot of people were jealous.

So that probably
competitive environment to,

even if they didn't like to like wannabe
celebrity or whatever, they, you know,

especially because think about
when you were 16, if anyone in your high

school had a record contract with a brand
new record label in a music town,

like people were going to judge,
yeah, definitely.

So when she says, at that time
you were throwing punches

and I was building something, so throwing
punches I don't think was a physical.

It's just, you know, this person in high
school was trying

to, you know, just probably talking
shit things girls do in high school.

That happens to all of us.

High school, middle school
and high school is not a favorable time

for teenage girls.

It's just not like

I feel like everybody has a horror story
from middle school and high school.

At least one.

Even girls
that we consider really popular.

So when she says, and I can't forgive

the way you made me feel screamed
fuck you, Aimee to the night sky.

I fucking love this song, by the way
to it's a good car screaming song

as the blood was gushing.

But I can't forget the way
you made me heal.

So this is kind of like the Michael
Jordan effect.

Michael Jordan is obviously the Goat.

He's the best it you know his game.

And if you watch his documentary,
he talks about how

the only thing that ever made him
better was when people doubted him

or when people through the punches
and he would.

Yeah. So I think she's the same way.

She's the same type of genius
that it's it does help her get better.

That did that did give her,
you know, that extra push.

But yeah. So

and it wasn't a fair fight
or a clean kill.

Each time that Aimee stomped
across my grave, when she pulls up

the word grave, I just think of reputation
and coming out of the grave.

So here's a good,
I think, a good example of where

Taylor does a song
about two different people

or two different entities,
and combines it into one song.

So it's it's complicated.

It's not like just about Kim.

It's not just about one thing
or one time in her life or one incident.

And then she wrote headlines

in the local paper
laughing at each baby step I take.

I feel like that goes back to the Aimee
in high school.

Oh see Kim writes headlines.

So she reads headlines.

Oh yeah. Yeah, oh yeah.

They plant stories all the fucking time.

They, on the media all the time.

Yeah, yeah.

But I'm also wondering what caught my ear.

And that's true.

But like, I'm
also wondering the local paper.

I wonder if this girl works for the paper
in Tennessee,

the Tennessean,
or if she was working on the school paper.

That's what I was thinking.

Oh, yeah, because it's Nashville.

I'm thinking like,
where I grew up, there's no local paper.

I mean, I mean, there is, but, you know,
nobody would be writing

about high school or in it, but yeah,
maybe since she got that record deal.

Oh, we need to, like,
do we need to dig into the archives?

Yeah.

Like local Henderson, newspapers.

That's an interesting call out.

Well, I when I think local again,
LA is not her hometown, but like.

Is TMZ a local paper?
I guess not literally.

I think she means local to Hendersonville,
and I think she could even mean

the high school newspaper
if there's a high school newspaper.

I was on the high school
newspaper in high school.

So if you have a big enough high school,
you'll have a high school newspaper.

And I think there is something
to look into because that definitely

like caught my attention
that this is not about one person.

I find the passage really interesting
where she says,

I wrote a thousand songs
that you find uncool.

I built a legacy that you can't undo,
but when I count the scars, there's

a moment of truth that there wouldn't
be all this if there hadn't been you.

And that's kind of to these haters,
you know?

Like, it makes me better.

Like that
kind of competition makes me better.

And maybe you've reframed it.

So this goes back to the picture
that I said keep in your mind from line.

Like the first line in the song.

Ooh yeah I like that

taking it down in here
and maybe reframed it.

And in your mind you never beat my spirit.

Black and blue.

There's a reason she use those colors too.

And I looked up
Hendersonville High's colors.

And that's not the colors,
but it's like gold and black, I think.

But black and blue has been a big it's
been a big theme leading into TTPD.

Remember how people thought
like of the double people?

Remember those crazy people
who thought there's a double 1989 album?

And there one would be Black
and one would be Blue?

Us. me? us?

Yeah, and I still think it exists. Maybe.

I know I'm still crazy.
We should count.

We should count how many episodes because

Emmy and

I brought it up last week.
how many episodes have I mentioned?

Or you mentioned the double 1989 girl.

It's the asylum where she raised
us, and I'm blaming it on her now.

we love you, Taylor.

I don't think you've changed much.

And so I changed your name
and any real defining clues.

This is a really interesting line,
because she did not change

any defining clues in this song about Kim.

They're very obvious.

Well, to me, that's
where it's like the red herring of it all.

And a lot of people have been saying

social, like, maybe it's about
Karlie or somebody else.

And I'm like, well, okay.

But like, I'm my thought is if it's not
about Kim, then she's saying I changed.

I need define
or like I removed any defining clues.

So she's almost saying gotcha.

I know it says Kim in the title,
but maybe it's not about Kim.

So yeah, I could see
it's kind of confusing, see,

because I don't think she would do that
though I if her and Kim really like

mended fences in a way,
or like she didn't want to pull Kim in

at anything anymore,
she wouldn't have capitalized a Kim

like there's no I don't yeah, I
don't think her and Kim are on good terms.

I'm just saying,
I don't know that the song is about Kim,

and maybe she's just using Kim
as an easy out.

And again, you're right, there are lyrics
that are definitely about her.

But, the fact that if she didn't say

I changed any defining clues, I'd be like,
yeah, this is clearly Kim Kardashian.

But she's placing doubt by saying that
because she did give us defining clues.

So she maybe is telling us
it's more than you think.

Yeah.

So then the next line,
and one day your head comes home

singing a song that only us two is

going to know is about you. So

if you guys

remember, when was it like a year
or two ago when North West,

who's Kim's daughter, was singing
Shake It Off, on her TikTok.

So I think here's
what I think is going on.

That's what happened.

Like her kid came home singing a song.

But Shake It Off

isn't about Kim because the Kim Kim
drama happened after 1989, right?

I think Shake
It Off was written possibly about this.

Amy from high school
and has some clues in there.

Okay. You think? Shake it off.

Wait. Hold on, shake it off.

Not about the high school girl.

Oh, maybe it is. You're right. Yeah.

I don't know if it's fully about her,
but I think that it's.

I think that it's got some.

I think that that is how she tied this
all together.

Like, I think that
because there a song out there.

Can I interrupt?

Yeah.

What if the song that is about her
that nobody's going to know

is in that vault for debut?

If you're thinking
this is someone from high school

because like we just talked about
when I was mentioning when I was on KJ's

episode, about what
it would feel like to go back in

and relive
all these different moments of her life

and maybe if this is about somebody
from high school,

it's coming out of her reliving
and the debut album.

I wonder what the Vault
is going to look like,

but there may be some nasty songs
about girls in high school.

There definitely could be. And there was.

Was this edit aired,

or was there an actual picture of,
like, Taylor standing against a wall

and like the spelling of Aimee
being behind her in this correct spelling?

There is a picture
floating around of that, and it's

I don't know
if it's from like the fearless era

or debut era or speak
now it's around one of those.

She's leaning against the wall.

It looks kind of like graffiti,
and there's like names of people,

and Aimee is on there
and it's spelled how she spells it here.

I never saw anything like that.

Yeah, I don't know.
I'll look into that some more.

Well, before I move on, before
we move on to the next course, the chorus.

one thing that you talked about was,
and maybe you reframed it in your mind.

You never beat my spirit, black and blue.

To me, that's like
if it was about somebody from high school.

If we're going with

that kind of narrative, then
that person may have done an interview

or gone on social media and been like,
oh my gosh, I went to high school

with Taylor Swift and like talked
positively about the experience.

And maybe she's like,
this is the bitch who bullied me.

What right.

Yeah, I think it could be I think that
I think if you did enough digging,

you probably figure out who
this girl would be.

But like she said, I think that she did
change any real defining clues.

Maybe for her, except for
maybe the people in high school

and her who are
going to know that it was her.

There's something to

the fact that this just isn't about Kim,
you know.

Okay.

So all the time you were throwing punches
it was all for nothing.

And our town,
it looks so small from way up here.

So she's saying
like she's in the fucking galaxy now.

Like she's a huge star
and she's looking down

and that little town
is pretty small from up there.

And like, I don't know, it's
the slap in the face like, yeah

I don't know kind of to call back to like,
thank you, not thank you John. Dear John

It's like,
you know like one day I'll be shining

like fireworks over your hometown
or small town.

Yeah. She says that in Dear John.
Over yours.

Yeah. What is the lyric.

What would an episode
be complete without us singing this out?

Shining.
Deaaar

John
shining like fireworks over.

your sad little town.

Sad little town.

I took your matches before
fire could catch me.

So don't look now I'm

shining like fireworks over your sad,
empty town.

Yeah. That's okay.

Yeah. It's not little, it's empty.

But yeah. Same thing. Yeah. Okay, okay.

That's good. Okay. Good to know.

So yeah, it's kind of like a call
I don't know.

I just think that there's
definitely a callback

to someone other than Kim in this.

And she's going to know
once either the song is out

and she knows or the song is coming out,
and then she's going to know

it's about her and we won't.

Because, you know, I don't think, well,

I just like I just kind of like the hopes
that like, debut's vault tracks

are going to be messy and immature
in the most petty way.

Like, please, Taylor, get this one.

I would love to burn,
you know, like picture to burn.

And even better than revenge
before she took the last line out.

Do you, belie-? Okay, so did we even talk?

We didn't
even talk about the mattress line

and that we need to address that.

Do you think that was a good thing
to change?

I don't really care, to be honest.

Like, it's one of those things
where I'm like,

I get
why it should not have been there to begin

with, but I think the act of changing
it is a little dramatic.

you know,

it's like it's like when,
you know, Taylor

Swift, like, didn't show her belly button
and she only shows her midriff.

And she's like,
she's like, only sexy to like, a line.

It's like, I feel like that's like,
not that risque to be like,

she's better known
for the things she does on the mattress.

I guess she's calling another girl slut.

That's not good. But look at rap music.

And, you know, she already said it
like it's already there.

She already said it.

I don't know, I don't think she should
change the line because she was.

I mean, everyone's
fucking immature back then

and she's going back and redoing our work,
but I think she wanted it.

She didn't want a big,
you know, show of anything either.

You know, kind of like, yeah.

Although I do think she should. In debut,

She changed the line when she said,
I told all my friends you were gay.

And she said, and now it's like,
I just want to say, like she.

She changed it up. But

I do think that should have been changed.

I think that was a smart move because
that was very much during the time.

Calling other people

gay in a derogatory way
was kind of like what high schoolers did.

I hope they don't still do it.
Oh yeah

But, I do appreciate that.

that

But like, I changed with the original.

Like, I think there's, like,

some versions that are out, like, it's
not like it went ten years.

And then she was like,
no, this isn't cool anymore, right?

Right, right.

Yeah. She she caught that early on. So.

Well, okay.

In here, what do you think of the lines

Everyone knows that
my mother is a saintly woman,

but she used to say
she wished that you were dead.

I don't know how I feel about it.

I think it's pretty fucking bold.

Like, I don't dislike it.

I don't like it's not like,
you know, my rage song.

I'm like, yeah, she wish you were dead.

It's just, like, kind of shocking.

I mean, she is a saintly woman.

And, you know, my mom might have said
some crazy shit about people.

I don't think she's ever wished
anybody who's treated me poorly dead.

But I don't think anyone's treated me

the way that Taylor's been treated
by some of her enemies.

Yeah, true. That's true.

Yeah.

It was like that was.

That's the word for it is like shocking.

But that's what she wanted probably. Yeah.

So going back to the verse

so I pushed you to Boulder up that hill
which that means something.

And I don't know
what it is yet. The boulder

pushed each boulder up that hill.

Yeah. It's a, it's a metaphor right.

For like something heavy
that you carry the weight of it.

But Boulder means something like there's.

Yeah, I almost am questioning
if it's like, like,

you know how she talks about castles
and bricks?

I every brick you threw at me,
I built a castle.

So, like, kind of like that.

Then maybe the boulder is like creating
the wall around the castle.

I don't know,

I might need to look something up or
if any of our viewers have anything, leave

us comments on YouTube

because it makes me question
if there's more of, like, a story

or like a historical reference
of pushing a boulder,

or like if the name of the paper
was like the boulder

or like the a school mascot
or like it's a town or something

is where my my, my mind went
because Boulder's such a a different

when these when she uses certain words
they just red flag to me.

They just stick out like that
means something else.

Maybe she was building.

Maybe she was building Stonehenge.

I'm just kidding.

That's the only you know. Why did you.

When's the last time
you thought about Stonehenge?

Stonehenge?

The last time was that movie that.

What is it?

Oh, my God, it's like a parody movie.

Oh, I don't know. I don't watch movies.

What is it, Eric?
What's that? All the time?

it's like about a band
and they're just like.

It's.

It's a whole parody movie
about this British rock band.

And they're like, oh, I need to know.

Now hold on.

Is Eric home?
Our listeners need to know

Yeah, let's call him up.

Call him.

Let's just.

What if we just called Eric up?

What if we just called Eric up?

He's. I'm calling him from upstairs.

He's downstairs.
Guys? Yes. We don't live apart.

Oh, hey.

Okay, you're on the air right now.

What is the movie I'm thinking of?

Where? It's a parody of a rock band.

And they say Stonehenge. Spinal Tap.

And the second thing

our viewers need to know is,
what do you quote about the candy shop?

And I need you to do it in the Voice.

Jeff Beck

Jeff Beck pops his head in, says there's
a little sweet shop on the edge of town.

So we go and it's closed.

Instead of a God dog,
they've got this great big

bloody Bengal tiger.

we had to get a hundred brown.

M&Ms and.

Ozzy wouldn't go on stage.

I don't know, all right, that's good,

said the God Dog.

They've got this great, deep,
bloody place.

Is he still doing it in the background.

Yeah,
take out the tiger with a can of rice.

But the shopkeeper
had a son of a different story altogether.

I had to beat them to death
with their own shoes.

Nasty business. Really.

But we got the brown M&Ms and Ozzy

went on stage and did a great show.

Yeah.

See, he's reciting all that from memory
about Spinal Tap.

Okay.
Thank you. That's what I needed to know.

With a can of mace.

But the shopkeeper.

So that's. That's Spinal
Tap, that's Wayne's World. Oh,

yeah.

So this is this is two different things.

That was, the roadie from Wayne's World.

Okay. Wayne's world two, I believe.

And Spinal Tap
is a totally different movie.

But also, why did we.

Okay, we're keeping the Wayne's
World thing in for sure.

All right. Thank you.

All right.

Oh, my God, that's hilarious.

Why is it quote Wayne's world?

Because you just.

You were like, what?

The thing you always quote.

And he, like, was
he didn't think it was related

to the answer to the first question.

He just gave you what he always quotes.

He just knows me.

He just knows what quote

I needed at that time because he quotes
so many different things all the time.

He quotes Home Alone one and two.

He quotes.

But these long dialogs
he'll quote and just yeah,

just like it's not like a one liner
shout out to Eric.

So anyway, apparently
Stonehenge is in the movie Spinal Tap.

Yeah, they say Stonehenge I don't know.

Yeah. Got it, got it. Okay.

So yeah,
it's it's a bunch of ancient stones

that are in a big circle
and nobody knows how they got there.

And so when I, when you talked
about pushing a boulder up a hill,

that's where my brain went.

Obviously Taylor's
not actually saying about Stonehenge,

but if you guys are unhinged enough, maybe
you can come up with the theory for us.

Yeah.

Hope you liked that little sidebar tour,

All right, what else?

We thanK you aIMee is there anything else?

The only thing I have left on.

thanK you aIMee, is the call back to Kim
in the very last verse where she says,

your words were still just ringing
in my head, ringing in my head.

So ringing like a phone.

Like a phone call.

So that's where she's calling back again
to the phone call.

And that's the last lines before.
Thank you Amy.

Thank you Amy. She says it twice.

So I think she says it to Kim and I think
she says it to this high school bully.

Ooh, I like that.

that's my analysis, guys.

So have you looked at the lyrics

and thought, like,
maybe it's like every other line?

It may.

I did not think about that.

I could because it starts with hometown
and the whole back and forth.

Yeah, that's something
our viewers can look at it.

We won't spend time on that.

But maybe thinking of the lyrics

in that way, maybe she braids it
in, right, like every other line.

all right.

Great. Well,
should we move on to Cassandra then?

Yeah, let's do it.

Cassandra, where do I even start?

Okay, so I personally have been
very interested in a lot of the drama

that's been unfolding in the music
industry specifically.

So anything that I speak about,
I just want to say is alleged,

especially when it comes to like, things
about the Kardashians.

P Diddy,
you know, the Jenners, there's there's

going to be a lot that I just kind of
maybe brush on.

So I just want to make sure
holistically I say alleged.

and I'll try and sprinkle it in
for you guys.

but there has been
interesting developments.

And if we go back to
when Taylor's masters were sold,

if you guys have not listened
to all four parts of our Masters series,

it's actually kind of four and a half

because there is an episode that I did
solo and I did cover the UMG sale.

I'm sorry, the UMG deal that Scooter Braun
did with his company, Hybe.

And so if you do not have
all that history, I definitely recommend

even after this,
like starting back on that,

because there's something happening
in the music industry.

And I think Taylor in this song

is calling out
that she was the one who first started.

They wanted to kill Cassandra first

because she feared the worst
and tried to tell the town, okay.

And I think I'll oh yeah,

I didn't know who Cassandra was because.

So Cassandra is actually a Greek
mythological character in Greek mythology.

Actually, let me look that up real quick
and just make sure. Is it?

Taylor though in the song is Taylor,
is Cassandra Taylor?

Is Cassandra in my head?

Okay, that makes sense. Yep.

And so this is why I was like,
you've slept on this song?

Because I really do
think it's about the industry.

I actually think it could specifically
be about scooter.

because,
well, we'll get into that in a second.

But Cassandra in Greek
mythology, was a Trojan priestess

dedicated to the god of Apollo
and fated by him to utter

true prophecies but never to be believed.

Okay, so in the modern usage of her name
is employed in a rhetorical device

to indicate a person
whose accurate prophecy indicate a person

who's accurate prophecies, generally
of impending disaster, are not believed.

Okay,

so Cassandra is calling out
what's about to happen.

Nobody's believing her.

And so the idea is
that they killed Cassandra.

I actually think she might have been
killed in, like, Greek mythology, too.

There's plenty of videos on TikTok.
If you look it up.

I'm sure plenty of people have done
deep dives.

I personally haven't really deep dive
into the Cassandra side of it.

but if you want more,
I'm sure there's got to be

there's got to be creators
who've done that.

okay.

So knowing that in the industry.

So scooter bought the masters from Scott

Borchetta through the sale of Big
Machine Records in 2019.

There was a lot of kind of public
pissing and moaning between both camps.

Right.

We went through that in the, in the
the whole part series.

Like literally Jessi reads off
all the statements.

Okay.

And I want to mention that

because we're going to talk about
some of it in the song.

and then we had basically last

fall in 2023,
where all of Scooter's artists

that had been signed to his manager
kind of had a mass exodus.

Right? They all were announced
that they were leaving.

Justin Bieber is still allegedly
maybe tied to scooter.

And I will touch on that.

but I do think that
there is a bigger picture thing happening

in the music industry right now
that we have yet to uncover fully.

I think Diddy is the canary
in the coal mine to all of it.

He's kind of the first to fall.

But in the canary in the coal mine analogy
is that, you know, they have canaries

literally in the coal mine.

And if Canary died, they knew, uh oh,
the air is not good.

So everyone needs to evacuate. Right?

So he's, you know, he's the first
to kind of show like the air is not good.

Okay.

So Kris Jenner,
there is a deep dive that I recommend

for people who are really into this
by a creator called Bekah Day

@bekahdayy

She does a ton of like,
pop culture stuff.

Not necessarily Taylor,
but pop culture deep dives.

And I just watched a deep dive of Kris
Jenner.

It's one of her playlist, the other day,
and she talks about

just kind of the history
of the Kardashian family,

not necessarily
like how it's tied to Taylor in any way.

But I think if you're interested

in this industry stuff,
that's a good kind of resource

because it's a very long playlist
and a lot of good content.

But I just think that there's
going to be more

that kind of gets brought to light
surrounding how the music industry

is intertwined,
how the Kardashian family is allegedly

part of what's happening with Diddy
and the sex trafficking of women

and the even men, you know, Justin Bieber.

I fully am convicted that he is a victim
in this industry.

I it's funny because he was kind of part
of some of the bullying of Taylor

back in 2016.
He posted that post Instagram.

Hey Taylor what's up?

And he was like with Scooter
and Kanye and FaceTime but

he was brought in.

He was 15 years old.

He made a video I think when he was like
13 actually on YouTube.

Scooter Braun, Scooter Braun,
the kind of Devil of Taylor story

found Justin Bieber on YouTube,

flew him and his mom from Canada
to Georgia.

Atlanta, Georgia had him meet with Justin
Timberlake and Usher.

He ended up signing a deal
with Justin Bieber with Usher and Scooter.

They made a record label
specifically for Justin called

Raymond
Braun Productions or Braun Raymond.

You guys can look it up.

It's, it's just their last names.

And to this day, Justin is the only artist

to have ever signed with that label,
which is fucking weird.

That's weird.

It's kind of.

It gives me, like, conservatorship vibes.

so that's where when the
whole exodus happened

and nobody really knows if Justin is not
with scooter anymore or if he is.

None of those other artists
were under a label with him.

They were only signed to his management,

so they might have had a little bit
more liberty to leave.

I think contractually, somehow
Justin is still tied to scooter,

but I think that personally
and professionally he has obviously

distanced himself from Scooter Braun
or he would have made a statement

because I think I mean, Justin,
I think he knows what's going down

and all this too.

And he's obviously like,
could be a victim of it himself.

yeah.

There's been several videos of him
with Diddy or photos

and stuff with him with Diddy
that came out.

He wrote that song lonely.

If you guys have not listened to Justin
Bieber's

Lonely Song,
I was not really that into his music.

I'm still not really, to be honest.

It's a little too pop ish for me,
but lonely, he sings that like,

you know, what would you
do if you had it all and nobody to call?

That's just fucking lonely
because I've had everything

and no one's listening and I'm
so fucking lonely is what he's singing.

And so I did a couple videos on this
on my TikTok, just kind of talking

about how he's been leaving cryptic
clues in music videos and stuff like that.

So I think that, as it kind of ties
to the Diddy of it all and, you know,

obviously, he, he's got a relationship
too, with the Kardashians.

There's actually an episode
of Keeping With the Kardashians where,

when Justin was, oh, gosh,
he was underage.

I think he was like 14 or 15,
maybe 15 or 16.

He did a photo shoot with or with Kim
when she was 29, and they did like,

there was like a sexy theme, like Mrs.

Robinson where, like, he was
a photographer and she was in lingerie,

and then she's in the kitchen with her mom
and one of her sisters

talking about Justin and being like,
oh, I wish he was 18.

I can't wait till he's 18.

And yeah, yeah, like
look it up on YouTube.

It's it's actually disgusting.

And that's where I'm like like again, I'm
not I'm not saying

that they've done anything illegal,
but the evidence is out there

that there's definitely weird shit
in the industry with this whole group.

And so when I talk about it,
when I finally get to Cassandra here, I'm

going to talk a little bit about that,
because I do think that some of

what she's talking about
might be the sale of her masters

and her trying to bring attention
to what's happening in the industry.

Further,
you have a sexual harassment lawsuit

that Kesha filed against her producer,
Doctor Luke.

I think his name was Taylor,
gave Kesha $250,000 to fight that lawsuit.

So she has this,
you know, friend or at least,

you know, peer in the industry
that she has watched

be allegedly raped.

R-worded whatever we want to call it.

And, you know, helped her
go after that, man.

So when we talk about Cassandra was trying
to tell everyone what's happening.

Okay.

That's my that's my kind of sidebar. Okay.

Are we ready for some lyrics? Yeah.

That's interesting.

Yeah.

Okay, so she says I was in my new house
placing daydreams.

I think that's where I start to think this
might be about the scale of the record,

because she would have been with her

new record label in 2019
when the, masters were sold.

So she was in her new house, placing
none other than daydreams.

Okay, I was just thinking that, like,
placing daydreams like,

that doesn't sound like
she was just daydreaming.

That sounds like I was placing daydreams.

The album, the company, the something.

Well, look at what it.

What if daydreams is a record
label or dream

because you have all these dream theories.

Yeah, I have a whole thing. Yeah.
I didn't even think about that.

That should have caught my attention
right there. Just.

But with oh my God.

Okay, okay.

So I was in my new house
placing daydreams, patching up the crack

along the wall.

So again, she just broke through with it.

She just broke up with Big Machine
Records.

She's probably trying to just
build her new house right?

I pass it and lose track of what

I'm saying because that's where I was
when I got the call.

Initially.

When I listen to this,
I thought the call was the Kanye call,

but now I'm questioning if it has to do
with her finding out about the Masters.

Or maybe it is both like me.

We talked on Aimee.

Maybe there's two kind of things happening
here.

Two times that she was Cassandra,

where they tried to kill her
because she was trying to tell the truth.

so I kind of think
that's a double meaning.

The only reason why
I think it's more about the Masters

is because in a later verse,
instead of saying, when I got the call,

she said, that's where I was
when I lost it all,

which I think is clearly
about the loss of the Masters.

Okay.

So the pre-chorus is when the first stones
thrown, there's screaming

in the streets, there's a raging riot
when it's burn the bitch,

they're shrieking
when the truth comes out.

It's quiet.

First time I heard this
I thought about the phone call with Kanye.

Right.

Because everyone was saying
burn the bitch.

And they were shrieking that summer,
and then when the phone call came out,

wasn't that much noise around it, right?

People weren't, you know.

But then I think about

if if there is something
allegedly with scooter

and obviously there's been smoke,
but we don't know what the fire is.

But he had all of his artists leave
and I'll speak about this in later lyrics

about how she talks about people
being quiet and,

you know, blood's thick
but nothing like a payroll.

It makes me wonder

if she's pointing at like, Demi and Ariana
and Justin and is like,

everyone was shrieking and now it's like
you kind of y'all, y'all did your thing.

But it was quiet
whenever you found out the truth.

Okay, so they killed Cassandra

first because she feared the worst
and tried to tell the town.

So they filled my cell with snakes
and I regret to say do you believe me now.

So snakes is obviously Rep(ie) you know.

So again I'm
like maybe this is like a holistic picture

of what happened to her,
not just about the Masters, but

being like
they tried to take her down in 2016.

Then scooter brought her
because scooter was part of the 2016 shit.

He was the manager of Kanye during that
video and during all of that drama,

he managed Justin Bieber
like he was very much

tied into a lot of the people
who were bullying her.

So like, that could have been the initial
trying to take down

and then buying her Masters
was like another follow up.

He's been he's literally been trying
to take her down since the very beginning.

I mean, it's even started with the prank.

I mean like it's awful.

Like I just
that man has not there's no good story

that I've ever heard about him. No.

Literally nothing.

yeah.

And I love how she says, I regret to say
do you believe me now.

Like to me that's where I'm like, again,
if it's just about the phone call, like,

she could be talking to us and me, like,
yeah, do you guys believe me or not?

Just us, but maybe people
who hated it on her.

Like the phone call came out.

Everyone's quiet, do you.

Like,I hate to say,
but do you believe me?

I feel like it's more like,
vindictive than that.

Like, I,
I just feel like there's more to it than.

This is not just
about the phone call, right?

Yeah.

I was in my tower weaving nightmares,

twisting all my smiles and just snarls.

And I love that line because it reminds me
of the delicate music

video
twisting all my snail smiles into snarls.

So again, kind of coming back to rap,
which came out in reaction

to a lot of this shit.

Then they say, what doesn't kill
you makes you aware.

But what happens if when it becomes
who you are?

Which again, it's like they like

what became is like reputation
like like this drama became who she was

more than just like, oh, it made her aware
to be more careful in the future.

I love that line. What doesn't kill you?

Instead of saying what doesn't kill
you makes you stronger,

which is what the normal line is,
she says.

What doesn't kill you makes you aware
which is so much more truthful,

like it makes you more alert,
it makes you wiser, it makes you more

aware of your surroundings
and better for the next time.

Something were to happen.

Yeah, which is a strength.

But it's not just like it's a much better,
descriptive

word for that kind of strength
that comes out of it.

Yep.

so again the chorus then plays
they kill Cassandra first,

even though she feared the worst
and tried to tell the town.

So then there's a bridge.

She says they knew,

they knew, they knew the whole time.

Kind of coming back to your thanK you aIMe
approach of saying how she said

thank you, Aimee. Twice. I almost wonder
if when she says they knew, they knew.

They knew.

She's talking about

three different sets of people
or three different people individually.

Yeah, three different situations,
possibly.

Yeah.

so she goes, they knew. They knew.

They knew the whole time
that I was on to something.

The family,
the pure greed, the Christian Chorus line.

Yeah. You know who that's about, right?

I mean that to me when I hear that

the family Kardashians,

the, greed
and then the Christian component.

Doesn't Kris Jenner own
a church and runs her funds through there?

Yes, that's what she does.

Yeah, she does it again.

Fuck.

It's shady.

The Bekah Day on TikTok.

Her deep dive covers a little bit of that
if you want to touch of that.

The other thing I think of
is the Hillsong Church of it all.

That kind of was around that time
where and Hillsong Church is big.

It started in Australia,
I think, but like the celebrity

of Hillsong
became a big thing back in like the point.

I think it was really like
2014, 2015, 2016 of I'm thinking clearly

and like Justin Bieber went to Hillsong
and there's a whole documentary about it

and kind of fucked, yeah, which
I was thinking that was Kanye's church.

But no, that's it.
Doesn't he have something different?

He didn't. I'm not sure.

Kind of on

he held like these Sunday circles
and everyone go

and they were all like dressed in white

and stuff when he was married to Kim
and he would preach and talk weird.

Well, I mean, there's I mean,
if it's not related to Hillsong, it's

another layer of the use of religion
and stuff like that.

And yeah, I when I heard the family,
I thought the Kardashian, the pure greed,

the Christian Chorus line, it's just wild.

If you guys have any thoughts on
that as well.

It's like, maybe there's another like
because I think Chorus Line too.

I'm like, that's it's different
to say the church or something, but

yeah, it's like multiple entities.

Yeah.

And you know, as much as we say,
okay, well,

you know, Kris Kardashian had a church
and, and funneled funds through it, like

I think the I pretty sure again,
this is alleged

and I haven't triple checked the facts
that I've heard.

but I'm pretty sure like,
there was like a membership fee,

but then you got it back
at the end of the year.

And so then it was like,
is that like funnel?

Like, you know, I mean, because
then you could say that, okay, I donated,

let's say $15,000 this year to a church
and you write it off on your taxes,

but at the end of the year
you actually get it back.

So it's not really a donation.

Like there's

just like silly
kind of weird stuff with that

that make it seem like
there's something suspicious.

But maybe the family,
the pure greed in the Christian line

could also be three
different references, right?

It might not just be one person,
it might just be, a chance

that, you know, the Kardashians
could fit more than one of these.

okay.

So again, kind of before that,
she said they knew.

They knew the whole time.
So after she talks about the Christian

choir line,
she said they all said nothing.

Bloods thick, but nothing like a payroll.

so again, family payroll.

I think about nothing like a payroll.

I think about all the other celebrities
that were under Scooter's management,

like people are.

People are not going to speak up.

but they never spared a prayer
for my soul.

She says in that same bridge,
you can mark my words

that I said it first in a mourning warning

No one heard in this lyric
that I pulled is from that genius.com,

and I'm just realizing that it's mourning,
like mourning the death of something

not not early like day morning.

I heard warning I heard is like morning
as in the time of day.

Like that's how I always took it,
which could be a double meaning

and it
could just be a typo by the genius.com.

So we might just need to double
check that.

If you guys are interested, definitely
go to like Spotify or Apple Music and see.

Or do you want to check out real quick?

Yeah, let me check it.

That's really interesting

because that could that's definitely
probably a double meaning.

Oh my gosh, maybe

in a mourning warning
it's Mounring like, yeah

if they killed Cassandra, it's like
after she was, you know, killed there.

You know, hypothetically
does the same mourning in that way.

Yeah. Mourning.

Like grieving. Yeah.

But I think yeah. Yeah.

okay.

So in verse three she says,
I patched up the crack along the wall,

I passed it and lot
I pass it and lose track of what

I'm saying because that's where I was
when I lost it all.

So again, it's kind of calling back
to that first verse where she says, that's

where I was when I got the call.

So again,
the loss of the master's potentially.

So they killed Cassandra first,
even though she feared the worst

and tried to tell the town.

So then after the chorus, she said,
she says I was on to something,

but they all said nothing.

Okay, again,
I'm thinking Ariana and Demi and all the.

Or maybe it's just people in the industry.

You think about the Doctor
Luke lawsuit with Kesha.

Maybe she's not pointing at other artists,
but pointing at people who worked

with her because she says blood's thick,
but nothing like a payroll.

Who else in this industry is aware
of all this shit that's about to come out?

Allegedly.

And she's saying, I was on to something
and they all said nothing.

It's corrupt. Something's going on.

Yeah.

And she follows that up with again
the blood thick

but nothing like a payroll.

They never spared a prayer for my soul.

You can mark my words that I said it first
and then a mourning warning.

No one heard.

No one heard not a single word was heard.

and then at the very end,
she just repeats the.

When the first stone thrown,
they're screaming in the streets

a raging riot when it's burn the bitch,
they're shrieking.

When the truth comes out,
it's quiet, it's so quiet.

That reminds me, too, of,
like, burning all the witches.

Even if you aren't one.

Yep. Reputation.

I didn't write that down, but yeah,
that's the that's the call out there.

And then even
I feel like in TTPD with, like

the imagery of levitating
from the gallows and stuff.

It's it's the I'm a witch imagery
which we.

Yeah, which we embrace now
because of Taylor.

I think she's made it
kind of clever with even Willow

and all this imagery
on tour about her being a witch.

yeah, I love it, I love it.

I know, that's why I love Cassandra.

I feel like it's one that is, to me,
very clear about the Masters.

So ahead of this, album release,
Jessi and I just.

Jessi just one day was like,
hey, I think I want to talk

about the sale of the Masters.

I think I have, like an episode
or two worth of notes,

and then it turned into
like a four part series,

and it was so serendipitous
because it really is good

for us to deep dive that for you guys.

But also, I came into TTPD expecting

references to the masters in the sale,

and I think that Cassandra is the one song
that I could definitely say is,

yeah, that is that
is that should have caught my attention.

But I think by the time I get to that
part of the album, I my mind is shut down.

So lately I've been listening
to the album on shuffle just so that I get

a better sense of like some of the songs,
because like I said before, my I, it has

taken me a very long time to process TTPD
and I'm still processing it.

Yeah, well, that's why we chose Clara Bow.

thanK you aIMee and Cassandra,
as some of our early ones

to analyze for you guys,
because we got it.

We need more time before we need more clue

to understand
before we get to the Matty of it all.

Exactly. Exactly.

Or even like, you know, some of the ones
that, are political.

You know, I was talking to you about that
last night with I think I hate it.

Here is a political song.

You know, Florida, we're starting to kind
of piece together may just literally be.

I mean, I think there's some pieces of it

where there's clearly a death
that happens in Florida, a murder.

Yeah.

actually, I think we need to do Florida

definitely soon, and I maybe next time,
but definitely soon.

and I think, if you guys

comment in our comments on YouTube
and let us know what songs

you want to hear us analyze
or dig into further and we'll do it.

So. Yep. Absolutely.

All right.

Well, we are at time now.

So I think that really wraps it for today.

guys, don't forget to make sure
you are subscribed to our YouTube.

We are so close to a thousand followers.

and then next week we will come back.

We'll talk about the shows in Lisbon,
which are probably happening right now

as as you're listening to this,
unless you're maybe a week or two behind.

But, we'll cover the recap of that
and then maybe another song or two

of analysis and we never know with Taylor,
something may completely drop.

I will say Thursday night is a Sagittarius
full moon.

By the time you listen to this,

we'll know if that meant anything
that's in Sagittarius is a very big theme.

Moons are a theme.

Friday adds up to 11.

Don't worry guys,
I've already thought about it in my head.

But by the time you listen to this,
you'll know if I'm a clown or not.

So without further ado,
we appreciate you guys.

Thank you for always coming back.

We love you as listeners
and we will see you next week. Bye.